00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:05 -!- Milski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:21 -!- Eronarn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:25 wow, Eronarn 00:07:37 !lg * recent s=crace% 00:07:41 1232056 games for * (recent): 135390x Demonspawn (10.99%), 89185x Minotaur (7.24%), 87797x Octopode (7.13%), 76904x Gargoyle (6.24%), 75723x Deep Elf (6.15%), 59173x Draconian (4.80%), 57296x Vine Stalker (4.65%), 54698x Troll (4.44%), 52091x Formicid (4.23%), 48848x High Elf (3.96%), 48296x Hill Orc (3.92%), 47098x Spriggan (3.82%), 41720x Merfolk (3.39%), 40782x Mummy (3.31%), 36657x Human (2.98... 00:07:50 look at that Op popularity 00:12:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:46 Op OP? 00:13:10 <|amethyst> Yeah, you know me 00:13:33 |amethyst: who are you again? 00:13:34 * Grunt hides. 00:13:56 * |amethyst reads a scroll of enchant armour 00:14:32 !lg * recent urune>0 s=crace% 00:14:33 38744 games for * (recent urune>0): 5396x Minotaur (13.93%), 4095x Gargoyle (10.57%), 2790x Demonspawn (7.20%), 2139x Hill Orc (5.52%), 1957x Vine Stalker (5.05%), 1842x Formicid (4.75%), 1759x Deep Elf (4.54%), 1495x Troll (3.86%), 1457x Spriggan (3.76%), 1450x Deep Dwarf (3.74%), 1287x Draconian (3.32%), 1285x Merfolk (3.32%), 1245x Ogre (3.21%), 1232x Octopode (3.18%), 951x Naga (2.45%), 946x H... 00:15:09 poor Op...not so OP... 00:15:28 !lg . won op 00:15:29 3. gammafunk the Sensei (L27 OpTm of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-05-30 21:36:33, with 2264736 points after 72379 turns and 8:15:32. 00:15:32 !lg . op won 00:15:33 1. SGrunt the Cryomancer (L27 OpVM of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-14 05:42:21, with 1365100 points after 108437 turns and 7:10:55. 00:15:34 -!- mtyson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:15:43 I'm still miffed about that one Depths:1 death 00:15:47 !lg . op depths:1 00:15:47 I mean people just don't know about the classic optm^sif power combo of 0.15, 0.16, and 0.18 00:15:48 1. SGrunt the Eclecticist (L21 OpVM of Vehumet), blasted by an ogre mage (crystal spear) (kmap: onia_ninara_cookie) on Depths:1 on 2013-12-12 01:13:52, with 311397 points after 67453 turns and 4:42:25. 00:16:26 onia_ninara_cookie 00:16:30 that's an interesting vault name 00:16:34 !vault onia_ninara_cookie 00:16:35 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#l3012 00:16:42 well, it needs context 00:16:45 ??stair deaths[11 00:16:46 stair deaths[11/12]: !lg SGrunt 1352 -tv:<0.2 00:16:47 er 00:16:48 ??stair deaths[10 00:16:48 stair deaths[10/12]: !lg SGrunt 1178 -tv:<0.1:x0.5 00:16:49 that one 00:16:56 !lg sgrunt 1178 00:16:57 1178/1385. SGrunt the Eclecticist (L21 OpVM of Vehumet), blasted by an ogre mage (crystal spear) (kmap: onia_ninara_cookie) on Depths:1 on 2013-12-12 01:13:52, with 311397 points after 67453 turns and 4:42:25. 00:17:11 !lg sgrunt 1178 -tv:<0.1:x0.5 00:17:12 1178/1385. SGrunt, XL21 OpVM, T:67453 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:20:02 !lg sgrunt 1178 -tv:<0.1:x0.5 00:20:03 1178/1385. SGrunt, XL21 OpVM, T:67453 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:20:27 heh 00:20:48 ask yourself how I could have avoided that 00:21:05 strategic error, obv 00:21:11 !banish chequers 00:21:12 Grunt casts a spell. chequers is cast into 4chan! 00:21:15 rip 00:21:30 and ogre mage did something in depths 00:21:48 !lg * br=depths current trunk ikiller=ogre_mage 00:21:50 3. cojito the Warrior (L21 HOFE of Beogh), mangled by an ogre mage (a +0 whip of electrocution) on Depths:2 on 2015-10-05 23:30:26, with 332124 points after 63575 turns and 3:17:16. 00:21:55 yeah thought so 00:22:15 clearly give ogre mages Berserk Other <.< 00:22:32 is that the one that berserk's the player? 00:22:36 no 00:22:42 *berserks 00:22:49 well I think the moth of wrath ability is currently called Berserk Other 00:23:04 but the "berserk the player" is AF_BERSERK 00:23:23 speaking of crazy monster buffs, does anyone object to orange crystal statues getting: sinv, shadow creatures (with any necessary vault adjustments)? 00:23:28 they're not very good at present 00:23:35 it's worked fairly well for the lunar statue 00:23:48 orange crystal test spawners 00:24:02 some complained about similarity to obsidian statues, but the monster sets summoned are very dif. 00:24:22 Grunt: and give ocs hd:1000 to complete the transition 00:24:24 or is it more 00:24:27 @??test_spawner 00:24:27 test spawner (16X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%; 07stationary) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, regen, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 07acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1145683 | Sp: shadow creatures [06!sil], plane rend [06!sil], phantom mirror [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: b.. 00:24:30 why does lugonu give +1 crap weapon rather than +0 next tier weapon? is this very precise balancing or weirdness 00:24:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: what about Wucad? 00:24:42 wucad has that 00:24:47 I think that is exactly Wucad's spell set, |amethyst 00:24:48 @??statue_of_wucad_mu 00:24:48 unknown monster: "statue_of_wucad_mu" 00:24:50 Statue of Wucad Mu (048) | Spd: 6 (07stationary) | HD: 20 | HP: 80 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, evil, unbreathing, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1084 | Sp: brain feed [11!AM, 06!sil], draining gaze [11!AM, 06!sil], mass confusion [11!AM, 06!sil], shadow creatures [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:24:50 %??statue of wucad mu 00:24:50 <|amethyst> right 00:24:51 er 00:25:00 <|amethyst> so would wucad just be a regular OCS with more HP? 00:25:13 yeah, and with that special summon set 00:25:18 which is nasty in its own way 00:25:28 it would use the "ghost monks" set defined in that vault 00:25:33 well it does use taht 00:25:35 *that 00:25:58 it's reasonably effective, not the greatest "vault boss" 00:26:02 but it gets some kills 00:26:03 hrm 00:26:06 I say that, but.. 00:26:19 !lg * recent map=wizlab_wucad s=ikiller 00:26:20 43 games for * (recent map=wizlab_wucad): 34x old memories, 7x the Statue of Wucad Mu, the player character, 00:26:23 !lg * cikiller~~Wucad_Mu 00:26:26 8. Bamboomancer the Devastator (L17 GrFE of Vehumet), mangled by a monstrous demonspawn (summoned by the Statue of Wucad Mu) in WizLab (wizlab_wucad) on 2015-09-14 16:30:49, with 133494 points after 37719 turns and 2:58:50. 00:26:33 yeah so about 20% of deaths 00:26:36 not bad really 00:26:43 ollllld memories 00:26:53 !lg * recent map=wizlab_wucad ikiller=the_player_character 00:26:55 1. heteroy the Brawler (L15 BeMo of Makhleb), blasted by a green death (poison arrow) (summoned by the player character) in WizLab (wizlab_wucad) on 2015-01-27 23:11:49, with 106875 points after 29470 turns and 2:03:56. 00:26:59 !lg * recent map=wizlab_wucad ikiller=the_player_character -tv 00:27:01 1. heteroy, XL15 BeMo, T:29470 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:27:02 heh, good one heteroy 00:27:08 (I know how this will play out, but still) 00:27:10 !lg * map=wizlab_lehudib s=ikiller 00:27:11 24 games for * (map=wizlab_lehudib): 9x a moon troll, 5x a stone giant, 3x a tentacled starspawn, 2x a crystal guardian, 2x an eye of devastation, a war gargoyle, a quicksilver dragon, a cacodemon 00:27:29 !lg * recent map=wizlab_wucad ikiller= 00:27:33 moon troll is better but that's inflated by old moon troll, which had singularity 00:27:34 1. Mudsilo the Arsonist (L16 OpFE of Gozag), quit the game in WizLab (wizlab_wucad) on 2015-10-08 05:03:52, with 104349 points after 36133 turns and 2:52:54. 00:27:36 oh 00:27:40 bearkinnnnn 00:27:46 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-2055-gb4e23be (34) 00:27:52 !lg * map=wizlab_wucad killer~~giant 00:27:53 1. rjrrt the Executioner (L15 MiBe of Trog), demolished by a hill giant (a +0,+0 giant club) (summoned by the player character) in WizLab (wizlab_wucad) on 2012-06-06 23:56:38, with 84620 points after 26097 turns and 2:50:12. 00:27:58 !lg * map=wizlab_wucad killer~~giant -tv 00:27:59 1. rjrrt, XL15 MiBe, T:26097 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:28:09 wow 00:28:11 this is a good tv 00:28:37 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:28:48 oh rip that ttyrec 00:28:55 old cdo tv 00:29:32 :( 00:29:55 how did he anger his summon? 00:29:59 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:06 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 00:30:06 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:09 oh the statue confused it? 00:30:30 !log * map=wizlab_wucad killer~~giant 00:30:31 1. rjrrt, XL15 MiBe, T:26097: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/rjrrt/morgue-rjrrt-20120606-235638.txt 00:31:39 looks like it 00:31:52 oh maybe he was confused and hit the ogre 00:31:55 iirc he himself was confused and attacked the-- yes 00:33:46 rjrrt is the guy who has won like 20 defes 00:35:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:11 in any way related to logicninja? 00:35:15 !gamesby rjrrt 00:35:16 rjrrt has played 1066 games, between 2012-05-24 13:54:16 and 2015-09-16 15:02:36, won 64 (6.0%), high score 11746114, total score 235312812, total turns 21677822, play-time/day 1:39:19, total time 83d+12:46:31. 00:35:21 !won rjrrt 00:35:22 rjrrt has won 64 times in 1066 games (6.00%): 19xDEFE 18xMiBe 7xCeHu 4xHOBe 2xDrFE 2xHEFE 1xCeBe 1xCeDK 1xCeFi 1xDDBe 1xDsBe 1xGrBe 1xHOHe 1xHuBe 1xMiGl 1xNaBe 1xOgBe 1xSpVM 00:35:26 no seems not 00:35:29 !streak rjrrt defe 00:35:31 rjrrt (defe) has 2 consecutive wins (DEFE, DEFE; DEFE, DEFE; DEFE, DEFE). 00:35:36 !gamesby logicninja 00:35:37 logicninja has played 12849 games, between 2012-01-23 00:47:53 and 2015-10-07 03:59:55, won 26 (0.2%), high score 14196359, total score 279311035, total turns 61091370, play-time/day 1:54:53, total time 108d+0:41:48. 00:35:49 !lg logicninja won s=char 00:35:50 26 games for logicninja (won): 6x DECj, 4x DEFE, 3x VSEn, 2x VSBe, NaFE, DDBe, GrEE, NaCj, HOFE, GrBe, GrCj, MiBe, KoBe, GrFE, HECj 00:36:12 remember, logicninja didn't *win* DEFEs 00:36:16 he splatted them on Slime:6 <_< 00:36:34 !lg logicninja defe s:place 00:36:35 2047 games for logicninja (defe): 666x D:1, 402x D:2, 269x D:3, 199x D:4, 97x D:5, 77x D:6, 43x D:7, 37x D:8, 27x D:9, 19x D:11, 16x D:10, 14x D:13, 12x Lair:5, 9x Lair:1, 9x D:12, 8x Lair:4, 7x Sewer, 7x D:15, 7x Ossuary, 6x Lair:8, 6x Orc:4, 6x D:$, 6x Lair:2, 6x Lair:3, 5x Abyss:1, 5x Lair:6, 5x IceCv, 4x D:14, 4x Depths:2, 4x Bailey, 3x Elf:3, 3x D:20, 3x D:16, 3x Zot:5, 3x Abyss:2, 3x Depths:... 00:36:49 Grunt: so what do you think is the best way to get this spell to the point where it's fun quickly enough for me to get to use it before I die? 00:36:52 really wish that wheals quote about logicninja ghosts being the top enemy in slime was in learndb 00:37:03 haha 00:37:04 ??logicninja[fire 00:37:05 logicninja[3/6]: why are there two fire storm ghosts in slime 6 00:37:20 hypractvChipmunk: raise your int more 00:37:23 <.< 00:37:30 -!- Doesnty is now known as Doesnt 00:37:45 hmm, warn_hatches is pretty annoying with autotravel 00:37:57 !lg * ikiller~~logicninja br=slime 00:37:59 1. sosloow the Scorcher (L23 HOFE of Ashenzari), blasted by LogicNinja's ghost (great blast of fire) on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2014-04-20 09:50:06, with 415343 points after 77329 turns and 9:40:40. 00:38:19 !lg * ikiller~~logicninja br=slime -tv 00:38:20 1. sosloow, XL23 HOFE, T:77329 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:38:40 it seemed to need to get to 4.5 spellpower (i didn't even know spellpower was rational before) 00:39:45 nice 00:40:44 !tell amalloy warn_hatches is pretty annoying with autotravel (if it tries to take a hatch midway through the journey), not sure if there is solution for that 00:40:44 Medar: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 00:41:03 Gell's spellpower curve might be wonky; it was originally a higher level spell 00:41:38 hm 00:41:38 amalloy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:41:57 it would be more fun if it had like, higher radius but a chance not to work on more distant mobs 00:42:08 don't prompt when taking a previously visited trap? 00:42:15 er hatch 00:42:16 that might be it 00:42:19 so you could at least have hope that it would do something fun 00:42:26 -!- Norgs_ is now known as DonLaser 00:43:18 and as I said before, being only radius one for so long made it very difficult to reconcile the description with the actual gameplay 00:44:16 haybe. i guess i don't have a lot of already-explored hatches to autotravel through, since i generally avoid them 00:44:45 well me too, but sometimes you use them for actual escape still 00:45:06 yes 00:45:17 but once i've done that, do i really want to autotravel back into the danger zone? 00:45:50 <|amethyst> ? 00:46:00 <|amethyst> what do you mean "back into the danger zone" 00:46:01 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:46:11 <|amethyst> you're autotravelling from what was previously the danger zone 00:46:34 <|amethyst> if autotravel got all the way to the hatch to take it, it's obviously not a danger zone anymore 00:46:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:01 i didn't realize autotravel ever used hatches 00:47:11 that's kinda dangerous, isn't it? 00:47:17 <|amethyst> only known hatches 00:47:29 <|amethyst> when that is the shortest path 00:47:40 oh, are hatches fixed once you use them? 00:47:49 <|amethyst> yes, every hatch has a single destination 00:47:54 i thought they were random 00:48:53 i must've totally read straight past that in the manual 00:48:59 and i've read it several times 00:49:01 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:49:52 <|amethyst> mention hatches? in the manual? why would we do such a crazy thing? 00:50:09 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:10 The build has errored. (master - 4235e72 #3357 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/84728768 00:50:10 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:50:37 >< 00:50:56 ...connection timed out 00:51:01 i used to think that too. it's not very clearly explained 00:51:14 <|amethyst> they used to not be random at all 00:51:34 what amalloy said 00:51:48 in fact i probably though hatches were random until right now 00:52:10 <|amethyst> !bug 3200 00:52:10 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3200 00:52:47 also while we're sorta on the subject, you know how you can use the X map to hover over a staircase and change floors to find the map around the matching staircase (I think only if you've already traversed it)? 00:53:27 it doesn't make the deduction when there's one left and i think it ought to 00:53:34 unless that's a mimic thing again 00:53:44 but then there wouldn't be one and only one left on both levels 00:54:16 it drove me crazy on my orb run; i couldn't figure out why the map change kept jumping around to a non-stair location for one of the stairs 00:54:26 when i was planning my route 00:55:26 it was really frustrating; it was the only un-fun part about the endgame. I spent like 3 minutes trying to figure out where my cursor was popping to 00:56:10 <|amethyst> that [ ] behaviour is a bit spoilery anyway 00:56:18 <|amethyst> how are you supposed to know about it? 00:56:54 i dunno, it just struck me like it would be a good thing to have one day, so i tried it and it worked 00:57:08 why wouldn't it go to the correct stair? otherwise you'd have to write it down manually or something 00:57:17 that's the whole point of having a map in-game, isn't it? 00:57:47 if it were a real map, you'd draw an arrow or label both ends the same 00:58:03 <|amethyst> well, 00:58:05 <|amethyst> "[ or ] : Examine the next higher or lower level" 00:58:18 it's just when you have (A)-(A) and (B)-(B) it can't deduce (C)-(C) 00:58:18 shouldn't i get a warning from tso before using poison spit? 00:58:28 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: against what? 00:58:30 even though there's only one left 00:58:44 <|amethyst> I have no reason to believe from that description that it would do something different when the cursor is on a stair 00:58:47 against how it's going to earn me penance? 00:59:01 you don't get penance if the target is immune, i think 00:59:03 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: I mean, against what enemy? 00:59:15 i did it to an adder 00:59:23 <|amethyst> hm 00:59:32 |amethyst: not from the description, no; but i was very pleasantly surprised when it did exactly what i expected 00:59:35 Tha splash o' poison hits tha adder. Tha adder be poison'd. Ye feel very guilty. "Ye will pay fer yer transgression, mortal!" 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:25 take that, mortal 01:00:36 <|amethyst> yeah, that's a bug 01:01:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:02:02 <|amethyst> probably there are other mutation abilities with similar problems 01:02:54 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:03:49 tso should just allow you to poison non-intelligent humanoids 01:04:04 so it lines up with the chivalry stuff 01:04:20 adders aren't humanoids 01:04:24 it would remove the situation where you really regret taking early tso because you find a blowgun 01:04:30 yeah thats the point 01:04:34 im saying he should allow it 01:04:44 since he allows you to backstab cattle 01:04:54 cattle aren't humanoids either 01:05:01 thats the point also 01:05:04 <|amethyst> non-(intelligent humanoids) 01:05:11 ah 01:05:34 i mean poison isn't inherently evil, just dishonorable 01:05:40 so its closer to the chivalry thing than the holy thing 01:06:02 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:31 hm, why'd my ogam get nets but my spam didn't.. 01:06:38 oh, they must come with the rocks 01:06:56 all backgrounds that pick throwing are supposed to get nets 01:07:02 can sp even use nets 01:07:08 the option should be "large rocks and throwing nets" in that case 01:07:27 that's valid yeah 01:07:34 i actually think they might now 01:07:50 <|amethyst> spam does get throwing nets 01:07:52 but having throwing nets is actually pretty huge deal 01:08:09 yeah throwing nets are very powerful 01:08:18 my spam was a slinger, not a thrower 01:08:21 <|amethyst> oh 01:08:26 -!- Pacra__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:35 i didn't realize it was attached to the weapon loadout 01:08:58 cuz it only said "large rocks" 01:08:58 <|amethyst> probably the prompt should say "throwing", "crossbows", etc 01:09:10 <|amethyst> not "tomahawks", "hand crossbow", ... 01:09:34 well it helps to say what weapon you'll get 01:09:44 <|amethyst> except it doesn't say what weapon you'll get 01:09:49 you might not want to pick a certain class because of racial things 01:09:51 i mean in general 01:09:55 <|amethyst> since it doesn't mention throwing nets 01:09:59 yeah, if poison were considered "inherently evil" then you'd think zin and ely would be all about prohibiting it 01:10:01 ehe 01:10:15 anyway, you want me to put that on mantis? 01:10:17 im saying it should probably say javs and throwing nets like hc said 01:10:25 or toma/nets 01:10:43 and technically you get bullets, arrows, and bolts also 01:10:54 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2055-gb4e23be (34) 01:11:08 i was surprised i got bullets for my slinger; that was a pleasant surprise too 01:11:15 i figured i'd get rocks 01:11:16 -!- Tungsten has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11:40 i might be more inclined to choose a sling to start with now, knowing that 01:11:44 and definitely the throwing net thing 01:12:26 slings -> throwing can be viable like sbl -> lbl sorta 01:12:50 |amethyst: you want me to put that up on mantis? 01:14:17 knowing how much ammo you get would be nice too 01:14:25 since it's different for every one 01:15:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:19:19 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2055-gb4e23be (34) 01:20:58 -!- Evablue_ is now known as Evablue 01:22:50 heh, i like how removing companions from the previous game is like the last thing that happens when a new game starts 01:22:51 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:33 initialize inventory, set hitpoints and mana to full, generate jiyva's name...oh, and someone should probably tell these guys they can go home now 01:24:11 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: yes 01:24:19 kk 01:29:09 TSO does not give warning before using Poison Spit 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10009 by prozacelf 01:30:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:31 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:37:01 -!- FaMott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:26 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:49 hm, something that's also always bugged me: pressing anything besides 'n' or 'q' at the random character prompt means 'yes'...I always want to press the !/Tab key to roll a different one and it just accepts it instead 01:42:55 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 01:45:37 i think maybe it wouldn't hurt to silently infer that...since every key besides those two already silently infers 'y' 01:46:10 oh, escape also infers 'q' 01:47:59 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:49:01 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:01 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 01:49:01 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:41 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2055-gb4e23be 01:55:31 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:57:14 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:58:56 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:20 -!- n1k is now known as Guest73862 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:25 Anyone know where the title screen art lives? 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i see at least one place where it has to be special-cased to bullets (godblessing.cc:147), and there may be others, but I can't figure out why it isn't that to begin with 03:11:25 .jugged -2 03:11:26 56/57. [dam=93;tdam=93] derrpe the Cloud Mage (L27 DgCj), annihilated by a juggernaut on Zig:23 on 2015-10-10 22:33:11, with 779131 points after 102647 turns and 8:25:39. 03:11:32 our fist juggernaut zig kill 03:14:45 ahhh, the fist jug 03:15:48 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 03:16:17 s/fist/first/ although fist also appropriate 03:16:39 .jugged br=zig killer=juggernaut 03:16:40 1. [dam=93;tdam=93] derrpe the Cloud Mage (L27 DgCj), annihilated by a juggernaut on Zig:23 on 2015-10-10 22:33:11, with 779131 points after 102647 turns and 8:25:39. 03:20:04 i kind of liked fist tbh 03:22:38 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2055-gb4e23be (34) 03:26:52 figures i would break my speedabyss record on a comborobin game 03:27:20 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:21 ikr? i just hate it when i do that 03:30:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:30:36 it's literally the worst 03:31:08 New branch created: pull/141 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/141 03:31:08 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/141 * 0.17-a0-2056-g71fe306: Give the player more information on the ranged weapon loadout screen 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 25+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/71fe306c38b3 03:35:24 hoping someone really gets clobbered by the new earth zig set 03:41:46 hah, 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the connection] 13:03:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:15 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:27:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2055-gb4e23be (34) 13:29:35 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:37:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:41 -!- guyht has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:58 hey guys, im the maintainer of http://lookupdb.guy.ht/. The https://loom.shalott.org/api/sequell/ldb endpoint is down, is this something you guys are aware of? 13:41:29 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:00 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:24 <|amethyst> greensnark: guyht says /api/sequell/ldb is down 13:57:02 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:29 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:05 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:23:03 @amethyst thanks - I am updating the lookup db to 16 and noticed that sequall wasnt working 14:27:30 -!- guyht has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:39 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 14:35:13 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:50 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:23 |amethyst: does the patch in #9866 look ok? 14:41:23 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:41:26 !messages 14:41:27 (1/1) hypractvChipmunk said (11h 8m 11s ago): Ha, take that! As thanks for merging one of my pull requests, I give you two more to deal with! 14:43:24 <|amethyst> wheals: hm 14:43:55 <|amethyst> wheals: that's a little weird, because blame_damage already sets the damage total if it did have hit points before suiciding 14:44:11 <|amethyst> wheals: how about: 14:44:34 i'm kind of busy, i can't deal with it personally right now, just wanted to pass it along 14:44:43 <|amethyst> ah, I'll do it then 14:44:53 -!- Kelthazard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:47:31 thanks 14:47:34 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:51:38 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54:53 <|amethyst> oh, hm 14:55:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:55:10 <|amethyst> neither that patch nor mine actually fixes the problem... 14:56:55 <|amethyst> ohh 14:57:00 <|amethyst> it's ENCH_SHORT_LIVED 14:57:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:58:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:43 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:49 -!- xtwv has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:13:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:20 -!- mtyson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:15:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:16:59 |amethyst: good afternoon >8) 15:17:30 hey, is anyone allowed to submit broken unrands or is that the sole perogative of Lasty? 15:18:23 <|amethyst> anyone can submit, but you might need to convince lasty to commit it :) 15:18:37 * hypractvChipmunk grins. 15:18:59 well, i decided to try making one of my own this morning 15:19:20 i hope it's broken enough for him to accept it 15:21:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2056-g4e78098: Properly assign credit for short-lived monster time-outs (#9866) 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e78098616ad 15:21:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2057-g5313c72: Make suicide() credit negative HP (gerbias) 10(29 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5313c7264da4 15:22:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:00 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:28:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:30:34 this one's so obvious it's probably everyone's first unrand attempt >8) but it was good practice, at least 15:30:47 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 15:31:56 New branch created: pull/142 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 15:31:56 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 * 0.17-a0-2056-g5686bcd: Unrand attempt: the -6 whip "Skinflayer" 10(11 minutes ago, 6 files, 40+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5686bcd52052 15:35:19 * Grunt experiments a bit... 15:35:25 [evoker-god-rebase 7cf695d] Pakellas: (Mass) Drain Magic. 15:35:27 [evoker-god-rebase 3ef0f0a] Pakellas: Sap Magic. 15:35:36 * hypractvChipmunk screams in horror! 15:35:44 hypractvChipmunk's sanity hangs in tatters! 15:35:55 aw, come on, Sequell; won't you scream with me? 15:36:01 ...I'll note that that unrand doesn't even compile as written >.> 15:36:09 does to 15:36:09 o 15:36:26 wait 15:36:27 <|amethyst> hm 15:36:28 does not 15:36:33 wtf did i do? 15:36:36 i was just testing it 15:36:58 did you forget to update your commit / pull request / push your changes? 15:37:32 <|amethyst> is the find + if in the non-const CrawlHashTable::get_value() any different from just doing return (*hash_map)[key]; 15:37:37 yeah, didn't commit --append th elast change 15:37:47 --amend* 15:37:51 before pushing 15:38:37 <|amethyst> other than being slower because it does two extra lookups in the not-found case 15:41:47 |amethyst: in the internal implementation, i assume you mean? 15:41:57 <|amethyst> yes 15:42:06 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 * 0.17-a0-2057-g6c3df6e: Oops. Fix obvious error. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c3df6e5dfba 15:45:03 well, it creates an empty untyped key if one doesn't exist; I don't know if that's useful anywhere 15:45:16 <|amethyst> you're using it, for one thing :) 15:46:05 oh, that's right; i changed it to local ints 15:47:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:48:28 i'd previously been dorkin' around with references to the CrawlStoreValue before I realized that almost everything was handled with operator overloads 15:48:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2058-g8b0eb12: Simplify CrawlHashTable::get_value() 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8b0eb123ccb2 15:50:02 but i remember looking at exactly that block of code and scratching my head for a bit before deciding, "well, I'm sure there's a good reason for it" 15:50:16 "fleece" away? 15:50:22 i think you meant "flense" 15:50:24 or something 15:50:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50:41 flense is better 15:50:57 <|amethyst> shear madness! 15:51:04 i suppose fleece implies only above-the-skin 15:51:26 but flensing is delicious 15:51:48 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:56 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 * 0.17-a0-2058-g29f24cc: Skinflayer description edit: s/fleece/flense/. 10(88 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29f24cce38bd 15:54:32 i even drew the little pictures of the whip with a nasty-looking digging-slicing-shearing implement at the end! 15:54:40 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:46 well, as nasty as you can do in about 4x4 pixels 15:54:56 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: hm, probably there should be some cap 15:55:09 that's the broken part! 15:55:22 <|amethyst> broken as in undefined behaviour 15:55:41 <|amethyst> well, not really, since you can't get a monster with that many HP, but still 15:56:12 that's what i figured: if you do enough damage to overflow an int, you've by definition already overflowed the health bar 15:56:13 <|amethyst> if you can bonus at 16, then it's the same for all practical purposes, but it would make me happier :) 15:56:18 yeah 15:56:21 <|amethyst> s/can/cap/ 15:56:21 no, you're right 15:57:02 <|amethyst> oh, btw 15:57:24 -!- avis is now known as Guest56496 15:57:36 <|amethyst> I think you can use int &bonus = defender->props["skinflayer_bonus"]; (or if not, then you definitely can with a .get_int()) 15:57:45 <|amethyst> then you won't have to assign at the end 15:57:52 <|amethyst> the thing you were trying to do before 15:57:54 -!- Guest56496 has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:56 <|amethyst> AIUI 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:32 hm, i was having difficulty with it before; but that might have been side effect of other ignorances 16:00:39 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: also, I'd use const char *verb 16:00:52 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: then you don't need the .c_str() and you save a memory allocation 16:01:25 i was trying to be C++-ish! 16:01:48 does that mean i can assign NULL as the fallback, too? 16:01:55 instead of testing its length 16:02:14 <|amethyst> (well, with the small-string optimisation you probably wouldn't save an allocation, but it would save some run-time copying anyway) 16:02:29 <|amethyst> yes, except you should write nullptr these days, not NULL :) 16:02:47 <|amethyst> hm 16:04:06 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 * 0.17-a0-2059-gc6aeb37: Cap Skinflayer bonus stacks at 15. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6aeb37072ff 16:05:04 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:36 is there a different format-specifier i have to use? 16:06:29 <|amethyst> it's the same %s, since it's the same thing that you got before from verb.c_str() 16:07:13 that's what i'd figure, but it doesn't like it 16:07:27 <|amethyst> you have const char * verb = ..... 16:07:39 maybe i did somethin' stupid 16:07:41 <|amethyst> then mprf("%s's skin %s", defender->name(DESC_THE).c_str(), verb); ? 16:07:58 <|amethyst> did you get rid of the c_str() on defender->name too? 16:08:21 somethin' stupid indeed >8) 16:08:24 -!- vale__ is now known as vale_ 16:08:44 <|amethyst> (personally I like to use const char * const verb but I doubt it actually helps optimise anything in this case 16:08:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:12 it makes me happier that i don't have to check strlen 16:10:22 er, string::length() or whatever it is 16:10:30 <|amethyst> yeah 16:10:33 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:19 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: but do note that C++ guarantees that string::size (= length) is O(1) 16:11:26 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: unlike strlen 16:11:34 ah, good to know 16:11:46 <|amethyst> since it has to count it anyway to know when to reallocate 16:11:56 now I need to make the +27 pruning shears of plant slaying 16:12:20 because screw you, plants 16:12:34 yeah, makes sense 16:15:06 aha, and what i was doing wrong earlier I think was using int *bonus = &... 16:15:24 but you wrote int &bonus = &... 16:15:33 <|amethyst> no, int &bonus = ... 16:15:55 <|amethyst> the * thing won't work because a conversion from A to B does not imply a conversion from A* to B* 16:16:24 <|amethyst> and the conversion happens with the =, which is after you already took the address and got a CrawlStoreValue* 16:17:05 gotcha 16:17:12 also, didn't know there was such a thing as int& 16:17:40 <|amethyst> yep, references work everywhere, not just in function arguments 16:17:50 i take it you access it unadorned thereafter to change its value? 16:18:08 <|amethyst> yes, it is essentially like taking the pointer but it's automatically dereferenced when used 16:18:20 <|amethyst> also, references cannot ever be null 16:18:40 looks like gonna need the get_int 16:18:44 <|amethyst> well, you could by dereferencing a null pointer, but that's undefined behaviour 16:18:51 <|amethyst> ah, that's likely 16:19:23 that don't work either; stand by! 16:20:56 <|amethyst> hm 16:21:02 <|amethyst> int &p = you.props["foobar"] works for me 16:21:24 yeah, i was &you.props["foobar"] 16:21:43 <|amethyst> yes, no & with references 16:21:47 figured it out; ought to work now 16:21:53 <|amethyst> int x = foo; makes a copy of foo 16:22:00 <|amethyst> int &x = foo; make an alias for foo 16:23:15 <|amethyst> also note that references do have the same lifetime problems as pointers: you shouldn't take references to temporaries unless the reference is just as temporary 16:23:52 <|amethyst> (there is a weird lifetime-extension exception for const references but ignore that for now) 16:24:28 yep, makes sense 16:26:04 <|amethyst> in this case, you can do it, because CrawlHashTable's operator[] returns a reference into the data structure, not a temporary copy 16:27:44 <|amethyst> (well, actually because the CrawlStoreValue has conversion operators to give you a reference, but that's only safe to use because operator[] returned a reference to the long-lived storevalue itself and not a temporary) 16:28:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:27 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:37 so long as the hash map is allocated, at least? 16:32:12 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:32:21 i need to change the enchantment on this thing for testing or i'm gonna be here all day swingin'! 16:33:13 this concept would have worked better with the old separation of +hit and +dmg 16:33:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:33:54 well, that's an empty statement; all concepts would work at least as well with the old separation 16:34:19 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:36 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 * 0.17-a0-2060-g05c7b3e: Simplify Skinflayer bonus damage implementation. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05c7b3e3cf96 16:34:38 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:55 I was hoping to put in ever-more-disgusting verbs for higher bonuses 16:36:05 -!- mtyson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:36:58 but I figured i'd hold off on that, since it'd be much more fun to come up with those in IRC >8) 16:37:26 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: as for balance... 16:37:41 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: probably you should at least check that dam > 0 before you trigger 16:38:01 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: if the bad base type and enchantment is supposed to actually matter 16:38:02 I considered that briefly...but I don't know how that goes 16:38:20 since the damage is being reduced so heavily 16:38:39 i figured the wiser folks here could give me a better grasp on that 16:38:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:50 <|amethyst> damage being reduced so heavily? 16:39:20 well, from -6 16:40:07 it'd never actually do anything at all until you got a hit of 7 or better 16:40:07 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:22 <|amethyst> ??whip 16:40:22 whip[1/1]: (maces & flails; +2 acc / 6 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay). A long plaited strip of leather. 16:40:40 <|amethyst> which should be often enough if you have any skill or str 16:40:51 <|amethyst> against something with no AC anyway 16:40:58 and the enemy has no AC 16:41:56 alright. it felt punishing enough when i was testing it, but that was of course at very low levels 16:41:58 <|amethyst> yeah, a +0 whip with the trigger only on doing damage might work better 16:42:15 <|amethyst> (though that might be too good against low-AC things) 16:42:41 remember it also slips away if you miss 8-10 swings in a row 16:43:04 maybe i can keep it steady if you hit but do no damage 16:43:07 to fix that 16:43:18 no gain, but the timer is refreshed 16:43:24 <|amethyst> well 16:43:50 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:51 <|amethyst> if you have much weapon skill, that's more like 16 swings 16:44:03 ah, decent enough point 16:44:16 i trust your feel for things better than mine; i'll make the adjustment 16:44:33 you think it should be +0? 16:44:39 <|amethyst> no clue about that 16:44:48 <|amethyst> I think the accuracy penalty is relevant 16:45:11 <|amethyst> should ask someone who's actually a decent designer 16:45:15 <|amethyst> that wouldn't be me :) 16:45:20 yeah...if only those values were separate or something >8D 16:46:03 I will; thank you for all the feedback you've given me. I've learned quite a bit from this, as I had hoped. 16:46:05 <|amethyst> If it's something where you need a lot of skill to compensate for the minuses, well, that's not terrible 16:46:18 <|amethyst> because it is nice for skill to matter 16:47:00 <|amethyst> I worry that the version you posted is so good for some purposes that anyone who finds it would keep it as a swap regardless of training 16:47:39 <|amethyst> hm 16:47:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:48:24 |amethyst: looking to make WebTiles server wait for sockets/processes better on shutdown. do you think it's fine for it to take like 12 seconds (config.kill_timeout + 2) after getting a signal before terminating? 16:48:46 <|amethyst> depending on testing with high-AC monsters, it might also need AC applied to the flensing damage; OTOH, maybe AC works well enough at preventing stacking 16:49:45 |amethyst: that makes sense; I wanted to avoid that, too, and that's exactly the issue that you solve by forcing it to do damage 16:49:53 <|amethyst> Medar: hm... shouldn't be too much of a problem, but the init script probably needs to have the delay inserted in the 'restart' method 16:50:04 <|amethyst> Medar: (the init script is in the repo in util/) 16:51:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:15 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: anyway, you should get other devs to look at it too; I'm a bad player so not good with balancing power levels 16:53:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:56:23 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:48 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57:38 ah, I see, it has sleep 3 atm. 16:58:45 |amethyst: I hope to >8) 17:00:01 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/142 * 0.17-a0-2061-g7fd46c7: Apply flensing effect only on hits that inflict damage. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7fd46c7a0d14 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:28 |amethyst: Think I'll default it to force stopping after 2, like the old version, but allow setting config.shutdown_timeout to increase that. 17:02:14 could the init script just wait for the pid/pid file? 17:06:15 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:08 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:28 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:32 -!- Kashira has quit [Client Quit] 17:08:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:49 -!- raskol` has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:11:20 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:16:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:27:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:27:33 -!- raskol` is now known as raskol 17:34:06 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:35:11 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:57 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:38:11 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 17:41:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:37 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49:16 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:50:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:50:56 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:13 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 17:51:13 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:32 wb wheals. everything okay? you sounded pretty tense this morning 17:54:36 |amethyst: -1000 isn't about damage blaming, it's for 17:54:37 %git 8d858f7 17:54:38 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3215-g8d858f7: Reduce message spam on drowned soul attacks, color unsummon message boring 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 3 files, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d858f76e1ac 17:55:03 |amethyst: i traced the -10 back to initial revision so it's obviously not for damage blaming either 17:55:19 it's possible there's another check somewhere in monster_die that cares about hp though 17:56:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:36 what's this about -10? 18:01:39 -!- SirLicksAlot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:01:51 don't you know? 18:01:58 everybody knows about -10 18:01:59 I don't know everything, believe it or not >.> 18:02:00 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:02:03 or is it -1000 18:02:31 Grunt: arguments to suicide() 18:02:47 which are the value that monster::hp gets set to 18:03:55 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:19 -!- n1k is now known as Guest4795 18:05:39 gammafunk: how would one get in touch with HDA about https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?t=17948 18:07:08 tell him to update his CAO ones too; they're out-of-synch with the ones on CSZO and fail on trunk 18:09:12 -10 appears to be an old Linleyism 18:09:19