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ZZZzzz…] 00:00:35 Stable (0.17) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17.0-25-gefc9c12 00:00:55 <|amethyst> good timing, Eksell 00:01:13 <|amethyst> or should I say, GOOD TIMING EKSELL 00:01:39 |amethyst, no worries, if I get into anything serious it'd definitely be through github :) 00:03:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:06:36 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:51 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:08 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:36 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:10:52 huh, i never realised throwing Hu gets one or two more ammo than throwing AM 00:12:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:12:34 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:36 <|amethyst> if you remove that you could remove that parameter too :) 00:12:53 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:20:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:01 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:44 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:36:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:41:15 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:41:30 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:49 i'm getting a ton of packet loss when pinging either of cao/cszo, but receiving loud and clear from cbro, or even from cdo, on the wrong side of the dang ocean. am i crazy? is something up with those servers? 00:47:15 i started investigating this because cao has been extremely laggy for me the past few days, whereas previously it has been a pleasure, so i don't think it is just icmp/ping problems 00:47:22 <|amethyst> I'm not having problems from here 00:47:44 <|amethyst> are you connecting from the same IP address you're on IRC with? (I imagine not) 00:47:59 cao is working fine for me 00:48:01 correct, i'm not. irc is going through a linode bouncer 00:49:19 i looked at traceroute, and it seems packtes to both servers are being lost either inside of atlas.cogentco.com (i guess cogentco is on the backbone between me and cao?) or datacate.net (hosting for both servers?) 00:49:32 but i guess if it is just me i can just play on cbro 00:49:36 <|amethyst> hm, I am getting a little packet loss to CAO actually 00:49:49 |amethyst: my last ping was as high as 29% packet loss 00:50:21 <|amethyst> I guess datacate.net is where CAO is 00:50:49 <|amethyst> CSZO is somewhere completely different 00:50:53 oh no, i'm remembering wrong. cszo didn't have the datacate node 00:50:59 <|amethyst> but it does seem that both ISPs have cogent as their upstream 00:51:17 <|amethyst> so it could well be a problem there 00:51:59 yeah. i guess i'll write it off as a transient cogent problem, and some other unrelated problems on my end the past couple days; if it's still broken tomorrow i'll re-bother you 00:52:20 <|amethyst> I can't do anything about CAO 00:52:47 <|amethyst> I have root, but I'm not a customer of the ISP or anything, you'll need to talk to r a x about that 00:52:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:53:15 <|amethyst> CSZO I could bug the ISP about, but honestly the chances of that accomplishing anything are small :/ 00:53:20 well, i'll ask you to confirm that it's still broken for you tomorrow then. thanks for confirming i'm not 100% nuts 00:53:24 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:53:35 <|amethyst> amalloy: private message me your IP address 00:53:44 <|amethyst> and I'll try pinging you from CSZO 00:54:16 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:47 -!- cr0ne_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:02 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17.0-25-gefc9c12 01:02:31 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:25 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:04:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-118-g58bf2d5 (34) 01:05:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:06:17 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:43 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:07 little ossuary entry http://sprunge.us/BZWd 01:10:17 i guess i can put these all in my des branch 01:12:04 <|amethyst> FR: ossuary cassowaries 01:12:50 those things are weird 01:12:54 and i say that as an australian 01:13:10 -!- dob has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:13:16 <|amethyst> ratites are weird in general 01:13:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:14:46 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17.0-25-gefc9c12 (34) 01:15:51 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:19:01 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:22 man, cralw has ruined me 01:19:26 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-118-g58bf2d5 (34) 01:19:28 i keep trying to navigate in vim with diagonals 01:20:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:40 # geh.des: Special maps for Gehenna. 01:21:40 # Content: (mini)vaults particular to Gehenna, and/or first appearing in 01:21:40 # Geh (order: Dis, Geh, Coc, Tar) 01:21:47 what does the "first appearing in" mean? 01:21:57 after a vault in this file is generated in Geh, it can generate elsewhere? 01:22:53 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:30:41 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 01:34:07 -!- Gorgo has quit [Client Quit] 01:35:11 <|amethyst> no (unless it has allow_dup) 01:35:38 <|amethyst> I'm not sure whether that means "first" in development chronology, or "first" as in "primarily" 01:36:28 hellion island is in there, for example, so I guess pan can get hell vaults? 01:36:37 or are there two hellion islands... 01:37:15 <|amethyst> yes, hellion isle (Geh) and hellion island (Pan) 01:37:39 chequers: it means a Hells vault appearing in multiple Hells, with Geh being the first of those in the given order 01:37:53 <|amethyst> ahh 01:37:55 that is, it can appear in more than one Hell 01:38:02 <|amethyst> one of them appears in Zot too 01:38:21 <|amethyst> hangedman_hellfire_club 01:38:34 <|amethyst> oh, a few actually 01:42:07 can't hellion island appear in zot? 01:42:37 <|amethyst> the vault doesn't say such, and it has a pan lord and rune so... 01:43:03 <|amethyst> (and hellion isle says just DEPTH: Geh) 01:43:05 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:45:15 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:36 hmm 01:45:44 maybe i was just thinking of acid_trip or something 01:45:59 "one of those horrifying lemuel maps" 01:46:05 <|amethyst> ??lemuel 01:46:05 lemuel[1/7]: Lemuel Vaults, Inc, supplying your evil vault needs for over 200 years. When it's time for you to stop playing and go to bed, Lemuel Vaults, Inc. is there to end your game "The Lemuel Way"(TM). 01:46:42 <|amethyst> ??lemuel[$ 01:46:42 lemuel[7/7]: Jazzimus: tell lemuel i said he's a jackass 01:47:21 <|amethyst> ??vault[2] 01:47:21 vault[2/9]: How to identify vault designers: oklobs=dpeg, fleshy orifices=Mu, elephants=due, things with too many tentacles=Lemuel, glass=everyone, excessive lua black magic=due 01:49:53 -!- Undo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:50:08 FR: update that list 01:50:14 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:50:34 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:50:54 I am too biased to do so ;) 01:51:27 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:54:03 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:57 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-118-g58bf2d5 01:59:52 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:38 Grunt: what do you mean? 02:00:57 Grunt: like, until you see it in Geh, it won't appear elsewhere? 02:01:16 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:03:13 fr, stop generating mundane hats 02:07:44 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:31 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:19:41 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:51 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 02:24:31 -!- zarath9 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:25:39 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:27:25 mundane hats are kind of lame 02:27:39 although you can at least enchant them if you have horns or antennae 02:30:22 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:32:56 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:36:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:15 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:00 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:47:11 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:18 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-118-g58bf2d5 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:49 hi, thanks for tuning into minmay's weekly pro linux tips. this week's tip: apparently, X11 will claim 1.2 GiB of video memory and then not use it, because I just switched to another session and back, and that freed 1.2 GiB of video memory 03:07:32 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:27 -!- plathrop has quit [Excess Flood] 03:11:59 -!- plathrop has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:27 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:47 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:15:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:19:06 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 03:19:23 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17.0-25-gefc9c12 03:21:08 !messages 03:21:08 No messages for TZer0. 03:22:50 wow, wispform is super annoying 03:23:14 uh 03:23:35 why do juggernaut skeletons look like regular person skeletons instead of giant skeletons in tiles? 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You shout in a high-pitched voice. 10:18:36 -!- Xelif_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:15 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:43 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:26:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:15 -!- Derobos has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27:50 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29:42 -!- ontamu_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:31:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:33:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:33:23 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:55 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:46:27 hm I should have added the list vaults in dump option to my rc 10:46:34 the vault I am in right now is a teleport closet 10:50:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:17 <|amethyst> !lm ebering x=src 11:03:18 764. [2015-11-18 15:50:54] [src=cao] ebering the Ninja (L24 SpEn of Dithmenos) reached level 5 of the Depths on turn 74719. (Depths:5) 11:04:39 ebering: Can't you can just save and add the option? 11:04:49 <|amethyst> the option doesn't do anything if you are alive 11:04:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:05:10 Right, but at end of game, you'll know what the vault was right 11:07:32 <|amethyst> ebering: ? I grabbed a copy of the save and it looks like you're in the open 11:07:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:13:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:14:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 11:21:47 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:18 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:44 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:39 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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14:35:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:36:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:00 it seems fairly reasonable for say, elementals, to be discordable 14:38:21 less so spatial vortices; perhaps replace the check with mons_is_object? 14:38:47 yeah I guess that seems like a reasonable fix for 0.17 14:39:08 and I agree that reconsidering the check for trunk might be a good idea 14:40:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:41:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:43:15 The queen bee calls on the killer bee to defend it! 14:43:15 The killer bee goes berserk! 14:44:05 The moth of wrath goads the emperor scorpion on! 14:44:05 The emperor scorpion goes berserk! 14:44:14 seems functional, will commit I guess 14:44:39 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:45:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:27 oh. that explains why i haven't seen a berserk emp. scorpion in some time now 14:49:50 and here i thought i had just gotten a lot better at targeting the moths for murder 14:50:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:50:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:51:40 -!- angelichorsey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:40 03elliptic02 07* 0.18-a0-119-g02a7081: Allow insects to go berserk again. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/02a7081604ce 14:55:53 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17.0-26-gececa24: Allow insects to go berserk again. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ececa246a159 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:50 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:03:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:53 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:15:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:22 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:16:15 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:01 -!- } has quit [] 15:21:29 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:26:13 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:44 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 15:46:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:48:03 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:04 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:50:05 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 15:52:22 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:55:18 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:55:38 <|amethyst> ohhh 15:56:05 <|amethyst> I had been wondering why the worms in that trog altar never went berserk despite the fact that we fixed that some time ago 15:56:34 <|amethyst> and bees :) 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:11 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 16:00:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:07:43 -!- piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:10:16 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17.0-26-gececa24 16:13:06 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:29:12 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:30:53 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:18 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:29 -!- PsyMar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:35:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:35 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:39:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:34 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:00 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:51:43 -!- angelichorsey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:48 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:28 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:28 !lg * t ikiller=queen_bee 17:08:29 14. jasper the Spear-Bearer (L10 MiMo of Elyvilon), slain by a queen bee (kmap: special_room; special_room_bee) on D:10 on 2015-11-18 01:44:20, with 4345 points after 9389 turns and 0:15:16. 17:08:41 !lg * t0.16 ikiller=queen_bee 17:08:41 18. soul the Fighter (L10 MiMo of Okawaru), succumbed to a queen bee's poison on D:9 on 2015-03-29 14:47:32, with 5408 points after 5233 turns and 0:20:31. 17:09:13 hm. can you search for deaths due to berserked monsters? 17:09:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:10:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:10:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:11:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:34 no 17:15:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:56 you can filter for dam higher than the monsters base damage 17:16:23 also killer bees in special_room_bee don't have ikiller=queen_bee unfortunately 17:16:24 but that's only deaths from a bersked monster that happened to roll above its usual base damage 17:17:07 that's true, although you can just use the kmap as a filter then? 17:17:31 ah, you mean for johnstein's query there 17:21:06 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:28:12 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:30:51 :D 17:31:34 maybe berserk spell could set ikiller 17:32:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:40:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:42:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:43:38 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:44:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:44:46 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 17:46:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:47:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47:46 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:20 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:59:06 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/173 * 0.18-a0-79-gd838179: Little Ossuary entry vault. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d83817969a63 17:59:06 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/173 * 0.18-a0-80-g80b13ec: Tweak teleport location in ice_cave_statue_garden_01. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/80b13ec3031e 17:59:20 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 17:59:53 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:19 -!- LordSloth_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:01:50 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:05:19 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 18:06:04 -!- SFR_ is now known as takao 18:08:12 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-119-g02a7081 (34) 18:08:13 where's the code that parses des files? 18:08:46 mapspec.cc 18:09:00 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:46 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:51 -!- EriktheRed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:14:16 maps.cc/mapdef.cc 18:15:53 what do you want to do? 18:16:53 -!- nosferax has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:18:27 i want to make monster hd scale in megazigs 18:19:08 I was thinking of adding a map tag that lets you increase all monster hds by a fixed amount, or adding a monster tag to do it individually 18:22:27 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:23:27 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:25:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 18:38:42 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:11 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 18:45:35 chequers: imo don't do that; invisible scaling of monster HD is bad (see: zombies) 18:46:06 yes 18:46:19 monster HD doing some things but not other things is weird in general 18:46:25 @?? goblin 18:46:25 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 18:46:27 @?? goblin hd:30 18:46:27 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 103-137 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 4480 | Sz: small | Int: human. 18:46:38 monster HD is weird in general 18:46:44 it has lots of hp but otherwise it's basically identical otherwise 18:46:52 did I say otherwise yet? 18:47:00 otherwise. 18:47:25 it is more accurate and its spells, if it had any, would do more damage 18:47:28 -!- coledot_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:41 @?? goblin spells:fire_storm.wizard.200 18:47:41 Need a positive spell frequency;got 'wizard' in 'fire storm.wizard.200' 18:47:42 precisely 18:47:46 @?? orc sorcerer hd:30 18:47:47 orc sorcerer (13o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 87-119 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 5563 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), b.draining (3d36), sum.demon, paralyse | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:47:47 @?? goblin spells:fire_storm.200.wizard 18:47:48 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | XP: 2 | Sp: fire storm (8d1 / 8d2) | Sz: small | Int: human. 18:47:53 @?? goblin hd:30 spells:fire_storm.200.wizard 18:47:53 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 99-135 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | XP: 5193 | Sp: fire storm (8d23 / 8d24) | Sz: small | Int: human. 18:47:57 this thing on the other hand doesn't remotely resemble its lower HD counterpart 18:48:23 @??greater mummy 18:48:24 greater mummy (00M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 186-207 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6234 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undea.. 18:48:28 @??greater mummy hd:30 18:48:28 greater mummy (00M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 279-310 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 33850 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.unde.. 18:48:44 heh doesn't even improve spell damage 18:50:02 -!- coledot has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:50:02 -!- coledot_ is now known as coledot 18:50:02 smiting doesn't scale with hd 18:50:05 smiting does not scale with hD 18:50:11 hi amalloy... 18:50:15 great minds 18:50:28 -!- coledot has quit [Client Quit] 18:50:29 lrn2contraction 18:50:39 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:02 !lg gw t annihilated 18:51:04 6. gw the Carver (L11 DDBe of Trog), annihilated by a titanic slime creature on D:12 on 2015-11-18 23:34:16, with 11858 points after 9649 turns and 0:12:20. 18:51:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:51:07 good 18:51:25 !kw annihilated 18:51:26 Keyword: annihilated => ktyp=mon hp<=-22 18:51:39 !lg * t min=hp x=hp 18:51:41 68739. [hp=-82] Badtown the Grappler (L11 TrMo of Cheibriados), annihilated by a titanic slime creature on D:11 on 2015-11-15 04:35:51, with 13363 points after 11387 turns and 0:43:38. 18:51:49 v good 18:52:03 !lg * t min=hp x=hp hp<-22 18:52:04 514. [hp=-82] Badtown the Grappler (L11 TrMo of Cheibriados), annihilated by a titanic slime creature on D:11 on 2015-11-15 04:35:51, with 13363 points after 11387 turns and 0:43:38. 18:52:07 !lg * t min=hp x=hp hp<-22 s=killer 18:52:08 Extra fields (x=hp) contain non-aggregates 18:52:10 !lg * t max=tdam x=dam,sdam,tdam 18:52:11 68740. [dam=58;sdam=58;tdam=161] Naga the Markscentaur (L21 CeHu of Okawaru), blasted by a fire giant (bolt of fire) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2015-11-14 11:21:43, with 396368 points after 66522 turns and 3:33:02. 18:52:21 !lg * t min=hp hp<-22 s=killer 18:52:22 514 games for * (t hp<-22): 18x an ogre, 17x, 16x a hill giant, 14x a titanic slime creature, 13x an ancient lich, 12x a white ugly thing, 11x an enormous slime creature, 11x Gastronok, 9x an orb of fire, 9x a large abomination, 9x a wretched star, 9x a very large slime creature, 8x an ice dragon, 8x a frost giant, 8x a stone giant, 8x a juggernaut, 8x Rupert, 8x a deep elf annihilator, 6x an orc ... 18:52:28 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:31 !lg * t annihilated s=ckiller 18:52:32 268 games for * (t annihilated): 24x an ogre, 19x a hill giant, 16x an ugly thing, 16x a titanic slime creature, 15x a player ghost, 12x a very large slime creature, 11x an enormous slime creature, 10x Rupert, 10x a large abomination, 9x a juggernaut, 8x an azure jelly, 7x Maud, 6x a komodo dragon, 6x a tentacled starspawn, 6x a very ugly thing, 6x an orc warrior, 5x Gastronok, 5x an orc warlord, ... 18:54:05 -!- coledot_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:15 -!- coledot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:15 -!- coledot_ is now known as coledot 18:55:48 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:59:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:37 -!- Watball has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:01:39 centaur zombie (07Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 4 | HP: 25-43 | AC/EV: 1/2 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(5), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 46 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 19:01:39 %??centaur zombie 19:01:41 centaur zombie (07Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 10 | HP: 73-99 | AC/EV: 2/3 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(13), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 471 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 19:01:41 %??centaur warrior zombie 19:01:52 i like the extra ac/ev 19:02:37 !seen bh 19:02:38 I last saw bh at Wed Nov 18 01:51:07 2015 UTC (22h 11m 30s ago) saying 'There was no morphing' on ##crawl-dev. 19:02:53 bh: were you planning to pick up steam again at any point? 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A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs PleasingFungus! 23:20:24 * Sequell hands donblas a mug of café mocha, brewed by Khufu. 23:20:27 <|amethyst> I am quite excited about getting the artwork licensing worked out 23:20:28 nooo 23:20:33 !glaciate PleasingFungus 23:20:33 Grunt casts a spell at PleasingFungus. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs PleasingFungus! 23:20:40 PleasingFungus seems unharmed. 23:20:44 cool 23:20:46 (: 23:20:51 (:?? 23:20:51 (: 23:21:01 amethyst - please get somebody to add a license for new artwork (i'll mention to ontoclasm) 23:21:18 there are a handful of old files that are hosed, but it'll fix all new inclusions 23:21:45 hm, confused allies can drown 23:21:47 rip beogh 23:22:10 <|amethyst> I thought confused intelligent creatures didn't try to move when next to water 23:22:21 correct 23:22:24 <|amethyst> or was that changed with the intelligence flattening? 23:22:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:22:34 Garbold appears confused. 23:22:34 Garbold falls into the water! 23:22:34 Garbold drowns. 23:23:15 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 23:23:58 <|amethyst> oh 23:24:06 <|amethyst> that was only for extra-smart monsters 23:24:11 <|amethyst> not for ordinarily smart monsters 23:24:17 <|amethyst> %git d63ab3c5 23:24:18 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-1116-gd63ab3c: Simplify monster intelligence 10(6 months ago, 28 files, 552+ 639-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d63ab3c59aa3 23:24:26 !blame3 PleasingFungus 23:24:27 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 23:24:30 <|amethyst> it's mentioned in the commit message, so it seems like an intentional change 23:24:38 <|amethyst> though I guess orcs didn't change 23:24:47 todo: confuse Cerebov; drown Cerebov 23:25:14 <|amethyst> it's kind of weird that the player can't drown by confused walking into water, but allies can 23:25:16 donblas: whatcha need? 23:25:22 sorry, i was busy drawing 23:25:24 hi ontoclasm... 23:25:36 * geekosaur misread ...drowning 23:25:36 hey, i was just about to mail you, but I can poke here 23:25:38 <|amethyst> but I guess that makes sense: it's fun to make monsters drown but not to make yourself drown 23:25:55 yeah 23:26:04 maybe intelligent allies can avoid drowning 23:26:42 so the short answer ontoclasm is that I want to do what I did in 2010 (https://code.google.com/p/crawl-tiles/) again w/ the new amazing artwork 23:27:04 intelligent allies drown on purpose 23:27:06 to get away from you 23:27:12 and figure out what is already in public domain, and ask artists I haven't spoken to will release under CC:0 23:27:14 <|amethyst> chequers: I'm not fond of making allies inconsistent with enemies that way 23:27:34 since the license situation now is "complicated" and undefined 23:27:56 a) is this acceptable. Concerns? Comments? 23:28:31 yes, that sounds great 23:28:42 you might have trouble tracking some down, though 23:29:10 i was planning on the following rule - if I spoke to you in 2010 then the waver holds through any new changes, any tiles in 2010 that were dead still are dead, for all new changes I need signoff of artists 23:29:22 I have a list of people I mailed last time (it was quiet an effort) 23:29:27 |amethyst: IMO it would be fine if all monsters (allies and enemies) had the same drown protection that the player has 23:29:33 may I ask for one thing from your end though 23:30:00 of course 23:30:00 please, please, please get a license and add it to the tiles folder saying new submissions are such and such license 23:30:12 CC:0 is a great "public domain" that works worldwide 23:30:13 I don't particularly like the gameplay of "lead a monster near water/lava and confuse it and wait for it to die" 23:30:25 it's what rltiles uses 23:30:31 but anything is better than nothing 23:30:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:30:45 donblas: yeah, that's probably a good idea 23:30:50 technically, say any new submissions are under that license 23:31:12 elliptic: well, it's more a funny easter egg i think 23:31:19 and them maybe point to https://github.com/donblas/crawl-tiles 23:31:21 than a possible gateway into degenerate gameplay land 23:31:32 <|amethyst> how is it an easter egg? 23:31:34 i'm working now on giving a list of all artists who signed off 23:31:44 i feel we should accept tiles that are "only" under the gpl, but presumably we (i) could maintain a list of such tiles 23:31:44 and what tiles are "dead" due to artists I can't get ahold of 23:31:45 well, it doesn't happen to players! 23:31:45 <|amethyst> if you ever use meph near water you'll know about it 23:32:02 the problem is that artwork under GPL gets rather muddy 23:32:03 <|amethyst> or ever go to swamp 23:32:10 well, yeah 23:32:17 what does it mean to to "compile" 23:32:24 <|amethyst> if it's artwork under the GPL I hope we're not getting just a PNG 23:32:26 but i don't want to force anyone to have their artwork be cc0 23:32:27 do you need to be able to swap art at runtime? between runs 23:32:39 could you pick a defualt 23:32:52 could you pick a default and say if you don't say anything in commit it is assumed 23:32:58 yeah 23:33:22 i looked into this first time around 23:33:36 (assuming i have the authority to do so) 23:33:43 IMNAL but international licenses for artwork is a total nihgtmare 23:34:00 |amethyst: hm, big oversight on that commit's change notes; didn't mention accidentally removing insect berserk 23:34:02 CC:0 gets around most of it, but I understand the desire not to go that far 23:34:23 (fwiw all my stuff is cc0) 23:34:31 <|amethyst> donblas: I forget, does CC:0 includes a promise not to assert moral rights? 23:34:38 i'm a huge fan of the art btw 23:34:38 <|amethyst> s/includes/include/ 23:34:57 PleasingFungus: so it was you who broke beeserk 23:35:05 !blame3 PleasingFungus 23:35:05 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 23:35:06 so I'm told! 23:35:15 moral rights retained by the original author(s) and/or performer(s); 23:35:22 chequers: IMO crawl easter eggs shouldn't affect gameplay (funny messages in unusual situations are fine though) 23:35:25 is https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode 23:35:45 @ontoclasm i'm going to add you to my list of artists then, thanks! 23:36:03 elliptic: what is the best crawl easter egg iyo 23:36:15 elliptic: do you see a lot of people leading monsters to dangerous terrain? I don't think I've ever seen someone doing that intentionally 23:36:18 donblas: feel free to ask me any questions 23:36:38 will do, it's a ton of commits so it will take me multiple evenings to write tools and reviwe 23:36:56 please let me know if you need help getting that "default" license in place 23:37:07 it will seriously make future us hate us less 23:37:12 elliptic: well i'm not that attached to the mechanic to argue here 23:37:19 pf: there is a bailey where every land tile is next to deep water 23:37:23 very funny with an enchanter. 23:37:23 <|amethyst> I am actually kind of surprised that we're still in debian, honestly 23:37:30 elliptic: all I really want is for beogh allies not to drown in swamp after i get them randarts 23:37:35 <|amethyst> with the tile license situation being as it is 23:37:47 @amethyst I agree 23:38:06 chequers: just play op^beogh and get the randarts back! 23:38:10 elliptic: but I really don't think enemy monster drowning is particularly advantageous or anything 23:38:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38:38 PleasingFungus: i compile all builds on my server with wizmode enabled if strcmp(name,'chequers'); 23:38:39 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm, would this let us remove the code for drowning and item destruction? 23:38:42 |amethyst: where in the repository should i state this? 23:38:50 @ontoclasm - just to confirm, you agree that past and all future work artwork submitted to crawl is licensed under CC:0 unless otherwise noted in the commit 23:39:10 * donblas pretends to be a lawyer on tv 23:39:25 |amethyst: you mean for monsters drowning? can still drown them with tornado if nothing else 23:39:25 <|amethyst> you mean submitted to crawl by ontoclasm? 23:39:30 <|amethyst> elliptic: oh, right 23:39:38 yeah 23:39:44 oh, about my own stuff, yes 23:39:44 sorry, YOUR personal work 23:39:56 this is what i'm a programmer 23:39:58 and not legal 23:39:59 speaking of which, we should do something about lom drowning everyone 23:40:10 I want the compiler to fix this stuff 23:40:11 <|amethyst> elliptic: I was about to say "FR: fix that" 23:40:11 (though note that i often edit others' artwork slightly, so if in doubt feel free to ask me) 23:40:29 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: when you add other peoples' tiles, do you say so in the commit 23:40:34 yes 23:40:48 yep, i have to read every long log entry 23:41:00 but like, there might be a tile added that says (roctavian) and then later i messed with it a bit so there's a commit that just says "lighten X" 23:41:06 sorry :( 23:41:07 7/67 deaths in pan so far this tourney are lom lobon drowning 23:41:07 elliptic: how about making his levels full of shallow rather than deep water 23:41:14 it sometimes points to bug tracker where i have to look as well 23:41:21 * donblas is trying really really hard not to screw this up 23:41:23 <|amethyst> chequers: IMO better to remove drowning instead 23:41:24 elliptic: that's funny, in a certain sense. 23:41:31 <|amethyst> you fall into water, you wind up on the shore 23:41:35 i try to call every new tile's commit "X tile (name, bug#)" 23:41:49 <|amethyst> I guess people might abuse that for speedy travel 23:41:57 PleasingFungus: yes, it makes good tv... it is also sad though since the player clearly has no clue that this can happen to them 23:42:03 that would make coc a lot more bearable 23:42:21 I don't think it was the intent when lom got tornado. Or shouldn't have been the intent 23:42:37 I guess it's hard to put anything past the maniac who designed tornado. 23:42:41 well the kills are people being pushed through walls right 23:42:45 so prob not the intent 23:42:46 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/naga.png 23:42:49 speaking of new tiles 23:42:51 I don't think that's all of the kills 23:43:02 looking good 23:43:02 just a long-running bug responsible for some 23:43:08 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:20 actually are you also going to redesign guardian serpents at the same time? 23:43:40 chequers: being pushed through walls isn't really that relevant here actually 23:43:47 CanOfWorms: wasn't planning on it 23:43:51 but i guess i could 23:43:58 or you could~ 23:44:11 people just fight lom with deep water around and the tornado moves them on top of the deep water and ends 23:44:44 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:53 dunked 23:44:54 literally 23:44:57 <|amethyst> donblas: for reference, I don't have any tiles of my own since I suck at art, but any future tile contributions by me (that don't give credit to someone else) can be assumed to be CC:0 unless otherwise stated 23:45:28 anyway removing all the deep water from the lom vaults would certainly make this less of an issue, as would removing tornado from lom 23:45:31 <|amethyst> Now I'm trying to remember whether duvessa's blue hair was minmay's suggestion and my change, or minmay's change 23:45:33 awsome. I'll add you to the list 23:45:36 thanks! 23:45:57 I don't know which is better, the deep water is sort of relevant in some of the vaults 23:46:04 <|amethyst> minmay: do you happen to remember whether you changed duvessa's hair blue yourself, or just suggested it? 23:46:45 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: re where to put the message 23:47:37 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I would suggest 1. license.txt 2. docs/develop/tiles_creation.txt 23:48:10 <|amethyst> perhaps don basic linear algebra subroutines has some suggested text for that? 23:50:25 ^ are you talking about me? the first half of that sounded like donblas but i couldn't' tell if a joke or what 23:51:19 "blas" 23:51:32 -!- takao has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:13 New artwork submission are under CC:Zero (https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/), similar to public domain unless otherwise noted in the submit. For the license status of existing artwork, please see https://github.com/donblas/crawl-tiles as the situation may be complex 23:52:40 and lol 23:52:43 ah, there's already a little clause there 23:52:52 ? 23:52:55 did i miss it 23:52:58 While a majority of the tiles are in the Public Domain, there is no accurate 23:52:58 list. To err on the side of caution, please refer to Chris Hamons' 23:52:58 collection at http://code.google.com/p/crawl-tiles/ 23:53:02 ah 23:53:10 can you update url to github 23:53:13 yeah 23:53:14 and then add the "default" 23:53:16 and i'll add the other bit 23:53:25 :thumbsup: 23:54:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:54:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:59:09 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-119-g02a7081 (34)