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Stat gain: s/5 00:35:54 ho stat gain is really bad 00:36:01 is that a balance thing or a legacy thing 00:36:03 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:45 you don't need stats on your character as a HO, you have an army! 00:37:21 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:37:53 do any races even have s/4? 00:38:00 just pump your CHA, np 00:38:00 ??sdi 00:38:01 I don't have a page labeled sdi in my learndb. Did you mean: sda, sid. 00:38:03 ??sid 00:38:03 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg choose2/3 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu sid/5 (none in 0.16-) | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp id/5 (none in 0.16-) | VS sd/4 00:38:12 quite a few 00:38:20 you mean none of them? 00:38:35 oh, s/4 00:38:44 not x/4 00:38:49 yeah 00:38:51 x/4 is the most common 00:39:00 -!- SriBri has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:00 gh s/5 00:39:18 ho being worse is probably just a legacy thing 00:39:33 on the other hand, HO 00:39:49 thundercats? 00:39:54 HOOOOO 00:40:05 santy claus? 00:40:26 a few of the /5 races strike me as not really being 5 races 00:40:27 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:40:57 what is a /5 race? 00:41:08 stat gain every 5th level 00:41:19 Well I mean, what is the intent of a /5 race 00:41:30 no idea 00:41:35 heh 00:41:41 So how can we determine which do not strike us as not being really /5 races 00:41:44 I always thought "low stat growth" was an undead thing 00:41:58 it is an undead thing but not exclusively 00:42:11 low or no, yeah 00:42:20 i can see /5 making sense for a race like sp 00:42:35 like quirky races 00:42:42 But why is Fo si/4 but Ko is sd/5 00:42:43 but then again a race like mf has it 00:43:14 oh mummy actually gets stats now--casual game for noobs these days 00:43:16 you could say that the shorty races have stunted growth 00:43:16 anyway, I'm thinking about this because I'm playing around with the "halve stats" idea 00:43:19 If you gain a single stat, you're probably going to have a large modulus 00:44:00 the big problem for balance is: starting stats, when to give level up stats (player and auto-assigned ones) 00:44:20 everything else can basically just s/you.strength()/you.strength() * 2/ 00:45:54 HO actually makes more sense to me than Mf or Sp since they gain only str; 00:45:58 s/;/./ 00:46:13 yeah, i figured the reason was that it was /5 because it was reliable 00:46:13 Unstable branch on crawl.buzz updated to: 0.17-a0-2109-g117576f (34) 00:46:26 you could plan for it when it's only one stat 00:46:29 most of the single stat cases are strength 00:46:45 yeah, there's i/4 for DE which makes reasonable sense 00:46:50 but it is mostly s 00:47:02 halfling i could see also being sd 00:47:24 yeah maybe sd with lower modulus 00:47:31 iirc their stats are just better than kobold overall 00:47:32 or even just sid really 00:48:27 I'm sure a lot of the choices of which stat are justified somewhat on notions of theme 00:49:28 -!- airwave87 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:50:48 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:01 -!- tgcid9999 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2109-g117576f (34) 01:04:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:11:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:12:44 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:03 ha kind of gets housed by d/5 01:13:10 they are a /5 right? 01:13:25 yea 01:13:26 d/5 01:14:52 ProzacElf: Do they get a halfway-house? 01:15:02 obviously 01:15:03 duh 01:15:23 * hypractvChipmunk boos. 01:17:32 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2109-g117576f (34) 01:26:08 heh. finally on depths 5 i founds something else than +0 plain boots 01:26:43 cursed -5 pair of boots of the ladybird (*drain rElec rn++ rCorr) 01:26:52 * hypractvChipmunk snickers. 01:27:08 (im a gargoyle with intrinsic rlec and enough rn) 01:30:22 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:30:57 wrong channel? 01:31:04 whoops 01:31:10 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:47 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:15 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:38:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:57 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:43:16 ??0.17 01:43:16 0.17[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.17_plan 01:44:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:36 this hoser, again 01:44:49 gammafunk: small thought before I go to bed: when you were testing Grunt's gardens, what were the tides like? (high or low?) 01:44:57 you were talking about having more land than expected 01:46:38 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 41.0.2/20151014143721]] 01:52:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:53:49 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:54:33 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2109-g117576f 01:56:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:59:42 -!- Chance672 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:40 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:09:03 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 02:11:23 -!- thereaction has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:53 -!- frostsnow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:26 -!- thereaction has quit [Quit: Palaver] 02:21:14 !tell PleasingFungus Yes, I remember seeing the water later and thinking that maybe the problem was just that the tides were all out initially, so the mmap was correct, and then the tides came in afterwards 02:21:14 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:32:57 New branch created: pull/155 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/155 02:32:57 03anch0vy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/155 * 0.17-a0-2110-g50b8427: change web client color define 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 80+ 80-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50b8427be2bb 02:34:39 -!- Guest13420 is now known as myp 02:40:40 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:00 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2109-g117576f 02:57:56 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:23 New branch created: pull/156 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/156 02:58:23 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/156 * 0.17-a0-2033-g75a41fe: Make Controlled Blink a level 8 spell 10(20 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75a41fec5b26 02:58:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:45 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2109-g117576f (34) 03:11:53 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:51 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:20:37 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:22:52 -!- raskol` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:26:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:29:46 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:33:46 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:48:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:51:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:55:52 Wow, DrKe with the Warper nerfs 03:56:21 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:25 But yeah sounds good to me 03:58:16 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:06 ??dispersal 04:01:06 dispersal[1/3]: Spell: All monsters that are adjacent to you will be instantly teleported away if they don't resist (via magic resistance). If a monster does resist, it will be blinked instead (even if it's immune!). Does not work on -TELE enemies such as statues. 04:06:13 03DrKe02 07* 0.17-a0-2033-g75a41fe: Make Controlled Blink a level 8 spell 10(22 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75a41fec5b26 04:06:13 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-2111-ge77a051: Merge pull request #156 from drke2/patch-1 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e77a051a9308 04:06:37 ruined 04:07:17 The King of Double Damage will not be stopped 04:10:13 !tell Lasty I found !lg * br=zig cikiller=entropy_weaver 2 , a kill on only Zig:5, but it turns out not wearing rPois was the real cikiller 04:10:14 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 04:12:20 -!- thereaction has quit [Client Quit] 04:13:47 @??obsidian_statue 04:13:47 obsidian statue (068) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 670 | Sp: sum.minor demon [06!sil], sum.demon [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 04:26:05 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:31:51 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:47:32 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:07:18 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:11:38 -!- Silas is now known as Guest89672 05:12:09 -!- lvh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:51 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:14:38 -!- Ipsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:16 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:23:00 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:25:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 05:40:10 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:44:48 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:31 ??norris 05:54:32 norris[1/3]: A tan, fit and thoroughly evil ex-surfer. Feeds on your intelligence, smites, paralyzes, confuses, turns invisible, heals himself, and smokes Cuban cigars. 05:58:53 ??berserkitis 05:58:53 berserk[8/10]: There is also a mutation (called "berserk" by crawl, described as you "lose your temper in combat"; plus "makes you angry" on artifacts) that causes you to go berserk sometimes after melee attacks. The chance varies with the mutation level (1, 3, 9%), and the chance of passing out decreases. 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:45 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:05 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:22 -!- infrasho2tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:22:22 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:17 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:23 ??disrupt 06:31:23 disrupt ~ disruption ~ undeadhunter[1/1]: A +7 great mace with rN+. Has its own effect identical to the old disruption brand: a 2/3 chance of up to quadruple damage, with an average of 250% damage, but only against undead. 06:50:25 -!- infrasho2tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50:25 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50:31 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:25 -!- Xelif has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:11 -!- indohyus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:56 can anybody help me get crawl sorted on dgamelaunch? 07:03:22 I have a working dgl with nethack already 07:06:40 the problem I have is that when crawl is launch the dgl screen just flashes and stays on the menu. A crawl process is actually started on the server, but strangely, it's not a child of dgamelaunch. 07:09:35 Anyway, if anybody has any ideas, please ping me 07:10:52 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21:09 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:54 -!- tabstorm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:28 i wonder if hall of blades should turn into gold for gozagites 07:42:19 it doesn't? 07:43:53 somebody reported that it does 07:44:01 yes 07:44:36 in wizmode I get both gold and the weapon 07:44:38 that doesn't seem right 07:44:47 the guy said he got no weapon 07:44:58 must be a wizmode thing, you dont get the weapon 07:45:01 or you're using old crawl 07:45:16 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 07:46:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:47:23 imo it's consistent with dragons not leaving hides 07:47:28 do you think they should chequers 07:47:39 does gozag give gold for corpseless dudes 07:47:46 i forget now 07:47:50 yes 07:47:55 you get gold for any kill now 07:48:10 well, dancing weapons even leave a corpse in a sense 07:48:45 it's similar to losing dragon hides yeah 07:49:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:32 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:51:46 -!- infrasho2tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:59:45 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:01 <|amethyst> what happens with gozag + tukima? 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:37 -!- Kealga has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:04:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:42 weapon returns 08:07:46 i think that was special coded 08:08:20 %git aff08178a7fce10cbcbe2406525360a04125b5f6 08:08:20 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1523-gaff0817: Fix dancing weapon interactions under Gozag (#9856) 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 11+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aff08178a7fc 08:08:49 <|amethyst> ah, good 08:09:18 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:29 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:13:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:13:40 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:14:02 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:15:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:50 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:27:52 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:44:44 -!- Xenobreeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:45:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:04:18 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11:21 New branch created: pull/157 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/157 09:11:21 03anch0vy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/157 * 0.17-a0-2112-g01d8228: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/crawl/master' 10(24 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01d8228ce6e2 09:11:21 03anch0vy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/157 * 0.17-a0-2113-ge5bb321: lillte simplify ability.cc 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e5bb321bb89e 09:14:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:16:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:16:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:28:51 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:22 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:35:21 03anch0vy02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.17-a0-2112-g421c82d: Little simplify ability.cc 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/421c82d03021 09:35:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2113-gc3f89d1: Simplify an initialization. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3f89d198632 09:44:42 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58:56 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:07:42 <|amethyst> hrm 10:08:02 hmmmm 10:08:43 <|amethyst> unless I'm missing something, I think I see a bug with Ru 10:09:21 you mean how he never appreciates my sacrifices? 10:10:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:10:59 Sacrifice Head: Die instantly, 6 piety gained 10:12:45 I think he and Xom are in cahoots 10:14:08 -!- crowleyman has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:48 "Psst, hey, Ru. Tell him to cut his butt off! It'll be hilarious!" 10:16:21 You cut off your butt. Xom collapses in a fit of giggling. " 10:16:53 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:56 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 10:19:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:24:34 With a thunderous guffaw that shakes the entire dungeon, Xom exclaims, "Now you can't poop!" 10:27:14 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:31:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2114-g40e7037: Don't remove Bows skill with most Ru sacrifices. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40e7037bbcef 10:31:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2115-g0d8b93e: Sacrifice Ko/Ha staves skill with Sac Hand (Zooty). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d8b93eae106 10:32:29 heh 10:33:50 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty odd that no one noticed the bug fixed in 0.17-a0-2114-g40e7037 10:33:50 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 10:34:30 someone forget to break out of a switch or something? 10:34:52 <|amethyst> no, someone forgot to even put the stuff inside an if 10:35:18 O_o 10:35:52 |amethyst: nobody uses ranged combat 10:37:29 yeah, I was actually thinking that the odds of seeing someone specialized in bows and following Ru are not actually that high 10:38:57 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:42:10 was a pretty recent change too 10:42:23 <|amethyst> a couple of weeks, though 10:42:31 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru 10:42:32 55. Cabadath the Chucker (L6 CeHu of Ru), slain by a gnoll sergeant (a cursed -1 spear) on D:5 on 2015-10-14 15:10:50, with 331 points after 3444 turns and 0:13:20. 10:42:35 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru -log 10:42:36 55. Cabadath, XL6 CeHu, T:3444: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Cabadath/morgue-Cabadath-20151014-151050.txt 10:42:41 <|amethyst> err, chucker 10:42:43 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru -2 10:42:44 54/55. soeti the Quickloader (L7 CeHu of Ru), slain by an orc warrior (a +2 scimitar of slicing) on D:6 on 2015-10-08 20:21:07, with 881 points after 5898 turns and 0:26:00. 10:42:48 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru -3 10:42:49 53/55. humanmale the Bolt Thrower (L6 CeHu of Ru), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 short sword) (kmap: guppyfry_early_orc_mine) on D:4 on 2015-09-28 08:27:44, with 296 points after 3527 turns and 0:08:26. 10:42:51 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru -4 10:42:52 52/55. sanka the Markscentaur (L13 CeHu of Ru), slain by vogonpoet's ghost on Lair:8 on 2015-09-03 11:17:55, with 38100 points after 36157 turns and 1:18:57. 10:43:05 <|amethyst> that one was before the fix 10:43:22 <|amethyst> oh 10:43:49 <|amethyst> Cabadath's CeHu did lose all bows skill 10:43:58 <|amethyst> and died shortly thereafter 10:44:09 <|amethyst> Skills: 10:44:09 <|amethyst> - Level 2.2 Fighting 10:44:09 <|amethyst> * Level 2.8 Throwing 10:44:09 <|amethyst> + Level 2.1 Dodging 10:44:09 <|amethyst> - Level 0.5 Stealth 10:44:30 rip 10:44:47 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru -2 -log 10:44:48 54/55. soeti, XL7 CeHu, T:5898: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/soeti/morgue-soeti-20151008-202107.txt 10:44:59 <|amethyst> !lg * cehu ru -3 -log 10:45:00 53/55. humanmale, XL6 CeHu, T:3527: http://webzook.net:82/morgue/trunk/humanmale/morgue-humanmale-20150928-082744.txt 10:45:14 <|amethyst> those two both started with crossbows 10:45:35 <|amethyst> (and humanmale's was before the change) 10:45:42 ouch 10:45:44 <|amethyst> !lg * hehu ru 10:45:44 30. neil the Shooter (L4 HEHu of Ru), slain by hyperactiveChipmunk's ghost on D:3 on 2015-10-13 03:56:12, with 74 points after 2455 turns and 0:04:28. 10:45:50 <|amethyst> !lg * hehu ru -log 10:45:51 30. neil, XL4 HEHu, T:2455: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/neil/morgue-neil-20151013-035612.txt 10:46:08 <|amethyst> died well before I got a sacrifice :) 10:46:19 <|amethyst> !lg * hehu ru -2 10:46:21 29/30. Juudaz the Quickloader (L9 HEHu of Ru), slain by a wight (a +0 halberd) on D:8 on 2015-10-07 11:43:17, with 3633 points after 9526 turns and 1:11:25. 10:46:25 <|amethyst> !lg * hehu ru -3 10:46:25 28/30. rimel the Archer (L5 HEHu of Ru), succumbed to poison (a potion of poison) on D:4 on 2015-10-03 21:41:43, with 248 points after 3968 turns and 0:11:43. 10:46:32 <|amethyst> !lg * hehu ru -2 -log 10:46:33 29/30. Juudaz, XL9 HEHu, T:9526: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Juudaz/morgue-Juudaz-20151007-114317.txt 10:46:47 <|amethyst> also started with crossbow 10:47:00 <|amethyst> it's like people taking Ru plan to Sac Hand 10:47:05 <|amethyst> or knew about the bug 10:47:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:47:30 !lm * sacrifice skill=bows 10:47:31 151. [2015-10-02 08:26:17] dialectric the Shooter (L4 GrWn of Ru) sacrificed resistance on turn 1639. 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One-handed. 11:16:56 It's one-handed afaik 11:17:30 yeah, I've just been playing spriggan slingers 11:17:33 New branch created: pull/158 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/158 11:17:33 03anch0vy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/158 * 0.17-a0-2114-g43122fb: Clean up duplicate code at ability.cc 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/43122fbd6046 11:17:33 03anch0vy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/158 * 0.17-a0-2115-gd3953b1: remove enter 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3953b19aa46 11:18:20 it's two-handed for them.... if that even makes sense for a sling 11:20:30 not sure I like the condition check reordering there, not that it really matters 11:21:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:53 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:17 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:23:27 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:00 -!- Xelif has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:26:06 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:17 <|amethyst> Medar: calling twice is intentional, so you don't get "you're too confused" if you have no abilities whatsoever 11:28:27 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:28 ah, right, it filters out abilities that can't be used while confused 11:34:16 -!- dograt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:35:54 -!- krfkreak has quit [] 11:46:01 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:47:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:27 -!- easttuth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52:04 -!- athros has quit [Quit: Bye bye] 11:54:51 -!- Helio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:02 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:02 -!- infrasho2tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:38 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:09:58 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:37 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:58 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:47 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28:23 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28:59 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:00 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:01 -!- wmbt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:35 -!- endou_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:36 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:36 -!- jbalthetto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:33:33 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:25 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:34 -!- Vidiiot has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:38:22 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:46:14 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46:20 -!- cojitoo is now known as cojito 12:48:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:45 -!- Cybersaint2k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:58:20 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:59:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:10 -!- airwave87 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:32 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2115-g0d8b93e (34) 13:06:10 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 13:06:18 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:38 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:00 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 13:21:03 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:17 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:32:32 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Yaaic - 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ZZZzzz…] 17:35:04 <|amethyst> chequers: I supposed I should say that at the PR 17:35:40 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:36:37 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:21 <|amethyst> s/posed/pose/ 17:37:54 <|amethyst> chequers: oh, I see you changed that to level % 4 17:37:58 -!- Can-ned_Food has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:38:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:10 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:08 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:53:54 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55:35 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:23 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:06 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:36 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-2115-g0d8b93e (34) 18:05:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:57 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:11:32 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:22:14 <|amethyst> Since I purge my reddit posts periodically, I put my description of webtiles architecture on wordpress: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/webtiles-architecture 18:22:41 <|amethyst> maybe I'll write a changelog sometime this week if no one beats me to it 18:22:48 <|amethyst> not that I would mind someone beating me to it! 18:25:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:46 |amethyst: replied in the PR 18:27:09 it is a buff in the late game right now, but the numbers are provisional 18:27:30 <|amethyst> yeah, that's the tought part 18:27:45 <|amethyst> s/ght/gh/ 18:28:01 <|amethyst> we want stat increases to matter more, so that's good 18:28:06 I think I said in PR, but if not I think any change this large is going to nerf & buff different areas, but my goal is "more interesting" 18:28:32 <|amethyst> but if we don't want to buff everyone, we have to balance by reducing the number of increases or by reducing the starting point 18:28:46 yep, I was thinking the latter this morning 18:28:54 <|amethyst> but the latter makes the game more difficult the earlier you go 18:29:17 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:29:40 <|amethyst> which is maybe not what we want, because we're already pretty far in the direction of "hard early, easy late" 18:30:02 <|amethyst> OTOH, we do want to be in that direction I think, so maybe it is good 18:30:06 easy enough to tweak the numbers the other way then. user-stat every /9 levels 18:30:21 <|amethyst> but now we're talking about actual balance so I'm out of my league 18:30:30 although if user-stats are that rare I feel like they should be even more important than "double the current" 18:30:42 eg, no inherent stat-ups at all 18:31:07 anyway, thanks for the feedback, I hope more contributers comment 18:31:23 I really like the PR system for collecting comments, rather than needing to survey IRC 18:31:36 <|amethyst> well, reducing the number of increases goes against the "make player stat increase more relevant" 18:31:46 it's best to focus on improving one aspect of stats at a time, rather than trying to reimagine all of stats in one PR 18:32:57 how do players get EV and spellpower and spell failure reduction become major issues if we don't let players control stats sufficiently 18:33:40 <|amethyst> so there's the conflict where you need to tune these two parameters (frequency and amount of increase) but they both have effects on two different variables under optimisation (meaningfulness of player stat increase, power level of player) 18:34:16 <|amethyst> clearly, need to experiment, give a different formula to each player, then ask them to rate their experience 18:34:48 <|amethyst> Someone who doesn't need IRB approval can do that :) 18:36:51 clearly an unethical study 18:36:56 approval denied 18:40:48 -!- bencryption has quit [Client Quit] 18:45:09 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:46:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:02 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:57 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:33 gammafunk: do you mean, make a bunch of things that currently depend on attributes depend less on attributes? 18:57:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:41 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:08 do I mean by what? 19:01:08 -!- plantmann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:01:32 That's not what either of my comments was directly suggesting, no; second comment was just pointing out that "less player choice of stats" leads to balance issues that need to be dealt with 19:05:15 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:31 ok 19:08:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:09:45 * Grunt gestures. A swirling arc of seething chaos appears!" 19:10:09 The swirling arc of seething chaos hits the "! The " is destroyed! 19:10:35 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:10 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:11:36 * gammafunk wears the amulet "Sanity" {Stasis rF++ rC++ rElec rPois rN++ MR++ rGrunt+++} 19:12:55 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:14:56 btw gammafunk / Grunt -- any comment on clang-format usage? 19:15:49 only intelligent (???) comment I had was that it would be really nice if it works under msys2 since we just now have an environment for our windows devs where they can run unbrace/checkwhite 19:15:58 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:20 and it would be a shame to not have that again (i.e. if clang-format is what we use instead of those and it doesn't run under msys2) 19:16:31 I think clang works in msys but I've not tried 19:17:33 I know we have an awful lot of places that uses alignment to display POD in an easier to read way 19:17:42 and I'm not sure that this works well with clang-format? 19:17:48 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:18:59 I guess it's not even just POD, but also data that's a mix of enum values and such 19:20:05 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:08 but when it comes to C++ I usually just do whatever the Crawl IT Department says 19:23:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:19 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:53 -!- raskol` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:26:35 .cobbed 19:26:36 35. grandjackal the Shatterer (L27 OgWr of The Shining One), starved to death on Zot:4 on 2015-10-19 19:24:25, with 644158 points after 102142 turns and 4:21:16. 19:26:42 .cobbed name=grandjackal 19:26:42 2. grandjackal the Shatterer (L27 OgWr of The Shining One), starved to death on Zot:4 on 2015-10-19 19:24:25, with 644158 points after 102142 turns and 4:21:16. 19:26:46 ...twice... 19:26:51 .cobbed name=grandjackal s=char 19:26:52 2 games for * (hungrycobs place=zot|crypt ((ktype=starvation || ikiller=death_cob)) name=grandjackal): OgWr, CeHu 19:34:59 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:13 POD? 19:35:48 plain old data 19:36:09 if you mean things like enum lists or big nested ternaries -- yeah, using clang-format would neccessitate making those layouts less readable or adding /* clang-format: disable */ type comments 19:36:10 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:36:14 clang?? 19:36:14 clang 19:36:22 cang?? 19:36:22 cang 19:40:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2116-g1c6ed6a: Comment comma_separated_fn. 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 50+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c6ed6a6249f 19:40:28 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:04 <|amethyst> I don't mind /* clang-format: disable */ at the top of foo-data.h files 19:41:22 <|amethyst> (err, well, I guess you'd want to turn that off at the end of the header) 19:42:07 <|amethyst> but I think having to do that around every nested ternary is kind of a pain 19:42:34 ?:?:?:?:?:?:?: 19:42:36 <|amethyst> they do have a bug report open about the nested ternary thing, and haven't marked it wontfix etc 19:42:52 <|amethyst> so there is hope 19:43:41 <|amethyst> probably the best thing one could do to get Crawl to use clang-format is to make clang handle those better 19:44:57 <|amethyst> s/make clang/make clang-format/ 19:52:45 I saw there are a lot of clang-format bugs 19:52:52 I did check out the code, bit too arcane for me 19:57:59 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:08 -!- Vidiiot has quit [] 20:06:26 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07:47 wow, slow day today; caught up with everything in less than 5 minutes 20:07:53 hey folks 20:08:38 -!- Kramin has quit [Excess Flood] 20:09:31 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:10:31 |amethyst: did you ever come up with a satisfactory way to resolve that scattershot targeting, besides just doing an if agent.is_player() check? 20:11:01 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:42 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:04 -!- MagicLamp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:31 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 20:21:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:22:24 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:25:45 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:29:03 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:31:09 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:32:27 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:36:07 -!- BlackGyver` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:18 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:46 (aka the Grunt™ Technique) 20:43:55 You hear a grunt. 20:44:21 You ignore the insignificant grunt. 20:44:37 !glaciate hypractvChipmunk 20:44:38 Grunt gestures at hypractvChipmunk while chanting. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs hypractvChipmunk! 20:44:55 * hypractvChipmunk resists. 20:46:05 !firestorm hypractvChipmunk 20:46:06 Grunt points at hypractvChipmunk and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs hypractvChipmunk! 20:46:09 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:19 * hypractvChipmunk is on fire! 20:48:24 * hypractvChipmunk cooks a pizza. 20:49:27 mm, Yak cheese pizza 20:50:15 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:46 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:55 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:53:14 -!- _miek has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:54 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:47 -!- Zorgdub has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:58:58 -!- raskol` is now known as raskol 20:59:59 -!- shrinkshooter_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:45 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:03:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:48 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:27 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:12:12 -!- gazzien has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:13:39 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:39 i doubt you have yak cheese on hand sir 21:31:11 when was the webtiles chat bot created? i can't find any details on it 21:32:10 ProzacElf: heh heh 21:32:23 Syndicus: fairly recently, i think; ask gammafunk 21:33:20 luckily i'm here for you 21:33:21 http://www.northernyak.ca/yak-products.php 21:33:24 =P 21:33:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:56 nice, i am saved 21:34:20 i shall not want for any yak-related product again 21:34:32 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:38 i have arrived, and with it your thirst for yak shall be slaked 21:34:43 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:45 >8D 21:34:53 haha 21:34:57 and boy do we thirst 21:35:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:01 yakrobatics 21:35:09 !blame2 wheals 21:35:09 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 21:35:11 i mean 21:35:12 thirst-quenching yak juice 21:35:13 who doesn't 21:35:52 "i take only the finest yaks from the mountains of tibet....and then I SQUEEZE THE SHIT OUT 'EM to provide you, the consumer, with the highest quality yak juice." 21:36:09 hahahaha 21:36:35 fresh-squeezed is best 21:36:41 indeed 21:36:51 we do not suffer poor quality yak juice concentrate, sir 21:37:26 I should hope not 21:37:34 'tis a waste of fine yak 21:38:34 i'll take three wading pools of your best juice, please 21:43:51 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:43:56 coming right up 21:44:27 pulp or no? 21:44:53 one with, two without 21:45:49 !send hypractvChipmunk pools of yak juice 21:45:49 Sending pools of yak juice to hypractvChipmunk. 21:46:37 thanks, man. you're a lifesaver 21:46:42 i'll be back same time next week 21:46:57 we're always looking for business 21:47:17 tell your friends about us! 21:47:35 you can count on it! 21:48:53 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: I think back-projecting the beam to the nearest can_see spot before calling set_aim is the best 21:49:23 <|amethyst> hmm 21:49:26 <|amethyst> actually 21:49:34 <|amethyst> what happens when it later actually casts the spell? 21:49:38 <|amethyst> since this is the tracer 21:49:49 <|amethyst> we don't want the tracer to return different results 21:50:17 the monster's confused; i hardly think that matters >8) 21:50:29 <|amethyst> I suppose that's true 21:50:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:50:55 <|amethyst> hm, arguably the tracer should actually use the target rather than being fuzzed 21:51:29 true, but that would mean going even farther up the chain i think 21:51:34 <|amethyst> Hm 21:51:45 <|amethyst> and cast_scattershot looks like it would need the same change 21:52:00 starting to touch a lot of files for something that can be fixed in one line in a fairly satisfactory manner 21:52:11 <|amethyst> yeah, I'm beginning to think you're right 21:52:54 since it doesn't actually matter what direction it's shot...the more messed-up, the better, even >8P 21:53:25 <|amethyst> well, if the tracer is using the same fuzz as the actual casting, that makes it less messed-up 21:53:48 <|amethyst> since it means the monster won't fire if it doesn't hit anything good 21:53:53 true 21:53:55 <|amethyst> I guess they're fuzzed separately 21:54:03 <|amethyst> s/guess/hope/ 21:54:06 heh 21:55:18 honestly though, i think you should at least apply that patch now, just to stop the crashes while a proper solution, if any, is worked on 21:55:31 <|amethyst> what's the pr # 21:55:32 <|amethyst> ? 21:55:42 oh, i attached it to the bug report 21:55:48 sec, i'll PR it 21:55:55 <|amethyst> no worries 21:56:06 <|amethyst> I'll just get it from mantis 21:56:20 <|amethyst> ah, you already did the is_player() 21:56:25 <|amethyst> there is one fix it needs 21:58:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:58:41 i figured it was simple enough that it would take less time to just modify it on your own >8) 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:01:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 22:03:22 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:55 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:04:29 !blame2 wheals_ 22:04:30 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss___ 22:04:31 <3 22:05:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:12 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:06:38 ehhe 22:07:55 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:48 in the "Triggerables" document, "...as these are constantly increasing, you are really only limited by imagination and vault design ethics." Is there a vault design ethics course we can send Grunt to? 22:09:15 !send grunt_profane_halls hypractvChipmunk 22:09:15 Sending hypractvChipmunk to grunt_profane_halls. 22:13:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2117-g8ee604c: Handle monster confused-zaps of cone rods (hyperactiveChipmunk, #9919) 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ee604cc1d7d 22:13:51 <3 22:14:19 <|amethyst> !send Grunt the Milgram portal branch experiment 22:14:19 Sending the Milgram portal branch experiment to Grunt. 22:14:43 !send |amethyst electric portal vaults 22:14:43 Sending electric portal vaults to |amethyst. 22:16:47 <|amethyst> removing the "duplicate" relationship with 9404 because we are now sure they're not duplicates 22:17:27 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.16 crash noun~~ray.cc 22:17:28 22. [2015-07-26 10:52:15] wearedevo the Spry (L18 SpCK of Xom) ASSERT( valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed on turn 52232. (Vaults:1) 22:17:35 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.17 crash noun~~ray.cc 22:17:36 No milestones for * (0.17 crash noun~~ray.cc). 22:17:40 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.17-a crash noun~~ray.cc 22:17:40 58. [2015-10-19 23:31:40] cosmonaut the Invulnerable (L27 HaAs of Gozag) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 94139. (Coc:7) 22:17:45 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.16-a crash noun~~ray.cc 22:17:46 130. [2015-03-16 14:35:32] Tusk the Merry Centaur (L23 CeHu of Okawaru) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 102337. (Depths:5) 22:17:49 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.16-a crash / noun~~ray.cc 22:17:50 130/2283 milestones for * (0.16-a crash): N=130/2283 (5.69%) 22:17:54 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15-a crash / noun~~ray.cc 22:17:55 3/766 milestones for * (0.15-a crash): N=3/766 (0.39%) 22:18:05 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14-a crash / noun~~ray.cc 22:18:06 0/1829 milestones for * (0.14-a crash): N=0/1829 (0.00%) 22:18:15 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.17-a crash / noun~~ray.cc 22:18:16 58/1012 milestones for * (0.17-a crash): N=58/1012 (5.73%) 22:18:24 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.16-a crash / noun~~ray.cc 22:18:25 130/2283 milestones for * (0.16-a crash): N=130/2283 (5.69%) 22:18:50 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15-a crash noun~~ray.cc 22:18:50 3. [2014-07-23 07:47:26] Kipeekira the Skirmisher (L8 DrSk of Qazlal) ASSERT(in diamond int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed on turn 9264. (D:2) 22:19:04 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15-a crash noun~~ray.cc -2 22:19:05 2/3. [2014-07-09 14:27:33] Troglodyte the Impregnable (L19 GrGl of Okawaru) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 50996. (Elf:3) 22:19:08 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15-a crash noun~~ray.cc -3 22:19:08 1/3. [2014-06-20 18:43:22] bmfx the Destroyer (L20 DsWz of Vehumet) ASSERT(in diamond int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed on turn 53269. (Spider:5) 22:19:31 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14-a crash noun~~ray.cc 22:19:31 No milestones for * (0.14-a crash noun~~ray.cc). 22:19:37 <|amethyst> hm, I know that's not right 22:19:41 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14-a crash s=noun 22:19:41 1829 milestones for * (0.14-a crash): 346x ASSERT(idx < 5) in 'tilepick.cc' at line 5694 failed., 227x ?, 210x ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable, 166x ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 612: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster type 1000 (1000), 125x ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 499: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 248, 118x ERROR in 'd... 22:19:47 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14-a crash noun~~diamond 22:19:48 No milestones for * (0.14-a crash noun~~diamond). 22:19:56 <|amethyst> aha 22:20:00 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20:03 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14 crash noun~~ray.cc 22:20:04 1. [2014-04-25 00:07:00] Rikonman the Unseen (L16 KoBe of Trog) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 38986. (Swamp:1) 22:20:09 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.13 crash noun~~ray.cc 22:20:09 No milestones for * (0.13 crash noun~~ray.cc). 22:20:12 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14 crash noun~~ray.cc 22:20:13 1. [2014-04-25 00:07:00] Rikonman the Unseen (L16 KoBe of Trog) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 38986. (Swamp:1) 22:20:14 <|amethyst> so 22:20:35 that is the most horrible bisect method i have ever seen 22:20:43 <|amethyst> :P 22:20:49 <3 22:21:00 fr: "You bisect the foo!!!!!" 22:21:02 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15-a crash noun~~ray.cc 1 22:21:03 1/3. [2014-06-20 18:43:22] bmfx the Destroyer (L20 DsWz of Vehumet) ASSERT(in diamond int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed on turn 53269. (Spider:5) 22:21:10 <|amethyst> yeah 22:21:15 <|amethyst> that is after my change 22:21:32 <|amethyst> only one crash ever before my change, and many after 22:22:19 <|amethyst> granted, there are many more sources of shotgun beams now 22:22:52 <|amethyst> but I'm going to try reverting that and see how much that reduces the incidence 22:25:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:25:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2118-g63bad21: Revert "Round more vigorously in ray code." 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/63bad21b3db1 22:25:58 "The repository fails to defend itself. You bisect the repository like a worm!" 22:26:10 <|amethyst> 63bad21 22:26:13 <|amethyst> inauspicious 22:26:19 heh heh 22:26:35 <|amethyst> !crashlog 0.11 noun~~ray.cc 22:26:36 No milestones for |amethyst (0.11 noun~~ray.cc crash). 22:26:39 <|amethyst> !crashlog * 0.11 noun~~ray.cc 22:26:40 3. ghost, XL9 HaWn, T:8270 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/ghost/crash-ghost-20130407-012409.txt 22:27:32 <|amethyst> It's not new because it also happened with chaos projectiles when they bounced randomly 22:27:44 <|amethyst> (which led to that being removed) 22:28:17 ??bow of chaos 22:28:17 bow of chaos[1/1]: ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. 22:32:24 -!- wheals_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:01 hypractvChipmunk: "This soft Yak fiber is comparable to cashmere, angora or qiviut. The coarser outer hair or ‘guard hair’ is traditionally used to weave ropes, belts, and bags. It is also used for wigs in traditional Japanese theater." 22:34:00 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:34:36 -!- pblur_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:37 heh, that looks familiar 22:35:39 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:35:48 ProzacElf: tell me more! 22:37:10 "Yaks can fill a “boutique” niche suitable for large or small acreage owners. They provide a source of breeding stock, meat, fiber, milk and dairy products, hides, and horns. They make excellent pack and trekking animals. Most of all, their intelligence, agility, and distinct personality makes them a pleasure to own." 22:37:35 !send ProzacElf yaktaurs 22:37:36 Sending yaktaurs to ProzacElf. 22:37:41 aiiieeee 22:38:10 !send ProzacElf yaktaur captains 22:38:10 Sending yaktaur captains to ProzacElf. 22:38:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:59 noooooooo 22:39:17 "t's time to plan for the 2016 IYAK Show at the National Western Stock Show in Denver. Don't get left out!" 22:39:34 these yaktaur captains will present well at the show! 22:40:04 !send ProzacElf death yaktaurs 22:40:04 Sending death yaktaurs to ProzacElf. 22:40:44 what do you know about death yaktaurs?!? 22:41:06 http://www.iyak.org/yak-trekking-pets.html 22:41:08 !death the yaktaurs 22:41:08 Death has come for the yaktaurs... 22:41:21 <|amethyst> you know 22:41:22 Keep in mind that yaks are strong herd animals and do not do well by themselves. You will need two or more pack yaks. 22:42:04 "As small calves, yaks are easy to train and too small to challenge you." 22:42:08 <|amethyst> we are sorely lacking a yaktaur unique 22:42:32 <|amethyst> also, we should have more animal/magic-beast uniques 22:42:42 <|amethyst> (unintelligent even, like Lerny) 22:42:46 he should wield a comb and be overly-concerned with his glorious coif 22:42:51 !send |amethyst Jrmungandr 22:42:51 Sending Jrmungandr to |amethyst. 22:43:11 !send |amethyst the transdimensional hellspider 22:43:12 Sending the transdimensional hellspider to |amethyst. 22:43:24 we had discussed having an elephant one in ##crawl several weeks ago 22:43:28 <|amethyst> ??hydrataur 22:43:28 hydrataur[1/1]: One of four possible unique guardians at lvl 3 of the abyssal stair. Each of his nine necks ends in a javelin throwing humanoid torso, and he also buffs, heals and sprays hellfire. Carries the madness rune. 22:43:35 |amethyst: I maintain that the death yaktaur would be a good unique <.< 22:43:56 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: we kind of already do, but only in Sprint 22:43:59 <|amethyst> @??nellie 22:43:59 Nellie (13Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic | Res: 06magic(140), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3375 | Sp: fire breath (3d40) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 22:44:10 @??hellephant 22:44:11 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 148-199 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic | Res: 06magic(140), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3126 | Sp: fire breath (3d40) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 22:44:12 it held a spear in its trunk 22:44:14 <|amethyst> Grunt: perhaps it would 22:45:25 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:39 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:45 -!- Bamboomancer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:23 Don’t let your yaks bully you, start early on teaching them to respect your space and authority so when they weigh over half a ton they will not even consider challenging you. 22:54:34 important life lesson there 22:54:46 * Grunt throws the death yak! The death yak hits ProzacElf!!!!!!!!!!! 22:54:50 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:55:30 i thought i taught it to respect my spaaaaaaace! 22:55:45 * ProzacElf dies doing what he loves. getting crushed by 2000 lb mammals 22:56:11 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:58:06 -!- Turgor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:16 we'll have a procession of 27 black-furred yaktaur at his funeral. it's what he would have wanted 23:10:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:14:30 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:13 -!- gazzien has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:17:54 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:11 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:31:08 mmm. yes. 23:33:10 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:18 @??cockroach 23:37:18 unknown monster: "cockroach" 23:37:23 @??giant cockroach 23:37:23 giant cockroach (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 23:37:26 @??quokka 23:37:27 quokka (16r) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 5 | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 23:37:47 is there a meaningful difference between these two enemies 23:46:26 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:48:24 -!- gazzien has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:50:25 -!- Grunt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:50:57 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:51:50 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:44 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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