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There is "tile_show_demon_tier = false" option to to disable that. 05:57:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:57:59 is the tier of the demon that important to know though? 05:58:08 I still don't know what tiers some of the demons are 05:59:10 and also, I'm not sure how it actually shows the tier of the demon, and a new player would certainly not understand 06:00:34 It's not the best visualization, I agree. 06:02:45 It does give some idea about how scary the monster is, but haven't found it very useful myself either. 06:03:31 well, there is the name colour / dangerousness thing for that as well 06:03:43 I'm not sure it really adds anything except cluttering up the tile 06:03:45 Right. 06:05:23 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:06:36 Guess the best part about it is just grouping the demons together. 06:06:53 Pretty sure I thought it meant summoned monster when I started playing though :P 06:07:44 I mean I guess it's nice to have an indication that it's a demon 06:08:13 1learn add tiles_unreasons 06:08:15 but I'm not sure that outweighs the clutter aspect 06:09:18 I'm completely used to it, I'm just hoping tiles can be made even prettier 06:10:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:10:36 Lobby someone to change that setting default to false and see if people get mad 06:11:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:22:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:11 -!- ly^ has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:35:26 tiles player 06:39:50 -!- Guest26873 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:44:07 -!- paroneay` is now known as paroneayea 06:51:25 -!- paroneayea has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:52:11 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-778-g2ffce82: Give Maxwell's etheric cage a "RegenMP" inscription 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ffce82f56d5 06:58:08 -!- just_a_crawler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:04:01 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:04:52 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 07:08:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:12:07 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:13 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:21:31 -!- Sose has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:23:50 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:24:49 -!- serq has quit [Client Quit] 07:25:05 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:28:13 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:13 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:33:19 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:26 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 07:36:08 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:49 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:42 -!- barbs has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:50:38 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:11 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:57:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:05:58 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:13:59 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:17:28 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:21:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:43 question for anyone around: How much Ru piety should permanent inaccuracy be worth. Also, how much should {rF- rC-} be worth? 08:28:54 I'd probably put inaccuracy somewhere around 30 08:29:11 <|amethyst> hm, I was thinking less 08:29:28 30 = sac armour/durability 08:29:34 <|amethyst> since a -5 penalty becomes less and less important as the game goes on 08:29:41 and slightly more than sac experience 08:29:53 20-25 could work too 08:30:03 <|amethyst> maybe sac accuracy should prevent gaining to-hit with weapon skill/spellpower? 08:30:09 ?? sacrifice courage 08:30:09 sacrifice courage[1/2]: Ru ability: Spellpower and slaying penalties for having more than one tough monster in view (or any nasty monster). Scaled by number of such monsters in view 08:30:12 ?? sacrifice courage[2 08:30:12 <|amethyst> so it's more like sacrifice dodging 08:30:13 horror[1/1]: A status caused by Ru's Sacrifice Courage. The status applies a variable penalty to slaying and spellpower depending on how many MTHRT_TOUGH (yellow) and MTHRT_NASTY (red) monsters are visible. The status is yellow for 1-2 penalty, light red for 3-4 and red for 5+. 08:30:18 how much is this worth 08:30:26 |amethyst: oo, that'd be huge. ~35-40? 08:30:27 <|amethyst> 25 for courage 08:30:40 then ~20 for inacc sounds about right 08:31:08 I'm in favor of more big sacrifices, so it might be good to make sac eye pretty major 08:31:11 i wouldn't drop it below that since ru offers pop up somewhat relatively, 15 piety for inacc is... meh 08:31:17 *somewhat early 08:31:31 No accuracy for spellpower cripples most conjuration 08:32:10 <|amethyst> Lasty: I was thinking that would make it more like the ~70 of sac hand or sac artifice 08:32:13 kvaak: I had 22 as my starting guess, so I think we're on the same page 08:32:21 <|amethyst> but this is just a wild-ass guess 08:32:28 |amethyst: yeah, maybe so. It's pretty brutal. 08:32:42 doesn't nerf hexes or summoning at all tho 08:32:49 so there are workarounds 08:33:04 <|amethyst> Lasty: sac hand doesn't nerf conjuration at all, so... :) 08:33:04 but I suppose pure hexes/summong is pretty rough 08:33:06 i think just making it the same as "inacc is easier to understand 08:33:12 ^ 08:33:16 it's less fiddly too 08:33:25 It's definitely easier to code 08:33:43 <|amethyst> presumably they should stack though? 08:33:45 if magnitude is an issue, it could be 2x inacc or something 08:33:50 definitely stacking 08:34:22 hard to say about rF/rC, races with innate bonuses or penalties should probably get a bonus/penalty for starters 08:34:23 not like it would make much difference either way, but i guess just in case you find the amulet of the air :P 08:34:28 would 2x inacc be worth 40-45? 08:34:52 also rF should be worth more than rC 08:34:58 <|amethyst> kvaak: it's both at the same time 08:35:01 oh 08:35:54 kvaak: otherwise it's too easy to work around 08:36:13 well, otoh working around rF- rC- on a human is bad 08:36:22 you have to wear both rf+ and rc+ just to avoid extra damage 08:36:34 yep 08:41:54 kvaak: what's your intuition about the piety value of that? 08:44:28 hard to say, i'm not sure i'd take it at all unless i was a human with an early rf+ ring mail or something 08:44:41 so a lot, i guess 08:44:47 haha, yeah. 08:45:14 <|amethyst> it's like half HP against some monsters 08:45:33 yeah 08:45:51 <|amethyst> so could start with sac health, multiply it by 5, then scale it down by the proportion of dangerous encounters that involve fire or cold 08:46:06 <|amethyst> I have no feel for the last number though 08:46:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:23 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-779-g6e0c7d8: Don't redraw the screen when starting/ending gold distraction 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 2+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e0c7d809ce8 08:47:23 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-780-g35cfba7: Update and improve some god descriptions 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35cfba7a1875 08:47:23 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-781-g68f633f: Suppress Ignite Blood under Dithmenos 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68f633f9e1aa 08:47:23 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-782-gd9bc4fa: Make shadow form undispellable, end shadow form when abandoning Dith 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9bc4faf99b8 08:47:23 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-783-gee70914: Make Cheibriados wrath continue to slow the player until it expires 10(16 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ee709144b2b6 08:47:25 sac health is 20, so 100 scaled by the percentage of monsters that have fire/cold attacks . . . maybe 20%? Back down to 20. That doesn't feel right at all . . . 08:47:52 I'm inclined to say something like 40-80, currently aiming at 60 08:48:44 <|amethyst> Lasty: the percentage of truly dangerous encounters that involve one of those elements is probably >20% 08:49:06 |amethyst: ah, of -dangerous- encounters. Fair point. 08:49:09 <|amethyst> particularly if you weight by how dangerous they are and how much you have to lose 08:49:26 <|amethyst> I was going to wild-ass guess half, which would be 50, pretty close to your 60 08:49:51 Split the difference and call it 55 :D 08:49:54 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:49:57 <|amethyst> I think 60 is fine 08:50:05 aight 08:50:07 <|amethyst> I doubt many people will take it even then 08:50:12 true 08:50:27 not many people take sac evo either 08:50:31 <|amethyst> I do! 08:50:32 but ru favors the bold 08:50:48 <|amethyst> 70 then 08:50:55 (and also the cowardly, when they sac courage) 08:50:55 <|amethyst> fewer different numbers :) 08:51:46 I'm not sure it's worth 70 . . . but I suppose I can alway tweak it down if people start taking it like crazy 08:52:12 <|amethyst> !lm * sacrifice s=+noun 08:52:14 18409 milestones for * (sacrifice): 2499x essence, 2193x purity, 2102x arcana, 2048x love, 2003x stealth, 1381x health, 1104x words, 921x drink, 787x evocations, 719x dodging, 697x hand, 631x armour, 437x courage, 435x skill, 428x experience, 20x sanity, 3x handhands, handclaws 08:52:23 <|amethyst> handhands? 08:52:30 wow 08:52:33 whoa 08:52:33 <|amethyst> I imagine that bug has been fixed? 08:52:34 what 08:52:49 I've never seen it before, so unless someone else fixed it . . . 08:53:03 <|amethyst> !lm * sacrifice=handhands 08:53:03 3. [2014-11-13 01:21:55] taraiph the Grappler (L9 MiMo of Ru) sacrificed a handhands (D:7) 08:53:09 <|amethyst> !lm * sacrifice=handclaws 08:53:09 1. [2014-11-12 19:55:19] Plog the Grappler (L11 TrMo of Ru) sacrificed a handclaws (Lair:1) 08:53:25 (or unless it was incidentally fixed by some other fix) 08:53:35 <|amethyst> most recent one in November so I will assume fixed :) 08:53:39 yeah 08:53:54 man, no one takes Sanity 08:54:00 I wonder if I should tweak up the values. 08:54:05 oh right, I renamed it 08:54:09 <|amethyst> sanity doesn't ... yeah :) 08:54:15 add in courage and it's still low 08:54:36 Sac Stealth might be a problem 08:54:45 People mostly take it when it does next to nothin 08:55:01 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:55:07 I'd love to make it do something more than flatline your stealth score 08:55:09 <|amethyst> sac love too 08:55:25 IMO Sac Love is a meaningful sacrifice even when people don't realize it 08:55:37 there are a lot of strong effects that create summons for cheap right now 08:56:43 <|amethyst> btw, did we decide on what butterflies should do under sac love? 08:57:13 |amethyst: yeah, you can no longer cast spells that just summon minions 08:57:32 "nothing would answer your call!" 08:57:32 <|amethyst> ?random effects 08:57:45 <|amethyst> would it give you nothing, or hostile butterflies? 08:57:53 haha, probably still possible to get hostile butterflies out of it 08:57:59 <|amethyst> because hostile butterflies are better than allied ones in many ways 08:58:03 true 08:58:21 ?useless effects is so random that I can't see it being a particularly good strategy 08:59:09 <|amethyst> I had been kind of thinking into turning it into a scroll of butterflies and making it fog-rare 08:59:23 oo 08:59:24 <|amethyst> because as is it's bleh 08:59:31 That'd be much more interesting 08:59:33 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:59:43 <|amethyst> s/into/of/ 08:59:46 more inventory pressure! :D 09:01:06 <|amethyst> either that, or giving actual effects, most slightly positive 09:01:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:37 <|amethyst> instead of a small chance of butterflies, and otherwise just a wasted turn 09:03:54 <|amethyst> what's really annoying (well, mildly irritating) is when you read-ID ?RE when you have just one... and the scroll reassembles itself so you *still* have to drop it :) 09:04:37 yes, at the very least that effect should be removed - I keep forgetting to do that 09:04:49 but completely removing/replacing the scroll sounds good too 09:05:09 scroll of butterflies sounds okay 09:05:17 reassemles is awful, yeah 09:06:09 <|amethyst> hm... that makes me think of one disadvantage to making multidrop single-turn 09:06:35 <|amethyst> which is that it becomes "optimal" to hold onto useless stuff until your inv is full, then spend just one turn dropping it all 09:06:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:30 heh, good point 09:07:39 |amethyst: I wouldn't worry about that - very few people care about that number of turns saved, and those that do are already waiting to drop things until they are resting or waiting a turn anyway 09:07:40 what is the point of random uselessness scrolls, anyway? 09:07:48 I'm curious what the actual disadvantage would be of removing them 09:08:13 <|amethyst> there isn't much point now 09:08:27 <|amethyst> I guess "make read ID take slightly longer" 09:08:46 <|amethyst> and the small chance of butterflies, which seems kind of situational 09:08:53 what about scrolls of random mild usefulness 09:09:07 <|amethyst> how often do you need butterflies, but are willing to spend several turns to get them? 09:09:33 I think the best answer to that is "no" 09:09:36 <|amethyst> hm, now I don't remember, are they summoned? 09:09:42 I believe so? 09:09:56 <|amethyst> definitely they should be if it becomes a scroll of butterflies 09:10:17 <|amethyst> ah, yes 09:10:20 they are 09:10:23 <|amethyst> ench: confusion (0:129 N/A), summon (119:2147483647 N/A), abj (3:181 N/A) 09:10:29 would a scroll of random effects be good if those effects were generally useful, even if very minor? 09:10:51 that's another option, although possibly one not worth bothering with 09:11:23 <|amethyst> I think if it were always butterflies, that would be as useful as fog 09:11:36 <|amethyst> and would let us remove the spell without feeling as bad about it 09:14:31 scroll of butterflies wouldn't allow luring oofs to melee range 09:15:20 <|amethyst> it's useful in different situations: doesn't protect you from smiting but does slow the approach of melee opponents 09:15:29 yes 09:15:59 <|amethyst> and probably protects you from non-smiting, non-beaming ranged attacks for slightly longer 09:15:59 I like fog since there isn't really another source of "break los in need" spell or consumable 09:16:06 sputterflies is already a spell 09:16:14 <|amethyst> <+|amethyst> and would let us remove the spell without feeling as bad about it 09:16:18 oh 09:20:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:23:41 <|amethyst> I keep forgetting... whose is: 09:23:43 <|amethyst> ??learndb 09:23:43 learndb[1/9]: http://lookupdb.guy.ht/ for a convenient online interface for the learndb. 09:24:27 haha 09:24:37 that's a cute page to setup 09:24:43 is this nemelex vault with a teleporter actually random 09:24:49 <|amethyst> %git 70f9578 09:24:50 07mrwooster02 {Grunt} * 0.12-a0-2084-g70f9578: Four entry vaults and a feature vault from mrwooster (#6412). 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 2 files, 74+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70f9578a9ce8 09:24:52 <|amethyst> aha 09:25:13 <|amethyst> !learn edit learndb[1] s/$/ Thank mrwooster! 09:25:14 learndb[1/9]: http://lookupdb.guy.ht/ for a convenient online interface for the learndb. Thank mrwooster! 09:25:28 zermako is still the 4th most popular search? i haven't seen that guy in like a year 09:25:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:26:23 which is a shame. he was a cool guy. 09:28:12 -!- thul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:28:40 G - tha rin' o' Sloth (right hand) {rC+++ MR+ MP+9 Str-4 Int+3} 09:30:01 sorry, wrong channel 09:31:28 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:32:16 -!- trv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:33:48 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:49 -!- nicholas982 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38:02 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:55 uh 09:40:00 why is this shadow hitting me 09:40:02 @?? shadow 09:40:02 shadow (06W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 16-32 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Dam: 1406(shadow stab) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 217 | Sp: invisibility [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 09:40:10 it should be the same speed 09:40:35 <|amethyst> @??shadow perm_ench:invis 09:40:35 shadow (06W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 16-32 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Dam: 1406(shadow stab) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 217 | Sp: invisibility [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 09:40:44 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:46 <|amethyst> IIRC shadows are faster when they're under their shadow invis effect 09:40:55 it doesn't show up in x 09:40:56 or xv 09:41:07 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:09 <|amethyst> if (type == MONS_SHADOW && invisible()) 09:41:09 <|amethyst> move_cost -= 3; 09:41:24 <|amethyst> probably the monster_info doesn't see that 09:41:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:42:03 <|amethyst> ah, yes, it uses mons_class_energy 09:43:05 <|amethyst> hmm 09:43:46 <|amethyst> I guess really that should be in the description rather than it saying it "covers ground quickly" 09:44:08 <|amethyst> since then it's not clear that it's only sometimes 09:44:44 <|amethyst> not sure how to indicate that 09:44:55 <|amethyst> it does say "swiftly" but that looks like it could be flavour 09:45:02 -!- test2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:45:11 <|amethyst> I guess it could get its own special line 09:45:28 <|amethyst> since I don't imagine we'd use that mechanic on a second monster 09:46:57 <|amethyst> or, should that be inferred from AF_SHADOWSTAB? 09:52:17 <|amethyst> "Followers are encouraged to trust in the cards and use them as much as possible." 09:52:55 <|amethyst> I guess that's not necessarily false now, but it at one point meant something mechanically and now is purely flavour 09:53:48 i'm cool with it as flavor text 09:54:04 but it isn't exactly meaningful anymore 09:55:22 the nemelex line i mean. shadows should maybe get a more descriptive line 09:59:50 -!- trv has quit [Quit: trv] 09:59:58 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:22 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-784-gb9233ab: Mention a MONS_SHADOW hidden mechanic in xv (kvaak) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b9233ab72e07 10:06:36 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:07:49 although maybe the nemelex line should actually mention that exploration is how you get piety 10:08:16 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 10:08:46 i guess it's already in his description though 10:09:21 and frankly, using a lot of cards is generally a good idea with nemelex 10:09:37 -!- serq has quit [Client Quit] 10:09:46 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-785-g26e9515: Document that shadow invis swiftness appears in two places. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26e95152196c 10:09:49 <|amethyst> Right, I mean, you wouldn't take nemelex if you're not going to use cards 10:10:25 yeah, and if you didn't read the nemelex paragraph before taking him, you deserve what you get 10:10:42 <|amethyst> players read? 10:10:54 <|amethyst> (answer: "no, but they deserve what they get") 10:10:56 lol, honestly, i took him and didn't read it 10:10:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11:06 but i knew what i was getting into 10:11:22 and i know he's changed a lot since the last time i did take him 10:11:33 <|amethyst> I had someone tell me once they "don't like those reading games" 10:11:39 lol 10:11:49 <|amethyst> they weren't even talking about things like xv 10:11:57 <|amethyst> just the ASCII 10:12:19 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:12:20 did you read that q&a on kotaku with the guy who was the lead designer/writer on planescape:torment? 10:12:25 lol 10:12:46 i prefer tiles, but i would play this game even if it were only console/ASCII 10:13:34 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:14:20 like, if nethack was the only game you played that used unicode/console, i can see why you would have a bad opinion 10:14:30 but dwarf fortress is clearly awesome 10:14:52 and crawl is great, even if i do prefer tiles 10:15:28 <|amethyst> brogue 10:15:30 doomrl kind of requires the graphical interface imo 10:15:38 never played brogue 10:16:03 angband kind of sucks as a game, but works fine with the ascii interface 10:16:03 <|amethyst> it looks better in its fake-unicode-in-SDL 10:16:22 <|amethyst> but doesn't look terrible in terminal mode if you have a 256-colour terminal 10:16:25 |amethyst: would a variation on the - argument for checkwhite where it only looked at changed files on disk, not files with staged changes be a bad idea? 10:16:59 s/-/-m/ 10:17:01 how many people don't actually have a 256-color terminal these days? 10:17:17 ProzacElf: for many years doomrl didn't have tiles at all, you know... 10:17:34 lol 10:17:41 i had no idea to be honest 10:17:52 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm 10:17:58 i don't think i could play doomrl without tiles 10:18:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I guess, maybe -M ? 10:18:04 yeah the tutorial vid I watched to learn how to play was all in ascii, I think even the pre-tiles version 10:18:16 I've never seen the doomrl tiles but I'm not sure why you think not having tiles is so awful there 10:18:16 <|amethyst> gammafunk: IMO you shouldn't run checkwhite on such files though 10:18:18 |amethyst: yeah, I just find myself having to stage things to use checkwhite -m 10:18:22 oh really? 10:18:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I always run it after git add 10:18:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: because otherwise you can't undo it 10:18:40 maybe that is the best approach, yeah 10:18:52 doomrl has various interface issues but the use of ascii seemed pretty good to me 10:18:55 |amethyst: the problem is when you use commit -a 10:19:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ah 10:19:12 the changes aren't staged, so the commit aborts 10:19:23 <|amethyst> I never use commit -a either 10:19:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:39 elliptic: it has issues, but do you think tiles hurt anything more? 10:19:39 <|amethyst> always add -u and then commit 10:19:45 <|amethyst> elliptic: has the thing ever been fixed ? 10:19:46 oh, -u... 10:19:49 ProzacElf: hm? 10:20:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:20:16 <|amethyst> gammafunk: add -u (vs add -a) means only add modified files, not new ones 10:20:20 oh -u looks nice, yeah 10:20:23 elliptic: just wondering if you think the introduction of tiles hurt those interface features more 10:20:40 ProzacElf: well as I said I haven't seen doomrl tiles at all 10:20:45 ah 10:20:46 I mean commit -a lets you use a single command to make a commit, but it's not that much harder to run add -u additionally 10:20:49 i missed that part 10:20:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:21:02 <|amethyst> I have only played with tiles because I just couldn't get used to the delay after you press Esc 10:21:34 ProzacElf: the interface issues I was thinking of were stuff like having awful default keybindings and juggler interaction with your pref file being the worst thing 10:21:38 <|amethyst> I understand why it's there technically, but the delay is way too long, and if you press something that isn't [ or a few more things, that should cancel the delay 10:21:50 (your pref file actually has gameplay effects if you have juggler) 10:21:51 elliptic: bad UI decisions are going to play out in both ways, but they'll be more pronounced in a tiles situtation anyway more often than not 10:22:16 elliptic: but yeah, the keybindings were terrible 10:22:46 (i never did juggler) 10:23:04 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:23:39 yeah I made vikeys keybindings for doomrl not long after I began playing 10:23:42 and was a lot happier 10:24:02 <|amethyst> confession: 10:24:07 (I also really dislike doomrl's use of sound, to the point where I play with sound off and just accept that I am handicapped relative to everyone else) 10:24:27 <|amethyst> despite being a long-time vi user I don't use vikeys in roguelikes unless my keyboard is missing numpad 10:24:38 lol, when i played it i was using linux and my use of sound was basically broken 10:24:39 yeah, that and also the way killing enemies out of los is the way the game works 10:24:46 <|amethyst> for that matter, I only use them in vi as part of larger commands 10:25:00 |amethyst: you were with emacs for too long! 10:25:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I don't use ctrl-p ctrl-n either :) 10:25:08 do you use the emacs keybindins for...is it readline? 10:25:21 ctrl-a and ctrl-e I mean 10:25:23 <|amethyst> yes, emacs is the default for readline 10:25:29 <|amethyst> I do use ctrl-a ctrl-e 10:25:40 <|amethyst> and ctrl-d 10:25:53 <|amethyst> but I use the arrow keys when I need to arrow 10:26:03 hrm, that would slow me down so much 10:26:04 <|amethyst> (which in vi isn't that often) 10:26:30 you must use a lot of those "jump to structure type x" commands then? 10:26:31 <|amethyst> also, I can't type numbers with the numpad 10:26:34 <|amethyst> yeah 10:26:40 <|amethyst> that's the whole point of vi 10:27:02 dude, i totally get fucked up when i can't type numbers with the pad 10:27:06 I mean emacs has those as well, I just forget what they are 10:27:21 I use the ctags lookup an awful lot to get that I guess 10:27:38 i mean, i got used to doing plenty of shit without it 10:27:55 <|amethyst> in vi it's not just "move to this kind of thing" but also "delete this kind of thing" and "copy this kind of thing" and so on 10:28:07 ah 10:28:09 <|amethyst> which emacs also has 10:28:12 probably that stuff also ..yeah 10:28:21 I tend to do it more manually with mark etc 10:28:24 <|amethyst> but in vi they are more composable 10:28:41 <|amethyst> whereas in emacs you have to memorise completely different keybindings 10:28:44 right 10:28:47 <|amethyst> most of which I have forgotten by now :) 10:29:03 my deal with liking emacs is also kind of being able to copy and paste so easilly within my editor 10:29:03 <|amethyst> yeah, mark is probably the spiritual equivalent 10:29:05 <|amethyst> which vim has 10:29:14 in terms of shell interaction 10:29:38 shell mode is broken for a lot of things, but still convenient 10:29:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29:50 but maybe I should try using vim for a while 10:29:59 lol, after may 22, i might be asking some of you for job recs btw =P 10:30:03 <|amethyst> eh, you could just use viper or such 10:30:31 so please just tell me how stupid i seem 10:30:39 <|amethyst> !lg prozacelf x=sum(dur),min(start) 10:30:40 1269 games for prozacelf: sum(dur)=31d+2:06:59; min(start)=2013-05-30 07:14:56 10:30:59 <|amethyst> "He plays a lot of video games, probably some on company time. But they're good games, so there's that." 10:31:12 lol 10:31:59 i would hope you would provide a minor lie 10:32:08 -!- Athaboros_work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:33 especially since i already have a master's and have been teaching 2 classes as a ph.d student 10:32:43 3 i guess 10:32:47 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:50 <|amethyst> I'd hope you'd not list me as a reference when I have no clue about your work :) 10:32:51 although the first one sucked 10:33:02 jesus no 10:33:17 i don't even believe in jeeebus 10:33:54 just saying, if i need someone on here, they might say something good 10:34:04 i hope 10:34:57 <|amethyst> %git :/Prozac 10:34:58 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-1803-ga435f26: Slightly creepier message for evoking the bag 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a435f26a9f58 10:35:08 lol 10:35:38 <|amethyst> "He's good at coming up with creepy messages when necessary." 10:36:09 hey, that's important even in the corporate world 10:36:18 <|amethyst> true 10:36:29 <|amethyst> Particularly if you are in management 10:36:36 <|amethyst> all those employee evaluations 10:36:42 right 10:37:32 i also was bitching at dracoomega for months to change how hexes worked 10:37:45 and then it finally happened 10:38:11 i don't know if he even did it 10:38:27 and i'm sad that he actually left i guess 10:38:47 <|amethyst> "He's good at making people burn out until he gets his way, you should promote him to executive immediately." 10:39:08 lol 10:39:47 at this point in my life i'm not even going to argue that i'm not trying to do that 10:39:55 haha 10:40:24 except "executive of crawl" is a lot of pain with no money 10:40:33 afaikc 10:40:45 er 10:40:52 as far as i can tell 10:41:10 hi mumra, long time 10:41:32 hey 10:41:35 how are things? 10:41:47 lol, weird 10:42:04 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:11 need to go live with mom over the summer actually 10:42:23 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 10:42:45 but i get to teach 2 classes and continue my ph.d program in the fall 10:42:49 allegedly 10:43:23 i am lurking in here quite often at the moment tbh but very busy with work 10:43:51 fair, i just thought you were totally gone 10:44:06 generally chatting more in #angularjs and #bbg but i keep a crawl tab open in case my name gets mentioned ;) 10:44:20 lol 10:44:49 i usually don't chat in ##crawl or this chan 10:45:02 where are you looking for work / what kind of work out of interest? 10:46:59 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-786-g0d57b2b: Add two new Ru sacrifices: resistance and eye 10(5 minutes ago, 16 files, 101+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d57b2b7aee5 10:46:59 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-787-gc4ae412: Normalize Ru sacrifice values slightly 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c4ae412d90ec 10:46:59 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-788-ga27854a: Adjust Ru sacrifice ability letters 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a27854a4abe3 10:47:33 -!- paroneay` is now known as paroneayea 10:47:46 <|amethyst> Lasty: forgot to squash those first two? :) 10:48:06 well, that's a little weird, but i have an MS in neuroscience and know some python, and learned spss/stata/r for criminology 10:48:10 |amethyst: no, I did that deliberately... 10:48:22 er 10:48:23 wait 10:48:25 <|amethyst> Lasty: it's weird that the first commit says 35 in the message :) 10:48:31 yeah apparently I screwed up 10:48:44 <|amethyst> no worries, not worth rewriting history for 10:48:58 <|amethyst> at least you didn't leave out half a sentence as I often do 10:49:09 fuck 10:49:12 haha 10:49:15 i do that all the time neil 10:49:39 i mean, not in a programming sense 10:49:55 also, the second commit didn't have all my changes .... 10:50:15 yep, somehow that got reset. Good job, Lasty. 10:50:42 (sorry) 10:52:11 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-789-g5b0c35b: Actually normalize Ru sac piety 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b0c35ba0976 10:52:25 <|amethyst> %git 69b86a6 10:52:26 07|amethyst02 {Grunt} * 0.14-a0-2961-g69b86a6: Split M_SHADOW from M_GLOWS_LIGHT. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 6 files, 15+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69b86a635792 10:52:36 hmm, interesting combination of skills ... 10:53:06 basically i could give a lot of advice to someone looking for work in computers particularly in london 10:53:07 <|amethyst> "When the use of the flag was subsequently expanded, it be" 10:53:30 not so sure about neuroscience or criminology :) 10:54:01 mumra: for work in london, but living in the midwest? 10:54:08 I'm sure the time difference would be no problem! 10:54:23 lol 10:54:32 lol 10:55:06 <|amethyst> I thought birmingham and london were in the same time zone 10:55:22 <|amethyst> midwest, west midlands, same thing right? 10:55:24 which birmingham? 10:55:31 -!- Athaboros_work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:35 but funnily enough i'm just talking to someone about work which would involve travel between london and the US 10:55:39 <|amethyst> the real one of course 10:55:58 the one in alabama? =P 10:55:58 heh 10:56:13 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:56:14 timezones don't mean much anymore 10:56:26 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: I suppose the one in Alabama is slightly bigger... 10:56:38 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: Do I get to call my town "the real Lexington" then? :) 10:56:39 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:56:40 |amethyst: they're in the same time *zone* but not the same *time* i think 10:56:52 mumra lives :o 10:56:58 which lexington? 10:57:00 <|amethyst> :) 10:57:28 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: I live in the one in Kentucky, which is named after the one in Massachusetts but about 10 times as big 10:57:36 the daystar still has some relevance... 10:57:41 lol, screw the one in MA 10:57:53 woah i thought |amethyst was a brit 10:57:57 i drive there every day 10:58:18 the one in kentucky has to be cooler 10:58:20 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:58:34 Grunt: i was invoked by a commit log! 10:58:43 i mean, there's one decent korean place there now 10:58:44 finally 10:59:05 <|amethyst> chequers: I put out http://s-z.org/neil/images/logicbug.jpg to fool people 10:59:40 <|amethyst> the one in Kentucky only has a few Korean places 10:59:45 lol 11:00:01 but do you have something cool and local? 11:00:01 <|amethyst> maybe three or four that I can think of, and one of those is inside a grocery store 11:00:10 is there actually any real reason to have dropping items take up any turns/time at all? 11:00:26 i mean, i don't rate places strictly upon korean food 11:00:32 <|amethyst> I wouldn't know about "cool" 11:00:44 <|amethyst> zxc232: things that affect game state take turns 11:00:49 great bbq? 11:01:02 |amethyst: right, so it's unavoidable? 11:01:10 <|amethyst> not technically unavoidable 11:01:21 <|amethyst> but I don't think we'd want to violate that rule 11:01:23 i mean KY not really known for bbq i guess 11:01:24 -!- Silas is now known as Guest85831 11:01:31 right, makes sense 11:01:37 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:01:40 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: lots of Japanese restaurants 11:01:44 really? 11:01:53 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: in part because there's a Toyota plant the next county over 11:01:59 ahh 11:02:07 in that case multi-drop taking one turn sounds pretty good to me 11:02:23 are you in a position to tell me if they're actually good? 11:02:50 it would encourage dropping items at once in speedruns, but I think this is a rare enough occurrence to not really matter 11:03:06 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: I like them, but I am not a gourmand 11:03:25 -!- nicholas982_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:03:42 |amethyst: fair enough, i'm a bit of a "foodie" i guess 11:03:42 <|amethyst> and I don't eat fish, so... 11:03:55 <|amethyst> (I do eat shellfish etc, though) 11:04:04 oh, well, that really kind of kicks that whole thing in the ass 11:04:07 zxc232: dropping items takes time in reality. and this isn't a case where you can argue that gameplay would be *better* if dropping items took zero turns. 11:04:25 <|amethyst> nah, it just means I have about seven or eight options most places instead of several dozen 11:04:26 it would have basically zero impact on gameplay. so might as well go with realism 11:04:33 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04:53 |amethyst: yeah, but you can't really get great raw clam/oyster/lobster in KY 11:04:54 mumra: well it was only the matter of encouraging hoarding items until 52 11:05:15 i don't think that's even a bad thing 11:05:18 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: lobster isn't bad, they ship those live 11:05:28 fair point 11:05:33 and you can't really use speedruns as justification for a change that affects all games 11:05:34 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: but, yeah, scallops are always frozen and rather expensive compared to what you're used to 11:05:38 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: and lobster is expensive 11:05:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:06:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:06:23 |amethyst: one of the only benefits to living near Boston is the seafood 11:06:34 <|amethyst> I can imagine 11:06:34 mumra: fair points 11:06:54 although oddly not crab 11:07:10 <|amethyst> my wife went to Maine for a bicycling event a few years ago, and her favourite part was the cheap and plentiful seafood 11:07:41 oh god go to maine just to face a bunch of lobster 11:08:03 technically, dropping things should take longer than picking them up, since you have to dig the item out of your back, vs grab it off the floor and stuff it into your pack 11:08:08 there's actually a vietnamese place here that does crawfish 11:08:10 s/back/pack 11:08:24 <|amethyst> mumra: at one point it cost as much as wielding it then dropping a wielded weapon 11:08:55 <|amethyst> not sure about the details of timing there 11:08:56 haha, yeah sounds logical :) 11:09:05 <|amethyst> we should make a big table of how long different actions take 11:09:07 reasoning by pack is kinda nonsensical anyway, I can stuff how many plate armours in there? 11:09:18 "magic pack" 11:09:20 <|amethyst> it is a tackle box of holding 11:09:25 lol 11:09:26 <|amethyst> with 52 compartments 11:09:33 lol 11:09:50 new randart armour 11:10:21 thanks for you guys for dealing with me btw 11:11:32 because you've implemented only about 1 out of 300 of my ideas =P 11:11:50 pretty good ratio 11:12:05 is better than my winrate 11:12:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:32 lol 11:12:39 way better than mine too 11:13:54 mumra: have you been gone for a while, or have I been a jackass? 11:14:05 i was gone for ages 11:14:11 ok 11:14:13 cool 11:14:26 i don't feel like a total jackass then 11:14:29 the last couple of months i've been lurking but not saying much 11:14:30 haha 11:14:45 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:47 you might be a jackass anyway, we haven't actually met :P 11:14:49 jk 11:14:53 well, feel free to tell me 11:15:02 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:02 lol 11:15:04 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2-dev] 11:15:07 i don't recall any jackassery 11:15:17 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:21 lol, dpeg actually kicked me 11:15:30 haha no way 11:15:48 heh, i can't even remember what it was over 11:15:49 i don't think i've ever seen anybody kicked 11:16:00 actually that's probably not true 11:16:03 <|amethyst> a few people have been banned 11:16:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:16:57 true, i got kicked, not banned 11:17:00 <|amethyst> (usually that involves being asked to stop repeatedly and refusing repeatedly) 11:17:42 but yeah i started coming on freenode quite a lot for help with a couple of frameworks i'm using at work 11:18:13 ... i generally seem to end up just giving out help, and figuring out answers to my own questions before anyone else replies, but hey ho ... 11:18:24 lol 11:18:35 -!- qoala_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:35 <|amethyst> that's how I learned the intricacies of shell programming 11:19:14 you know, i wouldn't even use this channel if several of you weren't entertaining 11:19:31 -!- Poroso has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:31 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:31 -!- qoala has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:31 -!- Kramell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:32 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:32 -!- dark_star has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:32 -!- ldf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:32 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:32 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:36 <|amethyst> ##bash doesn't tolerate bullshit so I had to be very careful to research my answers and read the relevant standards 11:19:38 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:05 lol 11:20:26 i have no idea if that's actually true but i actually don't want to find out 11:20:31 (yet) 11:20:34 yeah ... #node.js can be a little like that 11:20:43 <|amethyst> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie 11:21:14 <|amethyst> I don't know if it's still the case, but at the time that guy was the biggest contributor/op 11:21:15 but i also learn plenty stuff from other people correcting my answers 11:21:56 wow, that seems hostile almost 11:22:03 there's quite a few channels that are rather hair-trigger 11:22:48 wow 11:22:54 that's a pretty good read |amethyst 11:22:58 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [*.net *.split] 11:22:58 -!- rast has quit [*.net *.split] 11:22:58 -!- djinni_ has quit [*.net *.split] 11:22:58 -!- mspang_ has quit [*.net *.split] 11:22:58 -!- Lasty_1 has quit [*.net *.split] 11:22:58 -!- Menche has quit [*.net *.split] 11:22:58 -!- Z_LAMP 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11:27:17 it has other advantages, but efficiency was not one of them that i encountered 11:27:34 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:27:35 <|amethyst> yeah 11:27:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:43 there is http://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh to help with that 11:27:49 <|amethyst> I find myself piping tar though ssh when I have more than a few files 11:28:12 <|amethyst> or just using sshfs if it's a server I have to deal with often 11:28:49 <|amethyst> (that one's slow too, though, unless you turn on caching, in which case it's just broken) 11:28:59 <|amethyst> (but very convenient) 11:29:50 <|amethyst> oh 11:30:07 <|amethyst> maybe I should try tweaking these options 11:30:26 <|amethyst> just realised I have synchronous write on, which probably explains why it's too slow to actually use 11:30:36 <|amethyst> for things like git operations 11:30:53 mostly i try to pull straight from git to the server to deploy stuff 11:31:17 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:31:20 or i'm pushing to something like rackspace which has its own protocol 11:33:33 just about 100% of my irc experience is through ##crawl-dev and ##crawl, which, together with reading this discussion, makes me realize I'm probably unfit for being in other channels 11:33:52 -!- bd- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:33:52 -!- timbabwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34:17 |amethyst: and mumra: i really appreciate what you guys are goind 11:34:29 blerg: doing 11:34:36 <|amethyst> wait, what are we doing? 11:34:44 <|amethyst> or do you just mean 'developing crawl'? 11:34:49 <|amethyst> in any case, thanks :) 11:34:51 well, mostly 11:35:03 but you actually seem to listen to *me* 11:35:37 at least when it's legit 11:35:52 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:09 <|amethyst> I mean, don't go asking me for balance-related changes 11:36:13 <|amethyst> I'm not a game designer :) 11:36:33 <|amethyst> I can't even *play* the game worth crap 11:36:55 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:41 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 11:38:42 i haven't been developing crawl since ... well ... around when that commit log was (maybe a little after then) 11:38:51 but i'm planning to attack webtiles sooner or later 11:39:00 with a +9 sword of javascript debugging 11:39:39 mumra: I look forward to that 11:40:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40:04 mumra: we have a webtiles-changes branch with a bunch of random changes, one of which is moving the lobby to react/jsx 11:40:13