00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:06 <|amethyst> IMO make a wiki page on it (if there isn't one already) 00:02:31 ??wiki 00:02:32 wiki[1/4]: Wiki for players: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/. If incorrect or out of date, request an account and get to updating! 00:02:40 <|amethyst> not that one 00:02:45 oh we made that entry nicer 00:02:49 <|amethyst> ??devwiki 00:02:49 devwiki ~ dev wiki[1/1]: The dev wiki (to discuss changes and additions): https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start 00:03:34 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:03:36 yeah don't add to 0.17 plan though 00:04:01 there's a future versions page and a link can be added there, for 0.18 00:07:34 alright 00:07:54 ?/0.17 plan 00:07:54 Matching terms (1): 0.17_plan 00:07:59 ??0.17_plan 00:07:59 0.17 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.17_plan 00:08:05 <|amethyst> IWBNI you could store bash histories in a git repo easily 00:08:20 <|amethyst> with a branch for each new shell, a merge when you do history -r or whatever, etc 00:08:33 <|amethyst> or something nonlinear anyway 00:10:02 zsh has 'shared history' function which is something vaguely like what you want -- every shell shares their live history with each other 00:10:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:11:14 <|amethyst> not exactly what I want because that sounds like it serialises the history 00:11:34 <|amethyst> and I don't typically want history between two concurrent windows to be shared 00:11:40 right 00:11:42 <|amethyst> because I'm doing different things in each of them 00:12:13 how do you handle copy-paste between shells, again? 00:12:22 -!- Final has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:12:26 I assume not using a mouse 00:12:39 <|amethyst> if it's one command I use a mouse 00:12:40 I typically want the most recent 3 commands per-shell but the rest to be global 00:12:51 <|amethyst> if I want to merge history, I do 00:12:52 zsh can do this but it's fiddly 00:12:59 <|amethyst> history -a on the donor, history -r on the recipient 00:13:12 oh didn't know about those 00:13:33 <|amethyst> (I use HISTAPPEND so that on logout history is appended, not overwritten; and a large HISTFILESIZE) 00:14:00 ah, good things to know about 00:14:00 <|amethyst> err, unset HISTFILESIZE, HISTSIZE=500000 00:14:06 ##crawl-dev, where I learn how to use bash 00:14:25 <|amethyst> (also HISTTIMEFORMAT so I have timestamps) 00:14:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:21 grrr i hate dokuwiki sooo much 00:17:38 gammafunk, in most modern terminals you can select and shift-^C copy / shift-^V paste 00:17:59 if anyone would like to contribute notes https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:long_term_plans&#challenge_mode 00:18:11 well yes, that's how you copy and paste but 00:18:17 you have to select using the mouse is my point 00:18:18 but xterm and similar generation terminals (including most *rxvt) won't do this, and even with tweaking can only simulate it poorly 00:18:43 I like things like ansi-term/shell-mode since I can select with keyboard mainly 00:18:45 yeh, unless you can set up select bindings 00:19:08 xterm has those, just can't do the copy/paste part from keyboard very well >.> 00:19:13 haha 00:19:44 It took me forever to figure out how to configure Xresources for purposes of playing crawl in it (since gnome-terminal wasn't rending my wall glyphs) 00:20:17 thankfuly neil pointed out that it was a gnome-terminal specific rendering issue 00:20:37 and that other gtk-based terminals don't have the issue 00:20:46 <|amethyst> gammafunk: history -p '!!' | xsel -bi but I don't think I've actually used that 00:20:54 yeh. I don't know if vte has any way to define keyboard-based select 00:21:13 oh command-based copy? 00:21:21 <|amethyst> yeah, xsel is nice 00:21:32 that's one approach, but using movement keys is really nice 00:21:46 but I should probably use xsel a bit more 00:21:58 doesn't look like mate-terminal does :/ 00:22:16 I recently went through the nightmare of configuring joy2key, which is only related by topic of "legacy X programs with horrible, horrible configuration" 00:22:27 <|amethyst> hm, can screen write out its copy buffer to a file? 00:22:33 yes 00:22:36 <|amethyst> not a screenshot, but just what you selected with [ 00:22:54 <|amethyst> ah 00:22:55 <|amethyst> > 00:23:20 yeh, < to read > to write 00:23:29 * geekosaur was digging through manpage to confirm 00:28:40 >8P ~/.joy2keyrc 00:29:01 -buttons 34 85 96 22 00:29:09 yeah, seriously 00:29:38 from the error messages to the config file format, that thing, which I'm still grateful for, has it all in terms of user unfriendliness 00:29:47 i know it painfully well >8( 00:29:57 it does work with the X11 names though 00:30:00 you don't have to use the codes 00:30:10 but it's Return, not Enter! 00:30:16 hehe 00:30:40 it just tells you "look in include/X11/keysyms.h or whatever 00:30:51 s/.h/.h"/ 00:31:00 XK_INS 00:31:01 but then you just see the #defines 00:31:21 yeah like that, so you're like "do I put those in exactly?" no, turns out it's the part after XK_ that you put in 00:31:25 and you were supposed to guess that 00:31:53 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:32:54 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:35 I also managed to basically crash my system by defining a bash function fceux() and then trying to call the binary as simply fceux in said function 00:33:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:33:47 so I learned about recursive bash functions 00:36:08 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 00:39:06 <|amethyst> :) 00:39:20 the usual trick there is to have an alias for the command which invokes the function, which if you do it right won't see the alias 00:39:31 <|amethyst> bah, just use 'command' 00:39:34 yeah I just put in /usr/games/fceux 00:39:35 ^ 00:39:41 oh that's a good way as well 00:39:47 (I don't recall if bash kept the ksh-ism of aliases not taking effect in the file they are defined in) 00:39:53 also -cmd if you want to be cryptic 00:40:01 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:40:30 wait, that doesn't work. Maybe I misremember 00:40:42 <|amethyst> \cmd 00:41:27 (or c\md or any other way of quoting it) 00:41:37 <|amethyst> any kind of quoting suppresses aliases, but you need something like 'command' to suppress functions 00:41:49 yeh 00:48:16 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: Tags] 00:50:15 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:09 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e (34) 01:02:21 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:17:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e (34) 01:18:43 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:31 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:30:08 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:36:10 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:39 -!- Utrick has quit [Client Quit] 01:42:51 -!- schistosoma has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46:54 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:48:11 great job, you guys; I just won for my first time ever and I couldn't have scripted a better climax...have a look at my orb run if you ever want to feel rewarded for the perfectly-balanced endgame you guys have crafted 01:50:16 heh 01:52:46 yeah, i know it's different for you hardened veterans, but from the perspective of what a normal player would experience, that was absolutely razor-edge perfect 01:53:27 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 01:55:35 nah, that first win is always cool man. i just thought it was classy that you came in here to compliment the devs 01:56:51 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:23 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:45 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:37 Natasha Flavor Text Unclear 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9979 by haddoc 02:02:54 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:03:36 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:57 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:11:23 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:57 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:37:38 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:20 -!- Kintar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:43:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:44:41 -!- hypractvChipmunk is now known as hC|zzz 02:49:00 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 02:49:24 -!- MrRen is now known as zilis 02:49:28 -!- zilis is now known as Zilis 02:50:52 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:31 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:53:21 *Rage amulets can berserk you as a Chei worshipper 02:53:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:04 unintended? 02:56:13 %git 1ac1213cae785d6fce990a724e5a5d5b9724f60d 02:56:13 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1275-g1ac1213: Don't misleadingly claim Chei hates +Rage/*Rage (geekosaur) 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ac1213cae78 02:56:50 !seen pleasingfungus 02:56:51 I last saw PleasingFungus at Mon Sep 7 05:57:21 2015 UTC (3w 59m 28s ago) quitting, saying 'Client Quit'. 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:20 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:48 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e (34) 03:12:25 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:15:41 The fungus is no longer among us 03:16:02 rip 03:23:06 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:25:14 is it a bug that i continue to constrict enemies for damage while turned to stone by a basilisk? 03:25:37 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:28:20 Stony squeeze doesn't sound very comfortable 03:32:41 weird, someone else just brought that up 03:33:07 we sort of decided that it'd be sort of like if someone was strangling you and they turned to stone 03:33:28 you wouldn't exactly be relieved that their hands were know made of stone and wrapped around your neck 03:34:25 could have petrification break constrict 03:35:21 nothing better than killing catoblepas while stoned 03:36:29 party of Cyclops? 03:38:15 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:44:14 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:48:09 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:48:40 -!- zero_one has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:43 party of cyclops? you wanted a booth? 03:50:54 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:51:22 we're running a bit behind but if you'd like to sit at the bar before we seat you.... 03:57:07 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:09:05 -!- eb has quit [] 04:14:06 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:15:13 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:15:15 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 04:27:31 -!- Rivotril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:33:11 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: help i am not good at computer] 04:33:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:37 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:56 !source yesno 04:40:57 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/prompt.cc#l50 04:41:13 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:45:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:48:31 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:49 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:55:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:25 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:04:42 !source item_count 05:04:42 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/menu.h#l367 05:04:50 !source item_count 2 05:04:50 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/menu.h#l367 05:10:47 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:51 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:45:45 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:52:32 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:56:35 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:57:45 -!- Polom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58:57 -!- Polom2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:10 -!- zkyp_ is now known as zkyp 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:25 -!- unpaidbill has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:03:33 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:05:12 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07:23 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/113 * 0.17-a0-1924-gc730be1: Add Ashenzari hand cursing/uncursing. 10(10 days ago, 4 files, 97+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c730be1fa0b8 06:08:28 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:16:56 -!- braveplatypus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:29:38 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:40 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:31:58 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:32:10 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:50 -!- Gobbo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:32:54 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/113 * 0.17-a0-1924-g39df56c: Add Ashenzari hand cursing/uncursing. 10(10 days ago, 5 files, 98+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/39df56c68821 06:32:54 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/117 * 0.17-a0-1907-g60f29f1: Increase the stat cap to 125. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/60f29f141934 06:34:10 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:34:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:10 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:39:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:40:22 chequers: so when do we get to inscribe hands 06:41:47 apart from salamanders' burninating blade hands I guess 06:41:51 !log . sa 06:41:52 1. perunasaurus, XL22 SaTm, T:63043: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/perunasaurus/morgue-perunasaurus-20141231-223006.txt 06:41:54 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:22 oh they aren't even inscribed, I think 06:48:06 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:44 kvaak: why do you want to inscribe 06:49:49 !a 06:50:49 ??!a 06:50:49 I don't have a page labeled !a in my learndb. Did you mean: !, !am, da, ea, ha, la, na, pa, sa, ta. 06:51:02 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:52:00 i don't know what !a does 06:52:31 prompts before attacking 06:52:55 hm 06:57:24 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:57:55 -!- hope1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:57:56 yeah, can't think of a good way sorry 06:58:04 if you can think of good UI, I'm all ears 06:58:23 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/111 * 0.17-a0-1924-g8e65b02: Describe a branch's rune on player entry. 10(12 days ago, 6 files, 50+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e65b024049d 06:58:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 07:06:31 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:06:56 !source comma_separated_line 07:06:56 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/stringutil.h#l138 07:08:35 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/111 * 0.17-a0-1924-gbce447a: Describe a branch's rune on player entry. 10(12 days ago, 6 files, 60+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bce447a4edf5 07:13:26 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:48 hey, just about coming up to the 1yr anniversary of my first commit 07:19:43 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:25:30 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:39 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43:10 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:43:50 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:44:35 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:06 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49:06 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:57:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:52 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:59:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:16 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:06 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 08:04:05 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:04:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:04:19 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:13 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:07:45 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:18:54 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:28:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:31:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:32:35 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:34:43 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:44:01 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45:32 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:49:23 -!- mintman has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:53:10 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:54:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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or expanding you.inv to 53 items 10:44:41 well, you wouldn't want to screw the player 10:44:54 <|amethyst> does having 51 slots instead of 52 actually "screw" the player? 10:44:57 <|amethyst> it's a single slot 10:44:59 -!- siepu_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45:19 <|amethyst> (I prefer not giving it a letter for other reasons, and think there will still be the need for lots of special-case code) 10:45:49 i don't know the code implications, so i'm just brainstorming 10:46:30 <|amethyst> (also, players would still claim they're being screwed, since we give them a 53rd slot that they can't actually use, and players are entitled whiners sometimes) 10:47:02 well, the 52 limit already makes me cry as a new player who doesn't have any idea what he's going to see around the next corner 10:47:28 <|amethyst> kvaak: does the recently-added unarmed warning not work for you? not carrying any weapons, or you have UC skill but don't want to use it 10:47:35 <|amethyst> kvaak: ? 10:48:12 oh, I didn't know that was a thing 10:48:38 <|amethyst> %git 707e7bb3 10:48:38 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-1159-g707e7bb: Prompt on unintentional unarmed attacks. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 18+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/707e7bb37a25 10:50:04 <|amethyst> (later changed to not count ranged weapons, but unwieldable weapons are still a problem) 10:50:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:50:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:53:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:06 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:05 "players are entitled whiners sometimes" s/ sometimes// 10:58:00 * plathrop says that as a total entitled whiner 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:30 >8D 11:04:49 -!- Zekka has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:06:11 -!- mintman has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:07:12 -!- PKrockin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10:48 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:17 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:16:23 !kw meaty 11:16:24 Keyword: meaty => mhp>=400 11:16:34 !kw crazy 11:16:34 Keyword: crazy => ((sh>=50 || sh>25 newsh)) crace!=og|tr|na|ce|fo 11:16:42 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:28 oops, sorry spam, wrong window 11:18:16 Have you seen this? https://github.com/isocpp/CppCoreGuidelines?utm_campaign=explore-email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=weekly 11:18:26 "The C++ Core Guidelines are a set of tried-and-true guidelines, rules, and best practices about coding in C++" 11:19:00 is #1 "Don't code in C++?" 11:19:44 can't take seriously otherwise 11:24:55 <|amethyst> plathrop: I think that's a very far-off goal for Crawl code 11:25:14 <|amethyst> I'd be happy with getting rid of new and delete in 0.18 though 11:25:18 <|amethyst> but doubt I can do it myself 11:25:34 I was just curious what "real" devs thought of it, mostly. 11:25:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:32 <|amethyst> I'd rather be a tool/infrastructure dev than an application dev so probably I don't count as 'real' :) 11:28:53 <|amethyst> at least, no more real than Stroustrup, Sutter, etc. 11:29:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:29:47 <|amethyst> but I do like the approach as a compromise towards actually modernising a language that has a large installed base 11:30:25 <|amethyst> "actually modernising" as in removing things (even if it is without actually removing them) 11:30:35 <|amethyst> kind of like Perl use strict; 11:31:21 <|amethyst> probably for a while too many people will be stuck with old tools that can't enforce the static analysis parts of the guidelines 11:31:41 <|amethyst> I'd also like to know how expensive the required static analysis is, given how slow compiling C++ is already 11:32:20 <|amethyst> because this sounds like something you'd want to do on every build, meaning it essentially is part of the compilation cost for many workflows 11:38:30 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:24 -!- CcS has quit [Client Quit] 11:44:59 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 11:52:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:56:58 |amethyst: +1 to tool/infrastructure dev. 11:58:50 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:13 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:29 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:06:14 !kw tie 12:06:15 Keyword: tie => orb turn=${lg:turn} 12:06:21 !lg * tie 12:06:22 No keyword 'orb' 12:06:30 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:51 -!- orbekk has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 12:08:35 -!- CcS has quit [Client Quit] 12:09:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:23:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:28:35 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:36:11 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:36 -!- Magipi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:20 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:10 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:12 -!- mintman has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:08:46 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:24 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:17:45 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:33 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22:16 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:30:36 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 13:35:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:40:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:56 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:02 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:53:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:59:59 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:06 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:02:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:03:58 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:14 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:14:15 -!- soad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:26 !lg hyperactivechipmunk won -tv:T113909:channel=hC 14:19:27 1. hyperactiveChipmunk, XL27 MfSk, T:115110 requested for hC: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:20:18 oops, wrong channel again =x 14:21:05 note to self: don't close the /msg nickserv window after you've had it open for five days 14:21:52 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:27:00 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:32:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:32:30 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:29 -!- soad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39:26 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42:43 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:33 -!- Cenon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:54:03 I think I'm just going to push the rc files macro/keybinding stuff even if there's some unintuitive behavior. I still intend to make the changes discussed a couple days ago, but there's not much harm into pushing the current version while I work on that. 14:58:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:04:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 15:09:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:20 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:00 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:12:11 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:14:31 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:19:01 -!- hypractvChipmunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:20:24 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 15:26:35 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:13 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-1924-ge4d61d8: Allow players to declare macros and keybindings in rc files 10(2 weeks ago, 4 files, 106+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e4d61d8d5a38 15:31:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 15:55:18 -!- Red` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:56:51 !learn add lasty_to_do[2] The +4 robe of vines {Regen+++++| 15:56:52 lasty to do[2/14]: The +4 robe of vines {Regen+++++| 15:57:22 following ash identifies ?rc for you, but doesn't print a message saying so. is there a reason for that, or should i see about making it say something? 15:58:04 how about a +k robe of vines with regen +(n-k+1) 15:58:40 where k grows up to n as the robe itself regenerates 15:59:37 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:00 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02:56 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:39 Robin says, "We wiped out the hill dwarves - you're next!" - should this read mountain dwarves? 16:11:20 hill dwarf was also a race, fwiw 16:12:02 Zannick: sounds like you'd just scum turns in that 16:12:16 oh, I see what you're getting at 16:12:23 hahaha 16:12:43 never seen that line. does she only say it to deep dwarves? 16:12:49 ... you'd probably still scum it tho 16:14:12 doesn't look conditional to me 16:14:45 i mean, it has to take damage separately from you 16:15:36 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:16:22 basically as the enemy cuts away the vines your ac drops but your regen goes up 16:16:24 ProzacElf: no, it's just rare 16:16:30 Zannick: oh, interesting 16:16:32 i started wondering why there aren't any randart enhancer staves. is there a particular reason? (it'd be a pain in the ass to do is probably enough of one tbh) 16:16:43 Zannick: that's much more complicated, but a pretty cool idea 16:17:03 New branch created: pull/119 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/119 16:17:03 03amalloy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/119 * 0.17-a0-1926-g3e06482: Tell the player when Ash identifies ?RC for you 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e0648231721 16:18:02 ProzacElf: the first reason that comes to my mind is they can't be enchanted 16:18:22 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:18:29 with weapon randarts, there's a tradeoff between "a +3 randart with good affixes" and "a +9 thing of flaming i made myself" 16:18:30 yeah, that was the first thing that came to my mind once i started actually thinking about it 16:18:34 enchantment makes the randart too likely to be good 16:18:38 erm, lack of enchantment 16:18:41 like with randart QDA 16:18:47 with an enhancer staff there's no tradeoff, it's just great 16:19:04 it would just be a player buff 16:19:19 are there any unrand staves? does olgreb's still exist? 16:19:25 yes 16:19:30 is that the only one 16:19:31 ? 16:19:39 only enhancer staff i think 16:19:40 there is the resists one 16:19:44 oh right 16:19:45 but that is not an enhancer yeah 16:19:46 the elemental staff 16:19:50 I guess Majin and Wucad are both quarterstaves 16:19:59 otherwise yes, theres wucad mu and elemental staff 16:20:02 wucad is a qstaff? 16:20:07 yep 16:20:10 huh 16:20:13 i knew majin was 16:20:20 that's why it can be +6 16:20:31 i think wucad is +9 16:20:34 and a regular staff 16:20:36 well, whatever 16:20:40 ??wucad mu 16:20:40 wucad mu[1/3]: Unrandart +9 staff, evoke for {channeling} MP but sometimes gives {divination miscast}s. 16:20:44 Hmm 16:20:54 I would swear it's a QS -- I think it does decent damage 16:21:10 !source unrand.h 16:21:11 Can't find unrand.h. 16:21:17 erg, what's that file called 16:21:17 i remember using it in zigs 16:21:22 pretty sure it's a staff staff 16:21:25 !source art-data.txt 16:21:26 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt 16:21:40 sure enough 16:21:56 weird. Why did I think QS? Oh well. 16:22:01 maybe because it has a plus 16:22:04 it probably was one in the past 16:22:26 ??elemental staff 16:22:26 elemental staff[1/2]: A +3 staff (not quarterstaff) {rElec rF++ rC++ MR++ AC+5}. On melee attacks, rolls two (evocations/27) checks, and if either succeeds, it does an extra 9+1d15 damage that randomly checks one of rF, rC, rElec, AC. Calculate your trigger chances http://anydice.com/program/52e7 here. 16:22:43 i guess the elemental staff also does 16:23:24 ??staff of fire 16:23:25 staff damage[1/3]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. 16:24:11 yeah, that damage is pretty crummy by contrast 16:25:36 Why is the trident of the octopus king BOOL elec? 16:25:54 wow, it's a miracle this rcfile code all works 16:26:24 i guess because of what a boring fixedart it is 16:26:40 but it doesn't do elec damage :p 16:26:41 unless you have 8 octopus king rings 16:26:47 isn't tat relec 16:26:50 tHat 16:26:55 oh, does it have rElec? 16:27:00 i think so 16:27:08 ah, I see 16:27:20 oh right 16:27:26 now I remember how this file works :p 16:31:49 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:05 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:21 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 16:34:44 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:48 @?goblin 16:41:48 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 16:41:59 |amethyst: what's the difference between @? and @??, again? 16:42:07 @? 16:42:07 Usage: @? 16:42:10 @?? 16:42:10 Usage: @? 16:42:36 alias for people who are used to typing ?? for learndb? 16:43:02 @??goblin 16:43:02 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 16:43:05 @?goblin 16:43:05 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 16:43:09 Well I'm asking the current mentainer to get the definitive opinion :) 16:43:22 s/mentainer/maintainer/ 16:43:34 haven't seen him for hours 16:43:46 for hours? 16:43:55 |amethyst is always watching 16:43:59 sporulating 16:44:06 >8D 16:44:08 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:09 or terrifying undergraduates 16:44:26 usually by sporulating 16:44:33 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:38 that would terrify me 16:44:42 Ficus? is that you? 16:44:56 I can look at the source in this case, and find out myself 16:44:57 ??monster[2 16:44:58 objstat[2/3]: Latest statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 16:45:01 ??monster[1 16:45:02 monsters[1/4]: The most up-to-date code for @?? can be found at https://github.com/crawl/monster/ : branch 'master' for trunk, 'dcss016' for 0.16, and likewise back to 'dcss09'. 16:45:22 ??gretell 16:45:23 I don't have a page labeled gretell in my learndb. 16:45:27 greally 16:45:29 *really 16:45:37 i thought 1 ? was stable 16:45:40 but that might be wrong 16:45:40 ??sizzell 16:45:41 sizzell[1/2]: Like Gretell, except that |amethyst is typing everything himself. Announces games and upgrades on crawl.s-z.org ({CSZO}). Uses "%" for its commands ("%dump" etc), but does not do nick mapping. 16:45:48 oh, that would make sense, hrm 16:45:48 lol 16:46:03 @?death_cob 16:46:03 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2277 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 16:46:03 @?death cob 16:46:03 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2277 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 16:46:06 nope 16:46:13 lol, i win 16:46:22 no you didn't 16:46:25 you were 2nd on my screen 16:46:28 you in fact lost 16:46:32 pfft 16:46:36 first on mine 16:46:39 mine's better 16:46:44 @??death cob 16:46:45 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2277 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 16:46:49 death cob (08%) | Spd: 25 | HD: 10 | HP: 51-79 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1012 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 16:46:49 %??death cob 16:46:52 death cob (08%) | Spd: 25 | HD: 10 | HP: 49-80 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1016 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal. 16:46:52 %?death cob 16:46:58 i wonder if chei was like that 16:47:00 so % is stable 16:47:05 or rather, chei is 16:47:10 makes sense 16:47:13 well if you look the numbers are different 16:47:19 for the hp 16:47:23 yeah 16:47:30 ohh 16:47:42 i think for gretell they might just be the same? 16:47:47 but maybe the question marks did something with chei 16:48:18 it's unbreathing too 16:48:29 and int human/normal 16:48:31 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 16:48:33 wasn't that changed? 16:48:44 the int levels, I mean 16:48:45 it's probably 0.16 vs outdated trunk 16:48:48 monster hasn't been recompiled on chei 16:48:56 so that's not a basis for comparison, yeah 16:48:59 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:08 it can't do C++11 16:49:11 so chei is old vs. older 16:49:15 appropriate 16:49:36 he'll get there when he gets there 16:49:40 or not 16:49:44 who can say 16:50:12 hopefully by then hypractvChipmunk won't have as much caffeine in his sytem 16:50:51 * hypractvChipmunk shuts up. 16:50:54 hrm, I'm only concerned about this for bot relay purposes 16:51:17 just want to know what queries might get me a non-response 16:51:20 @?foo 16:51:20 unknown monster: "foo" 16:51:41 seems like not many, so I should be fine; but if I only need to be using @? instead of @?? that's good to know as well 16:52:09 dpvblackbelt (L2 OgHu) (D:1) 16:52:20 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:54:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:19 -!- reaverb is now known as Guest27357 16:58:42 -!- Guest27357 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:06 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:15 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:16 The build has errored. (master - d9295a5 #3254 : reaverb): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/82617461 17:07:16 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:09:43 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:45 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1181-gabc46e6 17:11:45 <|amethyst> %??-version 17:12:14 <|amethyst> I think I did manage to get a binary compiled elsewhere to run on chei's server 17:12:42 <|amethyst> but that has to be manually updated, so is still out of date 17:14:08 -!- Guest27357 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:38 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 17:14:38 <|amethyst> %??-version 17:14:42 <|amethyst> there 17:14:45 -!- Guest27357 is now known as reaverb 17:14:46 <|amethyst> @?-version 17:14:47 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 17:14:49 <|amethyst> @??-version 17:14:49 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 17:14:56 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2 17:14:56 <|amethyst> %?-version 17:15:18 <|amethyst> hm, I guess no 0.16 version anywhere 17:20:15 Is that travis error something wrong with my commits? 17:21:02 It looks like a git clone error. 17:21:18 fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/crawl/crawl.git/': Couldn't resolve host 'github.com' 17:21:26 I'd be rather surprised if your commits could cause that 17:22:15 Yeah I was thinking that, but I have to go soon and don't want to leave anything broken. 17:22:30 * geekosaur still thinks it would be nice if travis differentiated between build errors and setup errors, if not errors completely out of control of the build 17:23:01 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-1926-g50caaa4: Credit myself under my real name instead of "reaverb" 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50caaa40c3a4 17:23:10 Yeah it's kind of weird it doesn't. 17:25:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:26:16 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:31:10 yeah, it really puts a damper on the lynch mob preparations, too 17:31:21 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:31:59 i was all ready to go with my torches and pitchforks 17:32:41 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:13 03John Stahara02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/118 * 0.17-a0-1917-gd0e6317: Make layer toggling configurable. 10(12 minutes ago, 3 files, 44+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0e63170b2d3 17:38:15 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44:16 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:44:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:48:06 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:13 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:31 03John Stahara02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/118 * 0.17-a0-1918-g3d15b06: Document the options for controlling view layers. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d15b0696501 17:49:49 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:39 i think that ought to be it, barring any stupid coding errors 17:51:29 moon troll (11T) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 79-117 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 2509(claw), 2509(claw) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison | XP: 2751 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d21) | Sz: Big | Int: human. 17:51:29 %0.16?moon troll 17:56:55 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1927-g319369b: Fix forced-giving conflicting mutations. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 28+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/319369bcb810 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:11 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:03:12 <|amethyst> FR: make that an array of structs rather than a 2D array 18:03:19 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1927-g319369b (34) 18:04:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:32 |amethyst: is that, uh, your feature request? 18:10:57 <|amethyst> well, I guess it's more of a refactoring request :) 18:12:25 <|amethyst> it's a bit of a pain though, because of how _handle_conflicting_mutations implements symmetry ("for (int j = 0; j < 2; ++j)") 18:12:28 i wasn't sure who it was directed at >8) 18:12:31 <|amethyst> oh 18:12:38 <|amethyst> it was a response to the commit I just pushed, sorry 18:12:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:12:42 <|amethyst> nothing to do with yours 18:12:54 <|amethyst> %git 18:12:54 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1927-g319369b: Fix forced-giving conflicting mutations. 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 28+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/319369bcb810 18:13:31 * hypractvChipmunk nods. 18:14:44 <|amethyst> (and probably that integer should be an enum, and in fact a bitfield so you don't need two entries for the "replace all if forced, replace one if not forced" case 18:14:47 <|amethyst> ) 18:14:57 |amethyst: sorry, what's the official difference between @?? and @? 18:15:00 ? 18:15:04 (lotta ?) 18:15:13 <|amethyst> none anymore 18:15:26 good to know, and that's a permanent thing? 18:15:27 <|amethyst> they differ in Chei (%?? is monster-trunk, %? is monster-stable) 18:15:35 anyone wanna merge the super-simple https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/119 ? 18:15:50 <|amethyst> probably, unless someone wants to get monster-stable builds working on CDO 18:16:57 03amalloy02 07* 0.17-a0-1926-g3e06482: Tell the player when Ash identifies ?RC for you 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e0648231721 18:16:57 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1929-gf63176a: Merge pull request #119 from amalloy/ash-scroll-id 10(7 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f63176a9e6ba 18:17:43 <|amethyst> hmm... 18:17:58 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:07 <|amethyst> why wasn't the _maybe_identify_pack_item handling that? 18:18:52 -!- Red` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:19:16 I knew I should have looked into that more before merging since it's identification code 18:19:16 <|amethyst> oh 18:19:28 <|amethyst> because _maybe_identify_pack_item doesn't actually print the messages it appears 18:20:27 <|amethyst> hm 18:20:41 <|amethyst> in fact, there were apparently no callers of pack_item_identify_message until that commit ? 18:21:08 When was the last time someone looked for orphaned functions? 18:21:23 amalloy just felt it was so lonely by itself 18:22:31 !function _maybe_identify_pack_item 18:22:32 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc#l59 18:23:44 <|amethyst> !function maybe_identify_base_type 18:23:45 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/items.cc#l4820 18:24:38 <|amethyst> let's see what the pickaxe says 18:25:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1930-gd44ad96: Remove an unused parameter to set_ident_type. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d44ad9602839 18:25:31 ring-a-ding-a-dingering 18:25:33 <|amethyst> pickaxe is slooow 18:25:40 |amethyst: gah, that function 18:26:31 <|amethyst> pickaxe returns nothing.... 18:26:39 <|amethyst> has that function ever been used? 18:27:11 <|amethyst> oh, I typoed 18:28:00 i just looked at that _handle_conflicting_mutations loop 18:28:03 <|amethyst> the uses were removed in 18:28:07 <|amethyst> %git 9240d72b 18:28:07 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1335-g9240d72: Remove now-unused code for identification states 10(4 months ago, 34 files, 146+ 254-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9240d72bed89 18:28:12 <|amethyst> %git 8965cfae 18:28:12 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2924-g8965cfa: Finish making all scrolls read ID. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 4 files, 95+ 170-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8965cfaeaf50 18:28:39 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: it is not the clearest thing in the world :) 18:30:07 there's a h2g2 quote that just fluttered past my mind in reading it 18:30:33 "the product of a mind that was not just twisted, but actually bent" or somesuch 18:31:00 <|amethyst> oh hey 18:31:23 <|amethyst> the two-argument get_ident_type and the two-argument item_type_known are nearly identical 18:31:32 <|amethyst> except the former has an assert 18:32:03 <|amethyst> the one-argument versions are different 18:37:34 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:15 |amethyst: it's not clear from the comment you added in what cases 1 differs from -1 18:40:30 er 0 from -1 18:40:59 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: if the mutation is not forced, -1 will just fail 18:41:01 it appears as if they act the same, just one specified non-forced behavior 18:41:08 specifies* 18:41:10 <|amethyst> while 0 will keep going 18:41:21 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:36 ah, that's the "either way" 18:41:45 <|amethyst> let me clarify that 18:42:10 no need; I'm doing your refactor and it'll be clear from that 18:42:21 so long as I get it correct >8) 18:42:37 was trying to decide what to call the flags 18:42:39 <|amethyst> Still want it to be clear to readers 18:42:55 <|amethyst> but I guess you can make that change since you'll be touching that comment 18:43:07 <|amethyst> I was going to change "Either way" to "Whether it was forced or not" 18:43:53 <|amethyst> and also, under -1, to add " (as with 0)" to the end of the first sentence 18:44:42 yeah...i'll just have you review it when I get it to the point where I've got the datatype sorted out 18:44:45 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:44:53 -!- Palyth__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:23 it needs to be fixed, though; that loop cannot be allowed to live 18:46:16 i am honor-bound to destroy it 18:47:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:08 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarchimus] 18:58:42 hm. bug i don't have the foggiest idea how to fix. i'm ^ash, and detected a red monster on the other side of a wall. excluded it with xe, and as expected the level annotation is "exclusion: sensed monster (detected)". then i realized i could scry it with aa, and i now know it's a black mamba, but the level annotation still says "sensed monster" 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:23 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:01:17 -!- foophykins has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:40 Can someone point me to where trove generation occurs? 19:02:17 <|amethyst> foophykins: generation of the entry (including picking the toll) or of the trove level itself? 19:02:29 The trove level itself. 19:02:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:02:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:02:38 I found the code that defines the actual trove 19:02:48 I can't seem to find where it would happen. 19:02:51 <|amethyst> dat/des/portals/trove.des 19:10:52 <|amethyst> (as for the C++ code, it's just like generation of any other level, so builder -> _build_level_vetoable -> _build_dungeon_level -> _builder_by_type -> _builder_normal) 19:15:30 I'm wondering where troves can generate and I can't find the code for this XD 19:15:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:11 You mean on what levels? 19:16:17 Yeah 19:16:17 <|amethyst> then you want branch-data.h 19:16:31 <|amethyst> hm, no 19:16:50 So it's not in branch-data.h? 19:17:14 <|amethyst> apparently not, since that says BRANCH_NONE between depths -1 and -1 :) 19:17:52 <|amethyst> ah 19:17:55 <|amethyst> it's in trove.des 19:18:01 <|amethyst> before all the enter_trove vaults: 19:18:04 <|amethyst> default-depth: D:10-, Depths, Elf, Vaults 19:18:12 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:18:20 Ahh 19:18:34