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04:03:58 <Lightli> ok
04:04:05 <Lightli> now that I've won a 15-rune game for the first time in years
04:04:25 <Lightli> I've noticed a suspicious lack of corrossion/acid in extended
04:04:45 <Lightli> (basically Slime Pits obviously, but outside of that the only vaguely significant source were rust devils)
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07:24:21 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1143-ge0c8ec5: Fix spacing 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0c8ec544ce5
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12:37:18 <MarvinPA> did you know: bat form gives you the same spellcasting penalty as spider form
12:37:30 <MarvinPA> also bat form can't cast spells
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12:40:55 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1145-gf9db7f2: Don't give bat form a spellcasting penalty 10(76 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9db7f251f1e
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12:48:18 <MarvinPA> wow is there really a special case that allows static discharge to arc through shock serpents because they "conduct electricity"
12:48:29 <MarvinPA> (but no other relec monsters do)
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12:54:07 <MarvinPA> oh i guess they originally actually cast discharge/used it as their retaliation effect, that makes it slightly less mysterious and weird i guess
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12:54:35 <geekosaur> last I checked they still did something like that
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12:55:36 <MarvinPA> right but it's not the actual "static discharge" spell any more
12:56:17 <MarvinPA> it's its own weird thing
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13:17:24 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: I have a project to change shock serpent discharge from "retaliation against all hostiles (but not allies) in radius' to 'retaliation against the source of damage (if in reach)'. been halfheartedly poking at it for the last month or so
13:17:40 <PleasingFungus> it involves both beams and fineffs
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13:18:21 <MarvinPA> mmmm
13:19:12 <MarvinPA> sounds like a good idea, also incredibly fun i'm sure!
13:19:36 <st_> I just hope the beams are square
13:20:41 <PleasingFungus> haha
13:24:43 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1145-gf9db7f2 (34)
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13:29:05 <geekosaur> The acid corrodes the fungus's equipment!
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13:42:19 <PleasingFungus> oh god, right, messages
13:42:23 <PleasingFungus> someone should really change those
13:42:42 <PleasingFungus> !ping Lasty_
13:42:43 <Sequell> pong Lasty_
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13:42:47 <PleasingFungus> ...huh
13:42:54 <PleasingFungus> sometimes I think sequell has too many commands.
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13:52:02 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: hey?
13:52:09 <Lasty_> oh, yeah
13:52:12 <PleasingFungus> ya
13:52:15 <Lasty_> messages should definitely be changed
13:52:19 <Lasty_> until fungi can wear hats
13:52:30 <PleasingFungus> well......
13:52:37 <PleasingFungus> (:
13:52:56 <PleasingFungus> but yeah, just say 'the x is corroded' or s/t probably
13:53:10 <Lasty_> yeah
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14:13:42 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1147-gfdcf504: Remove shock serpents' special-casing for Static Discharge 10(83 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fdcf504e38fe
14:13:42 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1148-g34cd3a1: Adjust corrosion messages (geekosaur) 10(15 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34cd3a1f605d
14:13:42 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1149-ga0dc056: Reword and update spell descriptions 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 624+ 685-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0dc0565bb55
14:14:46 <MarvinPA> if anyone wants to proofread all of ability.txt and spells.txt that'd be good! i bet i typoed a bunch of stuff in all that
14:15:38 <MarvinPA> it was a fun way to discover ridiculous special cases, also
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14:17:38 <simmarine> i love that theres a blink other, blink close, and blink other close
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14:25:09 <Lasty_> FR: rename constriction "hold other close". #crawlvalentinesday
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14:45:19 <PleasingFungus> hm. are yred's animate remains/dead temporary now, like the spells?
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14:46:47 <Lasty_> They weren't intended to be, but I might have messed up.
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15:03:31 <amalloy> so there are player spells that buff any of AC, EV, and SH. is there a reason not to have a spell that gives you temporary MR+? it seems like it could be a useful tool, but maybe it is a bad idea because it would be tedious to keep up all the time or something?
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15:06:41 <elliptic> amalloy: same reason there isn't a spell that gives temporary rElec (any more) - boring situationally-useful spells that duplicate item properties aren't very good
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15:07:42 <elliptic> ??insulation
15:07:42 <Sequell> insulation[1/1]: Removed spell (0.11) which gave rElec for its duration.
15:07:44 <amalloy> i see. the other three i listed are good because they're useful in every fight, no matter how much AC/EV/SH you already have, whereas there would be a lot of fights where you don't need the MR+
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15:09:25 <elliptic> yeah, though the "tedious to keep up all the time" thing is still not great of course
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15:10:36 <Lasty_> I assume eventually we'll fix that
15:11:08 <amalloy> speaking of keeping up all the time, it seems weird that DMsl and RMsl are the only buffs that keep themselves up. it seems like they're situationally useful too. i gather there was an old version with a duration; i suppose it was changed because nobody liked casting it before a fight, or...?
15:15:32 <Lasty_> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8db4b0499025
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15:16:07 <Lasty_> hrrm, not a lot of talk about why in that release note
15:17:25 <Lasty_> MarvinPA: Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the motivation was that it's more interesting to have to cast it less, but run the risk of losing the spell during combat at low power.
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15:19:38 <amalloy> could ozo's and so on be given a similar treatment? keeping them up all the time is not much fun either
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15:25:11 <Lasty_> amalloy: My view is "yes". I haven't had a chance to discuss w/ anyone else whether there's a reason not to. Many people have floated various schemes for always-on charms.
15:26:11 <MarvinPA> that system just introduces a different set of problems, changing other buffs to use it is probably not a good idea
15:27:10 <MarvinPA> having it be more likely to expire in combat is an improvement but other stuff works worse (like letting you take off your armour to cast it or whatever)
15:30:06 <amalloy> ugh, yes. i saw someone taking off chain mail or something, to cast dmsl at 80% instead of 100%
15:30:22 <Lasty_> I've always felt that that would be solvable by making both effective spellpower and chance of failing update as your equipment changes -- take of a ring of ice, Ozo's spellpower goes down. Put on a plate armour, chance of repel missiles failing on the next shot goes up. . . .
15:30:52 <Lasty_> I suppose the problem is that repel missiles uses spellpower to determine chance to fail on deflection, not spell success rate
15:31:00 <amalloy> right
15:31:25 <MarvinPA> yes rmsl already adjusts with your power iirc
15:31:28 <amalloy> there are a few durations that update themselves when your spellpower changes (notably dmsl/rmsl and, i recently discovered, tornado)
15:31:49 <amalloy> but none that care about fail% once you've cast it, which would be a little weird
15:32:41 <Lasty_> This is a bigger change, but I'd like to see spellpower determine effectiveness, and spell success rate determine chance to fail any given time the spell is tested
15:33:03 <amalloy> how are spells "tested" though?
15:33:14 <Lasty_> Arguably do the full casting success test, including possibility of miscasts
15:33:38 <Lasty_> amalloy: that's where things can get tricky. Some are easy: Ozo's is tested when you take damage that's resisted w/ AC.
15:33:45 <Lasty_> Something like Haste, tho . . .
15:34:15 <Lasty_> I think Haste just has to work as it does now
15:34:57 <amalloy> Lasty_: but if you make ozo's tested when you take damage, do you make it depend on the amount of damage done? is invisibility checked when a monster attempts to notice you?
15:35:27 <Lasty_> Invis and Haste probably would not work well as "permanent" duration spells
15:35:45 <PleasingFungus> haste and invis don't need fixing in the way that the other buffs do, no.
15:35:49 <Lasty_> But Ozo's, say, I would have check on every hit, just like rmsl checks on every thrown stone.
15:36:32 <amalloy> Lasty_: does it care about the size of the hit? it'd be weird if ozo's fell apart immediately to a horde of rats but stood up valiantly against a single dragon
15:37:00 <Lasty_> amalloy: is it weird that rmsl falls quickly to a horde of centaurs and stands up valiantly against a single dragon?
15:37:09 <amalloy> rmsl is actually only "checked" on stones that almost hit you
15:37:23 <amalloy> so stuff that has a very hard time hitting you doesn't drop rmsl even if there's a lot
15:37:23 <Lasty_> Oh, didn't know that
15:37:35 <Lasty_> Could do the same thing w/ AC for Ozo's
15:38:20 <amalloy> Lasty_: first you attempt to block, then you apply normal EV, and then if it still would you rmsl's ability triggers and gives you bonus effective EV; if it now misses you, rmsl has a chance to fall off
15:39:24 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: only if you'd have taken damage without ozo's on?
15:39:40 <PleasingFungus> the code would probably be tricky.
15:39:44 <PleasingFungus> ac is checked in a lot of places.
15:39:46 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: I don't have a strong feeling about it, but that's certainly an option, for consistency w/ rmsl
15:40:01 <PleasingFungus> not sure that consistency with rmsl is critical
15:40:04 <amalloy> i don't think it has to be the same as rmsl
15:40:31 <amalloy> but if it were going to change, it would be nice to have a mechanic that doesn't do weird stuff like collapse against trivial early-game monsters
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15:41:14 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: nor am I, hence no strong feeling
15:41:56 <gammafunk> ....I have strong feelings...but they're about moon trolls...
15:42:07 <gammafunk> Was the primary complain about rmsl the "cast without armour" thing?
15:42:08 <PleasingFungus> gross, dude.
15:42:20 <gammafunk> *complaint about current rmsl
15:42:45 <PleasingFungus> iirc that was one of the big ones. there've been a million threads & discussions about it
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15:43:53 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: "With low power, items may not be moved all the way to the caster's position" is sort of ambiguous - can be read as "you must have high power to [ever] move items to your tile"
15:44:06 <|amethyst> s/may/might/
15:44:11 <PleasingFungus> sure
15:44:35 <PleasingFungus> Also, this isn't your fault, but "Continuously abjures hostile summoned creatures in the vicinity of the caster for a short while" is exhausting to read
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15:44:54 <gammafunk> it's music to *my* ears....
15:45:19 <PleasingFungus> adj verb adj adj n qualifier qualifier qualifier
15:45:30 <gammafunk> dang
15:45:34 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: also that "for a short while" grammatically could attach to "in the vicinity of the caster"
15:45:37 <Lasty_> *complaint: randart property that makes you whine when you take damage
15:45:46 <PleasingFungus> heh
15:45:58 <gammafunk> *zermako: property that makes you play like zermako when you take damage
15:45:59 <PleasingFungus> feels like it should be maybe two sentences. not sure how you'd split it
15:46:12 <PleasingFungus> rip zermako. he was the best of us.
15:46:35 <amalloy> While active, hostile summoned creatures around you are continuously abjured.
15:46:43 <amalloy> it's a bit passive, i guess
15:46:55 <PleasingFungus> has to be 'around the caster'
15:46:59 <amalloy> ah
15:47:06 <amalloy> well, that's an easy change
15:47:07 <Lasty_> Now that Zermako's not playing crawl, he'll have to go back to being a senator
15:47:29 <PleasingFungus> While active, hostile summoned creatures around the caster are continuously abjured. <- loses the duration mention but I don't think that's critical?
15:47:43 <PleasingFungus> I mean that's the thing you wrote but with the 'you' swapped out, I'm just re-reading it for feel
15:48:16 <PleasingFungus> hm. a reasonable objection would be "does a new player have any reason to know what 'abjuring' is
15:48:31 <PleasingFungus> esp now that abjuration is gone as a player spell
15:49:12 <PleasingFungus> oh, that's because you trimmed out the last clause.
15:49:17 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: i don't think the presence of single-target abjuration in game should have any influence on whether aura of abjuration needs it more spelled out. either it should or shouldn't; no player is going to go look up the spell abjure because they don't understand aura of abjuration
15:49:24 <PleasingFungus> true
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15:49:53 <PleasingFungus> well
15:50:01 <PleasingFungus> I more meant that players might have encountered Abjuration first
15:50:14 <PleasingFungus> but you're right that it should be spelled out regardless
15:50:20 <amalloy> abjure is a real english word, but i guess it doesn't really mean the same thing in magicky games than it does in real life
15:50:37 <gammafunk> "desummoned" "unsummoned" "Sent Back From Whence They Came"
15:50:45 <PleasingFungus> it has nothing to do with the game meaning, and also, it's not a word that non-meganerds know
15:51:06 <gammafunk> yeah I think I literally learned the words "abjure" and "convoke" from DCSS
15:51:29 <amalloy> gammafunk: aw c'mon, what about convocation? that's a word that's actually used, if only a little, in real life
15:51:32 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: fun game: mentally define 'abjure', and then look up the real definition
15:51:50 <MarvinPA> the hope was to have spell descriptions worded consistently so that they are all of the form "Does <something or other"
15:51:56 <MarvinPA> >
15:51:57 <PleasingFungus> Continuously abjures hostile summoned creatures near the caster. (This dramatically shortens the time before their summoning elapses.)
15:52:31 <PleasingFungus> the bit in parentheticals is in italics, since it's rules reminder text. obviously
15:52:44 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: It does have something to do with the game meaning, in that historically it's been used in the same context in exorcism, for example.
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15:53:19 <PleasingFungus> yeah there's a tenuous and indirect link there
15:54:24 <PleasingFungus> heh, rip 'stronger! faster! tougher!'
15:54:24 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
15:56:55 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: extreme bikeshedding time: I'm not super fond of 'firing' for the bolt spells. maybe "launches", as in "Launches a penetrating bolt of flames"...?
15:56:58 <PleasingFungus> idk
15:57:37 <amalloy> i like fire a lot more than launch, in that context
15:57:42 <PleasingFungus> lmao @ new cantrip description
15:57:43 <MarvinPA> i wasn't entirely consistent there, i kept "throws" or "hurls" in a few places
15:58:01 <PleasingFungus> that kind of inconsistency makes ME want to hurl ha ha ha ha ha
15:58:04 <Lasty_> I also prefer fire to launch in that context
15:58:26 <PleasingFungus> aight, I'll yield it.
15:58:38 <gammafunk> give up, Grammar Fiend!
15:58:39 <MarvinPA> cantrip took me ages to come up with something that didn't sound like it actually caused fear or something! a great achievement imo
15:58:49 <Lasty_> I'd also accept "casts" or "shoots" or even "conjures"
15:58:55 <PleasingFungus> now, someone just has to poke at the messages...
15:59:00 <MarvinPA> oh yeah conjures is used in a bunch of places
15:59:02 <PleasingFungus> it's on my todo. relatively near the top, even!
15:59:35 <MarvinPA> i think cantrip could just lose the "enchant player" messages and just have the self-enchant ones (that's what came to mind from changing the desc at least)
15:59:53 <PleasingFungus> honestly, those ones are more problematic
15:59:58 <PleasingFungus> the foo's eyes glow or w/e makes it sound like it's Powering Up
16:00:12 <PleasingFungus> I think it was minmay who suggested making them goofy 'spell failure' messages or s/t like that
16:00:15 <Lasty_> an orc wizard (eye glow)
16:00:30 <MarvinPA> oh right yeah i remember the other idea now
16:00:38 <Lasty_> Shouldn't glowing eyes prevent invis?!?!?!
16:00:38 <MarvinPA> which was "why does cantrip even need to exist now"
16:00:43 <PleasingFungus> The orc wizard fumbles with its spell components and drops a @witchy_bit@! (eye of newt, wing of bat, etc)
16:01:31 <PleasingFungus> hm, exactly four spellbooks have cantrip
16:01:42 <MarvinPA> clearly make it gastronok-only
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16:01:50 <MarvinPA> SPELL_SLUGFORM
16:02:17 <Lasty_> "Gastronok summons a rat directly into its mouth"
16:02:43 <PleasingFungus> corresponding to six monsters (blork & psyche, orc wizard, orc priest, kobold demonologist, gastronok)
16:03:12 <gammafunk> only no.s 3 and 4 are really important
16:03:13 <PleasingFungus> also, MarvinPA, PLEASE do not give away the key upcoming transmutation spells for 0.17.....
16:03:41 <gammafunk> in that changing them has significant balance implications
16:03:48 <MarvinPA> gammafunk: well as far as actual functionality goes i think none are important? since now spell weights exist
16:03:59 <gammafunk> well, cantrip is a lost action, no?
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16:04:09 <gammafunk> do we have a way to do this with spell weights?
16:04:10 <MarvinPA> i mean i guess if you consider kobold demonologist melee to be important
16:04:25 <PleasingFungus> psyche melee?
16:04:30 <gammafunk> 3 and 4 meant orc wizard and orc priest :P
16:04:33 <PleasingFungus> I guess psyche doesn't matter at all
16:04:43 <PleasingFungus> that dagger, tho...
16:05:14 <MarvinPA> i don't think removing cantrip from orc wizards and priests and reducing their spellcasting chances to compensate would have significant balance implications
16:05:14 <Lasty_> she is fast, which means there are cases where what she does matters
16:05:47 <PleasingFungus> she is!?
16:05:51 <PleasingFungus> @??psyche
16:05:52 <Gretell> Psyche (13@) | Spd: 13 | HD: 5 | HP: 39 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 424 | Sp: throw frost (3d6), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d6), magic dart (3d4), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.
16:05:56 <PleasingFungus> son of a bitch.
16:05:59 <Lasty_> yup
16:06:00 <PleasingFungus> also
16:06:02 <PleasingFungus> 2960 games for * (banisher!=): 276x Sonja, 236x a distortion unwield, 227x a deep elf sorcerer, 221x Psyche...
16:06:16 <PleasingFungus> higher than erolcha for getting people killed in the abyss
16:06:22 <Lasty_> yup
16:06:29 <gammafunk> I think in the end it actually will because those are just such dangerous enemies, but I agree that it's a kludge. They'll get more movement/melee actions instead of "no action"
16:06:36 <Lasty_> Two fast uniques w/ distortion weapons
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16:07:06 <Lasty_> More movement actions means it'll be harder to lose an orc priest w/o getting smited once per tile of distance
16:07:11 <gammafunk> I guess it's better to just remove it, see if anything feels out of place, and do something about it only if said feeling occurs
16:07:14 <PleasingFungus> yeah, I wouldn't argue that orc wizard/priest is insignificant. I don't think I could justify keeping cantrip just for psyche, but for those two, it's more reaosnable
16:07:29 <MarvinPA> i hear that crawl is too easy and for babies now so making orc wizards and priests scarier is a great idea
16:07:34 <gammafunk> CASUAL
16:07:38 <PleasingFungus> hm
16:07:43 <PleasingFungus> how is trunk doing these days, anyway?
16:07:46 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk / won
16:07:52 <Sequell> 1633/128821 games for * (current trunk): N=1633/128821 (1.27%)
16:07:57 <PleasingFungus> v0v
16:08:03 <gammafunk> !lg * current trunk name!=gammafunk / won
16:08:10 <Sequell> 1633/128698 games for * (current trunk name!=gammafunk): N=1633/128698 (1.27%)
16:08:13 <gammafunk> dang
16:08:14 <PleasingFungus> sorry
16:08:18 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk !boring / won
16:08:18 <MarvinPA> completely insignificant
16:08:24 <Sequell> 1633/111662 games for * (current trunk !boring): N=1633/111662 (1.46%)
16:08:29 <PleasingFungus> !lg * cv=0.16-a !boring / won
16:08:30 <Sequell> 3956/285301 games for * (cv=0.16-a !boring): N=3956/285301 (1.39%)
16:08:41 <PleasingFungus> !lg * cv=0.15-a !boring / won
16:08:42 <Sequell> 2130/232459 games for * (cv=0.15-a !boring): N=2130/232459 (0.92%)
16:08:46 <PleasingFungus> !lg * cv=0.14-a !boring / won
16:08:47 <Sequell> 2200/323463 games for * (cv=0.14-a !boring): N=2200/323463 (0.68%)
16:08:55 <PleasingFungus> neat
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16:10:02 <PleasingFungus> idk. yeah, probably cantrip could just go (though I don't think it has anything to do with spell weights?)
16:10:13 <PleasingFungus> (since I think this is just equivalent to having empty spell slots, before...)
16:10:37 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: I appreciate that you tweaked Debugging Ray's description
16:10:46 <MarvinPA> v. important yes
16:11:00 <PleasingFungus> Also, did you mean to remove the mention that undead can't use death's door?
16:11:31 <MarvinPA> yes, since it's already shown when you examine the spell in game
16:11:37 <PleasingFungus> ahh
16:11:40 <MarvinPA> You cannot memorise this spell because you're too dead.
16:11:40 <PleasingFungus> hm
16:11:41 <MarvinPA> amazing
16:11:44 <PleasingFungus> but
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16:12:46 <MarvinPA> wow, but what???
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16:13:12 <PleasingFungus> sorry, locked up. anyway, I'd think the real problem is the gotcha for necromut players
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16:13:38 <PleasingFungus> oh man, I'm gonna learn these two powerful high-level necro spells! oh, now I'm dying, time to cast death's door! wait, what?
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16:14:40 <MarvinPA> hm, i guess so
16:15:32 <Lasty_> Sounds like fun to me
16:15:54 <minmay> imo make necromutation unmemorizable for all races and put "if you want this just play a mummy instead" in its description
16:15:54 <Sequell> minmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
16:15:55 <PleasingFungus> huh. canonically, both ice beasts and sky beasts are not beasts.
16:16:07 <PleasingFungus> I wonder if I can put this in crawlcode somehow.
16:16:37 <minmay> ??book of beasts
16:16:37 <Sequell> book of beasts[1/1]: Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Monstrous Menagerie, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. Prior to 0.14 it has Ice Form and Sticks to Snakes instead of Menagerie and Mana Viper.
16:16:40 <minmay> what about that
16:17:02 <Lasty_> well, for starters it's not accurate
16:17:12 <Lasty_> Did something get put in to replace menagerie?
16:17:19 <Lasty_> or was it just removed?
16:17:21 <PleasingFungus> it's in the changelog, I think
16:17:24 <PleasingFungus> the answer to your question
16:17:29 <Lasty_> !source changelog.txt
16:17:31 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt
16:17:35 <MarvinPA> not iirc
16:17:40 <PleasingFungus> ah, answer is nothing
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16:18:26 <PleasingFungus> !learn s book_of_beasts[1 Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. In 0.16-, also Monstrous Menagerie.
16:18:26 <Sequell> book of beasts[1/1]: Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. In 0.16-, also Monstrous Menagerie.
16:18:35 <Lasty_> !learn set book_of_beasts Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. Prior to 0.17, had Monstrous Menagerie. Prior to 0.14 it has Ice Form and Sticks to Snakes instead of Menagerie and Mana Viper.
16:18:35 <Sequell> book of beasts[1/1]: Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. Prior to 0.17, had Monstrous Menagerie. Prior to 0.14 it has Ice Form and Sticks to Snakes instead of Menagerie and Mana Viper.
16:18:38 <Lasty_> argh
16:18:45 <PleasingFungus> don't think we need 0.13- entries, tb
16:18:47 <PleasingFungus> h
16:18:50 <Lasty_> find w/ me
16:18:53 <PleasingFungus> !learn s book_of_beasts[1 Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. In 0.16-, also Monstrous Menagerie.
16:18:53 <Sequell> book of beasts[1/1]: Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. In 0.16-, also Monstrous Menagerie.
16:18:55 <Lasty_> didn't mean to overwrit yours :p
16:19:02 <PleasingFungus> it's just funny that we did it at nearly the same time
16:19:05 <PleasingFungus> to me
16:19:18 <PleasingFungus> also, the book entries are a little weird, since I'm not sure how useful they are for players or devs
16:19:20 <PleasingFungus> book learndb entries
16:19:21 <Lasty_> man, also I can't type suddenly
16:19:28 <PleasingFungus> no one can type.
16:20:24 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: Freezes the air around a target, causing significant harm and causing a thick sheet of ice to form, slowing the target's movement. <- hrm
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16:21:10 <MarvinPA> could probably just cut out the thick sheet of ice bit there
16:21:47 <PleasingFungus> maybe "Freezes the air around a target, causing significant harm and slowing the target's movement."
16:21:49 <PleasingFungus> hm
16:23:11 <PleasingFungus> I think the force lance description needs a comma somewhere
16:23:19 <PleasingFungus> Fires a shaft of concussive force which may send its target hurtling backwards if the impact is not nullified by their defenses.
16:24:07 <PleasingFungus> also
16:24:13 <PleasingFungus> your description of ghostly flames is wrong
16:24:21 <PleasingFungus> it isn't resisted by anything
16:24:29 <PleasingFungus> it just does no damage
16:24:42 <MarvinPA> oh, what on earth
16:24:46 <PleasingFungus> yes
16:24:49 <Lasty_> I thought it was resisted by rN
16:24:52 <PleasingFungus> no
16:24:53 <Lasty_> was that removed?
16:24:56 <PleasingFungus> it was never a thing
16:25:06 <Lasty_> Ghostly fireball is resisted by rN, right?
16:25:09 <PleasingFungus> yes
16:25:09 <MarvinPA> i even looked that up (to discover that it ignores half ac, also what on earth)
16:25:14 <Lasty_> ffs
16:25:15 <PleasingFungus> they're totally unrelated to each other
16:25:19 <PleasingFungus> except a vague undead thing
16:25:25 <Lasty_> that's very silly
16:25:27 <MarvinPA> wow that's the worst
16:25:32 <PleasingFungus> (:
16:25:49 <MarvinPA> so all it does is heal undead and create spectrals?
16:26:01 <Lasty_> "why would this ghostly fire be like those ghostly flames? Totally unrelated! The latter is resisted by SustAt and long showers"
16:26:32 <MarvinPA> oh so the old desc was wrong too?
16:26:48 <MarvinPA> that gives me an excuse imo
16:27:19 <MarvinPA> ok it definitely does damage
16:27:38 <MarvinPA> You are engulfed in ghostly flame.
16:27:38 <MarvinPA> you take 14 damage from cloud: ghostly flame.
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16:29:45 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: by no damage I meant practically no damage
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16:29:59 <PleasingFungus> by the time you run into it. I haven't fought many ghost crabs in swamp, tho
16:30:05 <Lasty_> 14 is a pretty heavy hit from ghostly flame
16:30:13 <MarvinPA> oh that is a confusing way to say it does damage, yes :P
16:30:13 <Lasty_> in swamp they're a bit nasty
16:30:23 <MarvinPA> but yes i see that it uses BEAM_NONE
16:30:49 <Lasty_> Really should be resisted w/ rN. If no one else is gonna do that, I might.
16:31:05 <MarvinPA> yes can probably just make it use BEAM_GHOSTLY_FLAME because why on earth doesn't it
16:31:17 <MarvinPA> and then remove the thing where that pierces AC i guess
16:31:23 <MarvinPA> because why on earth does it
16:31:50 <Lasty_> Because ghosts can go through walls!
16:31:56 <Lasty_> (but not in crawl)
16:32:12 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: will you also increase the amount of damage it deals
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16:32:58 <PleasingFungus> honestly I think it might be fine if it was just 'ghost-summoning clouds', without associated damage. maybe even without associated healing. idk tho
16:33:19 <MarvinPA> the healing is weird too yeah
16:33:24 <Lasty_> I'd be fine w/ that
16:34:45 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1150-g17b0b87: Improve more spell descriptions 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/17b0b87693d1
16:35:03 <gammafunk> hrm, do etc colours work with the feature rc option...
16:36:00 <PleasingFungus> hm, meph no longer mentions the rpois interaction
16:36:05 <gammafunk> &rc Lasty
16:36:07 <Sequell> http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/Lasty.rc
16:36:45 <Lasty_> gammafunk: my colors are not great right now. I had an idea, and it worked out meh.
16:36:50 <PleasingFungus> also lol @ cutting the kb-era orb of destruction monster/player difference justification
16:36:53 <PleasingFungus> rip...
16:36:57 <Lasty_> I need to redo them. Item colors, specifically.
16:37:35 <gammafunk> Lasty_: going to change the sif altar to its own glyph, since for the very first time I found the altar and didn't notice it (due to not paying attention and it being somewhat obscured in an overflow temple)
16:37:54 <gammafunk> either the smiley char or a heart char, if there's a single-width one
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16:38:44 <MarvinPA> PleasingFungus: there were more than a few kbisms tragically lost, yes
16:38:55 <MarvinPA> see also porkalator
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16:45:16 <wheals> hm, i wonder if stronger faster tougher was mine
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17:03:13 <PleasingFungus> !blame3 wheals
17:03:13 <Sequell> wheeeeeaaaaals
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17:16:33 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: for the record, the sexypleasingfungusdreams were apparently about a monster with "the ability of wardens, convokers, sentinels - the whole shebang in one big package, as well as the corrosion ability of my least favourite new addition, the entropy weavers."
17:19:09 <gammafunk> Monstrus: unique with every single monster spell and ability
17:19:31 <PleasingFungus> does that include stuff like giant spores exploding
17:19:34 <wheals> PleasingFungus: to be fair, if you don't want people to think that you shouldn't have added all those monsters!
17:19:41 <PleasingFungus> wheals: harsh, but fair.
17:21:00 <wheals> Has DracoLastyFungus Gone Too Far? The Answer May Surprise You!
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17:21:09 <PleasingFungus> Hell, I'm surprised already!
17:21:22 <PleasingFungus> I really appreciate that Summon Mana Vipers specifies the colour of the summoned snakes.
17:21:23 <PleasingFungus> (Violet.
17:22:32 <PleasingFungus> hey, wheals
17:22:43 <PleasingFungus> !source godabil.cc:818
17:22:44 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc#l818
17:22:55 <PleasingFungus> opinions on the // XXX comment?
17:23:30 <wheals> perhaps the daze messages don't make sense for mindless things?
17:23:37 <wheals> i admit i don't remember what they are
17:24:12 <PleasingFungus> would be easy to squash dazed messages for mindless creatures, if it goes through the usual mon-speak channels
17:24:14 <PleasingFungus> hm
17:24:45 <wheals> "The giant spore is lost in a daze."
17:25:40 <wheals> admittedly "The giant spore is distracted by the nearby gold/
17:26:25 <PleasingFungus> the other odd one I noticed was line 483
17:26:39 <wheals> anyway i don't see any gameplay reason
17:27:14 <PleasingFungus> I guess that's looking for 'beasts'. maybe it should just use is_beast or s/t
17:27:27 <PleasingFungus> and yeah maybe I'll remove the daze int check at some point
17:27:32 <PleasingFungus> probably not a huge deal either way
17:27:58 <wheals> e.g. zombies
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17:28:14 <wheals> though i forget if those are actually impure
17:29:27 <wheals> i'm not sure if anything falls into that whole if though?
17:29:39 <Cheibriados> For newer versions, use @?? to query Gretell.
17:29:39 <wheals> %??giant leech
17:29:57 <wheals> |amethyst: didn't you move Cheibriados recently?
17:30:02 <wheals> @??giant leech
17:30:02 <Gretell> giant leech (05w) | Spd: 8 (swim: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 45-74 | AC/EV: 5/15 | Dam: 3505(vampiric) | amphibious, evil | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Vul: 08holy | XP: 286 | Sz: Large | Int: insect.
17:30:30 <wheals> so i guess that if might make these not be considered impure, but IMO they should be
17:30:59 <PleasingFungus> what is Zin's position on "ew, gross"?
17:31:26 <PleasingFungus> I mean, I don't think those guys are supposed to actually be using necromantic energies, they're just bloodsuckers.
17:32:28 <minmay> make them undead and call them "vampire leech"
17:33:05 <wheals> bloodsucking vampire lifedraining leech
17:33:29 <minmay> i wonder how many people have tried to enslave a giant leech under a good god and been all like "wtf"
17:33:35 <PleasingFungus> does that...
17:33:39 <minmay> yes
17:33:42 <PleasingFungus> hm.
17:33:50 <PleasingFungus> how about that crawl, huh.
17:33:58 <minmay> i mean that enslavement restriction really shouldnt exist at all
17:34:10 <minmay> even if the criteria for "evil" made sense
17:38:54 <wheals> at any rate the definition of unclean for recitation should probably be the same as that for piety
17:39:02 <wheals> so i'm now all for removing that if
17:40:29 <PleasingFungus> reasonable
17:42:11 <wheals> remember when you got zin piety for killing komodo dragons
17:43:24 <PleasingFungus> I don't think I ever followed zin pre-extended & got to lair, back then
17:44:14 <gammafunk> !lg grunt huar !won
17:44:15 <Sequell> 74. SGrunt the Charlatan (L3 HuAr), mangled by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:2 on 2013-11-20 02:12:46, with 111 points after 1484 turns and 0:03:45.
17:44:21 <gammafunk> !lg grunt huar !won god=zin
17:44:22 <Sequell> 27. SGrunt the Bringer of Law (L23 HuAr of Zin), blown up by Boris on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2013-11-17 22:29:01, with 364858 points after 111279 turns and 5:11:49.
17:44:27 <gammafunk> !!!
17:45:07 <PleasingFungus> I still wish we'd gotten to witness death by boris's wand of magic darts
17:45:10 <PleasingFungus> remind me who was playing that game?
17:45:32 <wheals> !lg * killer=boris kaux~~dart
17:45:32 <Sequell> No games for * (killer=boris kaux~~dart).
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17:45:51 <PleasingFungus> wheals: he was at single-digit hp and boris was right there
17:45:57 <PleasingFungus> with his wand
17:46:00 <PleasingFungus> I was so hopeful.....
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17:50:08 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: ontoclasm
17:50:20 <gammafunk> and he should have died like 5 times in that game
17:50:21 <PleasingFungus> ahh
17:50:26 <PleasingFungus> hell, in that fight alone
17:50:51 <PleasingFungus> !lm ontoclasm vaults uniq=boris
17:50:52 <Sequell> 9. [2015-03-26 05:36:12] ontoclasm the Impaler (L18 OpSu of The Shining One) killed Boris on turn 61863. (Vaults:4)
17:50:59 <PleasingFungus> !lm ontoclasm vaults uniq=boris -tv
17:51:01 <Sequell> 9. ontoclasm, XL18 OpSu, T:61863 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
17:51:31 <gammafunk> Boris: "You can never win."
17:51:32 <PleasingFungus> Boris says, "You can never win". Boris zaps a wand. The magic dart hits you!
17:51:34 <gammafunk> Boris zaps a wand
17:51:35 <gammafunk> haha
17:52:03 <PleasingFungus> 3 hp
17:53:28 <gammafunk> I also find begging your shadow creatures to be very effective
17:53:32 <PleasingFungus> ya
17:53:43 <PleasingFungus> hey, it worked!
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17:55:34 <wheals> noted power combo opsu
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17:56:39 <PleasingFungus> opsu^tso, please
17:58:21 <gammafunk> "Suggestion: Merge Bread and Meat Rations" is turning into quite the thread
17:59:01 <PleasingFungus> did I post in that? I forget
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17:59:07 <PleasingFungus> so many gdd threads and they're all so tiring
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18:01:08 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: you did, and mps has you in his sights
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18:03:03 <PleasingFungus> I'm engaging him, which is unambiguously & obviously a mistake on my part.
18:03:06 <PleasingFungus> It's fun, though.
18:03:12 <PleasingFungus> sometimes I have poor impulse control.
18:05:41 <gammafunk> ??tome_of_destruction
18:05:41 <Sequell> tome of destruction[1/1]: Casts random conjurations when read. Power depends on evocation skill. Also explodes on occasion. You might also (un)luckily get a cloud of fog, random freezing/poisonous cloud, or a hostile small abomination. The page's writing has no bearing on the spell produced.  Destroyed in 0.16+
18:06:16 <PleasingFungus> ?
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18:09:11 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1150-g17b0b87 (34)
18:09:54 <gammafunk> rc file pruning
18:11:11 <wheals> The rcfile hits you from afar with the +8 Glaive of Prune {chop}!!!!!
18:12:46 <PleasingFungus> bet you there are people playing trunk who haven't noticed tomes being removed
18:13:44 <gammafunk> I had to check since I wasn't sure
18:14:33 <wheals> PleasingFungus: do you think there are people who have?
18:14:33 <gammafunk> oh, I bet there's no way to tell from your rc if you're playing online or not
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18:15:02 <PleasingFungus> ha!
18:15:17 <PleasingFungus> probably only people who read the wordpress.
18:16:47 <amalloy> that was removed in 0.16, right?
18:17:38 <Zannick> the wordpress?
18:17:41 <amalloy> i remember that was one of the reasons i switched from 0.15 to trunk, shortly before 0.16 came out: i had one game where i tried to acquire books, to get a manual on some kind of melee-only dude, and i kept getting tomes instead. might have been DDAs^Makhleb
18:18:41 <PleasingFungus> lmao
18:18:48 <PleasingFungus> and yeah i think it was 0.16
18:18:57 <PleasingFungus> %git :/ [Dd]estruction
18:18:57 <Cheibriados> 07doy02 * 0.17-a0-368-g6795a14: remove the concept of non-confusable monsters 10(8 weeks ago, 8 files, 6+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6795a1404acd
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18:19:06 <PleasingFungus> %git :/ [Tt]ome
18:19:06 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3706-g5dff784: Remove traces of tome of destruction. 10(4 months ago, 4 files, 2+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5dff7841a829
18:19:26 <PleasingFungus> Zannick: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/blog
18:19:46 <Zannick> PleasingFungus: < amalloy> that was removed in 0.16, right? < Zannick> the wordpress?
18:20:10 <PleasingFungus> o
18:20:19 <PleasingFungus> heh
18:20:21 <amalloy> jokes that PleasingFungus doesn't get are the best kind
18:20:37 <PleasingFungus> :(
18:20:48 <Zannick> eh, i'm sure they'll grow on him
18:21:01 <gammafunk> reaverb was great for not getting jokes
18:21:08 <gammafunk> then he started getting them and the fun was over
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18:21:46 <wheals> %git :/estroy the [Tt]ome
18:21:47 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3705-gd89b1cd: Destroy the tome of Destruction. 10(4 months ago, 14 files, 50+ 174-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d89b1cd13e52
18:22:20 <Zannick> %git :/^[Tt]ome
18:22:20 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit :/^[Tt]ome (git returned 128)
18:22:39 <Zannick> %git :/^[Bb]ook
18:22:39 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a0-4331-g2029ffc: Book of Tukima is an ex-book. 10(4 years, 5 months ago, 4 files, 7+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2029ffc6c4a4
18:23:14 <PleasingFungus> why... why was that a book
18:23:37 <Zannick> to guarantee tukima's sword dance, probably
18:24:51 <amalloy> wheals: FR amend https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d89b1cd13e52#diff-51b4d068bce5d0ad3760a82de2b71f66R1490 from obsoleteness to obsolescence
18:25:34 <wheals> Sadly, it didn't go into 0.16.
18:31:06 <minmay> wheals: "Unlike species intrinsics, the flight spell can run out, and since you can’t typically renew it mid-flight, this makes that not-water a potentially extremely dangerous terrain."
18:31:38 <wheals> maybe they only wield antimagic weapons with MP-9
18:31:57 <wheals> and somehow are also wielding a lantern of shadows at the same time
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18:34:20 <gammafunk> how de-meleed are rods at present?
18:34:47 <gammafunk> since in the optionns guide I see: melee           (Melee weapons, including rods and magical staves.)
18:35:00 <gammafunk> regarding prefixes attached to items
18:35:10 <wheals> they're treated as !a i think
18:35:18 <amalloy> they are, yes
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18:35:50 <gammafunk> I'll have to make sure said tag is no longer being attached to them
18:35:56 <gammafunk> and then update the options doc
18:41:54 <Lightli> so I won a 15-runer yesterday
18:41:58 <PleasingFungus> minmay: yeah that confused me
18:42:06 <Lightli> things that I noticed during it
18:42:30 <Lightli> 1: Stat drain is a huge fucking issue without SustAt
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18:42:40 <Lightli> At one point I dropped to -23 Int. From 13 Int.
18:42:59 <gammafunk> was this in tomb
18:43:18 <Lightli> no
18:43:22 <Lightli> mnoleg's level
18:43:27 <CanOfWorms> nice
18:43:38 <Lightli> so yeah I had to butcher my way back up to positive intelligence
18:43:45 <Lightli> including through mnoleg
18:43:47 <amalloy> there's no restab anymore, right? what do you even do to recover from -23 int? that sounds horrible
18:43:53 <Lightli> kill all the things
18:44:07 <Lightli> 2. Not much in the way of corrossion in extended
18:44:19 <Zannick> killing restores int?
18:44:25 <Lightli> drained stats in general
18:44:30 <CanOfWorms> stat drain works like regular drain now
18:44:37 <Zannick> huh
18:44:56 <Lightli> I mean yes, slime pits is a thing, but outside of that the only remotely common source of armor corrosion was from rust devils
18:45:02 <Lightli> THANK GOD
18:45:08 <CanOfWorms> reminds me of the time I was in shoals and got drained like -15 levels without noticing it
18:45:12 <CanOfWorms> getting rid of that was interesting
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18:46:18 <Lightli> 3. Tomb is actually easier than I thought it would be (rN+++ and SustAt made it just a case of <><><><><><>)
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18:46:31 <Lightli> Basically, don't put more acid into extended
18:47:26 <amalloy> Lightli: didn't you just say, "acid wasn't a threat at all, please don't add more"? if the goal for acid is to not be a threat you might as well remove the existing sources
18:47:45 <amalloy> (and since that hasn't happened, i infer that the goal is for acid to be a relevant threat)
18:48:24 <Lightli> well it is a threat in Slime Pits
18:49:47 <amalloy> in my recent games i have found the Corr threat in slime to be greatly exaggerated. if you have rCorr you just tab everything, and if you don't then you arrange to not fight multiple corr sources at once
18:50:19 <amalloy> and then for TRJ you can use !resist
18:52:02 <minmay> acid is a threat in slime?
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18:56:21 <amalloy> my last trip to slime was a dive for the altar, with no rcorr on an XL16 OgHu. it wasn't a walk in the park, but the acid wasn't the main problem, just that the enemies there were high level compared to me
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19:33:34 <amalloy> MarvinPA: since you are doing a bunch of description cleanups, want to merge a mild change to ash's description? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/44
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21:05:18 <PleasingFungus> yo, ser lastalot
21:05:20 <PleasingFungus> lasty
21:05:26 <PleasingFungus> I had a thought
21:06:36 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: "cursed... by equipment"?
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21:06:53 <PleasingFungus> I guess that's consistent with the old phrasing, but it's kind of odd in both
21:07:28 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: "cursed in..." is weird too, for the in-game messages like "you are partially bound in magic". it's not clear how to phrase ash's stuff
21:08:03 <amalloy> you can do it easily enough by leaving the game world and talking about equipment slots or something, but that is not how ashenzari would say it
21:08:16 <PleasingFungus> truly a god of esoteric knowledge and mystery.
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21:09:09 <amalloy> cursed with, perhaps?
21:10:43 <amalloy> i'm reminded of how arbitrary preposition choices are, on a per-language basis. like in english we dream about things, but in spanish you dream on things
21:11:45 <|amethyst> amalloy:  or in English you run out of the house, and in French (maybe Spanish too?) you exit the house running
21:11:48 <PleasingFungus> hm, my todo items went missing. annoying.
21:11:52 <PleasingFungus> I'll just have to improvise.
21:12:03 <_miek> ??goodreddit[$
21:12:03 <Sequell> goodreddit[10/10]: Holy God, Neil's hardcore. He's played most of the combinations over a dozen times.
21:12:09 <amalloy> PleasingFungus: TODO: improvise
21:13:14 <geekosaur> imp-rovise?
21:13:36 <PleasingFungus> that's a good goodreddit
21:13:48 <PleasingFungus> geekosaur: did you see the imp branch changes?
21:14:04 <PleasingFungus> I'm a secret imp fan. I want the imp species to succeed, and thrive.
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21:15:45 <PleasingFungus> I also secretly want to add more things to crawl, even though that's extremely illegal and forbidden.
21:17:05 <|amethyst> how impious!
21:17:27 <PleasingFungus> (:
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21:19:30 <bh> !lg neil
21:19:31 <Sequell> 10672. neil the Caller (L3 TeSu), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2015-05-25 15:01:06, with 46 points after 1909 turns and 0:04:21.
21:19:49 <bh> |amethyst: reddit seems to think you've played 3779522 games
21:19:57 <bh> oh, no. I can't read
21:20:09 <bh> you've just played more games than quitrobin
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21:22:06 <|amethyst> more different playable combos
21:22:25 <|amethyst> (also more games)
21:23:08 <johnstein> !hs * im--
21:23:09 <Sequell> No keyword 'im--'
21:23:19 <johnstein> !kw mi
21:23:19 <Sequell> Built-in: mi => crace=Minotaur
21:23:27 <johnstein> !hs * crace=imp
21:23:28 <Sequell> 258. Sandman25 the Intangible (L27 ImGl of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-05-18 01:53:22, with 13450493 points after 119647 turns and 15:36:26.
21:23:42 <johnstein> !hs * crace=imp s=score -graph:area
21:23:43 <Sequell> 258 games for * (crace=imp): https://shalott.org/graphs/e4b819373828560bfa145d5b402cf7437936f8fe.html
21:24:10 <johnstein> !hs * crace=imp x=score s=day(end) -graph:area
21:24:11 <Sequell> Extra fields (x=sc) contain non-aggregates
21:24:27 <johnstein> !hs * crace=imp s=day(end) -graph:area
21:24:28 <Sequell> 258 games for * (crace=imp): https://shalott.org/graphs/c52db4e5333c8c81860e2ada4c962f5c9e5e3e80.html
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21:25:42 <Lasty> PleasingFungus: what thought?
21:25:52 <PleasingFungus> so you know how you've been adding all these randart props
21:26:05 <Lasty> ayup
21:26:12 <PleasingFungus> did you ever talk about adding ponderous as a randart prop
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21:26:40 <Lasty> I did not! It might be okay on hard-to-swap stuff -- definitely not rings/weapons
21:27:06 <PleasingFungus> it's currently very rarely on ego body armour
21:27:14 <PleasingFungus> specifically, like, plate
21:27:16 <Lasty> Does walking slower change your rate of piety decay? If so, people might swap helmets for travelling
21:27:23 <PleasingFungus> heh
21:27:30 <PleasingFungus> and to say nothing of the hunger cost...
21:27:34 <Lasty> :p
21:27:42 <Lasty> Hunger doesn't matter, but piety does
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21:28:36 <Lasty> But yeah, ponderous on randarts could be interesting maybe
21:28:39 <PleasingFungus> do people swap Ponderhat on and off?
21:28:43 <Lasty> I'm not sure
21:28:55 <PleasingFungus> I guess the sort of optimizers who would do that sort of thing generally don't wear ponderhat
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21:42:49 <chequers> it's not mentioned in ??secret tech so that means nobody does it
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21:51:45 <johnstein> ??secret tech[19
21:51:45 <Sequell> mercenary card[1/4]: Summons a mercenary who demands money (between 85% and 115% of its XP value in gold). If you pay, you get a permanent friendly ally. If you don't or can't, you get a permanent enemy (and no XP or items from it). Found in decks of changes and wonders.
21:52:05 <johnstein> !learn q secret_tech[19
21:52:05 <Sequell> secret tech[19/22]: see {mercenary card}
21:52:07 <johnstein> why?
21:53:51 <chequers> does the merc card still even exist?
21:54:49 <johnstein> !readall mercenary_card
21:54:50 <Sequell> Summons a mercenary who demands money (between 85% and 115% of its XP value in gold). If you pay, you get a permanent friendly ally. If you don't or can't, you get a permanent enemy (and no XP or items from it). Found in decks of changes and wonders. / Possible mercenaries are: big kobold, merfolk, naga, tengu, orc knight, centaur warrior, spriggan rider (demonspawn in 0.15), ogre mage, minotaur, ...
21:56:33 <johnstein> ??secret_tech[2
21:56:34 <Sequell> slowimp[1/1]: 1: Summon an imp. 2: Slow the imp. 3: Clear zig with the imp.
21:56:36 <johnstein> ?
21:56:42 <johnstein> maybe I should be asking in ##crawl
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22:07:30 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: if you derail that thread any more with your lunatic console theories I will be forced to moderate you
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22:09:39 <PleasingFungus> (:
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23:43:55 <Buzzell> Unstable branch on crawl.buzz updated to: 0.17-a0-1150-g17b0b87 (34)
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23:52:56 <gammafunk> ??is_cbro_down
23:52:57 <Sequell> 39 minutes, 2 seconds since last activity (cbro)
23:53:04 <gammafunk> johnstein: problem with cbro?
23:53:21 <johnstein> ugh
23:53:35 <johnstein> ^players
23:53:35 <Rotatell> Berder (L18 @ Vaults:3, T:59785), Salasann (L18 @ Swamp:5, T:48169), murphyslaw (L17 @ Spider:1, T:41108), Veraticus (L13 @ Lair:5, T:21406), Glitz (L8 @ D:6, T:7787), exodus (L7 @ D:5, T:5748), Iamsock (L4 @ D:3, T:2993), CrayRabbit (L1 @ D:1, T:)
23:53:37 <johnstein> hm
23:53:42 <johnstein> problem with the command
23:53:51 <johnstein> !learn q is_cbro_down
23:53:51 <Sequell> is cbro down[1/1]: do {!isonline cbro}
23:54:01 <johnstein> !cmd !isonline
23:54:01 <Sequell> Command: !isonline => .echo $(=time_since_milestone $*) since last activity ($(replace . $nick $*))
23:54:08 <johnstein> !lm * cbro
23:54:09 <Sequell> 418219. [2015-05-27 03:13:54] moretoastpls the Chiller (L1 MfIE) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1)
23:54:33 <gammafunk> johnstein: it's not working for me, cbro that is
23:54:37 <johnstein> [20:48]	<Rotatell>	Salasann (L18 NaIE) reached level 5 of the Swamp. (Swamp:5)
23:54:46 <johnstein> that's the last milestone from ##crawl
23:54:49 <gammafunk> johnstein: you have a dns problem I think
23:55:46 <johnstein> $0.00	Empty	37 minutes ago
23:56:00 <johnstein> that's on my dns hosting account
23:56:03 <johnstein> ??doh
23:56:03 <Sequell> |amethyst[1/21]: <|amethyst> doh
23:57:56 <johnstein> gammafunk: ty for the update
23:58:02 <johnstein> should be back soon :/
23:58:13 <gammafunk> no prob, just happened to be trying to update my rc
23:58:23 <johnstein> I got the warning a few days ago
23:58:34 <johnstein> I just kept forgetting to throw some more coal on the fire
23:58:37 <johnstein> though
23:58:38 <johnstein> hmm
23:58:55 <johnstein> oh. it's the dns forwarding that's screwing up
23:59:18 <johnstein> 192.73.239.18
23:59:29 <johnstein> oh, not that :P
23:59:37 <johnstein> hahah
23:59:58 <johnstein> http://192.73.239.18:8080/