00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:02:48 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:04:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:05:39 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 00:15:07 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:01 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:27:38 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-2093-gc772f4b (34) 00:27:40 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:29:45 -!- Saka has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:29 !lg * br=shoals ckaux~~freezing 00:31:30 170. ggum12 the Spry (L18 DsTm of Ru), mangled by a merfolk javelineer (a +1 spear of freezing) on Shoals:3 (lightli_airlock) on 2015-10-10 10:29:11, with 225699 points after 60474 turns and 5:12:38. 00:31:44 !lg * place=shoals:4 current trunk ckaux~~freezing 00:31:45 12. klsh78012 the Spry (L18 OpTm of Gozag), demolished by a merfolk impaler (a +5 trident of freezing) (kmap: shoals_rune_alternative) on Shoals:4 on 2015-10-10 08:29:43, with 205454 points after 28673 turns and 2:14:48. 00:31:56 !lg * place=shoals:4 current trunk s=kmap 00:31:57 591 games for * (place=shoals:4 current trunk): 255x, 67x shoals_rune_alternative, 67x shoalhut_rune, 61x shoalhut, 35x shoal_ilsuiw, 34x shoals_ilsuiw_alternative, 28x shoals_rune_alternative_decoy, 21x uniq_polyphemus, 6x uniq_mara, 3x uniq_jorgrun, 2x nicolae_shoals_hunting_party, 2x hangedman_shoal_octodias, 2x nicolae_shoals_aquamancer_cove, 2x hangedman_shoals_cup_caves, nicolae_shoals_merto... 00:32:05 !lg * place=shoals:4 current trunk kmap~~grunt 00:32:06 No games for * (place=shoals:4 current trunk kmap~~grunt). 00:32:15 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:32:42 hrm, not sure about shoalhut and shoalhut_rune 00:32:48 maybe those are the original 00:32:53 !vault shoalshut_rune 00:32:54 Can't find shoalshut_rune. 00:32:58 !vault shoalhut_rune 00:32:59 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/shoals.des#l1115 00:33:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Rayleigh the Devastator (L16 OpVM of Sif Muna), blasted by a white imp (puff of frost) (kmap: portal_ice_cave_entry_imps) on Shoals:1 on 2015-03-08 12:29:57, with 105144 points after 30618 turns and 6:23:09. 01:24:18 !lg * current trunk shoals kmap~~garden 01:24:19 No games for * (current trunk shoals kmap~~garden). 01:24:23 hm 01:26:19 -!- airwave87 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:21 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:33 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 01:32:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:37 -!- Kramell has quit [Quit: reconnecting...] 01:33:14 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:34:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:44 Found tha +0 leathar armour o' Fun an' Games {rPois rN+++ Str-3 Int-3}. 01:34:55 Fun shall be had in that, boys and girls! 01:36:44 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:37:26 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:40:53 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:41:11 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:42:27 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:40 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:25 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:48:39 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:38 -!- Milski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2093-gc772f4b 01:57:51 from tiletex.cc: GenericTexture::~GenericTexture() 01:58:01 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:58:01 that's a destructor, yeah? I've never seen them declared like that before 01:58:03 -!- Xelif has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59:39 yes 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:29 hypractvChipmunk: does it imply anything different from a normal destructor? 02:01:56 -!- Milski has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:26 Is there like... a file I can edit to make 27 Invo Disaster Area not take three minutes to finish casting? 02:03:05 and if not, is there a way to make it just default to not doing that 02:03:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:04:32 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:04:42 Guest6692: i don't believe so 02:06:01 hypractvChipmunk: thanks 02:06:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:06:35 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:24 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:10:08 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:11:29 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:18 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:47 Does anyone here have access to the sequell logs? 02:18:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:21:36 -!- eb has quit [] 02:34:22 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:36:20 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:42 -!- Milski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:44:55 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:51 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:39 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2093-gc772f4b 02:51:25 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:51:28 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 02:58:10 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:45 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:03:14 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:23 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:06 -!- Guest6692 is now known as Wensley 03:12:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:13:55 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:15:53 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:16:30 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:22:10 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2093-gc772f4b (34) 03:24:23 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:33:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:34 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:37:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:38:23 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:39:15 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:44:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:45:20 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47:28 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:51:49 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:53:19 -!- shrinkshooter_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:31 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:56:22 -!- ruby__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56:40 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:56:49 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:14 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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ZZZzzz…] 09:50:54 -!- inire2 is now known as inire 09:53:40 -!- Magic_ is now known as Adventurer 09:54:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:06 Pereza0 (L24 HaAr) (Depths:2) 10:02:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:06:02 !crashlog 10:06:02 12093. Pereza0, XL24 HaAr, T:71259 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Pereza0/crash-Pereza0-20151016-140104.txt 10:06:38 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:11:37 no clue (no gdb) 10:14:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:16:42 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:17:11 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:17:19 <|amethyst> it's sigterm so probably isn't a crash exactly 10:17:28 <|amethyst> though could have been a freeze 10:18:13 right 10:19:29 <|amethyst> there is a while (changed) loop in handle_behaviour that might be able to go infinite 10:20:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:20:33 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:27:30 is that giant negative attributes value normal? 10:31:21 yup, appears to be this: you.attribute[ATTR_SEEN_INVIS_SEED] = random_int(); 10:31:25 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:12 I wonder what those explosions were that caused the noise to crash it 10:33:18 ah 10:33:59 I mean, I assume it was the explosions 10:39:44 -!- Blade- is now known as blade- 10:40:13 -!- blade- is now known as Blade- 10:40:50 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:43:25 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:29 -!- siepu__ has quit [Client Quit] 10:51:52 -!- cojito has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:06 -!- hypractvChipmunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:59:48 -!- hypractvChipmunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:15 -!- trueamericanhero has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:02:53 -!- athros has quit [Quit: Bye bye] 11:19:00 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 11:22:12 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:08 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:30:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:37:30 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 11:42:14 -!- airwave87 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:55 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:06 -!- JellieJels has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11:50 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:25:30 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25:46 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28:18 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:29:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:31:14 New branch created: pull/151 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/151 12:31:14 03pblur02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/151 * 0.17-a0-2094-g73ca092: Make ring of shadows stack with Dith and Yred 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/73ca09225627 12:31:28 I had a random thought while looking at umbra code, and have been wanting to test the full pull request instructions alex gave, so I went through and put it together. 12:31:42 I don't know if it's desireable or not... 12:39:46 -!- njorth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:25 -!- Xenobreeder_ is now known as Xenobreeder 12:43:44 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:44:19 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:45:31 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:34 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:48:18 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:56:10 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:18:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:35 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:22:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23:05 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:23:55 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2093-gc772f4b (34) 13:25:57 -!- cojitoo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:38:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40:50 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42:47 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:43:16 -!- hypractvChipmunk has quit [Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.26] 13:43:36 -!- hypractvChipmunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:22 ?? 13:52:38 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:54:24 -!- JellieJels has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:26 ??! 14:00:26 ![1/3]: ! adds an annotation to your current floor. ! (glyph) represents a potion. See ![2] for !'s on hit. 14:02:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:03:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:41 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" "You die, stupid. That's why it's called reality."] 14:21:46 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:22:04 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:36:09 -!- st_ has quit [] 14:36:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:04 .gfgk 14:37:04 45. comborobin the Fighter (L17 DsNe of Cheibriados), blasted by a lunar statue (crystal spear) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-10-16 15:09:33, with 178216 points after 26901 turns and 1:12:52. 14:37:12 nice, the first lunar statue kill 14:37:19 .gfgk x=dam,sdam 14:37:20 45. [dam=38;sdam=38] comborobin the Fighter (L17 DsNe of Cheibriados), blasted by a lunar statue (crystal spear) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-10-16 15:09:33, with 178216 points after 26901 turns and 1:12:52. 14:44:52 .moon name=comborobin 14:44:52 18. [2015-10-16 15:03:07] comborobin the Basher (L16 DsNe of Cheibriados) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 25189. (Elf:1) 14:45:01 .moon name=comborobin -tv:channel=moon:>$ 14:45:02 18. comborobin, XL16 DsNe, T:25189 (milestone) requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:50:34 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:57:53 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:59:05 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:13 -!- Saka has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:03 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:09:08 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:31 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 15:17:42 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:21:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:01 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:34:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:36:11 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:33 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:41:58 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:24 -!- CacoS has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:49:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03:31 Both Doesnt and I have had Gozag games lately where we used bribe branch and it immediately was exhausted without doing anything... is it specialcased to not work in zot? 16:03:43 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:40 pblur: i filed an issue about that a week or two ago. there's a bug that makes it not work in areas with lots of powerful monsters 16:05:06 |amethyst knows the details of the problem better than i do 16:06:23 Gotcha 16:11:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:12:28 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:15:48 I think the basic issue is if there are enough really strong enemies in an area, the bribe runs out immediately and so they all effectively end up not bribed anyways 16:16:40 Lightli: well, it's *supposed* to be the case that enemies who are bribed stay bribed once you run out of money 16:16:44 so that would be a fine behavior 16:17:04 the problem is that they "use up" the bribe fund as soon as you press ac, but only actually get converted when they enter LOS 16:20:23 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:20:41 !learn edit book_of_cantrips[1] s/0.15/0.15+/ 16:20:41 book of cantrips[1/1]: Confusing Touch, Animate Skeleton, Summon Small Mammal, Apportation. In 0.15+, has Corona instead of Confusing Touch. 16:21:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:22 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 16:24:01 !learn set book_of_cantrips Corona, Animate Skeleton, Summon Small Mammal, Apportation. In 0.14-, had Confusing Touch instead of Corona. 16:24:01 book of cantrips[1/1]: Corona, Animate Skeleton, Summon Small Mammal, Apportation. In 0.14-, had Confusing Touch instead of Corona. 16:27:49 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:32:39 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37:48 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: did you see the bribe-running-out-immediately bug? 16:38:33 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: and do you have suggestions on how to deal with it? the problem is that on a tough floor the bribe $$ might be used up immediately, before you see a single monster 16:39:02 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: and if that happens, you don't get the lasting effects of the bribe, because things only change attitude when you see them 16:39:40 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: probably this happens in a less noticeable way in other branches, where your bribe might expire on entering a floor, before you have affected any monsters on that floor 16:40:07 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: Is there a reason the bribe cost is deducted immediately rather than when you get the benefit? 16:41:00 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:16 New branch created: pull/152 (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/152 16:45:16 03Hong Won Gi02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/152 * 0.17-a0-2075-g590e234: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/crawl/master' 10(2 days ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/590e2347c2f9 16:45:16 03Hong Won Gi02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/152 * 0.17-a0-2076-gf9cf925: hard coded ability name string to define for translate. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 151+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9cf925f9cfd 16:45:16 03Hong Won Gi02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/152 * 0.17-a0-2096-g9b34310: Merge git://github.com/crawl/crawl 10(40 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9b34310a2d17 16:45:16 03Hong Won Gi02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/152 * 0.17-a0-2097-gf536db1: update dat/description for korean 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 289+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f536db157c60 16:46:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:17 |amethyst: some attempts as i8n in the PR there, probably not going to work that way? 16:49:27 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50:27 s/as/at/ 16:51:52 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:52:27 <|amethyst> gammafunk: probably not... I'm not sure why you'd use a #define rather than just TR("...") 16:52:32 <|amethyst> or _("....") 16:52:57 <|amethyst> also #define ABIL_NAME_SELF-RESTORATION TR(....) isn't going to work 16:53:22 no - in define names? 16:53:34 oh - as an operator? 16:53:43 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:53:50 <|amethyst> yeah, that defined ABIL_NAME_SELF to be -RESTORATION TR(...) 16:53:55 <|amethyst> s/ned/nes/ 16:54:46 <|amethyst> I imagine that PR was just supposed to be the last commit, but the others were accidentally included 16:55:03 Well I think the submitter has limited english, but we might want to comment at some point how this approach won't work 16:55:21 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:55:27 <|amethyst> it's not that it won't work 16:56:31 well is that really how we'd go about making translations? I mean, I don't kow if this way of doing things will be helpful 16:56:47 <|amethyst> I have no idea how we would 16:57:18 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 16:57:39 <|amethyst> this seems like a hand-rolled gettext-type thing 16:57:56 <|amethyst> I guess the #defines for the keys at least means that you'd get an error if you mistyped one 16:58:05 <|amethyst> an error from the compiler rather than from gettext 16:58:07 -!- njorth_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:58:28 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:58:31 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:58:43 <|amethyst> this approach is probably fine for translating user interface elements, ability names, etc 16:58:53 <|amethyst> the hard problem is translating messages that have grammar 16:59:02 |amethyst: i saw it yeah, but hadn't had any idea how to fix it (and haven't had much time for crawl stuff recently) 16:59:05 <|amethyst> s/messages/procedurally-generated &/ 16:59:40 but it's the first thing i will try to look into when i get a chance 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:06 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: do you recall if there was a reason for deducting the cost up-front instead of when the monster is converted? 17:00:44 i don't remember, but i can't think of any reason off the top of my head 17:00:54 so yeah, maybe changing that would do the trick 17:00:57 <|amethyst> I might look into it as well then 17:01:00 true i18n is going to be absolutely brutal in crawl... in more ways than you will even expect 17:01:02 <|amethyst> but not today :) 17:01:33 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:02:37 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:51 anything with grammar will require multiple variable substitutions per format string, and not necessarily the same number for any two given languages 17:03:11 it make hed asplode 17:04:06 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: just changing Crawl to do German instead of English (not in addition to) would require substantial rewrites 17:04:30 <|amethyst> since all of a sudden you have to worry about case and gender of nouns 17:06:12 <|amethyst> in general, the substituting context (the %foo) and the thing being substituted in (the parameter) have to pass info back and forth 17:06:42 <|amethyst> (and the info that needs to be passed around in such a way differs from one language to the next) 17:08:02 <|amethyst> I say we start by replacing all the English strings produced by Crawl with sexpr-formatted parse trees 17:08:03 nethack doesn't have i8n, does it? 17:08:30 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:48 too bad transifex fell apart 17:09:10 <|amethyst> not in general, but 17:09:32 <|amethyst> http://www.netzhack.de/ 17:09:40 <|amethyst> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_in_other_languages 17:09:52 one bonus for moving crawl to german is we get three umlaut glyphs and Eszett as canonical glyphs 17:10:08 <|amethyst> six umlaut glyphs 17:10:12 yeah true 17:10:12 |amethyst: any relation between that and bhaak's nethack.de? 17:10:33 <|amethyst> oh 17:10:42 <|amethyst> not sure 17:10:49 <|amethyst> but yeah, bhaak's was the one I was actually thinking of 17:10:57 nethack-de, rather 17:10:59 translate it to swedish and you get åÅ töö 17:11:02 er, too 17:11:38 armenian translation when 17:11:58 angels already have haloes so Å seems kind of redundant though 17:14:25 how about capital ẙ 17:14:27 for holy cow 17:15:39 ÌŠY 17:16:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:17:25 (my irc client's text field does not deal with combining characters very well) 17:18:01 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:46 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:26:44 is your irc client running on Windows 95, per chance? 17:27:47 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:28:06 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:56 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:30:55 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:32:13 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:16 huh. apparently the default compose stuff can do ẙ but not the uppercase version 17:34:22 -!- mmaud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:57 we've got kraut, doesn't that satisfy the German players? 17:35:22 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:26 -!- hypractvChipmunk has quit [Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.26] 17:36:39 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:37:27 -!- hypractvChipmunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:46 -!- Wirewraith has quit [Quit: BYE] 17:46:43 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:47:09 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:03 geekosaur: ẙ is a code point; the uppercase version is not 17:48:40 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:48:45 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:49 <|amethyst> which also explains why ÌŠY looks like shit in my font 17:51:36 I see it as an upper-case Y with the circle above but several pixels to the left 17:51:42 closer to the previous letter than to the Y 17:52:03 <|amethyst> in my font and terminal, the circle is above the Y, but touching the right arm 17:52:14 -!- predator117 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:38 which terminal do you use, Xterm? 17:52:46 <|amethyst> gnome-terminal with dejavu sans 17:52:53 <|amethyst> err, dejavu sans mono 17:53:03 ah, huh, also using gnome-terminal with I think the same font even 17:53:14 well same font...set? 17:54:13 <|amethyst> the Y is coming from dejavu, not sure about the combining ring above 17:54:20 <|amethyst> gnome-terminal 3.14.1 here 17:54:44 in monospace regular 12 it seems to render fine; the circle is directly inside the branch of the Y 17:54:57 maybe that's not how it should look though; probably should be higher up 17:56:34 Not sure what my old font was, actually, but deja sans mono book 10 is kind of nice, maybe I'll keep this 17:57:20 <|amethyst> 10? Is this a font for ants? 17:58:11 <|amethyst> I use 16 for normal work, 30 for playing Crawl :) 17:58:17 daaang 17:58:28 yeah I use a huge font size for crawl 17:58:57 well, only 14 17:59:08 heh, i use 30-something for crawl too >*) 17:59:10 >8) 17:59:17 30 sounds ridiculous 17:59:29 I guess that's a fullscreen window 17:59:33 well, it all depends on your desktop dpi too 17:59:37 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:38 i don't think i could fit 30 on my screen, at the everything-is-huge resolution i use to be able to see stuff 17:59:40 and monitor size, etc 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:24 but my crawl pane is about 2/3ds width and height on my 55" tv 18:00:26 !kw hugeterm 18:00:26 No keyword 'hugeterm' 18:00:35 oh can't really query that, can we 18:01:08 i guess i use 16 for crawl, at a display resolution of 720p. i wonder if that is larger or smaller than |amethyst's 30 18:04:11 <|amethyst> 1440 here, so 18:04:34 <|amethyst> about the same size relative to the screen 18:05:52 <|amethyst> I can fit about 106x31 on a single screen at 30 point 18:05:53 those are some big glyphs 18:06:18 how does |amethyst die so much if his glyphs are that easy to read? 18:06:18 127x34 to mine 18:06:22 lol 18:06:39 <|amethyst> 195x57 at the 16-point I usually use 18:06:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:47 127x35 for me 18:06:53 heh 18:07:09 so we all play about the same size relative to our monitors 18:07:12 that's pretty amusing 18:07:25 I think I'm playing with a much smaller glyph size than you guys 18:07:49 I have 1366x768 with font size 14 for crawl 18:07:59 <|amethyst> gammafunk: probably because I do hugeterm (100x29) so all the extra symbols confuse me 18:08:09 yeah I don't do hugeterm 18:08:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:35 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:44 i sometimes accidentally play 80x25 which i guess counts as hugeterm 18:08:52 same; 80x24 for crawl, 127x9 along the bottom for irc, and 46x24 in the left-over corner for a terminal 18:09:54 I tend to play console spectating over webtiles, so have my console window over the webtiles view area 18:10:08 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:31 then I can see chat, or if I'm streaming have smaller irc window with twitch chat over the the player area of webtiles so I can see that 18:11:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:24 I guess 30 font is probably closer to what the webtiles experience is like, at least 18:11:50 if only it was square 18:12:13 I'm sure someone plays with square font 18:13:06 you actually do that even when you're not streaming? is webtiles chat that exciting? 18:13:07 hrm, maybe I'll try 16 from now on though; looks like the glyph spacing isn't weird or anything 18:13:16 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:24 yeah I usually have like 15+ spectators, dependong in when streaming 18:13:34 and I know many of the spectators well 18:13:42 anyone here able to restart sequell? 18:13:49 ??test 18:13:49 test[1/42]: blaargh blaargh blaargh blaargh blaargh 18:13:53 or is it only greensnark 18:13:54 imagine how popular you would be if you could win something easy like mibe 18:14:03 !learn add :beh: test 18:14:03 Could not authenticate Kramin with services for !learn add :beh: test 18:14:04 not my fault MiBe is unwinnable 18:14:12 authentication is failing 18:14:12 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:12 you should hide the webtiles chat element when streaming 18:14:21 oh, you have auth for beh 18:14:35 Medar: well I minimize it, it's not really a big deal imo 18:14:41 -!- shrinkshooter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:43 the chat messages aren't displayed at least 18:14:46 ??:acl::beh: 18:14:47 I don't have a page labeled :acl::beh: in my learndb. 18:14:53 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 18:14:53 ?/:acl::beh: 18:14:53 No matches. 18:14:58 ?/:beh: 18:14:59 Matching terms (1): :acl:db::beh: 18:15:06 not a big deal of course 18:15:12 ??:acl:db::beh: 18:15:12 :acl:db::beh:[1/1]: @admin 18:15:21 anyway, I'm in there 18:15:25 yeah the only thing I care about is not streaming the webtiles chat messages themselves, since players won't know that's being done 18:15:30 s/players/spectators/ 18:15:45 how do we look up groups like that? 18:15:52 !lg @admin s=name 18:15:52 34 games for @admin: 34x admin 18:15:55 heh 18:15:56 ?/acl 18:15:56 Matching terms (18): :acl:cmd:*, :acl:db:*, :acl:db::acl:*, :acl:db::beh:, :acl:db::group:*, :acl:kw:*, :acl:nick:*, :acl:nick:kramin, :acl:proxy, barnacled_rune, cataclysm, eldritch_tentacle, MiraclePrism, tentacle, tentacle_thing, tentacled_monstrosity, tentacled_starspawn, tentacles; entries (44): :acl:cmd:*[1] | :acl:db::group:*[1] | :acl:kw:*[1] | :acl:nick:*[1] | a_portal_to_somewhere[1] | a... 18:16:15 <|amethyst> ??:acl:db::group: 18:16:15 :acl:db::group: ~ :acl:db::group:* ~ :acl:db::acl:*[1/1]: @admin 18:16:18 <|amethyst> ??:acl:db::group:admin 18:16:18 I don't have a page labeled :acl:db::group:admin in my learndb. 18:16:38 ?/admin 18:16:38 Matching terms (4): ##crawl-admin, :group:admin, crawl-admin, gitorious_admins; entries (11): :acl:db::acl:*[1] | :acl:db::beh:[1] | crawl-admin[1] | cwz[1] | devteam[1] | is_cszo_down[2] | lld[1] | new_testament[1] | nfm[4] | rhf[2] | vnapkin[5] 18:16:49 ??:group:admin 18:16:49 :group:admin[1/1]: |amethyst greensnark elliptic Kramin wheals read 18:16:52 there 18:17:18 yeah anyhow restarting sequell can only be done by the snark afaik 18:17:28 Yeah, so the auth failure thing is making Kramel not work with proxying 18:17:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:17:42 <|amethyst> .echo $(kill $$) 18:17:43 $(kill $$) 18:18:05 I think it started after yesterday's netsplit 18:18:06 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 18:18:15 not sure exactly what happened... 18:18:18 <|amethyst> Kramin: does it use services? 18:18:23 <|amethyst> Kramin: because you're not logged in 18:18:29 aren't I? 18:18:39 hmm 18:18:46 <|amethyst> Kramin: /whois doesn't list an account 18:19:05 !learn add :beh: test 18:19:06 :beh:[24/24]: test 18:19:08 huh 18:19:10 ok 18:19:23 now I have to figure what's going wrong with kramell then 18:19:39 <|amethyst> kramell is logged in, so not the same thing 18:19:49 !learn rm :beh:[$] 18:19:49 Deleted :beh:[24/24]: test 18:19:54 yeah 18:19:57 it's wierd 18:20:10 I've noticed that trying to do a search on :beh: seems to cause sequell to globally hang 18:20:14 not sure if snark fixed that 18:20:45 or if it is fixable 18:21:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:22:01 when Kramell sends "!RELAY !lm" to sequell it gets no milestones for kramell 18:22:17 but when it sends "!RELAY -nick asdf !lm" it gets no response 18:22:28 oh, hrm 18:22:38 when I do the same in pm it works 18:22:38 !RELAY -nick beem !lm 18:22:39 1. [2015-09-10 11:05:51] beem the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 18:22:47 ?/proxy 18:22:48 Matching terms (1): :acl:proxy; entries (1): erisdiscordia[1]: Stone Soups developer-by-proxy, anything that Erik (erisdiscordia) has accomplished in Stone Soups design, he's done so by convincing someone else to do it. Except his vaults. Those are 110% his fault. People keep on obliquely comparing him to Sisyphos for some reason he cant comprehend. 18:22:51 yeah and beem is working right now I think 18:22:53 -!- lobf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:56 ??:acl:proxy 18:22:57 :acl:proxy[1/1]: Kramell 18:22:57 also using !RELAY 18:23:13 I figure it has something to do with Kramell being in the proxy acl list 18:23:23 but I'm not sure 18:23:45 What does the proxy acl do? 18:23:54 !learn ser :acl:proxy KramellDisabled 18:23:54 I don't know about !learn ser. 18:23:58 !learn set :acl:proxy KramellDisabled 18:23:58 :acl:proxy[1/1]: KramellDisabled 18:24:13 it gives permissions in pm 18:24:27 basically 18:24:38 so you can add to ldb etc from proxied channels 18:24:40 oh, as in you could use e.g. !next or other kinds of channel-only commands? 18:24:42 yeah 18:24:54 gotcha; def. don't want to give that to beem 18:24:58 heh 18:25:15 you can use the -channel ##csdc arg to tell it the channel 18:25:16 unless we want truly user-driven content of the highest level of freedom and excitement 18:25:25 ?/channel 18:25:26 Matching terms (6): channel, channel_energy, channeling, channelling, death_channel, staff_of_channeling; entries (50): !fight[1] | !fight[3] | !help:!RELAY[1] | ##crawl-admin[1] | ##crawl-dev[1] | akrasiac[2] | awbw[8] | awbw[9] | book_of_unlife[1] | branch[2] | channel[1] | channel_energy[1] | channelling[1] | comborobin[2] | crawl_light[1] | csdc[1] | dchan[1] | death_channel[1] | doomrl_reason... 18:25:28 yeah I just use -channel msg at present 18:25:35 ?/acl 18:25:36 Matching terms (18): :acl:cmd:*, :acl:db:*, :acl:db::acl:*, :acl:db::beh:, :acl:db::group:*, :acl:kw:*, :acl:nick:*, :acl:nick:kramin, :acl:proxy, barnacled_rune, cataclysm, eldritch_tentacle, MiraclePrism, tentacle, tentacle_thing, tentacled_monstrosity, tentacled_starspawn, tentacles; entries (44): :acl:cmd:*[1] | :acl:db::group:*[1] | :acl:kw:*[1] | :acl:nick:*[1] | a_portal_to_somewhere[1] | a... 18:25:57 I might use -channel WebTiles in the future but it only affects commands using $channel as far as I can tell 18:26:23 there's also a list of channels with permissions somewhere 18:26:34 what I'd more like to figure out are how to wrap things for sending to !RELAY so that I could define $p and $chat 18:26:46 if your bot has proxy permission and the channel you give has channel permission you can edit and such 18:26:55 without munging the command results 18:27:20 yeah beem shouldn't be given permissions since it's running in webtiles chat and we don't want to webtiles chat people change learndb etc 18:27:32 s/want to/want to let/ 18:27:33 so setting the proxy entry to KramellDisabled has made Kramell work again 18:27:42 obviously it no longer has permissions 18:27:54 sounds like you need to talk to snark 18:30:09 yeah, I submitted an issue on github 18:30:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:32:13 maybe I should submit an issue about my !RELAY/variable question 18:32:35 what are $p and $chat? 18:32:47 .echo $p $chat 18:32:47 ${p} ${chat} 18:32:48 well $p is just a single username I provide 18:33:01 .echo $nick $channel 18:33:01 Kramin ##crawl-dev 18:33:13 and $chat would be some kind of array of names or perhaps only a | seperated string of names 18:33:16 they aren't recognised by sequell 18:33:24 yeah I want to define them 18:33:30 yep 18:33:44 so that !RELAY !lg $p and !RELAY !lg $chat 18:33:47 would work for beem 18:33:51 you could submit an issue, or a pull request if you know how to code it 18:34:11 well there's no way sequell can define these I guess 18:34:26 I mean maybe it would be best done through changing !RELAY itself but I dont' really know 18:34:34 anyhow yeah I'll submit an issue 18:34:43 problem is !RELAY is meant to mirror sequell's behaviour 18:35:07 so if sequell doesn't normally recognise $p the commands with $p would only work in your channel? 18:35:09 I can't do some fancy $(let) thing or somethign equivalent around what I'm passing to RELAY 18:35:13 yes that's fine 18:35:25 I don't want it to work other than in my "channel" (it's really webtiles chat, not a channel) 18:35:37 what kind of commands? 18:35:46 really targetting !lg and !lm 18:35:55 but any sequell comamnd I guess 18:36:09 much like how $nick works, $p should work based on what I defined $p to be 18:36:12 cant you do the $p replacement yourself? 18:36:42 I dunno 18:36:56 well I could do that probably, but there's sequell command syntax 18:37:04 what exactly would you want !lg $chat to do 18:37:04 I could certainly hack it that way 18:37:08 the last game of people in the chat? 18:37:10 $chat will be a "list" of webtiles spectators 18:37:11 yes 18:37:24 yeah, you could easily do that yourself 18:37:25 something like a nick, really 18:37:49 yeah the problem is if I do a sub in the command it's possibly going to be broken, so I was wondering if there's a more elegant way 18:37:50 !won kramin|miek 18:37:51 kramin|miek has won 37 times in 1199 games (3.09%): 2xHOGl 2xTrCK 1xCeFi 1xDDBe 1xDDEE 1xDDFi 1xDEGl 1xDgTm 1xDgVM 1xDrCj 1xDsAs 1xDsGl 1xFeIE 1xFoAr 1xFoFi 1xGhSu 1xGrEE 1xGrFE 1xGrGl 1xHEWz 1xHOMo 1xHaAM 1xHuGl 1xKoAs 1xMfFi 1xMfGl 1xMfSk 1xMiAK 1xMiBe 1xMiFi 1xMiWn 1xNaWr 1xOgHu 1xOpBe 1xVSIE 18:37:58 just join them with | 18:38:21 it might work in every instance I care about I guess 18:38:30 !lairratio kramin|miek 18:38:34 kramin|miek has reached Lair in 195 of 1199 attempts: 16% 18:39:20 not sure where it even would not work, so maybe that's the best thing 18:39:30 <|amethyst> hm 18:39:30 <|amethyst> .echo $(let (p "neil") !lm $p) 18:39:31 neil 18:39:45 <|amethyst> .echo $(let (p "neil") (!lm $p)) 18:39:46 19446. :id=17539030:game_key=neil::cszo::20150916033253S:offset=1532591498:file=cszo/meta/git/milestones:alpha=true:src=cszo:explbr=:v=0.17.0-a0:cv=0.17-a:vlong=0.17-a0-2073-gde5cdba:vsav=:vsavrv=:name=neil:race=Tengu:crace=Tengu:cls=Fire Elementalist:char=TeFE:xl=1:sk=Fire Magic:sklev=3:title=Firebug:place=D::1:br=D:lvl=1:absdepth=1:ltyp=:hp=10:mhp=10:mmhp=10:mp=4:mmp=4:bmmp=4:str=8:int=15:dex=14... 18:39:54 yeah that's what happens to lm/lg if you .echo it 18:39:55 <|amethyst> .echo $(let (p "neil") (!RELAY !lm $p)) 18:39:55 Not a valid command: !RELAY !lm neil in !RELAY !lm neil 18:40:13 no parens? 18:40:18 <|amethyst> .echo $(let (p "neil") !RELAY !lm $p) 18:40:18 neil 18:40:21 heh 18:40:45 but yeah something like this was what I was thinking; I just don't really understand sequell command evaluation well enough 18:41:48 there's also forms like ${p} etc that I'd have to deal with probably 18:42:15 if anyone writes ${p} just deliver them an electric shock through the keyboard 18:42:45 we should just do that in response to all user input 18:46:40 is there any feedback/is anyone looking at the new version of the banish depth patch I put up? 18:49:10 not yet, would be nice to get to it maybe before release (whenever that will be) 18:51:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:51:19 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:54:09 !RELAY is not an actual sequell command as such 18:54:18 so you cant to $(!RELAY) 18:54:26 <|amethyst> aha 18:56:23 I'm not really sure how you would add $chat to !RELAY anyway, gammafunk 18:56:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:56:59 like !RELAY -chat (Kramin,gammafunk,asdf) !lm $chat 18:57:17 you may well replace the $chat yourself since it's the same 18:57:23 mmmm maybe before release. I like that timeline 18:57:36 <|amethyst> Kramin: replacing $chat yourself is kind of hard 18:57:52 really? 18:57:53 yeah, there's $chat and ${chat} and who knows what other sequell evaltion 18:57:59 *evaluation 18:58:00 <|amethyst> Kramin: since you have to be careful not to replace it inside single-quotes, or if an alphanumeric character follows, or ... 18:58:09 right 18:58:29 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:58:37 I'll probably just do a simple regexp hack using word boundary patterns 18:58:40 for now at least 18:58:44 yep 18:58:57 -!- pblur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:59:17 <|amethyst> /nick ') !DROP TABLES * 18:59:50 lol 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:16 <|amethyst> let would be the right way, if there were some way to get the special top-level variant of !lm/!lg 19:01:23 <|amethyst> .echo $(eval "!lm") 19:01:23 !lm 19:01:27 <|amethyst> .echo $(eval "(!lm)") 19:01:27 (!lm) 19:01:43 <|amethyst> .echo $(exec "!lm") 19:01:44 19446. :id=17539030:game_key=neil::cszo::20150916033253S:offset=1532591498:file=cszo/meta/git/milestones:alpha=true:src=cszo:explbr=:v=0.17.0-a0:cv=0.17-a:vlong=0.17-a0-2073-gde5cdba:vsav=:vsavrv=:name=neil:race=Tengu:crace=Tengu:cls=Fire Elementalist:char=TeFE:xl=1:sk=Fire Magic:sklev=3:title=Firebug:place=D::1:br=D:lvl=1:absdepth=1:ltyp=:hp=10:mhp=10:mmhp=10:mp=4:mmp=4:bmmp=4:str=8:int=15:dex=14... 19:01:55 is it even specific to lg and lm? maybe other sequell commands are ok 19:02:07 <|amethyst> "Note: Evaluating !lg as a sub-command produces raw xlog output when querying individual games." 19:02:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:30 <|amethyst> !cmd !lg 19:02:31 Built-in: !lg => https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/commands/listgame.rb 19:13:02 !kw banishment banished 19:13:02 Defined keyword: banishment => banished 19:17:19 -!- Vidiiot has quit [] 19:17:26 !banish Grunt 19:17:26 gammafunk casts a spell. Grunt is cast into beam.cc! 19:17:43 He didn't do anything just now but he was probably going to 19:17:47 !rebade gammafunk 19:17:50 !rebase gammafunk 19:17:50 Kramin rebases gammafunk. Gammafunk is banished to the reflog! 19:18:01 don't gc meeeee 19:18:30 !branch gammafunk 19:18:32 fr 19:20:12 gammafunk splits. A chorus of shrieks assaults your mind! 19:25:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:26:55 -!- dograt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:31:47 !fork amalloy 19:31:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 19:36:25 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:41:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:11 -!- mmaud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:09 !send ray.cc gammafunk 19:47:09 Sending gammafunk to ray.cc. 19:47:25 cruel 19:47:38 also, good evening 19:47:54 o/ 19:53:02 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:55:32 -!- angryteapot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:58:22 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:41 maybe dwelling here a while will give me a new perspective on that diamond assert 20:02:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:02:46 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:28 are demonic crawlers supposed to be nonvulnerable to silver? they aren't vulnerable to anything else >8( 20:05:49 <|amethyst> why would they be vulnerable to silver? 20:05:56 it says demonic right in their name! 20:06:05 <|amethyst> demons aren't vulnerable to silver 20:06:14 i thought it was chaos entities 20:06:43 <|amethyst> that are vulnerable to silver, yes 20:06:52 @??chaos_spawn 20:06:52 chaos spawn (133) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-44 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 2109(chaos) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 181 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 20:07:02 @??demonic_crawler 20:07:02 demonic crawler (09s) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 46-71 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 13, 13, 13 | 05demonic, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 349 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 20:07:07 <|amethyst> I mean, demons aren't *inherently* vulnerable to silver 20:07:13 <|amethyst> of course "chaos spawn" is chaotic 20:07:23 yeah sorry I just wanted to show 20:07:25 chaos spawn is demonic too >8) 20:07:26 silver vuln vs. not 20:07:34 <|amethyst> @??balrug 20:07:34 balrug (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-93 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(160), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1663 | Sp: b.fire (3d23) [06!sil], fireball (3d23) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d6) [06!sil], smiting (7-17) [06!sil] | Sz:.. 20:07:42 demonic does not mean vuln. to silver, yeah 20:07:43 <|amethyst> @??executioner 20:07:43 Executioner (151) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 54-80 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2306 | Sp: pain (d14) [06!sil], haste [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 20:07:47 chaotic does 20:07:56 @??orb_of_fire 20:07:56 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 20:08:05 @??asterion 20:08:05 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 2688 | Sp: major destruction (3d20 / 3d28 / 3d6 / 3d22 / 3d25 / 3d24 / 3d27) [11!AM], spectral weapon [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:08:31 i have a really hard time grasping what's holy, silver, holy and silver, neither holy nor silver... 20:08:34 the chaos thing for him is some kind of makhleb thing? |amethyst added it because it's consistent but I forget why we do that 20:08:57 well demons aren't holy 20:09:05 unless you mean vuln to holy 20:09:09 i meant in terms of vulnerability 20:09:19 like, the tags sorta follow themes, but not always 20:09:32 @??cacodemon 20:09:32 cacodemon (082) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 82-113 | AC/EV: 11/10 | Dam: 22, 22 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(160), 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1635 | Sp: b.energy (3d20) [06!sil], slow [06!sil], confuse [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil], dig [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 20:09:42 malmuting things, chaos-having things 20:09:52 <|amethyst> !source monster::known_chaos 20:09:52 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l3772 20:10:35 !source has_chaotic_spell 20:10:35 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l2995 20:10:36 <|amethyst> oh, hm 20:10:53 !source is_chaotic_spell 20:10:53 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/goditem.cc#l501 20:11:04 <|amethyst> I think those is_chaotic_god() checks should be && check_spells_god 20:11:04 dammit 20:11:10 i need to work out a list of things that are demonic but not chaotic 20:11:27 most demons are not chaotic 20:11:40 @??imp 20:11:40 unknown monster: "imp" 20:11:45 @??crimson_imp 20:11:46 crimson imp (055) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-18 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Dam: 4 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(40), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 48 | Sp: blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 20:11:59 no 5, not sure if any 4 are 20:12:00 ??4 20:12:00 4[1/1]: The tier 4 demons. They are: {blue devil}, {red devil}, {iron devil}, {hellwing}, {orange demon}, {sixfirhy}. 20:12:10 @??orange_demon 20:12:10 orange demon (044) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 39-64 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 1005(reach)04(poison, weakness), 8 | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 415 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:12:18 of the 3 probably only chaos spawns 20:12:19 ??3 20:12:19 3[1/1]: The tier 3 demons. They are: {sun demon}, {smoke demon}, {soul eater}, {neqoxec}, {ice devil}, {chaos spawn}, {ynoxinul}. 20:12:22 oh neqo 20:12:25 @??neqoxec 20:12:26 neqoxec (133) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-44 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 15 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 181 | Sp: malmutate [06!sil], brain feed [06!sil], sum.minor demon [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:12:32 ??2 20:12:32 2[1/1]: The tier 2 demons. Summoned, along with {1}s, by {Summon Greater Demon}. They are: {balrug}, {blizzard demon}, {shadow demon}, {cacodemon}, {green death}, {hell beast}, {hellion}, {lorocyproca}, {reaper}, {tormentor}. 20:12:37 probably only cacos 20:12:45 @??lorocyproca 20:12:45 lorocyproca (022) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 61-94 | AC/EV: 10/12 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1279 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:12:48 there's no tag even for chaotic 20:12:49 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:59 besides vul: silver 20:13:18 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 20:13:21 the distribution of chaos among monsters is...chaotic 20:13:56 a distribution and a tag are not the same things; practically a player cares about silver vuln but I'm not sure what else they might even care about wrt chaotic 20:14:10 perhaps what zin appreciates if zin does that 20:14:39 i guess maybe if i play zin a few times it'll be more obvious to me 20:14:47 yeah recite actually 20:14:49 ??recite 20:14:49 recite[1/5]: Causes various effects to chaotic, unclean, evil or heretical creatures in view. Four-turn action, with strength depending on piety and invocations. Effects scale from things like confusion and fear on humanoids, to smiting and instakilling chaotic creatures, to permanently blinding or paralysing heretic priests. 20:15:02 <|amethyst> well, zin hates evil too so you have to pay attention to which recite you get 20:15:33 @??shapeshifter 20:15:33 shapeshifter (08G) | Spd: 5-30 | HD: 6 | HP: 8-63 | AC/EV: 3/10 | 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 309 | Sp: (random) | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 20:15:41 @??rakshasa 20:15:41 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 50-84 | AC/EV: 8/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 993 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16) [06!sil], phantom mirror [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:15:54 I forget the thing for asterion/makhleb 20:15:59 @??margery 20:15:59 Margery (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 164 | AC/EV: 7/9 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 5081 | Sp: b.fire (3d32), fireball (3d33) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:16:07 <|amethyst> @??rakshasa god:makhleb 20:16:08 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 50-84 | AC/EV: 8/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 993 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16) [06!sil], phantom mirror [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:16:14 <|amethyst> I do think that's a bug 20:16:35 ah 20:16:39 just any mak worshiper 20:16:42 <|amethyst> yeah 20:16:55 yeah not sure what the rationale is there; from when make was a choice for CK? 20:16:56 <|amethyst> but that should be only for recitability chaos, not for silver vulnerability 20:17:10 s/make/mak/ 20:17:11 heh 20:17:23 <|amethyst> The rationale is that Zin hates worshippers of chaotic gods 20:17:47 so chaotic gods that aren't evil being only xom? 20:18:01 <|amethyst> I forget 20:18:04 oh, what is the decider for recite vulnerability then? 20:18:14 <|amethyst> @??human god:jiyva 20:18:14 human (15p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-44 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 194 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:18:15 is it just a list? 20:18:22 oh, J 20:18:22 <|amethyst> ah, jiyva isn't evil either 20:18:44 killer klowns are justified based on having randomized attacks 20:19:05 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: how_chaotic(true) -> known_chaos(true) is recitability, how_chaotic(false) -> known_chaos(false) is silver vulnerability 20:19:21 which mak's destruct stuff is, but I'm not sure that basing on mak as the worshiped god makes sense 20:19:47 <|amethyst> @??asterion god:none 20:19:47 bad monster god: "none" 20:19:47 I guess it kind of makes more sense to me as "potentially mutating" 20:19:51 <|amethyst> @??asterion god:no_god 20:19:51 bad monster god: "no god" 20:19:54 :( 20:19:56 <|amethyst> @??asterion god:sif_muna 20:19:56 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2688 | Sp: major destruction (3d20 / 3d28 / 3d6 / 3d22 / 3d25 / 3d24 / 3d27) [11!AM], spectral weapon [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:19:58 that's suggestive of the demon-chaos link again 20:20:02 * Grunt calls down the wrath of NO GOD against Gretell. 20:20:10 <|amethyst> hm 20:20:15 @??asterion god: 20:20:15 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 2688 | Sp: major destruction (3d20 / 3d28 / 3d6 / 3d22 / 3d25 / 3d24 / 3d27) [11!AM], spectral weapon [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:20:20 so under that scheme xom and J are chaotic, mak isn't, killer p aren't chaotic 20:20:20 <|amethyst> what kind of spell is that? 20:20:36 spite 20:20:41 <|amethyst> oh, hm 20:20:42 major destruction? 20:21:20 I suppose it's weird to say that chaos means "potentially mutating" when chaos the brand/attack/clouds aren't defined as that, though 20:21:20 <|amethyst> well, priestly major destruction 20:22:14 perhaps it should be refined to "random attack that includes the possibility of mutation" 20:22:23 so that killer p are not chaotic, nor is mak 20:22:23 <|amethyst> ? 20:22:37 I'm talking what the notion of "chaotic" is 20:22:41 ah but J 20:22:53 so the best generalization seems to be "the things that are chaos are those that are chaotic, and that which is vulnerable to silver is what has vulnerability to silver" 20:23:11 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: things are vulnerable to silver if they are inherently chaotic 20:23:39 yeah there's no non-chaotic thing that's vuln to silver 20:23:48 ah, but if they inherit it from worship then that doesn't count 20:23:52 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: which currently means "chaotic but not because of knowing a wizard spell" 20:24:02 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: that what I think it should mean, but currently doesn't 20:24:04 ah, gotcha 20:24:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:24:27 <|amethyst> likewise, priest spells flag you as inherently chaotic, but really they should count the same as wizard spells in that respect 20:24:42 i'm more confused now than when we started, you know <3 20:25:00 oh, you mean if you have a chaotic innate spell, you're chaotic, but not otherwise 20:25:22 innate ability different from innate spell? 20:25:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, they're sufficient but not necessary 20:25:44 sure 20:25:53 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:25:54 <|amethyst> @?? asterion god:sif_muna spells:major_destruction.priest.200 20:25:54 Need a positive spell frequency;got 'priest' in 'major destruction.priest.200' 20:26:00 <|amethyst> @?? asterion god:sif_muna spells:major_destruction.200.priest 20:26:00 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2442 | Sp: major destruction (3d20 / 3d28 / 3d6 / 3d22 / 3d25 / 3d24 / 3d27) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:26:06 <|amethyst> @?? asterion god:sif_muna spells:major_destruction.200.wizard 20:26:06 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 2442 | Sp: major destruction (3d20 / 3d28 / 3d6 / 3d22 / 3d25 / 3d24 / 3d27) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:26:12 <|amethyst> @?? asterion god:sif_muna spells:major_destruction.200.magical 20:26:12 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 10/2 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2442 | Sp: major destruction (3d20 / 3d28 / 3d6 / 3d22 / 3d25 / 3d24 / 3d27) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:26:13 well to be clear, I'm asking what your preferred notion of chaotic would be 20:27:00 it'd be nice if the notion were easier to understand for the player 20:27:02 me? whatever it is now, plus demonic crawlers, because i can't hit those chuckleheads with anything at all 20:27:10 no not you 20:27:15 * hypractvChipmunk grins. 20:27:16 i know 20:27:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: more or less what it is now, but with that list of monsters turned into a monster flag, and with the spell and god stuff only counting for Zin and not silver 20:27:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I guess the problem, compared to "evil" or "unholy", is that it is much less relevant 20:27:57 but indeed, the reason i brought it up is that it's very confusing for someone new to the game 20:28:19 yeah, silver vuln is pretty relevant but any other aspect of chaotic isn't very unless you worship zin 20:29:36 i leveled up my staves because i got this lajatang of order pretty early, but it's not useful against anything i thought it would be >8( 20:29:53 <|amethyst> your lajatang isn't useful? 20:29:59 getting more use out of the antimagic quarterstaff 20:30:00 <|amethyst> I think you have a funny definition of "useful" 20:30:03 <|amethyst> ah 20:30:10 <|amethyst> antimagic is more useful than silver, yes 20:30:13 <|amethyst> but lajatang! :) 20:30:13 well, it's not my primary skill 20:30:33 but i got the lajatang and basically, yeah, "but lajatang!" so i leveled up staves a bit 20:30:47 thought i'd stab me some demons 20:30:52 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:03 demons not impressed by my shiny pole 20:31:39 it still does quite a bit of damage 20:31:44 <|amethyst> gammafunk: maybe if we had a chaos branch 20:31:54 isn't that the abyss? 20:31:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: or if abyss had only chaotic monsters in it 20:31:58 <|amethyst> yeah 20:32:07 <|amethyst> s/only/mostly/ 20:32:44 amalloy: it would, if i was a staff user and not a slinger 20:32:56 everyone can be a staff user 20:32:57 just by virtue of being +7 20:33:11 my TeAE picked up 14 staves skill because i found a decent laj randart 20:33:19 rip and TeAE! 20:33:27 ach! 20:33:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:48 but I inner flame practically everything i see 20:33:58 so i can't really justify going that high in a melee weapon 20:35:08 |amethyst: we have a chaos branch 20:35:10 %git cyc 20:35:10 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1773-ged48617: Increase weight of scroll of blinking. 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed486176fdd0 20:35:14 hehe 20:35:27 real clever, sir 20:35:28 <|amethyst> wah-wah-WAAAAH 20:35:43 you just think you're so smart with that one, i bet 20:36:01 it was created by the chaos lord 20:36:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41:19 .cobbed 20:41:20 33. nrokreffefp the Executioner (L27 DsAr of Nemelex Xobeh), starved to death on Zot:2 on 2015-10-16 21:55:34, with 697456 points after 92819 turns and 5:19:04. 20:41:59 !tell Lasty .cobbed 33 is pretty amusing since I keep thinking I know exactly how it's going to end but I keep being wrong 20:41:59 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 20:42:21 i almost was a .cobbed on my win >8( 20:45:40 oh, also, i figured out that /none/ of the autoattack options were working; i hadn't understood why autoattack seemed to ignore the minimum health option 20:46:08 it should be made clear in the docs that the lua features don't respond to options in the OPTION= format 20:46:21 <|amethyst> we should remove OPTION = 20:46:28 giantspikedclub (L25 MuCK) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Tomb:3) 20:47:17 .cobbed 33 20:47:17 33. nrokreffefp the Executioner (L27 DsAr of Nemelex Xobeh), starved to death on Zot:2 on 2015-10-16 21:55:34, with 697456 points after 92819 turns and 5:19:04. 20:47:29 !crash giantspikedclub 20:47:30 2. giantspikedclub, XL25 MuCK, T:435332 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/giantspikedclub/crash-giantspikedclub-20151017-004627.txt 20:47:31 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:35 .cobbed 33 -tv:<1.5 20:47:35 33. nrokreffefp, XL27 DsAr, T:92819 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 20:47:40 knew it 20:48:53 heh, yeah 20:48:57 your body disappear% without a glow 20:49:03 and then his body dissapear% without a glow 20:49:10 <|amethyst> the fix to hypractvChipmunk's problem would be for game_options::set_option_fragment to pass a second argument of 'true' to read_option_line 20:49:10 disappear%* 20:49:38 i'll submit a PR 20:49:46 for the option thing 20:49:53 once i've died horribly on this game 20:53:00 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 20:54:09 <|amethyst> oh, er 20:54:20 <|amethyst> I bet none of those % & are working 20:58:22 giantspikedclub (L25 MuCK) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Tomb:3) 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:01 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:06:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2094-g0fd3269: Actually substitute % and & in sacrifice messages. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0fd32693f7a3 21:06:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2095-g10f76b4: Allow OPTIONS= and --extra-opt-last to use Lua (hyperactiveChipmunk) 10(88 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/10f76b421d16 21:07:13 oh, or you can do it >< 21:07:15 sorry 21:07:21 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: now you don't have to die! 21:07:26 lol 21:09:53 i think i'm about to not have a choice >8( 21:10:18 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:21 i forgot that you can't use enchant weapon scrolls to clear curses when the weapon in question is artefact >8P 21:10:31 oh wait 21:10:32 you can 21:10:34 ho ho 21:13:34 i wonder what fit of sensibility led that to being allowed 21:13:39 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:16:19 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:47 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:11 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:23:48 Alipheese (L18 NaBe) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster deep troll failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:24:23 Alipheese (L18 NaBe) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster deep troll failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:24:40 o_O 21:24:42 @?? ice fiend 21:24:42 Ice Fiend (161) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 79-117 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53), 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2891 | Sp: b.cold (3d27) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 21:24:48 Alipheese (L18 NaBe) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster wolf spider failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:25:42 i think i'm going to die to this thing >*P 21:25:57 don't die 21:26:04 oh okay, i won't then 21:26:12 is there a way to remap the trog's abilities back to their old letters? 21:26:37 =a, I think 21:26:43 yes 21:26:51 why were they changed? 21:26:56 refactoring 21:26:59 you may direct your blame at wheals 21:27:02 !blame2 wheals 21:27:02 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 21:27:06 !blame3 wheals 21:27:06 wheeeeeaaaaals 21:27:08 %git HEAD^{/more than 5} 21:27:08 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-2076-g78de332: Allow more than 5 god abilities. 10(2 days ago, 15 files, 526+ 1097-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78de33285ae5 21:27:11 ^ 21:27:28 ugh, can i auto map them in my rcfile? 21:27:33 for future characters? 21:27:57 <|amethyst> not until I get off my ass and actually finish merging sandman's stuff 21:28:00 I believe so, but I don't remember the syntax off the top of my head >.> 21:28:02 oh 21:28:04 rip 21:28:08 heh, ok 21:28:11 huh, i don't recall there being an option for that like there is for spells 21:28:27 old letters? did trog lose an ability recently? 21:28:35 no 21:28:36 but 21:28:37 no, burn books is now a 21:28:42 ^ 21:28:42 and it bumps everything down a letter 21:28:58 sign me up for auto-remapping 21:29:01 lol 21:29:24 yeah i can't get past this guy >8*( 21:29:32 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: why did you walk back up to it... you had made it away 21:29:43 the exit's over there 21:30:07 <|amethyst> there's also the exit back at the beginning 21:30:11 burn books has some tactical value, but it's mostly just thematic. i don't like having something mostly-useless on aa, which for most gods is the most critical early-survival option 21:31:33 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: and why are you casting meph? 21:31:51 i don't want to get bolted 21:31:59 <|amethyst> ? 21:32:00 two lines of clouds block los right? 21:32:00 !gameinfo hypractvChipmunk 21:32:01 hyperactiveChipmunk the L18 SpAM^Qaz in IceCv (cszo console), T:41971, defenses: 10/32/8, stats: 8/27/17, >15 skills: Slings,Dodging,Hexes 21:32:07 <|amethyst> only opaque clouds 21:32:24 <|amethyst> if you can see through them, so can monsters 21:32:42 none of qazlal's clouds are opaque 21:33:03 right, but i didn't know mephitic wasn't either 21:33:16 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:33:29 most stuff isn't. opaque clouds tend to not do much other than be opaque 21:33:31 <|amethyst> you have scrolls of fog 21:33:41 yeah, i'll use those instead now 21:33:43 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:34:06 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:29 i thought i could save some consumable resources by using the unlimited one i had in my spell list 21:34:31 <|amethyst> there are a few opaque clouds that do stuff 21:34:46 <|amethyst> forest fire, steam, petrify, holy flames 21:35:11 <|amethyst> (forest fire is opaque because it is a tree and trees used to have that opacity) 21:35:44 aw, i could have qazlal'd him 21:35:52 now i want to go back >8D 21:36:09 forest fire and holy flames are so rare though. i didn't know they were opaque 21:36:20 because i have seen them like maybe a dozen times total 21:36:25 <|amethyst> forest fire is only as rare as you want it to be :) 21:36:33 you can do forest fire yourself, no? 21:36:50 <|amethyst> I guess you actually clear the spriggan lair end the hard way? :) 21:37:17 ha 21:37:33 it's true i have only intentionally started like...one forest fire 21:38:20 smokey the bear would disapprove 21:38:31 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:35 hypractvChipmunk: i'm curious what you need the layers for. having trouble seeing the spider, or what? 21:38:53 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:39:06 yeah, i can't always get a good picture of the tactical scenario with clouds and items everywhere 21:39:52 <|amethyst> luau! 21:40:13 todo: make an island-esque vault with a lot of vault scripts 21:40:16 call it grunt_luau 21:40:19 whoa i am practically getting motion sickness from watching you move without your map scrolling 21:40:57 <|amethyst> amalloy: I'd figure map centering would be more likely to induce motion sickness, since there's more stuff moving 21:41:14 well it's not really motion sickness. i'm just confused and exaggerating 21:41:51 <|amethyst> I had never considered the utility of 100z 21:41:56 <|amethyst> s/100/0100/ 21:42:08 |amethyst: you've never seen/used mass apportation?? 21:42:31 New branch created: pull/153 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/153 21:42:31 03gerbias02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/153 * 0.17-a0-2015-g2f62f87: Make growth deterministic with no nearby enemies 10(27 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f62f87edd34 21:42:36 haven't watched enough marvinPA games 21:42:39 |amethyst: i learned that lesson after grunt suggested i hold down backquote to mass apport and i got instagibbed by the thing i was avoiding 21:42:44 <|amethyst> Grunt: I hadn't considered that it would retarget sensibly 21:43:05 yeah i thought it wouldn't too 21:43:10 Grunt gets $5 every time someone dies from taking his advice 21:43:19 ??dpeg[death 21:43:19 book_of_death[1/1]: Corpse Rot, Sublimation of Blood, Agony, Dispel Undead, Excruciating Wounds, Bolt of Draining 21:43:21 hm 21:43:27 <|amethyst> err 21:43:36 ??death[3 21:43:36 death[3/4]: <@dpeg> Dying is awesome. Everytime a player dies, the devteam celebrates. 21:43:40 <|amethyst> re that pull request, why only when no enemies are nearby I wonder 21:43:44 it was the farthest i'd ever gotten outside of my one win...spider end that time, too 21:43:46 ??devteam[death 21:43:46 devteam[12/27]: all deaths are good 21:43:51 |amethyst: because there's already well-defined behaviour when enemies are near 21:45:02 hypractvChipmunk: meph won't work 21:45:05 <|amethyst> ah 21:47:38 I think there is some variability when enemies are near. 21:47:44 particularly when there is exactly one enemy 21:48:01 I test this bug a bit and posted it on mantis but never tried to fix it for some reason I don't remember. 21:48:06 s/test/tested/ 21:50:39 <|amethyst> oh 21:50:50 <|amethyst> maybe needs to be stable_sort 21:51:22 <|amethyst> hm, no, I guess that wouldn't make it nondeterministic (on a single machine) if everything up to that point is deterministic 21:52:04 I suspect that commit actually makes fedhas growth deterministic even if there are enemies nearby, despite the commit message. 21:52:25 <|amethyst> it shouldn't change that 21:52:43 I haven't looked at the code extensively, yeah. 21:52:47 <|amethyst> if the enemies are actual hostiles that you can see in LOS 21:53:05 <|amethyst> it just removes a shuffle_array if mons_positions.empty() 21:53:08 <|amethyst> oh 21:53:16 <|amethyst> this gets called multiple times, doesn't it 21:53:23 curare doesn't stop entropy weaver chanting? 21:53:53 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: that was considered too spoilery 21:54:19 so what exactly does "asphyxiation" do? 21:54:26 <|amethyst> damage 21:54:26 if it doesn't stop people from talking 21:54:43 huh, i thought needles weren't supposed to do direct damage 21:55:13 <|amethyst> well, the needle doesn't do the damage, the poison does 21:55:47 <|amethyst> %git 0bbdfb63 21:55:47 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-566-g0bbdfb6: Remove the breath effect from curare 10(6 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0bbdfb63081d 21:55:51 -!- Adventurer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56:54 can i at least argue that it wasn't spoilery, since i thought of it just fine on my own 21:57:10 <|amethyst> I wasn't all that happy with the change myself 21:57:34 made sense to me...dude starts chanting, close his windpipe 21:57:38 <|amethyst> The commit does say "The poison can be renamed to something without a real-world analog, if desired." 21:59:26 i'm running out of ammo >8*( 22:00:02 <|amethyst> you could use your lajatang when you don't mind being adjacent to things 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:00:20 why are you playing sp^qaz anyway? some particular challenge? 22:00:26 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 22:00:48 well, i have my layer code in now, so i can use qazlal again 22:00:52 ha 22:01:12 and i inner flame everything...nice to be able to walk through it 22:01:23 too bad it doesn't save me from explosions 22:06:19 -!- predator117 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:41 -!- Laraso has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:11:05 woo 22:11:09 take that, grunt 22:12:14 guess there's no reason to carry around a blowgun then >8*( 22:13:25 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:14:03 hm 22:14:20 Cute bug: Antaeus and only Antaeus can be bribed out of the unique hell lords because his genus isn't "MONS_HELL_LORD", the check if they can't be bribed. 22:14:37 I'll fix it when I push the Gozag bribe branch fixes I'm working. 22:16:09 it seems that if a wall "explodes into countless fragments", it ought to leave a few stones behind >8P 22:16:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:35 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:41 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:42 reaverb: good 22:25:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:29:08 -!- Pisano has quit [] 22:29:45 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:33:13 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:16 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:49:19 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:52:06 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:52:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:15 reaverb: Antaeus isn't like the other hell lords to begin with in a lot of ways; having him be bribable doesn't sound that weird when he's not resistant to poison and leaves behind a corpse 22:54:35 probably because he lacks said tag >8) 22:54:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:52 -!- Butz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:03:16 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08:21 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:09:29 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:10:56 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:12:44 -!- Palyth has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:56 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:00 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:24:19 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:42 -!- dograt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:24:43 -!- reaverb is now known as Guest73777 23:26:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:29:07 -!- reaverbot has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:06 -!- Guest73777 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:33:43 -!- reaverbot has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:42:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:30 -!- reaverbot has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:49 -!- reaverbot is now known as reaverb 23:45:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:51:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:53:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:37 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-2096-g48ee33d: Deduct gold from Gozag's Bribe Branch on monsters coming into view (#9923) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 22+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48ee33dec76e 23:53:37 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-2097-gbe5097e: unbrace (mapdef.cc) 10(72 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be5097ec8695 23:53:37 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-2098-gf59d6bc: Don't let players bribe Antaeus with Gozag 10(54 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f59d6bced958 23:55:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:59 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]