00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:55 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1831-gaadb308 (34) 00:08:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:11:27 chequers: gammafunk: yea, still running a very out of date webtiles-changes 00:11:44 I was recommended to not update several months ago 00:12:38 -!- st_ has quit [] 00:13:15 this should be my latest: https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/tree/dbro 00:14:21 -!- Undo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:05 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:23 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 00:24:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:32:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:02 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:45:26 ok 00:47:47 is this a bug? https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/3ku4jh/switching_from_makhleb_to_tso_beware_of_this/ 00:47:52 makh wrath causes tso wrath 00:48:01 <|amethyst> I imagine, yes 00:48:12 <|amethyst> not sure why it's happening, but I haven't tried debugging yet 00:49:27 <|amethyst> ohh 00:49:32 <|amethyst> get_avatar() 00:49:44 <|amethyst> calls shadow_monster 00:50:11 <|amethyst> which has mid = MID_PLAYER 00:50:20 <|amethyst> because that makes sense for dith shadow mimic 00:50:52 <|amethyst> so this would happen with veh wrath too 00:51:15 <|amethyst> err, also I think that mean you get XP? 00:51:35 <|amethyst> I guess MID_NOBODY would work? 00:53:20 -!- gammafunk is now known as Beemell 00:54:55 <|amethyst> hm 00:55:28 <|amethyst> I guess enough stuff out there refers to monsters by mid these days that it's better to be safe 00:56:47 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:07 -!- Beemell is now known as beem 01:00:48 -!- beem is now known as Beemell 01:02:36 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:57 -!- Beemell is now known as gammafunk 01:03:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1831-gaadb308 (34) 01:09:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:28 -!- melenkuri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1832-g13cb7e4: Enscopulate and rename ability_flag_type. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 194+ 194-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13cb7e471066 01:15:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1833-g9176aad: Don't blame the player for Veh/Makhleb spell wrath (dolemite99) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9176aad88b61 01:18:06 I do love the word "enscopulate" 01:18:10 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1831-gaadb308 (34) 01:18:15 heh 01:18:27 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I considered saying "Scope out" this time 01:18:28 Gonna try to work that into casual conversation and see if people call it out 01:18:45 <|amethyst> but then decided I should keep "Enscopulate" for ease of grepping 01:19:09 <|amethyst> !gitgrep scopulate 01:19:10 %git HEAD^{/} 01:19:10 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1833-g9176aad: Don't blame the player for Veh/Makhleb spell wrath (dolemite99) 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9176aad88b61 01:19:10 You have to keep the meme alive! It gives dcss a greater profile on social media 01:19:14 <|amethyst> !gitgrep scopulate 2 01:19:14 %git HEAD^{/2} 01:19:15 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1820-ge6e4696: Count a hostile Makh summon as success. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e6e469604ed8 01:19:16 <|amethyst> !gitgrep scopulate 3 01:19:17 %git HEAD^{/3} 01:19:17 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1833-g9176aad: Don't blame the player for Veh/Makhleb spell wrath (dolemite99) 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9176aad88b61 01:19:21 <|amethyst> hm 01:19:23 <|amethyst> how does that work 01:19:28 <|amethyst> !gitgrep 2 scopulate 01:19:28 %git HEAD^{/scopulate}^^{/scopulate} 01:19:28 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1737-g9d1d44d: Enscopulate a few enums. 10(2 weeks ago, 5 files, 270+ 268-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d1d44d84908 01:19:32 <|amethyst> !gitgrep 3 scopulate 01:19:32 %git HEAD^{/scopulate}^^{/scopulate}^^{/scopulate} 01:19:32 Could not find commit HEAD^{/scopulate}^^{/scopulate}^^{/scopulate} (git returned 128) 01:19:41 <|amethyst> !gitgrep 1 scopulate 01:19:41 %git HEAD^{/scopulate} 01:19:41 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1832-g13cb7e4: Enscopulate and rename ability_flag_type. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 194+ 194-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13cb7e471066 01:19:55 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:20:00 <|amethyst> The only problem is 01:20:04 <|amethyst> I make up words like that 01:20:13 <|amethyst> then people don't believe me that "sporulate" is a real word 01:20:30 heh 01:20:34 I blame hangedman for removing gammafunk_forest_sporulate 01:21:12 <|amethyst> oh, speaking of which 01:21:20 <|amethyst> %git 19c608af 01:21:20 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1437-g19c608a: Remove a Zot vault 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19c608af41a9 01:21:54 Yeah, that was one of his "zot is a silly place" vault 01:21:58 <|amethyst> Apparently that vault (I think it was that one) was a reference to something in Goblet Grotto 01:22:11 But I agree most players just saw it and thought it was a buggy vault 01:23:16 <|amethyst> speaking of fake bugs, I do like this one 01:23:29 <|amethyst> !vault hangedman_orp_of_zott 01:23:29 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des#l2314 01:23:42 Yeah that one at least has monsters etc 01:24:27 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:24:54 Makes me think about someday adding more variety to hall_of_zot, like we tried with orb chamber subvaults, but have to tread carefully there 01:25:14 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:25:50 <|amethyst> I think alt tomb let that horse out of the barn 01:26:18 <|amethyst> i.e. it would probably be received better today than it was then 01:26:37 <|amethyst> but Zot is more important than tomb of course so still requires care 01:28:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:28:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:30:14 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:24 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: g'night!] 01:39:53 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:48:56 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:52:04 zikky (L19 DEWz) (Vaults:2) 01:53:41 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1833-g9176aad 01:54:11 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:55:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:55:55 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:33 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:20 <|amethyst> !source enum_bitfield 02:07:20 1/5. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/enum.h#l45 02:12:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:18:31 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 02:20:45 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:34:49 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:49:46 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1833-g9176aad 02:52:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1834-gef58047: Fix the variadic constructor for enum_bitfield. 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef5804787518 02:53:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:25 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55:19 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:57:45 Monster Kobold buckler graphical bug 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9953 by Ironfoot 02:59:56 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:50 Eyeball/slime shape-shifters cause moral dilemma 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9954 by Ironfoot 03:07:12 -!- hexophile_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:11:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:11:48 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:17:29 |amethyst: you ran the most recent user survey I think, right? 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08:20:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:27:30 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:32:59 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:48 <|amethyst> !tell chequers the survey was dpeg's I believe 08:37:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let chequers know. 08:38:21 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:39:08 hi 08:39:08 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:39:24 !seen dpeg 08:39:24 I last saw dpeg at Wed Sep 9 17:02:08 2015 UTC (4d 19h 37m 16s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: later!'. 08:39:45 !tell dpeg do you want to run another user survey in conjunction with the 0.17 release? 08:39:45 chequers: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 08:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:41:10 you should rephrase that question. "could you rehire jpeg as a slave to crunch the numbers for a new user survey in conjunction with the 0.17 release?" ;-) 08:42:37 i'm offering myself as supplicant 08:43:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:45:24 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:52:48 -!- Guest66903 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:53:25 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:27 -!- Silas is now known as Guest33154 08:57:00 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:57:30 -!- Demise_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:59:29 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:07 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:15:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:16:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:17:43 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 09:19:16 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:36:59 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:39:34 <|amethyst> btw, what happened to CRD? 09:40:15 <|amethyst> has it just been really quiet the past three months, or is there a technical (or administrative) problem? 09:43:12 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50:35 -!- inire2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:54:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1835-g60d1789: Show I_HUMAN in xv. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/60d178911a62 09:58:47 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:59:12 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1836-gb183eda: Fix a typo. 10(15 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b183eda11b2e 10:03:30 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:15:15 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:19:07 -!- gattor has quit [Client Quit] 10:19:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1837-g7c6a762: Use the correct pronoun for more xv lines. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c6a762176c5 10:21:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:22:01 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:24 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:44:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:02 The build has errored. (master - 60d1789 #3176 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/80243940 10:46:02 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:47:04 <|amethyst> apt failures and I/O errors from the compiler 10:47:09 <|amethyst> not my fault! :) 10:50:51 New branch created: lobster-trap (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/lobster-trap 10:50:51 03|amethyst02 07[lobster-trap] * 0.17-a0-1838-g166170d: Require a rune to leave Lair. 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 51+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/166170d6775d 10:51:46 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:56 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:35 |amethyst: whoa 11:01:57 -!- t4nk261 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:02:00 that actually sounds quite interesting 11:02:06 |amethyst: I hope you also replace all orcs with orc knights in Orc. 11:09:00 <|amethyst> Lasty_: alternatively, move Orc back above Lair 11:09:04 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:44 |amethyst: fair enough. Doing orc before lair isn't really unreasonable these days 11:10:10 I probably end up doing it in 1/6 of games where I have the option. 11:14:33 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:25 -!- Evablue_ is now known as Evablue 11:16:29 <|amethyst> !tell dpeg I heard you like rune locks, see branch lobster-trap https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/166170d6775d 11:16:29 |amethyst: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 11:22:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:22:47 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:27:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:27:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 11:28:13 <|amethyst> doh, on that last trunk commit I included the wrong message in the commit message (that hide message was already correct) 11:28:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:33:46 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:45 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:44:55 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:28 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:50:48 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 11:52:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:30 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:58:10 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:31 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:59:39 |amethyst: You're not going to put all tavern suggestion implementations in cyc? 11:59:55 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:19 After all, users can even play it on cpo now 12:00:20 this is a kinda good suggestion :) 12:00:34 Maybe we can use it as an april fool branch eventually 12:01:29 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:06:16 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:50 Or it could even become the branch used to make the crawl fork equivalent to Slash-Em 12:07:06 which would be horrible, but Nature finds a way 12:09:08 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:11:26 -!- jakub_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:19 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:18:38 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:39 The build passed. (lobster-trap - 166170d #3178 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/80254481 12:18:39 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:22:47 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:54 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:27:31 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 12:34:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:37:06 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:37:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:07 -!- read has quit [Quit: bbl] 12:52:25 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:28 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:01:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:01:31 -!- Tags has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:02:40 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:38 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:17:35 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:18:13 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:20:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:21:41 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:27:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1837-g7c6a762 (34) 13:40:44 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 57-87 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 975 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 13:40:44 %??hydra 13:44:12 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:55:34 -!- cjm has quit [] 13:57:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:59 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:01:39 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:05:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:34 -!- Cerpin has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:15:34 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:21:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:50 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26:21 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36:48 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:37:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:56 chequers: I made a fork of dcss-website in crawl/dcss-website that I'll use on CDO from now on. Feel free to make pull requests etc there when you have new things on your repo 14:40:56 And I'll stop pushing to your repo as well 14:43:33 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:01 -!- DizzySkin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:08 Hi! 14:48:10 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:48:57 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:49:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:15 I've just git cloned the source and I'm trying to get it to build in MSVC, using Community 2015 I'm getting an error telling me that dat.csproj doesn't have the outputpath set, however it's clearly set 14:49:44 anyone around who has it working in MSVC? Should I be using 2012? 14:50:19 i might be mistaken but i think nobody has used the msvc projects in a long time 14:50:43 That wouldn't surprise me :P 14:50:45 last message about someone mentioning msvc in here was in july 14:51:18 it's probably not worth the time trying to make it work in MSVC if there is a windows or linux working alternative 14:51:25 haha. and my log cuts off right as |amethyst is giving help to the guy who was having trouble with msvc, because i signed out 14:51:34 heh 14:51:35 nice 14:51:37 DizzySkin: it is a piece of cake in linux 14:51:55 I guess I should just use Code::Blocks in win? 14:52:15 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:15 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:24 alternativly I have a linux VM running 14:52:45 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:52:46 just build it on linux 14:52:46 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 14:53:06 fair enough 14:55:57 DizzySkin: why not use git for windows? 14:56:12 with msys2; see the instructions for using the Git for Windows SDK 14:56:17 gammafunk: DizzySkin already cloned, it says here 14:56:22 building is the problem 14:56:41 amalloy: you don't know what I'm talking about; see INSTALL.txt 14:56:45 I'm talking about building 14:57:02 gammafunk: yea, I was considering that 14:57:03 Windows users generally should compile using either Git for Windows SDK or Cygwin 14:57:23 -!- Ironfoot has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:13 i tried to get msvc working, but gave up and used msys 14:58:18 Of course you can just use a linux VM, but using Msys or cygwin is a bit more "native" 14:58:37 mmm 14:58:48 ahh, I think I see why my MSVC setup isn't working as well 14:58:50 With Git for Windows SDK you're making native windows binaries, which is nice 14:58:54 maybe i'll have another try tonight 14:58:57 much like what you get from MSVC 14:58:58 I'll probably just build with git as recommended however 14:59:24 With cygwin they're cygwin-only 14:59:49 You can also cross-compile to windows from Linux, which is how we make the windows binaries 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:26 Not going in 0.17. There haven't been any specific proposals for changing blade hands or other spells in the book of changes. Remains an item for 0.18+ 15:06:29 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 15:06:57 why's that bad? 15:07:10 because they promised me new forms and effects and revamps 15:07:13 I like the book of change ;o 15:07:16 ahh 15:07:21 new forms would be cool 15:08:00 so the issue is they couldn't get any spesific and detailed ideas for new forms that they liked presumably 15:08:00 -!- ```dsk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08:25 I think I'll beat the game with transmuter before I give that a go lol 15:08:42 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08:48 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:09:46 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:28 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:30 FR: bear form: high hp, large size, highish damage, berserkitis 15:16:03 "dragon form with berserkitis"? :D 15:16:46 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:23 FR: dragon turtle form: slow movement, highish AC, bonus hp, reaching attack 15:17:28 and can swim 15:19:07 Imp form: blink, low ac / damage, rPois, MR+ 15:19:23 and retract to its shell to regenerate and and even stronker AC but cant move 15:19:24 AKA the "please xom no" form :P 15:20:13 different imp colours with different attributes! 15:20:35 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:20:38 you could derive that from the white/shadow/red imps I suppose 15:21:08 the only problem being that it encourages you to get into even dumber situations and rely on random blink to save you 15:21:18 instead of relying on spider speed 15:21:27 spider doesnt speed you up 15:21:39 if you are a naga, then yes, it does 15:21:45 (and I mostly play naga transmuter) 15:22:16 that or my lying eyes 15:22:21 *shrug* 15:22:24 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:22:53 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:07 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:29:50 FR: spider form unlocks new powers with rising spellpower!. clinging->leap->burrow->strong poison->entangle->spit web->spit poison->extra speed->shield (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7063/images/4371237b-i1.0.jpg)->virulent poison/paralytic poison/confusing poison (choose one) 15:30:22 link y u no work 15:30:22 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7063/images/4371237b-i1.0.jpg 15:30:25 ^armoured spider 15:33:02 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:36:24 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:44:08 -!- Ironfoot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:45 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 15:50:00 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:51:00 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:54:33 -!- Karasu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:39 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 15:55:08 -!- Ironfoot_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:59:30 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_lunch 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:25:00 -!- mtyson has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:35:24 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:31 web spitting would actually be cool 16:37:36 at high spellpower 16:43:31 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 16:44:31 -!- amalloy_lunch is now known as amalloy 16:48:19 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52:36 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:46 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:21 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01:48 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:57 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:09:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:10:22 chequers: nothing wrong with killing players. 17:10:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I didn't put lobster-trap in cyc branch because I think it's actually worth considering for 0.18 17:11:19 I'm not sure which branch you'd want to do it in though 17:12:10 lobster-trap? is it a vault with fire crabs behind grates who can spit through the grates or something? 17:12:19 <|amethyst> %git lobster-trap 17:12:19 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1838-g166170d: Require a rune to leave Lair. 10(6 hours ago, 4 files, 51+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/166170d6775d 17:12:27 oh 17:12:37 god, that sounds awful =P 17:14:07 *can* fire crabs spit through grates? 17:14:17 because if they can i might take the time to make that vault 17:14:37 Yeah I think lobster trapping lair won't work without a redesign of orc to some extent 17:14:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk: my thought was to put Orc back above Lair 17:15:11 |amethyst: Orc's depth has little to do with branch order 17:15:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:15:24 A very typical route is Lair->Orc->Lair Branch 17:15:30 with portions of D interleaved 17:15:34 yeah, i'm not saying the idea is bad a priori, but given the current way the dungeon is designed you are really encouraged to do lair->orc->d:15->come back to lair for runes 17:15:47 <|amethyst> yeah, I should say "to encourage doing Orc before entering Lair" 17:16:13 <|amethyst> while not strictly requiring it 17:16:20 Right, but the order in which you do Orc has way more to do with the difficulty of the monsters in there 17:16:41 <|amethyst> another possibility would be to put Orc inside Lair 17:16:44 -!- Zicher has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:48 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:16:54 So moving Orc shallower has very little significance compared to the significance of lobster trap 17:17:01 that seems like a lot of nesting 17:17:05 since elf is already inside orc 17:17:09 unless you move elf 17:17:21 <|amethyst> or, as Lasty suggested, to assume you will do Orc after lair, and turn all the orcs into orc knights or something 17:17:41 That's why I say it'd have to come with a redesign of orc 17:18:14 It's certainly not as easy as orc warrior->orc knight, but yeah less overall popcorn is certainly something people want in orc regardless 17:18:22 well....the way orc works though.... 17:18:23 yeah 17:18:25 putting orc inside lair seems wrong because orcs are not beasts 17:18:27 i think the existing lock works pretty okay, i'm not sure it needs to be stricter especially 17:18:39 <|amethyst> amalloy: neither are merfolk :/ 17:18:45 i mean, a lot of popcorn is annoying, but orc ramps up pretty quickly in difficulty 17:18:47 -!- Mushboom has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:11 |amethyst: Other places might work with lobster trap: Zot (wrt the orb), Tomb, Hell branches 17:19:13 |amethyst: but the crawl universe is very racist. fish-people might as well not be people 17:19:13 and the vaults entry lock fits a lot better thematically, as well as being a bit neater to communicate 17:19:19 like, you can be totally find and then suddenly discover that you're not prepared for a couple of knights with xbows, or a couple of high priests, or whatever 17:19:39 Tomb would be cute thematically since there's kind of an "ancient trap" vibe 17:20:01 oh yeah hell branches could use something like that, i think my old idea for them was just to not put you on a portal when you go down each floor 17:20:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: could solve a commonly-noted problem with Tomb add the lock on every stair 17:20:26 haha, that's the extreme approach, yeah 17:20:27 <|amethyst> s/add/and add/ 17:20:29 |amethyst: if this were ever going to be merged i imagine you'd want to be more consistend about "rune" vs "rune of Zot" 17:20:34 Quick issue here: when I run checkwhite it modifies every file. Is this some CRLF issue or something? 17:20:37 <|amethyst> amalloy: probably 17:20:45 MarvinPA and/or grunt has proposed just using hatches with the up-hatches not trivial to get to 17:20:46 <|amethyst> Mushboom: yes, there's a setting for Windows git you need 17:20:54 that was my tomb proposal yeah 17:21:53 <|amethyst> Mushboom: git config --global core.autocrlf false 17:22:15 <|amethyst> Mushboom: you might need to reset or do a git checkout afterwards 17:22:51 <|amethyst> (I think you can also set that on a per-repository basis, if you work on other projects where you do want the CRLF conversion) 17:24:11 Strange, I just changed the autocrlf value and ran clearwhite again... same issue 17:24:24 Checkwhite, rather 17:24:33 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:59 bug or feature: "Asterion conjures a destructive force in the name of Yredelemnul!" (enslaved) 17:25:21 <|amethyst> Mushboom: probably you have to do a fresh checkout then 17:25:36 Hard reset fixed it. Thank you :) 17:25:46 rchandra: sort-of-feature i think 17:26:16 thanks. it's amusing and sort of makes sense so I wasn't sure 17:26:46 <|amethyst> We could require Makhleb worship to cast major destruction, but IMO that would be even more surprising 17:29:48 it's pretty hard to have an enslaved soul under makhleb though 17:30:57 <|amethyst> right, I mean in general 17:31:20 <|amethyst> alternatively, to strip priestly spells on enslavement 17:31:29 <|amethyst> s/enslavement/soul enslavement/ 17:31:44 that makes the ability both worse and more confusing 17:31:46 by a lot 17:31:46 <|amethyst> yeah 17:31:56 <|amethyst> That's what I meant by "even more surprising" 17:32:59 the other option is to just have him pray to the original god, who just doesn't care that his soul is enslaved 17:33:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:33:24 <|amethyst> that's a little complicated, because we'd have to record two gods per monster 17:33:39 that makes things complicated internally i think, a bunch of places assume that all your followers worship yred, yeah 17:33:42 <|amethyst> the fact that his new god is Yred is important for things like Recall 17:33:43 then making no change seems best 17:34:28 <|amethyst> yeah, I think the current situation of questionable but clear flavour, with clear mechanics, is better than having more consistent flavour at the expense of clarity/predictibility of the mechanic 17:34:59 <|amethyst> obviously that is not a categorical imperative of crawl development, or half the game wouldn't exit 17:35:02 <|amethyst> exist 17:35:23 <|amethyst> but at least we should lean more towards that end of things than nethack does :) 17:35:46 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:42 -!- Mushboom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:15 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:58 ??nethack[3] 17:42:58 nethack[3/5]: Design principle 1: If in doubt, do it unlike Nethack and D&D. 17:43:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:09 Well I'm adding item-stealing nymphs as a special unrevertable commit right after 0.18 is branched anyway 17:44:50 using git commit --permanent 17:45:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:46:01 just make maurice a siren 17:46:30 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:51 heh 17:48:03 Added a simple arrival vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9955 by Mushboom 17:50:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:37 rchandra: Funny, that never even occured to me, but you could indeed approximate a nethack nymph that way 17:51:01 I wonder if his steal ability has been spellified 17:51:06 @??maurice 17:51:06 Maurice (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 60 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 910(steal) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 469 | Sp: invisibility, swiftness, blink, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:51:14 seems not 17:52:54 hrm, some errors in that vault 17:53:02 -!- Kanbei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:16 Well I guess not an error, but a poor choice of glyph 17:54:49 oh, heh, there is an error with the weight 17:55:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:55:06 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:33 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:15 -!- danharaj has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:01:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it's not a spell, it's an AF 18:01:52 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:02:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: which is just as good for sirens but I guess not for MfAv 18:02:16 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:23 oh yeah, I see 18:02:29 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:19 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:04:46 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:34 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:46 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1837-g7c6a762 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joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:11 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:53 gammafunk: yeah, it was MarvinPA's idea; iirc my contribution to the discussion was saying that it was doable with some minor code changes, or very tenuously possible w/o them 19:03:23 I doubt it would get a lot of cheers from players, but if they were placed carefully tomb would potentially be more interesting 19:03:55 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:04:25 !lm * recent br.enter=hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb s=br / lg:br=$noun o=% 19:04:29 4210/65532 milestones for * (recent br.enter=hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb): 541/6354x Tomb [8.51%], 2558/32549x Pan [7.86%], 311/4728x Dis [6.58%], 263/4433x Coc [5.93%], 261/4560x Geh [5.72%], 108/4542x Tar [2.38%], 168/8366x Hell [2.01%] 19:04:52 wow, hadn't realized that tomb is already among the more fatal 19:05:01 I guess that's in part do to its location 19:05:18 !lm * recent br.enter=hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb xl>=25 s=br / lg:br=$noun o=% 19:05:21 3660/60992 milestones for * (recent br.enter=hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb xl>=25): 2345/31619x Pan [7.42%], 370/5272x Tomb [7.02%], 280/4597x Dis [6.09%], 252/4375x Coc [5.76%], 249/4481x Geh [5.56%], 96/4426x Tar [2.17%], 68/6222x Hell [1.09%] 19:05:38 !lm * recent br.enter=slime|hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb xl>=25 s=br / lg:br=$noun o=% 19:05:42 4068/67666 milestones for * (recent br.enter=slime|hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb xl>=25): 2345/31619x Pan [7.42%], 370/5272x Tomb [7.02%], 408/6674x Slime [6.11%], 280/4597x Dis [6.09%], 252/4375x Coc [5.76%], 249/4481x Geh [5.56%], 96/4426x Tar [2.17%], 68/6222x Hell [1.09%] 19:06:23 Well do players *really* have the right to loot all of those fabulous ancient treasures anyhow? 19:07:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:07:36 !lm devteamnp br.enter=slime|hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb xl>=25 s=br / lg:br=$noun o=% 19:07:45 145/4342 milestones for devteamnp (br.enter=slime|hell|pan|coc|tar|dis|geh|tomb xl>=25): 58/891x Pan [6.51%], 23/395x Tomb [5.82%], 15/353x Geh [4.25%], 15/425x Dis [3.53%], 11/334x Coc [3.29%], 12/521x Slime [2.30%], 7/357x Tar [1.96%], 4/547x Hell [0.73%], 0/518x D [0.00%], 0/1x Lair [0.00%] 19:08:19 hrm, what are those D and Lair milestones doing there 19:08:26 <|amethyst> gammafunk: fr: after obtaining the golden rune, government agents come after you for theft of antiquities. 19:08:36 tombpursuit? 19:08:46 ??panpursuit 19:08:46 I don't have a page labeled panpursuit in my learndb. 19:08:51 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09:12 <|amethyst> kops and robbers 19:10:28 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:10:28 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 19:12:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 19:13:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:52 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:38 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Client Quit] 19:16:15 -!- tingol has 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My ultimate goal is still to run the frontpage on dcssgame.com 19:27:29 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:48 don't we also have dcss.com? 19:28:02 oh guess no 19:28:24 were you thinking of the museum site? 19:28:40 the site admin isn't interested in replacing the site, iirc from the channel logs 19:28:41 there was some other url someone registered 19:29:11 well, I basically just want a toplevel domain for the site's homepage, I would happily use something else as good as /better than dcssgame.com 19:29:50 Yeah, I guess that's a thing we could have; not sure how much it really matters though 19:30:54 An org seems more appropriate at least 19:31:27 Perhaps the use of com vs net vs org isn't an issue like it was a decade or two ago 19:31:58 I think it's either com or fancy-new-tld these days 19:32:02 crawl.io 19:32:15 dcss.horse please 19:33:37 I guess the big question is: what' the preferable name? dcss or crawl or ... 19:34:00 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:34:03 once you pick that, there will be enough suffixes where it's available that we can use it 19:35:50 cra.wl 19:36:00 works for youtu.be 19:36:17 dcss is probably the best thing to refer to, now that there's a "roguelite" named crawl 19:36:31 cr.aw/l ? 19:36:46 gammafunk: nah, we should stick with crawl because screw those guys. 19:37:03 They'll probably call their next game 'Rogue' 19:37:21 "Rogue is a roguelikelikelite" 19:37:24 oh hey, .game 19:37:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:37:34 after that, they'll move on to Nethack 19:38:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:43 dcss.game is $45/mo 19:40:18 wow, a month 19:40:33 we should just buy a TLD. It's only $150k 19:40:43 'only' 19:41:15 cszo.crawl 19:41:33 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:08 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:38 <|amethyst> dc-ss.org exists 19:42:50 <|amethyst> I can transfer it to someone if they want it 19:42:58 <|amethyst> right now it just points to CDO 19:43:15 <_miek> crawl.com is just being used by a domain sitter lol 19:43:37 <|amethyst> yeah, but buying a short english word from a domain squatter is expensive 19:43:52 <|amethyst> and it's not like we have or could get a trademark on Crawl 19:44:17 <|amethyst> (or even Dungeon Crawl, because of http://www.goodman-games.com/dungeoncrawlclassics.html for example) 19:45:06 <_miek> yeah 19:45:23 <_miek> although possibly you could argue that a computer game vs. a tabletop rpg is a different field 19:45:47 good luck with that 19:45:54 <|amethyst> Given the history of roguelikes, I don't think you could convince a judge or jury of that 19:46:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:17 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:46:49 dungeoncrawl.org is still happy to sit on his page? 19:47:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:48:38 <|amethyst> oh, need to remember to renew s-z.org sometime in the next 9 months 19:48:55 <|amethyst> dobrazupa.org is good until 2022 and dc-ss.org until 2020 19:49:03 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:44 re computer vs. tabletop games, I think hasbro already covered that one? 19:50:59 <|amethyst> yeah, neverwinter nights 19:51:05 <|amethyst> etc etc 19:51:10 <|amethyst> the SSI games long before that 19:51:25 bh: yes, that's the one I was thinking of 19:52:11 but yeah, how about I register dcss.game next month when it goes into general availability? 19:52:16 or crawl.game 19:52:21 up to you 19:52:38 $45/mo is absurd 19:52:45 <|amethyst> yeah 19:53:05 -!- Guest33154 is now known as fazisi 19:53:09 <|amethyst> I don't pay that much a year 19:53:30 <|amethyst> (for DNS; hosting is another matter) 19:55:43 sorry.. /yr 19:56:28 <|amethyst> ah, that's more reasonable... still a bit of a premium, but eh 19:58:44 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:53 yeah, but per year I don't really mind 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:27 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:03:06 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04:04 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:17 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:11:00 The most important takeway from this discussion is that you follow gammafunk on twitch 20:11:34 especially since I realized I had already registered gammafunk after having started to use gammafunkdcss, so I lost those followers I got in the last few days 20:12:55 Not to mention the one video I had of a somewhat interesting mibe 20:17:21 oh you stream? 20:17:25 http://sprunge.us/NTfK 0001-More-Donald-responses.patch 20:17:55 that url has a space 20:18:00 it makes me sad 20:18:13 oh I see 20:18:16 <|amethyst> no, there is a space between the ... 20:18:58 <|amethyst> chequers: the "pair of shoes" line isn't a reference to mimics 20:19:06 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:18 <|amethyst> chequers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moccasin 20:19:43 <|amethyst> oh right 20:20:04 >-@The_monster@ says, "At least you won't get hungry." 20:20:10 Well, this one's outdated. 20:20:15 <|amethyst> chequers: nm, forgot that water moccasins were removed from Snake 20:20:29 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:37 i was accidentally right! 20:20:49 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:21:02 Ah, the - is for removal, right? 20:21:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:21:08 <|amethyst> yeah 20:21:24 <|amethyst> + for additions, and space for context lines that aren't changing 20:23:22 for for sprunge: http://sprunge.us/NTfK?diff 20:23:26 gives you a diff view 20:23:43 doesn't do a lot, just colorizes 20:23:53 and line numbers 20:29:24 -!- gammafunk is now known as beemell 20:31:11 -!- beemell is now known as Beemell 20:32:15 -!- Beemell is now known as gammafunk 20:35:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:40:05 want a PR for the patch? 20:40:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 20:44:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:51 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:50:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:01 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:54:19 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:34 03chequers02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.17-a0-1838-g891d947: More Donald responses. 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/891d947a3caa 20:56:56 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:13 a chequered vocabulary 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:57 dad please 21:00:57 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:01:51 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02:31 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12:14 -!- frobop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:18:05 -!- Ripplez has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:18:47 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:20 %git :/eath..age 21:19:21 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2037-g6a8c039: Axe spell: Call Lost Soul. 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 9 files, 8+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a8c03981e12 21:19:37 -!- jakub_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:06 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:24:12 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25:12 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:26:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:30 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:30:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:32:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:33:36 was thinking of adding a message to every branch entry "welcome to the spider nest. At the bottom lies the gossamer rune!" 21:33:46 this tells newbies where runes are. opinions? 21:35:37 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:37:20 that will be very confusing as they enter swamp 21:37:31 <|amethyst> :P 21:37:32 seems reaonable enough 21:37:59 <|amethyst> Should have no, or a different, message if the player already has the rune 21:38:05 <|amethyst> "At the bottom lay the decaying rune, but somebody already got it." 21:38:08 I assumed it was on first entry only 21:38:34 <|amethyst> hm, that is a question, first entry or every entry without a rune. 21:38:56 <|amethyst> someone might miss it the first time 21:39:08 <|amethyst> OTOH it would probably read better to at least have different messages 21:39:32 <|amethyst> "Welcome back to the Spider Nest. The gossamer rune still awaits you at the bottom." 21:40:27 <|amethyst> OTOH it still lacks in one respect 21:40:30 if a trove seeks a demon blade, can I give it a eudemon blade? 21:40:54 <|amethyst> if it's aimed at newbies, it doesn't tell them that entering Lair is getting them closer, but entering Orc is not 21:41:11 <|amethyst> but a recursive message might be a bit much 21:41:28 <|amethyst> rchandra: I don't think so 21:41:36 thanks 21:41:50 gammafunk, the web page still looks wrong in firefox! 21:41:58 yeah 21:41:58 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:42:02 !messages 21:42:02 (1/2) Beemell said (1m 53s ago): hi 21:42:05 !messages 21:42:05 (1/1) Beemell said (1m 34s ago): ok 21:42:27 chequers: ping? firefox still kaput apparently wrt image alignment 21:43:04 gosh I never know which of you to ping 21:43:41 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:19 I'm the one you follow on twitch 21:44:32 * Grunt twitches 21:44:36 gammafunk: gah what 21:44:41 also my apologies if anyone gets messages from Beemell 21:44:47 The page could not be found, or has been deleted by its owner. 21:44:51 that's my irc->webtiles chat bot, it just started working 21:45:04 n1k: it's just "gammafunk" not "gammafunkdcss" 21:45:09 oh 21:45:12 beemell stop spamming 21:45:21 stop spamming it pubby! 21:45:22 bad bot no biscuit 21:45:35 bad god, no bishop! 21:45:36 I'm not sure what to do about !tell 21:45:38 * geekosaur thinks BML and shudders a bit 21:45:41 !cmd !tell 21:45:41 Built-in: !tell => https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/commands/message/tell.pl 21:45:47 oh it's a builtin 21:45:47 !tell Sequell hi 21:45:48 Sorry Grunt, I don't know who sequell is. 21:45:51 oh you have the chat bot working? how does it work? 21:45:54 that's good, I can just disallow that one 21:45:54 do you tell it a game to join? 21:45:55 !tell Grunt rip 21:45:55 Grunt: OK, I'll let grunt know. 21:45:57 ... 21:45:58 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:45:58 chequers: yeah 21:46:09 !seen Grunt 21:46:09 Sorry Grunt, that person is dead. 21:46:16 !messages 21:46:17 (1/2) Beemell said (4m 51s ago): use pubby you ass 21:46:25 chequers: it joines freenode on irc, logs ini on a webtiles account (currently "beem" on webtiles, "Beemell" on freenod) and watches a user 21:46:31 !messages 21:46:31 (1/1) Beemell said (4m 59s ago): he doesn't meen it 21:46:47 meen bot? 21:46:54 and takes sequell/monster queries from webtiles chat, forwards them to sequell/gretell, gives the response back in webtiles chat 21:47:33 gammafunk: https://crawl.develz.org/js/dcss.js is out of date 21:47:44 chequers: can I just copy it? 21:47:48 I probably forgot to do that 21:48:02 Copy it from the version in the repo, I mean 21:48:08 do I need any cdo modifications to it 21:48:32 <+|amethyst> if it's aimed at newbies, it doesn't tell them that entering Lair is getting them closer, but entering Orc is not <-- good point 21:48:35 no, you don't 21:49:04 <+|amethyst> hm, that is a question, first entry or every entry without a rune. <-- i was assuming first entry, and a by-default --more-- prompt that experienced players can disable 21:49:08 -!- Demise_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:50:13 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:50:48 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:27 "You have entered the Lair of the Beasts!" "You have entered The Vaults! The silver rune lies at the bottom." --or-- "You have entered the Lair of the Beasts! You can sense three runes below." "You have entered The Vaults! The silver rune lies below and you can sense another rune below." 21:53:42 "You have entered" vs "Welcome to" 21:55:20 js/dcss.js has been updated on cdo 21:55:41 n1k: maybe refresh or otherwise make sure you're not used a cached page and try again? 21:56:29 good 21:56:32 with my ff 21:59:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:51 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:06:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:53 -!- buppy is now known as beem 22:08:02 -!- beem is now known as buppy 22:09:43 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:09:56 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 22:15:14 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 22:18:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:24 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:22:01 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:24:11 |amethyst: can !tell be called from a subcommand? 22:24:31 I guess this is more of a ##crawl-sequell question 22:25:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:29:59 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:22 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:16 does hte game track which branches have been entered anywhere? 22:35:35 milestones probably 22:35:47 but i dunno if those are just serverside 22:36:23 * geekosaur thought it did, at least for lua, and that was one of the breakages caused by Pan-the-unique? 22:36:24 ah yes it seems so, in stairs.cc 22:36:51 (because lua-side was storing branches and uniques in the same thing for some reason) 22:38:47 I thought we removed all of Pan 22:38:48 <_< >_> 22:38:56 I thought I did! 22:39:00 it was my first commit... 22:41:25 -!- tksquared has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:20 gammafunk, looks good 22:42:42 Yeah I do, don't I? *holds up a phantom mirror* 22:44:06 !lg sgrunt 22:44:07 1385. SGrunt the Inventor (L12 KoAr of Pakellas), blasted by a lindwurm (blast of flame) on Lair:3 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2014-12-28 22:23:43, with 18150 points after 20581 turns and 0:51:12. 22:44:42 !lg beemell x=src 22:44:43 1. [src=cszo] Beemell the Insei (L1 HOMo), slain by an ooze on D:1 on 2015-09-15 02:40:31, with 0 points after 38 turns and 0:00:05. 22:45:24 Grunt: if you have a sec, log into Dynast's game on cszo and type a sequell/gretell command 22:46:29 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:54:17 how do I convert a string to char * ? 22:54:52 .c_str() 22:56:01 yeah 22:56:33 chequers: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/ 22:56:53 since it's std::string 22:58:40 <|amethyst> but don't do that to a temp string 22:58:49 <|amethyst> or rather 22:59:01 <|amethyst> but don't do that to a temp string if you're going to save the char * 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:20 <|amethyst> e.g. mprf("blah %s", some_func().c_str()); is fine, as is string str = some_func(); const char *msg = str.c_str(); , but const char *msg = some_func().c_str(); is not 23:00:41 I think i'm doing the former? mprf(branch_runes(branch).c_str()); 23:00:57 http://sprunge.us/eXgJ?diff 23:00:57 <|amethyst> err, exactly that? 23:01:09 exactly that 23:01:14 <|amethyst> then use mpr() 23:01:15 heh, yeah don't do exactly that if you're using mprf 23:01:29 since you're not formatting anything 23:01:30 that will hopefully fix the stairs.cc:744:22: warning: format string is not a string literal (potentially insecure) [-Wformat-security] 23:01:34 f = format? 23:01:37 yep 23:01:37 <|amethyst> with mprf the first argument should almost always be a literal 23:01:41 <|amethyst> yeah, f as in printf 23:02:17 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 23:02:20 <|amethyst> what you wrote would work as long as the message had no percent signs 23:02:47 mpr works with no warning 23:03:09 <|amethyst> and mpr has an overload that takes a string so you don't need the .c_str() either 23:03:10 how do I add a by-default --more--? Do I edit the default init.txt? 23:03:16 <|amethyst> but it is legal 23:03:21 even better 23:03:31 <|amethyst> chequers: dat/defaults/messages.txt 23:03:51 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:46 does that format use full regex? 23:05:57 if i want to match rune & runes, should I use rune. or rune.* 23:06:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:57 <|amethyst> rune.* or runes? or such 23:07:15 <|amethyst> it's either egrep-style or perl-compatible, depending on platform, contribs, etc 23:07:19 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:10:23 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:11:22 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:14:18 thanks for the help lads 23:14:36 just highlighting the message rather than adding a --more-- prompt 23:17:04 New branch created: pull/111 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/111 23:17:04 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/111 * 0.17-a0-1838-g3e8d417: Mention branch rune on player entry. 10(14 hours ago, 4 files, 11+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e8d41780a45 23:19:33 doesn't work for pan/abyss but I figure that's alright 23:19:42 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:21:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:43 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:55 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:22 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:31 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:52 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:52 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:52 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:52 -!- khearn1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:52 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:30:43 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:44 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:38:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:39:43 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:40:04 -!- khearn1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:40:46 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:43:03 pan mentions runes when the player enters the floors anyway, chequers 23:44:30 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:49:10 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:55:25 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:56:13 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:46 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev