00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:04 that;s the tag I used 00:01:06 !tell |amethyst What do you think about making a 0.17.1-1 tag and rebuilding windows/linux packages based on that? I'm concerned that if we leave them as-is, we'll get crashes due to that bad cherry-pick I made 00:01:06 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 00:01:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:01:42 !tell |amethyst And if I don't make a tag and rebuild, they'll have an alpha version string and outside package maintainers won't know to build that version 00:01:43 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 00:02:04 !tell |amethsyt s/and rebuild// 00:02:05 Sorry gammafunk, I don't know who |amethsyt is. 00:02:13 !tell |amethyst s/and rebuild// 00:02:13 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 00:02:40 geekosaur: yeah, It seems reasonable to me, but I wanted to appeal to a higher authority 00:02:58 fr: starting classes based on dev roles 00:03:48 Artist (Ar), Vault Maker (VM), Admin (Ad), Patch Executioner (PE), Code Guru (CG), ... 00:04:25 * Grunt gestures. The debugging ray hits gammafunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:04:31 * geekosaur adds that to the notes for the git crawl : patch soup he's never going to do 00:05:27 Content Remover 00:05:56 MPA is content to remove content 00:06:12 CanOfWorms: I like just "Remover (Re)" 00:06:16 it seems epic enough 00:07:27 oh yeah and Grunt reminds me, we could have: Debugger (De), Merger (Me), Game Designer (GD) 00:07:46 btw the tavern edit-your-profile page made me chuckle. it offers to let you fill in your favorite combo, and suggests MfCr as an example 00:07:47 in devsprint these will be the roles you can choose from 00:07:52 hah 00:08:01 well maybe that's still your favorite! 00:08:47 how many of them are still MDCr-s at heart? 00:09:02 !wtf --cr 00:09:03 Crusader* 00:09:06 ah 00:09:11 before my time 00:09:43 I think Rupert is all that's left of them 00:09:47 !lm mdcr x=v 00:09:48 No milestones for mdcr. 00:09:51 rupert is a crusader? 00:09:56 not any more 00:10:00 !lm * mdcr x=v 00:10:11 but that's why 00:10:15 rupert?? 00:10:15 Not a crusader. Will "look more energetic" 2 turns after his berserk wears off (and promptly zerk again). Spells: paralyse, confuse, berserker rage. Is generated with a good two-handed weapon. For laughs, watch: "!lg * mfre killer=rupert 1 -tv:<0.5" or "!lg * kewn killer=rupert 1 -tv:<0.5". 00:10:53 !wtf kere 00:10:54 Kenku* Reaver* 00:10:59 578. [2012-05-31 17:17:46] [v=0.8.0] nmf the Cleaver (L8 MDCr of Cheibriados) entered a Bailey on turn 7434. (D:8) 00:11:10 kenku ---> tengu 00:11:17 (just a rename) 00:11:37 ??crusader 00:11:37 crusader[1/1]: A background removed in 0.9. Started with a weapon and a spellbook containing berserker rage. 00:11:58 Rupert actually was a Cr before Cr was removed and Rupert was reflavoured 00:12:15 didn't know you could ever cast berserk 00:12:28 dont think it's a player spell any more 00:12:35 hasn't been since, oh, 0.9 or so 00:12:36 :) 00:13:33 %git 23c42ed 00:13:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-707-g23c42ed: Replace Rupert's totally broken theme. The new one isn't much better, though. 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 3 files, 15+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/23c42edc6908 00:13:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:14:01 %git ab4e0cb 00:14:01 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-703-gab4e0cb: s/Crusader/Skald/ 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 9 files, 16+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab4e0cbf961e 00:15:05 %git b78db85 00:15:05 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-121-gb78db85: Axe the Berserker Rage spell. Boost Crusaders. 10(4 years, 7 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b78db8501771 00:17:22 interesting "Trog's Domain" 00:18:54 wonder if it was a genuine concern or more of a joke 00:19:23 genuine concern iirc 00:20:46 it was seen as fairly pointless to have an inferior trog-lite background 00:21:05 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:01 when there was already a Berserker background 00:22:22 -!- twelwe_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:42 geekosaur: this was referring to Rupert at the time 00:22:48 who was themed as a Crusader then 00:22:48 were amulets and potions of rage around? 00:22:53 yes 00:23:06 hell yes people are here 00:23:06 and even 00:23:09 ??bloodlust 00:23:10 necklace of bloodlust[1/1]: Cursed {amulet of rage}. +2 str, -2 int, +3 slay, MR+, -20 stealth, makes you angry (equivalent to berserkitis 3; triggers on 9% of attacks), and recurses 1 in 3 times when worn. Extends your berserk duration slightly on 50% of kills. 00:23:20 and yea. referring to the Rupert comment 00:23:42 * geekosaur only just got that loaded (notwork is being really crap tonight) 00:23:51 network? more like a notwork 00:24:13 -!- RBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:34 or "nyetwork" 00:24:47 da, komrade 00:25:42 the whole idea of a spell to make you berserk was considered questionable as well, iirc 00:25:54 especially since, well, you can't cast while it's up 00:26:13 i remember crusaders #neverforget 00:26:28 and yes, the whole "so a spell to make you temporarily like a follower of the antimagic god, wtf?" thing 00:27:06 twelwe, what ideas do you bring to us today 00:27:08 you know 00:27:12 just to throw things out there 00:27:49 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:56 add my god that encourages you to cast red spells 00:28:05 high failure rate spells 00:28:23 * geekosaur thought that was Sif. >.> 00:29:02 God of Miscasts and Miscreants 00:29:13 mis funa 00:29:37 everyone ignored my god and it was a total failure 00:29:46 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:48 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:00 brutal 00:31:18 that's only because you posted it on tavern, instead of surreptitiously inserting it into crawl's codebase. 00:31:20 can a god create a task so hard even he can fail at it 00:31:57 let me google that for you 00:32:16 oen could argue that's a pretty good description of the bible... 00:33:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:38:27 -!- zero_one has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:49 the ontoclasmologicala argument 00:40:17 s/la /l / 00:41:03 mm 00:42:06 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:59 clearly i should code up a god 00:45:10 a god of wrath, to make up for lacertilians 00:45:16 * johnstein doesn't know what that means 00:45:23 wait 00:45:24 xom 00:46:26 -!- adamzap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:47:01 ??is_cszo_down 00:47:04 1 minutes, 48 seconds since last activity (cszo) 00:47:51 thats the one i use 00:48:38 ??is_cszo_down 00:48:38 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:41 3 minutes, 25 seconds since last activity (cszo) 00:49:44 johnstein: that's supposed to be Lugonu 00:49:44 is it for real you are streaming 00:49:46 with altar defiling 00:50:07 !polytheist 00:50:12 Unwon gods for johnstein: , Beogh, Cheibriados, Dithmenos, Elyvilon, Fedhas, Gozag, Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Lugonu, Nemelex Xobeh, Pakellas, Qazlal, Ru, Sif Muna, The Shining One, Vehumet, Xom, Yredelemnul, Zin 00:50:21 yea. no Lugonu win yet 00:50:31 "supposed to be" 00:50:36 ah 00:50:38 I'll wait then 00:50:39 when will there be a god of kung fu 00:50:42 put Lu last 00:50:59 I' 00:51:13 twelwe_: well I'm a big deal now, and have endorsments 00:51:24 make me a guest star sometime 00:51:29 I've been distracted from crypt layouts. objstats is tempting me to do some Automated Objstat stuff 00:51:31 mostly for the game design ideas I've taken from others and have improved upon 00:51:56 i can really talk, i don`t shut up half the time 00:52:02 1learn gammafunk well I'm a big deal now, and have endorsments 00:52:30 pizza tornado has made you a devicive and contraversial figure in this community, and I can't be associated with that, due to my 'rep' 00:52:58 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:05 *divicive but devicive also works and is what I meant 00:53:12 *divisive 00:53:26 i know wgat that means mispelled or correct 00:53:33 decisive 00:53:34 *i don`t know 00:53:36 fr: *Device bad property 00:53:44 derisive 00:54:11 ebering: surely that'll be that god of empty slots the legendary Lasty's been bandying about 00:54:24 Legendary Lasty comes into view. 00:54:36 you need the "the" 00:54:38 johnstein: whatever happened to the old experimental games on cbro? 00:54:41 The Legendary L asty comes into view. 00:54:43 sounds like the god of empty ideas 00:54:54 ProzacElf: they are still on cbro. but I took the links down 00:55:04 ah 00:55:08 !send Grunt the 'the "the"' 00:55:09 Sending the 'the "the"' to Grunt. 00:55:16 !motto the the the the the the the 00:55:16 it was getting cluttered. I feel like I should bring a few back. lacertilians will come back very soon 00:55:16 TTTTTTT! T-The! T-The! T-The! T-The! T-The! T-The! T-The! The The The The The The The! THE THE THE THE THE THE THE! 00:55:33 just bugs me that some imp game i started and abandoned keeps showing up whenever i search for games that i have up 00:55:43 great motto grunt 00:55:49 ProzacElf: hm 00:55:53 imo the abandoned branches should stay down until/unless someone picks them up again 00:55:57 you could probably filter your nick 00:56:02 (or at least: can't start new games) 00:56:03 or, we could add imps to crawl. 00:56:07 haha 00:56:07 ProzacElf: not sure what to do about the in-progress games 00:56:08 that wouldn't actually help anything. I'm just saying. 00:56:14 ??imps 00:56:15 imps ~ imp[1/1]: Did you mean {crimson imp}, {white imp}, {shadow imp}, {iron imp} or {imp species}? 00:56:17 * Grunt shouts at PleasingFungus, "Quit, thou jarring miscreant tiler!" 00:56:22 ??imp species 00:56:23 imp species[1/2]: Player species Imp. Main feature is permanent teleportitis and a blink intrinsic, also little, demonic, assorted resistances/immunities, regen 1, shoutitis. Now playable as an experimental branch on CBRO! 00:56:38 s/now/not 00:56:48 !learn e imp_species[1] s/Now/Used to be 00:56:49 imp species[1/2]: Player species Imp. Main feature is permanent teleportitis and a blink intrinsic, also little, demonic, assorted resistances/immunities, regen 1, shoutitis. Used to be playable as an experimental branch on CBRO! 00:56:58 Experimental (faithful) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-753-gf0f1e14 00:57:07 ! 00:57:18 ! 00:57:23 =O 00:57:23 ! 00:57:31 ? 00:57:34 man 00:57:35 remember 00:57:37 ??plutonian 00:57:37 plutonian[1/2]: Ancient experimental species. Gets contam instead of hunger but loses contam on killing things. Their MP and HP regeneration are faster the higher their contam is. 00:57:41 I'll replace Pakellas with Lacertilian 00:57:44 wow, ancient... 00:57:47 makes me feel old :( 00:58:01 was plutonians yours PleasingFungus ? 00:58:04 no 00:58:06 -!- theperson88 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:11 but they weren't THAT long ago!!! 00:58:13 if PleasingFungus is ancient....... 00:58:21 ??djinn 00:58:21 djinn ~ djinni[1/1]: removed race with EP instead of hp/mp 00:58:28 !lm * explbr=plutonians 1 00:58:30 You see here: Grunt, the Beginning of an Era. 00:58:31 ??lava orc 00:58:32 lava orc[1/1]: A race concept that turned out to be too hot for the devs to handle, and never made it into stable before removal. 00:58:33 haha 00:58:35 1/1547. [2014-05-18 06:45:05] cbrotest the Chopper (L1 PlBe of Trog) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 00:58:42 ProzacElf: I am the Beginning and the End. 00:58:43 only 1.5 years ago 00:58:43 er 00:58:46 ProzacElf != PleasingFungus 00:58:47 thanks tab 00:58:54 !lm * explbr!= cbro 1 00:59:01 Grunt the Crusty is too close for comfort! 00:59:01 1/34044. [2014-05-06 01:59:03] Raemuz the Shield-Bearer (L1 GrFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 00:59:03 * PleasingFungus mashes tab! 00:59:06 !lm * exlbr!= cbro 1 x=explbr 00:59:07 Unknown field: exlbr 00:59:07 * PleasingFungus dies... 00:59:10 !lm * explbr!= cbro 1 x=explbr 00:59:15 1/34044. [2014-05-06 01:59:03] [explbr=gods] Raemuz the Shield-Bearer (L1 GrFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 00:59:23 ! 00:59:36 !lm * excalibur!= 00:59:36 Unknown field: excalibur 00:59:42 was gods the gozag+qaz branch? 00:59:47 PleasingFungus: yes!@ 00:59:50 good times 00:59:55 or 00:59:58 god times...? 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:06 !lm * alive cbro explbr!= s=explbr 01:00:10 874 milestones for * (alive cbro explbr!=): 297x imp, 210x evoker-god-rebase, 158x orcs and elves, 111x squarelos-0.17, 70x mulch ado about nothing, 28x abyssrun 01:00:14 !lg cbrotest s=explbr 01:00:15 98 games for cbrotest: 80x, 3x plutonians, 3x shoals-lite, 2x weightless, evoker-god-rebase, squarelos-0.17, chunkless, bearkin, mulch ado about nothing, salamander, cards, abyssrun, imp, orcs and elves 01:00:40 ??bearkin 01:00:41 bearkin[1/5]: Experimental BEAR race that makes solid bearserkers and bear wizards. You get lots of bear hp and bear claws and bear fangs and even more bear claws. Playable on beartato (CBRO)! Mostly dead. 01:00:45 (always have to sacrifice a cbrotest in order to make the log and stones files so they link) 01:00:58 wow, weightless 01:01:02 !learn e bearkin[1] s/Playable/Used to be playable 01:01:03 bearkin[1/5]: Experimental BEAR race that makes solid bearserkers and bear wizards. You get lots of bear hp and bear claws and bear fangs and even more bear claws. Used to be playable on beartato (CBRO)! Mostly dead. 01:01:04 !lm * begin alive cbro explbr!= s=explbr 01:01:07 brings me back 01:01:09 298 milestones for * (begin alive cbro explbr!=): 95x imp, 77x squarelos-0.17, 40x mulch ado about nothing, 36x orcs and elves, 25x evoker-god-rebase, 25x abyssrun 01:01:19 also remember chunkless haha 01:01:23 !lg * chunkless 01:01:24 No keyword 'chunkless' 01:01:30 !hs * explbr=chunkless 01:01:30 !lg * file~~chunkless 01:01:31 1238. tedric the Petrodigitator (L27 GrEE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-30 02:42:40, with 16456379 points after 94631 turns and 16:12:49. 01:01:32 1238. TerraAegis the Bolt Thrower (L1 MiHu), got out of the dungeon alive on 2015-03-07 02:32:10, with 0 points after 5 turns and 0:00:10. 01:01:33 did anything happen with mulching? 01:01:37 I ruined chunkless, and I wasn't even trying to! 01:01:45 !blame3 PleasingFungus 01:01:45 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 01:01:49 you ruined our sweet sweet chunks! 01:01:55 I meant well 01:01:57 mostly 01:02:07 perhaps I should resurrect salamanders at some point 01:02:10 johnstein: I think Lasty has an overall plan he'd like to work on 01:02:23 they'd be kind of dull now that 01:02:23 well 01:02:24 ??salamander species 01:02:24 salamander species[1/1]: An experiemental race, Salamanders start off with AF_FIRE, slow move 2, tough skin 2 (+2 AC), rC- and a naga-like tail (can't wear boots but can wear naga bardings). At XL7 and XL14 they gain one level of rF; at XL14 they also gain the ability to swim through lava. Try them on {CBRO}! 01:02:26 @??salamander 01:02:26 salamander (04N) | Spd: 10 (swim: 70%) | HD: 8 | HP: 49-80 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 1704(fire:8-15) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(40), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 525 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:02:35 it doesn't make sense to make them slow any more <.< 01:02:45 !learn add experimental_races Never made it into trunk: djinn, lava orc, plutonian, bearkin, lacertilian, salamander, imp, in no particular order. 01:02:45 experimental races[1/1]: Never made it into trunk: djinn, lava orc, plutonian, bearkin, lacertilian, salamander, imp, in no particular order. 01:02:53 Grunt: make crawl layouts place tons and tons of lava 01:02:54 and also there was some elephant defensive race/god thing going on 01:03:00 by I think the plutonian guys 01:03:02 !learn e salamander_species[1] s/Try/Should have tried 01:03:02 salamander species[1/1]: An experiemental race, Salamanders start off with AF_FIRE, slow move 2, tough skin 2 (+2 AC), rC- and a naga-like tail (can't wear boots but can wear naga bardings). At XL7 and XL14 they gain one level of rF; at XL14 they also gain the ability to swim through lava. Should have tried them on {CBRO}! 01:03:04 lava everywhere... 01:03:13 and then of course you add deep lava 01:03:14 !learn e salamander_species[1] s/!/ when you had the chance! 01:03:14 salamander species[1/1]: An experiemental race, Salamanders start off with AF_FIRE, slow move 2, tough skin 2 (+2 AC), rC- and a naga-like tail (can't wear boots but can wear naga bardings). At XL7 and XL14 they gain one level of rF; at XL14 they also gain the ability to swim through lava. Should have tried them on {CBRO} when you had the chance! 01:03:22 and shallow lava 01:03:39 got in an argument with the comborobin player yesterday. they were arguing that we should add deep water & lava everywhere, and then make m&f do extra damage to enemies next to it. 01:03:47 -!- adamzap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:48 was it hurricos 01:03:50 ?? ? ? 01:03:50 I don't have a page labeled ?_? in my learndb. 01:03:51 I bet it was hurricos 01:03:54 probably. 01:03:56 ???? 01:03:56 that makes no sense 01:04:01 ?? ? 01:04:01 scrolls[1/1]: acquirement, amnesia, blinking, curse armour, curse jewellery, curse weapon, enchant armour, enchant weapon, fear, fog, holy word, identify, immolation, magic mapping, noise, random uselessness, recharging, remove curse, silence, summoning, teleportation, torment, brand weapon, vulnerability. 01:04:10 or should I say 01:04:10 they argued that there wasn't enough terrain in crawl. 01:04:12 ??dumb[4 01:04:12 dumb[4/5]: that's dumb 01:04:21 well terrain in crawl is really limited yeah, but 01:04:29 must be really dumb if grunt says it's dumb 01:04:29 This Is Not Nethack 01:04:33 I think it might make some sense in a game that wasn't crawl. 01:04:34 !send gammafunk wax walls 01:04:34 Sending wax walls to gammafunk. 01:04:35 FR: merfolk unique named Hurricos who sits in deep water and lava only and does extra damage to enemies near it. UC combat 01:04:42 I mean it's really limited in nethack as well, tbf 01:04:50 not even nethack, necessarily. something smaller. 01:04:53 I've been playing tiny rogue. 01:04:55 fr: Wax Wings, give flight but melt from fire damage 01:05:03 it doesn't have terrain either, but it's small enough. 01:05:12 gammafunk: ice wings 01:05:14 ??pocket crawl 01:05:14 I don't have a page labeled pocket_crawl in my learndb. 01:05:18 gammafunk: to go with ice armour 01:05:19 right 01:05:21 ? 01:05:26 also it has a vampiric effect that triggers on an enemy that revives itself, thus COMPLETELY breaking the health economy 01:05:30 -!- halberd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:42 vampirism is totally broken in that game generally, tho, much as in crawl. 01:05:59 game keeps freezing on cszo, high server load or some bug? 01:06:01 uh oh...it has quests 01:06:07 halberd: the server's dying, cloud. 01:06:13 gammafunk: it doesn't really 01:06:20 looks cute though 01:06:23 like 8 levels down you find a chest or a princess or a dragon 01:06:23 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:06:25 regardless of quest 01:06:25 s 01:06:26 -!- dealpete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06:27 rip Sizzel 01:06:28 and get some extra points 01:06:33 that's it 01:06:34 yeah cszo is having a bad evening 01:07:02 there is very little to the game and it's pretty close to being an 868-HACK ripoff but it's still a little addictive. moreish. 01:08:26 -!- comradegarry has quit [Client Quit] 01:09:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 01:10:29 can`t get on aol or cszo...... 01:11:50 -!- mineral has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:12 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:23 i should get a TI-99 emulator and play tunnels of doom again 01:12:59 twelwe_: when you try and find the orb of zot in the cloud sometimes it comes back as precipitation 01:13:30 is this an idea or a fact or a hallucination? 01:13:45 we'll go with factoid 01:14:02 sorry cant read pig latin. what is that>? 01:14:41 lol just a lil joke of mine, i get it 01:18:14 -!- TurboShoah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:55 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:29 aol? 01:23:54 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:25:14 -!- halberd has left ##crawl-dev 01:27:56 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:29:48 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:31 ??aol 01:32:32 aol ~ aoe[1/1]: Area of effect. Used to describe spells that affect enemies in more than one square. Normally, the implicit area is all of LOS. 01:32:48 is that right Sequell??? 01:33:07 well cszo is back 01:33:15 some of the listed games show idle time of 101h and such 01:37:17 thanks for the help gammafunk 01:42:40 again that's not an endorsment or even official recognition or help, I don't hand that out for free 01:45:19 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:45:32 ?/aol 01:45:33 Matching terms (2): ring_of_shaolin, shaolin; entries (3): ring_of_robustness[1]: Unrand ring of +8 AC, counterpart to the ring of Shaolin. | ros[1]: see {ring of shaolin} | shaolin[1]: see {ring of shaolin} 01:46:08 gammafunk: there's been some really high idle games on there for a few days at least (when I noticed them) 01:46:52 oh, interesting 01:48:35 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:51:55 !lg * file~~chunkless 01:51:57 1238. TerraAegis the Bolt Thrower (L1 MiHu), got out of the dungeon alive on 2015-03-07 02:32:10, with 0 points after 5 turns and 0:00:10. 01:52:28 [23:01] <@Grunt> !hs * explbr=chunkless 01:52:36 !hs * explbr=chunkless 01:52:37 1238. tedric the Petrodigitator (L27 GrEE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-30 02:42:40, with 16456379 points after 94631 turns and 16:12:49. 01:52:54 huh so i have the chunkless high score, that's neat 01:53:48 !hs . explbr=chunkless 01:53:49 3. gammafunk the Tainter (L10 NaVM of Sif Muna), demolished by an orc warrior (a +0,+0 dire flail) (led by an orc knight) on Orc:3 on 2014-06-01 16:23:41, with 6423 points after 5901 turns and 1:25:53. 01:53:54 I was robbed 01:54:38 5.9k orc, should have quit before that anyhow 01:58:46 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:48 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:16 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:19 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:05:44 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 02:13:18 -!- comradegarry has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:14:46 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:21:22 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:49 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:42 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:46:11 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:51:26 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:52:43 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:09 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:00 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:14:05 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:19:03 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19:03 -!- twelwe_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19:56 @??salamander stormcaller 03:19:56 salamander stormcaller (05N) | Spd: 10 (swim: 70%) | HD: 15 | HP: 67-82 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1004(fire:15-29) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1351 | Sp: sticky flame range (3d6), fire storm (8d12 / 8d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:20:30 their description still says that their fire storm "ritual takes a long time to complete" or something. that's not true anymore, right? they just have an ordinary instant firestorm with a low frequency? 03:21:39 amalloy: I think there's also a cooldown 03:21:48 that's after casting it though 03:22:36 !source _spell_charged 03:22:36 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc#l4907 03:23:19 interesting 03:24:02 so they have to "attempt" to cast it several times, and only succeed on the third try 03:24:15 the first two attempts act like cantrips and print charging-up messages 03:35:46 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45:53 it's the same thing as orb spiders 03:48:44 so how is that really any different than before? 03:48:54 they can move while they're doing it? 03:49:25 it's not cancelled when they're offscreen, presumably 03:49:38 oh 03:49:43 that makes sense i 03:49:45 guess 03:50:09 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:50:31 i never knew orb spiders had a charge-up thing 03:50:38 i thought it was just cantrips 03:52:53 the "the orb spider begins weaving an orb..." messages seemed self explanatory :v 03:55:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56:01 CanOfWorms: lots of monsters have cantrip messages that are flavored to sounds like doing something meaningful 03:56:22 less so now than before, i suppose 03:56:24 maybe they shouldn't... 03:56:49 well indeed, there has been a move in that direction 03:57:26 now we need a yeti monster with the same gimmick applied the glaciate, obviously 03:57:34 "The yeti takes a deep breath." 03:59:32 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:58 -!- xtwv has quit [Client Quit] 04:11:43 -!- RBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:12 -!- Tiktalik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:22:40 !glaciate CanOfWorms 04:22:41 gammafunk casts a spell at CanOfWorms. gammafunk conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs CanOfWorms! 04:23:24 Almost 30 minutes late, but we know how slowly worms move... 04:23:35 -!- R18 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:24:05 * CanOfWorms sneezes 04:24:18 also, I didn't know you were a yeti, gammafunk :o 04:27:59 @??iron_giant col:lightblue name:yeti spells:glaciate.33.magical;flash_freeze.33.magical;bolt_of_cold.33.magical 04:28:00 yeti (12C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 209-228 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 75, 003(constrict) | 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 5997 | Sp: glaciate (10-150) [06!sil], flash freeze (3d29) [06!sil], b.cold (3d32) [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 04:30:37 a new enemy for cocytus... 04:39:01 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:24 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:40:12 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:43:59 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:55:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 04:57:06 -!- Idolo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:58:18 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18:11 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:11 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 05:18:12 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 05:18:21 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 05:18:36 -!- TZer0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:36 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:37 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:37 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:37 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:40 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:24 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:43:19 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 05:46:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:46:43 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:47:20 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 05:49:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:51:29 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:19 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:46 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:19 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:12 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:16:36 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:22:41 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:50 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:36:15 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 06:36:25 I suggest we make autobutcher the default. 06:36:37 (Disclaimer: I only play with default options, on purpose.) 06:38:31 there is autobutcher? 06:38:39 yes, and autoeat 06:38:45 autoeat is already default, which is good 06:39:01 really? what's the autobutcher option? 06:39:31 I wouldn't know! Hopefully I'm not talking nonsense here :) 06:39:47 can't find anything in option guide at least 06:40:01 By the way, I managed to reply in dynast's "rant on Crawl" thread. Cannot post link in here, but perhaps it's interesting for some. 06:42:31 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:11 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:45:43 Medar: hm, you are right, I cannot find it either. Could've sworn there was something like this :O 06:46:44 might have been a proposed patch at some point, or clua script, don't know 06:54:03 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=252178 06:54:18 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:54:19 your post is missing the timestamp that allows linking directly to the post... 06:56:38 I feel like branching really isn't that big of a deal for the problem you are describing here. 06:57:23 I don't think most "good" players backtrack much at all, plus the benefits from doing so aren't big as the most XP is on branch ends anyway. 06:58:37 might be wrong about that, but personally I found the part where branching makes a difference is before first branch when you sometimes delay lair and do some more D or orc. But that part of the game isn't under scrutiny here. 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:20 -!- morfei has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:10:10 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:12:08 Medar: the fact that you can, with similar risks, enter Lair or Orc or go further down in Dungeon, proves that the game gets easier at that point, I'd say. 07:12:20 (thanks for link, sorry for late reply) 07:15:59 Mibe (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(weight(end - 1) > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 90 failed. (Pan) 07:18:37 well, I really like that part of the game fwiw 07:19:50 that is not a contradiction :) 07:20:43 I also die there a decent amount, so maybe I'm playing it wron 07:33:08 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:35:04 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:35:07 -!- R18 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:57 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 07:41:18 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:42 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:20 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:37 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:46 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42:19 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:43:21 -!- RBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:49 -!- yottam_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:53 took 265 turns to get to full health (5->59hp) 08:50:58 with regen ammy 08:51:26 bug? 08:52:00 oh new feature 08:52:04 slow start regen 08:52:08 thank you devs 08:56:54 would you prefer rot 08:57:55 !commit Reduce max hp by 15% each time amulet of regen is worn. 08:57:56 03gammafunk * 0.18-a0-482-g97890f8: Reduce max hp by 15% each time amulet of regen is worn. 10(in the future, 7 files, 730+ 319-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97890f8 08:58:00 fixed 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:35 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05:37 that'll do 09:09:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:48 -!- excalibur03 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:29 from a current wiki guide: "The balrug is as bad as its namesake from Tolkien: It will throw lots of hellfire at you if you don’t stop it first." 09:12:37 I see some things never change 09:13:21 ...followed by "The hell sentinel also likes to throw hellfire, and he can torment you." 09:17:26 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:17:54 -!- broquaint has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:18:38 i would prefer the ancient regen ammy of 0.17 09:18:44 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:42 -!- snowdude has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:22 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:32:06 -!- metasyntactic is now known as kunwon1 09:43:15 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:07 -!- uJellie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:11 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:12 -!- kvaak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:37 -!- Mise has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:49 -!- Mise is now known as kvaak 10:11:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:12:21 -!- hong has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:27 hello 10:17:37 why so quiet? is there dawn? 10:29:48 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:35:01 -!- dpeg is now known as dawnpeg 10:35:53 it's the dawn of aquarius 10:36:36 * geekosaur not really awake 10:36:44 * dawnpeg so sleepy 10:37:07 and notwork is still doing its drop-SYN-packets thing :( 10:37:58 dawnpeg: it's the middle of the day 10:38:22 it's already darkening outside 10:39:49 -!- kvaak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:04 -!- morfei has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:25 -!- kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 10:51:30 it's the weekend during the midday 10:51:38 or morning if you're in the west of the u.s. 10:55:57 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:42 -!- Bamboomancer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:16 -!- dealpete has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:30 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:15:38 03Lasty02 07* 0.18-a0-751-g685a3a7: Transform the amulet of stasis into the amulet of reflection 10(7 days ago, 30 files, 199+ 190-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/685a3a753ca6 11:16:10 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:17:11 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:17 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:19:17 -!- neunon_ is now known as neunon 11:24:05 Lasty: so now do we have to hide briefly behind rocks while it recharges 11:25:27 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:25:46 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:50 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 11:28:11 someone's actually doing work -- interesting commit! 11:30:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:32 i had this unpleasant urge to fork crawl earlier 11:34:52 partly due to That One Thread 11:35:16 -!- dawnpeg is now known as dpeg 11:35:22 * dpeg gives ontoclasm knife and fork. 11:36:52 ??ocrawl 11:36:53 I don't have a page labeled ocrawl in my learndb. Did you mean: bcrawl, crawl, eocrawl, fcrawl, hcrawl, kcrawl, lcrawl, mcrawl, ncrawl, pcrawl, qcrawl, tcrawl, wcrawl, xcrawl, ycrawl. 11:36:58 rip 11:39:09 !learn add ocrawl 1/2 level area; ~2x cost of skills over 10, ~4x cost over 20; 1/2 item gen in every branch but D, zero item gen in extended, don't gen "popcorn" monsters anywhere ever 11:39:09 ocrawl[1/1]: 1/2 level area; ~2x cost of skills over 10, ~4x cost over 20; 1/2 item gen in every branch but D, zero item gen in extended, don't gen "popcorn" monsters anywhere ever 11:40:08 ontoclasm: sounds like content good enough for vanilla, if you ask me 11:40:10 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 11:40:17 haha 11:41:01 you are not serious about it!!!1! 11:41:28 well i do think all those things would be good changes >.> 11:42:20 cool, now only to slowly get them into the game! 11:42:41 it'd be cool if those *crawl things had listed their creators 11:42:47 i'll just commit them quietly over time by sneaking them into tiles commits 11:43:05 !learn mv ocrawl ontocrawl 11:43:06 ocrawl -> ontocrawl[1/1]: 1/2 level area; ~2x cost of skills over 10, ~4x cost over 20; 1/2 item gen in every branch but D, zero item gen in extended, don't gen "popcorn" monsters anywhere ever 11:48:01 xcrawl is interesting 11:48:33 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 11:48:57 -!- entirely_liquid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:24 segfault on spellcast attempt 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10165 by Teryn 11:51:27 ??xcrawl 11:51:27 xcrawl[1/4]: Chapayev's new Crawl variant project. Until the first release, finished stuff will go in this learndb entry. 11:53:09 ontoclasm: hide behind rocks while it recharges . . .? 11:53:59 ontoclasm: ontocrawl sounds interesting 11:54:13 yes, ontocrawl for 0.19! 11:55:39 perhaps I should pick the less controversial commits out of orcs_and_elves and land them 11:55:49 or perhaps one of the more controversial commits as well <.< 11:56:38 ??orcs_and_elves 11:56:38 orcs and elves[1/1]: Orc is two floors; Elf enemy set is massaged considerably. Go there and have fun. 11:56:39 -!- Lucasterio has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56:40 Start by removing all sources of HW. That'll distract from the outrage over my commits. 11:56:41 probably I would take: two level orc, merge of mages/conjurers/summoners (with fixed spell sets), bye bye priests, sprinkle weapons and elementals throughout Elf (but Blade would stick around) 11:57:04 Lasty: easy to remove Mi or DE for the time being 11:57:33 ah, good call. Should just do both. 11:57:36 For good measure. 11:57:47 maybe I will do some further work on deep elf elementalists and add wheals' spell idea (thinking of calling it Awaken Earth) 11:58:03 whatsit do? 11:58:11 turns earth around target into earth elementals 11:58:26 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:45 nice one 11:58:47 (earth -> rock walls) 11:58:48 so you go into corridors to escape it? 11:58:52 oh, gotcha 11:58:54 the opposite 11:58:55 :) 11:58:56 that seems solid 11:58:59 solid. 11:59:00 ha. 11:59:06 !glasses 11:59:06 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:10 -!- Luca_Blight has quit [] 12:10:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:14:31 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:14:44 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:12 -!- shmup_ is now known as shmup 12:16:10 -!- tedric has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:43 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:42 Grunt: that set of things from orcs_and_elves sounds pretty good to me (except i'm not sure how good elementals are as elf-level enemies, i didn't see if the branch changes them at all) 12:21:08 imo it'd be sort of weird for a subbranch to have more floors than its parent, but that's not really an actual problem 12:21:53 the hells have more floors than Hell! 12:22:00 I'm not really sold on the elemental idea either, but I at least want to see if it has an impact on how the branch plays 12:22:00 :P 12:22:13 but if the "elementalist" idea does go ahead it does at least make thematic sense >.> 12:22:18 I don't think it's a problem to have a subbranch have more floors than its parent.It'd be an interesting change of pace. 12:22:22 (not that that's going to happen either!) 12:22:30 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:23:51 someone was talking about giving draconian zealots a qaz-based spellset 12:23:53 speaking of elements 12:24:02 upheaval and... something 12:24:52 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:04 (forgot to mention but I am also going to land the refactoring of the lich spell set assignment, even though that doesn't impact anything else since de mages are still going to have fixed spell sets) 12:28:13 anyway 12:28:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-752-ga64f057: Flatten Orc to two levels, and remove plain orcs from generation there. 10(7 weeks ago, 8 files, 40+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a64f057106d4 12:28:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-753-g05a9da5: Refactor and genericise lich spell assignment code a bit. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 91+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05a9da5a3bb0 12:28:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-754-geadaf5c: Merge deep elf summoners and conjurers into mages. 10(6 weeks ago, 31 files, 100+ 170-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eadaf5cd0ab4 12:28:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-755-g0310ae4: Remove deep elf priests. 10(6 weeks ago, 30 files, 48+ 94-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0310ae40be23 12:28:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-756-g314a246: Sprinkle some dancing weapons and elementals throughout Elf. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/314a246a6ad7 12:28:35 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-751-g685a3a7 (34) 12:28:38 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:29:20 (imo: go whack at the spell sets for mages since I tend to be pretty bad at figuring those out) 12:29:52 !whack Grunt 12:29:59 !ironshot PleasingFungus 12:30:00 Grunt casts a spell at PleasingFungus. The iron shot hits PleasingFungus!!! 12:30:03 !lcs PleasingFungus 12:30:04 Grunt casts a spell at PleasingFungus. The crystal spear hits PleasingFungus!!!!! 12:30:06 !iood PleasingFungus 12:30:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:30:07 Grunt conjures a glowing orb. The orb of destruction hits PleasingFungus!!!!! 12:30:14 !doom Grunt 12:30:15 PleasingFungus unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in Grunt's mind! The doom hound bites Grunt!!! x5 12:30:22 !death PleasingFungus 12:30:22 Death has come for PleasingFungus... 12:30:33 death and doom... how morbid. 12:30:42 I feel... haunted... 12:30:46 There are no doom hounds! 12:30:47 !haunt PleasingFungus 12:30:47 Grunt gestures at PleasingFungus while chanting. Insubstantial figures form in the air. The freezing wraith hits PleasingFungus! x3 The phantasmal warrior hits PleasingFungus! x5 12:30:56 !wtf doom hound 12:30:56 Unemployed Unperson 12:31:06 todo: update changelog 12:31:14 (need to head out now but will do that after I get back) 12:31:22 Lasty: are you sure.......>? 12:31:40 PleasingFungus: they're demon hounds now, right? 12:31:45 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:57 They're demonic doom hounds! 12:31:59 @??doom hound 12:32:00 doom hound (03h) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 87-133 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 45, 30 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 3378 | Sp: doom howl [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 12:32:04 oh 12:32:11 !send Lasty misleading commit messages 12:32:12 Sending misleading commit messages to Lasty. 12:32:23 Deceiver!!!! 12:32:33 They call me the Great Deceiver. 12:32:43 By "they" do you mean Styx? 12:32:44 hm, maybe I should revert the HD... 12:32:54 No, I don't listen to music. I don't even know what it is. 12:32:57 Music. 12:33:02 It's not in Crawl so I have no time for it. 12:33:26 Also sound in general. 12:34:00 Of course. 12:34:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:19 -!- Elsi_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:07 -!- GiantOwl has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 12:40:22 -!- Iden has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:32 -!- Kalir has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:32 -!- cmcbot has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:32 -!- siepu has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:32 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:32 -!- vev has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:32 -!- fazisi has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:33 -!- wmbt has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:33 -!- geekosaur has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:33 -!- roxton has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:34 -!- Elsi has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:34 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:34 -!- VoidFox has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:34 -!- paulr_ has quit [*.net *.split] 12:40:38 -!- Kalma_ is now known as Kalma 12:40:40 -!- roxton` is now known as roxton 12:41:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:41:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:06 orcs & elves, wahoo! 12:42:45 Ironically, this reduces the number of both orcs and elves considerably. 12:43:12 submitted a bug report @ https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/, but can't edit my issue even when signed in. am i missing a way to edit it? 12:43:16 doesn't matter, major modification <3 12:43:24 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 12:43:51 Iden: i don't think you can edit submissions once they're made (unless you're a developer/admin), you can just add a note to the issue though if there's something that needs to be changed 12:43:51 -!- xargs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:12 ah, ok. so append new files as needed and just add notes if you're not a dev/admin? 12:44:29 yeah 12:45:11 really love the game. want to do my part, thanks. :) 12:45:37 um, as in, thanks for helping me help everybody else. ^_^; 12:45:41 bye. 12:45:46 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45:48 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:53 -!- Iden has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:54:06 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55:50 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:57:45 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:48 !send dpeg https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:ally_god 13:03:49 Sending https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:ally_god to dpeg. 13:04:03 might be overcomplex right now 13:05:57 !send PleasingFungus simplicity 13:05:58 Sending simplicity to PleasingFungus. 13:06:38 !simplify Grunt 13:07:00 !complicate PleasingFungus 13:07:12 * PleasingFungus feels confused! 13:08:27 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 13:09:48 hm is it even possible for players to get DUR_ANTIMAGIC 13:10:11 looks like no, was just djinn 13:10:52 wouldn't have been simpler to just make AM act as djinn slaying 13:10:58 +it 13:11:59 MarvinPA: it is 13:12:04 MarvinPA: Sap Magic 13:12:13 wait 13:12:16 oh really? i thought that was its own separate weird thing 13:12:30 that's something else I think 13:12:32 yeah 13:12:37 yeah that just increases fail rate 13:12:52 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:54 (and is really bad and should change somehow imo) 13:13:34 (I think that describes: most demonspawn spells) 13:14:07 i think i managed to simplify/remove a lot of the worst offenders! sap magic and chaotic mirror are the remaining two that i want to change somehow 13:14:40 imo remove the latter 13:14:52 imo remove chaos champions after 13:15:58 anyway what i was actually looking into was fixing the fact that sacrificing spell schools under ru can block you from using the DS hellfire mut 13:15:58 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:05 and also can block xom from casting spells 13:16:14 (convert Chaotic Mirror into a LoS on allies with mostly positive status effects; give to Mnoleg; remove chaos champions) 13:16:15 i guess the easiest way to fix this is just another param for your_spells 13:17:56 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:18:04 -!- tedric has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:44 MarvinPA: Really? What schools block hellfire 13:20:52 conj and fire 13:21:33 beogh's SPELL_SMITING gets around this by just not having any spell schools, otherwise ru could block that too it looks like 13:21:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:22:07 but that wouldn't work for hellfire because monsters that cast it need it to have SPTYP_FIRE for dith, i guess (although removing the fire conduct is also on my todo...) 13:25:50 aha i guess ru also blocks the staff of olgreb/dispater, nice 13:30:20 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:44 -!- RBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:26 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:21 <|amethyst> gammafunk: IMO just call it 0.17.2 13:35:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk: anything else is going to cause problems for things that make assumptions about the format of version numbers 13:36:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and in particular the -1 would be a little confusing on Debian-based systems where the - usually indicates a new package based on the same source 13:36:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: 0.17.1.1 or 0.17.1a would be my second choice, but I think .2 is easiest 13:37:43 <|amethyst> Lasty: re removing stasis, the reasoning in the commit message seems to ignore the downside of making you unhastable 13:38:27 <|amethyst> Lasty: which at least makes the decision to swap it (and when) somewhat more interesting 13:40:58 <|amethyst> Lasty: IMO -Tele art prop on jewellery and weapons is worse than stasis was 13:43:18 <|amethyst> Lasty: and paralysis is nasty enough that maybe there should be a way to prevent it completely, though perhaps with stronger drawbacks 13:44:35 <|amethyst> Lasty: if the biggest problem was "stasis encourages swapping, and we don't want people swapping amulets" then IMO bring it back as a ring; but I realise that wasn't your only argument 13:45:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:35 there still is an existing way to get temporary paralysis immunity with a strong drawback! :P 13:48:05 <|amethyst> ? 13:48:13 You shrug off the repeated paralysis! 13:48:17 <|amethyst> :P 13:48:25 my pet wasp 13:48:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:49:03 but yeah i didn't have a problem with stasis so much either, although i won't especially miss it 13:50:13 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm not sure if you saw, but Baconsquid/Baconkiddo was unhappy with the loss of borders on local tiles icons (and kept calling it broken, which led me to blow up on him :/) 13:50:14 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:51:56 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm I like the new look, but what do you think about a subtle (dark purple maybe?) 1-pixel border between icons in panels? 13:51:57 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:52:17 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:40 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 13:52:49 |amethyst: he came back later and said he saw different behavior on other computers (other computers looked "better" to him). he didn't seem to elaborate much though. figure if it's important enough to him he will post a report on mantis 13:53:12 <|amethyst> ?? 13:53:12 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:16 <|amethyst> Hm 13:53:22 hm?? 13:53:22 <|amethyst> hm 13:53:23 <|amethyst> I wonder if it's a gamma issue then 13:53:33 <|amethyst> that it was too dark, not that it didn't have borders 13:54:12 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm maybe the complaint was just about darkness instead? johnstein says Baconkiddo later said it looked better on a different computer....??? 13:54:13 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:54:18 !vault v_alt_pattern2 13:54:20 Can't find v_alt_pattern2. 13:54:33 !vault v_alt_pattern_2 13:54:34 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/vaults_rooms_standard.des#l371 13:56:56 <|amethyst> !tell BaconSquid sorry for blowing up on you, you didn't deserve that 13:56:57 Sorry |amethyst, I don't know who baconsquid is. 13:57:01 <|amethyst> !tell BaconKiddo sorry for blowing up on you, you didn't deserve that 13:57:02 Sorry |amethyst, I don't know who baconkiddo is. 13:57:04 <|amethyst> hm 13:57:20 his nick was different in his screenshot I think 13:57:22 <|amethyst> !tell BaconKiddo_ sorry for blowing up on you, you didn't deserve that 13:57:22 |amethyst: OK, I'll let baconkiddo_ know. 13:57:37 <|amethyst> !tell BaconSquid_ sorry for blowing up on you, you didn't deserve that 13:57:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let baconsquid_ know. 13:58:09 !tell gammafunk I'm still seeing monsters placed in walls in Vaults objstats (I think it was you who was wondering if that was still happening) 13:58:10 johnstein: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 13:58:34 aha xom also can't cast spells on you while you're confused, powerful secret tech (and i just crashed myself locally by trying to make that happen, oops) 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:34 <|amethyst> !tell wheals ideas about how to solve 10162 (ctrl-f jewellery finds "jewellery shop" so doesn't list the items)? Should we just special-case the string "shop"? 14:00:34 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 14:03:03 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk imo just call it 0.17.2 so we don't break anyone's parsing; but definitely not -1 because that means something in Debian already 14:03:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 14:05:08 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:06:01 Grunt: is it intended that pakellas doesn't interact with unrand evokables (dispater/wucad mu etc)? 14:06:40 MarvinPA: I can't remember >.> 14:07:22 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:07:25 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:35 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 14:08:10 <|amethyst> somebody mentioned that, I think 14:08:30 <|amethyst> they were looking into making it work for one of those, and then realised the numbers would be insane or something like that 14:08:33 would be easy enough to make the wrath effects/power boosts work on olgreb/dispater i guess? asmodeus and wucad mu don't use your_spells though so would need special casing for wrath failure, and they don't use power in a standard way 14:08:36 that someone was gammafunk 14:08:54 <|amethyst> aha 14:09:08 <|amethyst> "15:03:48 !tell Grunt I was going to tell you that it's bad that Pak can't enhance dispater's staff and started to write a patch for it, but then I saw the math and why you probably decided to leave that one alone" 14:11:23 mm, deciphering calcdice_calculator is too much effort for me right now, i'll just leave it be :P 14:11:37 that's probably what I thought at the time too <.< 14:12:47 <|amethyst> ah, maybe that's what gammafunk meant 14:12:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:01 MarvinPA: why remove the dith fire conduct? 14:14:05 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:15:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:16:03 it just ends up being incredibly fiddly without having much of a gameplay impact 14:16:14 incredibly fiddly? 14:16:51 <|amethyst> I could see the lightning bolt + tree thing being fiddly 14:17:05 <|amethyst> otherwise isn't it just a matter of not using certain items and spells? 14:17:53 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:54 I've only done one dith game and the only fiddly bit I've dealt with is flame bolts constantly littering my inv 14:17:59 implementation-wise mainly, and all the interactions with various abilities that can sometimes summon fiery things but not always 14:18:12 i guess a good alternative would be to handle all that stuff consistently, somehow 14:18:14 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: well, those interactions have to be handled anyway 14:18:18 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: for good gods 14:18:21 yeah 14:19:07 <|amethyst> IMO TSO + poison is much more fiddly both implementation-wise and play-wise 14:19:16 <|amethyst> though it doesn't affect summons 14:19:17 basically it's weird that a thing being forbidden sometimes means "you can't use this item/spell without risking penance" and sometimes it means "you can use this item/spell but you won't get the effects that everyone else does" 14:20:12 <|amethyst> yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of the summons changes 14:20:19 tso is even worse i think, yeah (don't you get blocked from getting poisonous summons even though poisonous allies never cause penance) 14:20:28 <|amethyst> that made hostile summons not generate rather than generate hostile 14:21:01 <|amethyst> at the moment, it should be only summons that result in "you can use this but won't get the same effect" 14:21:09 <|amethyst> maybe unidentified items 14:21:14 <|amethyst> s/maybe /and / 14:21:51 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: and the TSO thing where you are allowed to stab/poison some creatures 14:22:05 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: or was that just stabbing? 14:22:16 hmm yeah 14:22:30 I wonder if you can poison demons now 14:22:32 with tso 14:22:39 i'm not sure if you're allowed to poison demons? you're definitely allowed to, say, cast poison arrow on the undead, though 14:23:04 <|amethyst> are you allowed to poison beasts? 14:23:14 // what even _is_ this return value? 14:23:15 if (qret) 14:23:15 return did_work; 14:23:20 oooh, good comment 14:23:22 is this on @crawlcode 14:23:48 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24:00 it is now 14:24:09 (unrand evocation, from evoke_item) 14:25:00 <|amethyst> yes, TSO does get mad when you poison demons 14:25:12 <|amethyst> (not when you hurt them with poison spells, though) 14:25:30 <|amethyst> just tested with sting and a red devil 14:25:50 mm, 400 lines of switch/case 14:26:01 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:02 ...nested switch/case 14:27:09 I guess qret is "should this unrand do the default evocation behavior" (e.g. reaching for polearms) 14:27:10 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:27:31 evoking items also still has so much code for deciding how much you victory dance evocations skill by 14:27:45 (which is relevant for auto training, somehow, i guess???) 14:28:00 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:01 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 14:30:25 <|amethyst> yeah 14:30:46 <|amethyst> exercise is what sets the auto training weight 14:31:51 actually, there's a triply nested switch here. 14:31:56 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:38:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:49 -!- WTFace has quit [] 14:39:19 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:52 -!- RBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:47:27 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-757-g15d63d9: Don't start with food in slot e (#10163) 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/15d63d99ab4e 14:47:53 when we start players with full inventories, this will REALLY mess things up! 14:48:03 <|amethyst> I was just thinking about that 14:48:21 <|amethyst> well 14:48:27 <|amethyst> potions starting on q 14:49:10 <|amethyst> with full inventory it's only a problem if we give the food last and somehow skipped slot e before that 14:49:50 <|amethyst> 52 slots' worth of food perhaps 14:49:59 <|amethyst> Meat Knight 14:50:37 fr 14:51:21 <|amethyst> You slash the goblin with the +2 capocollo {smoked} 14:52:07 <|amethyst> You pick the door with the lox. 14:53:46 -!- fruitloops7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:57:36 need meatgod first 14:57:42 gives piety for killing plants 14:57:46 (currently no god does that) 14:57:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:56 only if it can work with 14:57:57 meatsprint 14:58:10 fedhas gives non-negative piety for killing plants, technically. 14:58:12 I think. 14:58:14 -!- FireSight has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:58:27 uh, no? 14:58:53 <|amethyst> not the hostile ones 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:13 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:00:45 <|amethyst> btw, did anyone notice that slime creature farming bug on mantis? 15:01:07 <|amethyst> apparently KILL_DISMISSED started awarding XP with the monster death refactor 15:01:29 I think that's probably the &G thing I noticed 15:01:36 <|amethyst> ah 15:01:39 I did see that bug and then forgot about it 15:01:54 <|amethyst> !bug 10161 15:01:55 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10161 15:01:57 dcss puddings 15:02:01 <|amethyst> "the large slime creature of experience" 15:02:09 <|amethyst> as the bug title says :) 15:02:24 I appreciated the super mario reference 15:02:35 <|amethyst> heh 15:04:01 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:45 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-758-gb812164: Fix handling of innate/divine spells cast using your_spells 10(12 minutes ago, 8 files, 63+ 42-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b812164c383a 15:06:49 Mibe (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(weight(end - 1) > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 90 failed. (Pan) 15:10:39 <|amethyst> !crashlog 15:10:40 13427. Mibe, XL27 DsWz, T:118678 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Mibe/crash-Mibe-20151212-200646.txt 15:10:59 <|amethyst> hmm 15:11:10 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:14 <|amethyst> div_rand_round -> random_var::init() 15:11:25 Mibe (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(weight(end - 1) > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 90 failed. (Pan) 15:12:06 -!- IceBlind has quit [] 15:14:31 -!- vale__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:20 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:17:43 Mibe (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(weight(end - 1) > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 90 failed. (Pan) 15:18:05 Mibe (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(weight(end - 1) > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 90 failed. (Pan) 15:18:53 -!- zzzzzz has quit [Quit: Account terminated by the PanicBNC Staff Team.] 15:19:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:20:57 |amethyst: initially I was going to move the stasis and clarity effects onto a single amulet that converted the blocked effects into contam. Then after discussing w/ MarvinPA and elliptic, I realized that the new amulet design was bad and that stasis and clarity amulets don't need to exist at all. 15:21:27 why do you hate mummies 15:21:28 FR remove all amulets 15:21:53 move any interesting effects into aux armor egos 15:22:07 shooting a sleeping needle while heroism is active crashes the game 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10166 by mibe420 15:22:07 fuck mummies, fuck felids, fuck octopodes too 15:22:07 That seems like a good approach 15:22:12 c h a o s r e i g n s 15:22:16 mummies can wear aux armour 15:22:24 PleasingFungus: Put them all on hats, then remove felids. Problem solved. 15:22:27 they cannot quaff cure while confused however 15:22:49 kvaak: obviously clarity isn't interesting enough to be an aux armour ego :smugface: 15:22:57 add all removed effects onto hat of the alchemist 15:23:00 that's not a real emote in anything. 15:23:08 amalloy: done and done 15:23:15 deep elf elementalist: http://sprunge.us/PZdL 15:23:24 that's odd, PleasingFungus, my client rendered it as a picture of you 15:23:29 lol 15:23:33 nooooo 15:23:47 mummies can still worship Ash; of course, the main thing w/ clarity is that it lets you worship Xom as a mummy without crying. 15:24:00 it also prevents you from dying because you got confused 15:24:06 So does MR tho 15:24:15 MR has no interaction whatsoever with tarantellas 15:24:19 true 15:24:33 AC/EV interact w/ that tho 15:24:34 you can use sack of spiders to confuse orbs of fire 15:24:36 at least theoretically 15:24:43 I'm fairly sure AC doesn't affect it either 15:24:51 It has to deal damage to apply 15:24:54 like most AF_s 15:25:02 !send Lasty AF_HUNGER 15:25:03 Sending AF_HUNGER to Lasty. 15:25:06 <.< 15:25:11 yeah, what dick did that??? 15:25:26 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:29:42 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:18 does proficiency in one elemental skill still make the opposing elemental skill more difficult to level up? 15:30:48 no 15:31:04 not since 0.14 or maybe even 0.13 15:31:16 ah, cool, thank you, amalloy 15:33:15 mm I have to say that that elementalist design does serve the intended purpose 15:42:17 ??amulet of reflection 15:42:17 amulet of reflection[1/1]: The amulet of reflection gives you a variable amount of SH and the reflection status, allowing you to reflect projectiles shot at you as if you had a shield of reflection, whether or not you do. 15:42:21 huh 15:42:38 this seems swappable 15:42:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:00 !swap PleasingFungus 15:43:21 * PleasingFungus switches places with his design document! 15:43:26 Grunt: did you read the design document 15:43:32 I'll read your elementalist thing if you read my design doc. 15:43:32 ? 15:43:42 was this the 24 page thing or something else 15:43:49 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:ally_god 15:43:51 ! 15:43:52 24 page thing? 15:44:02 oh you mean the old lair thing 15:44:04 rip 15:44:06 rip 15:44:12 I should just delete that, it's even more dead now 15:44:18 since you landed orc/elf 15:45:10 only some of it! 15:45:19 you squashed orc, right? 15:45:24 or did you just remove plainorcs 15:45:26 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:27 orc is two levels 15:45:31 yeah 15:45:34 !remove PleasingFungus 15:45:43 should there be some kind of spell flag for "can be used by monsters when out of sight"? I hate long || chains 15:45:58 yeah I was wondering that 15:46:00 I guess it'd have to be a flag on spells in mon-spell, not in spl-data 15:46:23 for lost souls 15:46:37 PleasingFungus: yeah, it's swappable, but not in a problematic way, IMO. When problematic swaps are brought up, generally rings of protection and EV aren't anywhere near the top of the list. 15:46:40 but then you'd have to be careful that all monsters with dig got it. but maybe that's ok? 15:47:02 PleasingFungus: the penalty for swapping them out is that you lose a generally-useful trait (SH) 15:48:24 Grunt: I, personally, would (a) pull the mons_cast logic for AWAKEN_EARTH into a little static function and (b) reverse the if/else, because I am allergic to indentation. 15:48:29 those are nits, obviously. 15:48:45 nit a big deal. 15:48:46 * Grunt picks PleasingFungus' nits. 15:48:51 Lasty: reasonable! 15:50:32 aside from the code quality stuff, sounds perfectly reasonable 15:50:37 and even that's nbd 15:50:59 I'll probably get wheals' opinion on this since the spell was his idea 15:51:11 well the basic concept was his; I just fleshed it out :) 15:51:19 Yeah, I sort of realized mid project that the reflection code wasn't a great match for my approach. I'm gonna have to refactor it at some point soon. 15:51:28 !refactor Lasty 15:51:48 oh god, my methods! 15:51:57 PleasingFungus: a thought occurred to me as I was writing the mons_cast logic 15:52:00 which was 15:52:03 can we just 15:52:05 assign these functions as data somehow 15:52:14 banish the switch statement to the reflog 15:52:15 of course. 15:53:07 it's totally doable. 15:53:21 just, a lot of tedious work for all of our tens of thousands of spells. 15:53:23 (estimate.) 15:54:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 15:55:37 !send tedium PleasingFungus 15:55:37 Sending PleasingFungus to tedium. 15:55:43 maybe we should write up an implementable for it 15:55:55 pawn it off on some poor unsuspecting prospective dev 15:55:56 >.> 15:56:01 that's cruel 15:58:52 that gives me an idea for something else I can write up as an implementable, actually, but I'll write up the first one first 15:59:08 (also wow, we have a lot of old open implementables ) 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:19 !implement Grunt 16:02:37 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:02:41 hm 16:02:45 another random-var crash 16:08:01 Refactor of mons_cast() to treat spell implementations as data 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10167 by sgrunt 16:09:52 hm 16:10:01 just thought of a way to handle dependencies in durations 16:10:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 16:12:11 wow 16:12:14 we're going negative, somehow 16:12:17 this doesn't seem right 16:13:36 <|amethyst> I'm on it 16:13:50 <|amethyst> it's negative but it's going to be minned later 16:14:01 ...max'd, surely? 16:14:05 <|amethyst> err, yeah 16:14:26 <|amethyst> div_rand_round does the rounding wrong if the number is negative 16:14:33 and, in this case, crashes 16:14:46 this is player-act.cc:287, yeah? if you got that far then I'll leave you to it 16:14:53 <|amethyst> in this case, it rounds a number that could be -8 to -6 always to -2, and has -1 with a weight of 0 16:14:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:15:04 <|amethyst> yeah, but player_act doesn't need to change really 16:15:10 <|amethyst> I guess it could 16:15:26 <|amethyst> but I'm making div_rand_round(random_var, int) work 16:15:37 hm 16:15:42 ??speed 16:15:42 speed[1/2]: A brand that lets you attack 1.5 times as fast. Weapons that can get the speed brand: short blades (except quick blade), staves, artefacts. 16:15:46 ??speed[2 16:15:46 move delay[1/1]: Movement delays are: naga 14, human 10, flying tengu or running 9, felid 8, centaur 7, spriggan or bat 6. Chei ******: add 10 to non-naga, 14 to naga. Slow or Statue form: multiply by 3/2. Haste or Berserk: multiply by 2/3. Swiftness: multiply by 3/4 or 3/2. 16:16:17 <|amethyst> the order was swapped because now weapon_min_delay takes speed brand into account 16:16:20 do speed weapons no longer go below the normal min delay for a weapon? 16:16:22 oh 16:16:27 I see 16:16:29 <|amethyst> that was for a messaging fix 16:16:34 @, right? 16:16:41 <|amethyst> yeah, that or something like it 16:16:43 <|amethyst> maybe xv 16:16:47 <|amethyst> err, i 16:17:24 everything is xv 16:18:13 Treat vaults as transparent by default 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10168 by sgrunt 16:18:33 has anyone mentioned that monster_die is a bad function 16:20:01 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:19 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:38 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:57 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:53 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:19 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-759-g4eb6328: Comment a mystery parameter 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4eb632844331 16:24:35 Grunt: is that issue, 10168, related to the Crypt layout shenanigans? 16:24:59 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:30 johnstein: partially, though I think the issue there is more "these are Big Vaults™" 16:25:35 ok 16:25:45 johnstein: it's most relevant for e.g. david_glass_crypt which can be traversed w/o entering the vault 16:28:53 isn't "clarity still in 16:35:46 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:57 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:13 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:41 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 16:46:16 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-760-g55aab9cf: Handle negative numbers in div_rand_round(random_var) (#10167) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/55aab9cf4bcb 16:47:08 |amethyst: you closed the wrong bug :) 16:47:09 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:17 <|amethyst> gah 16:47:56 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:13 <|amethyst> at least I was consistent about it 16:49:02 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-761-g1cb2259: Tag david_glass_crypt as transparent; enable other layouts for it. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1cb22596497b 16:49:02 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-762-g0b2b09a: Tag some Tomb entries as transparent. 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b2b09af0cc1 16:51:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:33 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:42 <|amethyst> (that div_rand_round change does depend on having C++11, since in C++03 rounding of integer / on negative numbers was unspecified 16:53:45 <|amethyst> ) 16:54:02 has cszo been updated with the orc changes yet 16:54:12 Amulet of Rage not working. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10170 by gorgo 16:54:12 Amulet of Clarity no Longer Represses Confusion 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10169 by bcadren 16:57:04 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-763-g67ec5ad: Tag grunt_megastairs_* as transparent. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/67ec5adcff2c 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:24 Lasty: these amulet bugs are caused by your changes to player.cc 17:01:44 grunt: ah, thanks, for the confirmation. I was just recompiling to test it 17:01:54 !blame Grunt 17:01:54 I pronounce Grunt... Guilty! 17:02:01 !blame Lasty 17:02:01 I pronounce Lasty... Guilty! 17:02:05 <|amethyst> in particular, ret = item->plus 17:02:14 Amulet of Resist Corrosion does not work 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10171 by gressup 17:02:14 <|amethyst> err, ret += item->plus 17:02:30 <|amethyst> Now we see the true face of amulet reform! 17:02:33 oh, yeah, that's not good 17:02:41 <|amethyst> need EQ_AMULET and EQ_AMULET_PLUS 17:02:48 <|amethyst> if you're going to scan that way 17:02:50 Now that amulets don't work, people will love having me replace them 17:03:23 amulet of clarity also doesn't work 17:03:28 oh already reported 17:03:44 <|amethyst> or don't add EQ_AMULET_PLUS and in player_shield_class explicitly get the plus of the amulet 17:04:13 |amethyst: I'm inclined to put in EQ_AMULET_PLUS 17:04:15 <|amethyst> looks like that's the only place that cares about wearing() reporting the number of plusses 17:04:24 in case it's needed elsewhere in the future 17:05:23 that would be 17:05:24 a plus 17:05:37 <|amethyst> I wonder if there's any reason not to remove EQ_RINGS_PLUS2... does anything marshall EQ_ numbers? particularly fake ones > NUM_EQUIP 17:05:51 I don't think so? 17:05:52 Grunt! 17:05:56 Did you break your glasses? 17:05:59 !glasses 17:06:00 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 17:06:01 !glasses 17:06:01 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 17:06:02 !glasses 17:06:02 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 17:06:03 <.< 17:06:09 Normalcy restored 17:08:08 !tell gammafunk I discovered ggplot and I'm trying to automate some chart-buildin for objstats. http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/dbro-stats/test.Vaults.1-5.100/Vaults5monsters.png 17:08:09 johnstein: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 17:08:14 <|amethyst> Grunt: if they're intended to be no harder than the rest of the level, should they have no_monster_gen to make up for the guaranteed monsters? 17:08:18 also, EQ_RINGS and EQ_RINGS_PLUS are basically identical. Seems like they should be a single case with an if statement in it. Also, why would slots == EQ_AMULET in case EQ_RINGS? 17:08:35 |amethyst: hm 17:08:48 <|amethyst> Lasty: for (int slots = EQ_LEFT_RING; slots < NUM_EQUIP; slots++) 17:08:55 <|amethyst> Lasty: to handle octopodes 17:09:22 |amethyst: oh, ah 17:09:27 <|amethyst> Lasty: the alternative would be to change both bounds of the loop for octopodes instead 17:09:41 fair nuff 17:10:25 <|amethyst> combining them with a ret += (slot == EQ_RINGS_PLUS ? item->plus : 1); sounds fine 17:10:38 <|amethyst> I assume you're doing the same for amulets 17:10:57 yeah 17:11:57 <|amethyst> could combine all four with if ((slots == EQ_AMULET) != (slot == EQ_AMULET || slot ++ EQ_AMULET_PLUS)) continue 17:12:04 <|amethyst> but maybe that's less readable :) 17:12:28 <|amethyst> s/++/==/ 17:15:14 <|amethyst> Lasty: hm, when you're doing the same for amulets, are you folding it into default: rather than into case EQ_AMULET: ? 17:16:05 -!- Prats has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:17:01 I didn't been, but I probably should. That seems to do more or less what I want... 17:17:38 <|amethyst> Lasty: another option is to split if ((item = slot_item(x) && item->sub_type == sub_type && (calc_unid || item_type_known(*item))) into its own function so at 17:17:42 <|amethyst> s/ so at// 17:17:51 Is there a drawback to doing ret += (item->plus ? item->plus : 1); 17:18:17 -!- Dustbina is now known as R18 17:18:48 ??epic bugs[20 17:18:49 epic bugs[20/26]: E - cursed ring "Diygosh" {Str+2 Int+3 Slay+150} 17:18:57 don't assume item->plus has anything meaningful in it :) 17:19:23 <|amethyst> yeah, and I would be wary of changing the semantics in that way 17:19:25 Grunt: I was assuming it'd normally be 0... 17:19:30 bad assumption 17:19:34 but I know that's not necessarily a good idea 17:22:01 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:50 <|amethyst> Lasty: one problem is that, if an item subtype changes from having to not having a plus, old plusses are likely to be left over. 17:23:52 Mibe (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(weight(end - 1) > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 90 failed. (Pan) 17:24:45 we should probably rebuild cao after Lasty's fix 17:24:51 <|amethyst> Lasty: that said, looking over the callers to wearing(), it might not be unreasonable to do something like ret += (jewellery_has_pluses ? foo : bar) 17:24:59 is that the only server that built with my broken patch? 17:24:59 <|amethyst> Grunt: yeah, I was starting to rebuild 17:25:06 ya 17:25:09 <|amethyst> Grunt: then cancelled when the amulet started popping up 17:25:44 <|amethyst> Lasty: but that IMO makes it less clear when you call it what you're looking for 17:25:53 <|amethyst> s/amulet/amulet bugs/ 17:26:26 |amethyst: I think I'm going to go for the relatively low-refactor approach for now 17:26:35 I don't really trust my judgment right now 17:29:17 in doubt nerf casters 17:29:51 Always. 17:29:53 That's rule one. 17:29:57 ??rule one 17:29:57 I don't have a page labeled rule_one in my learndb. 17:29:59 aww 17:30:05 rip 17:30:08 ??rules 17:30:08 rules[1/7]: Remove 5 monsters for every monster you add. 17:30:10 <.< 17:30:18 -that- can't be right. 17:30:27 ??rules[7 17:30:27 rules[7/7]: RULE # 182: TEMPERATURE & HUMIDITY & LENGTH OF THE NIB & NIB SIZE CAN AFFECT WRITING WIDTH OF THE INKED LETTERS. 17:32:05 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:35 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:49 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33:54 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:27 03Lasty02 07* 0.18-a0-764-g970b532: Let amulets work again 10(87 seconds ago, 3 files, 6+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/970b5323ad61 17:36:51 time to rebuild CAO some more... 17:36:58 |amethyst: you wanna do it or shall I? 17:37:29 i was about to start a new game on CAO but it sounds like i might want to let it lie still for a bit 17:37:44 ??rebuild 17:37:44 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 17:37:50 <|amethyst> Lasty: go ahead 17:38:11 rebuild in progress 17:39:17 is cszo rebuilt yet 17:39:26 <|amethyst> %versions 17:39:27 <|amethyst> %version 17:39:28 trunk: 0.18-a0-750-g37044d6; 0.17: 0.17.1-1-g73c8601; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 17:39:29 and how would stasis being removed affect currently existing stasis amulets 17:39:46 <|amethyst> Lightli: they'll turn into reflection 17:39:52 <|amethyst> probably +0 though 17:40:40 hopefully no berserkers are stashing items on a teleport trap :p 17:40:53 I used to think that was a super clever idea 17:40:58 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:59 <|amethyst> johnstein: they just need a -Tele artefact then :) 17:41:00 johnstein: I also hope that but for different reasons 17:41:09 is clarity still a thing? 17:41:10 <|amethyst> Lasty: I marked 10171 and 10170 as duplicates so you just need to close 10169 17:41:14 <|amethyst> Lightli: yes 17:41:14 Lightli: yes 17:41:18 Lasty: heh 17:41:37 |amethyst: ah yea. no issue then. 17:41:39 |amethyst: hrrm. Should I have put in a tag to update stasis amulets to be +something amulets of reflection instead of probably-+0? 17:41:48 <|amethyst> Lasty: eh 17:42:01 I had the impression they were coming in as +5, but now that I think about it I'm not sure why I thoguht they 17:42:03 thought that 17:42:11 <|amethyst> Lasty: I'd change them to amulet of nothing instead :) 17:42:46 <|amethyst> Lasty: (but at this point I'd probably just leave them alone) 17:42:54 fair nuff 17:43:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:43:44 <|amethyst> but 17:43:51 <|amethyst> I guess the +0 amulets do give a benefit 17:44:12 <|amethyst> hmm 17:44:16 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:44:23 !curse |amethyst 17:44:43 <|amethyst> well 17:44:47 <|amethyst> if you're wearing a shield 17:44:57 or have bony plates on your arms 17:45:00 * Grunt points at PleasingFungus, then curses. 17:45:00 or have bone plates or divine shield or cshield 17:45:01 or worship Qazlal, etc. 17:45:36 <|amethyst> Lasty: hm, not sure if this might be a problem or not: 17:45:38 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:42 <|amethyst> if (is_reflectable(you.shield()) || you.reflection()) 17:46:09 <|amethyst> is_reflectable() has an extra check for if (range_used() > range) return false; 17:46:14 <|amethyst> which the amulet does not 17:46:21 so wait, amulets of reflection are a real thing now? i thought that was a joke 17:47:45 |amethyst: oh, hrrm. Yeah, that's probably not good. 17:48:09 <|amethyst> Lasty: also monster::shielded() returns true if they have a +0 amulet of reflection 17:48:21 <|amethyst> not sure how relevant that one is 17:49:00 <|amethyst> err, and player::shielded too 17:49:03 |amethyst: that'll only be relevant right after the conversion and in wizmode if people are being weird... 17:53:06 |amethyst: but yeah, I need to fix that range thing 17:53:12 got a patch going for that 17:53:32 <|amethyst> while you're at it 17:53:47 <|amethyst> I was going to do this but it might be near enough to conflict 17:53:57 <|amethyst> the "reflects off an invisible shield" message should be in an else 17:54:08 true! 17:54:10 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54:58 thanks for that 17:56:17 <|amethyst> I'll go ahead and push this shielded() fix since that's not nearby 17:56:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-765-gb606732: Be more careful about player/monster::shielded with +0 "Reflection. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6067329fbb5 17:56:35 thanks 17:57:06 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:52 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:58:04 PleasingFungus: did the code extraction: http://sprunge.us/SQFZ 17:58:15 probably going to hold off on further refactoring to see if this goes anywhere <.< 17:59:00 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:59:26 SUre. 17:59:39 !tell wheals http://sprunge.us/SQFZ 17:59:39 Grunt: OK, I'll let wheals know. 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:27 incidentally I rediscovered something which I vaguely remember noticing before and thinking it was a Bad Thing while I was working on this 18:01:41 !source mon-util.cc:2278 18:01:41 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#l2278 18:01:56 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:17 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:11 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-764-g970b532 (34) 18:06:59 woo. 18:09:46 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:09:59 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-765-gb606732 (34) 18:10:01 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:12:16 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:10 ??mantis 18:13:10 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 18:13:31 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:06 03Lasty02 07* 0.18-a0-766-g8d3d474: Fix more reflection bugs. (|amethyst) 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d3d47462ce5 18:17:09 Using XGD1! to annotate a different floor temporarily forgets exclusions 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10172 by amalloy 18:17:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:16 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:21:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:07 is cszo updated yet 18:23:19 . . . I don't think CSZO was affected? 18:23:39 !mantis 10169 18:23:40 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10169 18:33:20 ??reflection 18:33:20 reflection[1/2]: A shield of reflection will reflect blocked things back the way they came from. Mostly useless. Note that if you worship a deity that frowns upon certain attacks, reflecting those attacks will not cause penance. 18:33:24 ??dmsl 18:33:24 deflect missiles[1/3]: A level 6 Charms/Air spell that helps you dodge enemy ranged attacks (by reducing their to-hit roll (for evasion purposes only) *TO* a random amount between: 0% and 66% for penetrating beams, 0% and 50% for single-target missiles). In the books of Enchantments and Sky. 18:33:46 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:34:31 maybe I will: remove deep elf fighters and use the slot for deep elf archers instead 18:34:34 <.< 18:34:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:46 (raise your hand if you ever remember fighting a deep elf fighter outside of that one lair entry) 18:36:24 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:25 The build has errored. (master - 0b2b09a #4183 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96497906 18:36:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:36:51 rip... 18:37:09 (thanks timeouts) 18:38:36 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:38:41 there's a lair entry with deep elf fighters? 18:38:45 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 18:38:50 one deep elf fighter 18:38:56 <|amethyst> in a closet 18:39:06 <|amethyst> (that also contains the stairs) 18:39:19 duvessa? :p 18:39:30 Duvessa also doesn't count >.> 18:39:34 otherwise, yeh, they're meaningless elsewhere 18:39:46 by the time thye spawn normally 18:39:55 which may mean keeping them but making them show up earlier 18:42:06 -!- abrwalg has quit [Client Quit] 18:42:24 right now they primarily place in bands / as bands 18:42:29 (/ in vaults) 18:43:02 !tell johnstein the orcs_and_elves branch can probably be taken down as an experimental 18:43:02 Grunt: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 18:43:48 !lm * explbr=orcs_and_elves alive 18:43:48 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:43:53 157. [2015-12-11 06:35:12] smilodon the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 18:44:00 !lm * explbr=orcs_and_elves alive s=name 18:44:04 157 milestones for * (explbr=orcs_and_elves alive): 45x MrPlanck, 36x SomeoneAwful, 22x comborobin, 14x Haifisch, 5x Alethiolet, 2x BigBoss, 2x Magatonman, 2x jamcboston, 2x bleak, 2x noobcanoe, BudPuffington, jestert79, chukamok, zercules, seyes, smilodon, Zellion, dualclasshuman, mfucci, jalala, Rocknlol, Maggy, karth007, Ramon, apoch, jagang, damj95, HomeBoy124, zannacks, MrDespairSA, kosy22, C... 18:44:09 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:44:14 bummer 18:45:09 Grunt: newpakellas is going away tomorrow 18:45:18 I'm too nice and gave a notice this time 18:46:01 I get periodic complaints that old unavailable experimentals are polluting !lm 18:46:23 <|amethyst> IMO experimentals should work like sprint 18:46:35 <|amethyst> and not be listed unless you specifically ask for them 18:46:46 <|amethyst> in sequell I mean 18:46:51 johnstein: but my oldpakellas win...! 18:47:07 I agree with |amethyst. 18:47:13 Lasty: actually finished games are ok 18:47:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:47:19 thank god! 18:47:22 it's the !lm * alive 18:47:35 how do you access sprint games now? 18:47:45 <|amethyst> !lm * sprint alive 18:47:45 !lm * sprint 18:47:45 871. [2015-12-12 23:47:08] mumblz the Skirmisher (L4 MiFi) killed Sigmund on turn 64. (D) 18:47:46 977259. [2015-12-12 23:47:08] mumblz the Skirmisher (L4 MiFi) killed Sigmund on turn 64. (D) 18:48:22 so basically assume every !lg and !lm has an implicit explbr= 18:48:35 unless explbr is specified? 18:48:49 <|amethyst> yeah, something along those lines 18:50:42 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:51 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:44 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:39 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:56 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:10:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:57 Grunt: not sure new de mages should have so many spellsets, and also something should be done about the D:9-16 mon-pick-data entry (move deeper and merge with the other one?) 19:18:34 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:19:24 Grunt: the spell is just about what i was thinking; i was thinking of giving it to sorcerers but a new highlevel elf could work (IMO it should just have one spellset, though) 19:19:37 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:46 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:51 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 19:20:10 Grunt: i was also thinking of making it a lich spell, since i've heard zot:5 killholing recommended and it could be a fun surprise 19:22:13 wheals: spell set pruning ideas welcome (I tend to be bad at that) 19:22:25 the thing is, there are a *lot* of de mages in Elf 19:22:47 so I think having a non-trivial amount of variety there is probably a good thing 19:22:54 Grunt: maybe awaken earth, repel/deflect missiles, bolt of cold, bolt of fire for the elementalist (keeping it different from the annihilator, which focuses on single-target) 19:23:07 earth elemental (07E) | Spd: 6 | HD: 6 | HP: 34-56 | AC/EV: 14/4 | Dam: 40 | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 83 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 19:23:07 %??earth elemental 19:23:18 should be willing to shoot through them, too 19:24:00 i wonder about maybe re-splitting mages into conj/summoner monsters, but having ones with both can be interesting... 19:24:00 two bolt spells would make me :(, especially those two 19:24:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:24:46 hm... wizards and ogre mages have both, so that's not as unique as i thought 19:25:09 FIRE_ELEMENTALS, IRON_ELEMENTALS :P 19:25:16 no iron elementals!!!! 19:25:23 Deep Elf High Priests of Qazlal 19:25:29 -!- koolatron has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:25:32 no Q enemies!!!!!!!! 19:25:44 !upheave Grunt 19:25:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:56 %git ruin_everything 19:25:56 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1838-g5337e38: Implement monster use of Upheaval and Disaster Area. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 7 files, 160+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5337e385e280 19:26:33 -!- amalloy has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:26:33 -!- kramin has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:27:37 FR reflavor skeletons as Bone Elementals :) 19:27:45 !banish johnstein 19:27:45 Grunt casts a spell. johnstein is cast into the Abyss! 19:28:08 ...crystal bolt! 19:28:26 ...should stay on crystal guardians >.> 19:28:33 (todo: bring back the crystal colossus???) 19:29:08 on an unrelated note, several squashes later: http://sprunge.us/TDEY 19:29:26 !squash Grunt 19:29:34 (turns out I can do drop-in replacements in basically all cases) 19:29:42 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:38 maybe awaken, fireball, freezing cloud, {r/d}msl, unless those end up too destructive to other elves 19:32:11 heh, I like that 19:32:23 because it gives them a second purpose which awaken alludes to: 19:32:26 wake up everyone else!!!!! 19:32:35 as a coding aside, you could replace the adjacent_iterator with a fair_adjacent_iterator and remove the vector 19:33:56 and i'm not sure what the false is for, since that would only matter if you're on a wall (impossible) 19:34:00 er, in _mons_awaken_earth_target? 19:34:13 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:15 awaken sheeple. creates friendly yaktaur or sheeptaurs from nearby flocks of fluffy monsters 19:34:16 read carefully; this function doesn't do what you think it does 19:34:23 _mons_awaken_earth 19:34:31 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:32 ah 19:34:37 right 19:34:48 the former is for finding someone to cast it on? 19:35:01 the spell does not have to target a creature 19:35:24 monsters will use it to try to dig you out even if they can't see you 19:36:06 awesome :) 19:36:15 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:30 and yeah, I see what you mean in _mons_awaken_earth now 19:36:32 (for even more nitpick, _mons_awaken_earth_target could take a reference as well 19:36:36 ) 19:36:57 are deep earth troll mages or cacodemons getting it? 19:37:23 deep mage earth troll 19:38:07 flat earth troll 19:38:45 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:02 i was thinking of just keeping it for elves and maybe liches, and both of those do have two ways to destroy walls already 19:39:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:46 i like the ally god idea on the wiki 19:41:41 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 19:43:12 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:44:03 wheals: http://sprunge.us/BhIX 19:44:25 * wheals wondered for a second if you had coded up the god in the past four minutes 19:44:35 not even I code that quickly!!!! 19:45:45 Grunt: Isn't killholing already pretty nerfed with how the elves are patrolling now 19:45:59 it's still very possible 19:46:23 you have to work harder at it, but it is still possible 19:46:26 yeah, but everything in the back half is much more difficult to drag out safely 19:46:30 might be worth adding something to the monster's description about how they can dig towards you and surround you (and either way 19:47:11 are the earth elementals temporary like most summons or permanent like the abomination making spell 19:47:23 they are summons 19:47:37 and, not so sure about keeping the ETC_FLASH 19:47:43 ya 19:47:47 better colour idea welcome :b 19:48:03 i guess all the bright ones are taken? 19:48:09 maybe I'll make them LIGHTRED after fighters go away >.> 19:48:28 so poisonous cloud/freezing cloud are crippled with elementals and dancing weapons in the mix, killholing is about to get taken down... 19:49:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:53:09 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:53:29 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:54:19 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:13 -!- Placid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:00 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 20:05:38 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:36 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:13:44 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:38 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:21:01 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:25:27 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:27:32 ??plan 20:27:32 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 20:28:23 should package all three of these together I guess 20:28:24 http://sprunge.us/hdij 20:30:05 heh, deep elf fighters are described as strong deep elf soldiers 20:31:18 what's a deep elf soldier again 20:31:19 <.< 20:31:30 and now deep elf archers are deep elf fighters 20:31:39 (so are deep elf knights!) 20:32:05 aha 20:33:01 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:34:35 should deep elf knights continue to get bows? 20:35:35 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:35:48 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:36:25 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:36:27 ? 20:36:29 !crashlog 20:36:30 !crashlog Rakdos 20:36:30 13434. Rakdos, XL27 DsFi, T:105034 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Rakdos/crash-Rakdos-20151213-013623.txt 20:36:31 3. Rakdos, XL27 DsFi, T:105034 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Rakdos/crash-Rakdos-20151213-013623.txt 20:36:41 good map 20:36:44 oops 20:36:49 !blame Grunt 20:36:50 I pronounce Grunt... Guilty! 20:36:55 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:37:28 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:38:13 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-767-g9866750: Don't crash in conjurer ziggurats. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9866750c9607 20:39:01 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:39:48 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:01 Rakdos (L27 DsFi) (Zig:1) 20:40:02 The build was broken. (master - b606732 #4186 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96506035 20:40:02 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:40:35 <|amethyst> can anyone else access build status on travis? 20:40:35 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:40:48 |amethyst: for what purpose? 20:40:53 <|amethyst> wheals: re my message 20:41:00 <|amethyst> wheals: the problem isn't when you search for "shop" 20:41:00 |amethyst: do you want to see what's breaking, or? 20:41:08 <|amethyst> wheals: it's when you search for "jewellery" 20:41:21 <|amethyst> Grunt: yeah, I get "There was an error while loading data, please try again" 20:41:29 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-767-g9866750 (34) 20:41:39 "ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 481: invalid slot 105 for monster::wearing()" 20:42:28 |amethyst: and i 20:42:33 |amethyst: one line fix; I can fix it 20:42:37 |amethyst: and i'd assume people still want it summarized 20:43:23 <|amethyst> wheals: so if you want to show all jewellery in the game, do jewellery && !shop ? 20:43:42 <|amethyst> I guess that's workable 20:43:42 no, that wouldn't show the ones in shops since they have in_shop 20:43:48 <|amethyst> oh 20:44:17 i guess if you want it just if you search for "shop", then the only thing you can do is special-case the word 20:44:31 * Grunt just verifies that this does what he expects it to... 20:44:47 <|amethyst> Grunt: one-line, not two? 20:45:08 err 20:45:09 yes 20:45:09 two 20:45:29 you probably have this fixed already then? :) 20:45:29 <|amethyst> probably you have the same fix that I got, so go for it :) 20:45:37 <|amethyst> oh 20:45:50 <|amethyst> well, somebody :) 20:46:27 (just making sure that I can reproduce the crash) 20:47:02 done 20:47:10 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-768-gdcbc33c: Don't crash on projectiles hitting monsters. 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dcbc33c91e74 20:47:36 <|amethyst> yep, same as mine :) 20:47:45 is it 100% byte-identical? :) 20:47:56 !source _dazzleable 20:47:58 Can't find _dazzleable. 20:48:03 !source _dazzlable 20:48:04 Can't find _dazzlable. 20:48:05 hm 20:48:17 !source _dazzle_can_hit 20:48:19 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc#l2680 20:49:04 i think it should fix both #10150 and #8509 to invert both return values 20:49:16 i.e. return !testbeam.ignores_monster(mons); and return true; 20:49:21 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:05 ah 20:50:10 imo do that then 20:50:15 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-768-gdcbc33c (34) 20:51:23 i'll get around to it, soon 20:51:24 fsvo soon 20:51:41 !bug 10150 20:51:42 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10150 20:51:45 !tell gammafunk http://sprunge.us/RJGg 20:51:46 Grunt: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08:13 <|amethyst> Grunt: diff was byte-identical, but not the commit obviously 21:09:42 <|amethyst> Lasty: idea: clarity + stasis + rmut all on one amulet 21:10:54 <|amethyst> btw 21:10:59 <|amethyst> .jugged devteam 21:11:00 No keyword 'devteam' 21:11:02 <|amethyst> .jugged @devteam 21:11:03 1. [dam=26;tdam=26] neil the Earth Mage (L15 GrEE of Dithmenos), slain by a juggernaut skeleton (led by a necromancer) on Depths:1 on 2015-12-13 01:37:25, with 75566 points after 30058 turns and 1:24:12. 21:11:11 <|amethyst> I was already dead, but good work 21:11:37 .cobbed @devteam 21:11:39 1. gammafunk the Axe Maniac (L24 HOGl of Trog), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2015-11-22 06:09:57, with 487702 points after 51418 turns and 2:27:26. 21:11:41 good 21:11:45 .sparked @devteam 21:11:46 No games for * (ckiller=spark_wasp @devteam). 21:11:49 .ironed @devteam 21:11:50 No games for * (ckiller=iron_giant @devteam). 21:12:44 i'd suggest not doing depths at xl15 :) 21:12:51 * wheals is an expert at dying in depths 21:12:57 !lg wheals depths s=cikiller 21:12:58 16 games for wheals (depths): 2x a tentacled monstrosity, a wizard, an ancient lich, a titan, an ettin, a deep elf annihilator, a golden dragon, a Shadow Fiend, an ice devil, a shadow dragon, a stone giant, a fire dragon, a hell knight, , a shapeshifter 21:13:04 !deathsin depths 21:13:06 8090 games for * (place=depths ktyp!=quitting|leaving|winning): 72x qw, 52x comborobin, 35x Sharkman1231, 34x 4tharraofdagon, 30x LogicNinja, 30x Vidiiot, 28x GauBot, 27x agentgt, 26x Shard1697, 25x edsrzf, 25x kraphead, 24x Suckerboh, 23x nago, 23x kazak, 23x tstbtto, 22x rjrrt, 22x HilariousDeathArtist, 22x axecop, 22x Chiseanne, 21x moose, 20x enigmoo, 19x SaintRoka, 19x Svalbardcaretaker, 19x ... 21:13:10 !lg . depths s=cikiller 21:13:10 !lg wheals depths min=xl 21:13:11 7 games for Grunt (depths): 3x a spriggan berserker, a hell knight, an ogre mage, a vampire knight, a water elemental 21:13:12 16. wheals the Minotaur Blade (L17 MiBe of Trog), blasted by a wizard (bolt of lightning) on Depths:1 (golem_gauntlet_mu) on 2013-11-13 00:55:54, with 188171 points after 51601 turns and 2:11:54. 21:13:17 i used to be tied for the winner 21:13:25 !lg * depths min=xl 21:13:26 8196. Inferior the Shield-Bearer (L1 FoFi), blasted by a fire dragon (blast of flame) on Depths:4 on 2015-05-09 12:32:32, with 0 points after 34 turns and 0:00:43. 21:13:29 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:29 hahahaha 21:13:29 volteccerjack put up a good fight though 21:13:37 !lg * !fo depths min=xl 21:13:38 7801. splat the Unseen (L9 SpAr of Ashenzari), hit from afar by a stone giant (large rock) on Depths:3 on 2014-03-23 02:34:51, with 3573 points after 3130 turns and 0:16:23. 21:13:42 splat 21:13:46 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:01 !lg * fo xl=1 !boring s=-place 21:14:04 15108 games for * (fo xl=1 !boring): Depths:1, Lair:8, Bazaar, Depths:4, Abyss:5, Orc:3, Depths:3, Lair:2, Lair:7, Pan, Elf:3, 2x Bailey, 2x D:24, 2x Orc:1, 2x Orc:4, 3x D:21, 3x Lair:4, 3x D:26, 3x Lair:1, 4x Sewer, 4x D:25, 4x D:22, 5x D:19, 5x D:20, 5x D:23, 5x D:17, 6x Lab, 7x D:18, 11x Ossuary, 11x D:27, 20x Temple, 33x Abyss:4, 52x D:16, 70x D:9, 71x D:10, 79x D:12, 82x D:13, 86x D:8, 94x D:... 21:14:37 !lg * d:27 min=xl 21:14:38 616. syllogism the Ducker (L1 SpTh of Elyvilon), demolished by Boris on D:27 on 2008-08-07 10:35:48, with 164 points after 58032 turns and 0:48:49. 21:15:24 !lg * fo xl=1 bazaar 21:15:26 1. nooodl the Charlatan (L1 FoAr), starved to death in Bazaar (bazaar_jpeg_oval) on 2014-04-18 21:35:51, with 0 points after 1018 turns and 0:00:54. 21:16:00 ?/turn 27 21:16:01 Matching entries (1): 27[22]: [2014-04-18 21:57:57] nooodl the Charlatan (L1 FoAr) entered the Depths on turn 27. (D:15) 21:16:08 is that the same game!!! 21:16:43 !lm * br.enter=depths turns=27 -log 21:16:44 nooodl, XL1 FoAr, T:28: http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/nooodl/morgue-nooodl-20140418-215844.txt 21:16:49 aw 21:16:52 it isn't 21:17:00 !lg * bazaar xl=1 -log 21:17:02 1. nooodl, XL1 FoAr, T:1018: http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/nooodl/morgue-nooodl-20140418-213551.txt 21:17:40 ahahahahaha the depths one is evilmike_ambush 21:21:10 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:07 The build was broken. (master - 8d3d474 #4187 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96508721 21:22:07 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:23:44 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:45 The build was canceled. (master - 9866750 #4188 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96522409 21:23:45 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:24:24 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:25 The build was canceled. 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(master - 9866750 #4188 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96522409 21:24:37 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:24:40 ... 21:24:43 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:27:56 is it expected for me to be seeing ghosts in Elf now? 21:28:04 "A ghost. 21:28:06 The remains of a monster that existed in an older version, but has since been removed." 21:28:07 yes 21:28:10 because 21:28:14 %git HEAD^{/summoner} 21:28:14 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-754-geadaf5c: Merge deep elf summoners and conjurers into mages. 10(6 weeks ago, 31 files, 100+ 170-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eadaf5cd0ab4 21:28:32 so that's how the compile handles it when those are removed mid-game? weird 21:31:35 %git 8afd272e8 21:31:35 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2230-g8afd272: Ghostify any axed monsters. 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8afd272e8701 21:32:07 |amethyst: I like the idea of an amulet that transforms status effects into something different... 21:32:31 -!- yottam_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:32:48 amulet of absorption 21:34:56 the catch being that it gets hard to dilineate what gets covered 21:37:12 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:40 Amulet of Distillation? 21:37:57 amulet of alcoholism 21:38:05 Hepatic Amulet? 21:38:42 Grunt: I haven't looked in great detail, but does this change address the major issue that I and others felt was a problem with elf: comprised mostly of squishy elves? 21:39:12 I'm not sure how deep elf archers compare to other elves, I assume they have more ac (and through rmsl ev) 21:39:30 gammafunk: they're intended to be roughly on par with knights 21:39:44 not necessarily equal defensively (but would have more EV) 21:39:46 flask amulet, can store a potion in it for later 21:39:50 that will help at least 21:40:05 with the removal of fighters the lowest HD elf is HD 9 21:40:08 (mages) 21:40:27 also see: the first two commits, which have a different purpose 21:40:40 the blink on those archers felt pretty obnoxious, but maybe its frequency can be toned down at some point 21:40:44 I did 21:40:46 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:40:47 yeah I have to sit down and read it all 21:40:57 it's roughly half what you played against (iirc) 21:40:59 I saw the elementalists and their supporting spells 21:41:00 (maybe I went further) 21:41:02 that sounds good 21:41:14 wheals suggested the current spell set 21:41:18 also did you add deep sexy elves like we discussed 21:41:24 still working on that one. 21:42:00 final stupid question on my part (final only applies for a period of two hours) 21:42:15 I'd like to have a cloud generator that changes cloud types over time 21:42:19 for a pak overflow vault 21:42:36 I'm not sure if I'd have to go writing a new fog machine though 21:42:44 hm 21:42:47 that's 21:42:49 an interesting question 21:42:50 so if anyone has a pointer on that 21:43:05 I think it's possible w/o rewriting the fog machine 21:43:06 I can see basically what I'd need to do, but yeah if you have a pointer on that 21:43:06 but 21:43:13 would have to work out the lua black magic 21:43:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:43:31 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:43:31 I was going to just use a timed trigger and maybe replace the marker? 21:43:38 just don't know if that would work 21:43:42 ASSERT(sub_type < (int) misc_types.size()) in 'dbg-objstat.cc' at line 428 failed. 21:43:43 you *probably* don't need to replace the entirety of the marker 21:43:48 johnstein: o_O 21:43:49 oh, interesting 21:43:51 !source dbg-objstat.cc 21:43:52 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dbg-objstat.cc 21:44:09 ./crawl -objstat -iters 1 21:44:19 !source dbg-objstat.cc:428 21:44:20 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dbg-objstat.cc#l428 21:44:21 fyi 21:44:31 doesn't get past the first one. this is a slightly older version. maybe a week 21:44:35 (ty) 21:44:55 ah, probably something about 21:45:01 runes or something no longer being misc? 21:45:02 hrm 21:45:28 not sure, I'll try to run it on trunk 21:46:31 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/saves/crash--20151213-024332.txt 21:46:44 that's the crash report from above 21:53:18 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 21:54:14 Grunt: so what are your plans about deep elf mages in D 21:55:02 wheals: right now I need to see if they're actually noticeably more lethal than before or not 21:55:12 ah 21:55:18 I think they are rare enough that it is not going to make a difference 21:55:19 but 21:55:32 if it happens to make a difference, I'll probably move them deeper 21:55:34 yeah, i was out of the channel at the time, sorry 21:56:25 -!- FireSight has quit [] 21:56:26 i guess we can wait until then to deal with the duplicated entry as well 21:56:38 though it doesn't break anything to have two 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:34 -!- adamzap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:01:10 hm wonder if it could be the zig fig causing the crash. it's in tomb 22:01:15 fr: God of diving with the motto "Go deeper..." 22:01:50 make that the new wuln 22:02:18 <|amethyst> ITYM "Dig deeper..." 22:02:22 gammafunk: yea, it's tomb:3 22:02:28 I did snake:4 and all good 22:02:33 Tomb:1-2 and good 22:02:34 oh 22:02:41 almost done compiling trunk 22:02:45 johnstein: maybe zig figs 22:02:49 but I'm not sure 22:02:53 yea. that was my guess above 22:03:12 I'm not good at reading crash logs 22:03:43 oh yeah 22:03:43 sub_type = 15 22:04:06 bummer 22:04:09 !source tags.cc 22:04:10 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc 22:04:24 hrm, deck of wonders? 22:05:21 gammafunk: reminds me of W 22:05:22 <|amethyst> not quite 22:05:24 (the diving god) 22:05:29 <|amethyst> this isn't the item subtype 22:05:48 <|amethyst> ah 22:05:52 how did your idea of W being a "protect this zone" god work so far 22:06:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: zigfigs aren't in misc_types in itemprop-enum.h 22:06:37 |amethyst: MISC_ZIGGURAT 22:06:39 isn't that it? 22:06:42 ah 22:06:47 oh that's misc_item_type 22:06:51 this is the danger of rebasing a 1.5 year old patch 22:07:03 <|amethyst> yeah, below that 22:07:51 I get the same crash running ./crawl -objstat Zig:27 -iters 1 22:07:55 and no where else 22:08:04 oh yeah 22:08:10 johnstein: yeah we found it 22:08:22 I can fix this 22:08:26 woo 22:08:41 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-769-g39756d8: Changelog through 0.18-a0-768-gdcbc33c. 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 23+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/39756d891dfe 22:09:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:04 The build was fixed. (master - dcbc33c #4189 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96523085 22:09:04 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:09:07 \o/ 22:10:33 sigh, recompilation when changing that header... 22:12:17 wondered if anyone else saw, https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/3wb5i2/four_roguelikes_make_indiedb_top_100_games_of_the/cxuulnc, that there's an indiedb page for DCSS nobody owns 22:12:25 yeah I saw that 22:12:33 if you want to contact them about it, it'd be appreciated 22:12:43 <|amethyst> FR: reclassify DCSS from "indie" to "metal" 22:12:52 what kind of metal 22:12:57 no we're post-dubstep 22:13:06 cobalt, after kobolds 22:13:15 we're really more "amateur" than "indie" 22:13:30 aren't you all getting paid for this though 22:13:46 <|amethyst> I get paid $-99 a month 22:13:50 nicolae-: isn't it obvious 22:13:54 nicolae-: death metal. 22:14:01 Staircases improperly labelled (*) as used 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10173 by amaril 22:14:01 i suspect gammafunk of stealing my checks 22:14:16 !death Grunt 22:14:16 Death has come for Grunt... 22:14:19 !doom wheals 22:14:20 Grunt unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in wheals's mind! The doom hound bites wheals!!! x5 22:14:33 !cmd !doom 22:14:34 Command: !doom => .echo $nick unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in ${*}'s mind! The doom hound bites ${*}!!! x$(rand 4 6) 22:14:48 !cmd .echo $nick unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in ${*}'s mind! The $nick bites ${*}!!! x$(rand 4 6) 22:14:49 Unknown command: $nick unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in ${*}'s mind! The $nick bites ${*}!!! x$(rand 4 6) 22:14:49 if you're all not getting paid then what the heck has grunt been doing with my subscription fees 22:14:54 !doom Grunt 22:14:54 wheals unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in Grunt's mind! The doom hound bites Grunt!!! x6 22:15:03 !cmd !doom .echo $nick unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in ${*}'s mind! The $nick bites ${*}!!! x$(rand 4 6) 22:15:03 Redefined command: !doom => .echo $nick unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in ${*}'s mind! The $nick bites ${*}!!! x$(rand 4 6) 22:15:05 !doom Grunt 22:15:05 wheals unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in Grunt's mind! The wheals bites Grunt!!! x5 22:15:10 much better. 22:15:10 good 22:15:15 !doom 22:15:16 Grunt unleashes a terrible howl, and it begins to echo in 's mind! The Grunt bites !!! x5 22:15:22 yep, Grunt does bite 22:15:28 WhodaMan (L27 GrGl) ASSERT(you.see_cell(p)) in 'directn.cc' at line 1230 failed. (Zig:16) 22:15:33 !crash 22:15:34 13439. WhodaMan, XL27 GrGl, T:101623 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/WhodaMan/crash-WhodaMan-20151213-031512.txt 22:16:01 hm 22:16:04 every time someone dies on abyss 5 after getting banished there I get 5 dollars 22:16:08 or so I was promised 22:16:20 oh I forgot to mention the brooch of Shielding 22:16:36 ebering: you misunderstood, you have to pay me 5 dollars 22:17:00 amalloy: not my fault you restrict your audience to static video views! You need to go live and have song requests 22:17:24 wow this is still compiling 22:17:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-770-g5e51f97: Add a previously missed item to the changelog. 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e51f97336ef 22:17:54 static?! my videos are dynamic. your streams are static! same combo every day 22:18:28 !discharge amallow 22:18:30 er 22:18:31 rip 22:18:38 dang 22:18:50 * Grunt hits amalloy with the +4 arc blade {discharge, rElec}!!!!! 22:18:51 I guess multi holinesses will stay secret 22:19:05 ebering: it's basically a backend change :) 22:19:54 it has secret polymorph effects 22:19:55 well 22:20:05 not so secret 22:20:18 but mixed holiness monsters can poly to either holiness 22:20:37 <|amethyst> oh, err 22:20:50 <|amethyst> did you do anything special about MH_EVIL or MH_UNHOLY there? 22:21:02 <|amethyst> or can evil things polymorph into other evil things? 22:21:52 -!- yottam has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:27 evil things can poly into other evil things 22:24:28 it appears that there is not a distinction there 22:24:42 <|amethyst> are undead still invalid targets? 22:24:45 yes 22:24:59 wait hm 22:25:01 maybe not 22:25:10 <|amethyst> they are apparently invalid sources still 22:25:18 <|amethyst> ghost crab is unaffected by poly 22:25:43 crate (L18 HOAs) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Vaults:1) 22:26:32 |amethyst: most enemies that are MH_EVIL or MH_UNHOLY are also MH_NATURAL 22:26:42 the only enemy that isn't is the obsidian statue which is MH_NONLIVING | MH_UNHOLY 22:27:04 which is excluded on account of being a statue 22:29:28 <|amethyst> ah 22:29:36 <|amethyst> might be worth a comment about that then 22:29:58 <|amethyst> to be careful about marking non-MH_NATURAL creatures as MH_EVIL or MH_UNHOLY 22:31:01 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:31:16 we should update the comment in the mon-data.h header in any case 22:31:42 <|amethyst> then again, I guess the worst that happens is ‼excitement‼ 22:32:32 ‼scence‼ 22:32:35 *science 22:32:36 :( 22:32:50 ‼fun‼ 22:33:18 !! f u n !! 22:34:13 by the way, any progress on MH_ELDRITCH now? :) 22:34:26 <|amethyst> ebering: oh, hm... why does player::is_evil check for MH_UNDEAD, but not monster::is_evil ? 22:34:32 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:36 <|amethyst> ebering: and the reverse for is_unholy and MH_DEMONIC 22:35:59 possibly because they are wrong 22:36:34 <|amethyst> they should all four check two holinesses, right? 22:36:35 yes they're wrong 22:36:37 yes 22:38:19 Kenreth (L11 MuFE) (Lair:2) 22:38:26 <|amethyst> !crashlog 22:38:27 13441. Kenreth, XL11 MuFE, T:19267 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Kenreth/crash-Kenreth-20151213-033817.txt 22:38:46 <|amethyst> a different shield crash 22:40:08 Aim: Fannar, 22:40:53 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-771-gb8a567a: Properly list zigfigs in the list of miscellaneous items (johnstein) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8a567ad9203 22:40:57 ,, 22:41:00 <|amethyst> I have the fix 22:41:04 k 22:41:27 gammafunk: thanks! 22:42:19 !blame Grunt again 22:42:20 I pronounce Grunt again... Guilty! 22:42:54 gammafunk (or anyone else): were there any other things that last commit fixed? or does only objstat/mapstat care about that? 22:43:20 guess the commit message says it's probably limited to dbg 22:44:58 johnstein: recommend that you look for the references to misc_types (using something like grep) to see 22:45:35 gammafunk: ok. 22:45:42 it will only give you a sense of that unless you read the code pretty carefully, but one way to get better at C++ is by reading it 22:46:12 |amethyst: should I make a PR or will this be done by SWIM 22:46:23 <|amethyst> ebering: I'm on it 22:47:40 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:59 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:17 <|amethyst> (if you do that grep, you will find they are all in dbg-objstat.cc, which is a pretty good, but not 100%, confirmation that they only affect mapstat/objstat 22:50:20 <|amethyst> ) 22:50:41 <|amethyst> I was thinking for a minute that they might have been used for action counts 22:51:23 thanks |amethyst 22:55:26 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:27 The build passed. (master - 39756d8 #4190 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/96528473 22:55:27 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:43 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:57 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:28 Morbidden (L27 NaFi) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 481: invalid slot 105 for monster::wearing() (Zot:5) 23:08:36 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:08:37 <|amethyst> !crashlog 23:08:38 13443. Morbidden, XL27 NaFi, T:71686 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Morbidden/crash-Morbidden-20151213-040826.txt 23:09:13 <|amethyst> old 23:09:26 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:35 <|amethyst> I found another couple of bugs while working on that last crash (Kenreth's) 23:09:42 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-772-gd800d9e: Avoid another shield crash. 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d800d9eedea1 23:11:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-773-gf9a623e: Fix player::is_unholy and monster::is_evil (ebering) 10(28 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9a623e7623d 23:11:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-774-g9ee104a: Fix a missing message. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9ee104a1748e 23:11:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-775-g4d9e04e: Don't give monsters reflection when the player wears "refl. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d9e04eb7f1c 23:12:08 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:25 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:33 <|amethyst> it's not been around a whole day and I'm already buffing the item 23:17:35 -!- hypermatt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:46 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:26:26 power creep 23:27:08 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:25 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:12 is this a shield bug? wearing reflect ammy: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/yottam/crash-yottam-20151213-042143.txt 23:28:24 yes 23:28:26 wait for about 23:28:27 15 minutes 23:28:35 ty 23:28:39 actually cpo has probably already rebuilt 23:28:41 :) 23:28:48 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:41 are "reflection ammys random sh enchant upon generation? the commit said they were randomized 23:29:48 or that the sh was randomized 23:31:03 hrm, seems so 23:31:32 and we haven't changed their prevalence 23:31:51 nor would we really 23:32:24 this is kind of creating an unfortunate situation where amulets are getting a lot stronger 23:34:35 http://sprunge.us/eCiY 23:35:26 <|amethyst> Grunt: "applies effect" should be "applies effects" 23:35:32 er 23:35:32 yes 23:35:47 <|amethyst> why not keep chaos champions with the new spell? :) 23:35:54 hm 23:35:56 I could do that too 23:36:15 what new spell? 23:36:31 <|amethyst> second commit in that sprunge 23:36:33 Call of Chaos 23:36:39 basically "chaos battlecry" 23:37:18 ..give enemies in los chaos brand? 23:37:25 apply effects to allies in LOS 23:37:33 which are usually (~85% by my calculations) positive 23:37:36 ah 23:37:41 good for 23:37:41 oh 23:37:42 Mnoleg 23:37:44 <.< 23:38:28 I guess you could then put some of those in mnoleg's vault but 23:38:32 they'd be kind of just redundant 23:38:38 if he also had the spell, that is 23:38:48 <|amethyst> you could put them all over! 23:39:00 well I mean in addition to their normal placement 23:39:07 unless you mean all over in some broader sense 23:39:09 <|amethyst> hm, paralysis might be too high? 23:39:18 well 23:39:29 I basically took the old list and cranked up the weight of good effects 23:39:37 (BLINK is kind of in between so) 23:39:57 here it is as one patch w/o the removal: http://sprunge.us/bRPY 23:40:16 er 23:40:31 http://sprunge.us/bRPY 23:41:50 yeah given that 72 / 1172 chance of a bad effect 23:41:53 it'd probably work out ok 23:42:10 <|amethyst> FR: porkalator is on that list 23:42:13 oh right blink is kind of in-between 23:42:36 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:46 hrm, too bad there's not like 23:42:48 <|amethyst> maybe invis? 23:42:49 blink close 23:42:57 well 23:43:01 we can play with the list ofc :) 23:43:10 <|amethyst> there is a BEAM_BLINK_CLOSE actually 23:43:14 !send gammafunk BEAM_BLINK_CLOSE 23:43:14 Sending BEAM_BLINK_CLOSE to gammafunk. 23:43:15 no, after that commit we're freezing the repository forever!!!! 23:43:21 <|amethyst> haven't looked at what it does, but I assume... 23:43:31 BEAM_FIRESTORM 23:43:52 |amethyst: blinks the target closer to the "source" 23:43:58 heh 23:44:02 <|amethyst> ah 23:44:02 I approve! 23:44:07 so we could set the "source" to the player for that 23:44:16 <|amethyst> unravelling might be an interesting bad one 23:44:19 ! 23:44:25 <|amethyst> as a reset switch for all the good ones :) 23:44:43 just please...not more af_chaos 23:44:46 ...please... 23:44:51 !send gammafunk more AF_CHAOS 23:44:52 Sending more AF_CHAOS to gammafunk. 23:44:53 * gammafunk prays to Xom. 23:44:58 !send gammafunk Chaos Nexuses 23:44:58 Sending Chaos Nexuses to gammafunk. 23:45:28 so I'm going to try to use a trigger to replace the cloud type of a marker 23:45:33 <|amethyst> !rng xom xom xom xom xom xom xom 23:45:34 The RNG chooses: xom. 23:45:46 hopefully I can access markers somehow 23:45:48 <|amethyst> lucky 23:45:56 wonder if I can pass it and store it in my trigger thingy 23:46:01 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:15 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:42 the idea is pak is experimenting on golems 23:46:45 subjecting them to random clouds 23:46:55 sadly I can't use all types since some damage the golems 23:47:01 which would be kind of funny I guess 23:47:11 but it's a lot of message spam since they take a long time to die 23:47:36 so I'll go for ones that they're immune to, but I can use some cute ones like mutagenic and drain 23:48:40 turns out even elec golems will die if you put them in flame clouds 23:49:19 R18 (L22 KoAr) (Zig:1) 23:49:26 <|amethyst> !crashlog 23:49:27 13446. R18, XL22 KoAr, T:55048 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/R18/crash-R18-20151213-044917.txt 23:49:31 R18 (L22 KoAr) (Zig:1) 23:49:46 <|amethyst> huh 23:49:56 <|amethyst> !crashlog 23:49:57 13447. R18, XL22 KoAr, T:55048 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/R18/crash-R18-20151213-044929.txt 23:50:14 oh 23:50:15 tha 23:50:15 t 23:50:24 needs the zig rebuild 23:50:30 <|amethyst> aha 23:50:40 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:55 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:04 -!- tollymain has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:20 updated list: http://sprunge.us/BIgb 23:51:31 R18 (L22 KoAr) (Zig:1) 23:52:30 ...porkolater 23:52:59 why'd you make the good effects rarer? 23:53:06 because BEAM_BLINK_CLOSE is also there now 23:53:08 by like, a lot 23:53:13 oh 23:53:25 ??porkolater 23:53:26 porkolater ~ porkalator[1/3]: A unique spell of Kirke that transforms you (or anything else she sees) into a hog. You get faster movement (unless you're already moving quickly), but no equipment. Just run away and wait it out. 23:53:33 ah 23:53:42 !send johnstein hell hogs 23:53:43 well you didn't use ?diff in the url, so that means I'm not responsible for reading it properly 23:53:43 Sending hell hogs to johnstein. 23:53:51 http://sprunge.us/BIgb?diff 23:53:58 <|amethyst> I guess porkalator probably doesn't work that well in reality 23:54:12 you mean turning people into pigs in real life? 23:54:17 <|amethyst> :P 23:54:31 !learn add porkalator <|amethyst> I guess porkalator probably doesn't work that well in reality you mean turning people into pigs in real life? 23:54:32 porkalator[4/4]: <|amethyst> I guess porkalator probably doesn't work that well in reality you mean turning people into pigs in real life? 23:54:41 with modern gene editing technology... 23:54:43 <|amethyst> I mean, they will turn back into demons when Kirke dies 23:54:46 <|amethyst> etc 23:54:58 secret tech 23:55:08 <|amethyst> and it's permanent 23:55:13 <|amethyst> on monsters 23:55:32 it just means that once in a blue moon you get a hell hog running around 23:55:42 and you are left to wonder "where did *that* come from???" 23:55:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:55:45 "...oh" 23:55:47 "hahahahahaha" 23:55:49 <|amethyst> I guess that's true, 2/1000+ isn't that big 23:55:50 yeah, I mean it's cute but it's prime candidate for removal when a certain someone sees it 23:55:58 just sayin'! 23:56:23 it can last as long as this beautiful world allows it to 23:56:31 and then....the darkness of the abyss awaits it... 23:56:36 !banish it 23:56:37 Grunt casts a spell. it is cast into the Abyss! 23:56:55 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:58:13 <|amethyst> FR: a better abbreviation for Pakellas than P 23:58:19 Pak 23:58:23 <|amethyst> rude 23:58:28 >.> 23:58:28 * geekosaur still finds that one amusing 23:58:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: re that vault 23:59:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: would it be possible to use four fog machines (can you have multiple on one square?) with low frequency and with the phases offset? 23:59:16 hm 23:59:18 that may also be possible 23:59:20 <|amethyst> gammafunk: or N, where N is the number of clouds 23:59:44 |amethyst: I see what you mean 23:59:56 that'd probably achieve pretty much the same effect