00:01:36 <+|amethyst> Linley Henzell, Tarn Adams, and Mark Johnson --- the ultimate all-star programming dream team <-- to develop a game that 1.0's a few weeks after the heat death of the universe 00:04:03 <|amethyst> The single source file grows so large that it causes the universe to collapse upon itself in a great crunch 00:04:52 -!- anubiann00b has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:05:01 -!- Hanyuu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:35 oh my god... it's full of dwarfs 00:10:37 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:10:58 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-547-g5e20af8 (34) 00:13:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:15:12 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16:02 you're assuming tarn adams is capable of working with other human beings 00:16:07 which he generally prefers not to 00:16:35 (also the strength of tarn adams/dwarf fortress is almost certainly not the quality of the code) 00:18:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-547-g5e20af8 (34) 00:19:13 -!- tgcid9999 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:19:15 entropy weavers seem pretty common 00:20:05 <|amethyst> in spider they're about 1.5x as common as ghost moths 00:20:06 -!- shummie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:20:25 <|amethyst> in vaults they match orc warlords, in depths great orbs of eyes 00:29:24 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:33 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:31:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:32:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:03 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38:59 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39:25 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:41:10 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:59 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:39 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:53:16 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-547-g5e20af8 00:54:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:55:10 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:01:30 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:03:57 i really wish they'd have a tile 01:06:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:20 chequers: whom 01:09:31 entropy weavers 01:12:28 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:17:13 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:20 %git db80c50 01:19:20 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-496-gdb80c50: Make teleportitis only trigger when it would land in LOS of enemies 10(8 days ago, 11 files, 71+ 48-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/db80c5092e8b 01:19:51 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:24:27 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:46 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:25:53 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: Buy...] 01:27:15 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:50 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 01:30:57 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:32:05 FR: after ballistomycetes are removed... 01:32:20 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:32 take their life cycle and give it to orbs of fire 01:36:27 -!- Imosa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0/20141127111547]] 01:39:53 -!- RavelordNeato has quit [Client Quit] 01:41:57 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:01:54 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read it. 03:40:20 oh, hm. i lied actually, i don't get it for teleporting 03:40:23 just blinking 03:47:30 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:51:45 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:05 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:19 -!- FuHanchu has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 03:55:38 n1k: yes you can start ctele while you have the tele status 03:58:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:58:49 zxc232, in that case maybe the message *should* appear when starting a tele and not a blink 03:59:08 if I'm understanding correctly 03:59:23 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:00:49 n1k: not sure I follow? 04:01:01 oh I didn't read your first message 04:01:08 amalloy's rather 04:04:52 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:07:24 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:08:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:08:56 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:14:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:16:29 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-548-g06b9595: Fix up an area in a vault 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06b9595bb428 04:22:42 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:34:26 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:16 -!- jmc245 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:40:24 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:43 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:49:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:56:23 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:08:32 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:16 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:12:16 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:06 http://i.imgur.com/sKfKEG5.png 05:30:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:00 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39:36 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:40:20 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:47:56 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51:03 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 05:51:59 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 05:52:11 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:13 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:58:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:06:36 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:08:28 Mysteriously revived Beogh follower causes "Unlinked item held by dead monster" error 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9632 by chikinn 06:16:16 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:17:16 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:28 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:25:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:37 -!- zxc2321 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:07 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:19 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:29:19 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:30 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:32:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35:45 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:36:29 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:39:24 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:46:16 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:28 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:55:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:59:40 -!- Amy is now known as Guest26462 07:01:13 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:11:26 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:14:35 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:34 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:27:27 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:40:42 -!- zxc2321 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:41:00 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:44 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:13 -!- jmc245 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:52:08 -!- sylnt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:03 -!- driftwood has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:57:00 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:02:08 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:10:56 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:52 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:23:45 http://i.imgur.com/XpEDgF4.png 08:24:31 looking better 08:29:10 How should I about the vaults. Only one should generate per game, I suppose. 08:29:18 Of four possible. 08:32:19 -!- mumbologist has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:58 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:05 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:16 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:39:57 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:03 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:03 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:41:20 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:49 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:55 -!- Windshield has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:49:43 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:55:14 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:04:24 ontoclasm: still interested in doing an entropy weaver tile? 09:05:19 Lasty_: yeah 09:05:26 i'll make one when i get a chance 09:05:32 Thanks! :D 09:05:43 Right now they're a silly white x tile 09:06:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:38 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:14:34 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:23:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:36:26 Regarding unique-placement, if I have vault's tags contain uniq_gressil ( unique's name, there's definition in uniques.des ), will the vault be placed if the unique is available ( and it doesn't veto? ). 09:40:05 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:40:14 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:40:49 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:40 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:47:53 |amethyst: do you recall if there was a reason why cwz doesn't have ttyrecs? 09:48:09 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no disk space for them, I think 09:48:12 ah ok 09:48:29 shame, but that's a hard problem to work around :p 09:49:31 <|amethyst> once could probably set up something where ttyrecs go to inprogress, then instead of being moved from inprogress to ttyrecs are just rsynced somewhere and deleted 09:51:15 <|amethyst> that would require changes to the webtiles server I think; or a job that watches for things in ttyrec and moves them 09:53:35 Ah, there's veto {{ return you.uniques("Gressil") or you.have_rune("abyss") }} should work? 09:54:26 <|amethyst> this is an abyssal rune vault? 09:54:42 Yeah. 09:54:57 A sort of silly thing I am trying out 09:55:23 <|amethyst> make sure it has TAGS: abyss_rune unrand 09:55:50 It has. 09:56:07 Well, have. http://pastebin.com/BeXWCBxs 09:57:51 <|amethyst> probably you don't need you.have_rune("abyss") in this case, since the abyss_rune logic handles that already 09:58:09 Well, alright. 09:59:23 But I should figure that vault respawns if you don't have rune or haven't killed Gressil ( and there's not same vault on map ), so you could stumble upon different vaults, easier to find the boss that way. But then I'd have to figure how to do away with the loot. 10:00:30 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:01:56 <|amethyst> hm, I'm not sure how a tag like uniq_gressil interacts with abyssal rune vaults 10:02:25 <|amethyst> not sure if you can get duplicate abyssal rune vaults normally 10:02:42 It does get spawned in Abyss:5. 10:02:47 Well, placed. 10:04:32 http://i.imgur.com/b6Yb5fe.png 10:11:37 %git :/[Ss]louch 10:11:38 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-474-g56ef91b: Reword a warning prompt for Slouch 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56ef91be33f3 10:11:47 so did anyone check slouch logic? 10:12:52 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:14:55 <|amethyst> it looks like it is what you said 10:15:02 <|amethyst> it uses mon->speed 10:15:23 and is it working as intended? 10:15:26 <|amethyst> probably it should compute the effective movement speed and use that 10:15:35 <|amethyst> hm 10:15:54 it certainly feels... unintuitive 10:15:56 @?? spriggan air mage 10:15:57 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-60 | AC/EV: 2/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 955 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), control winds, deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 10:16:06 <|amethyst> @?? naga 10:16:06 naga (03N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 5 | HP: 20-38 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 303(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 161 | Sp: spit poison (d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 10:16:23 hm, i guess their hp sucks at least 10:16:30 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:00 <|amethyst> %git 0b45604 10:17:00 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3223-g0b45604: Various spriggan monster adjustments 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 4 files, 49+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b45604d16f7 10:17:51 <|amethyst> %git 4c9fca9d 10:17:51 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2573-g4c9fca9: Clean up / adjust mostly spurious uses of ACTION_ENERGY. 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 1 file, 18+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c9fca9d67b1 10:20:04 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:21 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:59 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:52 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:25:10 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:36 <|amethyst> !tell MarvinPA can you think of any disadvantages to making slouch look at mons->speed * BASELINE_DELAY / mons->action_energy(EUT_MOVE) instead of just mons->speed? kvaak points out that it's kind of weird that it damages nagas the same as spriggans. 10:25:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 10:26:15 <|amethyst> or perhaps I should bug Grunt instead since it was mostly his change 10:26:22 <|amethyst> (except for spriggans) 10:27:47 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:27:57 ??slouch 10:27:57 slouch[1/4]: Does damage to everything in sight (including invisible enemies) that's faster than you. More damage with higher speed difference. Insanely good against everything really fast; Executioners get blown into separate molecules. 10:28:21 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:32:25 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:32:28 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:58 Maybe I should take abyssal_rune and unrand from the vault, just make it veto if player has the rune. This way it should generate multiple times, although I think the unique wouldn't spawn ( any ideas how to circumvent that? ) 10:35:05 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:35:30 use a tweaked monster of an existing base type instead of an actual unique 10:35:38 ala statue of wucad mu and what have you 10:38:19 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:38:29 floatRand: well what do you plan to do with this patch, I think that's the question 10:38:39 <|amethyst> I don't think you should generate the abyssal rune in a vault that's not tagged abyss_rune 10:39:18 could you change the code so abyssal vaults can still generate after the rune is picked up, but the rune is replaced with an exit? 10:39:29 in general, not just for this specific instance 10:39:33 <|amethyst> why? 10:40:15 Yeah, maybe. I guess I will leave it as is, missing the unique will be chance however. 10:40:23 yeah, we're talking about a kind of unique we'd never add to the game (in anything like its current form, at least) 10:40:36 so you can still generate abyss rune vaults? 10:40:36 so I'm not sure what's the point of getting into intricate details of how its vault places 10:40:55 <|amethyst> what do you mean "missing the unique will be chance"? 10:40:58 <|amethyst> that's true for all uniques 10:41:16 <|amethyst> except a few like the Pan and Hell bosses, Geryon, TRJ 10:41:48 <|amethyst> and I doubt anyone is going to go seeking out this boss to fight when they can just pick up the rune on Abyss:3 10:42:07 sounds suspiciously like ignacio 10:42:08 This is in abyss though, where it would be easy to miss out, unless I make it throw message like ' You sense a powerful, corrupting presence nearby '. 10:42:22 <|amethyst> even if you do get a message, it's easy to miss out 10:42:27 There's a small treasure and bragging rights, though. 10:42:53 <|amethyst> usually in the abyss you walk more or less in one direction 10:43:02 <|amethyst> what if the vault was generated in the other direction? 10:43:03 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:43:18 you teleport again and again and again until it's generated in the right direction :b 10:43:28 <|amethyst> kvaak: but this vault will only generate once 10:43:32 oh 10:43:43 <|amethyst> since it vetoes if the unique has already been generated 10:43:51 <|amethyst> you probably would want ignacio-like logic 10:44:37 <|amethyst> (unless the abyss already does that: certainly it can spawn uniques that have been abyssed... 10:45:05 <|amethyst> so if the vault going out of bounds and being replaced counts the same as banishment for uniques...) 10:45:15 abyssal uniques are just generally a bad idea unless the unique is made from the standpoint of "you need to run from this and it's hard to escape" 10:45:39 and since a teleport in the abyss makes that even easier, any abyssal unique needs to be extra clever about tracking the player 10:45:42 <|amethyst> (transdimensional hellspider, where are you?) 10:46:02 yeah, that was the idea behind that thing, it'd track you down 10:46:17 an enemy that can tele with you...? 10:46:18 with ignacio, a teleport leaves you on the same level as ignacio, at least 10:46:46 |amethyst: <3 XxX TD:HS <3 10:47:00 but by pinning the unique to abyss:5 you've madeit far worse, since the solution is just don't go to abyss:5 (which you generally don't do outside of speedruns or other challenge runs anyhow) 10:47:41 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think floatRand is working from the point of view that people want to fight uniques, particular when there is loot 10:47:45 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:47:51 <|amethyst> gammafunk: "There's a small treasure and bragging rights, though." 10:47:59 <|amethyst> s/ular/ularly/ 10:48:08 <|amethyst> anyway, must be going 10:48:08 yes, I'm saying this is a bad frame of mind from which to develop a unique 10:48:17 i'm inclined to agree 10:48:22 <|amethyst> unless it's a Zig unique maybe 10:48:26 sure 10:50:03 if arbitrary challenges for the sake of arbitrary challenges are your thing stuff like orbruntomb exist 10:50:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:50:34 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:57 ??petrify 10:50:58 petrify[1/5]: Turns the target to stone after a brief period of slowness. While it's petrified it takes a lot less damage but can't do anything. Lv. 4 Tmut/Earth, in the books of Hinderance, Geomancy, and Alchemy. 10:51:02 ??petrify[2 10:51:02 petrify[2/5]: Player: Immune: resistance mutation, Zin's Vitalisation, statue form or wisp form. Both: LRDable. Petrifying: 2x shatter dam b4.AC, 2/3 damage af.AC, half EV and 1.5x slow for 30 auts or until re-applied. Petrified: 4x shatter dam b4.AC, helpless(2-size) EV, 1/2 damage af.AC, nonliving, 4x shatter damage, rTorment, rPois, rN+++, rRot+++ for 60+1d40 auts unextendable. 10:51:32 secret rTorment tech 10:51:46 had no idea about the rTorment 10:51:57 maybe this hydra will decide to try to torment me instead of biting me 10:52:05 i didn't know it had any effect on you other than the ev hit 10:52:07 and damage reduction 10:53:30 ...1d40 auts 10:53:35 is that 1d4 turns? 10:53:42 or does it really use auts 10:54:24 I mean is it 1d40 aut or 1d4 * 10 aut 11:00:26 But anyway, if someone wants to see it out, here it is: http://puu.sh/hcrTF/cc876cbfaf.patch 11:01:32 +1 for plut sword vault 11:01:39 -9001 for it being stuck in abyss:5 11:03:25 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:05:11 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:55 -!- Mekanik has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 11:16:23 -!- qqqq has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:22:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:17 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:26:23 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:30 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:30:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:32:15 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:27 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:18 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:40:52 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:11 fr: skeletal warriors should be able to enter deep water 11:42:13 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:47 that would be inconsistent 11:43:25 with what? 11:43:31 other skeletons? 11:43:33 yes 11:43:35 okay 11:44:25 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:06 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:47:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:47 only huge ones can walk into water, right? 11:48:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49:15 yes, flying or being huge I think 11:49:18 @??troll 11:49:18 troll (07T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 28-48 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 1509(claw), 1509(claw) | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 303 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:49:29 those are just large, I forget if they can walk into deep water 11:49:30 ??size 11:49:31 size factor[1/2]: For evasion purposes: spider form and bat form are tiny (factor 6), spriggans and felids are little (factor 4), halflings and kobolds are small (factor 2), trolls ogres centaurs and nagas are large (factor -2), hydraform is big (-4), and dragonform is huge (factor -8). 11:49:35 ??size[2 11:49:35 size factor[2/2]: Monster sizes from %?? (for constriction and trampling) in order and with examples: tiny (rats); little (felids); small (kobolds); medium (humans), large (trolls); big (death yaks); giant (dragons) 11:49:42 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:42 ??giant 11:49:43 giant[1/1]: Also a strange "experimental" 4.1.2 species 11:49:53 ??deep_water 11:49:53 deep water[1/2]: This most corrosive of solvents will dissolve almost anything that falls in, even artefacts and hapless adventurers. 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Use !messages to read it. 12:29:32 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:30:06 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:33:02 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:46 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:16 MarvinPA: you still have plans to make stat drain into an xp-restored mechanic? 12:35:26 I didn't see that in your last banch of commits that touched stat death 12:35:45 yeah, the stat death stuff was from my branch working on that 12:35:56 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:04 i think it mostly works, but i haven't figured out any sensible numbers yet 12:36:40 I guess you'll keep the sources of stat drain the same in terms of how much they apply? 12:36:56 yeah, i hadn't planned on changing that 12:37:04 I suppose it'd have to take a fair amount of xp to restore stats, since otherwise it'd make the effect even less relevant 12:37:19 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:38:15 right, i was thinking it'd be draining-like but slower to recover, i can probably push it to a branch at some point soonish 12:41:03 &rc elliptic 12:41:07 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.16/elliptic.rc 12:41:11 &rc elliptic trunk 12:41:12 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/elliptic.rc 12:43:10 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: cheers] 12:45:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52:16 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55:33 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:56:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:59:11 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:07 <|amethyst> oh, I wish I had known this earlier... git commit --amend -m '' doesn't set the commit message to the empty string, but rather preserved the current one 13:02:07 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:02:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:02:17 <|amethyst> useful 13:02:22 <|amethyst> s/ved/ves/ 13:02:47 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 13:03:21 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:25 oh that does sound useful 13:03:57 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:40 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:05:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:40 MarvinPA: |amethyst: what interaction should slouch have with statues? 13:08:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: _slouchable checks mon->is_stationary(), so currently there is none 13:08:09 <|amethyst> which I'm fine with 13:08:41 ok 13:08:49 dividing by move speed made me think of it 13:09:41 that also brings up question of interaction with trees 13:10:04 !bug 9276 13:10:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9276 13:10:22 oh god 13:10:29 that's what I was thinking of 13:11:01 wheals, I'm sorry, but "if you were able to move, you'd move just as fast as you normally would" is hilarious to me. 13:11:11 hasted treeform... 13:11:25 PleasingFungus: prove that he's wrong! prove it! 13:11:32 it's impossible. 13:11:36 also everything about the distinction between move and action speed leads to this kind of confusion 13:12:05 since those aren't things that intuition separates, so whichever one you choose to operate on, you'll be intuitively wrong 13:12:35 the deep philosophical question of 9276 is: are trees taking it easy? 13:12:51 fr: crawl operates on a hypertimecube 13:13:03 a time hypercube? 13:13:25 <|amethyst> if being in tree form does extra slouch damage, what about choosing to stand still for hundreds of turns? 13:13:42 what could be more taking it easy than that! 13:13:48 being a tree? 13:13:58 <|amethyst> Chei wants you to take it easy, why should e reward being unable to move more than deliberately choosing not to move 13:14:10 what about retracing your steps 13:14:16 I guess chei is really about taking at easy in terms of movement, sadly he kind of contradicts that by disallowing haste 13:14:18 <|amethyst> (if it's about intuition) 13:14:27 would be nice if you could haste and get the action bonus only 13:14:44 would it be 13:14:45 would it really 13:14:48 <|amethyst> would be a major buff to Chei 13:14:52 yeah 13:14:59 well chei buffs? not a problem imo 13:14:59 <|amethyst> which I don't think is warranted 13:15:22 |amethyst: you feel you've gotten too many chei wins 13:15:23 I really don't like adding new fiddly complications. 13:15:35 Just banning haste is much simpler than turning it into sort-of-partial-haste. 13:15:40 PleasingFungus: then resolve the issue imo 13:15:50 yes it is simpler 13:15:54 <|amethyst> The people who like playing Chei seem to think e's one of the best gods in the game. 13:15:55 * wheals is too timid to actually reject patches by people who exist 13:16:13 there are patches made by people who don't exist??? 13:16:13 that's true of any player that likes a given god 13:16:22 ??people who do not exist 13:16:22 I don't have a page labeled people_who_do_not_exist in my learndb. 13:17:09 <|amethyst> and as far as I can tell, the people who *don't* like Chei think inability to haste is a much bigger restriction than slow move 13:17:22 <|amethyst> or maybe that's just the most vocal of them 13:17:37 well that's probably why some would argue for allowing haste to work at least in part 13:18:56 it'd be nice if chei was only about the move part, but I agree you do have to change a bunch of things and it's less work to just disallow haste, zerk 13:19:00 I don't think Chei needs any buffs. Or nerfs, really. 13:19:31 Also, since you brought it up, it might be nice if we simplified chei's interaction with zerk - the current one is very odd. 13:20:11 I exist????? 13:20:15 ebering: nah 13:20:20 I wouldn't like chei even if we did allow those things to affect only movement, but it'd be a start at least 13:20:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:29 phew I was worried for a moment 13:20:34 gammafunk: I think it's okay for some gods not to be for all people. 13:20:43 when did I say it wasn't? 13:20:53 I'd rather not dilute a god's mechanical uniqueness to make it appeal to filthy elf sifworshippers. 13:20:55 no offense. 13:21:13 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:18 what I'm arguing is to make the mechanic more consistent, really, since chei doesn't hate fast actions, just fast movement 13:21:30 but he does. 13:21:37 not like he penalizes using short blades etc 13:21:38 he hates quickblades and haste. 13:21:47 yeah the qb is just really silly 13:22:09 your argument is circular. chei doesn't hate fast actions, therefore him hating fast actions is inconsistent. 13:22:26 *magically fast actions 13:22:26 -!- vale__ is now known as vale_ 13:22:28 no it's not circular, does he hate weapons with lower delay? 13:22:47 it's magical speed that he's consistently opposed to, seemingly. 13:22:47 he hates quickblades and haste. 13:22:49 and speed weapons 13:22:51 it's not circular because i said so! 13:22:55 and berserk-haste 13:22:59 G-Flex: yeah, thanks 13:23:07 lemme paste something I was gonna say about zerk earlier 13:23:09 Currently, the 'haste' component of it zerking is disabled under chei, but the 'health', 'might' and 'exhaust/slow/collapse afterward' components are not. imho that's just as weird 13:23:11 he pretty much hates anything that is magically fast 13:23:15 it's just a very bizarre state of affairs 13:23:25 I think chei hating magical haste of all kind is fine. 13:23:37 <|amethyst> anyway, I'm going to go ahead and push this thing to make slouch look at monster movement speed 13:24:04 what practical gameplay implication does that have? 13:24:05 Godspeed. 13:24:05 <|amethyst> since slouch specifically does care about movement speed, not action speed 13:24:13 G-Flex: worse against nagas, better against spriggans 13:24:15 (in terms of balance, effectiveness) 13:24:17 I think 13:24:23 @??spriggan air mage 13:24:23 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-60 | AC/EV: 2/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 955 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), control winds, deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 13:24:24 <|amethyst> G-Flex: it no longer does the same amount of damage vs nagas and spriggans 13:24:38 <|amethyst> G-Flex: so back to the pre-0.14 behaviour for most monsters 13:24:48 what happened in 0.14? 13:24:50 naga (03N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 5 | HP: 20-37 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 303(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 160 | Sp: spit poison (d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:24:50 %??naga 13:24:56 <|amethyst> %git 4c9fca9 13:24:57 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2573-g4c9fca9: Clean up / adjust mostly spurious uses of ACTION_ENERGY. 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 1 file, 18+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c9fca9d67b1 13:24:59 PleasingFungus: must have been when monster move and action speed were split 13:25:04 I think? 13:25:04 <|amethyst> %git 0b45604 13:25:05 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3223-g0b45604: Various spriggan monster adjustments 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 4 files, 49+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b45604d16f7 13:25:15 <|amethyst> they've always been split 13:25:19 oh 13:25:30 <|amethyst> in 0.14 many monsters were adjusted to have normal action speed 13:25:44 so they were always split, but that wasn't reflected in a lot of monster stats 13:26:48 <|amethyst> well 13:26:56 <|amethyst> nagas didn't change a lot practically 13:27:44 <|amethyst> they went from speed 8, ACTION_ENERGY(8) (effective move speed 1.25, effective action speed 1) to speed 10, MOVE_ENERGY(14) (move speed 1.4, effective action speed 1) 13:28:05 <|amethyst> but slouch looks only at 'speed' and doesn't care about energy 13:28:46 <|amethyst> (spriggans did really change, and now attack slower than they used to, but got more damage to compensate) 13:31:23 "always" meaning since 13:31:25 %git a3ba5a8ee2 13:31:25 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.4-a0-214-ga3ba5a8: This change breaks savefile compatibility. 10(8 years ago, 9 files, 1398+ 1519-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a3ba5a8ee29d 13:31:54 "his is currently 13:31:54 only used to make curse toes move at half the speed with which they attack (which was previously hard-coded)" 13:32:36 <|amethyst> hm 13:32:56 <|amethyst> jiangshi slouch damage will change a fair bit 13:33:22 <|amethyst> from 18 - (player move speed) to 30 - (player move speed) 13:33:43 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:33:44 jiangshi and the electric demons are so weird 13:33:49 name slips my mind 13:33:51 <|amethyst> 6:30 13:34:17 if you really wanted to be Accurate for those two, you'd probably need to special-case them 13:34:19 for slouch 13:34:22 I had idea for another unique, god forbid. A formerly intelligent ghoul wizard seeking weak adventurers to restore himself. Really sorry about his actions. Earth/conjurations-themed spellcasting set, can cannibalize corpses to heal and give him damage buff. D:6 - D:9 unique. 13:34:29 * wheals wonders when we lost spore_goes_pop 13:34:40 floatRand: he's never going to be able to cannibalize corpses in practice. 13:34:50 Well yeah 13:34:54 ... 13:36:29 ??quickblade 13:36:30 quick blade[1/2]: (short blades; +6 acc / 5 dam / 0.7 base delay / 0.3 min delay). Ultra-fast short blade. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 0.2 min delay with haste/finesse. Quick blades cannot have the speed brand. 13:36:32 ??quickblade[2 13:36:32 quick blade[2/2]: Because of insanely fast attack speed, you may add pain and electrocution brands to your wishlist. 13:36:56 yes, finally...a reason to want electrocution 13:43:48 heh 13:44:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:45:44 oh nice, spore_goes_pop now takes a monsters * instead of an int 13:46:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient/blob/ancient/docs/messlog.txt#L425 13:47:41 * BEAM_CLOUD -> BEAM_ACID on strength of evidence in plant_spit() and zappy(), but now stinking_cloud() looks odd ... hmmm 13:48:06 rip SPELL_MANNA 13:48:23 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:48:40 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 13:49:19 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:08 -!- Behr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:40 <|amethyst> fixing sixfirhy and jiangshi damage too 13:50:52 <|amethyst> (slouch damage) 13:51:02 <|amethyst> after my first commit, slouch was doing > 250 damage to a sixfirhy 13:51:11 <|amethyst> in 0.16 it was ~150 at max piety 13:51:12 they'll have slouch damage now?! 13:51:16 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:22 not going to crypt or pan ever again then 13:51:23 <|amethyst> now it will do ~75 damage 13:51:25 <|amethyst> :P 13:52:00 @??jiangshi 13:52:00 jiangshi (08V) | Spd: 18 (move: 60%) | HD: 10 | HP: 53-80 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 2705(vampiric), 2705(vampiric) | 07undead, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1068 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:52:06 <|amethyst> jiangshi are approximately where they were in 0.16 (take a little less damage) 13:52:21 imagine they should get beat up pretty bad 13:52:30 s/should/ought to/ 13:52:31 <|amethyst> It went 18 - player -> 30 - player -> 16 - player 13:53:03 <|amethyst> (but the actual damage roll multiplies that by 3-ish) 13:53:16 <|amethyst> @??sixfirhy 13:53:16 sixfirhy (124) | Spd: 40 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 28-49 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:7-9) | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 504 | Sz: little | Int: normal. 13:53:39 <|amethyst> went from 40 - player -> 67 - player -> 22 - player 13:54:23 Hm, LRD, Leda's Liq, Stone Arrow and Dig seems like good spell set for this unique. 13:54:41 i thought i read somewhere that speed > 30 doesn't actually do anything 13:55:14 ledas doesn't work well on monsters, it's been tried a number of times 13:56:01 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:57:01 and dig + lrd seems just too brutal for d:6-9 13:57:11 @??deep_troll_earth_mage 13:57:11 deep troll earth mage (06T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 36-60 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 27, 2009(claw), 2009(claw) | 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 08blind | XP: 859 | Sp: rapid deconstruction, dig | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:57:13 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-549-ge73fd4f: Factor out slouch damage formula. 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e73fd4f6c34a 13:57:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-550-g650a542: Base slouch damage on monster movement speed (kvaak) 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/650a54270f48 13:57:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-551-g12fdf4f: Reduce slouch damage against jerky monsters. 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12fdf4fcc0dc 13:57:39 Hm, I'll see what I can do with it then. 13:58:49 "git commit --amend --no-edit" does the same thing as "git commit --amend -m '' " " and I think it's easier to remember too >_> 13:58:49 It is more chars though. 14:00:13 How was monster spell power calculated? 14:00:29 Directly from HD, but is there good way to remember it? 14:00:50 it depends on the spell 14:00:57 for many spells you can use the bots to see what the damage would be 14:01:00 e.g. 14:01:14 @??rat hd:20 spells:firestorm.200.magical 14:01:14 Unknown spell name: 'firestorm' in 'firestorm.200.magical' 14:01:18 @??rat hd:20 spells:fire_storm.200.magical 14:01:18 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 38-60 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 275 | Sp: fire storm (8d16 / 8d15) [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:01:34 set the hd you want and the spell you want on any monster 14:01:45 |amethyst: was kind of hoping you'd respace/simplify the tragedy that is "dmg = (dmg > 0 ? roll_dice(dmg*4, 3)/2 : 0);" 14:02:41 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:03:43 it isn't all that surprising given bh's ridiculous stance on whitespace though :P 14:03:59 what stance is that? 14:04:11 he thinks we use too much 14:04:18 which is because he uses too little!! 14:04:50 looking at roll_dice, the check for > 0 isn't necessary at all 14:05:37 probably mostly complaining about braces on a newline 14:05:50 yeah 14:05:54 other than that I'm not sure where else we'd be using a lot 14:06:03 I hope he doesn't like formulas without spaces 14:06:05 @rat hd:6 spells:LRD 14:06:16 @??rat hd:6 spells:LRD 14:06:16 Invalid spell slot format: 'lrd' in 'LRD' 14:06:29 @??rat hd:6 spells:lee's_rapid_destruction.200.magical 14:06:29 Unknown spell name: 'lee's rapid destruction' in 'lee's_rapid_destruction.200.magical' 14:06:37 @??rat hd:6 spells:lee's_rapid_deconstruction.200.magical 14:06:37 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 8-21 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 11 | Sp: rapid deconstruction [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:06:44 gammafunk: i suspect he wrote 1000/player_movement_speed()/player_speed() too 14:06:49 ug 14:07:19 floatRand: lrd damage is dependent on wall type and possibly the targetted monster 14:07:22 so it can't be displayed 14:07:28 but it's a lot of damage for d:6-9 14:07:47 wow, random2limit has no uses besides the chance to evade a blade trap 14:07:47 also that's generally too specific a range for that depth, I'd think 14:07:53 haha 14:07:56 that's great 14:09:51 PleasingFungus: is return "get_uint32() / 4294967296.0;" crawlcode material 14:10:02 s/return "/"return / 14:10:51 <|amethyst> well, at least that magic number won't be changing 14:11:17 it could at least use a comment so those of us who can't do logs in our head can understand :( 14:11:39 er, exponents 14:11:51 <|amethyst> could maybe write get_uint32() / double(1ULL << 32) 14:12:33 Here: a spectral ghost crab (ghostly flame, summoned) 14:12:35 <|amethyst> or get_uint32() / (1 + double(numeric_limits::max())) 14:12:36 good, wheals 14:13:27 <|amethyst> (UINT32_MAX is C99 but is probably missing in libstdc++-4.7, since SIZE_MAX was missing there too) 14:18:05 <|amethyst> wheals: I think the one (well, three) in worley.cc is even better: 14:18:09 <|amethyst> fx=(seed+0.5)*(1.0/4294967296.0); 14:18:23 <|amethyst> why not just / 4294967296.0 ? 14:18:33 well, we didn't write worley :) 14:19:48 -!- giann73 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:06 <|amethyst> for random_real, we could use std::uniform_real_distribution 14:20:38 needs hexfloat literals, clearly 14:20:40 0x1p-32 14:21:14 |amethyst: actually, maybe use AsgKISS::max()? 14:21:19 -!- doomface has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:21:28 <|amethyst> + 1 14:21:33 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:51 and replace the 0xffffffffU there with whatever 14:22:10 http://i.imgur.com/bT6RInJ.png 14:22:16 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:59 -!- giann73 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:26:24 <|amethyst> hm 14:26:34 <|amethyst> not sure which of these to prefer 14:26:39 <|amethyst> return get_uint32() / (1.0 + AsgKISS::max()); 14:26:42 <|amethyst> return uniform_real_distribution()(AsgKISS::generator(0)); 14:26:46 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:55 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:01 <|amethyst> the former is shorter, but I think the latter may be clearer for someone who knows C++ 14:27:35 does : place_unique(_G, "thing") use name? 14:27:37 <|amethyst> I am probably overestimating what "knowing C++" means 14:29:40 wonder if would be worth it in that case to add #define GAME_RNG 0 and #define UI_RNG 1 14:30:15 why not add constants for AsgKISS::generator(0) itself rather than the 0? 14:30:22 or is the 0 used in the same meaning elsewhere? 14:31:00 in random2 and ui_random, yeah 14:31:01 <|amethyst> get_uint32 takes the same parameter 14:31:07 ah 14:31:16 <|amethyst> but 14:31:23 <|amethyst> hm 14:32:37 <|amethyst> I'd kind of like to remove the limit of 2 14:32:46 man, sgd really needs a prompt for eating when you have a 1 summoned 14:32:51 <|amethyst> which means that a constant for AsgKISS::generator(0) might not be great 14:32:56 I might have to make some lua for that 14:33:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:33:10 <|amethyst> well, I guess it could be a reference 14:33:31 hrm, that shouldn't be difficult to make, I guess 14:33:36 <|amethyst> static AsgKISS &game_rng(asg_rng[0]) 14:34:43 you could probably be cute and have it track the summon duration to guess when it might save to eat for 3 turns, but probably not worth the hassle 14:34:43 <|amethyst> (as for why to remove the limit of 2: that would let itemname code use an ordinary RNG rather than containing its own, while maintaining determinism) 14:35:24 <|amethyst> (that was PF's suggestion) 14:35:50 I have to do the unthinkable...and consult... 14:35:53 gammafunk: i'd think it would be easier to just make eating interruptible ;P 14:35:59 wheals: that would be lovely! 14:36:05 but I assume that's non-trivial 14:36:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-552-g0f27dd5: Clarify (wheals) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f27dd5864cc 14:36:24 it's the last line on my todo 14:36:29 <|amethyst> hm 14:36:36 <|amethyst> it's probably not technically difficult 14:36:36 wheals: I'll just iterate over los and check for friendly 1s 14:36:38 the last line on my "code cleanup" todo is "delay rewrite" 14:36:41 <|amethyst> but there are gameplay concerns 14:36:47 <|amethyst> what if you're starving but monsters are in view? 14:36:52 <|amethyst> should the game prevent you from eating? 14:37:10 <|amethyst> or should you have to tweak your activity_interrupts? 14:37:22 I guess ideally you'd get a prompt? 14:37:23 Continue eating? 14:37:25 yes 14:37:28 <|amethyst> hm 14:37:34 <|amethyst> ah 14:37:36 my workaround to avoid another of 14:37:37 !lg 14:37:37 2845. gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), mangled by an Executioner (summoned by the player character) on Swamp:4 on 2015-04-13 19:29:41, with 22341 points after 7943 turns and 1:21:28. 14:37:40 <|amethyst> and I guess it wouldn't be as annoying as it is for vampires 14:37:44 will be to just prompt before eat 14:37:53 I totally forgot I had a 1 summoneed 14:38:08 gammafunk: you could probably do that with lua 14:38:18 wheals: that's what I said I'd do, yeah 14:38:26 <|amethyst> if you do add a prompt before eating, please don't break auto_eat_chunks 14:38:38 oh i was afraid you'd do that with crawl's code itself 14:38:39 <|amethyst> it would be annoying if the convenience option means you're stopped and prompted during travel 14:38:42 <|amethyst> ah 14:38:44 yeah I'm just changing my rc for now 14:38:51 since I've had two of these deaths recently 14:39:44 <|amethyst> btw, while we're talking about activity interrupts while eating 14:39:52 <|amethyst> that's really annoying for vampires 14:39:58 <|amethyst> because you lose the corpse when it happens 14:40:27 <|amethyst> I'm kind of tempted to tweak my options to make corpse draining uninterruptible 14:40:28 if we could remove poison chunks, it might get around the problem, since otherwise we could just have people only bottle blood 14:40:51 unless bottling is also interruptable 14:40:54 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:41:22 any idea why it makes you lose the corpse? 14:41:25 <|amethyst> I don't think bottling has the same problem as eating, where "all the blood oozes out" 14:41:41 <|amethyst> wheals: I suspect at one point, maybe even currently, you got nutrition during the turns you were eating 14:41:48 yeah, I was kind of hoping we could just do away with eating directly from the corpse 14:42:18 <|amethyst> wheals: so if you didn't do that, you could get bonus nutrition (or you would have to track "how eaten" a corpse is) 14:42:42 gammafunk: sounds like that might be an interface hassle, though perhaps i'm not the one to ask about eating the interface of eating stuff from the ground ;) 14:42:58 <|amethyst> I think eating being uninterruptible is probably based on a similar thing, perhaps related to ambrosia etc? 14:43:41 <|amethyst> hm, no, I guess that probably predated ambrosia 14:43:41 i assumed it was the assumption that it would have to be made gradual if it were interruptible 14:43:41 wheals: well, it's no different than from what chunk-eating species have to do, no? 14:44:05 <|amethyst> wheals: I think I'd be fine with the irrealism of just not giving any nutrition until the action completes 14:44:08 q versus e (or ee, if you don't have easy_eat_chunks) 14:44:33 |amethyst: yeah, just saying that's how it seems people felt based on comments/old commits i've seen 14:44:47 <|amethyst> if floor eating were removed, 'e' could be made to drink a blood potion from floor/inventory 14:45:02 hrm 14:45:10 mm, good point 14:45:14 come to think of it, why do we even have potions of blood any more? 14:45:20 <|amethyst> what is the expected nutrition outcome of bottling vs floor-eating 14:45:21 why not just let them suck blood from chunks 14:45:31 is there any gameplay reason 14:45:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: we don't track which chunks have blood 14:46:00 yeah but no one likes the "can't eat goo" thing really 14:46:14 <|amethyst> If we're going to do that, I'd just go all the way 14:46:23 <|amethyst> make them eat like normal species 14:46:23 right 14:46:43 I mean it's a big thematic change, but it just seems a pretty obvious solution, idk 14:46:49 gammafunk's idea was that just without permafood i think 14:46:51 maybe we'll need to wait until someone gets around to vp reform 14:47:01 ah yeah, haha 14:47:02 good point 14:47:06 there's one difference! 14:47:12 <|amethyst> speed 14:47:20 <|amethyst> s/speed/time/ 14:47:24 Alright, implemented. Let's see how it works. Came up with name as well, 'Graton'. 14:47:40 as in drinking takes one turn, chunks 3? 14:47:46 in |amethyst's proposal, you can't get the message "You suck [...]"? :P 14:47:48 yeah also not a very compelling reason to have blood pots 14:48:39 Maybe he should drop a book with the basic earth spells or wand of digging. 14:49:20 <|amethyst> why would a monster with the dig spell be carrying a wand of digging? 14:49:45 <|amethyst> and we already have one unique who carries an earth book (though it might be transmutations instead) 14:49:57 Yeah, I know Roxanne, she comes bit later though? 14:50:00 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:50:02 we generally don't make spellcasting monsters drop books with their spells either, yeah with roxanne being the exception 14:50:04 I guess he won't drop anything 14:50:08 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:09 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:51:00 I think lrd damage is likely to just be too much at the depth you're proposing 14:51:12 not sure how it scales in terms of hd 14:51:16 !vault uniq_jorgrun 14:51:16 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des#l296 14:51:31 @??rat spells:lee's_rapid_deconstruction.100.wizard 14:51:31 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | spellcaster | XP: 1 | Sp: rapid deconstruction | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:51:44 oh i guess the 42d1 is only hidden 14:51:45 not replaced 14:51:52 ??lrd 14:51:53 lrd[1/4]: Lee's Rapid Deconstruction: Turns walls into explosions. Useful for removing inconvenient stone or green crystal walls, though one needs fairly high power to pierce stone, and even higher to pierce metal (see {lrd[4]}). Causes lots of undodgeable damage to anything foolish enough to be near the wall (but AC is applied thrice). 14:52:12 @??gargoyle 14:52:12 gargoyle (159) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 20-35 | AC/EV: 18/6 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 415 | Sp: stone arrow (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:52:57 <|amethyst> LRD is Nd(5 + pow/5) daamage 14:53:01 <|amethyst> where N depends on the material 14:53:08 <|amethyst> s/daam/dam/ 14:53:09 I placed him at D:9-12, Lair:1-2 14:53:27 <|amethyst> what HD is this monster? 14:53:57 Pretty low, 6. 14:54:07 what are the values of N for rock, stone, crystal, metal? 14:54:14 rock being the most important 14:54:19