00:00:11 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-441-g3d2efc4: it bothers me that these enums are not all four characters long 10(16 minutes ago, 6 files, 200+ 200-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d2efc431657 00:00:38 aaaagh 00:00:41 that commit is our down->fall 00:00:48 why did you just cause a conflict 00:00:49 whyyyy 00:00:52 oh, haha 00:00:56 sorry about that 00:01:27 should be a pretty trivial conflict 00:01:35 ya 00:01:39 but it's the principle of the thing! 00:01:41 (: 00:01:52 He who breaks the build deserves enum.h conflicts! 00:02:23 I did NOT break the build, technically, probably. 00:02:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:03:50 PleasingFungus: crawlcode! (Response to way up there) 00:03:57 :) 00:04:50 nicolae-: Yes re: git branch/recompilation You can solve this in several ways (ccache is one example) 00:05:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that continue; // !? is because the tracer has to go at least one step past the target 00:05:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it prevents !actor_at(tracer.path_taken[j+1]) from being a br 00:05:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-442-g95ffbf9: Remove giant mites properly 10(5 minutes ago, 24 files, 51+ 76-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ffbf9e8374 00:05:49 <|amethyst> s/br/bounds error/ 00:05:59 oops?? 00:05:59 oops 00:06:05 |amethyst: it seems like that could be a loop condition, though? 00:06:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: a loop condition? 00:06:29 tell me about this... ccache... 00:06:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's a continue, not a break 00:06:46 ah 00:06:48 right 00:06:50 ok. 00:06:54 <|amethyst> though 00:07:05 <|amethyst> in practice I think it would break 00:07:10 wait, no, doesn't it just always terminate immediately after that? 00:07:15 <|amethyst> yeah 00:07:22 right, I did follow this train of thought 00:07:29 but I was sufficiently confused to not try to clean it up 00:07:55 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:08:34 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:09:04 <|amethyst> but yeah 00:09:05 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:22 <|amethyst> I think you could do: for (unsigned int j = 0; j < tracer.path_taken.size() - 1; ++j) 00:09:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:40 <|amethyst> and remove that check 00:10:07 <|amethyst> though probably it makes more sense to move the actual doing stuff out of the loop 00:10:28 <|amethyst> the only reason for the loop AFAICT is to find where on the tracer path the target is 00:11:13 I actually had the commit window open to do that 00:11:15 the first part 00:11:25 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-441-g3d2efc4 (34) 00:11:39 all of the logic in that function is a little odd... 00:11:54 <|amethyst> commit window is open until August-ish isn't it? 00:11:59 ..... 00:12:02 !banish |amethyst 00:12:02 PleasingFungus casts a spell. |amethyst is cast into the Abyss! 00:12:33 <|amethyst> (I really was confused for a second) 00:12:40 heh 00:12:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-443-g36df04e: Simplify more AF_SWOOP logic 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36df04e18916 00:12:49 well, it's not really a window 00:12:49 so that's fair 00:12:57 when god closes a commit door, he opens a commit window 00:13:35 <|amethyst> thereby commit topological invariants are preserved 00:13:35 I was vaguely considering replacing big kobolds in sewer with gnoll sergeants, and then removing big kobolds 00:13:53 <|amethyst> gnoll sergeants hanging out with kobolds? 00:14:01 <|amethyst> and what about pikel? 00:14:04 clearly you'd also replace the kobolds with gnolls 00:14:13 it'd be weird for there to be only kobolds and kobold demonologists 00:14:15 pikel is in sewers?? 00:14:22 what are the odds on there not being horrible crashes due to these recent commits? 00:14:26 <|amethyst> no, but he's a big kobold 00:14:29 oh, just in sewers 00:14:35 <|amethyst> oh 00:14:42 <|amethyst> I thought you meant remove remove 00:14:47 no I did mean remove remove 00:14:48 <|amethyst> wait 00:14:51 <|amethyst> ah 00:15:16 huh, didn't know there was a demonologist sewer vault 00:15:24 <|amethyst> it's newish 00:15:39 kennysheep... 00:15:51 oh, I did this one once. I think I died to grinder. 00:15:59 !lg . kmap~~kennysheep s=kmap 00:15:59 One game for PleasingFungus (kmap~~kennysheep): kennysheep_sewer_church 00:16:01 yep 00:16:32 eh, scrap that 00:17:26 Grunt: what was the design motivation for tengu warriors & conjurers? 00:17:34 %git 0f8ebb952c4b0b10bd83b1d68cb223d5ac36dd19 00:17:34 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-1044-g0f8ebb9: Add tengu to forest; add tengu conjurers and tengu warriors. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 8 files, 89+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f8ebb952c4b 00:17:57 ^ suggests they were "like naga, but tengu instead, and in forest" 00:18:06 -!- ais523 has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:18:08 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 00:19:31 I'm considering unmaking them but maybe they have a good reason for being? 00:20:20 Kill them. 00:20:57 finally, after all that searching, get_unrandart_num 00:21:05 !source get_unrandart_num 00:21:05 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc;hb=HEAD#l1436 00:21:17 gammafunk: ? 00:21:27 need to get an unrand from a string 00:21:41 more like a funrand 00:22:03 -!- callforjudgement has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:08 find_okay_unrandart() is a good function name 00:22:32 <|amethyst> hm 00:22:33 it's *ok* but....not *great* 00:22:43 -!- ais523 has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:22:45 -!- scarf is now known as ais523 00:22:49 not to be confused with randart_is_bad(), below 00:22:51 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'd probably make that apply the same transform to the input 00:23:02 same transform? 00:23:09 oh ug 00:23:22 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:24:37 ...what's with this quoting... 00:24:51 A salamander stormcaller. 00:24:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so you can search for bloodbane 00:25:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and not demon blade "bloodbane" 00:25:15 geeze 00:28:05 <|amethyst> btw, I forget 00:28:25 <|amethyst> was there discussion of renaming Sharnga to "longbow of Krishna \"Sharnga\""? 00:29:01 <|amethyst> (and did those feet in ancient times...) 00:29:16 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:40 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 00:30:49 -!- ais523 has quit [] 00:31:17 I don't remember any discussion about that 00:31:19 sounds plausible 00:31:33 also, sanity check: how wide are c++ ints on our platform 00:31:42 *platforms 00:31:50 either 32 or 64 bits 00:32:04 ok, that's what I thought 00:32:22 <|amethyst> FR: support 16-bit-int platforms 00:32:44 <|amethyst> and char == short == int == 32 bits 00:34:37 gammafunk: is there a way to turn the "J" square in meatsprint into a wall? 00:34:44 <|amethyst> I think ints are 32 bits on all the platforms we actually build on? 00:34:58 would KFEAT: J = rock wall work? 00:35:25 should 00:35:34 I guess I can just check 00:35:37 maybe rock_wall if the parser gets persnickety 00:35:48 i think KFEAT: J = x should work too 00:35:57 i think that directive accepts glyphs as shorthand 00:36:23 yeah, looks like that works 00:37:22 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:37:44 <|amethyst> hrm? 00:37:48 <|amethyst> oh 00:38:00 <|amethyst> it's a teleport closet now 00:38:04 <|amethyst> forgot about that 00:38:16 it's also exploitable 00:38:21 player teleport? 00:38:28 you can passwall in and get infinite score, apparently 00:39:20 <|amethyst> make it lava instead 00:39:29 approve 00:39:33 <|amethyst> (I guess you can't actually passwall into lava :( ) 00:39:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-444-gf9be5f3: Remove an exploitable meatsprint hole-in-the-wall 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9be5f30ad5e 00:39:43 aw 00:39:43 add a lua trigger 00:39:51 <|amethyst> when you step on it, it turns into lava? 00:39:57 too many lua triggers!!! 00:40:09 not enough lua triggers!!!!!!! 00:40:15 feh 00:40:23 <|amethyst> lua triggers need to be simplified 00:40:28 agreedo 00:40:40 <|amethyst> they're a huge pain to use and I imagine it doesn't have to be that way 00:40:42 not as if meatsprint scoring / everything isn't 1,000,000% broken 00:40:50 sure 00:40:50 i've been doing vaults for a while and my thoughts on triggers are "ehhhh i'll try them later" 00:40:57 still 00:41:01 <|amethyst> I wrote a trigger once! 00:41:04 <|amethyst> twice! 00:41:08 <|amethyst> they even worked 00:41:10 -!- SirLicksAlot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:12 <|amethyst> eventually 00:41:36 <|amethyst> %git d078c632 00:41:37 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2104-gd078c63: Lua up an altar: Blood for the terrible Demon-God! (someflowers) 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 18+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d078c632a9a6 00:42:14 huh, bags of meat are now worth 18k+ xp 00:42:44 meatzerkers are 38k 00:42:46 hmm 00:42:50 meatlord xp... 00:42:51 hmm. 00:42:52 <|amethyst> before or after the sprint multiplier? 00:42:54 my first vault, december 2011... how time flies by... 00:42:59 amazing 00:43:00 this is &D 00:43:06 or just xD, I guess 00:43:32 <|amethyst> xD, the favoured command of luchadores 00:43:46 I wonder what the right fix is. re-cap xp in sprint? adjust meatsprint monster hd way down? 00:44:07 <|amethyst> there's an implementable 00:44:30 <|amethyst> to allow specifying in sprints the XP/piety multiplication etc 00:44:34 meatsprint is supposed to give XL27 in three or so kills 00:44:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:44:59 hm 00:45:05 it doesn't seem like it would have done that before 00:45:16 even with the new huge xp I've gotten a few dozen kills and am still only at xl 24 00:45:17 as human 00:45:35 <|amethyst> !xp 00:45:39 well, leveling isn't an issue is what I mean 00:45:42 <|amethyst> hm 00:46:43 (destroyer is 50k xp, accursed is 85k) 00:46:58 <|amethyst> oh hm 00:46:59 ideally you would start at XL27 with all skills maxed just so the player doesn't need to deal with skills/stats 00:47:08 meat beasts are... 150k 00:47:10 ah 00:47:53 -!- faze has quit [] 00:48:37 ok, I'll stop worrying about it. 00:48:44 also, I died at just shy of 100 turns :( 00:48:48 how long do you have to last in that mode? 00:49:07 that's the longest I've ever played it; always meant to get around to it but never did 00:49:20 <|amethyst> exp(-log(2.0) * (exp_apt - 1) / 4) 00:49:20 !lg * meatsprint win x=avg(turns) 00:49:20 75 games for * (meatsprint win): avg(turn)=178.24 00:49:22 150ish turns 00:49:26 <|amethyst> why... 00:49:26 dang 00:49:43 haha, my code changes work, i am the greatest programmer to ever live 00:49:46 !lg . meatsprint max=turns 00:49:47 !lg * meatsprint win max=turns 00:49:47 2. gammafunk the Axe Maniac (L25 FoFi of Makhleb), blasted by a dread (burst of hellfire) in Sprint (Sprint VIII: "Arena of Blood") on 2014-12-27 01:29:42, with 25000000 points after 250 turns and 0:08:35. 00:49:48 75. ebarrett the Axe Maniac (L27 DDEn of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb on 2013-03-09 21:13:10, with 53400000 points after 267 turns and 0:06:38. 00:50:16 we need to hire a sprint dev 00:50:22 to fix current sprints and add new ones 00:50:28 <|amethyst> st_: hi 00:51:04 I will volunteer one-third of my crawl-dev salary for the purpose. 00:51:06 A lot of them could use modernisation, for the various revamps over the years 00:51:16 my understanding is that arena sprint is super broken 00:51:19 a whole third? 00:51:26 nicolae-: if just two other devs chip in, we're good! 00:51:27 !lg devteamnp meatsprint x=max(turns) 00:51:27 i'll throw in half! 00:51:27 1167 games for devteamnp (meatsprint): max(turn)=2139 00:51:33 dang... 00:51:38 !lg devteamnp meatsprint x=max(turns) s=name 00:51:38 1167 games for devteamnp (meatsprint): 395x MarvinPA [226], 257x bh [1164], 129x Neil [175], 118x evilmike [211], 67x dpeg [143], 55x Sage [205], 29x 78291 [2139], 29x mumra [204], 28x wheals [122], 19x HangedMan [163], 18x Medar [122], 16x itsmu [107], 5x doy [168], 2x gammafunk [250] 00:51:50 !lg devteamnp meatsprint x=max(turns) s=name o=max(turns) 00:51:50 1167 games for devteamnp (meatsprint): 29x 78291 [2139], 257x bh [1164], 2x gammafunk [250], 395x MarvinPA [226], 118x evilmike [211], 55x Sage [205], 29x mumra [204], 129x Neil [175], 5x doy [168], 19x HangedMan [163], 67x dpeg [143], 18x Medar [122], 28x wheals [122], 16x itsmu [107] 00:52:00 eat it MPA 00:52:06 ha 00:52:45 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-444-gf9be5f3 00:53:05 PleasingFungus: by the way, look at The Meatlord's xp 00:53:24 is there an easy way to do that/ 00:53:34 @?? The Meatlord 00:53:35 The Meatlord (13&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 60 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2704828 | Sp: sum.greater demon [06!sil], crystal spear (3d88) [06!sil], iron shot (3d88) [06!sil], hellfire (3d.. 00:53:40 o 00:53:41 it updated 00:53:50 this whole meatspedition was pointless... 00:53:58 anyway, number starts with a 27 so I'm calling it a success 00:54:33 3d88 on both LCS and iron shot 00:54:44 I wonder if that's accurate since it has different spells 00:55:02 @?? orb of ice 00:55:02 orb of ice (12*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 9612 | Sp: glaciate (10-198) [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 00:55:09 seems to be 00:55:50 @?? The Meatlord spells:shadow_creatures.44.demonic; airstrike.44.demonic;conjure_ball_lightning.22.demonic 00:55:50 Bad item name: 'conjure_ball_lightning' 00:56:16 @?? The Meatlord spells:airstrike.44.demonic 00:56:17 unknown monster: "The Meatlord" 00:56:19 feh 00:56:32 <|amethyst> @??-spec the meatlord 00:56:32 unknown monster: "-spec the meatlord" 00:56:36 <|amethyst> err 00:56:39 <|amethyst> forgot my own flag 00:56:44 dispater hp:10000 hd:60 name:The_Meatlord n_rpl col:lightmagenta spells:airstrike.44.demonic 00:56:51 @??dispater hp:10000 hd:60 name:The_Meatlord n_rpl col:lightmagenta spells:airstrike.44.demonic 00:56:52 The Meatlord (13&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 60 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2096356 | Sp: airstrike (0-130) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 00:56:55 there we go 00:57:23 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:57:24 <|amethyst> ah 00:57:28 <|amethyst> @??spec:the meatlord 00:57:28 the meatlord: dispater hp:10000 hd:60 name:The_Meatlord n_rpl col:lightmagenta 00:57:41 @??slime creature hp:10000 hd:100 name:The_Unspeakable n_rpl col:jewel spells:airstrike.25.natural 00:57:41 The Unspeakable (16J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 1/4 | Dam: 22 | amphibious, regen | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 864388 | Sp: airstrike (0-210) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:58:00 also, oops, I guess I nerfed its death door too 00:58:07 had no idea anyone else was using that spell 00:59:18 <|amethyst> hm 00:59:45 <|amethyst> need to fix up monster's parse_des.py to recognise those spells 01:00:10 woohah 01:00:15 !mantis 5706 01:00:16 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5706 01:01:04 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:01:47 hooah! 01:02:39 -!- jspengler has quit [] 01:03:36 yep. i changed one character of actual code. 01:06:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 01:11:41 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:31 night 01:13:33 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 01:14:42 !lm * recent br.enter=wizlab x=place 01:14:45 5244. [2015-04-04 06:04:41] [place=WizLab] Aeolite the Bludgeoner (L20 OpFi of Ashenzari) entered The Roulette of Golubria on turn 51911. (Vaults:2) 01:14:56 !lm * recent br.enter=wizlab x=noun 01:14:57 5244. [2015-04-04 06:04:41] [noun=WizLab] Aeolite the Bludgeoner (L20 OpFi of Ashenzari) entered The Roulette of Golubria on turn 51911. (Vaults:2) 01:16:01 !lm * recent br.enter=wizlab x=avg(xl) s=oplace 01:16:02 5244 milestones for * (recent br.enter=wizlab): 613x Elf:1 [17.88], 522x Elf:2 [18.72], 461x Elf:3 [19.54], 460x Depths:1 [20.72], 433x Vaults:2 [19.57], 390x Vaults:1 [18.96], 359x Vaults:3 [20.08], 342x Depths:2 [21.87], 340x Vaults:4 [20.62], 288x Depths:3 [22.73], 280x Depths:4 [23.23], 277x Depths:5 [24.01], 218x Crypt:1 [23.31], 214x Crypt:2 [23.9], 47x Crypt:3 [24.09] 01:17:07 so monstrous menagerie as ^Dith just summoned a hostile lindwurm (The lindwurm is enraged by your darkness!). the last time i played ^Dith, in 0.17-a0-77-gee7a2f2, menagerie just didn't summon any lindwurms. does 0.16.1-11-g651b585 have different behavior? (and i cast it 193 times that game, so it wasn't a coincidence that it never summoned a lindwurm) 01:18:53 actually now tha ti think about it, i read the source during that game, and discovered tha tit was intentionally avoiding usmmoning a lindwurm for dithmenos followers. i wonder if there is something else going on this game 01:20:37 <|amethyst> %git ee58bc3 01:20:37 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-38-gee58bc3: Prevent monstrous menagerie from giving lindwurms to Dith followers 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee58bc3b6b54 01:21:02 <|amethyst> that wasn't in 0.16 01:21:07 <|amethyst> s/wasn't/isn't/. 01:21:21 makes sense 01:23:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:25:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:14 The build was broken. (master - 7ba5d84 #2176 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57126855 01:25:14 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:28:50 why does spiny mutation scale so weakly (according to learndb anyway)? 01:32:41 <|amethyst> probably because doing 1d5 at level one would be pointless 01:32:46 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:57 and 2d5, 3d5, 4d5 would be too much? 01:34:04 <|amethyst> the chance scales by mutation level too: 6% -> ~7.5% -> ~9.5% 01:34:07 <|amethyst> maybe not 01:34:17 <|amethyst> also, that /2 is a div_round_rand 01:34:29 <|amethyst> so at level 2 it does either 2d5 or 3d5 01:34:34 <|amethyst> not just 2d5 01:35:16 interesting. so my current Ds that's not bothering to get mutations isn't missing much by spiny staying at 2 :) 01:35:47 <|amethyst> !learn edit spiny s@chance@2/(39 - 6x) chance@ 01:35:48 spiny[1/1]: Mutation, has a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 (where x is mutation level) - enemy AC - player EVP/3) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. Doesn't check EVP in 0.15. Prevents constriction. 01:36:41 <|amethyst> !learn edit spiny s@ $where.*level$@@ 01:36:42 spiny[1/1]: Mutation, has a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 - enemy AC - player EVP/3) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. Doesn't check EVP in 0.15. Prevents constriction. 01:36:49 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:43 <|amethyst> !learn edit spiny s@Mutation, has@: At mutation levels x, gives@ 01:37:44 spiny[1/1]: : At mutation levels x, gives a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 - enemy AC - player EVP/3) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. Doesn't check EVP in 0.15. Prevents constriction. 01:37:51 <|amethyst> !learn edit spiny s@levels@level@ 01:37:52 spiny[1/1]: : At mutation level x, gives a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 - enemy AC - player EVP/3) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. Doesn't check EVP in 0.15. Prevents constriction. 01:38:34 !learn edit spiny s/AC.*damage/AC) damage/ 01:38:35 spiny[1/1]: : At mutation level x, gives a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 - enemy AC) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. Doesn't check EVP in 0.15. Prevents constriction. 01:38:43 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:05 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:39:08 !learn edit spiny s/Doesn.t.*0.15. // 01:39:09 spiny[1/1]: : At mutation level x, gives a 2/(39 - 6x) chance of doing (2 + (x-1)/2)d5 - enemy AC) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. Prevents constriction. 01:39:22 <|amethyst> thanks, I was about to do that :) 01:39:27 yeah, might as well remove that old line since it also made the formula longer 01:39:47 <|amethyst> actually 01:40:35 <|amethyst> hm 01:43:22 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:44:14 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:48:15 also, is antennae not removing the detected monsters when they're not there a bug? 02:08:53 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:46 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:22:59 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-444-gf9be5f3 (34) 02:31:34 -!- eb has quit [] 02:34:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:13 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:41:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:41:54 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44:20 -!- angelichorsey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:08 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:52:17 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:59 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:06:22 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:09:50 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:00 -!- joof has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:23:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:28:45 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:36:53 I just realized something 03:37:09 Death Knights of Kiku were removed because they were functionally too similar to the Ne start 03:37:51 What made the Death Knight of Yred different enough to not be removed back then? (seeing as DK is gone now) 03:40:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-445-g11f9886: Do unrandart name lookup consistently 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=11f9886f795c 03:40:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-446-g0166263: Add a dlua function you.unrands() to see if a unique item has generated 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01662637995b 03:42:35 Lightli: there weren't death knights of kiku, there were death knights that started with book of necromancy 03:42:47 oh 03:43:07 in that case yeah that literally was Ne but with a different name :v 03:43:31 Lightli: not true 03:43:37 oh 03:43:41 Lightli: it was Ne with 1 MP and a bad weapon! 03:43:48 ahahahahaha 03:43:53 Lightli: no seriously it had 1 MP it was awful 03:44:11 yeah 1 mp caster start sounds really bad 03:44:56 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:45:35 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:45:54 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:50:13 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:39 -!- Bernie_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 03:52:49 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 03:57:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:21 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:22 The build was broken. (master - 36df04e #2180 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57127871 04:01:22 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 04:02:02 is there a known problem with include = old_unicode_glyphs.txt with 0.16.1? it works fine online (CDO trunk) for me, but using it in my Windows (console obviously) 0.16.1 gives 20-30 "invalid glyph override 0" messages on startup (of the application already, not even , and a single "invalid glyph override 22" message when the game is started, also none of the display_char glyphs seem to 04:02:02 display (eg, walls are standard #) 04:03:01 or, to rephrase, has anyone got old_unicode_glyphs to work in 0.16.1? or just solid walls through display_char in another way? 04:04:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:05:51 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:12:39 copy+paste:ing the contents of old_unicode_glyphs.txt into init.txt works fine. I'm confused! 04:13:07 works fine = works as intended in-game 04:15:58 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:27:17 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:37:41 OK, I opened up the old_unicode_glyphs.txt file from the distribution in notepad. Notepad indicated it is in UTF-8 format, I resaved it under a different name in unicode format. This new file works fine with includ from init.txt. I'm not sure if I should submit a bug report about this, or hwat it should say, since I'm very unsure about what is going on. 04:41:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:40 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:54 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:06 hey, what is "severity: feature" supposed to mean on mantis? 04:43:40 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:45:28 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:46:11 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:47:47 it means you're either uploading or requesting a feature 04:48:28 or a patch rather in the former case 04:52:59 kk 04:53:55 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:23 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:57:07 mantis isn't really a place for feature requests but if there's a feature with such a lackluster/terrible UI it almost qualifies as a bug I guess it could make sense since it might not technically qualify as a bug 04:57:34 eg show the maximum instead of minimum price for gozag's potion petition 04:57:49 (although in that particular case I'd just unfr gozag altogether) 04:58:06 s/instead of/in addition to/ 04:59:15 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 05:17:55 EV penalty not displayed when constricted 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9610 by Kolbur 05:37:16 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:37:16 -!- djinni_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:40:54 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:54 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:57 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:59:43 -!- Soadrem is now known as Soadreqm 06:09:49 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:58 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:17 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:23 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:20:42 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:25:14 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:20 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:27:32 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:34:29 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:40:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:45 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:02 -!- agolden has left ##crawl-dev 06:41:41 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:42:04 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:43 -!- tgcid9999 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:52:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:56:52 -!- tingol1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:57:53 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:00:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:48 -!- bgiannan13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:13 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:59 git 07:16:01 %git 07:16:02 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-446-g0166263: Add a dlua function you.unrands() to see if a unique item has generated 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01662637995b 07:17:24 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:24 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:26:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:28:34 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33:14 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:11 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:37:29 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:38:23 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:13 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:45 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 07:51:52 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:28 -!- Walttt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:01:46 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04:41 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05:39 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:08:00 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:22:53 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:19 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:28:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:30:27 ??staff of air 08:30:27 staff damage[1/3]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. Prior to 0.15, air also needed to pass a (damage dealt + air + 1)/20 chance. 08:34:43 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:55 hi Brannock_ 08:35:59 ??short sword 08:35:59 short sword[1/1]: Short blades; +4 acc / 6 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay 08:36:00 ??dagger 08:36:01 dagger[1/1]: (short blades; +6 acc / 4 dam / 1.0 base delay / 0.5 min delay). A double-edged fighting knife with a sharp point. Notable for getting a larger stabbing bonus than any other weapon. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 08:37:40 ??rapier 08:37:40 rapier[1/1]: (short blades; +4 acc / 7 dam / 1.2 base delay / 0.5 min delay). A slender, sharply pointed sword, with an uncommonly elegant design. 08:38:16 !learn edit short_sword[1] s/$/. Doesn't chop hydra heads in 0.16. 08:38:17 short sword[1/1]: Short blades; +4 acc / 6 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay. Doesn't chop hydra heads in 0.16. 08:38:39 !learn edit rapier[1] s/$/ Doesn't chop hydra heads in 0.16. 08:38:40 rapier[1/1]: (short blades; +4 acc / 7 dam / 1.2 base delay / 0.5 min delay). A slender, sharply pointed sword, with an uncommonly elegant design. Doesn't chop hydra heads in 0.16. 08:38:52 ??quick blade 08:38:53 quick blade[1/2]: (short blades; +6 acc / 5 dam / 0.7 base delay / 0.3 min delay). Ultra-fast short blade. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 0.2 min delay with haste/finesse. Quick blades cannot have the speed brand. 08:41:36 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:49:22 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:57:33 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:09 blerg, we don't have a symbol for "generic humanoid" 09:01:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:20:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:32 @ 09:23:43 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:47 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:52 Scrolling in Dungeon Overview 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9611 by opacalumen 09:49:26 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:54:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:01:56 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:04:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:08 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 10:05:41 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:14:00 -!- 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Comes in wand and spell form. Useful on orc warriors and the like with low magic resistance. In both forms, can be very useful to enslave something, tell it to 'wait here' and get xp while it kills things off screen. 13:05:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:05:47 ??enslavement[2 13:05:48 enslavement[2/3]: You can't enslave monsters that your god doesn't like. 13:05:49 ??enslavement[3 13:05:50 scroll of vulnerability[3/3]: Trivia: If you cast Summon Greater Demon, then read vuln (or a purple drac/quicksilver dragon shoots at them - same effect) they go hostile, because their friendliness was a status effect (enslavement). 13:07:53 !learn edit set enslavement[1] A wand that temporarily turns an enemy into an ally. Useful on orc warriors and the like with low magic resistance. Can be very useful to enslave something, tell it to 'wait here' and get xp while it kills things off screen. The spell was removed in 0.17. 13:07:53 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 13:07:59 !learn set enslavement[1] A wand that temporarily turns an enemy into an ally. Useful on orc warriors and the like with low magic resistance. Can be very useful to enslave something, tell it to 'wait here' and get xp while it kills things off screen. The spell was removed in 0.17. 13:07:59 enslavement[1/3]: A wand that temporarily turns an enemy into an ally. Useful on orc warriors and the like with low magic resistance. Can be very useful to enslave something, tell it to 'wait here' and get xp while it kills things off screen. The spell was removed in 0.17. 13:08:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:17 ??gell's_gravitas 13:09:17 gell's gravitas[1/1]: L5 Hex/Tloc in the books of the Warp and Hinderance, new for 0.16. Pulls creatures (excluding the caster) towards a target creature (including the caster!), smashing them into each other, like a one-turn {singularity} without the direct damage. 13:09:28 <|amethyst> !learn edit enslavement[1] s/The spell.*/Was also a spell (L4 Hexes) in 0.16 and earlier./ 13:09:29 enslavement[1/3]: A wand that temporarily turns an enemy into an ally. Useful on orc warriors and the like with low magic resistance. Can be very useful to enslave something, tell it to 'wait here' and get xp while it kills things off screen. Was also a spell (L4 Hexes) in 0.16 and earlier. 13:09:35 thanks 13:09:43 (but how dare you correct me!) 13:10:10 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ is now known as Twiggytwiggytwig 13:10:10 !learn edit gell's_gravitas[1] s/L5/L3/ 13:10:10 gell's gravitas[1/1]: L3 Hex/Tloc in the books of the Warp and Hinderance, new for 0.16. Pulls creatures (excluding the caster) towards a target creature (including the caster!), smashing them into each other, like a one-turn {singularity} without the direct damage. 13:10:12 <|amethyst> how dare you need correction! 13:10:33 sadly I dare need it far too mch! 13:10:42 *much (ironic) 13:11:03 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:11:37 -!- Archevanescent has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:11:53 !learn edit gell's_gravitas[1] s/, new for 0.16// 13:11:54 gell's gravitas[1/1]: L3 Hex/Tloc in the books of the Warp and Hinderance. Pulls creatures (excluding the caster) towards a target creature (including the caster!), smashing them into each other, like a one-turn {singularity} without the direct damage. 13:12:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:12:29 !learn edit gell's_gravitas[1] s/L3/L5 (L3 from 0.17)/ 13:12:29 gell's gravitas[1/1]: L5 (L3 from 0.17) Hex/Tloc in the books of the Warp and Hinderance. Pulls creatures (excluding the caster) towards a target creature (including the caster!), smashing them into each other, like a one-turn {singularity} without the direct damage. 13:12:54 did it get smite-ified yet? 13:13:09 %git :/Improve 13:13:09 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-450-g1a64069: Improve Gell's Gravitas some more 10(12 days ago, 9 files, 31+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a6406902a40 13:13:36 Lasty: you... 13:13:37 !glasses 13:13:38 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 13:13:40 ...smite say that 13:14:18 I'm telling Grunt you stole his glasses 13:14:38 i was going to make inner flame smite-targeted too but that turns out to be effort 13:15:01 it does? 13:15:08 because it has the power bonus and MR chance through being a zap, so that'd have to be reimplemented somehow for smitey things 13:15:30 I swear there has been at least one thing that does that already 13:15:41 * Grunt goes to investigate 13:15:45 also because monster inner flame then wouldn't be smite-targeted but i bet you can guess what my suggestion is to fix that 13:15:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:01 monsters have inner flame? 13:16:06 @??necromancer 13:16:07 necromancer (16p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 28-49 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 614 | Sp: b.cold (3d18), agony, animate dead, simulacrum / b.fire (3d18), agony, inner flame, invisibility [04emergency], animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:16:08 necromancers do 13:16:32 Also player ghosts because player ghosts do virtually everything 13:16:42 can remove it because of lack of monster/player symmetry imo, that's a good excuse 13:16:51 since players can't do that anymore on zombies 13:17:02 why 13:17:03 Players can do that on zombies again 13:17:12 unless it was removed again again 13:17:30 <|amethyst> %git 27d8d3e 13:17:30 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1299-g27d8d3e: Allow inner flaming allies. 10(10 months ago, 3 files, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=27d8d3e4d69f 13:18:04 <|amethyst> FR: felids can inner flame self 13:18:14 |amethyst: I have a patch for that somewhere 13:18:26 <|amethyst> why am I not surprised? :) 13:18:40 how does monster corrosion work? It looks like binary-state, and applying it doesn't seem to have a duration . . . 13:18:45 |amethyst: it extends to players in general but it's basically useless outside of that one edge case 13:18:57 |amethyst: so I don't think it's worth adding 13:19:38 <|amethyst> could remove the spell and have a monster with innate inner flame 13:19:57 I think they're called giant spores 13:20:11 <|amethyst> giant spores are on a hair trigger though 13:20:14 true 13:20:19 and they don't leave flame clouds 13:20:24 fire elementals 13:20:26 <_< >_> 13:20:30 lava spores 13:20:36 large bag of meat (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 40 | HP: 400 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors, 07vault | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 15000 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 13:20:36 %??large bag of meat 13:20:52 <|amethyst> magicpoints: ooh, also Deep Children 13:21:27 <|amethyst> the Non will become Joffu-Wup 13:21:58 <|amethyst> s/Joffu/Juffo/ 13:22:05 Do giant spores feel too much like direct damage traps to anyone else 13:22:11 you just reject the Non so that it is no longer Non. 13:22:26 |amethyst: does that makes us the agents of Juffo-Wup 13:22:33 gammafunk: they do to me because somehow I usually don't notice them 13:22:39 gammafunk: half your hp + confuse + noise is sometimes dangerous 13:22:47 -!- daagar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22:49 simmarine: sure they're dangerous 13:23:05 <|amethyst> @??giant spore 13:23:05 giant spore (03*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1 | 03plant, lev | Res: 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 13:23:16 @??ball lightning 13:23:17 ball lightning (11*) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 752 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 13:23:21 they're just a bit too much like a trap that damages you for my taste 13:23:41 <|amethyst> but you can see them coming 13:23:48 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:54 yes most of the time youll see them before it takes any actions 13:23:55 <|amethyst> and explode them pretty easily 13:24:19 well most damage traps were uncovered before they could hit you 13:24:35 !lg . killer=trap 13:24:35 No games for bh (killer=trap). 13:24:39 !lg . killer=blade_trap 13:24:39 No games for bh (killer=blade_trap). 13:24:39 <|amethyst> but didn't chase you so were trivial to avoid then 13:24:42 !lg bh vmsg~~trap 13:24:43 8. bh the Scorcher (L13 DrFE of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a trapdoor spider zombie on D:12 on 2013-05-12 20:28:03, with 35001 points after 30383 turns and 3:05:19. 13:24:44 those dont even do anything though, at least spores make noise and can confuse players 13:24:50 !lg bh vmsg~~trap vmsg!~~trapdoor 13:24:51 5. bh the Sneak (L6 SpWr), killed by triggering an arrow trap on D:6 on 2012-11-19 02:11:40, with 530 points after 4393 turns and 0:21:00. 13:24:53 and yes they have a remarkable speed 13:25:06 !lg . vmsg~~trap vmsg!~~trapdoor 13:25:12 2. SGrunt the Miscreant (L7 SpEn), killed by triggering a spear trap on D:5 on 2012-05-18 00:03:55, with 1100 points after 6708 turns and 0:18:38. 13:25:12 !lg bh vmsg~~trap vmsg!~~trapdoor max=xl 13:25:12 5. bh the Necromancer (L11 DDNe of Makhleb), killed by triggering a blade trap on D:13 on 2010-04-10 03:06:01, with 12670 points after 23923 turns and 2:42:48. 13:25:12 my issue with them is they make more and its really annoying to have to hunt them down 13:25:12 !lg . vmsg~~trap vmsg!~~trapdoor 1 13:25:13 1/2. SGrunt the Skirmisher (L1 KoBe of Trog), killed by triggering a dart trap on D:1 on 2012-05-09 04:29:01, with 27 points after 160 turns and 0:01:26. 13:25:20 <|amethyst> I think of them as more like a damage spell of ballistomycetes 13:25:25 ^ getting killed by a blade trap as a DDNe is sadness 13:25:42 <|amethyst> though generating asleep is weird 13:26:20 getting chased by a spore isn't terribly often a thing 13:26:41 @??lurking horror 13:26:41 lurking horror (02*) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 13:26:51 should be renamed to tormentspore 13:27:00 <|amethyst> sporement 13:27:18 <|amethyst> sporementor 13:28:00 <|amethyst> (works in an after-school program underprivileged spores) 13:28:01 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:28:07 <|amethyst> s/program/program for/ 13:28:14 they just have far too many unavoidable gotcha scenarious 13:29:23 perhaps if they were just adder speed it wouldn't be so bad 13:29:57 <|amethyst> that sounds reasonable 13:30:43 would that really make much difference? 13:30:51 generally either you're carrying stones when you spot them or you're not 13:30:56 right 13:32:14 <|amethyst> FR: give everyone an infinite supply of stones 13:32:36 not the worst idea I've heard! 13:32:53 too bad you can do weird things with enemy attention and stones still 13:33:04 but it'll break sandblast!!?! 13:33:23 <|amethyst> bh: one of the two spells left that cares what you're wielding 13:33:28 |amethyst: but that'll remove the excitement of finding your first pile of stones 13:33:31 and I'm not even kidding 13:33:57 man! Is that 24 stones! Twenty-four! I got it made! 13:34:02 |amethyst: can we remove sticks to snakes without making tmut unplayable? 13:34:13 imo yes 13:34:18 but it would be harder 13:34:19 removing StS outright with no replacement sounds not good 13:34:19 <|amethyst> I don't know, I don't play tmut much 13:34:25 give ozo's armor instead 13:34:48 and make beastly appendage give many auxes whose level depend on your spellpower instead of always giving one level 3 one 13:34:55 done 13:37:12 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 13:38:42 !lg * s=name 13:38:51 4179272 games for *: 106010x Sebi, 40591x ew, 21985x Meow, 19336x syban, 12562x heteroy, 12372x TGW, 11768x pigah, 11351x dscm, 10825x LogicNinja, 10555x neil, 10454x KiloByte, 10140x firemonkey, 9960x adamzap, 9068x Xiberia, 8973x phyphor, 8956x soul, 8809x Elynae, 8592x 4thArraOfDagon, 8316x BirdoPrey, 8043x Tenaya, 8034x Ivo, 7988x silentsnack, 7986x qtip, 7805x Fieros, 7138x Thrall, 6810x Kell... 13:39:08 tmut is already hard 13:39:25 transmuters are such a horrible class to start with 13:39:36 mostly because you're 100% melee and your only weapon is terrible 13:39:44 short of mo and (maybe) wr it's probably the single worst start 13:39:58 mo is a better starter than tm 13:40:02 because your weapon doesn't suck as much 13:40:12 trtm coolest to start as 13:40:26 trtmĉ^chei 13:41:52 bh, gammafunk: I don't think Tm needs s2s at all 13:43:26