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ZZZzzz…] 09:04:27 I get warnings of previous declaration of 'int mkstemp(char*)' from syscalls.h 09:04:48 which is apparently already defined in stdlib.h 09:06:41 both tiles and console build seem to work fine 09:06:53 although console doesn't want to start from the msys shell 09:07:05 works fine if I start a cmd.exe and run it though 09:11:12 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:11:13 looks like we define mkstemp for non-UNIX (probably for cygwin) windows compiles 09:14:27 wheals: if you feel like being a native windows guinea pig, you can install the "git for windows SDK" which is what msysgit has become: https://github.com/git-for-windows/build-extra/releases/latest 09:14:31 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:55 unfortunately it takes a long time to install, since it installs like 210 packages and then compiles git 09:15:07 must have been about 30 mins for me 09:15:16 gammafunk: based on https://github.com/git-for-windows/git/wiki/FAQ, can you run console from the shell using `winpty`? 09:15:22 oh 09:15:44 oh, i guess if it's not bundled probably not worth the bother 09:16:00 heh...I do have pity for windows so winpty sounds like the perfect program for me...DUNKED 09:16:33 wheals: it does seem that winpty is available to me 09:16:48 oh, good 09:17:17 gammafunk: just download and run the exe there? 09:17:26 yes, it's just a net installer 09:17:30 so you can run anywhere 09:17:41 it'll make a whole new dir for your git-for-windows thing 09:17:54 although the msys2 shell it uses will read your old .profile 09:18:10 so you may get an error from your win-builds thing (but you can ignore and/or delete the old .profile) 09:18:21 yep, doing it now 09:18:25 hrm, winpty just seems to do nothing right now 09:18:47 haha it picked up the .ico from the rust installer i used somehow 09:20:02 wonder what happened to msys that there's msys2 now 09:20:04 will need to look into the winpty thing; it just does nothing with no response to input 09:21:26 yeah, not sure what the relation is between the two projects 09:22:18 I also wonder if we could get msys2+mingw+packages and use the ordinary git for windows installer 09:22:26 since the sdk thing here makes you compile git 09:22:36 well it does it automatically but it's still annoying 09:22:59 there's also the other bullet point there to modify the shortcut 09:23:36 interesting, mintty is based on putty 09:24:11 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:24:38 well...the good knews is that checkwhite runs...the bad news is that it's doing something with CR chars in literally every text file in the repo 09:24:54 oh! 09:25:19 that happens whenever i set up on windows 09:25:27 i think i fiddle with the autocrlf option? maybe? 09:25:35 or possibly just a hard reset 09:26:47 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:31:12 -!- Finwe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31:47 <|amethyst> could make checkwhite detect that git option and not do CRLF fixups if it is set, but I suspect the option would still mess up some files (e.g. the MSVC project, which should keep its CRLFs) 09:36:45 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:38:28 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:42:51 -!- teukkam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44:51 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1742-gc7c22a5: Brace 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7c22a58199e 09:45:10 I should figure out if pushing from msys is possible now 09:45:17 anyhow I'm going to update our install guide 09:45:27 since old msysgit is not even available from the same url 09:50:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:53 oh wow mintty is pretty ugly 09:52:19 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:36 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:48 do we really need the note about not being able to build on windows 95? 10:06:12 ah, we already say higher up that windows 95 is not supported and you can try cygwin, so I'll delete that paragraph later on in the windows build details 10:14:24 -!- rkd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:43 <|amethyst> We also don't support building on 1995-era Linux systems, so I'm not sure even that mention is really necessary 10:22:08 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:24:30 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:24:37 the only problem i'm running into is that this insists i've modified the submodules 10:24:44 weird 10:25:02 also, looks like we might no longer need NO_PKGCONFIG=y under this sdk 10:25:12 is there an equivalent of a hard reset for them? i've tried git submodule update and git submodule update --init 10:25:53 <|amethyst> wheals: try deinit then update --init ? 10:25:56 hrm, a hard reset on your crawl repo doesn'tsolve it? 10:26:04 <|amethyst> and that 10:27:12 it didn't, but i'm trying |amethyst's way 10:28:29 godabil.cc: In function 'void fedhas_evolve_flora()': 10:28:29 godabil.cc:3592:54: warning: '*((void*)& upgrade +8)' may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized] plant->upgrade_type(upgrade.new_type, true, true); 10:28:37 weird, I don't recall seeing this one before 10:29:34 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29:40 <|amethyst> oh 10:29:56 <|amethyst> that is bad: 10:30:00 <|amethyst> ASSERT(_possible_evolution(monster_info(plant), upgrade)); 10:30:12 <|amethyst> _possible_evolution has side effects 10:30:17 all that code is bad 10:30:19 <|amethyst> guess what happens if assertions are disabled 10:30:34 and actually pretty unnecessary now that mold evolution is gone 10:30:48 I guess gcc 5.2 is better at catching some things 10:32:19 "overengineered" is the word i gues 10:32:44 people just like writing code sometimes! 10:32:50 <|amethyst> monster_conversion's constructor should initialise new_type (to MONS_NO_MONSTER perhaps) but that doesn't fix the problem (just making a bool before the ASSERT would do that) 10:33:42 <|amethyst> honestly I would consider just making _possible_evolution return the monster_conversion 10:34:16 <|amethyst> then having monster_conversion::valid() or even monster_conversion::operator bool() to test whether it's a good conversion 10:34:43 <|amethyst> (possibly by looking at new_type, possibly by having a new member) 10:35:03 <|amethyst> oh... or this could all be replaced by a map 10:35:16 <|amethyst> s/map/const map/ 10:35:25 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:23 !learn del tenpercenters 10:36:23 Deleted tenpercenters[1/1]: greatplayers with winrate >10% 10:36:38 uh oh 10:36:53 !nick tenpercenter 10:36:54 No nick mapping for tenpercenter. 10:37:01 !nick tenpercenters 10:37:02 Mapping tenpercenters => tedronai zzxc blakmane elliptic zooty basil mikee swiss sphara ackack manman yogaflame bmfx lasty crate thenoid vizer stabwound hyperbolic medar pac ebarrett bart dck theglow shadowmage952 wahaha itsmu macktheknife mrplanck berder evilmike tolias rbrandon n1000 hla doubtofbuddha xen ldf sar magipi haifisch simm rubinko perunasaurus 10:37:07 !nick del tenpercenters 10:37:08 Mapping del => tenpercenters 10:37:11 erg 10:37:21 good nick 10:37:21 !nick-rm 10:37:26 !nick -rm del 10:37:27 Deleted del => tenpercenters 10:37:29 thanks 10:37:38 is deleting that necessary though? 10:38:10 It's really only there for berder's vanity 10:38:22 I guess we can just remove whatever for pretty much any reason, but I assume this is about reducing berder statistics 10:38:31 Yes, basically. 10:38:37 <|amethyst> goodplayers and greatplayers are only there for vanity, too 10:38:45 <|amethyst> and greatrace etc etc 10:38:52 yeah, I mean we don't restrict people from making custom nicks 10:39:12 |amethyst: disagree: they're there to indicate pretty reliably, "these people have won a lot of games of varied types" 10:39:21 it doesn't mean they're good players per se 10:39:46 ugh, for some reason now ctrl-arrow key is messed up 10:39:47 Whereas winrate isn't particularly meaningful 10:39:52 this may not be the new install's fault 10:40:12 <|amethyst> ??goodplayer 10:40:12 oh, another sdl2 bug? 10:40:12 goodplayer ~ goodplayers[1/1]: 10 or more wins. 10:40:19 no, just in bash 10:40:20 greatrace is definitely only there for vanity 10:40:43 Well I'm more wondering if we need to be in the business of removing nicks, and I guess we do the same for learndb 10:40:49 <|amethyst> wheals: does ctrl-arrow send anything at all (if you run cat, let's say) 10:41:01 Maybe I shouldn't be removing nicks, even if I think they are dumb 10:41:08 <|amethyst> wheals: if so, sounds like a bad TERM 10:41:15 <|amethyst> wheals: or, rather, TERM not matching the actual terminal 10:41:25 Lasty_: well we certainly do this for learndb, so it's not totally unfair..I'm just wondering what's good policy 10:41:28 I'm not sure how aggressively we should be pruning either nicks or learndb 10:41:30 yeah, ditto 10:41:37 |amethyst: in bash itself actually, it seems to send an arrow key; in vim, it sends *something* that involves a 'd' 10:41:54 <|amethyst> If the problem is berder posting on Tavern, IMO the solution is to ban berder from posting in tavern 10:41:55 I mean, "people who satisfy well-known conditions and have a winrate of 10%" is not offensive to me as a concept 10:42:27 but I agree that it doesn't need to be in learndb if only one person thinks this is important and this person uses said entry to legitimize the concept 10:42:42 as in it deletres to end of line? 10:43:16 no, it deletes several lines 10:43:23 <|amethyst> five lines? 10:43:35 perhaps |amethyst is right and it's best not to treat tavern the same as learndb/sequell/irc 10:43:52 looks like it, and also puts me into insert mode 10:44:16 <|amethyst> insert mode is weird 10:44:22 I have a ton of silly vanity commands defined in sequell, certainly 10:44:47 <|amethyst> the xterm escape sequence for ctrl-left is [1;5D 10:45:01 |amethyst: I'm all in favor of banning Berder from posting in tavern, but I have a bad track record w/ convincing people to ban actively problematic posters 10:45:40 and I don't trust my judgment to unilaterally ban themn 10:46:17 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:34 <|amethyst> Lasty_: personally, I should not at all be involved in such decisions or I'd burn the whole place down and make it invite-only, then not invite anyone 10:46:59 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:06 !source mons_near_iterator 10:47:07 Can't find mons_near_iterator. 10:47:11 !source mon_near_iterator 10:47:12 Can't find mon_near_iterator. 10:47:16 !source monster_near_iterator 10:47:16 1/3. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/act-iter.cc#l81 10:50:07 |amethyst: seems reasonable 10:51:32 |amethyst: any idea what's up with fedhas_check_evolve_flora doing the targetting rather than fedhas_evolve_flora itself? 10:53:05 i guess it makes cancelling work properly (and might not be necessary anymore with the fail_check() changes?) 10:54:58 Lasty_: I'm more in favor of banning only actively hostile people or people who really try to offend; if we tried to ban all of the various 'weird personalities with odd opinions' we'd have have a more full-time job on our hands 10:56:04 <|amethyst> one problem is that we have a history of supporting, or at least being friendly with and not calling out, some actively hostile people who try to offend 10:56:08 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:29 yeah, sure 10:56:36 just trying to avoid a "cascade of bans" I guess 10:56:44 gammafunk: I feel like we'd have a less-full-time job on our hands, since those posters seem to be the ones most often involved in moderation requests 10:56:49 hm 10:56:53 i can't start crwal 10:56:55 crawl 10:57:01 wheals: console or tiles? 10:57:06 |amethyst: true 10:57:10 console (and tried it in the windows console) 10:57:23 that's weird; It worked fine from cmd.exe for me 10:57:28 but not from msys2 shell 10:57:38 what happens? no output? 10:57:41 IMO hostility per se isn't a bad thing, it's whether it gets channeled constructively or not, and whether the person can understand feedback. 10:58:27 My frustration is with posters who, whether hostile or not, flood the forum with poorly-considered or personal drama nonsense and who refuse to constructively engage with anyone. 10:58:31 i try to start a game and it crashes 10:58:45 no backtrace on windows of course, but i'm going to try gdb 10:59:12 <|amethyst> wheals: it looks like that's a common pattern for abilities, but I think you're right that using a spret_type lets us get around that 10:59:19 Lasty_: right, but then we need to update our forum rules and be pretty fair about this 10:59:35 oh goddammit 10:59:55 i installed the 64-bit version of gdb and it won't work with my executable ?? 11:00:33 gammafunk: sure 11:00:39 wheals: the sdk ships its own gdb it seems, are you running the right one? 11:00:42 that said, it's not like I expect anything to change 11:00:46 i think so 11:00:49 I'm just complaining 11:00:49 i may need to recompile 11:01:35 I have Berder set to no-read anyway, I just hate seeing him totally derail a thread by being pointlessly obtuse 11:01:50 <|amethyst> IMO Berder's problem is that his imperious pronouncements differ from the accepted wisdom 11:02:23 <|amethyst> whereas duvessa, for example, is much more of an asshole, but most people agree so it's "okay" 11:05:45 |amethyst: duvessa is equally imperious, but his opinions generally have some resemblance to reality, and he can hear what other people say, even if they disagree. He doesn't flood a thread with dozens of posts marshalling meaningless statistics in the service of his opinions. 11:06:35 Yeah, just don't know if we can really have a forum rule of "be reasonable" and expect that to work 11:06:42 I'd have no problem with Berder at all if he could learn to critically evaluate his opinions and/or hear what others are saying 11:06:48 gammafunk: agreed. "be reasonable" is code for "we'll use our judgment" 11:07:16 It's not my forum. If it were, I'd have no trouble enforcing "I'll use my judgment". 11:07:23 but maybe no one would want to be on that forum. 11:08:22 wheals: so should I be fearful of what's happening on your system under the SDK? 11:08:32 it seems fine overall 11:08:44 but crawl doesn't run? 11:08:49 oh yeah 11:09:05 that actually started yesterday, but i assumed it was a broken save 11:09:24 i need to investigate further, but it's probably not due to the new SDK 11:09:33 ok 11:10:53 -!- yottam_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:12:51 -!- yottam has quit [Client Quit] 11:16:24 !source ability.cc:2681 11:16:24 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc#l2681 11:16:29 |amethyst: check it out :) 11:16:42 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I did see one example where Berder put his presumed actuary degree to good use 11:17:30 <|amethyst> Lasty_: he did a pretty reasonable simulation of "how much HP do you *actually* get from shroud, given that it stops working when you die" 11:18:43 true 11:18:44 <|amethyst> Lasty_: but in general I do think he's worth ignoring... I just don't know whether it's good to ban people for being distracting but not toxic 11:19:33 I don't really think we'll end up banning Berder, but I do think it'd be a good idea if everyone added him to their ignore list 11:20:10 Tho even that doesn't really work for mods, since he does things like report posts which aren't personally insulting, but which he feels don't sufficiently respect his opinions. 11:21:00 <|amethyst> Lasty_: but I see the problem from your point of view, because as a mod you can't truly ignore people 11:21:07 <|amethyst> Lasty_: well, that's just abusive 11:21:20 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I would definitely warn on that behaviour 11:21:25 <|amethyst> Lasty_: do other people report his stuff? 11:22:12 -!- tryingsohard has quit [Client Quit] 11:23:00 <|amethyst> I'm just imagining how the Reddit FREE SPEACH crowd would react to us writing an actual code of conduct 11:23:30 <|amethyst> I definitely got some (mild) hostility when I mentioned 11:23:31 <|amethyst> ??language 11:23:32 language[1/2]: Feel free to swear, yell, and generally curse out the game in this channel. However, there are limits. The game isn't 'gay'. Sigmund isn't a 'faggot'. Your character didn't get 'raped'. Language like that is not okay, not even if you are referring to a character rather than a person. The same goes for racial slurs. 11:24:13 |amethyst: his actual posts rarely get reported 11:24:33 |amethyst: yeah, I have no tolerance for the viewpoint that "free speech means I can say whatever I want w/o censure" 11:24:49 <|amethyst> okay, now I'm misremembering; it wasn't hostile, just "disappointed" 11:24:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:24:53 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:26:11 does the tavern code support shadow bans? 11:26:18 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I think that's not as actively hostile as "free speech means you have to listen to me" 11:26:31 <|amethyst> I strongly disapprove of shadow bans 11:26:36 <|amethyst> for actual people, anyway 11:27:09 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:09 <|amethyst> it's trivial to detect anyway 11:27:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:35 <|amethyst> since you just need to try to look at the content from another account 11:27:40 gotcha 11:27:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:00 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:28:11 <|amethyst> now, the distributed shadow ban of ignore lists is another matter :) 11:28:37 hm 11:28:50 hmm... but what about default ignore lists :) 11:29:03 sh: cc: command not found 11:29:24 what the heck, why does `make clean` build contribs 11:31:49 Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated, passed through in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/^enum 11:31:49 monster_info_flags\n{ <-- HERE \n/ at util/gen-mi-enum line 8. 11:32:28 Makefile:101: recipe for target 'tiledef-main.h' failed 11:32:28 make[1]: *** [tiledef-main.h] Error 127 11:32:28 make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... 11:32:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:33:19 <|amethyst> easy enough to fix; what Perl is this? 11:33:29 5.22 11:33:30 wheals: I think the perl you're using is not the one included in the SDK 11:33:34 huh 11:33:49 the sdk installs perl 11:34:04 which perl says /usr/bin/perl 11:34:11 <|amethyst> oh 11:34:26 <|amethyst> this was added in 5.21 or so 11:34:43 <|amethyst> https://metacpan.org/pod/release/PCM/perl-5.21.3/pod/perl5211delta.pod#A-literal-should-now-be-escaped-in-a-pattern 11:34:50 well, why is wheals getting this error when I didn't? 11:34:55 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:06 sounds like you're not using the one included in the SDK! 11:35:11 nope! 11:35:16 I'm using the sdk one 11:35:17 or you just weren't paying attention to the very first messages 11:35:37 well did this not abort your make? 11:35:44 or your make clean at least 11:35:45 it did not, it's a warning 11:35:58 well it's a make failure 11:36:02 <|amethyst> 11:32:36 <+wheals> make[1]: *** [tiledef-main.h] Error 127 11:36:03 <|amethyst> 11:32:36 <+wheals> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... 11:36:08 oh, those two things were unrelated 11:36:08 sorry 11:36:14 grrr 11:36:28 yeah i should have made that clear 11:36:31 I demand admin access to wheals' machine from now on! 11:36:35 i have no idea why tiles isn't building 11:37:04 that weird sh error about cc, not sure about that 11:37:40 <|amethyst> we use cc -dumpmachine for host detection 11:37:46 <|amethyst> which is kind of weird 11:37:48 it just doesn't set up the usual cc alias to gcc I guess? 11:37:53 <|amethyst> anyway, must be going 11:38:35 I'm trying tiles build without NO_PKGCONFIG, seems to be working 11:40:39 changing cc -dumpmachine to gcc -dumpmachine didn't help 11:41:06 does our make file look for gcc and clang specifically, or are those make arguments 11:42:29 oh I see, there's FORCE_CC and we default to gcc 11:42:44 so it's must be that cc -dumpmachine command and possibly some others 11:43:32 I only see that one 11:48:26 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:56:47 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:07 -!- orbekk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:45 well, i know that for some reason `tool/tilegen.elf -c dc-main.txt` is failing with error code 127 12:02:25 -!- radinms has quit [] 12:02:32 exec() failed 12:02:56 (which, on windows ... ?) 12:03:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:19 wheals: yeah, that sounds like a problem if this was a tiles build 12:04:25 since it can't make the tile sheet 12:04:34 no, it wasn't (rltiles is always built) 12:04:57 did everything work when building tiles? 12:05:00 or you probably haven't tried 12:05:50 tool/tile_colour.cc:7:18: fatal error: png.h: No such file or directory 12:06:12 yeah my rltiles build doesn't fail under a console build 12:06:20 oh, sounds like you got an outside libpng 12:06:47 as in maybe you need NO_PKGCONFIG=y 12:07:21 maybe some residual stuff loaded from your previous msys install? not sure how your msys2 would be seeing it 12:12:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:15:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16:58 now hopefully I can figure out how to run crawl console from msys2 12:18:57 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:28 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 12:23:16 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:53 wtf???? 12:29:18 i can get tilegen.elf to run fine in gdb, but it doesn't work from the command line 12:31:37 did you set some kind of breakpoint? 12:32:03 could be some kind of race condition thing 12:32:18 SetConsoleMode(inbuf, inmodes) == 0 12:32:28 in libw32.cc is causing a problem in msys2 12:33:01 it works even without a breakpoint, but that could be it 12:33:46 welp, now i can compile crawl itself just fine 12:34:13 how did you fix the libpng thing? 12:34:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:34:21 i'm doing console 12:34:50 -!- hyperbolic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:42 what do the call the windows file manage again? explorer? 12:36:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:25 yah 12:38:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41:18 i'm getting the mkstemp warning a lot but it shouldn't be hard to do the same thing we do with strlcpy etc 12:43:07 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:43:42 there’s actually already a mkstemp implementation for windows in syscalls.cc 12:44:03 libunix.cc:28:22: fatal error: langinfo.h: No such file or directory 12:44:21 Zaba: right, and there's also one in msys2 12:44:29 ah 12:44:31 so there's a warning because it's redeclared 12:47:16 i see 12:47:48 turns out the makfile was looking for MINGW in `uname -s`, and this gives MSYS 12:47:57 gammafunk: what does uname -s give for you? 12:48:14 MINGW32_NT-6.3 12:48:37 32-bit since I think that's what virtuabox supports 12:48:43 even though my system is 64-bit 12:48:51 the win8 install is def. 32-bit 12:49:13 virtualbox definitely does support 64-bit 12:49:42 maybe that was just the option I chose...don't judge me! 12:49:53 strange, wonde why mine is different 12:49:59 what is yours? 12:50:11 aside from mingw64, I assume 12:50:12 MSYS_NT-6.3 12:50:15 gammafunk: consider yourself judged. I'm over here in my glass house and I've got a bucketful of stones 12:50:58 hrm, where did you install your msys2? 12:51:02 a totally new folder? 12:51:15 or your "git for windows sdk" I should say 12:51:18 i think so 12:51:47 default is git-sdk-32 or git-sdk-64 12:52:17 do you have some weird windows env path settings that are causing things to get pulled in? 12:52:29 maybe? 12:52:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:52:35 those are under... 12:52:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:10 which .bat did you use? 12:53:24 it's using the 32-bit one 12:53:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:55 mingw32_shell 12:53:57 .bat 12:55:09 maybe I have a 32-bit iso because I had to do all that siliness to get a win8 iso in the first place from my digital purchase 12:55:10 it might be because i'm just running /usr/bin/bash directly not using one of them 12:55:27 oh, yeah 12:55:33 you probably need whatever that .bat is setting up 12:55:48 it’s amazing how you can just download windows 10 ISOs from their website 12:55:53 like… only took this many years 12:56:06 yeah maybe I should just consider doing that now 12:56:19 .bats make my eyes hurt 12:56:46 -!- bel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:47 wheals: set MSYSTEM=MINGW32 12:58:50 in that .bat 12:59:01 likely 12:59:11 and then it's running mintty 12:59:19 so the uname is probbaly just coming from that 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:55 linking is either hanging or just extraordinarily slow 13:01:12 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:16 linking was a bit slow, but nothing too bad for me 13:01:24 mainly I miss ccache a lot 13:01:29 oh I should see if they installed that 13:01:35 excuse me, crawl developers who are also tavern mods, I would like to lodge a complaint 13:01:56 I was just about to thank a fantastic post about casting spells when I found that it was deleted! 13:01:58 only lame crawl devs are mods 13:02:09 wheals: but it isn't polite to say it... 13:02:16 wouldn't you want to pm a tavern mod with this complaint? 13:03:08 gamma tbh I'm talking about the incredible spam about some dude you emailed to cast spells that turn gay husbands into straight husbands 13:04:11 look this channel is just incredibly serious and we are very busy professionals here 13:04:47 maybe i can get it to link if i turn off debug 13:05:37 I'm afraid "joywills" is gone forever from the tavern, as epic as his "gay spam" may have been 13:05:39 -!- Potsan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:06:03 rip joywills I hope her and her gay husband can be happy together with the power of magic 13:06:05 oddly appropriate account name, I guess 13:06:45 joywills was way less annoying that the awful korean spam that's been in tavern 13:06:53 posting like 8 messages at once 13:07:04 wheals: oh, I was doing normal builds 13:07:07 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:17 I think I did do debug-lite builds initially though, which were fine 13:09:37 wheals: under 'System' and 'Advanced System Properties' there's an Environment Variables button 13:10:14 if your path variable has anything weird 13:10:23 although I guess with that you might be able to check $PATH from your shell 13:11:03 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:11:03 but I think the startup might read the windows path and do stuff based on that, then make PATH 13:11:14 i think you were right about MSYSTEM 13:11:22 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1742-gc7c22a5 (34) 13:11:52 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:01 I don't know what the implications are of that being different, if that affects the build at all 13:12:22 i think it ends up affecting uname -s, and thus caused the unix error 13:12:34 not sure if it caused the issues with the tool 13:12:40 or the link time 13:12:44 oh, it linked 13:12:58 maybe just try the build through the .bat, see if it behaves better 13:13:02 and it runs 13:13:06 wheee 13:13:16 pushing new INSTALL.txt 13:15:40 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:37 thymos (L12 NaCj) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. (Lab) 13:25:59 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26:03 gammafunk: where is it?? 13:26:21 sorry, checking my commit message 13:26:24 it must be perfect! 13:27:06 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-1743-g8816d31: Recognize MSYS as a 'kernel name' equivalent to MINGW. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8816d3141f07 13:27:06 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-1744-g1ffb760: Refactor evolution code (gammafunk, |amethyst). 10(79 seconds ago, 3 files, 63+ 131-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ffb7601b1de 13:27:31 IMO, .bat has better syntax than makefile 13:27:41 that’s not hard 13:28:04 yep 13:30:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:55 -!- rj54x has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:02 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1745-g6476bd3: Make INSTALL.txt recommend Git for Windows SDK for Windows compilation 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 153+ 194-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6476bd30efdf 13:31:18 our makefile is a work of art 13:31:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:32:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:38 it'd be fun to try to run that sdk through wine 13:35:07 oh right, still not sure what to do about the missing cc thing 13:35:25 gammafunk: what does it `which cc` say? 13:35:30 s/it// 13:35:52 I have no cc I think 13:35:54 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:03 yeah no cc 13:36:05 so it's not just a problem for me 13:36:55 yeah, also not sure what that command failing means for the build 13:37:02 since a make variable is created from that 13:37:55 gammafunk: why does the OS X section of install.txt not suggest "mac-app-tiles" as part of the make command? 13:38:55 well it's really more convenient to just run the binary I think 13:39:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:42 i wonder if making it $(CC) -dumpmachine would introduce some kind of circular dependency 13:40:00 but i think i've had enough makefiles for today, anywau 13:40:01 does clang support -dumpmachine? 13:40:02 y 13:40:17 yeah, thanks for testing it 13:40:47 that's fair and fine then 13:41:21 gammafunk: good question, i would assume so if stuff depends on cc having it 13:41:49 but maybe not! 13:42:38 I should install clang, but I don't want it to become my default gcc 13:42:39 er cc 13:44:25 i think cc is just a symlink 13:45:22 yeah but it's managed by debian 13:45:52 or dpkg rather, just means I need it to not become my default cc, so those links are always maintained (without me doing it in a manual way) 13:46:15 dpkg supports this but I just need to see if there's anything special I have to do when installing the package 13:46:18 it might just prompt me 13:48:08 update-alternatives --list cc 13:49:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:48 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:51:57 -dumpmachine works with clang 13:52:22 they don't report the same things exactly, but it works 13:53:04 clang gives x86_64-pc-linux-gnu versus gcc's x86_64-linux-gnu 13:54:23 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:58 -!- oho_hups has quit [Quit: bong timeout] 14:08:33 -!- athros has quit [Quit: Bye bye] 14:10:57 -!- Jobby has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:15 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:48 so hey, assembled devs, new monster for depths. Working name: crusher. HD:18, HP:120-180-ish, Speed: 15 (attacking takes 45 energy), attack: 120*1, AC: 20, EV 12, no resists, MR:120. 14:16:24 Basic idea is a huge brute that runs up and hits really hard, but with an incredibly long hit recovery. 14:19:51 something as fast as a centaur that hits for 120 sounds kinda hard for a kobold (for example) to deal with, even if it only gets to hit once or twice before you can dispatch it 14:21:31 it also seems like it encourages weird behavior like standing adjacent to a staircase until it hits you and then retreating upstairs, rather than just running to the stairs asap 14:21:50 i was just thinking there weren't nearly enough things with good ac/ev that have a good chance of killing you in one hit in depths =P 14:25:45 Me too! Pretty much nothing else in Depths has a chance of doing a one hit kill at all 14:26:06 i know! 14:26:24 at least not till you finish spectral swamp worm reform 14:26:27 =D 14:27:25 haha 14:27:58 Think of it as being a depths hydra, but since you're in depths its assumed that melee stuff at speed 10 is no longer scary 14:28:11 gammafunk: pinging you to get an opinion 14:28:21 he'll complain about the name 14:28:38 what if its head is a giant hammer? 14:28:41 then the name makes sense! 14:28:45 no, since Lasty would remove op crushers 14:29:28 but seriously, the strange stair mechanics that amalloy mention might be a problem 14:30:10 hrm 14:30:17 @??orb_of_fire 14:30:17 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 14:30:39 I suppose it would be possible for it to special-case itself a status after attacking that make it not follow up stairs . . . 14:31:02 but honestly, I don't think it's a bad thing to force people to have a few tricks like that to deal with what would definitely be a notable monster 14:31:11 well he's saying that the player would retreat 14:31:18 as in it's unable to follow 14:31:23 since it's recovering energy 14:31:24 I understand 14:31:39 but if it couldn't follow while recovering energy always, then they wouldn't need to do it off-stair 14:31:57 I'm not convinced that "you don't want to fight this on-stair" is a bad thing 14:32:28 i guess you could also make the attack trample too 14:32:50 Lasty_: that's a weird exception though, something that's not consistent with the usual rules of dungeoneering. it seems like something that would go against anti-spoiler tendencies: how does an unspoiled player know what to expect from this the first time, if it doesn't move normally? 14:33:26 actually, I guess I don't see the reason of standing one-away from stairs 14:33:37 amalloy: I've always assumed that crawl design expects people to figure out new monster mechanics 1) by being warned in xv and 2) by falling victim to them 14:33:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:00 it's not going to be able to follow you anyhow if you're standing on stairs 14:34:03 that's certainly how sixferies work 14:34:20