00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:53 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:07 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:20 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1942-g46ae386 (34) 00:10:46 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:13:28 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:15:50 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:03 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:08 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:41 -!- eb has quit [] 00:24:53 ontoclasm: the large shield doll designs with patterns that nagas always use constantly trick me into thinking they are using artifact large shields. fix plz 00:29:10 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:31 -!- Kanbei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:25 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:53 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:40:35 -!- Medra_ is now known as Medar 00:43:40 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56:52 |amethyst: cyc branch needs: give all nagas artefact large shields 00:59:58 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:44 -!- agentgt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:03:53 -!- Butz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:54 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:04:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1942-g46ae386 (34) 01:06:04 i'd take that 01:11:47 then there'd be artifact large shields in 50% of my games 01:14:06 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:31 i like artifact large shields 01:18:02 is it *really* necessary that plants take four hours to kill? 01:19:28 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1942-g46ae386 (34) 01:19:35 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:21:58 well, it is pretty convenient when you're the one using them as a shield 01:22:02 so i think it balances out 01:22:19 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:22:25 maybe give the player a flamethrower then 01:22:35 or at least a weed-whacker 01:24:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:24:36 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:24:57 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:30:19 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:41:25 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:44:08 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:45:36 -!- Wah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:23 it's well known that daffodils are more sturdy than the average orc 01:47:23 *significantly* more so 01:47:33 more sturdy than the average dragon even 01:48:19 i guess if you tried hitting me with a baseball bat for a while, and someone else was hitting a bush with a baseball bat at the same time, i'd be out of the way sooner 01:48:26 story checks out 01:50:29 the logic is unimpeachable 01:52:34 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:53:59 maybe more bushes should be fungus, or toadstools 01:54:13 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1942-g46ae386 01:55:11 there's also the distinction between bush and plant though 01:55:42 well, bush is more sturdy than even your not-so-average dragon 01:59:03 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:16 !lg . 01:59:17 765. pwnmonkey the Chopper (L7 MiFi), blasted by Natasha (magic dart) on D:2 on 2015-08-12 20:20:06, with 532 points after 3206 turns and 0:08:56. 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:11 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01:30 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:03 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:04:41 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:07:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:12:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:14:41 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:16:59 -!- Saka has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:51 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:20:59 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:29 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:39 !source need_save 02:34:39 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/state.h#l46 02:37:12 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:38:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:31 -!- deathgumby has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:41:33 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:49:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" "You die, stupid. That's why it's called reality."] 02:50:59 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1942-g46ae386 02:52:47 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53:40 !tell lasty alternate lore: forest troll leather armour 02:53:41 chequers: OK, I'll let lasty know. 02:53:52 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:55:41 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:34 New branch created: pull/122 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/122 02:58:34 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/122 * 0.17-a0-1943-g17949bc: Show your skill for shields (like weapons). 10(18 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/17949bc588c1 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15:01 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1942-g46ae386 (34) 03:16:07 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:17:47 clearly uniques who drop hides need to get special armor from them 03:19:09 FIRE DRAGON ARMOUR {RF++, RC-, *NOISY} 03:20:20 needs to make you break doors too 03:21:14 chequers: not sure I would use the word insufficient there 03:21:53 not that I know anything, but makes it sound like you shouldn't use your shield if your skill missing few levels 03:24:57 yes 03:25:13 about the xtahua armor i mean 03:26:04 and snorg is +/*Rage and purgy is str-4 or something 03:30:35 -!- j_____ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:34:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:38:48 does the serpent of hell leave behind a corpse 03:39:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:48 only yours, har har har (I don't know) 03:40:22 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:41:31 ??help 03:41:31 help[1/4]: !help (I need somebody) !help (not just anybody) Try https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md or https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/learndb.md 03:44:04 Medar: any better solution? 03:44:31 hmm 03:45:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:45:38 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:47:08 "and is reduces by your shield" is an option, of course that doesn't tell that skill helps 03:47:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:23 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:48:14 meh, might be just me, maybe someone else has an opinion 03:49:21 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:50:28 !source you.attack_delay 03:50:30 Can't find you.attack_delay. 03:50:33 !source attack_delay 03:50:34 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l395 03:50:45 !source attack_delay 2 03:50:46 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-act.cc#l258 03:50:55 maybe "reduced at your current level of shield skill" 03:52:51 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:57 -!- AnnoyedKitten is now known as UncertainKitten 03:53:31 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55:47 chequers: are you sure that delay and no_shield_delay are always different, given that the delay caused by shield is randomized? 03:55:49 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:56:21 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56:43 oh, sorry, never mind 03:57:01 attack_delay takes random=false there 03:57:21 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:04 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06:27 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:07:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:08:07 chequers: "slowed by your inexpert shield use"? 04:09:21 aside: i've never liked the "increased" there: the only number we use to measure attack speed (auts per attack) *decreases* as i gain skill. can we change it to "improved"? 04:10:57 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:20 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:37 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:14:13 improved does sound better to me 04:15:53 -!- Suga_H has quit [Quit: CATS CATS CATS] 04:29:01 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:45:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:57 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 05:14:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16:01 -!- Wolfe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:19:06 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28:11 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 05:36:27 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:36:37 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:49:08 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:56:02 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:57:33 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:23 -!- Wah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:50 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:20:22 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:22:21 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:26:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:02 -!- siepu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:43:27 -!- Trojan has quit [Client Quit] 06:52:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:54:45 .cobbed -2 06:54:47 22/23. trantor the Crack Shot (L26 HEHu of Okawaru), starved to death on Zot:1 on 2015-09-27 18:27:12, with 585030 points after 99331 turns and 10:23:48. 06:54:51 .cobbed 06:54:52 23. ZasiTheBeast the Slayer (L27 DrTm of Ashenzari), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2015-09-28 20:22:36, with 643951 points after 79800 turns and 6:13:12. 06:54:56 .cobbed -tv 06:54:58 23. ZasiTheBeast, XL27 DrTm, T:79800 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 06:56:02 .cobbed -log 06:56:04 23. ZasiTheBeast, XL27 DrTm, T:79800: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ZasiTheBeast/morgue-ZasiTheBeast-20150928-202236.txt 06:56:05 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:40 .jugged 06:56:41 35. Rubices the Skirmisher (L9 DsCK of Xom), annihilated by Gastronok the juggernaut on D:8 on 2015-09-30 04:08:29, with 2181 points after 5324 turns and 0:14:03. 06:57:08 oh dear 06:58:25 is it a bug with early uniques polymorphing into juggernauts? 06:58:38 <|amethyst> @??gastronok 06:58:39 Gastronok (06w) | Spd: 5 | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | 10items, 10doors, amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 2234 | Sp: airstrike (0-50), slow, swiftness, sum.small mammal, cantrip | Sz: Big | Int: human. 06:58:45 oh hd 20 06:59:05 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~gastronok_the s=killer 06:59:06 74 games for * (killer~~gastronok_the): 26x Gastronok the titan, 14x Gastronok the shard shrike, 9x Gastronok the acid blob, 8x Gastronok the golden dragon, 3x Gastronok the caustic shrike, 3x Gastronok the iron dragon, 2x Gastronok the elephant slug zombie, 2x Gastronok the juggernaut, 2x Gastronok the titan (shapeshifter), Gastronok the Killer Klown, Gastronok the shard shrike (shapeshifter), Ga... 06:59:22 does natural_leader do anything other than give the led by foo ikiller 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:08:44 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:19:56 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:38 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:24:39 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:24:43 oh, makes it not count as part of the band_size i guess 07:25:50 03Medar02 07* 0.17-a0-1943-gf8ac9ad: Remove compatibility mode from the WebTiles server. 10(19 hours ago, 2 files, 15+ 155-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8ac9ad4bc2c 07:25:50 03Medar02 07* 0.17-a0-1944-g0aa031b: Don't send messages from wrapper scripts to spectators. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0aa031b2f2ad 07:25:50 03Medar02 07* 0.17-a0-1945-gfe993df: Warn about invalid JSON lines from wrapper scripts. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe993dfe9141 07:28:26 -!- Trojan has quit [Client Quit] 07:29:58 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1945-gfe993df (34) 07:30:16 ololoev (L2 HEFi) (D:2) 07:30:17 Pikaro (L2 DrVM) (D:2) 07:30:18 Yermak (L7 OpAs) (D:7) 07:30:18 Webtiles server restarted. 07:30:19 Ijustatesigmund (L14 HOFi) (Lair:6) 07:30:28 * Medar whistles 07:30:30 nice crashes 07:30:53 !crashlog 07:30:59 12015. ololoev, XL2 HEFi, T:281 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/ololoev/crash-ololoev-20150930-113015.txt 07:31:01 oh, I've never looked at what that wrapper script actually sends to the client 07:31:09 saw it spits out html 07:31:37 me neither, until now tbh 07:31:51 is there any big need for webtiles resarts on other servers? 07:31:53 wonder if it could just spit it to the socket instead of stdout 07:32:16 no, I just wanted to make sure I didn't break anything 07:32:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:01 #92879 P121387 Crawl terminated. 07:35:07 must have been running for a while 07:37:54 -!- siepu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:41:27 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:42:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:45:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:24 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" 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ZZZzzz…] 14:15:35 !source mon-place.h 14:15:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.h 14:15:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:51 !source mon-pick-data.h 14:15:52 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h 14:16:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:23 So, I've heard a few people mention the lair spawn table, and how you can scum Lair for as much XP as you want because the top-tier threats are lindwums, fire crabs, and for some reason polar bears. Seems like there's room for improvement. 14:19:06 Option 1: add other animalesque things (manticores, harpies, even sphinxes; add fire, ice and even storm dragons; add wolf spiders and emperor scorpions). 14:20:48 Option 2: Add monsters from the lair branches, including slime (professional merfolk and nagas, wolf spiders, ghost moths, shambling mangroves, thorn hunters, death oozes, golden eyes, shining eyes). 14:21:11 Ideally adding things that are a genuine threat to characters who can clear lair and which aren't trivially avoided. 14:21:23 (so maybe not emperor scorpions) 14:22:25 Option 3: Start spawning large bands of the fast lair monsters -- black mamba bands, spiny frog bands, maybe anacondas or mana vipers with other snakes in a band.... That's probably not scary enough for most character to be actually threatened at this point tho. 14:27:11 -!- emikaela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:04 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:43 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:32:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:46:12 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:32 |amethyst: any idea what i need to have to run webtiles locally (ie, just connecting to localhost)? is it possible to do it on windows? 14:50:53 Lasty_: adding lair-themed oods (#1) sounds good; you'd have to make sure vaults don't depend on 8 and 9 topping out at lair:8 14:51:38 i wonder how much of an issue the scumming is really... or whether people might not just switch to orc 14:51:48 -!- serq has quit [Client Quit] 14:52:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:43 wheals: I was thinking that I'd add the super-OOD stuff at a very, very high depth such that they're unlikely to get placed by 089 vaults 14:55:27 well, if a lair end vault uses an 8 then it can reach up to lair:20 (or would except for the ood cap at 8) 14:55:44 at the same time, there's little reason it to use one, and if it does you can convert it to a 0 14:56:14 wheals: I'm not sure how much actual players scum that generation, but I don't like the idea that a character could hang out in Lair and fight mostly safe fights for an arbitrarily long time -- it means that players who want to are guaranteed to leave Lair with enough power to take on everything through Lair branches, which is already a bit of a problem IMO 14:56:34 wheals: OOD cap of 8? 14:56:48 ah, true 14:57:16 everywhere but D, depths, Crypt, and elf (i think?) caps the effective depth of monster gen to the branch length 14:57:34 partially because the tables generally don't go past the last level very coherently 14:57:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:52 make monsters globally faster as ood increases 14:58:38 about scumming, i was thinking that you could just move to lair branches, but i suppose the top-tier threats there are a whole lot stronger than lair's 14:58:47 yeah, they are 14:59:00 shock serpents and azure jellies are too much for all but the strongest Lair characters 14:59:31 well, in the case of shock serpents, just knowing OOD or Confuse would do it, but still 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:31 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:04:36 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 15:12:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:13:01 -!- n1001 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:07 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:15:10 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:15:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:22:48 wheals: webtiles is crawl outputing data to unix socket, python webserver (tornado) reading it and relaying to browsers 15:22:59 oh well 15:23:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:23:29 so not easily at least 15:23:48 I run a vm 15:26:05 i'll get around to setting up a dual boot one of these days 15:27:22 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28:05 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 15:28:40 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:45:34 -!- Vall has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:45:52 lol running make clean builds tilegen 15:46:00 our makefile is rather special 15:47:59 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48:46 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 15:49:43 -!- soad has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:52:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:45 yep 15:59:48 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:24 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:01:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:05:29 How to turn debug mode on? 16:09:52 !learn add robe_of_vines The +3 robe of vines {Regen++++++++}. It increases your health regen per second by 3.2. 16:09:52 robe of vines[1/1]: The +3 robe of vines {Regen++++++++}. It increases your health regen per second by 3.2. 16:10:24 how long is a second 16:16:45 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:46 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:25:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:38 Funny that even with +8 it isn't good enough to actually be worn: no resistances/AC/archmagi and cannot be easily swapped. 16:30:24 I disagree. 16:30:27 I would wear the robe. 16:31:50 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:31:59 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 16:32:26 !kw start 16:32:27 No keyword 'start' 16:32:29 !learn e robe_of_vines s/second/turn 16:32:29 robe of vines[1/1]: The +3 robe of vines {Regen++++++++}. It increases your health regen per turn by 3.2. 16:34:34 Xenobreeder, how many turns do you think a dangerous fight lasts? ime this robe gives much more effective HP than the amulet of vitality and that's without kiting at all 16:34:41 -!- n1001 is now known as nonethousand 16:34:44 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 16:34:44 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:31 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:40:03 n1001, how many turns do you need to survive to regen the damage done by one bolt of cold with rC0? Banishment? Paralyse? 16:40:48 ah, so robustness and regen are not good then 16:40:49 good to know 16:40:58 >cannot be easily swapped. 16:41:17 what does that have to do with anything 16:41:20 These one can and are good because of this. 16:41:23 usually my resistances/MR come from slots other than body armour 16:41:31 usually meaning >90% of games 16:41:33 this is just terrible reasoning 16:42:03 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:42:22 Why? Explain, please. Maybe I just don't understand. 16:42:34 if this robe prevents you from obtaining having MR and rC then at all then I agree, but of course it doesn't do that 16:43:32 it prevents me from having ac 16:43:32 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:43:34 how about that 16:43:43 that is at least true 16:43:49 I think the thing is that I'm thinking early to midgame. Lategame of course you can use it, because you already have your resistances... But it doesn't really matter then. 16:43:55 but people wearing robes have already accepted this 16:43:59 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44:12 that being said that's a lot of regen and it's a robe I might even consider wearing under some circumstances 16:44:19 it gives more AC than a robe. I've had dozens of characters wear robes all game so I don't think it's weak early/mid 16:44:26 including melee characters 16:44:34 yes, there are certainly chars that wear robes 16:44:54 I agree I'm not going to take a robe over good ac because of the regen, but resists are a non-issue 16:45:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:18 I don't get mr in the early game and rc is easy to find (or I don't get that either) 16:45:40 but I never go through early game struggling to find the slots to put my ac 16:45:44 s/ac/rC/ 16:46:59 !lg kvaak won x=avg(ac) 16:47:00 88 games for kvaak (won): avg(ac)=33.24 16:47:09 !lg kvaak won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 16:47:09 88 games for kvaak (won): avg(ac)=33.24; avg(ev)=39.05 16:47:14 yeah 16:47:51 ac fluctuates wildly depending on what you find 16:47:55 ev is always there 16:48:09 !lg . won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 16:48:10 33 games for gammafunk (won): avg(ac)=24.58; avg(ev)=24.52 16:48:19 just imagine pillar dancing with this thing 16:48:19 see those are the right numbers 16:48:25 !lg kvaak won /status=statue-form 16:48:26 0/88 games for kvaak (won): N=0/88 (0.00%) 16:48:38 that's not the right query 16:48:50 !lg kvaak won / status~~statue 16:48:51 0/88 games for kvaak (won): N=0/88 (0.00%) 16:48:53 !lg . won /status=statue-form 16:48:54 14/42 games for Xenobreeder (won): N=14/42 (33.33%) 16:48:55 Why? 16:48:59 you can't set it equal 16:49:00 since 16:49:04 !lg . won x=status 16:49:05 33. [status=icy armour,dragon-form,phasing,flying,very slightly contaminated,deflect missiles] gammafunk the Sensei (L27 OpTm of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-05-30 21:36:33, with 2264736 points after 72379 turns and 8:15:32. 16:49:08 it's a list 16:49:28 !lg . won / status~~statue 16:49:29 14/42 games for Xenobreeder (won): N=14/42 (33.33%) 16:49:34 It's the same. 16:49:50 it's the same if your ONLY status is statue 16:49:55 hrm 16:50:01 yeah 16:50:02 ah 16:50:08 Nope. I won with statue and rmsl/stoneskin at least. 16:50:10 maybe that's how xeno ascends 16:50:14 !lg Xenobreeder win status=statue-form s=status 16:50:15 14 games for Xenobreeder (win status=statue-form): mighty,brilliant,agile,statue-form,phasing,icy shield,stone skin,tornado,shrouded,flying (expiring),regenerating,deflect missiles, confusing touch (expiring),death's door,statue-form,silence,stone skin,shrouded,flying,regenerating,studying Shields,deflect missiles, stone skin,tornado,flying (expiring),very slightly contaminated,regenerating,deflec... 16:50:22 qed 16:50:29 yeah that's weird, why it working like that 16:50:37 greensn ark made Sequell too smart :P 16:50:43 apparently he did 16:50:44 !lg . won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 16:50:45 9 games for ProzacElf (won): avg(ac)=46.22; avg(ev)=22.67 16:50:47 other fields don't work like this 16:50:55 heh, my guys are obviously skewed toward high ac 16:51:15 maybe all fields that are lists work this way 16:51:21 it's not a special status thing 16:51:30 actually status might be the only one so it could make sense 16:51:42 !lg . x=kpath 16:51:43 3336. [kpath=] gammafunk the Severer (L11 MiBe of Trog), slain by a 12-headed hydra on Lair:3 on 2015-09-30 05:59:39, with 9410 points after 3481 turns and 0:25:50. 16:51:53 !lg . kpath!= x=kpath 16:51:54 83. [kpath=summoned by a shadow trap:triggered by a sheep] gammafunk the Severer (L9 MiBe of Trog), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 mace) (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by a sheep)) on D:8 on 2015-09-30 05:30:45, with 2964 points after 2004 turns and 0:15:59. 16:52:21 !lg . kpath=triggered_by_a_sheep 16:52:22 No games for gammafunk (kpath=triggered_by_a_sheep). 16:52:31 !lg . kpath=summoned_by_a_shadow_trap:triggered_by_a_sheep 16:52:32 1. gammafunk the Severer (L9 MiBe of Trog), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 mace) (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by a sheep)) on D:8 on 2015-09-30 05:30:45, with 2964 points after 2004 turns and 0:15:59. 16:52:37 ah well 16:52:42 damn sheepses 16:53:29 anyhow yeah of course you'll think about wearing that robe if you're a robe-wearing char, it's just that those are a minority of chars 16:54:37 !lg devteamnp won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) s=name 16:54:39 1659 games for devteamnp (won): 464x 78291 [5.67, 6.34], 283x elliptic [15.53, 16.72], 121x MarvinPA [10.61, 7.61], 114x Lasty [30.3, 30.15], 93x Medar [26.41, 20.08], 70x itsmu [2.59, 2.73], 62x evilmike [0, 0], 58x rob [0, 0], 50x pointless [0, 0], 41x SGrunt [19.73, 27.49], 38x doy [5.84, 5.21], 37x PleasingFungus [35.95, 32.16], 33x gammafunk [24.58, 24.52], 31x dpeg [13.16, 12.61], 26x sorear... 16:55:12 wow, what 16:55:13 What. 16:55:19 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55:25 elliptic and his spens?! 16:55:36 !lg elliptic won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 16:55:37 606 games for elliptic (won): avg(ac)=8.26; avg(ev)=8.88 16:55:40 dang 16:56:06 That doesn't look veritable. 16:56:15 well he does a lot of spens 16:56:18 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:21 !lg elliptic won s=char 16:56:22 !lg elliptic won min=ev x=ev 16:56:22 606 games for elliptic (won): 20x SpEn, 5x DDCK, 4x MiBe, 4x DDBe, 3x DrIE, 3x DsEE, 3x DDAM, 3x SpHe, 3x TeIE, 3x MiAM, 3x DEFE, 3x SpDK, 3x NaHe, 3x TeAr, 3x DsIE, 3x DECj, 2x MuSu, 2x OpAM, 2x DDWz, 2x DDEE, 2x KoFE, 2x DDCr, 2x TeHe, 2x HOEn, 2x VpGl, 2x GhAE, 2x DEGl, 2x DrFi, 2x DsCr, 2x MfWr, 2x DrAE, 2x CeHe, 2x GhEE, 2x VpSu, 2x NaEn, 2x DESk, 2x KoSt, 2x MuCK, 2x GhMo, 2x MuHu, 2x DDAs, ... 16:56:23 606. [ev=0] elliptic the Executioner (L23 MDCK of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2009-08-02 00:08:16, with 2104339 points after 70854 turns and 7:47:03. 16:56:25 see 16:56:30 those are skewing it 16:56:52 !lg elliptic won s=ev 16:56:53 606 games for elliptic (won): 452x 0, 9x 35, 9x 32, 9x 36, 8x 31, 8x 40, 8x 41, 7x 24, 7x 27, 6x 42, 6x 37, 6x 46, 5x 29, 5x 45, 4x 26, 4x 47, 4x 33, 4x 34, 3x 28, 3x 22, 3x 23, 3x 21, 3x 53, 2x 30, 2x 19, 2x 48, 2x 49, 2x 17, 2x 50, 2x 18, 2x 38, 2x 25, 2x 39, 44, 57, 15, 14, 52, 43, 56, 59, 55, 20 16:57:13 all-ac or all-ev, that's our elliptic 16:57:38 heh 16:57:42 !lg elliptic won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) recent 16:57:43 69 games for elliptic (won recent): avg(ac)=33.36; avg(ev)=34.41 16:57:52 ah could be in fact something about old games 16:57:54 and the fields 16:57:56 most of those were zeros 16:57:57 yes 16:58:17 I need to learn to play all-EV. My characters that try this usually die horribly. 16:58:18 there's a kw for games since defenses were tracked, or you should include ac>0 16:58:22 there's probably a kw for yes 16:58:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:58:57 yeah hadn't realized it was a thing that wasn't always tracked, should have realized 16:59:04 !lg elliptic win ac>0 x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 16:59:05 154 games for elliptic (win ac>0): avg(ac)=32.51; avg(ev)=34.95 16:59:25 !lg devteamnp won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) ac>0 s=name 16:59:26 613 games for devteamnp (won ac>0): 136x elliptic [32.32, 34.79], 113x Lasty [30.57, 30.09], 78x 78291 [33.74, 37.71], 66x Medar [37.21, 28.29], 39x MarvinPA [32.92, 23.62], 37x PleasingFungus [35.95, 32.16], 30x SGrunt [26.97, 37.57], 28x gammafunk [28.96, 28.89], 23x wheals [35.7, 32], 14x dpeg [29.14, 27.93], 10x bh [37.9, 28.2], 8x Sage [37.75, 30.25], 8x itsmu [22.62, 23.88], 8x doy [27.75, 2... 16:59:57 This is more like it. 17:00:01 that's not quite right since I think all my wins were probably tracked 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:06 !lg . won ac=0 17:00:07 5. gammafunk the Englaciator (L27 VpIE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-01-26 02:24:41, with 9153011 points after 187141 turns and 1d+6:12:40. 17:00:11 !lg devteamnp won defstats x=avg(ac),avg(ev) s=name o=avg(ac) 17:00:13 603 games for devteamnp (won defstats): felirx [62, 28], 2x reaver [49, 41.5], 3x KiloByte [46.67, 30], neil [44, 13], 10x bh [37.9, 28.2], 64x Medar [37.47, 28.02], 5x Sage [37.4, 29.6], 37x PleasingFungus [35.95, 32.16], 23x wheals [35.7, 32], 75x 78291 [34.27, 37.69], 39x MarvinPA [32.92, 23.62], 134x elliptic [32.57, 34.82], 114x Lasty [30.3, 30.15], 7x ontoclasm [29.86, 29.71], 14x dpeg [29.1... 17:00:34 !kw defstats 17:00:35 Keyword: defstats => cv>=0.12 17:00:46 yeah that vpie just had ac=0 17:00:51 !lg . vpie won x=ac,ev 17:00:52 1. [ac=0;ev=0] gammafunk the Englaciator (L27 VpIE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-01-26 02:24:41, with 9153011 points after 187141 turns and 1d+6:12:40. 17:00:56 oh hrm 17:00:58 Really? 17:01:05 was that really 0.11 17:01:11 !lg . vpie won x=ac,ev x=cv 17:01:12 1. [cv=0.12-a;ac=0;ev=0] gammafunk the Englaciator (L27 VpIE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-01-26 02:24:41, with 9153011 points after 187141 turns and 1d+6:12:40. 17:01:15 ah 17:01:29 yeah thought it was 0.12..just the alpha 17:02:00 before vlong was added 17:02:14 oh those were added same time as stat tracking? 17:02:16 s/those/that/ 17:02:22 and *was 17:03:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:04:48 no, stats have been around forever 17:04:59 but not the defensive stats 17:05:06 well I mean defensive ones, yeah 17:05:09 er 17:05:13 you mean vlong 17:05:24 !lg * 1 vlong x=vlong 17:05:32 yeah, was asking if vlong and defenseive stats were added same time 17:05:32 1/1408650. [vlong=0.15-a0-481-g5350d32] Rage the Basher (L14 OgFi of Trog), slain by a harpy on Shoals:1 on 2014-05-07 22:39:35, with 41619 points after 7900 turns and 0:57:52. 17:05:40 not even close 17:05:40 ah vlong was much later 17:05:45 !lg * min=vlong 17:05:49 4698083. Eidolos the Magician (L1 OMWz), slain by a gnoll (a flail of protection) on D:1 on 2006-12-02 23:47:10, with 20 points after 15 turns and 0:00:04. 17:05:55 !lg * vlong min=vlong x=vlong 17:05:59 1408650. [vlong=0.15-a0-435-gcc1328a] FishServ the Wrestler (L27 GrMo of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-08 10:03:00, with 1482579 points after 88142 turns and 17:49:05. 17:06:19 Was it intentional in 0.14 that Zot almost guaranteed a cloak of preservation? 17:07:08 (and probably before 0.14, don't know when it was added) 17:07:33 cloak of pres? it's been around a long time 17:07:39 actually I forget 17:07:54 %git HEAD^{/Destroy item} 17:07:54 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-1116-g4412034: Destroy item destruction 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 14 files, 32+ 260-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4412034ca0e5 17:07:57 I mean that it had a high chance of dropping from draconians. 17:08:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:51 I don't know that the chance changed in 0.14 though; I think it was purely "give them cloaks" way back when 17:09:29 as in give them cloaks for no particular reason, hence there's a chance for ego cloaks; perhaps someone was thinking of late-game ego cloaks though 17:10:02 mon gear decisions are usually pretty arbitrary and we've had to normalize things here and there over time 17:10:31 MPA and someone else went through and reduced the number of monsters dropping demon weapon quite some time ago, I recall 17:11:00 also non-classed draconians were changed to not have cloaks 17:11:06 they all got cloaks because player dracs couldn't wear robes any more (and then the number of them that actually got cloaks was reduced because it was silly) 17:11:08 i think before then there'd been no change 17:11:22 oh right, so between ~0.8 and ~0.15 17:11:59 so in answer to the question, "no" 17:12:20 Thank you. 17:15:00 .gfgk 17:15:01 43. b00bs the Warrior (L19 DsWn of Okawaru), blasted by an octopode crusher (iron shot) on Depths:2 (gammafunk_depths_water_palace) on 2015-09-30 04:05:47, with 285704 points after 54338 turns and 5:06:56. 17:15:24 wheals: Have you ever even taken down such an offensive person? I'm doing all the hard work here 17:15:39 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:39 a double-gammafunk kill right there 17:15:41 hahaha 17:16:11 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~hitler kmap~~gammafunk 17:16:13 No games for * (name~~hitler kmap~~gammafunk). 17:16:22 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~hitler s=kmap 17:16:23 509 games for * (name~~hitler): 447x, 7x uniq_grinder, 4x uniq_terence, 4x uniq_duvessa, 3x uniq_sigmund, 3x uniq_iyjb, 2x onia_arrival_larder, 2x uniq_edmund, 2x uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage, 2x elf_hall, 2x uniq_erolcha, 2x uniq_menkaure, minmay_vboxes, uniq_prince_ribbit1, uniq_maud, layout_roguey; special_room_bee, st_orc_ogre_mass, david_orc_4, erik_orc_3, uniq_jessica, lightli_church_of_beogh, er... 17:16:45 are all those david_ vaults dpeg's early contributions? 17:17:02 I see snark mentioning david in early commits and I assume that's who he means. 17:17:37 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:19:30 <|amethyst> I presume 17:20:37 There was a vault snark commented on as edited by david, oh right 17:21:19 # Alternative elf halls: gauntlets (David) (re: elf_hall_gauntlet_wide) 17:21:24 I'll have to ask him for confirmation 17:22:04 Final thing before I stop the useless chatter: has anyone been thinking about tournament/release? We don't have a lot of outstanding things left that I'm aware of, release-wise 17:22:25 Maybe MPA wants to fix G shop placement, some PRs we might get merged 17:23:15 But we have to think of any new banners/tournament changes since elliptic only has time to maybe run the scripts or (probably preferably) show someone else how to with at least a week's notice 17:23:28 <|amethyst> there are several bugs that maybe should be fixed 17:23:33 not sure i'll get around to finishing a more complex fix for shops, could just have them always place at your feet in the meantime though maybe 17:23:45 <|amethyst> e.g. SpFi starting with spears 17:24:19 <|amethyst> Error, exp for monster with no damage on suiciding ball lightnings 17:24:20 |amethyst: can we mark those in mantis as such, or is that not useful to do? 17:24:39 yeah that one is important, also related to amalloy's attempted fix 17:24:41 <|amethyst> could change the severity to "block" for any you think must be solved 17:24:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think the ball lightning thing might be different actually 17:25:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: or only tangentially related 17:25:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the problem is that somehow the kill is being credited to you (hence calculating XP), despite you never having damaged the monster 17:25:46 oh, and these are hostile? 17:25:49 <|amethyst> gammafunk: s/you/no one/ 17:25:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: not sure about that 17:26:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think it probably is something that was exposed by allowing them to be worth XP 17:26:36 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure we'd necessarily want exploding monsters to be required to be no-XP 17:26:51 <|amethyst> marking them as no-XP would "fix" it though 17:27:08 it's hard for me to see how they should be worth xp 17:27:31 <|amethyst> I guess those aren't monsters you're expected to kill or even damage 17:28:04 certainly you'd used range to explode them like with spores, when those placed 17:28:28 <|amethyst> well, using ranged to one-shot a kobold before it becomes a threat gives XP 17:28:42 -!- serq has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:44 <|amethyst> despite being just as trivial as doing the same to a spore 17:29:11 <|amethyst> s/just/nearly/ # you have to do more than 1 damage I guess 17:29:20 kobold doesn't have '1hp' yeah 17:29:31 <|amethyst> @??ball lightning 17:29:31 ball lightning (11*) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 11non-living, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 752 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 17:29:49 <|amethyst> @??giant spore 17:29:49 giant spore (03*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1 | 03plant, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 17:30:03 <|amethyst> not sure why they need HD:12 17:30:14 <|amethyst> @??ball lightning hd:1 17:30:14 ball lightning (11*) | Spd: 20 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 11non-living, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 4 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 17:30:18 hrm, dam: 5? I guess that's unused? 17:30:37 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:52 <|amethyst> I think maybe they need an attack to be able to explode without being hit 17:30:59 <|amethyst> but then dam:1 would work just as well 17:31:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:32:36 <|amethyst> oh, another bug we probably want to fix (I just updated it to Pri: urgent, Sev: block) 17:32:39 <|amethyst> !bug 9976 17:32:39 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9976 17:34:26 thanks for updating those 17:35:25 <|amethyst> I'll see if I can make some time soon to go through and do bug triage and/or squashing 17:35:40 I'll try to corral some people into going through the banners at some point in the couple days, that'd be proactive. Then maybe when it's clear what tourney changes we might want, I can ask about the scripts and we can set a date 17:36:37 <|amethyst> the scripts are all on CSZO, but I don't know what needs to be done to prep for a new year (new database? update a config file? definitely the directory would need to be copied) 17:37:21 <|amethyst> well, there is a README, maybe that's helpful 17:37:57 oh I can probably look at them now 17:37:57 <|amethyst> ~tourney/dcss_tourney/ on CSZO, which is a checkout of https://github.com/elliptic/dcss_tourney.git 17:38:03 ah even easier 17:38:08 <|amethyst> (but has all the data files from the past several tournaments) 17:38:55 <|amethyst> I *think* the old database just gets dropped and recreated, but not sure if elliptic backs up the old contents anywhere 17:40:33 Oooh 17:40:36 Tournament time :D 17:40:50 Further details are in https://github.com/elliptic/dcss_tourney/blob/master/tourney-guide.txt 17:40:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:40:58 well a checklist anyhow, which is helpful 17:43:12 Add names of players to BAD_NAMERS in teams.py if they choose offensive 17:43:12 clan names. This sets their team name to the default team name 17:43:12 "Team player_name" 17:43:21 Has that ever happened? 17:45:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:56 <|amethyst> apparently 17:47:38 <|amethyst> &rcfile robotrandy 17:47:49 &rc robotrandy 17:47:51 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/RobotRandy.rc 17:48:16 <|amethyst> oh 17:48:20 <|amethyst> yeah, I can see why 17:48:28 Rofl. 17:48:37 Is there a list i can see of all people on the bad_namers list? 17:48:53 <|amethyst> that's the only one 17:48:58 Oh :D 17:49:14 <|amethyst> the server announce bots also have a list of regexes of names they won't announce 17:49:22 <|amethyst> but that only affects IRC 17:49:37 <|amethyst> we tend not to publish those, because then it becomes a checklist 17:49:45 <|amethyst> "make sure your offensive name doesn't match any of these" 17:50:50 <|amethyst> but among the lines are .*hitler.* .*fatandgay.* .*nigg(er|a).* cunt.* 17:51:04 fatandgay 17:51:07 I like the and the most. 17:51:14 <_miek> .*dickylongcocking.* 17:51:37 <|amethyst> well, I don't want to mark everything with the word "gay" in it as offensive 17:51:46 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~fatandgay 17:51:54 32. FATANDGAY4PAY2DAY the Ruinous (L4 HEFE of Vehumet), slain by Duvessa (a +2,+2 elven short sword of venom) on D:4 on 2013-01-08 13:42:41, with 296 points after 3046 turns and 0:07:26. 17:52:14 What a weird name. 17:52:16 <|amethyst> maybe I should have picked .*gay4pay.* as the regex instead 17:52:18 It's not even witty. 17:52:47 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~cumgolem 17:52:54 715. cumgolem the Grappler (L8 TrMo of Makhleb), slain by Duph's ghost on D:8 on 2013-02-24 05:28:32, with 2268 points after 4597 turns and 0:12:24. 17:53:00 |amethyst: anticipating the scunthorpe problem, i see 17:53:27 <|amethyst> amalloy: heh... probably shouldn't worry about it, since thepenismightier would be banned 17:53:34 <|amethyst> and dicknixon 17:54:10 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~.+cunt.* 17:54:12 19. ThunderCunt the Skirmisher (L4 MiBe of Trog), slain by a giant gecko on D:2 on 2015-05-13 17:47:31, with 69 points after 730 turns and 0:09:09. 17:54:15 <|amethyst> hm 17:54:22 cumgolem is banned? 17:54:24 <|amethyst> maybe I should reconsider after all 17:54:27 But fleshgolem is fine? :p 17:54:44 oh yeah, i remember seeing announcements for thundercunt 17:54:51 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~.+cunt.* s=name 17:54:51 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 17:54:52 19 games for * (name~~.+cunt.*): 9x MCcunt, 7x ThunderCunt, GodlessCunt, AnalCunt, somecunt 17:55:04 <|amethyst> I guess I'll just list the substring after all 17:55:06 AnalCunt. Isn't that a really awful band? 17:55:29 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:41 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:01 <|amethyst> badge: flesh golem is just Frankenstein's monster 17:56:56 But it is an innuendo. :p 17:57:29 FR remove cigo's fleshworks 17:57:41 Is that what he called it, |amethyst? :p 17:57:55 <|amethyst> no, that's what D&D calls it 17:58:29 <|amethyst> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/golem/golem-flesh 17:58:36 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:47 <|amethyst> (granted, that is Pathfinder, not D&D) 17:59:23 Do you like flesh golems? 17:59:43 I wonder if the fatandgay gentleman would have approved of the monster. :p 17:59:47 <|amethyst> no, they keep leaking all over the basement 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:18 Haha. 18:03:08 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1945-gfe993df (34) 18:03:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:59 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:45 |amethyst: that's why you neet containment units while you're making them 18:06:57 <|amethyst> I failed to follow the SCP 18:08:07 well there's you're problem 18:08:21 <|amethyst> their it is 18:08:32 you probably got hit by this guy: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1292498/scp-2521 18:08:45 oops 18:08:46 http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2521 18:08:51 he even hit me! 18:09:59 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:44 and also, way to ungrammar me when i screwed up there =p 18:14:52 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:52 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20:48 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:33:33 -!- Stendhal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44:06 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:44:37 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:51:20 -!- demigod is now known as Guest35602 18:54:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:25 wtf is -foe acc 18:58:11 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:09 -!- badge has quit [] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:05 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:22 hypractvChipmunk: isn't it what it sounds like? reduced foe accuracy 19:01:22 how is that different than +ev? 19:02:01 that i don't know 19:02:37 IIRC it works on a different part of the equation 19:02:43 ah, found it 19:03:00 it has no effect when you're invisible 19:03:27 and adds to a different thing, like Lasty says 19:07:21 -!- Wolfe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:08:47 amalloy: i agree with your grammar fix, will do 19:14:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:15:04 gammafunk: I'm planning to do a big revamp of the tourney html styles, which will take a week 19:15:30 I also put my hand up to run a crawl player survey concurrently with the tournament 19:17:34 chequers: survey question 1: what questions go on a player survey? 19:20:08 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:21:19 same as last one, so we can do trends over time 19:21:37 https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/dcss-survey-results-2012 19:22:55 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:24:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:18 really should be a way to automatically invoke the footv playback from a learndb entry directly 19:26:35 <_miek> it should be possible 19:27:03 learn2tv 19:27:24 !learn2tv I guess 19:27:33 “0.13 will disclose monster spells to players.” a glimpse into the dark and unbelievable past 19:27:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 19:28:14 that's more unbelievable than "item destruction and item weight existed"?! 19:29:13 well, except i actually played in the world you describe 19:29:23 honestly contam chunks in 0.12 are worse than anything in that version other than item dest/weight 19:29:27 so the other one is inherently and objectively weirder 19:29:49 I think that's subjectively weirder 19:29:50 -!- kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:08 but I'm glad we have monster spell descriptions all the same 19:30:26 i love that 19:30:36 they didn't have that when i played before 19:30:42 no summon caps, contam chunks, item dest/weight, hrm can't remember the other bad things 19:30:48 that were really bad, that is 19:31:12 I played a lot of 0.12, so I should remember 19:31:14 !lg . s=cv 19:31:15 3336 games for gammafunk: 725x 0.15, 494x 0.16, 470x 0.12, 335x 0.16-a, 245x 0.13-a, 235x 0.12-a, 199x 0.15-a, 159x 0.13, 146x 0.17-a, 130x 0.14, 106x 0.14-a, 63x 0.11, 16x 0.10, 13x 0.11-a 19:31:28 oh I did play more of later ones, but still 19:32:00 !lg . cv=0.10 19:32:02 16. gammafunk the Blocker (L17 HEFi of Okawaru), quit the game on Vaults:4 on 2012-06-09 08:06:47, with 160629 points after 84137 turns and 11:22:32. 19:32:14 lol 19:32:21 mmmm, old vaults 19:32:23 so ez 19:32:30 !lg gammafunk ragequit 19:32:32 178. gammafunk the Executioner (L14 MiBe of Trog), quit the game on Lair:5 on 2015-09-14 08:01:50, with 70779 points after 8962 turns and 1:06:39. 19:32:44 !hs * place=d:1 19:32:47 1259660. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34. 19:32:53 there is no more accomplished quitter 19:33:01 well there is in terms of number of quits 19:33:02 well, that one's clearly contrived 19:33:03 I go for style 19:33:15 not *exactly* 19:33:18 !hs * he-- -2 19:33:20 224216/224217. PurpleRed the Archmage (L27 HEFE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-12-06 11:45:57, with 29901737 points after 49425 turns and 22:07:26. 19:33:28 that was the score I was trying to beat at the time 19:33:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:40 not the turn difference; I just missed it 19:33:46 ah 19:33:49 silly lemuel vault in zot tripped me up 19:34:04 still contrived, but I had at least failed at something 19:34:07 that's a remarkable quit, gammafunk 19:34:30 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:34:38 if I'd just taken that hatch, I'd have the HE score back (until PR improved his record a while later, that is) 19:34:39 yeah, at least it wasn't "i'm gonna quit just so i can flaunt the fact that i quit two steps from the exit" 19:35:02 it was that awful lemuel vault with a million 0 19:35:08 and all three downstairs 19:35:14 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:36:26 that describes so many zot vaults 19:37:36 lotta zot vaults with fodder, some very shocking fodder.... 19:40:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:48:32 -!- kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:51 !lg * thisyear quit s=name 19:51:53 63008 games for * (thisyear quit): 2422x petzl, 814x knot, 785x sanka, 638x pigah, 526x Chiseanne, 517x Duffy, 507x mauris, 507x AF4363, 471x gogigo, 462x ooparts, 425x piyakE, 388x ihatethisgame, 385x nasa, 384x klsh78012, 354x Meow, 354x Torax, 352x cmdexe, 344x tlatlagkaus, 327x DeepRed, 324x Dynast, 321x gammafunk, 306x MrJones, 299x Oroborous, 287x Herrn, 286x LogicNinja, 284x ythm, 281x Mise... 19:52:03 !lg petzl thisyear quit s=name s=char 19:52:03 Too many grouping terms (extra: s=char) 19:52:08 !lg petzl thisyear quit s=char 19:52:09 2422 games for petzl (thisyear quit): 1751x DgWn, 665x OpWn, 5x VSWn, DrWn 19:52:22 gotta get that perfect starting setup 19:52:27 !hs petzl dhwn 19:52:28 No keyword 'dhwn' 19:52:29 !hs petzl dgwn 19:52:30 2405. petzl the Farming Conqueror (L27 DgWn), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-06-22 14:18:37, with 8878416 points after 205541 turns and 1d+15:46:15. 19:52:42 !hs petzl dgwn -log 19:52:42 2405. petzl, XL27 DgWn, T:205541: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/petzl/morgue-petzl-20150622-141837.txt 19:52:57 why? 19:54:17 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:43 is it just startscumming? 19:54:53 probably 19:55:10 !lg petzl dgwn quit s=turn 19:55:10 i guess you'd have to be to have that many for "thisyear" 19:55:11 2244 games for petzl (dgwn quit): 2215x 0, 11x 1, 4x 2, 2x 8, 2x 5, 2x 12, 2x 13, 9, 10, 3113, 4, 7, 1294 19:55:17 lol 19:55:18 wow 19:55:24 wonder if it was scripted 19:55:40 wouldn't doubt it 19:55:41 !lg petzl dgwn quit turn=0 s=day(start) -graph 19:55:42 2215 games for petzl (dgwn quit turn=0): https://shalott.org/graphs/31a9ec5429bbcc17d94b6cabdc1b7a201c3f1b2f.html 19:55:54 i have less games than that over the last 3 years 19:55:56 looks like not 19:56:02 almost 3 years anyway 19:56:13 !lg petzl dgwn quit turn=0 start=20150419 19:56:14 No games for petzl (dgwn quit turn=0 start=20150419). 19:56:26 !lg petzl dgwn quit turn=0 start>201504190000 start<201504192359 19:56:27 ERROR: invalid input syntax for type timestamp: "201504190000" 19:56:30 bah 19:57:28 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:58:53 -!- rax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:04:06 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:50 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:09:37 !lg petzl quit turn=0 start>2015-05-19 start<2015-05-20 20:09:38 6. petzl the Chopper (L1 DgWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_simpleton_b) on 2015-05-19 14:17:14, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:02. 20:10:20 !lg petzl quit turn=0 start>"2015-05-19 00:00:00" start<"2015-05-20 00:00:00" 20:10:21 6. petzl the Chopper (L1 DgWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_simpleton_b) on 2015-05-19 14:17:14, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:02. 20:10:29 chequers: ^ 20:11:07 not sure why it doesn't accept that other date format when it prints both 20:11:17 hm so why is there a peak of 219 on the graph link above for that day 20:11:20 !lg petzl quit turn=0 start>"2015-05-19 00:00:00" start<"2015-05-20 00:00:00" x=start 20:11:21 6. [start=2015-05-19 14:17:12 [20150419141712S]] petzl the Chopper (L1 DgWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_simpleton_b) on 2015-05-19 14:17:14, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:02. 20:11:32 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1k 20:11:50 !lg petzl quit turn=0 start>2015-05-18 start<2015-05-21 20:11:51 6. petzl the Chopper (L1 DgWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_simpleton_b) on 2015-05-19 14:17:14, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:02. 20:12:02 oh well I did may 20:12:05 oh 20:12:13 !lg petzl quit turn=0 start>2015-04-19 start<2015-04-20 20:12:13 184. petzl the Digger (L1 DgWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_chase) on 2015-04-19 17:26:04, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:00. 20:12:29 !lg petzl quit turn=0 start>2015-04-19 start<2015-04-20 s=start -graph 20:12:30 184 games for petzl (quit turn=0 start>2015-04-19 start<2015-04-20): https://shalott.org/graphs/321aed0664373497f39e20c8ed43c5f0df4bdc2b.html 20:12:33 the contiguous string is weird since the month is 0-based 20:12:46 but it doesn't let you use that anyhow 20:12:53 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:56 i missed the S, that might help 20:13:03 that doesn't seem to work either 20:13:16 !hs petzl dgwn 20:13:16 2405. petzl the Farming Conqueror (L27 DgWn), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-06-22 14:18:37, with 8878416 points after 205541 turns and 1d+15:46:15. 20:13:18 ??listgame 20:13:18 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 20:13:22 but yeah those values are used by webtiles internally a lot 20:13:33 well I guess by crawl itself as well 20:13:48 date2int I guess 20:13:55 !hs petzl dgwn -tv:T1 20:13:56 2405. petzl, XL27 DgWn, T:205541 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 20:14:33 oh ok, so he was scumming for a good skill start 20:14:52 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:24 !hs petzl dgwn -tv:T1x0.1>T5 20:15:24 Bad seek argument for seek-back: t1x0.1>t5 (T or number expected) 20:15:35 !hs petzl dgwn -tv:T1x0.1 20:15:35 Bad seek argument for seek-back: t1x0.1 (T or number expected) 20:15:49 !hs petzl dgwn -tv:T1:x0.1 20:15:50 2405. petzl, XL27 DgWn, T:205541 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 20:17:12 so he basically wanted like an En start 20:17:19 *they 20:17:59 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:15 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:20:26 amalloy: Medar: what do you think of the new text 20:20:37 link? 20:21:06 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/122 * 0.17-a0-1943-g2ff10a6: Show your skill for shields (like weapons). 10(35 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ff10a6e889d 20:23:27 chequers: doesn't the number displayed include your average shield delay? "but will be slowed" suggests very strongly that the actual speed will be lower than the speed delayed, as in "here is your speed, but it will be even lower because you are bad at shields" 20:23:29 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:23:43 er, switch that last "delayed" for "displayed" 20:25:14 i'd switch "but" for "and", and "will be" for "is": in both cases the current phrase sounds like it's not being taken into consideration by the delay 20:27:00 -!- PKrockin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27:27 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:14 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:29:20 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30:48 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:48 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 20:30:48 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:52 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:33:24 -!- n1001 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:06 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:37 it's not 20:35:10 currently when you're at mindelay weapon skill but shield skill is 0, the line says the same thing as if you had no shield 20:35:39 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:47 -!- n1001 is now known as n1k 20:35:48 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 20:35:48 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:59 having some problems? 20:38:55 -!- rj54x has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:10 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:29 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:44:51 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:15 -!- n1k is now known as Guest96783 20:45:46 -!- Guest96783 is now known as nonethousand 20:45:48 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 20:45:48 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:04 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:49 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:08 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:27 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:23:05 -!- Guest35602 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:26:02 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:19 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:09 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:43 -!- kazak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:44:02 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:46:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:06 -!- Wolfe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:57:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:19 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:25 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:01:46 -!- BanquosGhost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:01:53 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:03:10 demonic guardian appears with nothing in sight 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9985 by silentsnack 22:04:15 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:32 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1946-gfb768fe: Cleaning up no device heal and giving it to robe of vines 10(25 seconds ago, 7 files, 38+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fb768fe832d9 22:05:17 !learn edit robe_of_vines The +5 robe of vines {DeviceHeal- Regen++++++++++}. Gives +4 hp/turn regen but removes device healing. 22:05:18 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 22:05:26 !learn set robe_of_vines The +5 robe of vines {DeviceHeal- Regen++++++++++}. Gives +4 hp/turn regen but removes device healing. 22:05:27 robe of vines[1/1]: The +5 robe of vines {DeviceHeal- Regen++++++++++}. Gives +4 hp/turn regen but removes device healing. 22:07:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:10:22 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:19:37 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:03 that is an inscription 22:20:46 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:21:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:24 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:15 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 22:26:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Can also be seen occasionally in the Abyss, {holy pan}, Zig holy levels and in a couple of vaults. Spells: Smiting, smiting, smiting. 23:04:22 yea 23:06:24 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:09:26 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:10:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:30 and it throws giant spiked clubs 23:11:36 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:13:58 highlander class would obviously throw giant spiked clubs 23:24:40 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:16 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:28:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:37 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:30:22 maybe "device healing" should just be called "healing" 23:30:30 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:32 then the robe can be Heal- Regen++ 23:30:39 chequers, presumably god healing is still allowed 23:31:03 right, but I think that still makes sense even if you call pots/wands "Healing" 23:32:25 you can still be touched by the hand of god, even through your equipment 23:32:56 there's an easy catholic priest joke in there if anyone wants it 23:33:23 <|amethyst> I think Heal- is bad as long as the regen mutation is called "slow healing", and perhaps even if not 23:33:53 <|amethyst> If I see Heal- I assume that means "I can't heal", not "I can't use items with Heal in the name" 23:34:22 if I do this would you merge it: git checkout master git checkout -b slow-healing-rename sed -i'' -e 's/slow healing/slow regeneration/' *.cc 23:34:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:35:17 DHeal 23:35:23 |amethyst: Heal- sounds to me like "amount of healing is reduced", as in rF-, not "can't heal" as in -Cast 23:35:33 <|amethyst> oh, right 23:35:46 one could make the argument that it's not wise to have two things use the same keyword that have similar but ultimately distinct sets of mechanics 23:36:25 DVice- 23:36:27 <|amethyst> so we shouldn't use "attack" for both ranged and melee attacks? 23:36:27 hypractvChipmunk: are there any such things now? 23:36:36 healing and slow healing 23:36:43 <|amethyst> "healing" means "increasing your HP" 23:36:54 or does it???? 23:36:59 i guess it does 23:37:14 maybe 'suppressed healing' 23:37:55 i don't know what "suppressed healing" would mean 23:38:03 can i not heal naturally? not heal with wands? 23:38:05 <|amethyst> renaming slow healing to slow regeneration wouldn't be terrible, but it would need more than that sed 23:38:33 literally going to run those commands 23:38:39 and submit in a PR 23:39:40 i would make the distinction along the lines of '[health] recovery' vs. 'healing' or some such 23:39:59 which is kinda where it's at now 23:40:46 just 'device' seems too specific a term for increasing hitpoints outside natural HP recovery 23:41:11 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:41:31 device refers to item since god healing still works with DeviceHeal- 23:41:31 hypractvChipmunk: i disagree. it applies specifically to devices: wands and potions. it does not apply to any other non-natural HP recovery, such as elyvilon, regen spell, trog's hand, makhleb... 23:41:31 <|amethyst> but it's not about increasing hp outside natural HP recovery, it's about increasing HP with potions and wands (and maybe cards?) 23:41:33 yeah, it conveys non-natural, but when i see it i think "okay i can't heal with wands" 23:42:09 <|amethyst> I could see the argument that "Device" doesn't convey "potion" 23:42:18 potions aren't devices in even the most broad-minded application of the language 23:42:23 <|amethyst> "-ItemHeal" (and likewise for VS) 23:42:33 that's good 23:43:04 <|amethyst> (does no device heal prevent healing from cards, btw? because it should) 23:43:13 do we call stuff items elsewhere? 23:43:29 i guess we do 23:43:39 |amethyst: yep "device = potion" is my big problem 23:44:03 i do agree that device=potion is awkward and confusing, although imo not strictly wrong 23:44:06 <|amethyst> all over the place, but I don't know about in-character 23:44:15 |amethyst: even in character, i think 23:44:20 press V while carrying no evocables 23:44:24 unfortunately we don't have any standard notation besides '-' to use there, to denote complete suppression 23:44:32 like xItemHeal 23:44:36 or ?/s apport 23:44:44 ItemHeal_ 23:44:48 -!- Wolfe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:44:58 hypractvChipmunk: we do. -x for complete removal, x- for reduction 23:45:04 ah 23:45:09 <|amethyst> -Cast -Tele etc 23:45:09 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:49 oh yeah 23:45:52 !source you.skill 23:45:53 Can't find you.skill. 23:46:04 <|amethyst> !source player::skill 23:46:05 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l5801 23:46:10 !source player:: you beat me 23:46:11 Can't find player:: you beat me. 23:46:20 no, i'd argue that it's strictly wrong in the sense that there's no way to expand the concept of 'device' in natural language in a way that wouldn't also encompass things like god healing 23:47:02 ^to include potions 23:47:18 hypractvChipmunk: first definition for device on google: a thing made or adapted for a particular purpose 23:47:42 ok we get it, technically correct, whatever 23:47:47 it's a terrible argument even if it's right 23:48:56 chequers: i agree it is confusing and could use a change. i'm disagreeing with hypractvChipmunk's claim that it is patently incorrect even in the broadest sense of whatever 23:49:29 amalloy: i think that's a poor definition, actually 23:49:43 <|amethyst> "something devised" 23:49:57 i don't understand "ok we get it" in response to my statement when the message literally right before mine was someone disagreeing with my claim 23:50:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:56 sorry, reflexive reaction whenever somoene refers to a dictionary to prove a usage 23:51:10 if i cook food to adapt it to the particular purpose of not giving me a disease when i consume it, I wouldn't qualify that as a "device" 23:51:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52:08 i do agree that "ok we get it, no device heal is a bad name for the mutation/status" 23:52:20 well, the purpose would be technically to sustain my nutritionally without adverse side effects 23:52:30 s/my/me/ 23:52:48 uhm 23:52:50 still, not a device 23:52:51 "no item healing" 23:53:14 yeah, i thought that was actually there somewhere 23:53:15 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I said that, people liked it, but they want to keep arguing 23:53:25 isn't that the long name in the % screen? 23:53:27 theinternet.txt 23:53:29 or something? 23:53:29 http://sprunge.us/WjGd Subject: [PATCH] Scale protection brand with weapon/shield skill. <-- minmay 23:53:44 food could be a device 23:53:49 like in the saying leave someone to their own devices 23:53:55 if your thing is eating a lot then that is food 23:53:56 <|amethyst> The long name is Potions and wands are less effective at restoring your health. 23:54:04 actually I guess I'll pull request it 23:54:07 <|amethyst> err, sorry, the long name is insusceptibility to healing potions and wands 23:54:08 DrKe: that's where i would argue that it also would include invokable god abilities >8) 23:54:09 but its a pretty awkward usage 23:54:22 yeah for sure 23:54:40 those are definitely a thing 23:56:04 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:56:47 New branch created: pull/123 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/123 23:56:47 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/123 * 0.17-a0-1947-g3aa3ede: Scale protection brand with weapon/shield skill. 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3aa3edebb174 23:58:11 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:59:42 chequers: did you test that? item_attack_skill(SK_SHIELDS) doesn't make sense at all