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ZZZzzz…] 00:18:23 ^ is directed at Chipmunk, how does that make it work on different branches? 00:18:26 er, not branches; floors 00:18:38 Ah floors. 00:18:41 wasn't the problem that you entered a floor and nothing happened? 00:18:49 Can you still use bribe branch on branch stairs? 00:19:05 no idea; i've never used the ability 00:19:27 i never even know you could 00:20:03 was it only certain floors of zot that the bug affected? 00:20:16 any floor with lots of high-hd monsters 00:20:22 (that's what i originally was thinking when i said "branch") 00:20:24 often this included v:5 00:20:34 -!- Leissi has quit [Client Quit] 00:20:59 well 00:21:04 your face includes v:5 00:21:06 so there 00:21:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21:25 told him 00:21:31 g'night >8) 00:21:36 Yeah you can use Bribe branch on branch Stairs 00:21:49 So bribing Branch:1 always worked. 00:22:08 -!- Vall has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.28/20150615172735]] 00:22:16 It is a buff for being able to use it on V:5 / Z:5, but not working there was clearly a bug. 00:22:21 and I think it used to work? 00:22:25 yes, it used to work 00:22:34 because bribe used to apply to far fewer monsters 00:22:39 eg, only draconians in zot 00:24:29 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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[src=cdo] comborobin the Fighter (L17 DsNe of Cheibriados), blasted by a lunar statue (crystal spear) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-10-16 15:09:33, with 178216 points after 26901 turns and 1:12:52. 11:42:23 not sure who plays comborobin on cdo 11:46:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:13 the uh 11:46:21 !lg * recent cdo s=name o=N 11:46:22 65237 games for * (recent cdo): 40591x ew, 2830x Svalbardcaretaker, 1801x sanka, 1304x comborobin, 955x Elynae, 827x hmm, 718x firemonkey, 680x Sebi, 655x Yxhuvud, 609x vogonpoet, 586x perunasaurus, 570x Kellhus, 490x soul, 482x jeanjacques, 473x FIQ, 454x Surr, 429x siepu, 422x Monkaria, 390x koelner, 377x Utis, 334x btt, 315x AKchallenge, 296x Xenophon, 288x wontolla, 248x XoMcA, 228x Gandelf, 2... 11:46:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:52 I'm fairly sure hmm plays comborobin a lot 11:47:00 no slightest idea about the rest, I did tetm but that's it 11:48:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:52:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:53:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:55:34 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:35 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:06 the confusion yesterday about which things are chaotic vs. which things are on zin's shitlist for using chaos could be greatly clarified by merging multi-holiness 12:14:14 then the chaotic things are the things with MH_CHAOTIC 12:14:24 (or maybe I called it MH_CHAOS? whatever) 12:18:46 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:26:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:01 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:46 Hi. Anyone here build crawl under babun on windows? 12:31:58 I'm getting a heap of errors 12:33:50 babun? never even heard of that 12:34:22 oh it's cygwin-based 12:34:44 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:34:45 yeah 12:34:48 |amethyst has some recent experience with this; I see that it's using a pre-packaged cygwin 12:34:59 this being cygwin, not babun 12:35:08 yeah, it's basically cygwin with a package installer and few other fancy things 12:35:09 and there was some patch that was needed 12:35:24 does our INSTALL.txt cover cygwin? 12:35:28 !source INSTALL.txt 12:35:28 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/contrib/sdl2/INSTALL.txt 12:35:33 derp 12:35:37 And it appears it's not reading the, how was it called, submodules 12:35:48 yeah, the contribs 12:35:55 cause it's stating it can't find freetype and sdl2 12:35:55 what's your build command? 12:36:03 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36:03 I'm just doing make TILES=y 12:36:10 as I was doing on msysgit on old pc 12:36:12 you probably need NO_PKGCONFIG=y 12:36:19 so it will build the contribs 12:36:28 But now mssygit is apparently only git for windows, and doesn't have make, so 12:36:34 Hmm, will try that 12:36:35 no, see install.txt 12:36:41 we're using git for windows sdk 12:36:46 which has make and a build env 12:36:56 not the install.txt I linked above, which is for sdl2 12:36:59 ??install 12:36:59 I don't have a page labeled install in my learndb. 12:37:03 I know, I know 12:37:03 ?/install.txt 12:37:04 Matching entries (1): compile[1]: see {!source INSTALL.txt} 12:37:08 rip 12:37:14 wait, what? 12:37:21 I installed git for windows today erlier 12:37:23 yes, use git for windows *sdk* 12:37:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 12:37:25 And it said it had no make 12:37:27 AH 12:37:33 the install.txt has the link 12:37:36 and the instructions 12:37:44 Well, now that I downloaded babun I might as well make it work with it 12:37:48 I mean, try 12:38:24 still failing with no_pkgconfig 12:38:41 In file included from tool/tile_colour.cc:4:0: 12:38:41 #include 12:38:44 it shouldn't give that error though 12:38:44 Something like that 12:38:48 it shoudl be a different error 12:38:55 yeah for cygwin, let me see 12:39:22 Why some lines didn't paste? 12:39:34 The error was: "/usr/include/stdlib.h:16:20: fatal error: stddef.h: No such file or directory" 12:39:38 Now it pasted. 12:40:07 if it's a pre-packaged cygwin it might be missing something; I recall there was some kind of patch needed 12:40:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:40:34 I'm not sure how their cygwin might differ from upstream 12:40:41 but apparently normal cygwin works for building crawl 12:40:54 anyhow git for windows sdk is the "official" way to build crawl on windows 12:41:30 I think I'll do that.. 12:41:35 It works out of the box? 12:41:43 yes, again see the install doc 12:41:45 With or without the NO_PKG(...)? 12:42:08 you don't need NO_PKGCONFIG=y 12:42:15 or anything else, just TILES=y (or not) 12:42:49 for launching console you do need to run "start crawl" instead of "./crawl" from the msys shell, but not for tiles 12:44:10 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:45:53 Nah, I'm playing tiles, will just make shortcut on desktop 12:47:04 ??tiles 12:47:04 tiles[1/16]: Blasphemy! Tiles do not exist! 12:47:43 ??tiles[6 12:47:43 tiles[6/16]: the monster list is everyone playing on it 12:47:47 good one N7 12:48:43 ??tiles[7 12:48:43 tiles[7/16]: loves: shields of reflection, chei, focus, food, hand axes, mifi, necromutation, rN, random blinking, finesse followed by berserk, staff monks, capitalized names, carrying scrolls of acquirement, rotting; hates: haste, flight, regeneration, and the r, q, V, W and P commands 12:48:50 I've never read these 12:53:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:56:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:31 !lm . br.enter=vaults -tv:channel=v:>2 12:58:32 Invalid channel name: v 12:58:36 !lm . br.enter=vaults -tv:channel=vaults:>2 12:58:37 175. gammafunk, XL13 DESu, T:9854 (milestone) requested for vaults: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:38 doh 13:00:42 !lm . br.enter=vaults -tv:channel=vaults:>2:cancel 13:00:43 175. gammafunk, XL13 DESu, T:9854 (milestone) cancel requested for vaults: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:00:51 !lm . br.end=vaults -tv:channel=vaults:>2 13:00:51 110. gammafunk, XL15 DESu, T:12592 (milestone) requested for vaults: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:03:37 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2098-gf59d6bc (34) 13:06:17 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 13:07:33 gammafunk: where should I put my .bashrc for that version of git for windows? 13:11:10 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:11:30 I'm not sure what ~/ defaults do under msys2 13:11:34 but basically there 13:11:51 so you can just e.g. '$ cp .bashrc ~/' 13:12:04 s/do under/to under/ 13:12:29 pwd after just 'cd' (to go to ~/) will tell you what that dir is 13:12:47 Apparently it defualts to C/users/username 13:12:59 it's probably platform-specific 13:13:09 that may be your actual windows home dir, for instance 13:13:16 in that version of windows 13:13:31 certainly sounds like it, at least 13:13:53 but that's an actual filesystem path in any case: C:\users\username in Windows itself 13:14:34 I think /C/users/username is the msys (and msys2) way of expressing that path 13:15:06 don't have my windows vm booted up atm 13:18:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:13 looks like it's compiling, though I got a few strange messages at the start 13:21:17 like "cc: not found" 13:21:51 yeah that one is ignoreable; a known bug with how we look for some compiler flags 13:23:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:56 And how about "which: no advpng in " and then a long list of folders? 13:25:12 There are two of those, second is for pngcrush 13:25:13 optional program used to compress tilesheets 13:25:17 both of them 13:25:29 looks for advpng, then for pngcrush, then uses them uncompressed 13:25:39 yeah, not sure if those are available anywhere 13:34:50 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:10 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:38:15 -!- Final has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:39:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:41:56 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:45:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:45:19 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:45:24 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:45:30 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:45:36 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:45:46 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:45:53 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:56 I'm getting the sense that demonblade is running into difficulties 13:46:02 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:46:07 !crash demonblade 13:46:08 39. demonblade, XL17 LOTm, T:51538 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/demonblade/crash-demonblade-20151017-174601.txt 13:46:13 <|amethyst> an orc is dropping 4 +2 hand axes 13:46:29 I think my 0.17 lava orc is a bit unstable 13:48:07 -!- Blade-_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:49:16 any suggestions on avoiding this crash? "don't play lava orcs"? 13:49:32 demonblade (L17 LOTm) ASSERT(item.quantity == 1) in 'items.cc' at line 2075 failed. (Orc:3) 13:49:48 <|amethyst> don't kill orcs carrying multiple axes until I get a fix in :) 13:49:54 <|amethyst> let me grab a copy of your save 13:49:56 hah 13:50:10 orc hoarders 13:50:24 <|amethyst> Blade-: can you save? 13:50:32 done 13:51:05 <|amethyst> okay, I have it 13:51:27 <|amethyst> you can go back to playing, though of course it might crash again 13:51:48 <|amethyst> shouldn't take too long to fix 13:55:07 thanks :) 13:55:46 <|amethyst> welcome back, btw :) 13:56:26 thanks. good to be back. 13:58:06 <|amethyst> hm.. this is a little confusing 13:58:43 <|amethyst> is_stackable_item returned false for weapons as far back as 0.8 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:27 something to do with hand axes -> tomahawks? 14:00:46 <|amethyst> yes, it's because monsters used to get stacks of spears and hand axes 14:03:33 -!- polom_ has quit [Quit: Quitte] 14:04:49 -!- Kealga has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:07:09 Two questions: "The program bug returns to its original shape as it dies." "You see a ghost!" Are both of these artefacts of monsters that don't exist in 0.17 being ported? 14:07:29 <|amethyst> the second is, at least 14:08:18 <|amethyst> possibly the first, though that might also be just that polymorphing didn't remember monsters' original form 14:08:29 <|amethyst> (it does not, so that they leave the right corpse) 14:08:32 <|amethyst> s/not/now/ 14:09:03 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:10:50 <|amethyst> Hm, I see two ways to fix 14:11:12 <|amethyst> 1. revert this, but put the re-added code inside an #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34 14:11:15 <|amethyst> %git 825eb3b 14:11:15 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-949-g825eb3b: Remove some (hopefully) unused code. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/825eb3baa240 14:11:28 <|amethyst> or 2. convert the weapons to tomahawks on load 14:12:24 03gerbias02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/153 * 0.17-a0-2016-g7137937: Cleanup code slightly. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/71379376d4d4 14:19:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:20:23 <|amethyst> seems to work 14:24:17 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2099-g910b1c6: Fix up monster stacks of throwing weapons from old saves. 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/910b1c66fd5a 14:24:23 <|amethyst> Rebuilding CAO 14:25:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2099-g910b1c6 (34) 14:30:49 <|amethyst> Blade-: you should be good to manually genocide orcs now 14:31:14 alas, the character in question has since died as a result of not remember how to play a two-year-old character. but thank you <3 14:31:17 until the next bug 14:31:26 <|amethyst> aww 14:31:42 <|amethyst> !lm * lo alive s=gid 14:31:43 4 milestones for * (lo alive): 3x Iralie:cao:20140111043513S, sugary:cao:20130506220946S 14:32:06 <|amethyst> and then there were two 14:32:33 should have been more careful 14:32:34 <|amethyst> (possibly more, if someone saved an LO before getting any milestones) 14:33:00 <|amethyst> !lg * lo -2 14:33:01 28069/28070. pisklak the Chopper (L6 LOBe of Trog), quit the game on D:4 on 2015-09-22 11:20:39, with 392 points after 2691 turns and 0:15:43. 14:33:03 <|amethyst> !lg * lo -3 14:33:04 28068/28070. ZucchiniSpooks the Chopper (L5 LOGl of Beogh), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:4 on 2015-08-21 04:13:29, with 210 points after 2703 turns and 0:15:18. 14:33:12 <|amethyst> !lg * lo -4 14:33:12 28067/28070. iCake the Firebug (L2 LOFE), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:2 on 2015-08-13 00:24:35, with 17 points after 1100 turns and 0:08:26. 14:33:16 <|amethyst> !lg * lo -5 14:33:17 28066/28070. zac the Cleaver (L10 LOFE of Okawaru), slain by Snorg on D:10 on 2015-08-02 10:29:38, with 6596 points after 12502 turns and 1:57:02. 14:34:17 noooooo 14:34:20 someone quit!?!? 14:35:04 !lg * lo 14:35:04 28070. demonblade the Sensei (L18 LOTm of Okawaru), blasted by a war gargoyle (spray of metal splinters) on Vaults:2 (dpeg_vaults_monster_row) on 2015-10-17 18:12:55, with 212698 points after 57456 turns and 3:09:08. 14:35:07 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:12 man, war gargoyles 14:35:21 !lg * lo x=status 14:35:22 28070. [status=blade hands,heroism] demonblade the Sensei (L18 LOTm of Okawaru), blasted by a war gargoyle (spray of metal splinters) on Vaults:2 (dpeg_vaults_monster_row) on 2015-10-17 18:12:55, with 212698 points after 57456 turns and 3:09:08. 14:35:29 !lg * lo x=status,ac,ev,mhp 14:35:29 28070. [status=blade hands,heroism;ac=13;ev=27;mhp=168] demonblade the Sensei (L18 LOTm of Okawaru), blasted by a war gargoyle (spray of metal splinters) on Vaults:2 (dpeg_vaults_monster_row) on 2015-10-17 18:12:55, with 212698 points after 57456 turns and 3:09:08. 14:35:42 yeah we forgot to have ac 14:35:43 -!- cojito has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:50 I went on stupidity-autopilot there. tabbed towards a lich and a wargoyle without even buffs. I deserved the death 14:36:00 was ozo available? 14:36:06 does that even work with lo? 14:36:10 no 14:36:31 !lg * lo x=status,ac,ev,mhp -log 14:36:32 28070. demonblade, XL18 LOTm, T:57456: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/demonblade/morgue-demonblade-20151017-181255.txt 14:37:46 !apt lo 14:37:46 Could not understand "lo" 14:37:49 aww 14:38:01 !apt dj 14:38:01 Could not understand "dj" 14:38:19 i think they had the same uc and tmut apts as mf 14:38:22 lo that is 14:39:10 oh mf apt for tmut? 14:39:11 !apt mf 14:39:12 Mf: Fighting: 1, Short: 2, Long: 1, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: 4!, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: 0, Armour: -3*, Dodge: 3, Stealth: 2, Shields: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: 0, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: -2, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Fire: -3*, Ice: 1, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 0, MP: 0 14:39:53 i think so 14:40:02 i remember them having a good tmut apt anyway 14:40:09 might have only been +2 though 14:44:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:26 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:08 reaverb: I finally remembered to ask for reddit flair for you for /r/dcss 14:49:19 gammafunk: Cool :D 14:49:19 I also asked the mods of /r/roguelikes 14:49:24 for all of us, that is 14:49:36 there's also: https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikedev 14:49:46 which wheals and bh are secretly posting in 14:51:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:11 Which I discovered when reading this: https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/3p2jfu/dcss_map_variety/ 14:52:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:54:34 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:09 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:21 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:02:10 heh 15:03:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 15:04:11 -!- melenkurio has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:04:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06:57 -!- vale__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:11 -!- melenkuri has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:14:33 -!- melen has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16:44 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:21:04 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:30 !send gammafunk an iron giant 15:23:30 Sending an iron giant to gammafunk. 15:24:48 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:26:08 Grunt: do you care much either way about opc existing if the iron giant can exist regardless? 15:26:14 er 15:26:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:26:26 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:26:28 an iron giant <.< 15:26:33 ah 15:26:36 wait 15:26:38 if iron giants become a normal enemy, I think opc should be crushed 15:26:40 you want it to be not a unique 15:26:48 if a unique, I don't care either way 15:26:49 hrm 15:26:58 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:07 those would be a pretty top-tier depths threat 15:27:09 interesting 15:27:11 I like the idea of making them a normal enemy - it gives us a new enemy to add in Dis 15:27:16 this is true 15:27:42 otoh we lose a "water placement" enemy, not that opc were great at being that, but 15:27:53 solution: come up with a new water enemy? 15:28:09 somewhere I have a design for an "octopode polluter" <.< 15:28:14 yeah, a difficult problem, but basically independent of opc 15:28:17 (it was a bad design but still) 15:28:37 right now I am tinkering with a "gruntstuff" branch 15:28:42 ho boy 15:28:46 it has: conversion of iron giant into normal enemy (removal of opc) 15:28:53 sounds good 15:28:53 the crystal colossus (because I want a giant Depths unique dammit) 15:29:00 by the way, you all did an incredible job with the new gods and races. It's cool to come back and see so many fascinating options open up. 15:29:01 spider -> genus only, spark wasps <3 15:29:11 yeah your patch makes more sense to me now 15:29:19 I was just thinking iron giant was also a unique 15:29:27 right now iron giant is a unique, yes 15:29:31 since that was the original patch 15:29:32 (a sprint unique) 15:30:00 yeah but the sprint unique isn't going to be terribly like the new one; but sure, this sounds reasonable 15:30:12 I need to look at crystal collusus again 15:30:23 let me extract the patch out of this 15:30:27 but i have the patch 15:30:30 unless you've changed it 15:30:51 slightly - the giant_chief_lemuel update now places "patrolling the crystal colossus / patrolling iron giant" 15:30:57 (and is part of that patch too) 15:31:04 other than that, unchanged 15:31:09 lol, I see hints of jormungandr in this patch 15:31:15 s/hints/traces/ 15:31:16 <. he had some kind of multibreath 15:31:29 ah 15:31:50 J�rmungandr had fire cloud and poisonous cloud i i r c 15:32:32 man I have too many enemy ideas I want to polish up 15:33:41 this guy should get 15:33:44 @??serpent_of_hell 15:33:44 the Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 17 | HP: 280 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 3504(fire:17-33) per head, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11321 | Sp: {head 1: fire breath (3d34), head 2: flaming cloud (d25), head 3: fireball (3d27)} [11!AM.. 15:33:52 breaks doors 15:33:58 hah 15:34:09 I was thinking recently that juggernauts could get door-breaking >.> 15:34:16 (cannot stop the juggernaut with a mere door!!!) 15:34:33 (and too slow to just open them) 15:34:41 for a juggernaut ranged attack: bolt of door destruction 15:34:44 also, "The juggernaut puts on a burst of speed!" 15:34:50 fr: iron rod breaks doors 15:35:01 I think move speed 15 covers a burst of speed 15:35:36 @??alligator 15:35:36 alligator (12t) | Spd: 10 (act: 80%; swim: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 56-89 | AC/EV: 5/9 | Dam: 30, 15 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 892 | Sp: swiftness [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 15:35:54 wow, act: 80%? 15:36:07 does they need to be so obtuse 15:36:28 what. 15:36:34 I thought I caught all of the instances of that :| 15:36:45 actually I bet I know why that's the case 15:37:04 %git d63ab3c59 15:37:04 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-1116-gd63ab3c: Simplify monster intelligence 10(5 months ago, 28 files, 552+ 639-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d63ab3c59aa3 15:37:09 no, not that 15:37:24 s/does/do/ 15:37:49 %git caca6cf87 15:37:50 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-758-gcaca6cf: Merge levitation and flight. 10(6 months ago, 43 files, 812+ 917-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/caca6cf87427 15:37:53 also not that 15:38:20 it's a quiz: which of the following commits is the one Grunt is thiking of 15:39:41 -!- Balkanpizza has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:00 fr: reduce mf polearms to +2 15:40:15 huh, they have had that since they were first added 15:40:19 %git d619ec97 15:40:20 07due02 * 0.6.0-a1-2625-gd619ec9: Add (rename) crocodiles and alligators. 10(6 years ago, 18 files, 121+ 53-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d619ec97ac10 15:40:28 also it looks like they've had the wrong behaviour since then anyway 15:40:33 it looks like they were intended to be slow 15:40:43 action energy makes them faster, not slower <.< 15:41:41 hah 15:41:56 ??alligaor 15:41:56 alligaor ~ alligator[1/1]: Moderately nasty amphibious monster in Swamp, with decent damage, speed, and a swiftness fauxspell. Occasionally comes with baby alligators. 15:42:45 <|amethyst> I don't think it's wrong... they are slow at moving compared to the babies 15:43:04 <|amethyst> "I considered using a combination of high speed and adjusted movement energy 15:43:15 hm 15:43:15 !learn edit alligator[1] s/ Occasionally.*/In 0.16-, occasionally came with baby alligators./ 15:43:16 alligator[1/1]: Moderately nasty amphibious monster in Swamp, with decent damage, speed, and a swiftness fauxspell.In 0.16-, occasionally came with baby alligators. 15:43:18 <|amethyst> but instead chose normal speed and adjusted action energy 15:43:30 !learn edit alligator[1] s/.In/. In/ 15:43:30 alligator[1/1]: Moderately nasty amphibious monster. In Swamp, with decent damage, speed, and a swiftness fauxspell.In 0.16-, occasionally came with baby alligators. 15:43:34 rip 15:43:34 dammit 15:43:46 didn't fauxspells turn into real spells or something 15:43:50 !learn edit alligator[1] s/\.In/. In/ 15:43:50 alligator[1/1]: Moderately nasty amphibious monster. In Swamp, with decent damage, speed, and a swiftness fauxspell. In 0.16-, occasionally came with baby alligators. 15:44:15 !learn set alligator Moderately nasty amphibious monster in Swamp, with decent damage, speed, and a swiftness fauxspell. In 0.16-, occasionally came with baby alligators. 15:44:16 alligator[1/1]: Moderately nasty amphibious monster in Swamp, with decent damage, speed, and a swiftness fauxspell. In 0.16-, occasionally came with baby alligators. 15:45:00 Balkanpizza: a lot of "monster abilites" were converted into spells (whether magical or natural spells); swiftness in this case has always been a natural-ability-as-spell 15:45:30 Oh. 15:46:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:13 %git HEAD^{/ACTION_ENERGY} 15:46:13 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-550-g650a542: Base slouch damage on monster movement speed (kvaak) 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/650a54270f48 15:46:19 %git HEAD^{/ACTION_ENERGY}^^{/ACTION_ENERGY} 15:46:19 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2986-gd1872aa: De-ACTION_ENERGY ugly things; set their speed properly in ghost.cc. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1872aa6dd45 15:46:36 ??baby_alligator 15:46:36 baby alligator[1/1]: Seen in packs with their adult counterparts, they are slightly faster than the average race, hit as hard as a crocodile, but have more health. Not a great threat unless multiple ones gang up on you in water. 15:46:41 %git HEAD^{/ACTION_ENERGY}^^{/ACTION_ENERGY}^^{/ACTION_ENERGY} 15:46:41 07wheals02 * 0.14-a0-2963-ge1cf388: Give (very) ugly things ACTION_ENERGY back. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1cf388e90bd 15:46:44 %git HEAD^{/ACTION_ENERGY}^^{/ACTION_ENERGY}^^{/ACTION_ENERGY}^^{/ACTION_ENERGY} 15:46:44 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2573-g4c9fca9: Clean up / adjust mostly spurious uses of ACTION_ENERGY. 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 1 file, 18+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c9fca9d67b1 15:47:02 !lear edit baby_alligator s/$/ Removed in 0.17/ 15:47:12 !learn edit baby_alligator s/$/ Removed in 0.17./ 15:47:13 baby alligator[1/1]: Seen in packs with their adult counterparts, they are slightly faster than the average race, hit as hard as a crocodile, but have more health. Not a great threat unless multiple ones gang up on you in water. Removed in 0.17. 15:47:34 ??vapour 15:47:34 vapour[1/2]: Invisible cloud of roiling death. And lightning. They wander around randomly, but eventually you will be on the business end of a lightning bolt. Top Tip: avoid. (or just play 0.15+, where they have been removed.) 15:47:59 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51:43 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:54:54 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:13 -!- Balkanpizza has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:05:15 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:07:36 -!- Balkanpizza has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:29 New branch created: flatweap (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/flatweap 16:11:29 03|amethyst02 07[flatweap] * 0.17-a0-2100-gd58b3e6: Flatten weapon aptitudes. 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 97+ 89-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d58b3e632a6e 16:12:18 <|amethyst> oh, I rounded high elf wrong, they should be -1 16:13:25 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:13:48 03|amethyst02 07[flatweap] * 0.17-a0-2101-gb967295: Correct high elf weapon aptitudes. 10(13 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b9672956520a 16:15:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:56 You flatten the weapon aptitudes like a pancake!!!! 16:18:36 |amethyst: curious - what's the purpose of this? 16:18:56 <|amethyst> err? 16:19:03 <|amethyst> to flatten weapon aptitudes 16:19:12 i.e. what's the purpose of doing so 16:19:19 curious - what's the purpose of flattening weapon aptitudes? 16:19:22 <|amethyst> so that there won't be no-brainers like "pick a polearm with merfolk" 16:19:26 * Grunt flattens gammafunk like a pancake!!! 16:19:39 <|amethyst> or "use bows and not slings on a centaur" 16:19:58 -!- gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19:58 <|amethyst> well, there still will be, but then that becomes a matter of balancing the different weapon categories 16:20:09 <|amethyst> rather than balancing both weapon categories and races 16:21:40 <|amethyst> also, unless there's some physiological reason (which is generally handled by size and handedness anyway), it's a bit racist to say e.g. "merfolk are good with polearms" 16:22:04 clearly it's a cultural thing 16:22:05 >.> 16:22:19 <|amethyst> that's like saying "white southerners are good with shotguns, africans are good with pistols" 16:22:39 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:22:50 so whens the commit to flatten magical attributes 16:23:12 flatten all attributes 16:23:24 s/attributes/aptitudes/ 16:23:41 <|amethyst> that one will need a little more thought, because the skills aren't equally important 16:23:41 we probably shouldn't have seperate weapon aptitudes at al if they're all going to be the same 16:24:01 (or separate weapons) 16:24:11 !send Blade- a giant spiked demon blade 16:24:11 Sending a giant spiked demon blade to Blade-. 16:24:22 <|amethyst> having separate aptitudes reduces the effective amount of loot for higher-level characters who have already trained a weapon skill 16:24:49 <|amethyst> could merge the aptitudes and cut the number of weapons by 5/6 or so 16:25:17 we don't really ahve reduced effecitve amount of loot for higher-level characters as any expressed goal 16:25:28 the reward for not training other skills needlessly is you win the game 16:25:28 <|amethyst> I should say, 16:25:54 <|amethyst> changing weapons to all use the same aptitude greatly increases the number of useful weapons you will find 16:26:04 <|amethyst> so seems like a straight-up buff to players 16:26:19 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:26:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:56 well you've flattened those in this commit, so they're all the same 16:27:11 -!- anon3 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:18 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:22 -!- anon3 has quit [Client Quit] 16:27:42 but more to the point anyone wanting to use a weapon they find needs to have skill points in the relevant skill 16:28:11 crosstraining exists but you only get so many skill points from crosstraining 16:30:07 <|amethyst> if you are a merfolk with 10 skill in polearms and you find a really good randart great mace, should you switch? 16:30:16 <|amethyst> if they use the same aptitude, then you should 16:30:55 <|amethyst> s/aptitude/skill/ 16:31:00 I like that players have to commit to a weapon type, it causes different characters to feel different and might influence other choices sometimes (Ex. polearm users might be more likely to learn conjure flame). 16:31:07 Although I support flattening weapon apps. 16:31:10 s/apps/apts/ 16:31:12 yeah I'm not arguing that the skills would be the same 16:31:19 <|amethyst> oh 16:31:44 <|amethyst> I'm not sure what you mean by "shouldn't have separate weapon aptitudes" then 16:31:44 but if they're flattened, it seems we should just have "melee aptitude" and "ranged" aptitude 16:31:58 <|amethyst> oh, one aptitudes entry for six skills 16:32:06 <|amethyst> that probably makes sense 16:32:32 <|amethyst> but is moderately complicated to do 16:32:41 but I also don't agree with the idea that it's "racist" in any bad way to have merfolk better at one thing and not another 16:32:49 merfolk are better at swinning in water 16:32:53 *swimming 16:33:06 <|amethyst> since right now there's a one-to-one mapping between skills and aptitudes (and they use the same enum) 16:33:29 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 16:34:24 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure that using a bardiche underwater is actually any easier than using a large axe underwater 16:34:29 <|amethyst> spears and tridents, sure 16:34:37 but do you have webbed hands and have tested this irl? 16:35:10 just saying that these are different "species" and they can be better at doing certain kinds of things wrt lore 16:35:12 |amethyst: One thing is maybe the new weapon aptitude should be the max of the old apps rather than the average? HO for examples mostly used axes, so placing all their weapon apts at +2 or +3 would probably make them play closer to how they do currently. 16:35:20 not that they must in all things, of course 16:36:30 reaverb: That would be pretty weird in the case of ogres 16:37:33 also flattening weapon apts is a pretty big nerf in quite a few cases; ogres going from +3 M&F to -1 is a massive drop, as is merfolk going from +4 polearms to 0 16:38:24 we had no choice, since cheibrodos became a greaterogre they must be nerfed 16:38:34 !nerf ogres 16:38:35 * Sequell nerfs ogres!!! 16:38:49 I think the main issue is "no-brainer" weapon decisions like there are for Og and Mf 16:39:48 this does make the design more sane but it's also going to be somewhat difficult to preserve difficulty levels within species 16:40:18 obviously we don't want weird hacks like "og get a damage boost from m&f" since that's even worse 16:40:19 gammafunk: What do you mean by "perserve difficulty levels within species?" 16:40:31 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:40:41 well right now you start an Og, you pick up a mace, and you go, getting a fast damage/accuracy progression 16:40:54 with flat Og apts you won't get this damage/accuracy progression 16:41:03 <|amethyst> reaverb's suggestion of using the max instead of average would help for that 16:41:10 heh 16:41:29 I don't buy a *complete* flattening of aptitudes - it seems like a straight up nerf (and reduction in species distinction) in several cases - which leads me to wonder what a smoothing out (partial flattening) would be like. 16:41:33 <|amethyst> I'm a little wary of making merfolk the best race at melee, but I guess they already are (excepting GC/GSC perhaps) 16:41:37 also a "use max" would be a straight-up buff in too many cases. 16:41:43 yes 16:41:46 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:05 partial flattening, as in flatten certain classes, Grunt? 16:42:08 or how do you mean 16:42:08 yeah4 16:42:18 partial flattening as in "average between flat and current aptitudes" 16:42:19 +4 weapon apts everywhere for Mf seems kind of too good 16:42:25