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10:28:25 <kvaak> what's the general opinion on early xp pinata vaults
10:28:36 <kvaak> i recently killed an oklob on d2
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10:38:55 <|amethyst> If D:2 characters can kill oklobs without risk, maybe oklobs shouldn't give XP
10:39:37 <kvaak> !lg . vp -2 -tv:<T2031:>T2227
10:39:38 <Sequell> 21/22. perunasaurus, XL14 VpAK, T:35958 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
10:39:42 <kvaak> yes, I'm inclined to agree
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10:42:34 <scwizard> how can D:2 chars kill oklobs?
10:42:39 <kvaak> !lg . vp -2 -tv:<T2031:>T2227
10:42:40 <Sequell> 21/22. perunasaurus, XL14 VpAK, T:35958 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
10:42:46 <kvaak> this is how
10:42:58 <|amethyst> scwizard:  by hiding behind a plant and using a polearm
10:43:19 <|amethyst> for this specific exploit, could increase oklobs' willingness to spit through allies
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10:43:25 <|amethyst> but that has other problems
10:43:34 <kvaak> oklobs can't spit through plants
10:43:40 <kvaak> unless you're under fedhas wrath
10:43:47 <kvaak> (or ^fedhas for friendly oklobs)
10:44:13 <|amethyst> oh, right it's not a beam
10:44:18 <|amethyst> make it a beam then
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10:46:06 <kvaak> there's a lair entrance vault that places an oklob behind plants though
10:48:14 <|amethyst> I guess oklobs could go the way of wandering mushrooms
10:48:32 <kvaak> aren't they already exclusive to vaults?
10:48:55 <|amethyst> they're in the lair spawn list too
10:49:01 <kvaak> huh
10:49:03 <|amethyst> but mushroom removal removed them from vaults too
10:49:32 <|amethyst> so they're only in sprint and fedhas games
10:50:24 <|amethyst> (I'm not sure why they were kept from Fedhas... I was under the impression that mushrooms were the thing that made early Fedhas so overpowered)
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10:51:24 <kvaak> mushrooms are pretty much the only reason to go fedhas and yes
10:52:49 <scwizard> oklobs are not fun
10:53:19 <scwizard> early oklob vaults are just a noob trap for unspoiled players
10:53:26 <scwizard> and free xp for spoilered ones
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10:55:58 <kvaak> early oklobs aren't usually exp pinatas, it depends on the placement
10:56:36 <kvaak> but any vault that allows you to casually tab one to death with a polearm is rather problematic
10:57:35 <kvaak> they could be just dropped to 0 exp, they're extremely rare outside vaults and in vaults killing them generally gives access to loot which is a reward in itself
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12:34:21 <amalloy> what vaults let you tab oklobs savely with a polearm?
12:34:59 <kvaak> !log . vp -2
12:34:59 <Sequell> 21/22. perunasaurus, XL14 VpAK, T:35958: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/perunasaurus/morgue-perunasaurus-20150719-115406.txt
12:35:14 <kvaak> !vault tgw_fedhas
12:35:14 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des#l609
12:35:55 <kvaak> also the lair entrance vault, no idea what its name is
12:39:20 <kvaak> who was behind the BoB rework btw?
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12:57:39 <amalloy> kvaak: PF
12:58:04 <kvaak> !tell pleasingfungus new BoB can kill a vault warden with 10 evoc. I approve.
12:58:04 <Sequell> kvaak: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
12:58:44 <amalloy> the mutant beasts are fun
12:59:42 <kvaak> yes
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13:03:58 <kvaak> http://i.imgur.com/mpfPjGc.png
13:04:03 <kvaak> does that runed door have an actual purpose
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13:10:13 <amalloy> !vault lemuel_angel_altar
13:10:13 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/altar.des#l243
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13:13:26 <amalloy> i don't see what the runed door is for either, but it seems like a weird thing to do accidentally
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13:17:42 <amalloy> kvaak: i wonder if it's decorative? a reference to some kind of religious thing i'm not aware of, for example
13:17:50 <kvaak> I'm fairly sure i've seen that vault before
13:17:53 <kvaak> and it didn't have the door
13:18:01 <kvaak> it's something I'd notice since it leaves an annotation
13:18:14 <amalloy> or just to remind you that that's a corner you can dig to
13:18:29 <amalloy> since the other corners are stone
13:19:43 <amalloy> %git 89316f41220105d7d5c35c95c1d4aa62bfd4f846
13:19:43 <Cheibriados> 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-648-g89316f41: Adjust select Depths vaults to try and reduce monster digging problems (minmay) 10(10 months ago, 4 files, 663+ 656-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89316f412201
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13:20:46 <amalloy> kvaak: so it looks like it's there to stop DTEMs from letting the angel out
13:20:52 <amalloy> while still allowing the player to dig in
13:21:11 <MarvinPA> wow that's
13:21:12 <MarvinPA> really weird
13:21:23 <kvaak> ....okay
13:21:41 <kvaak> i'm not really sure why dtems letting an angel out is an issue
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13:53:42 <GauHelldragon> hi~
13:53:48 <GauHelldragon> how do folk test new maps
13:54:04 <GauHelldragon> is there a debug command or something to force a certain map to load
13:54:20 <amalloy> GauHelldragon: yes, if you are in wizmode
13:54:25 <amalloy> &L
13:54:26 <GauHelldragon> neat
13:54:56 <amalloy> you can also change the map definitino a bit to force it to be placed on D:1 100% of the time or whateevr
13:55:31 <GauHelldragon> ah
13:55:39 <GauHelldragon> cool
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14:40:34 <|amethyst> < kvaak> i'm not really sure why dtems letting an angel out is an issue
14:40:56 <|amethyst> because some vault authors complained about how the existence of DTEM completely broke all the vaults in the game
14:42:31 <|amethyst> as you can see in the commit message, hangedman wasn't all that happy about the changes
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14:49:20 <plathrop> !wtf dtem
14:49:20 <Sequell> Unemployed Unperson
14:49:29 <plathrop> What is DTEM?
14:49:56 <|amethyst> @??deep troll earth mage
14:49:56 <Gretell> deep troll earth mage (06T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 37-60 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 27, 2009(claw), 2009(claw) | 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 08blind | XP: 859 | Sp: rapid deconstruction, dig | Sz: Large | Int: human.
14:50:06 <plathrop> |amethyst: Ah! Thanks!
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15:07:13 <amalloy> incontrovertible evidence that wheals is a mere sock puppet for XTAHUA
15:07:37 <wheals> no comment
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15:47:02 <Napkin> is SF going down?
15:47:24 <Napkin> seems to refuse emails to the crawl-ref-commits ML...
15:47:35 <geekosaur> it crashed or something over the weekend
15:47:39 <geekosaur> not fully back up yet
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15:58:02 <wheals> i saw someone having trouble with ftp as well
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15:59:12 <geekosaur> basically the whole thing went down Saturday sometime; a few services are back up, nobody knows the ETA for the rest
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16:27:42 <amalloy> !tell gammafunk kvaak was just complaining about the moon base. probably there is a tv in there somewhere you will enjoy
16:27:42 <Sequell> amalloy: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
16:28:05 <kvaak> sadly no
16:28:21 <amalloy> kvaak: he enjoys every moon tv though\
16:28:26 <kvaak> unless he likes the part where i corrupt the moonbase in panic and end up killing half of it
16:28:29 <kvaak> including the moon troll
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16:29:35 <kvaak> also TIL VUTs have shit mr
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16:30:48 <kvaak> seriously what the fuck hellbinder is worse than all other wizlabs combined and this doesn't even come close
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16:35:01 <amalloy> !lm kvaak br.enter=wizlab x=avg(xl)
16:35:02 <Sequell> 29 milestones for kvaak (br.enter=wizlab): avg(xl)=19.21
16:35:25 <amalloy> !lm kvaak br.enter=wizlab x=xl
16:35:25 <Sequell> 29. [2015-07-20 20:21:41] [xl=15] perunasaurus the Severer (L15 MuAK of Lugonu) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 43067. (Elf:3)
16:35:27 <amalloy> you are 4 XL lower than usual, which seems like it should matter
16:35:50 <kvaak> well it wasn't my idea to place the damn thing in elf
16:36:07 <kvaak> also other wizlabs don't have quicksilver dragons or VUTs
16:36:10 <kvaak> no matter how you look at it
16:36:32 <Prozacelf> VUT?
16:36:38 <kvaak> @?? white very ugly thing
16:36:38 <Gretell> white very ugly thing (16u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 79-119 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2712(cold:18-53) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++ | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1446 | Sz: Large | Int: animal.
16:36:41 <Prozacelf> oh
16:36:56 <Zannick> when did crawl get a moon base? i thought this was fantasy, not sci-fi :P
16:37:15 <amalloy> who says you need a rocket ship to get to the moon? magic works too
16:37:31 <Zannick> i didn't say rocket ship, i said moon
16:37:34 <kvaak> granted hellbinder has reapers but at least those have the decency to be speed 10
16:37:52 <Zannick> exploring the moon and having a "base" seems more science fiction to me /shrug
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16:38:18 <kvaak> a good portion of final fantasy 4 took place in (a) moon
16:38:21 <Prozacelf> you could totally make a moon base with magic
16:38:26 <kvaak> it even has fantasy in its name
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16:38:38 <Prozacelf> well, FF4 also had a robotic giant level
16:38:50 <Prozacelf> although i guess it was powered by magic
16:38:53 <Prozacelf> so that makes it ok
16:38:55 <kvaak> see?
16:39:05 <kvaak> it's not a sci-fi robot, it's a MAGIC robot
16:39:07 <Prozacelf> but your space ship was a whale
16:39:10 <Prozacelf> so it's all cool
16:41:14 <kvaak> I guess it also had an alien species advanced enough to put every single individual into cold sleep
16:41:28 <Prozacelf> ....with MAGIC, obviously
16:41:43 <kvaak> yes, and every representative of said species spends the entire game smashing things with swords
16:41:46 <kvaak> or magic
16:41:48 <Prozacelf> heh
16:42:00 <Prozacelf> hey, globe 199 had lasers
16:42:09 <Prozacelf> i mean, magic lasers, i'm sure
16:42:11 <Prozacelf> but still lasers
16:42:22 <kvaak> did they go pew pew
16:42:45 <Prozacelf> i don't remember the associated sound effect precisely, but i'm pretty sure they did
16:44:13 * geekosaur notes that there have been quite serious research papers about shaping laser pulses with sound...
16:44:50 <Prozacelf> i wouldn't doubt that
16:45:01 <kvaak> I recall there was a clip with a spring(?) that sounded exactly like star wars lasers
16:45:12 <kvaak> the star ship lasers that is
16:45:17 <Prozacelf> i remember reading something from a group at penn st about using sound waves to refrigerate stuff
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16:52:03 <minmay> one time i was sitting in a class and i heard, unmistakably, the "puzzle solved" sound from the la-mulana remake
16:52:23 <minmay> so i looked at every laptop screen in the class and didn't find it
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17:10:07 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh s=br
17:10:07 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
17:10:08 <Sequell> 46775 milestones for * (br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh): 12745x Dis, 11512x Tar, 11335x Geh, 11162x Coc, 21x Hell
17:10:18 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh s=lg:br
17:10:19 <Sequell> 46775 milestones for * (br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh): 34856x D, 1779x Geh, 1624x Dis, 1530x Coc, 1399x Zig, 1321x Zot, 1115x Pan, 996x Tomb, 615x Tar, 203x Slime, 180x Abyss, 166x Hell, 66x Depths, 59x Vaults, 33x Lair, 33x Elf, 28x Crypt, 11x Orc, 8x Blade, 8x Temple, 6x Shoals, 5x Snake, 4x Bazaar, 4x Spider, 4x Hive, 3x Nor, 2x Forest, Swamp
17:10:26 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh s=noun
17:10:26 <Sequell> 46775 milestones for * (br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh): 12750x Dis, 11517x Tar, 11340x Geh, 11168x Coc
17:10:46 <gammafunk> !lm * recent !boring br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh / lg:br=$noun o=%
17:10:48 <Sequell> 804/15679 milestones for * (recent !boring br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh): N=804/15679 (5.13%)
17:10:54 <gammafunk> !lm * recent !boring br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh s=br / lg:br=$noun o=%
17:10:56 <Sequell> 804/15679 milestones for * (recent !boring br.enter=dis|tar|coc|geh): 274/4078x Dis [6.72%], 218/3775x Coc [5.77%], 221/3920x Geh [5.64%], 91/3906x Tar [2.33%]
17:11:59 <gammafunk> !lg * recent !boring br=dis s=ikiller
17:11:59 <Sequell> 274 games for * (recent !boring br=dis): 86x a Hell Sentinel, 37x the effects of Hell, 36x the Serpent of Hell, 21x Dispater, 20x a Brimstone Fiend, 17x a reaper, 11x a hellion, 8x a war gargoyle, 8x, 6x an Ice Fiend, 4x an iron dragon, 3x an enchanted glaive, 2x a skeletal warrior, 2x a quicksilver dragon, Muledax, a Shadow Fiend, a cacodemon, a titan zombie, an iron troll, Ugrim the orc warlord,...
17:12:04 <gammafunk> !lg * recent !boring br=dis s=ckaux
17:12:05 <Sequell> 274 games for * (recent !boring br=dis): 96x blast of hellfire, 56x, 22x iron shot, 17x burst of hellfire, 16x crystal spear, 11x spray of metal splinters, 7x scythe of slicing, 6x scythe of venom, 5x the effects of Hell, 5x scythe of protection, 4x the Staff of Dispater, 4x bolt of dispelling energy, 3x scythe of freezing, 2x scythe of flaming, 2x bolt of fire, 2x by dispel undead, 2x bolt of col...
17:12:18 <gammafunk> !lg * recent !boring br=geh s=ckaux
17:12:19 <Sequell> 221 games for * (recent !boring br=geh): 104x blast of hellfire, 59x burst of hellfire, 17x, 12x by divine providence, 6x the Sceptre of Asmodeus, 5x fireball, 2x iron shot, bolt of fire, puff of flame, spray of metal splinters, vampiric scythe, shard of ice, blast of cold, great sword of flaming, bolt of magma, blast of flame, demon whip of electrocution, wavering orb of destruction, scythe of fr...
17:13:18 <gammafunk> !lg * recent !boring br=geh s=ikiller
17:13:19 <Sequell> 221 games for * (recent !boring br=geh): 49x a Brimstone Fiend, 47x a hellion, 38x the effects of Hell, 29x the Serpent of Hell, 27x Asmodeus, 10x a balrug, 3x a smoke demon, 3x a lich, 3x a Hell Sentinel, 3x, 2x a reaper, 2x a fire giant, an ice dragon zombie, a titan zombie, a hell knight, a salamander firebrand, the fury of Okawaru
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17:49:19 <gammafunk> .gfmap -tv:channel=moon:>$
17:49:19 <Sequell> 343. perunasaurus, XL16 MuAK, T:45166 requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
17:50:34 <gammafunk> !lg * moonland br=wizlab s=map
17:50:35 <Sequell> 59 games for * (moonland br=wizlab): 15x wizlab_lehudib, 14x wizlab_doroklohe, 7x wizlab_wucad, 7x wizlab_iskenderun, 6x wizlab_demon, 5x wizlab_golubria, 2x wizlab_zonguldrok, 2x wizlab_cigotuvi, wizlab_cloud
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18:01:12 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1562-g9b2c768 (34)
18:01:52 <amalloy> !kw moonland
18:01:53 <Sequell> Keyword: moonland => vlong>=0.17-a0-488-g0a147b9
18:03:18 <gammafunk> not really the most accurate query,since the moon troll changed recently
18:03:24 <gammafunk> the point is I'm better than dpeg
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18:05:24 <gammafunk> !lg sapher dewz lg:urune=15 lg:turns<28000 won
18:05:24 <Sequell> 1. Sapher the Demonologist (L25 DEWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-23 13:43:10, with 57282634 points after 25058 turns and 22:29:01.
18:05:47 <gammafunk> !lm sapher dewz lg:urune=15 lg:turns<28000 won (( rune || br.enter || orb || abyss.enter )) s=turns,noun o=-turns
18:05:47 <Sequell> 38 milestones for sapher (dewz lg:urune=15 lg:turns<28000 won ((rune || br.enter || orb || abyss.enter))): 185 (Temple), 2964 (Lair), 6953 (Vaults), 8811 (silver), 9161 (Swamp), 9791 (decaying), 9881 (Snake), 10507 (serpentine), 10677 (Slime), 10857 (slimy), 12152 (Crypt), 12282 (Tomb), 13028 (golden), 13524 (Pan), 14938 (Pan), 15002 (glowing), 15113 (Pan), 15328 (dark), 15562 (Pan), 2x 15712 (2x ...
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18:33:10 <Cheibriados> 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-1563-g1c70a47: Remove water moccasins from Naga Ritualist bands 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c70a4705de6
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18:39:17 <wheals> seems like that makes their bands a lot scarier
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18:41:33 <Henzell> einhandr (L8 SpAs)  (D (Sprint))
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18:42:16 <reaverb> wheals: Water Moccasins were something like 15% of the band, seems small to me. I actually have to go now, feel free to make any secondary changes/reverts you like.
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18:47:34 <wheals> oh, indeed it's not as big a percentage as I thought
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20:10:55 <gammafunk> @??elemental_wellspring
20:10:55 <Gretell> elemental wellspring (11E) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 68-84 | AC/EV: 8/8 | 11non-living, regen, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1391 | Sp: primal wave (3d21) [06!sil] | Sz: Big | Int: brainless.
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20:18:53 <Prozacelf> yo neil, you know what's up with these periodic cszo outages?
20:19:07 <Prozacelf> they usually only last a couple minutes, but still
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20:44:58 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/94 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/94
20:44:58 <Cheibriados> 03ldierk02 {Lothar Dierkes} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/94 * 0.17-a0-1565-g521e051: use unwind_bool typedef 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/521e0512c5ca
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22:39:38 <Chance672> so i just got a message in game
22:39:48 <Chance672> Item buggily placed out of bounds at (0, 0)
22:40:04 <Chance672> any way i can help?
22:41:51 <geekosaur> save game, file a bug on mantis, attach save file?
22:41:53 <geekosaur> ??mantis
22:41:54 <Sequell> mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
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23:00:20 <gammafunk> log . tr won
23:00:24 <gammafunk> !log . tr won
23:00:25 <Sequell> 2. gammafunk, XL26 TrHu, T:73020: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20150214-045856.txt
23:01:44 <gammafunk> !log . tr won -2
23:01:46 <Sequell> 1/2. gammafunk, XL27 TrWr, T:82508: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20140525-093240.txt
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23:59:12 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1564-g7b572aa (34)