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WereVolvo the Bewitcher (L16 SpEn of Ashenzari), hit from afar by a thorn hunter (volley of thorns) on Swamp:2 (nicolae_swamp_phyte_club) on 2015-04-03 09:29:49, with 117275 points after 43445 turns and 2:17:53. 00:07:24 your kills/day is being crushed by juggernauts 00:10:16 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1760-ga6756ae (34) 00:14:57 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:17:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:36 .jugged 00:18:38 5. noobcanoe the Impaler (L24 MfAK of Lugonu), annihilated by a juggernaut on Depths:4 (grunt_profane_halls) on 2015-09-03 04:09:45, with 459386 points after 65660 turns and 5:27:30. 00:18:44 one? 00:18:46 not a lot 00:18:53 but hey that's the first one I think 00:18:56 .jugged s=killer 00:18:57 5 games for * (killer~~juggernaut killer!~~ghost): 3x a juggernaut skeleton, a juggernaut, a juggernaut zombie 00:19:01 yeah 00:19:41 .jugged -log 00:19:42 5. noobcanoe, XL24 MfAK, T:65660: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/noobcanoe/morgue-noobcanoe-20150903-040945.txt 00:20:52 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 00:20:58 .jugged -tv 00:20:59 5. noobcanoe, XL24 MfAK, T:65660 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:22:13 nice -56 00:27:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:36:24 -!- Undo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:41:54 -!- fbafelipe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:31 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:16 -!- Undo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:28 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:57:00 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:57:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:20 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:58:45 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:38 -!- Undo_ is now known as Undo 01:01:40 .jugged x=dam 01:01:41 5. [dam=85] noobcanoe the Impaler (L24 MfAK of Lugonu), annihilated by a juggernaut on Depths:4 (grunt_profane_halls) on 2015-09-03 04:09:45, with 459386 points after 65660 turns and 5:27:30. 01:02:13 .jugged max=dam x=dam 01:02:13 5. [dam=86] binmo the Protected (L14 GrBe of Trog), annihilated by a juggernaut skeleton on D:15 (gammafunk_depths_entry_grave) on 2015-09-01 18:57:11, with 39177 points after 13083 turns and 1:29:09. 01:05:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1760-ga6756ae (34) 01:05:56 !cmd .jugged 01:05:56 Command: .jugged => !lg * killer~~juggernaut killer!~~ghost $* 01:06:48 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:09:27 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:16:18 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:33:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:49 .jugged -tv 01:33:50 5. noobcanoe, XL24 MfAK, T:65660 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:34:34 -!- xtwv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:00 .jugged -2 -tv 01:35:01 4/5. sanka, XL21 CeHu, T:53831 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:35:52 well 01:35:57 .jugged -3 -tv 01:35:58 3/5. Dazguss, XL22 DEFE, T:61670 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:42:01 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:43:30 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:47:09 -!- Gorgo_1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:51:31 !lg . ikiller=saint_roka 01:51:32 No games for gammafunk (ikiller=saint_roka). 01:51:38 !lg . ikiller~~saint_roka 01:51:38 No games for gammafunk (ikiller~~saint_roka). 02:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:36 -!- Undo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:07:09 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:16:54 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâ€¦] 02:17:04 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:46 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:56 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:17 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:29:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:31:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46:26 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:48:21 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:56:34 -!- krm__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:58:56 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1761-gebe452c: Use a flat distribution for Juggernaut monster placement 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebe452c6885c 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:59 gammafunk: what factors lead towards deciding on a distribution shape for placing a monster? i can't think of any particular reason to prefer flat over mid, or vice versa 03:05:39 amalloy: yeah, it's a bit of a dark art and we don't have the best tools to reason about the mon-pick-data.h structs but 03:06:13 basically you just want to think of over what range you want to see said monster in the given branch 03:06:23 you have more to reason with if the weight of this monster is high 03:06:31 for rare things like juggernauts, shrikes 03:06:44 the dist is very often just flat and you pick a narrow in-game range (and add ood) 03:07:06 probably the most interesting use of the dists is in e.g. the sack of spiders 03:07:20 DrKe and I had to just puzzle over that one a bunch, and I set up a spreadsheet for it 03:07:38 but if the weight is low, it's rarely good to use anything but flat generally 03:07:41 <|amethyst> the problem with the population system is that the "distribution" has little to do with the actual probability distribution 03:07:48 right 03:08:04 <|amethyst> because it depends on how many other monsters are available for the same level (and their weights) 03:08:36 what I'd love to do (beyond reforming the entire system) is have some google code to take each of the pop_foo entries from mon-pick-data.h parse it, and upload it to a google sheet 03:08:53 that was a version of the dist sheet that hangeman began (which we've used a couple times) 03:09:02 so you can see the final probs for each monster in each level 03:09:34 then you could tweak the dist in sheet and the weight and see the result and come up with better values 03:09:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:17 but maybe some other system entirely would be better 03:10:23 on the crawl side, I mean 03:10:38 there's also the fact that we'd like some system like this for items as well 03:10:44 <|amethyst> yeah 03:11:26 and then the use of vaults that have a big impact on the actual in-game numbers complicates the situation again 03:11:33 <|amethyst> the current system is based around the idea that the total number of spawns you get is independent of how many monsters you have to choose from 03:12:02 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure that's a good way to do things 03:12:16 hrm, isn't that largely true? 03:12:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12:35 <|amethyst> yes 03:12:42 <|amethyst> I'm not saying that we're modelling it wrong 03:12:49 ah ok 03:13:06 <|amethyst> (though we have kind of been getting away from that ever since we discovered putting MONS_NO_MONSTER in the population list) 03:13:15 heh, yeah 03:13:30 at least we solve that on the monster spell/ability side of things 03:13:35 *solved 03:13:57 rip SPELL_MELEE 03:13:58 <|amethyst> I mean, the current way does mean we can tweak whatever and know that the number of monsters will be the same 03:14:01 <|amethyst> but 03:14:19 <|amethyst> rarely does it matter whether the number of monsters is the same 03:14:33 <|amethyst> since they're of such wildly varying difficulties 03:14:47 it's really help a lot if devs could just at least see the prob of any given monster on any given level easilly 03:14:55 given the pop_ structure 03:15:15 we do have something like objstat, at least, but that's not exactly a solution 03:15:47 well and you can just do the math yourself kind of, or load values into a spreadsheet manually, but for something like D, U, and L that's really time consuming 03:16:10 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1761-gebe452c (34) 03:16:11 amalloy: by the way check out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mVwiwKSBWuKnyNH6sA6YiNzJHrtqFV0mheMZPcXODMw/edit#gid=25 03:16:21 which is what I made when DrKe and I were overhauling pop_spiders 03:17:11 that's even different than monster placement, since evocations skill determines the number of monsters created (the second set of rows you see below the first under "Number") 03:17:32 so it shows the prob as well as the numbers you get per evocation as evocations skill increases 03:18:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:18:30 for that it was fairly simple; think about how you want various bugs to appear over what range of evocations 03:18:40 weaker bugs at lower evo, stronger ones at higher 03:19:05 <|amethyst> Replace Lugonu's 6* with Corrupt Memory 03:19:33 How about we add minflayers 03:19:38 *mindflayers 03:19:45 or minflayers and maxflayers I guess 03:19:58 <|amethyst> I was thinking the other kind of memory 03:20:03 min and max have been the source of many a bug after all! 03:20:07 <|amethyst> re stronger bugs at higher evocations 03:20:25 yeah I was punning off of memory I guess 03:20:32 <|amethyst> ah, sorry 03:20:34 made me think of the thing in nethack where you have amnesia 03:20:44 <|amethyst> @??maud 03:20:44 and forget spells and the map etc 03:20:44 unknown monster: "maudÂ" 03:21:01 <|amethyst> stupid gretell 03:21:03 weird 03:21:04 Maud (05@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 118 | AC/EV: 9/7 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 1747 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:21:04 <|amethyst> %??maud 03:21:17 <|amethyst> weirder 03:21:30 <|amethyst> did I strip out everything that's not a letter? 03:22:30 <|amethyst> hm 03:22:35 Maud (05@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 118 | AC/EV: 9/7 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 1747 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:22:35 <|amethyst> %??maud 03:22:43 unknown monster: "maud¥" 03:22:43 <|amethyst> %??maud¥ 03:22:53 unknown monster: "maudâ€¦" 03:22:53 <|amethyst> %??maudâ€¦ 03:22:58 unknown monster: "mau d" 03:22:58 <|amethyst> %??mau d 03:23:08 unknown monster: "orc wizard" 03:23:08 <|amethyst> %??orc wizard 03:23:22 unknown monster: " maud" 03:23:22 <|amethyst> %?? maud 03:23:41 <|amethyst> weird, not seeing what would make it ignore a nbsp at the end 03:25:55 <|amethyst> but, yeah, it's not clear to me how to make the pop lists themselves both 1. transparent as to probabilities on different floors 2. easy to specify 03:26:56 <|amethyst> I guess the "weight" could instead be an expected number of monsters per level or something 03:27:46 yeah, but then how does the dist come into play 03:28:07 <|amethyst> same as it currently does 03:28:15 I guess you can think about it a little clearer if you're changing the weight if you don't have some integer 03:28:30 but instead have...well I guess it'd have to be a float but that's pretty odd 03:28:39 <|amethyst> or an integer out of a thousand 03:28:39 many many monsters have an expected value that's fractional 03:28:41 right 03:29:09 <|amethyst> one big problem is that it's unclear what "expected number of monsters per level" means for OOD 03:29:56 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:29:57 well if the numeric value represents something like "how many of these do you want if you're generating a thousand monsters" 03:30:04 does that really change for ood ranges? 03:30:21 <|amethyst> but that's not quite the same thing 03:30:51 <|amethyst> what would happen if the numbers summed up to over 1000? 03:30:54 <|amethyst> or under 1000? 03:30:54 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:31:01 <|amethyst> we'd be back to the current system 03:31:13 I assume we'd have to enforce this sum, yeah 03:31:23 but that's awkward to enter I guess 03:31:35 <|amethyst> doing that with the dists or even with level ranges is... not easy 03:31:44 yeah good point 03:31:56 <|amethyst> Imagine taking the current numbers and making it sum to 1000 for every level 03:32:05 <|amethyst> it's essentially what you'd have to do 03:32:57 Well fwiw I don't think the branch data -> spreadsheet thing will be incredibly hard, just need to get around to doing it, google's app code isn't too hard to use 03:33:02 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:33:36 -!- copt has quit [] 03:34:48 <|amethyst> IMO generate it in CSV-with-Excel-formulas or ODS or something 03:34:54 <|amethyst> and have a second script to upload that 03:36:19 well it's much easier to do the sheet manipulations in "google script" 03:36:26 it's what I do with objstat upload 03:36:45 they have functions for all the manipulations; automating ods is pretty weird 03:36:51 er libreoffice 03:37:02 <|amethyst> I was thinking something like Perl Spreadsheet::WriteExcel 03:37:08 ah, maybe 03:37:29 if google sheets can import it sanely, yeah 03:37:33 <|amethyst> The job is essentially taking a template with formulas and pasting in raw data, I imagine 03:37:57 yes but you have to assign formulas to variable row numbers 03:38:21 well what I mean is, you don't know how many rows there will be ahead of time 03:38:23 -!- Ipsum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:45 <|amethyst> right, so you have to have something that understands relative references well enough to copy-paste them 03:38:53 <|amethyst> hm 03:38:54 right, that's the only maybe tricky part 03:39:04 and it's not really bad or anything 03:39:07 just some iteration 03:39:43 <|amethyst> hm 03:40:10 <|amethyst> Spreadsheet::WriteExcel seems to have the old limits of 65536*256 03:40:44 <|amethyst> I guess nothing here would need 256 columns 03:40:46 you probably want Excel::Writer::XLSX 03:41:03 <|amethyst> ah 03:41:11 <|amethyst> wasn't aware of that 03:41:56 maybe the perl ods writing module(s) are also good 03:42:33 <|amethyst> if google docs will load CSV files with formulas in them that might be the easiest, except I guess you can't do much about formatting then 03:42:48 perl's excel writing modules are generally pretty solid 03:42:50 not sure if it can do that 03:44:08 you could certainly make a special csv format with a formula though 03:44:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:44:24 and have google script in a google app parse it and make a sheet 03:45:02 Excel::Writer::XLSX can generate .xlsx files with formulas directly 03:45:26 <|amethyst> trying to avoid microsoft standards here :P 03:45:29 yeah, google sheet should be fine for importing xlsx and their formulas 03:45:34 <|amethyst> but from Perl that probably is the best 03:45:56 what about ods, not good support? 03:46:19 never tried ods, but considering that ~nobody uses it, i can't imagine it's as well supported 03:46:25 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:46:45 well libreoffice is popular enough, and sheets imports ods just fine (and exports fine to ods) 03:46:57 <|amethyst> most of my spreadsheets that don't come from somebody else (and aren't csv) are .gnumeric anyway :) 03:47:03 haha 03:47:17 yeah I remember gnumeric, that was one of the best gnome apps 03:47:27 in the early gnome days 03:47:28 <|amethyst> but it's pretty common to use libreoffice and just always save as excel 03:48:53 nice thing about doing fully locally with e.g. perl is there's nothing in particular needed on the google side 03:49:21 I could probably do what I do with objstat with perl as well, but perl :( 03:52:15 oh hey: http://pythonhosted.org/pyexcel-ods/ 03:52:47 supports ods apparently 03:53:37 hrm, not seeing any mention of formulas though 03:54:21 in my experience, the python spreadsheet manipulation modules are barely more functional than csv 03:54:59 oh, really 03:55:43 well for this thing, it's pretty simple what we actually need. Just the placement of formulas in various cells 03:56:07 but perhaps you can't even make formula entries in cells with that thing 03:56:54 wow 03:56:56 .jugged 03:56:56 6. RepHenryClay the Conqueror (L27 MiMo of Makhleb), slain by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:23 on 2015-09-03 07:29:37, with 1027447 points after 110878 turns and 6:05:49. 03:57:01 oh, a zig 03:57:14 well good tv all the same, I'm sure 03:57:25 .jugged -tv:<2 03:57:26 6. RepHenryClay, XL27 MiMo, T:110878 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 03:59:40 woah 03:59:54 .jugged x=dam,tdam 03:59:54 6. [dam=88;tdam=100] RepHenryClay the Conqueror (L27 MiMo of Makhleb), slain by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:23 on 2015-09-03 07:29:37, with 1027447 points after 110878 turns and 6:05:49. 04:00:01 .jugged x=dam,tdam -log 04:00:02 6. RepHenryClay, XL27 MiMo, T:110878: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/RepHenryClay/morgue-RepHenryClay-20150903-072937.txt 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:12 <|amethyst> .jugged rephenryclay 04:00:12 No keyword 'rephenryclay' 04:00:20 <|amethyst> .jugged name=rephenryclay 04:00:21 1. RepHenryClay the Conqueror (L27 MiMo of Makhleb), slain by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:23 on 2015-09-03 07:29:37, with 1027447 points after 110878 turns and 6:05:49. 04:00:29 <|amethyst> oh right 04:00:35 <|amethyst> .cobbed name=rephenryclay 04:00:37 1. RepHenryClay the Sensei (L27 VSMo of Makhleb), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2015-08-21 04:11:41, with 630036 points after 71653 turns and 3:11:19. 04:00:37 .jugged max=sdam x=sdam 04:00:38 6. [sdam=88] RepHenryClay the Conqueror (L27 MiMo of Makhleb), slain by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:23 on 2015-09-03 07:29:37, with 1027447 points after 110878 turns and 6:05:49. 04:00:42 nice 04:00:48 The juggernaut zombie hits you! 04:00:48 The caustic shrike zombie closely misses you. 04:00:48 The juggernaut skeleton hits you!!!! 04:00:48 You die... 04:00:48 Save macros? 04:01:01 the lasty trifecta... 04:01:33 <|amethyst> Looks like his tactics were... 04:01:34 <|amethyst> !glasses 04:01:35 ( â€¢_â€¢)Â Â Â Â ( â€¢_â€¢)>âŒâ– -â– Â Â Â Â (âŒâ– _â– ) 04:01:37 <|amethyst> compromised 04:02:13 I had to go look that up to make sure I got it 04:02:29 <|amethyst> from Kentucky, sorry :) 04:03:09 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:03:16 <|amethyst> his tomb is about a 30 minute walk from my house 04:03:29 <|amethyst> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Henry_Clay%27s_grave_in_Lexington_-_DSC09049.JPG 04:04:09 !tell lasty See .jugged name=rephenryclay and the last three lines in the message log before "You die..." (and see .cobbed 8) 04:04:09 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 04:04:41 Wonder if it houses any juggernaut or caustic shrike zombies or skeletons 04:06:19 !gamesby rephenryclay 04:06:20 rephenryclay has played 896 games, between 2013-09-25 21:54:58 and 2015-09-03 07:29:37, won 45 (5.0%), high score 13632870, total score 193356736, total turns 14807838, play-time/day 1:00:23, total time 29d+17:35:06. 04:06:35 Apparently has lots of time to play crawl in that tomb 04:07:51 these juggernauts sound spooky. maybe i will just never enter depths again 04:08:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:11 0.16 reasons 04:11:22 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 04:11:30 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 04:11:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:39 <|amethyst> oh 04:12:43 <|amethyst> I still hadn't pushed this 04:13:05 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1762-g09a8316: Use the right headers in util/configure. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09a831683719 04:30:43 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 04:35:11 -!- chequers has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:25 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:56:38 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:57:10 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:18 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:15:02 -!- chequers has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:38 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:20:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 05:27:34 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:28:31 -!- FIQ has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 05:29:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:29:40 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:38:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:05 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:14:12 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:24:47 -!- ds_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:33:41 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:35:23 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:47:16 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:49:02 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:39 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:11 -!- bencryption has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:36:04 -!- Zeia2 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 07:38:48 .jugged 07:38:48 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:38:48 6. RepHenryClay the Conqueror (L27 MiMo of Makhleb), slain by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:23 on 2015-09-03 07:29:37, with 1027447 points after 110878 turns and 6:05:49. 07:41:03 gammafunk: fan, RepHenryClay has the absolute worst luck w/ encountering my new monsters... 07:41:12 so it seems! 07:41:21 %git g75d4604 07:41:21 Could not find commit g75d4604 (git returned 128) 07:41:32 %git 1753 07:41:32 Could not find commit 1753 (git returned 128) 07:41:35 hrrm 07:41:39 remove the g 07:41:46 %git 75d4604 07:41:46 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1753-g75d4604: Reword unrand descriptions 10(6 weeks ago, 2 files, 169+ 162-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75d460402e18 07:42:13 oof, one commit short of safety 07:42:53 If only he had updated 07:46:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:57:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:57:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:57:45 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:47 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:14:56 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:20:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:40:15 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45:33 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:47:43 -!- staplegun has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:54:59 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:03:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:00 gammafunk: when are we planning on releasing 0.17? 09:05:00 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:05:02 !messages 09:05:03 (1/2) gammafunk said (14h 44m 23s ago): You wrote re: shield skill req, "I'd like to see these become stepdowned or something of the sort, rather than hard breakpoints on the penalties, the way armour strength requirements were changed." Still planning to do this? 09:05:16 i said i'd like to see it, not that i'd do it ;) 09:05:20 %git asp 09:05:20 Could not find commit asp (git returned 128) 09:05:24 hm 09:06:43 %git shp 09:06:43 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2479-g9c8aac6: In-progress shield work 10(10 months ago, 9 files, 138+ 92-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c8aac645018 09:07:30 it's not really in my todo list though, no 09:07:36 let me guess the next message is from chris? 09:07:38 !messages 09:07:38 (1/1) eoc said (1h 16m 6s ago): hi: could you be re-convinced in any way about #9494? 09:07:43 !!! 09:08:30 are you the only dev he still talks to? 09:08:44 he doesn't even talk to me anymore 09:09:35 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:11:37 whoâ€™s that 09:11:53 ChrisOelmueller 09:12:30 oh 09:16:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:19:30 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 09:21:39 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:28 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:41 -!- mizu_no__ has quit [Client Quit] 09:35:59 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:36:28 <|amethyst> wheals: I am in favour of more options :) 09:37:08 <|amethyst> but I imagine this doesn't work in webtiles? or does it? 09:37:20 he also points out that it just adds consistency with the current option to change the caption colour 09:37:39 so i'd be fine with it, unfortunately git am tells me that the format detection failed? 09:38:23 <|amethyst> hm, weird 09:39:33 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 09:40:17 could be windows nonsense 09:48:06 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:54:23 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:59:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:30 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:10:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:55 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:57 -!- mizu_no__ has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:16:05 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:24:27 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:01 !tell napkin https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=241626#p241626 -- looks like there's a bug in the forum software that's banning tapatalk users erroneously 10:34:02 Lasty_: OK, I'll let napkin know. 10:37:21 fr: forum bug that erroneously bans all users 10:37:27 +1 10:37:33 "erroneously" 10:37:36 forum ban that bugs all users 10:41:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41:42 -!- Kanbei has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:45:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:57 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:50:51 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:50 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:07 -!- Weretaco has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15:25 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:12 -!- teukkam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:28:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:33 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:33:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:35:49 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:41:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:44:48 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:50:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:55 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:11 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:03:49 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:04:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:32 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:08:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:16:26 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:22:27 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:37:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:11 Piety Trove didn't set my character piety to zero. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9933 by nordetsa 12:47:05 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:52:47 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:42 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Such an optimist! 16:45:37 fr: halve all item drops 16:51:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:57:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:39 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:10 Your orange crystal statue grins greedily, jangling a coin purse. 17:09:16 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857: Allow bribing the Dungeon and Depths 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/847a857317e1 17:09:20 new bribe is clearly op 17:10:15 fr Your tentacled starspawn grins greedily, jangling a coin purse. 17:12:34 hmm individual starspawn tentacles are I_HUMAN 17:12:54 i bet that causes terrible things to happen if they're bribable 17:13:04 yessss 17:13:07 The starspawn tentacle segment stares, then turns away, jangling a coin purse. 17:15:05 it actually just starts fighting with itself 17:15:07 this is amazing 17:18:34 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:19:11 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:19:55 rip sandman25 (this time) 17:22:37 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:23:22 real last post for real seriously 17:25:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:27:27 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:31:50 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:55 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:06 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:48:37 hahaha 17:48:46 i need to go look at that post 17:49:35 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:50 just letting you know, mimics are still doing their job 17:50:18 agonized over a trove cost for a branch, decided to go for it, mimic. 17:50:53 and spend 3 branches before that waiting for just one more potion for the trove :) 17:51:13 heh 17:52:31 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:52:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:25 wheals: complaints about that eoc commit! 17:53:41 yep, exciting!! 17:54:00 the funny thing is that my game started and that was happening, but I was so busy testing something else it didn't occur to me that it had changed 17:54:25 that's what i honestly expected to happen 17:54:39 yeah, he's right that muscle memory means you don't have to change anything 17:54:41 or hoped, rather 17:54:43 so it's easy not to notice 17:54:58 I have had some really comical sessions in tiles chat 17:55:01 this is consistent with all menus except e and z/Z 17:55:10 s/menus/commands 17:55:20 that basically consisted of two minutes trying to get someone to properly look at the ability/spell details 17:55:24 %git 17:55:24 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857: Allow bribing the Dungeon and Depths 10(48 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/847a857317e1 17:55:28 you have no idea what keys they're actually hitting 17:55:31 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:56:03 oh, hey that's new as well 17:56:07 people are working on crawl?! 17:56:19 gammafunk: imo report on mantis 17:56:39 it's like they're not just waiting for bread_swing.lua to drop 17:57:10 development had slowed to a crawl, one might say... 17:57:30 anyway my plan is to just ignore the complaints until everyone forgets it's ever been different 17:58:02 that will probably work 17:59:59 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:18 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 (34) 18:02:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:56 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08:06 another day, another los blending algorithm! 18:08:20 http://i.imgur.com/7HRDF6J.png -> http://i.imgur.com/EuQXlTP.png 18:09:06 this way's a lot more flexible, and i think it still looks pretty decent 18:09:58 it's different from the "set of 16 combinatorial images" approach? 18:10:40 Bodrick: are you blending the halos too? 18:10:46 / umbras 18:10:47 yeah - it calculates a color for each tile, then divides each tile into 9 subregions which get coloured based on the surrounding tiles 18:10:50 yeah 18:11:01 hm, that's neat 18:11:23 Bodrick: hrm, that sounds like it'd definitely need a js-side implementation 18:11:24 i dunno if you can do this, but one thing i thought might be neat would be to slightly desaturate stuff that's not in LoS 18:11:36 not all the way, of course, but a little bit 18:11:58 and does this slow down the rendering much, I wonder 18:12:07 hm - might be tricky as it's currently just an overlay over the whole tile 18:12:22 it doesn't seem to make much difference on my machine 18:12:31 is there a built in benchmarking feature at all? 18:12:44 or should i just time it 18:13:05 gammafunk: yeah, i'd need to change the js renderer as well for that 18:13:40 I guess you could time with a make test 18:14:39 |amethyst is probably a better person to talk to about this overall, but it's a cool idear 18:15:54 i'll see if i can quickly benchmark it now using the wizmode autoexplore 18:18:20 Brannock: with a debug build you can do ./crawl -rc test/stress/fireworks.rc 18:18:24 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:19:37 and there's test/stress/abyss.rc (and abyss_short_run.rc and abyss_short_wait.rc) 18:19:47 you can also just run qw 18:19:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 18:20:02 if you run them from the same seed that'd be a pretty good test 18:24:03 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:41 with changes: 549 turns, 12s, 13s, 13s 18:25:42 without changes: 549 turns, 14s, 13s, 13s 18:26:00 from my simple autoexplore test 18:26:51 i'll give those tests a go tomorrow 18:27:12 yeah you might need to use -seed to make the tests reasonable 18:27:26 others here are more experienced with those tests 18:27:32 -!- aimrie has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:28:52 cool - i'll see how i get on 18:29:03 doesn't look too horrendous at the moment at least though 18:30:09 yeah, hopefully not, and hopefully the js won't be a problem either 18:30:15 webtiles js has lots of problems already 18:30:19 @??death_cob 18:30:19 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2277 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 18:30:28 @??orb_guardian 18:30:28 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 68-101 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2762 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 18:31:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:38 yeah - hopefully i can just use fillRect to do it 18:31:43 Int: AI. 18:32:06 glados (0) 18:32:35 it requires more data to be transferred as well - each tile needs 9 uint32_ts for the colour data 18:33:49 gammafunk: has anyone ever considered changing away from js 18:33:54 for webtiles 18:34:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:27 yeah, mumra sketched some big plans for going to webgl and using some fancy c++->js thing 18:34:28 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:50 would be cool, certainly, but if we just improved our js we'd be a lot better 18:37:43 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:04 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:35 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:27 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:42 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 18:51:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:55:49 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:56:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:10 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09:06 gammafunk: I'm not sure how to feel about the danger level of juggernauts yet. They're less dangerous over time, but can provide much spikier danger 19:10:00 gammafunk: (re: your commit) 19:10:19 oh, well you have them placing basically in ood 19:10:22 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 19:10:33 so if you look at the numbers, you're just not really seeinng them get placed 19:10:36 I rand objstat 19:10:37 ??objstat 19:10:37 objstat[1/3]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 19:10:40 ??objstat[2 19:10:41 objstat[2/3]: Latest statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 19:11:26 basically it's hard to reason about what's actually happening with their placement without seeing how many place 19:12:11 0.28 19:12:11 0.32 19:12:11 0.37 19:12:11 0.41 19:12:12 0.74 19:12:32 how many per game on average on U:2-U:5 19:12:47 so you're actually seeing less of them earlier 19:13:01 this was with rise 19:13:26 but there's just so few placing that this is not very substantive 19:14:08 vs. shrikes: 0.33, 0.72, 0.97, 1.05, 0.93, 2.02 19:15:00 and that 0.74 was juggernauts in all of depths, I should mention 19:15:47 if you think they're good on U:1, you should change their range to that, probably 19:16:11 -!- Undo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:40 I do think nago is right that they don't do too much since they don't have a ranged attack and give you very natural way to escape them every time they swing 19:18:30 what I'd kind of recommend until we have a nice "mon-pick-data.h to probability spreadsheet" thing that there's been discussion about making, is either find a monster that you know has the exact placement you're lookinng for and copy that pretty much exactly or run objstat for maybe 50 iterations on only depths 19:18:36 the latter won't take much time to run 19:18:44 since it's just 5 levels per iteration 19:19:04 then you can see what your weight/dist is actually getting you number wise (min, max, and average) 19:20:00 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:20:12 but with my change you'll basically see a dist similar to 0.33, 0.72, 0.97, 1.05, 0.93, 2.02 (U:1-5, and last number is all of U) on average 19:22:21 I also recommend making your build shell command always have EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS if you're not making full debug builds 19:22:33 then you'll always have objstat/mapstat without having to recompile when you want to use them 19:24:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 19:29:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:06 In any case, it certainly doesn't hurt to have enough of them around to get a feel for how they work 19:32:53 gammafunk: I'm a little worried that they're too mean when they're bad but not interesting enough unless they're mean 19:34:45 gammafunk: have you bumped into any yet 19:35:08 heh, no I'm only playing 0.16 and speedruns; I do keep meaning to make a Ne though 19:35:18 I want to see how all the necro and mp changes play 19:35:34 So I should do that before 0.17 is released 19:36:13 <|amethyst> !send gammafunk more dogfood 19:36:13 Sending more dogfood to gammafunk. 19:36:27 yum 19:43:59 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:44:48 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:45:30 !lastgames 19:45:37 Last 10 games for gammafunk: L10 MiBe (quitting), L1 HuFi (quitting), L4 MiBe (quitting), L9 MiBe (quitting), L6 MiBe (quitting), L9 MiBe (quitting), L10 MiBe (quitting), L15 DESu (quitting), L5 DESu (an orc wizard), L13 MiBe (a player illusion) 19:48:22 how about nerfing the damage and applying on-hit slow 19:49:53 for juggernauts? 19:49:54 Interesting 19:50:04 90 damage + slow? That might be way worse 19:52:52 -!- aimrie has quit [Client Quit] 19:52:54 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:47 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:17:58 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:18:03 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 20:34:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:35:09 it'd probably be better to just place torpor snails 20:35:35 heh, place torpor snails with juggernauts as band members 20:35:49 that would be a fun vault 20:36:09 fr: juggersnails...or snailnauts 20:36:27 bring back giant eyeballs 20:36:44 now it's becoming clear that lasty has opened pandora's box 20:38:04 oh, is there an rc option to make gh autoeat properly? they've been more annoying since removal of rotten chunks. couldn't find anything around auto_eat_chunks 20:39:14 gammafunk: that's ALL I do 20:45:23 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:47:43 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 20:48:31 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:56 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:53:30 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:54:35 @??death_scarab 20:54:35 death scarab (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 8 | HP: 21-36 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 754 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 20:54:41 ??af_scarab 20:54:41 I don't have a page labeled af_scarab in my learndb. 20:54:45 ??scarab 20:54:46 death scarab[1/1]: 0.16 undead Tomb pack monster, occasionally showing up in numbers to replace guardian mummies. Fast, batty, trails miasma, and has a vampiric bite that also drains speed. 20:57:15 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:59:07 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:22 <|amethyst> hm, maybe I should write something up for https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikedev/comments/3jk3xm/faq_friday_20_saving/ 21:20:29 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:21:40 that would be cool 21:23:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:25:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:29:45 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:35:53 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:47:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:49:18 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:51 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:53:30 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:48 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:25 torpor snails work slightly differently, if you get on-hit slow on fast creature you have some turns to react before it's in melee range 21:58:55 but I dislike 1hit kill monsters in general, so anything that reduces 120dmg is good :) 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:55 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:28 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:21:08 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:25:59 !learn set animate_dead[2 Monster animate dead is gone in trunk. 22:25:59 animate dead[2/2]: Monster animate dead is gone in trunk. 22:29:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:36 -!- gressup is now known as gressup_ 22:30:31 -!- Demise has quit [Client Quit] 22:31:08 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:02 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:42:09 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 22:44:49 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:46:42 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:52 -!- Zeia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:14 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:53 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:05:52 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:06 -!- Undo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:51 -!- Undo_ is now known as I_Think 23:13:43 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:34 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:14:44 -!- I_Think is now known as Undo 23:16:34 -!- NJP has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:32 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:21:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:24:12 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:50 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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