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Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 00:02:37 if you want to make poison more useful in extended it sounds a lot better to just make it so not every demon ever has rPois 00:02:50 and so that rPois+ doesn't make demons immune to poison status for no reason (wtf) 00:03:30 well sixfirhy doesnt actually have rpois+ but still cant be poisoned 00:03:38 what 00:03:40 they just take the direct damage 00:03:46 idk 00:03:50 it could be poisoned last time i tried poisoning one 00:03:59 oh nm 00:04:01 i think you are right 00:04:10 The sixfirhy is poisoned. 00:04:13 wanker 00:07:47 but yeah it is really dumb that parrow doesn't poison rPois+ demons, but poisons rPois+ not-demons 00:07:47 so they need the rpois to be unpoisonable 00:07:47 yup 00:07:47 oh it looks like rPois+ also makes holy monsters immune to poison 00:07:47 but I basically consider holy to be the same as demonic anyway 00:07:47 ok yeah that is weird 00:07:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:07:47 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:47 i wonder if you can poison a plant if you happen to get a plant without rPois 00:07:48 thorn hunter (16f) | Spd: 12 (swim: 120%) | HD: 15 | HP: 80-117 | AC/EV: 9/9 | Dam: 27, 23 | 03plant, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2120 | Sp: v.thorns (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil], w.brambles [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 00:07:48 %??thorn hunter 00:08:49 dryad (09R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 39-66 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 10 | spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 04fire | XP: 350 | Sp: awaken vines, awaken forest, minor healing (2d4) [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:08:49 %??dryad 00:09:09 apparently not a plant 00:09:35 well duh have you ever typed "sexy dryad" on bing? not plants 00:10:40 oh apparently you can already poison rPois+ plants with parrow anyway 00:10:44 so thats good 00:10:57 it's just holy and demonic that are dumb 00:11:10 (nonliving and undead all have rpois+++ now I hope) 00:11:29 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 132-162 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 3004(rot), 30 | 07undead, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 1546 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:11:29 %??ghoul 00:11:31 -!- schistosoma has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:11:44 ancient zyme (03x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 39-66 | AC/EV: 6/6 | Dam: 1605(drain strength), 1605(drain dexterity) | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 326 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:11:44 %??ancient zyme 00:11:46 god. fucking. dammit 00:11:52 why crawl 00:12:21 well non-living was always the most logical classification 00:12:34 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 00:12:35 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:37 ??ancient zyme 00:12:38 ancient zyme[1/3]: A floating cancer. Found in the abyss, it passively causes sickness (after a few turns in los) and has strength and dexterity draining melee attacks. 00:15:52 ...floating cancer? is that literally its description? 00:15:52 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:15:52 !tell gammafunk ancient zymes only have rPois+ what the fuck 00:15:52 minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 00:15:52 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:52 I just know Ancient Zymes as 'fucks with my regen'. I think they are one of the most fatal things in the Abyss; because of that Sick status. Harmless alone; but turning off your Regen with other things around...Sheesh. 00:15:52 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 43-67 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 554 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:15:52 %??oklob plant 00:15:52 you know that sick goes away if you quaff curing right 00:17:15 Yea; but I usually don't have that many curings when I do the abyss and I -try- to save them for curing rot in Tomb/Hell. Abyss is usually my 2nd-4th rune. Also it comes right back if you haven't killed the Zyme yet...which it does take time to get those things (edge of LoS, etc.) 00:17:41 on the other hand zymes are not exactly threatening by themselves 00:17:56 if you are encountering zymes with other things it may be time to consider running away 00:18:20 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:39 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:50 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:19:33 Ever done the Abyss with Qazlal. I survived it; but geez that's annoying. Non-stop everything coming at you...heh 00:19:44 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:50 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 00:20:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:23:56 White Moth (04y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 20 | HP: 87-129 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2505(rage) | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 2034 | Sp: heal other (2d10) [11!AM, 06!sil], major healing [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: insect. 00:23:56 %??moth of wrath name:White_Moth spells:Heal_other.27.natural;major_healing.27.natural hd:20 00:23:56 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:23:56 Take the melee off that and it might be a cute addition somewhere. there aren't really any 'cleric' archetypical enemies; save maybe the ironheart preserver. 00:23:56 -!- zjeremie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:43 @??ice_fiend 00:24:50 Ice Fiend (161) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-115 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53), 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2892 | Sp: b.cold (3d27) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 00:24:50 %??ice_fiend 00:25:33 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9161 | Sp: glaciate (10-132) [06!sil], conjure ball lightning [06!sil], major healing [06!sil], tornado [06!sil], blink range [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 00:25:33 %??lom_lobon 00:27:00 hmm 00:27:09 is it possible to query the average amount of gold spent in a game? 00:28:06 ??iscdodown 00:28:08 iscdodown ~ is cdo down[1/1]: 5 hours, 53 minutes, 22 seconds since last activity (cdo) 00:28:35 CanOfWorms: 00:28:35 !lg * t win x=avg(goldspent) 00:28:36 1029 games for * (t win): avg(goldspent)=4000.93 00:32:00 now, I don't know when that was first tracked so I limited it to tournament games 00:32:00 cool 00:32:00 !lg * t win x=avg(goldspent) god=gozag 00:32:00 20 games for * (t win god=gozag): avg(goldspent)=10258.5 00:32:00 !lg * t win x=avg(goldspent) god!=gozag 00:32:00 1009 games for * (t win god!=gozag): avg(goldspent)=3876.89 00:32:00 neat 00:32:00 !lg * goldspent>0 1 x=cv 00:32:00 1/377892. [cv=0.5] adamzap the Sneak (L1 SpSt), got out of the dungeon alive on 2009-07-29 17:46:23, with 20 points after 1 turn and 0:00:01. 00:32:10 I didn't expect the tracking to go back that far 00:32:15 !kw current 00:32:16 Keyword: current => cv>=0.15 00:32:19 -!- mp[crawl] is now known as magicpoints 00:32:25 I once saw a fixed art in a shop and new I would never use it; but I bought it because it was only 1 gold. What was it? 00:32:30 !lg * cv>=0.16-a br=pan s=ikiller 00:32:31 374 games for * (cv>=0.16-a br=pan): 40x a hellion, 30x Cerebov, 30x a Brimstone Fiend, 27x, 23x a Hell Sentinel, 21x an Executioner, 20x Mnoleg, 15x Lom Lobon, 15x a balrug, 11x Gloorx Vloq, 8x a daeva, 7x an Ice Fiend, 6x a smoke demon, 6x a blizzard demon, 5x a torturous warmonger, 3x a shadow demon, 3x a seraph, 3x a putrid warmonger, 3x an infernal warmonger, 3x a Shadow Fiend, 3x a cacodemon... 00:33:11 I like how gammafunk's wizard mode quit is permanently etched in the tournament killboard 00:33:58 !lg * won x=avg(goldspent) god!=gozag urune=15 00:33:59 5812 games for * (won god!=gozag urune=15): avg(goldspent)=200847.63 00:34:00 killboard? 00:34:12 that's a glitch. 00:34:17 CanOfWorms: link? 00:34:29 oh, it's gone now 00:34:36 http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/killers.html < this thing 00:34:42 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:53 heh, what 00:35:08 CanOfWorms: what did it say? 00:35:18 it's still there, just like every other "killer" 00:35:21 oh yeah 00:35:21 wizard mode as the killer 00:35:22 haha 00:35:25 great 00:35:36 my true nemesis 00:35:37 wait, it is? 00:35:38 I mean this is the purpose of the page 00:35:41 so... 00:35:46 not sure why you are surprised 00:35:51 CanOfWorms: yeah entry 412 00:36:10 oh, wizmode 00:36:12 412 stupidity 00:36:14 searched for the wrong thing 00:36:22 drowning or something similar, probably 00:36:24 from confusion? 00:36:26 elliptic: yeah I'm only surprised because I've not seen this section of the table 00:36:46 self-aimed is a good one 00:40:04 -!- jspengler has quit [] 00:40:04 ah, I see 00:40:04 stupidity is the int loss death 00:40:04 I can't believe you wizmoded a second time though gammafunk 00:40:04 what were those about, anyway? 00:40:04 I don't think that was me.. 00:40:04 !lg . ktype=wizmode 00:40:04 3. gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu), entered wizard mode on D:1 (sevenhm_arrival_forest_fort_large_2) on 2015-03-20 07:18:48, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:04. 00:40:04 !lg . t ktype=wizmode 00:40:04 2. gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu), entered wizard mode on D:1 (sevenhm_arrival_forest_fort_large_2) on 2015-03-20 07:18:48, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:04. 00:40:04 oh 00:40:04 oh that was testing something 00:40:04 ah 00:40:04 !lg . t ktype=wizmode x=src 00:40:04 2. [src=cszo] gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu), entered wizard mode on D:1 (sevenhm_arrival_forest_fort_large_2) on 2015-03-20 07:18:48, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:04. 00:40:20 !lg . t ktype=wizmode 00:40:21 2. gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu), entered wizard mode on D:1 (sevenhm_arrival_forest_fort_large_2) on 2015-03-20 07:18:48, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:04. 00:41:30 475 Mara the hellephant 0.00% 1 axecop 00:41:46 Mara (13R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 10/14 | Dam: 30 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4614 | Sp: blink [11!AM, 06!sil], b.fire (3d27) [06!sil], mara summon [06!sil], sum.illusion [06!sil], pain (d17) [06!sil], teleport self [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:41:46 %??mara 00:41:50 Something I notice on the killers page, shouldn't panlords use ckiller? 00:42:58 uh. 00:43:06 475 Grinder the hellephant 0.00% 1 Xavori 00:43:11 I need to check this morgue 00:44:00 Blind Evoked early wands; got Polymorph? 00:44:11 does grinder have the HD to become a hellephant? 00:44:15 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 147-196 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic | Res: 06magic(140), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3126 | Sp: fire breath (3d40) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:44:15 %??hellephant 00:44:23 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 281 | Sp: pain (d10) [06!sil], paralyse [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 00:44:23 %??grinder 00:44:45 ...no...I don't think so. 00:44:47 polyed grinder becomes lots of things (infamously an Executioner) 00:44:55 Also, uh, why do these following guys use cikiller=pandemonium_lord? see: 00:44:55 and poluy usually bumps the HD 00:44:57 !lg * cikiller=pandemonium_lord ckiller!=pandemonium_lord s=ikiller ?:n>1 00:44:58 9194 games for * (cikiller=pandemonium_lord ckiller!=pandemonium_lord): 5146x Xom, 3739x Robin, 294x Lugonu's corruption, 10x The Shining One, 3x Jiyva, 2x Plog 00:48:08 That's the opposite of how I thought it would work. 00:48:08 ??cloak_of_the_flash 00:48:08 I don't have a page labeled cloak_of_the_flash in my learndb. 00:48:08 ...Plog? Robin? 00:48:08 !lg Xavori killer=Grinder_the_hellephant -log 00:48:08 ?/flash 00:48:08 1. Xavori, XL4 MuCK, T:1597: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Xavori/morgue-Xavori-20150318-230156.txt 00:48:08 Matching terms (4): cloak_of_flash, flash, flash_freeze, your_amulet_flashes; entries (12): antaeus[1] | Basil[1] | dagger_of_chilly_death[1] | flash[1] | flash_freeze[1] | frozen[1] | legendary_destruction[1] | mold[1] | serpent_of_hell[2] | upheaval[1] | vehumet_wrath[3] | vibrating_cloak[1] 00:48:08 ??cloak_of_flash 00:48:08 cloak of flash[1/1]: Unrandart +3 cloak {+Fly, EV+4} 00:48:08 ??plog 00:48:08 plog[1/3]: When Crawl's name generator generates a name too short, it returns "Plog" instead of rerolling. That's why this name appears relatively often. 00:48:08 ??robin 00:48:08 robin[1/2]: A new unique hobgoblin in 0.16-a. She comes with a pack of hobgoblins who she can both buff with her warcry (see {orc knight}) and throw to surround you. Beware. 00:48:08 How is she related to a panlord? 00:48:08 ??cloak_of_starlight 00:48:08 cloak of starlight[1/1]: The +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}. 00:48:08 wait what did magicpoints' query give? 00:48:08 Arachne the caustic shrike 00:48:08 rip 00:48:09 "combined indirect killer = pandemonium lord" includes several things that aren't panlords 00:48:39 shard shrike shaped Royal Jelly double rip 00:48:43 How does a Plog kill you? lol 00:50:02 !lg * cikiller=pandemonium_lord ckiller!=pandemonium_lord s=ikiller ?:n>1 00:50:08 that's pretty cool 00:50:10 !lg * cikiller=pandemonium_lord ckiller!=pandemonium_lord s=ikiller ?:n>1 00:50:11 9194 games for * (cikiller=pandemonium_lord ckiller!=pandemonium_lord): 5146x Xom, 3739x Robin, 294x Lugonu's corruption, 10x The Shining One, 3x Jiyva, 2x Plog 00:50:16 |amethyst: explain ^ 00:50:18 Plog the panlord scored two kills and so wasn't excluded by the number>1 command 00:51:05 Because Plog is more common name; ok. I was thinking Plog the Amulet was counted as a Panlord. 00:51:33 load average: 2.04, 1.38, 1.13 00:51:42 -!- Greyyy has quit [] 00:51:58 For some reason Robin counts as a pan lord...and those various god's wraths and effects use Pan Lord code too? idk... 00:52:20 I always read the 'c' in ckiller/cikiller as canonical 00:52:24 but maybe I'm a nerd 00:53:01 check out the stats in xen's latest game 00:53:07 !lg xen win x=ac,ev,sh 00:53:07 57. [ac=305;ev=56;sh=282] Xen the Sorcerer (L27 DEFi of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-21 05:46:35, with 13170637 points after 121739 turns and 6:36:04. 00:56:12 oh did he not transfer 00:56:12 with the ring bug 00:56:12 no 00:56:12 no, cigotuvi's embrace 00:56:12 !lg xen x=cv 00:56:12 he casted a spell 00:56:12 350. [cv=0.16] Xen the Sorcerer (L27 DEFi of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-21 05:46:35, with 13170637 points after 121739 turns and 6:36:04. 00:56:12 ah ok 00:56:12 !lg xen x=piety 00:56:12 350. [piety=28] Xen the Sorcerer (L27 DEFi of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-21 05:46:35, with 13170637 points after 121739 turns and 6:36:04. 00:56:12 yeah 00:56:12 heh 00:56:12 Hey, what's up with the Git, I haven' 00:56:12 t been able to access it for a while 00:56:12 You know Dazzling Spray almost makes more sense as a poison spell. Check rPois on the Blinding. Still pure physical dam heh. 00:56:12 Somefellow: you need to switch your urls to https:// from git:// 00:56:12 gitorious disabled the latter 00:56:12 whens the github move happening btw 00:56:12 that's probably the issue, I mean 00:56:12 well there's no decision yet afaik 00:56:12 How do I change that for git pull 00:56:12 CDO down, including www 00:56:12 Or do I have to re-clone 00:56:12 Somefellow: get remote set-url origin https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 00:56:12 that cigbrace 300 AC is amazing 00:56:12 Somefellow: if you've never done that, try git remote --help 00:56:19 yeah I've seen that in zigs 00:56:23 or yea, what gammafunk just said 00:56:35 johnstein: worlds to live by 00:56:37 *words 00:56:43 and worlds, why not 00:56:55 I always forget how to do that since I don't do it often 00:57:05 and git foo --help seems to work a lot 00:57:06 yeah I read the man just now :/ 00:57:11 Btw, unrelated, how do I get around "error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:" 00:57:20 I just want to force overwrite 00:57:25 Somefellow: that means you've changed something in the repo 00:57:38 if you don't want those changes, git reset --hard (but that erases them so be careful) 00:58:02 you can commit them to a branch, or git stash them 00:58:06 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:58:32 git status 00:58:37 will show you what's changed 00:59:45 Well the only thing I change is the INIT, which I keep seperately anyway 01:00:03 ??iscdodown 01:00:04 iscdodown ~ is cdo down[1/1]: 6 hours, 25 minutes, 18 seconds since last activity (cdo) 01:00:22 Somefellow: yeah, if you mean settings/init.txt, that gets fiddled with a lot 01:00:25 git diff 01:00:25 Remind me to post the thing about demons in the tavern with CDO gets back up. 01:00:27 will show you what you've changed 01:00:34 Yeah I use an outside file 01:00:41 with the -rc flag on the shortcut 01:01:08 that or ~/.crawlrc or ~/.crawl/init.txt on unix os 01:04:17 On windows 01:04:17 yeah shortcut meaning windows, that's probably the best way 01:04:17 Alright, something is really broken 01:04:17 Gonna pastebin thi 01:04:17 http://paste.ubuntu.com/10640246/ 01:05:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:06:43 Somefellow: be sure to follow the updated windows build instructions if you are using msys 01:07:54 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:58 (in crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt) 01:08:56 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:09:06 It's weird CDO has been down this long, no? 01:12:21 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:21 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:22:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:30:05 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:31:25 it was down a few days ago for like 6hrs 01:32:44 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:37:31 Oddbjorg (L19 TeAE) (Vaults:3) 01:40:01 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:40:48 it was down for like, was it two weeks? 01:40:54 some months ago 01:41:01 when there was a disk problem 01:45:35 -!- inspector071 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:48:01 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:35 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 02:03:01 -!- marsbars has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09:48 wow 02:09:48 then i redouble my marketing for standalone landing page 02:09:48 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:11:06 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:06 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 02:11:06 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 02:18:01 -!- ssteam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:10 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:22:05 -!- ssteam has quit [Client Quit] 02:22:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:26:16 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:26:18 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:27:32 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:32 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 02:27:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 02:31:01 -!- wizardpiss has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32:44 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:32 tourney is still on, isn't it? 02:34:18 yes 02:35:13 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:35:53 !time 02:35:54 Time: Mar 21, 2015, 07:35:54 AM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 8 days, 12 hours, 24 minutes and 5 seconds. 02:36:02 ??qw 02:36:03 qw[1/3]: A fully automated lua bot written by elliptic, with some code borrowed from parabolic and xw. See "!lg qw won 2" for the first ever completely uninterrupted and unassisted bot win. 02:39:25 -!- Rauc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:40:11 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:38 I'm such a fool 02:40:41 then i will not yet let them do the hardware check.. supposedly takes 10-14 hours of offline time 02:42:40 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:47:12 -!- rockit has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:47:17 -!- rockit_ is now known as rockit 02:49:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:50:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:54:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:07:49 Ice Fiend (161) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-115 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53), 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2892 | Sp: b.cold (3d27) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 03:07:49 %??ice fiend 03:07:55 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:14:19 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:14:22 ynoxinul (113) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-43 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 12 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 210 | Sp: iron shot (3d16) [06!sil], sum.ufetubus [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 03:14:22 %??ynoxinul 03:15:17 -!- runewalsh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:16:04 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:17:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:30 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:19:47 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:20:17 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:33 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:04 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 03:25:04 %??orb of fire 03:26:20 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27:08 -!- mrwooster has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:27:27 Boulder beetles roll over Zot traps without triggering them 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9563 by n1000 03:27:56 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:39 -!- Palyth has quit [] 03:30:30 Posted up the discussion from earlier. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15558 03:37:03 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 03:56:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58:27 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:02:08 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:17 all I did was start a OgWn game 04:02:40 don't have the info it gave me to put in the bug report so... can't make a bug report 04:04:56 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:07:27 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:11:59 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:14:44 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:30:24 raskol?? 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Now there are gone and I cannot find any folder in My Documents. Am I suppose to write them all down by myself now?" 08:10:57 <|amethyst> Can't win for losing 08:11:16 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:17 fr concierge install 08:11:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:11:35 <|amethyst> if you have uncommented settings in the default config, that breaks things when people upgrade and the defaults or the meanings of the options have changed 08:11:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:48 <|amethyst> if you have the commented out, people thing the "#" is part of the setting 08:11:59 <|amethyst> s/the/them/ s/thing/think/ 08:12:22 <|amethyst> and if you don't have them at all, people don't know how to set options 08:13:20 do you read raymond chen's blog? 08:18:10 <|amethyst> no 08:19:25 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:19:36 <|amethyst> Maybe we should take the Gnome approach 08:19:55 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:49 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:25:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:27:50 Felid + Tree form + death = skeletal weirdness 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9565 by Dharmy 08:34:52 -!- Kolbur1 is now known as Kolbur 08:37:28 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:28 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 08:48:09 what's that? 08:51:35 <|amethyst> chequers: don't allow configuring anything 08:51:50 <|amethyst> because users don't know what they want anyway 08:52:06 <|amethyst> so why let them change settings to be more like what they want, when they're wrong? 08:52:23 agreed 08:58:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:58 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:02:42 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:43 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:19 -!- tstbtto has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:10:10 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:51 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:32 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:53 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:49:33 -!- jefkin has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:50:49 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:50:59 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:35 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:11 -!- Deathawk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:30:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:17 !tstats 7 t0.16 10:31:26 Stats after 7 days (t0.16): 1896 players, 800 runers, 449 winners, 959 wins, 23455 games, winrate 4.09%, total player time 2y+106d+17:50:29. 10:31:28 !tstats 7 t0.15 10:31:33 !crashlog Oddbjorg 10:31:34 1. Oddbjorg, XL19 TeAE, T:51163 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Oddbjorg/crash-Oddbjorg-20150321-063411.txt 10:31:37 !seen gammafunk 10:31:38 I last saw gammafunk at Sat Mar 21 06:41:01 2015 UTC (8h 50m 36s ago) saying 'when there was a disk problem' on ##crawl-dev. 10:31:40 Stats after 7 days (t0.15): 1590 players, 430 runers, 215 winners, 419 wins, 24814 games, winrate 1.69%, total player time 1y+236d+21:31:00. 10:32:44 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:33:00 !source init_attack 10:33:00 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l382 10:34:36 attacker = 0x0 10:35:23 beam.cc...... 10:35:36 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:36:11 <|amethyst> hm 10:36:25 <|amethyst> that's similar to one I fixed a little while ago 10:37:50 !tell dpeg http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3706035&perpage=40&pagenumber=21#post443023326 another gozag review, one that actually bribed hell (!) 10:37:50 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 10:37:52 <|amethyst> %git 03ff99eb 10:37:52 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-4076-g03ff99e: Don't assert when a monster kills itself then starts a fire. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=03ff99eb9403 10:42:02 no commits since yesterday morning? slackers! 10:42:04 :p 10:48:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:49:01 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:52:56 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:50 we're busy running a tournament :b 10:54:00 !time 10:54:01 Time: Mar 21, 2015, 03:54:01 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 8 days, 4 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds. 10:57:16 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:59:25 I'm very busy. 11:04:21 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 11:05:15 -!- IronfootAlcohol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:27 -!- IronfootAlcohol has quit [Client Quit] 11:10:33 -!- jspengler has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:11:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:15:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:19:14 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:20:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:21:36 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:51 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:36 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:58:13 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 11:59:01 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.3/20150319201009]] 12:01:09 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:24 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:11:19 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18:50 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:21:49 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 12:21:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:23:19 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:23:50 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:24:23 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:25:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:27:14 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:32:17 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 12:33:32 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:34:18 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 12:34:28 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:37:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:00 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:42:16 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:46 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:19 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:47:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:49:58 -!- mp[crawl] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:30 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:53:18 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:54:46 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:47 @??ancient_zyme 12:55:47 ancient zyme (03x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 40-63 | AC/EV: 6/6 | Dam: 16, 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 326 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 12:56:20 @??thorn_hunter 12:56:20 thorn hunter (16f) | Spd: 12 (swim: 120%) | HD: 15 | HP: 82-114 | AC/EV: 9/9 | Dam: 27, 23 | 03plant, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2120 | Sp: v.thorns (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil], w.brambles [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 12:57:10 minmay: what should ancient_zymes have in addition to rpois? 12:57:25 oh they're non-living 12:57:36 that's just sort of weird 12:58:04 @??lurking_horror 12:58:04 lurking horror (02*) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 12:58:22 @??iron_golem 12:58:22 iron golem (108) | Spd: 7 | HD: 15 | HP: 121-148 | AC/EV: 15/3 | Dam: 35 | 11non-living, 10doors | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 805 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 13:01:03 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:59 gammafunk: they're not rpois+++ 13:11:01 was his complaint 13:11:49 PleasingFungus: well neither are other plants, but it turns out that they're not plants (somehow) 13:11:54 just wth are they, I ask you 13:11:58 they're cancer. 13:12:02 ! 13:12:07 like, literally. that's what zyme means. 13:12:09 iirc. 13:12:15 pre sure cancer is not rpois! 13:12:24 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:27 inaccurate either way, clearly 13:12:50 yeah we don't have any particular set of resistances in mind with MH_NONLIVING or w/e it is, I guess 13:12:59 also, did you see the latest tstats 13:13:11 and/or http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/crawl-0-16-the-great-annihilating-truth/comment-page-1#comment-2094 13:13:17 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:13:39 !tstats 13:13:48 Stats after 16 days (t): 1996 players, 849 runers, 481 winners, 1079 wins, 26870 games, winrate 4.02%, total player time 2y+224d+5:12:20. 13:14:00 16 days? 13:14:15 I'm guessing it defaults to full tourney length if no # of days is given 13:14:22 even though the tourney isn't over yet 13:14:41 !tstats 8 t0.15 13:14:55 Stats after 8 days (t0.15): 1694 players, 470 runers, 244 winners, 482 wins, 28660 games, winrate 1.68%, total player time 1y+333d+1:23:02. 13:15:33 PleasingFungus: wow 13:15:40 Long Live the Great Annihilating Truth 13:15:44 ya 13:15:51 we should send him a XTAHUA plushy 13:16:05 anyway the game is now clearly a 13:16:12 "boring turn-based diablo clone with ASCII graphics that few tourney****s will play" 13:16:14 Lasty_: the +6 mace "Weriwk" (weapon) {crush, rElec rF+ Str+4 Dex-5 SInv} thanks for my resist stick! 13:16:41 also a "decent starter roguelike" 13:17:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:17:33 PleasingFungus: if you'd like to come out as a tourney*** I'm here to support you and will not judge at all 13:17:47 I will keep that in mind. 13:17:54 !lg lootfeel t s=name 13:17:56 100 games for lootfeel (t): 43x gammafunk, 20x wheals, 20x dpeg, 13x ontoclasm, 3x PleasingFungus, bh 13:17:56 !gamesby PleasingFungus t 13:17:57 PleasingFungus (t) has played 3 games, between 2015-03-13 22:16:57 and 2015-03-18 22:59:45, won 2 (66.7%), high score 2289655, total score 4273561, total turns 133297, play-time/day 1:54:51, total time 11:29:06. 13:17:58 omg 13:18:03 it's me, I'm the tourney*** 13:18:07 ! 13:18:14 still sad about that death btw 13:18:18 shouldn't have played while frustrated 13:18:26 !lg PleasingFungus t 13:18:27 3. PleasingFungus the Carver (L11 HuAr of Fedhas), slain by a wolf (led by Grum) on D:10 on 2015-03-18 22:59:45, with 6016 points after 7740 turns and 0:47:45. 13:18:30 that? 13:18:33 ya 13:18:41 no reason I should've died there, was just playing too fast 13:18:42 it's on d:10, or were you streaking? 13:18:42 rip streak.. 13:18:45 ah 13:18:50 ya that was my best streak 13:18:54 tied for best 13:19:32 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19:39 ah well 13:19:47 oh woah 13:19:52 these humans are actual humans 13:19:55 and not pikel slaves 13:20:19 my last character died free - NOT a slave. 13:20:31 hm 13:20:43 oh right, a guy on SA suggested that we should have a default force-more for when you summon a hostile demon 13:20:46 with makhleb or w/e 13:21:23 is there some obvious reason why we shouldn't? 13:22:30 that seems reasonable I guess, also really for any hostile summon 13:22:48 I guess 2 and 1 would be the priority there 13:23:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-120-g8ea3830: Fully identify trove /disint 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ea3830af14f 13:23:49 You have identified the last scroll. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9566 by Yermak 13:24:02 goodbug 13:24:11 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:24:40 lets not approve wordpress comments with slurs in them imo 13:25:05 ah 13:25:14 could star it out 13:26:35 found dummy lair entrance and it was *not* a PleasingFungus mimic 13:26:44 ? 13:27:08 you know, branch entrances that are harder to find, since there's no accompanying vault 13:29:11 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30:32 I'm a little confused about the "dummy but not mimic" thing 13:31:00 well if it were a mimic there'd be even more rage 13:31:13 compared to an easier to find branch entrance 13:33:02 :activating force-mores - orc wizard:" 13:33:03 what 13:34:15 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34:18 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:23 new rc magic 13:34:37 that's so I can debug it, and that one should be tweaked 13:34:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-121-gf94917f: Default force-more for angry demons (Ferrinus) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f94917f4d865 13:35:57 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:35:57 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:37:16 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 13:38:16 !lg gammafunk 13:38:17 2743. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by an ice beast on D:4 on 2015-03-21 02:55:16, with 275 points after 1500 turns and 0:08:20. 13:38:19 feh 13:38:30 I'm gonna count that as a dev killt 13:38:32 tbqh 13:38:41 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:43 oh I wasn't very serious with that one, sorry 13:38:47 I mean that yak fight on d:1 13:38:50 er L:1 13:39:07 nope. definitely snailed 13:39:08 ?fear and !hw ? no way 13:39:10 hm 13:39:20 !lg * ikiller="torpor snail" t s=kmap 13:39:21 14 games for * (ikiller='torpor snail' t): 12x, grunt_megastairs_3, wormcave 13:39:34 !hs * ikiller="torpor snail" t 13:39:34 14. ssteam the Impaler (L20 DsAK of Lugonu), slain by a redback (led by a torpor snail) on Spider:5 (grunt_spider_rune_parallel) on 2015-03-18 03:01:54, with 300160 points after 60368 turns and 3:41:32. 13:39:59 ugh, this "Couldn't find a map for bailey_axe" bug 13:40:03 I can't remember what fixed that 13:40:14 trying to run mapstat on less-recent orc, but... 13:40:29 hrm, now how do you get the second return value from a lua function without saving the result... 13:43:03 PleasingFungus: I trained ice to 4, which was an unforgivable sin that tainted that run 13:43:09 need to steal elliptic's rc thing 13:43:23 what do you usually train it to? 13:43:25 3? 13:43:38 what rc thing? 13:43:40 a way to limit training? 13:43:51 PleasingFungus: yeah and I forget to turn off sometimes 13:44:05 &rc elliptic 13:44:07 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.16/elliptic.rc 13:44:18 I keep daydreaming about a way to do that in the skills menu 13:44:35 hm 13:44:36 ah, I see e likes to set spell slots as well 13:44:39 !vault orc_garden 13:44:39 Can't find orc_garden. 13:44:45 !vault grunt_orc_garden 13:44:45 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/orc.des;hb=HEAD#l1621 13:44:59 I do wonder, is autopickup = $?!+"/%| necessary 13:45:04 ah, I see 13:45:28 anyway, looks like pubby_orc_utopia is considerably more common than before - looks like it shows up ~9% of the time now, up from ~3% of the time before the orc changes 13:45:44 hrm 13:45:53 let me map stat it really quick too see it's in-game rate 13:45:58 that's mapstat 13:46:01 oh 13:46:09 I just ran it pre- and post-changes 13:46:11 what are other ends? 13:46:22 about 9% as well? 13:46:28 can you pastebin it 13:46:30 a little higher 13:46:36 I guess I'll just run it nm 13:46:40 lemme re-run it on just orc:4, I think that'll be cleaner 13:46:55 oh yeah and I'd have to full debug make it 13:47:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:30 http://sprunge.us/MfbS here's old orc:4; new orc:4 coming up in a minute 13:47:33 (I, too, must rebuild) 13:48:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:02 looks like most of the ends hover slightly above 11%; also, looks like utopia was very rare indeed - didn't even generate once in this trial 13:49:03 oh it never placed 13:49:07 yeah 13:49:12 last time it generated 3 times 13:49:30 so it was at something like a 1-2% placement rate, probably 13:49:31 st_orc_town 17% tho 13:49:49 elliptic: I noticed that Pious II and III have the same requirements for championship as winning the god, i.e. it must be the first god worshipped in that game 13:49:51 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:50:00 elliptic: I don't think this is indicated anywhere 13:50:34 http://sprunge.us/IfHT new mapstat 13:50:55 check out utopia's placement in that one (last run it generated 9 times) 13:51:17 oh crap 13:51:18 17% 13:51:35 so it looks like most of the orc endings generate somewhere around 12-13% of the time on average, with high variability 13:51:40 and grunt's coummnity 7% now 13:51:50 the sample size isn't large enough 13:51:51 hm 13:51:52 *community 13:52:01 yeah you could try 500 or something 13:52:04 since it's one level 13:52:06 trying to find out how 13:52:11 -iters 13:52:14 -iters 500 13:52:23 ok, running 13:52:45 and some point I'm going to blame Grunt, just a fair warning 13:53:06 wow grunt_orc_gardens 50% of the time 13:53:19 no 13:53:25 grunt_orc_garden is a subvault 13:53:29 it's just that gardens places a lot of garden-s 13:53:30 yes 13:53:31 gardens is the main vault 13:53:33 that confused me at first too 13:53:36 the s is important!! 13:53:37 ah god it 13:53:41 *got it 13:53:41 * PleasingFungus hisses. 13:53:43 sssss 13:53:50 Eww, bugs! 13:53:51 <_< 13:53:58 /nick PleasingBuggyThing 13:54:00 tbh I'm seeing the name "grunt" an awful lot here... 13:54:17 is grunt an orc:4 unique basically? 13:54:26 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54:32 ok http://sprunge.us/ATCD better new orc stats 13:54:34 old orc coming up 13:55:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:53 !vault st_orc_congregation 13:55:54 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/orc.des;hb=HEAD#l1498 13:56:50 well doesn't look too bad, seems pretty even across end vaults 13:57:42 -!- mp[crawl] is now known as magicpoints 13:57:52 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:58:33 I imagine that post_place hook places the vaults basically immediately after the parent and before the rest of the level-checking code 13:59:36 PleasingFungus: I'm not sure what you're considering, but halving the placement of pubby's vault seems fine to me if you're considering a reduction there 13:59:50 not planning anything in particular, just wanted numbers 13:59:52 -!- jspengler has quit [] 13:59:58 probably PF is creating chaos orc deep hurler mages 14:00:00 or something 14:00:06 ! 14:00:10 sounds... quite powerful... 14:00:36 I will support hurlers if they use projectile vomit 14:00:39 # Maps for the Vaults branch, including Vaults:8 are in vaults.des. 14:01:20 not wrong technically, any vaults that would place on vaults:8 would be found in vualts.des! 14:01:29 *vaults 14:01:34 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:10 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:02:41 hm 14:03:07 is it considered rude to have Temple vaults that make entering difficult dangerous (e.g. the famous oklob vault) 14:05:31 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:10:52 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 14:11:20 gammafunk: http://pastebin.com/zNtDQuU7 thinking about this (not committed to the temple entrance thing) 14:11:45 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:12:04 hrm, that seems really mean pf 14:12:10 @??fire_elemental 14:12:10 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 23-42 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 194 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 14:12:29 I suppose 14:12:40 maybe not as a temple entrance, then 14:12:56 could just have a minitemple - a couple of random altars 14:13:06 the oklobs are bad, but they are stationary, although I'm not sure if we have other temple entrances with monsters like that 14:13:15 fire elemental is also effectively stationary 14:13:19 sort of 14:13:22 it can't cross water 14:13:31 so the player is free to retreat 14:13:32 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:39 hrm 14:13:48 so the solution is just stand in water with a polearm? 14:14:10 oops, that version was wrong 14:14:14 sorry, was oscilliating between two versions 14:14:17 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 14:14:23 replace the last W with a . 14:14:32 ah, ok 14:14:40 -!- zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:51 was undecided between that version and http://pastebin.com/2w3YeJjs 14:15:06 yeah, what I don't much care for that, then, is that it'll camp at that exact tile 14:15:19 if you wake it up and it retreats I guess 14:15:28 but then you retreat and rest I suppose 14:15:54 yeah that version does have the polearm issue as well 14:15:56 does it? 14:16:15 yeah should, although tbh I don't know exactly how the E will behave 14:16:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:16:29 er 14:16:29 no 14:16:32 sorry, yeah it doesn't 14:16:35 ok 14:16:51 maybe it'd make more sense in like... 7-11, rather than 4-7 14:17:02 yeah, which I suppose you could do 14:17:22 er 14:17:31 well placing it only on d:7 is weird 14:17:40 ? 14:17:53 it's a temple entry 14:18:13 no I mean this version wouldn't be a temple entry 14:18:19 oh ok 14:18:23 it'd have some kind of other loot 14:18:33 idk what exactly 14:18:43 dithmenos altar 14:18:51 :P 14:21:40 !vault quadcrypt_mu 14:21:41 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/crypt.des;hb=HEAD#l1492 14:22:10 I found a place here that would require ctele to enter, the RRRRK above the water 14:22:27 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:22:32 It looks like the K glyphs are supposed to make one door, but my game had none. Is that intentional? 14:23:43 -!- noob is now known as Guest97687 14:23:51 yes 14:24:10 that's the goofy secret zone 14:24:42 idk if it *should* exist but I'm pretty sure it was intended 14:25:10 yeah that little corner section at start? 14:25:18 it has a hatch so you can escape 14:25:29 I think that's one of the very last secret areas in crawl 14:25:36 can't really think of any others off-hand 14:25:41 for good reason, really 14:25:47 gammafunk: looks like 7-11 is too late 14:25:50 I only saw it because of Ashenzari 14:25:58 fire elemental isn't actually that threatening by then 14:26:07 seems like 14:26:50 I think some version of the 4-7 - either guarding the Temple or just a couple of altars - would work better 14:27:13 qaz and dith? 14:27:26 I was figuring random altars but you could do specific ones, I suppose 14:28:21 make qaz's section pristine and shiny while dith's is wrecked 14:28:50 it's not that large a vault..... 14:29:13 http://pastebin.com/228nPNSr anyway, something like this, maybe 14:29:44 heh, got dithmenos in one... 14:30:40 haha, mimic shop in a bazaar... 14:30:43 Qaz and Makhleb 14:30:52 after all Makhleb's altar is burning 14:30:57 does yred count 14:31:05 pf_overflow_fires_of_destruction 14:31:13 ! 14:31:31 Does the description for fire elementals mention they can't go over water 14:31:57 it probably should regardless 14:32:01 lemme see 14:32:06 nope, doesn't 14:32:32 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:15 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:19 http://pastebin.com/wTPttiuW something along these lines, then 14:37:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:23 PleasingFungus: place something that will mess up a Be please 14:39:39 hm 14:39:45 !lg be d:3 14:39:45 No games for be (d:3). 14:39:46 erp 14:39:49 !lg * be d:3 14:39:51 I'd like to hear tabstorm complaining about getting that 14:39:51 45964. rwhughston the Chopper (L5 MiBe of Trog), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:3 on 2015-03-21 19:34:35, with 140 points after 1649 turns and 0:06:43. 14:40:05 well, a be would have no reason to enter an overflow vault 14:40:15 orc priest with hellfire is the answer 14:40:19 :P 14:40:24 PleasingFungus: speedrunners have to find makky 14:40:27 is why I said that 14:40:29 (and I'm not serious) 14:40:39 Actually, you're very serious. 14:40:42 I've decided that, and now it's true. 14:40:48 ok, I would be glad if you actually did it, yes 14:41:36 sadly they can just peek in and then leave 14:41:41 update: d:3 zerker can tear right through a fire elemental 14:41:45 @??fire elemental 14:41:46 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 23-42 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 194 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 14:41:47 yeah 14:41:53 dece xp 14:42:00 hrm 14:42:03 @??orc_priest 14:42:04 orc priest (03o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 41 | Sp: pain (d8) [11!AM], cantrip [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], heal other (2d1) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:42:10 er yeah 14:42:12 not much a d:3 zerker can't tear through, ofc 14:42:14 @??pikel 14:42:14 Pikel (02K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 9 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 651 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:42:25 ok, 1/3 pikel, not a big deal 14:42:39 about 2/3rds of a grinder, I think 14:42:54 or two orc warriors (warios?) 14:42:55 that's pretty reasonable though 14:43:22 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Quit: :wqa[ll]!] 14:43:33 prediction: huge killcount due to people fighting in shallow water 14:43:52 also, due to being early 14:43:56 !killratio robin * t 14:43:59 robin wins 16.69% of battles against * (t). 14:44:02 dang 14:44:04 *deng 14:46:08 TSO thinks a petrifying monster is "helpless." 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9567 by Xentronium 14:47:00 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:49:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:02 -!- minmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:58:52 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:53 The build has errored. (master - f94917f #2012 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/55310447 14:58:53 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:00:45 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:46 Xom thinks a petrifying monster is "hilarious." 15:01:42 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:02:25 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:19 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:10:10 -!- Hosg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:12:28 Grunt: that is not true 15:12:53 Grunt: I know this because of the game several tourneys ago when I worshipped 5 or 6 gods in one game to work towards that banner 15:14:29 elliptic: the tourney points don't reflect it, at least 15:14:51 the "champion" points 15:15:49 Grunt: the "champion" points say "without having worshipped any other god first that game" in the rules 15:16:01 maybe I don't understand what you are saying 15:16:18 mm 15:16:21 or maybe I am just confused 15:17:28 (it's irrelevant now in any case, as gw managed to get 6* in the relevant god on its own anyway) 15:17:30 !send Grunt more confusio 15:17:31 Sending more confusio to Grunt. 15:17:32 n 15:17:34 http://puu.sh/gJOLC/a4e179cf1b.png :D 15:17:37 !send PleasingFungus ambrosia 15:17:37 Sending ambrosia to PleasingFungus. 15:17:49 simply divine... 15:17:54 CanOfWorms: piggin out 15:18:03 Grunt: basically things that give actual tourney points require that it be your first god that game 15:18:20 oh, it's the yred vault with corrupted holy beings 15:18:21 Grunt: and things that do not give tourney points (this means the Ely banner) do not require this 15:20:35 yo dem pigs look onrey 15:24:43 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 15:25:29 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:49 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:48 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:05 -!- johnf_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:21 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 15:43:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:43:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:17 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:50 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:54:47 hmm 15:54:58 if sojobo kills himself in a cloud of flame I don't get awarded his kill, do I 15:55:00 :( 15:55:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:11 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:59 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 16:03:24 We talked about this here is I plopped it in Tavern and no reaction there. IDR if any of the actual devs were involved in the original talk. [Demons and rPois] 16:04:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: I'm not here right now.] 16:04:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: welp cya] 16:08:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:45 -!- nikheizen has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:56 just a general FYI to the devs: halflings are so boring and unfun to play 16:11:27 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:12:04 twelwe: just a general FYI: DC:PT is so boring and unfun to play 16:12:49 you don`t even have beta access. only four people do. you know what lets see what you say come april. all you unbelievers are gonna foul outta the game of life 16:13:00 * Bcadren still thinks Ha and Ko should be consolidated. 16:13:00 * Sequell also still thinks Ha and Ko should be consolidated. 16:14:11 They are even less different that when I suggested that too. [Now that Saprovore I has been removed.] 16:15:43 you might not believe this but probably no one remembers what you suggested about halflings whenever it was you suggested `that` 16:16:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:27 are they now just: little rMut people 16:16:51 isn't everybody, when you think about it 16:17:07 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 16:17:14 becaus saprovore was so important 16:17:41 It was just that Kobold and Halfling don't play differently enough to be too different races. 16:18:00 good pun 16:18:34 oh yeah that. everyone remembers when you said that, i stand corrected 16:18:53 oddly enough they are both in the game still 16:22:46 weird, right 16:22:46 hi marvin 16:24:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 16:28:04 !lm . hesu br.enter=pan 16:28:05 18. [2015-03-06 01:30:27] gammafunk the Convoker (L17 HESu of Sif Muna) entered Pandemonium on turn 22297. (Depths:2) 16:28:11 !lm . hesu br.enter=pan x=avg(maxhp) 16:28:11 Cannot apply to [maxhp] 16:28:15 !lm . hesu br.enter=pan x=avg(hp) 16:28:16 18 milestones for gammafunk (hesu br.enter=pan): avg(hp)=113.78 16:29:05 fr: make portal entrances the last thing announced on level entry, behind `you see three orcs and nine dumb idiots and one acid fucker` 16:29:12 http://puu.sh/gJUzr/ccdb69a31e.png wow! 16:29:21 maybe even behind `you see a staircase leading up here` 16:29:53 CanOfWorms: a rare sighting 16:30:04 I'm going to kill him for the tourney points 16:30:10 live hubris 16:30:11 tragic 16:30:38 well, the good news is I have the autumn katana 16:30:43 so it's just paralysis that can kill me 16:31:49 awww yeah 16:32:08 You kill Dissolution! Zin accepts your kill. 16:32:15 neat 16:32:25 you did it 16:32:37 you monster 16:32:37 now to never do it again 16:32:41 way to kill that slime that didn't hurt nobody 16:32:44 con-general-gratzulations 16:35:26 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:26 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:46 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:07 -!- xnavy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:43:21 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:30 sanka (L13 MuWn) ASSERT(!cell_is_solid(ctarget)) in 'cloud.cc' at line 742 failed. (Volcano) 16:45:12 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 16:47:35 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 16:54:19 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58:51 elliptic: In playing around with your set skill code, I see this problem you mention where another UI action is needed after crawl.sendkeys('m') before the prompt happens 16:59:06 it seems that it doesn't occurr at game start, somehow there's an extra call to ready() 16:59:38 but if ready() is called after each input is processed, before the next input is read, I'm not sure why it's happening 17:00:02 perhaps crawl.sendkeys() doesn't trigger a subsequent ready() call? 17:00:32 elliptic: oh, could do something like crawl.sendkeys('m_') as a workaround, I guess 17:00:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:47 maybe that wouldn't work either... 17:01:06 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/wormsofcan/wormsofcan.txt 17:01:09 I think it might only happen if the last player action was tab, not sure 17:01:13 I knew deep down, I was always meant to be a vinestalker. 17:01:27 elliptic: no, since I used x k 17:01:31 to kill a monster and gain levels 17:01:38 gammafunk: oh I wouldn't expect it to work then 17:01:43 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:01:43 since that doesn't use a turn or anything 17:01:56 like a lot of stuff doesn't work right if you do that 17:01:59 elliptic: well ready isn't about turns is it? it's about ui inputs 17:02:30 I use ready to change tile with each input and just hitting space triggers a tile change 17:02:51 it isn't about turns, but using x k is still weird 17:03:09 maybe so, yeah 17:03:20 like in normal play you don't need an extra action usually 17:03:35 so if the problem is happening 100% of the time with x k then clearly it is different 17:03:55 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:04:24 anyway I haven't yet investigated this in depth so I don't know for sure what is happening 17:13:20 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:14:03 -!- brain has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:06 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:07 -!- thrig has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:34 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:41 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:18:39 -!- Kolbur1 is now known as Kolbur 17:20:03 elliptic: do you bind set_new_skill_training to m or another key? 17:20:35 if so, it's an issue there as well 17:21:09 &rc elliptic 17:21:10 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.16/elliptic.rc 17:21:11 I guess m would be a poor choice, since you might like to just look at skills 17:21:28 I don't bind that 17:21:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:56 I bind set_target_skill to a different key (I use enter at the moment) 17:22:15 and then after looking at skills (and maybe changing things) I press that key if I want to change my training 17:22:55 makes sense 17:24:30 oh right, I'm remembering some other untested theory I had about when this happens 17:25:07 which is that it has to do with what key you use to exit the skill screen 17:25:17 space vs esc or something like that 17:25:40 -!- coffee` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:42 oh 17:25:51 (not currently somewhere where I can test things for myself) 17:25:56 CanOfWorms: if you'd like to make a ~*~*~*~SpOoKy~*~*~*~ tile, consider making one for murray! 17:26:09 maybe 17:26:21 I'm taking a break from tiles for the tournament and a side project 17:26:40 murray seems like a good candidate for just removing since regular curse skulls move now... 17:27:04 could make murray special by making him not move... 17:27:39 on a side note, tar can have loot in those isolated rooms right? 17:27:48 (I thought murray was fairly pointless even before regular curse skulls were changed to move) 17:28:23 being a monkey island reference is pointless? :'( 17:30:55 elliptic: for normal action (killing with movement keys), space vs esc makes no difference, it always triggers all of the message, skill menu,, and skill prompt 17:31:00 let me try tab though 17:31:17 good thing we have the axe of woe 17:32:10 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:51 elliptic: yeah makes no difference (esc vs. space) when using tab either 17:33:03 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:19 so we don't know how to trigger this bug, I guess 17:33:20 gammafunk: ah, and is there a difference between tab and non-tab? 17:33:22 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:29 elliptic: no 17:33:42 oh 17:33:45 basically I can't trigger the bug outside of something like x k 17:33:49 yay non-reproduceable :/ 17:33:57 but it triggers consistently for xk? 17:34:01 yes every time 17:34:10 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:34:34 well that's something... I don't fully understand why xk would fail so one could try to figure that out 17:34:54 it does fail reasonable frequently in normal play for me, maybe 20% of the time or some such 17:35:07 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 17:35:40 elliptic: for you, what happens is you perform some action that increases your skill, yet the dialog doesn't trigger until after your next input? 17:36:27 gammafunk: what happens is that the "bring up the m screen" part works immediately, but then when I leave the m screen it waits for an input 17:36:38 hm, could have something to do with --more-- maybe 17:37:59 !lm gw rune 17:37:59 2. [2015-03-21 22:35:55] gw the Severer (L16 DDGl of Yredelemnul) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 28380. (Swamp:5) 17:38:02 \o/ 17:38:09 !lg gw ddgl 17:38:10 310. gw the Cleaver (L11 DDGl of Yredelemnul), mangled by an ice devil in IceCv (ice_cave_small_demon) on 2015-03-21 19:26:31, with 11132 points after 10807 turns and 0:17:00. 17:38:10 though I think I have to clear --more-- before getting the m screen anyway 17:38:13 so maybe not 17:38:20 !lm gw rune 17:38:21 2. [2015-03-21 22:35:55] gw the Severer (L16 DDGl of Yredelemnul) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 28380. (Swamp:5) 17:38:23 !lm gw rune -game 17:38:24 gw, XL16 DDGl, T:28380 (milestone) has no matching game 17:38:32 !lm gw rune alive 17:38:33 1. [2015-03-21 22:35:55] gw the Severer (L16 DDGl of Yredelemnul) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 28380. (Swamp:5) 17:38:42 wonder how long gw has left... 17:38:52 !lm gw rune x=dur 17:38:52 2. [2015-03-21 22:35:55] [dur=0:54:10] gw the Severer (L16 DDGl of Yredelemnul) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 28380. (Swamp:5) 17:39:05 wow, kind of slow for a bot? 17:39:41 it's very throttled 17:40:08 Leave message: y 17:40:09 also a lot of its handling isn't very efficient atm 17:40:11 nice, gammafunk 17:40:25 I predict lots of me leaving messages of 'y' to myself 17:43:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:44 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:51:59 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:08 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 18:01:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:53 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:28 now all I need is a thing to prompt me when I can memorize a spell 18:14:58 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:31 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 18:16:53 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 18:17:26 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:17:30 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 18:17:45 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:17:51 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 18:21:58 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:23:55 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:24:00 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:02 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:18 -!- reaverb has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:28:21 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 18:28:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:07 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 18:33:01 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:36:03 hm 18:36:13 how big is the draining HD "reduction"? 18:36:41 -!- jspengler has quit [Client Quit] 18:37:07 how big are the "scare quotes" 18:37:33 If it's similar to using malmutate on a foe (likely) -10% of total; to a minimum of -50% with repeated use. But somehow I doubt it's that strong. 18:37:33 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-121-gf94917f (34) 18:37:43 "very" big 18:37:54 almost entirely big 18:39:42 ??draining 18:39:42 draining[1/1]: see {draining brand} or {drain status} 18:39:51 ??draining brand 18:39:51 draining brand[1/2]: 1/2 chance of doing an additional (dam/4 + 3) damage (on average) and applying a debuff similar to a HD reduction which is stackable, refreshable, and lasts 20-30 turns. Checks rN and only works against natural enemies. Disliked by good gods. 18:40:17 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:23 Hmm, surprised it doesn't just /say/ how much HD it's equivalent to. 18:41:02 if it did i wouldn't be asking :^) 18:42:40 if I'm reading this right 18:42:51 it's draining it 1hd per drain 18:43:26 but then again the degree decays over duration 18:49:31 and if I'm reading this right the degree decays pretty rapidly 18:49:47 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:08 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-122-g8b90e73: Don't surround a bazaar enterance with deep water (Retrospecter) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b90e73ef6ee 18:52:08 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-123-gf2c12c4: Remove magic contamination from Finesse. 10(30 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2c12c4f5156 18:54:14 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:13 -!- pere_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:03:20 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:24 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:46 -!- Guest97687 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:08:31 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:50 could the stoneskin/statue form synergy change the duration of stoneskin to the current duration of statue form 19:08:59 (same for ozo's armor and ice form) 19:09:08 recasting them gets really silly 19:09:46 -!- maha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:13:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13:51 should having a pain weapon let you train necro? 19:14:45 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:15:56 i thoguht that was already how it was 19:17:13 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17:36 apprently not 19:20:23 lm lootfeel t 19:20:27 !lm lootfeel t 19:20:28 1042. [2015-03-22 00:15:44] gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna) entered the Shoals on turn 7462. (Lair:6) 19:20:56 another glorious lootfeel victory, sadly the L:6 S branch, hopefully we get fast shoals 19:21:06 gammafunk, ever thought about trying your hand at a DD speedrun? 19:21:09 seems like all the rage 19:21:15 n1k: have you?! 19:21:28 my 7th win or so was a 3 rune DDBe speedrun 19:21:30 I want to do the MiBe, my 3rd was like 22k in pan 19:21:39 was pretty fast back then...but slow now 19:21:40 no I mean a score speedrun 19:21:49 I think I will pretty soon 19:21:56 you know, to die in pan, like tabstorm 19:21:58 !lg tabstorm 19:21:59 931. Tabstorm the Executioner (L27 HuBe of The Shining One), mangled by an Ice Fiend in Pandemonium on 2015-03-21 04:53:59, with 786510 points after 26196 turns and 3:56:21. 19:22:02 !lg tabstorm -2 19:22:02 930/931. tabstorm the Executioner (L24 FoFi of Makhleb), blasted by Lom Lobon (great icy blast) in Pandemonium (lom_lobon) on 2015-03-21 02:47:21, with 505339 points after 25655 turns and 2:58:28. 19:22:04 DDBe seems pretty fun 19:22:13 has anyone made a parody of the lyrics to "uptown funk" and made them "gammafunk", if not, pretend i did that 19:22:18 !lg talismasher xl>20 19:22:19 19. TALISMASHER the Executioner (L27 DDBe of Makhleb), slain by the Serpent of Hell on Coc:7 (coc_grunt) on 2015-03-21 00:27:53, with 908888 points after 24813 turns and 2:10:43. 19:22:32 n1k: did you notice how the DDBe got beaten? 19:22:41 I'm not terribly surprised 19:22:41 that one? 19:22:41 yes 19:22:44 yeah I saw it 19:23:02 apparently SoH is not to be messed with! 19:23:18 oh yeah, rip 19:23:33 hrm, not sure if that could have beaten jeanjacques 19:23:39 !hs * ddbe t 19:23:40 120. jeanjacques the Executioner (L27 DDBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-20 17:36:42, with 48767900 points after 29722 turns and 4:33:49. 19:23:45 oh yeah could have prolly 19:23:46 I think he was on pace to beat it 19:23:53 !lg talismasher xl>20 x=gid 19:23:54 19. [game_key=TALISMASHER:cszo:20150220215613S] TALISMASHER the Executioner (L27 DDBe of Makhleb), slain by the Serpent of Hell on Coc:7 (coc_grunt) on 2015-03-21 00:27:53, with 908888 points after 24813 turns and 2:10:43. 19:23:56 he might be on pace to beat it as we speak 19:24:05 the mystery speedrunner 19:24:29 !lm * gid=TALISMASHER:cszo:20150220215613S rune s=turns,noun o=-turns 19:24:30 13 milestones for * (gid=TALISMASHER:cszo:20150220215613S rune): 8951 (barnacled), 10501 (serpentine), 11070 (slimy), 13243 (silver), 17768 (demonic), 18264 (dark), 19059 (fiery), 19694 (glowing), 19900 (magical), 20970 (abyssal), 22602 (bone), 23613 (iron), 24349 (obsidian) 19:25:37 yeah he was on track for about 27 19:26:10 !lm talismasher alive rune s=turns,noun o=-turns 19:26:11 14 milestones for talismasher (alive rune): 8688 (serpentine), 9922 (decaying), 10922 (slimy), 13727 (silver), 16444 (glowing), 17720 (dark), 17953 (magical), 18995 (demonic), 19305 (fiery), 20013 (abyssal), 43347 (serpentine), 53595 (gossamer), 61645 (decaying), 68274 (silver) 19:26:23 !lm talismasher ddbe alive rune s=turns,noun o=-turns 19:26:24 10 milestones for talismasher (ddbe alive rune): 8688 (serpentine), 9922 (decaying), 10922 (slimy), 13727 (silver), 16444 (glowing), 17720 (dark), 17953 (magical), 18995 (demonic), 19305 (fiery), 20013 (abyssal) 19:28:40 !lm * t rune urune=10 turns<19000 alive s=gid,char 19:28:41 No milestones for * (t rune urune=10 turns<19000 alive). 19:29:01 !lm * t rune urune=10 turns<21000 alive s=gid,char 19:29:02 One milestone for * (t rune urune=10 turns<21000 alive): TALISMASHER:cszo:20150221220910S (DDBe) 19:29:17 !lm * t rune urune=10 turns<25000 alive s=gid,char 19:29:18 One milestone for * (t rune urune=10 turns<25000 alive): TALISMASHER:cszo:20150221220910S (DDBe) 19:29:23 !lm * t rune urune=10 turns<30000 alive s=gid,char 19:29:24 One milestone for * (t rune urune=10 turns<30000 alive): TALISMASHER:cszo:20150221220910S (DDBe) 19:30:10 !lm * t rune urune>=10 turns<30000 alive s=gid,char 19:30:11 2 milestones for * (t rune urune>=10 turns<30000 alive): 2x TALISMASHER:cszo:20150221220910S (2x DDBe) 19:30:21 well he's the only one close and alive atm 19:30:55 my current elf is not a terrible one, "faith, good food, good scrolls, and pots, shadow creatures, we're just a bit behind, yet we have shoals 19:31:52 is shoals good? 19:32:14 I would assume not but speedruns are weird 19:32:17 shoals is faster than swamp, with a branch end that can be wicked fast, which swamp never can be, just lots of nasty ranged 19:32:26 I see 19:32:52 doesn't require rpois either. tbh they up being pretty similar for me 19:33:46 !lm . hesu br.enter=swamp / lg:br!=swamp 19:33:47 17/57 milestones for gammafunk (hesu br.enter=swamp): N=17/57 (29.82%) 19:34:00 !lm . hesu br.enter=shoals / lg:br!=shoals 19:34:01 13/46 milestones for gammafunk (hesu br.enter=shoals): N=13/46 (28.26%) 19:34:06 yep 19:34:33 !lm . hesu br.enter=shoals / lg:place=shoals:5 19:34:34 12/46 milestones for gammafunk (hesu br.enter=shoals): N=12/46 (26.09%) 19:34:47 !lm . hesu br.enter=swamp / lg:place=swamp:5 19:34:48 16/57 milestones for gammafunk (hesu br.enter=swamp): N=16/57 (28.07%) 19:35:24 cool how close those are 19:35:26 swamp:5 does feel a bit worse because of dealing with the D storm and druids 19:36:06 yeah pretty much 0 other people do summoner speedruns, and very few even do conj, it's almost all melee 19:36:23 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:36:23 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:47 for melee it seems your 1st and 3rd runes are the most critical in the game, for me it's 1st and 2nd 19:37:16 do you do slime third? 19:37:32 4th, after P, which is after V 19:37:37 P being poison 19:38:13 I like that route 19:38:14 I think DeSu (which could get a <30k) I would do same, but I've not really done it 19:38:32 vaults XP can make the 3rd and 4th runes a lot faster 19:39:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:08 I think I do it because my char is not really strong enough to do slime after 2nd lair, which is not the case for melee 19:40:24 he's at 14 runes in 22.8... 19:40:29 -!- CacoSS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:40:32 really fast hells 19:40:35 I'll likely still just have menag + shadow c by end of second lair, which won't work in slime 19:40:40 dang 19:41:11 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:41:15 !lm talishmasher ddbe rune s=turns,noun o=-turns 19:41:16 No milestones for talishmasher (ddbe rune). 19:41:25 !lm talismasher ddbe rune s=turns,noun o=-turns 19:41:26 62 milestones for talismasher (ddbe rune): 6978 (barnacled), 7744 (serpentine), 8149 (serpentine), 8688 (serpentine), 8709 (slimy), 8922 (gossamer), 8951 (barnacled), 9226 (gossamer), 9714 (barnacled), 9869 (decaying), 9922 (decaying), 10501 (serpentine), 10723 (barnacled), 10737 (slimy), 10807 (slimy), 10922 (slimy), 10967 (silver), 11070 (slimy), 12986 (silver), 13243 (silver), 13727 (silver), 1... 19:41:31 !lm talismasher ddbe rune alive s=turns,noun o=-turns 19:41:32 14 milestones for talismasher (ddbe rune alive): 8688 (serpentine), 9922 (decaying), 10922 (slimy), 13727 (silver), 16444 (glowing), 17720 (dark), 17953 (magical), 18995 (demonic), 19305 (fiery), 20013 (abyssal), 20865 (iron), 21907 (obsidian), 22490 (bone), 22826 (icy) 19:41:57 26-27k if tomb goes right... 19:42:02 he shafted onto anataeus 19:42:13 literally in front of him in the small room with the rune 19:42:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:43 uh oh. one of my vaults spawned in my V:5 game! :) 19:42:47 gammafunk: x ctrl-k is buggy in other ways, or at least it doesn't properly reset the cursor (maybe |amethyst knows more...) 19:42:47 wheals: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:42:50 !messages 19:42:50 (1/4) gammafunk said (23h 5m 44s ago): Finally our team has a single victory gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Swamp:3 on 2015-03-21 01:32:34, with 11438 points after 7260 turns and 0:51:40. 19:42:51 johnstein: rip 19:42:53 !messages 19:42:54 (1/3) gammafunk said (23h 5m 15s ago): it ended basically because I tried to fight a ghost crab so thanks 19:43:06 gammafunk: my opsu swamp death was basically because of a ghost crab 19:43:08 !messages 19:43:09 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (23h 3m 23s ago): blurry vision is interruptible. 19:43:10 !messages 19:43:11 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (23h 2m 40s ago): also ya, the spell tile code is especially bad (tho idk that any tiles code is really good...) 19:43:25 Grunt: did you see your handywork and the new nemesis you've made? 19:43:31 !lg tabstorm -2 19:43:32 930/931. tabstorm the Executioner (L24 FoFi of Makhleb), blasted by Lom Lobon (great icy blast) in Pandemonium (lom_lobon) on 2015-03-21 02:47:21, with 505339 points after 25655 turns and 2:58:28. 19:43:41 landed two tiles away from lom as an fo 19:43:48 rip 19:43:58 he had a promising hube as well 19:44:06 and proceeded to complain about lom and pan lord pursuit to me for the next 30 min 19:44:13 lom lebron with the dunks 19:44:17 I made vague promises 19:44:50 if you didn't want the pan lords to chase you down like an animal maybe you shouldn't go taking their stuff 19:44:50 the reason so few people do summoner/conjurer speedruns is because it is so soulcrushing 19:44:52 I do wonder if independent 25% each pan lord is a bit much 19:45:07 maybe 25% for one only 19:45:48 gammafunk: ahahahahaha 19:46:02 he tried to portal g. away 19:46:04 didn't quite work 19:46:08 almost did though! 19:46:10 !lg tabstorm fofi -tv 19:46:12 4. tabstorm, XL24 FoFi, T:25655 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:47:32 -!- Cac has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:32 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:47:41 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:49:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:49:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:51 !lm talismasher x=turn 19:50:52 3769. [2015-03-22 00:50:17] [turn=24410] TALISMASHER the Executioner (L27 DDBe of The Shining One) left the Tomb of the Ancients on turn 24410. (Tomb:1) 19:51:04 looks like the one 19:51:26 i don't really feel like running a ddbe but it's all the rage now 19:52:11 is there a way to get the milestone stream easily? my clan (and now a second clan from the same group) would like to stream only our milestones into another chanel 19:52:18 i run realtime speedruns when i am tired and frustrated of turncount runs 19:52:32 you might also notice that i have far more success with those 19:53:01 what with the whole 19:53:13 !lg * won !@bot min=dur -2 19:53:18 27630/27631. BLOAX the Slayer (L22 MiMo of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-15 21:10:50, with 2659870 points after 28745 turns and 1:06:24. 19:53:19 !lg * won urune=15 !@bot min=dur -2 19:53:20 5862/5863. BLOAX the Minotaur Aeon (L27 MiFE of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-21 22:26:40, with 28255753 points after 52731 turns and 2:46:07. 19:53:21 thing 19:53:43 now I have 5 stackable sources of regen 19:53:52 armour, hat, gloves, boots and amulet 19:53:53 jeez 19:53:57 sounds fun 19:54:11 but is your character tanky enough to use it well??? 19:54:14 whew, survived my vault. that would have been embarassing 19:54:15 sadly the boots are -4 and the armour is -5 int so I can't wear those 19:54:25 !lg grunt map~~grunt* 19:54:27 6. SGrunt the Hawkeye (L26 OgHu of Cheibriados), killed by an indirect mummy death curse on Tomb:1 (tomb_1; tomb_1_centre_grunt_parallel) on 2014-05-03 15:09:04, with 552224 points after 78030 turns and 4:11:01. 19:54:32 clearly just swap to chei and put them on 19:54:40 no, I like my zin :( 19:54:59 recite is kind of amazing 19:55:12 zin is for cheap extended rune ninjaing and not getting mutated to shit 19:55:23 yeah 19:55:28 chei is for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSgpU70MZno 19:55:45 I'm still going to try and murder the pan and hell lords for the points 19:55:59 already got eresh and asmo down 19:56:06 might do dis net 19:56:08 *next 19:57:42 n1k: monsters only trigger zot traps against you 1/5th of the time 19:58:11 so i think i'll just resolve the bug as not a bug, unless there's been extensive boulder testing done 19:58:44 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59:09 wheals, oh I did not know that 19:59:13 !lm talismasher 19:59:13 sorry for the mis-report 19:59:14 3774. [2015-03-22 00:58:09] TALISMASHER the Acrobat (L27 DDBe of The Shining One) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 19:59:19 !lm talismasher x=turns 19:59:20 3774. [2015-03-22 00:58:09] [turn=25645] TALISMASHER the Acrobat (L27 DDBe of The Shining One) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 19:59:26 we won't sic the rng on you... this time 19:59:35 please do not banish me 20:00:36 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:11 you have to pick someone to be banished in your place 20:03:29 !banish n1k 20:03:30 gammafunk casts a spell. n1k is cast into the Abyss! 20:03:42 !lg * t max=score 20:03:43 47253. TALISMASHER the Acrobat (L27 DDBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-22 01:02:56, with 54837871 points after 26353 turns and 2:37:50. 20:03:45 he did it 20:03:56 impressive stuff 20:04:04 damn, gammafunk 20:04:05 new moon record! 20:04:52 !hs * -3 20:04:54 well certainly that's impressive 20:04:54 4104401/4104403. Sapher the Demonologist (L25 DEWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-23 13:43:10, with 57282634 points after 25058 turns and 22:29:01. 20:05:01 in the top 10? 20:05:04 doesn't count for shit in the tournament though 20:05:04 !hs * -5 20:05:06 !hs * -6 20:05:06 4104399/4104403. PurpleRed the Slayer (L27 VSGl of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-15 12:00:10, with 55396974 points after 26025 turns and 10:15:08. 20:05:07 4104398/4104403. TALISMASHER the Acrobat (L27 DDBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-22 01:02:56, with 54837871 points after 26353 turns and 2:37:50. 20:05:09 number 6 20:05:10 cool 20:05:20 best DD 20:05:50 when do we learn that talismasher is zermako 20:09:23 when pigs fly 20:09:28 @??holy swine 20:09:28 holy swine (08h) | Spd: 14 | HD: 11 | HP: 46-76 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 2008(holy) | 08holy, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 830 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 20:09:32 oh shit 20:09:33 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:09:59 owned 20:16:32 so 20:16:32 uh 20:16:32 i think people might want to look at this 20:16:32 http://sprunge.us/HPhU 20:16:32 what does average time mean, time to win? 20:16:32 -!- runewalsh has quit [Client Quit] 20:16:32 wow 20:16:32 if so, odd that both have the same values 20:16:32 aut*10 of attack speed i think 20:16:32 (delay formula didn't change) 20:16:32 n1k: i know, right 20:16:32 good 20:16:32 this might explain the >4% win rate... 20:16:32 ah, I see 20:16:32 i *felt* like i was doing more damage 20:16:32 yes 20:16:32 oh my 20:16:32 is that for all weapons 20:16:32 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:16:32 i don't know, i just tried it with these 20:16:32 maybe it's slaying, maybe it's brands, maybe it's anything 20:16:32 maybe also ask elliptic since he seems to find a lot of errors in people's fsims 20:16:32 wow nice 20:16:32 it looks very nearly like it's exactly double 20:16:32 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:17:48 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:48 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 20:17:48 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 20:18:10 %git bisect 20:18:10 Could not find commit bisect (git returned 128) 20:18:12 fr 20:18:36 oh 20:18:40 ??is_cdo_down 20:18:42 is cdo down[1/1]: 6 minutes, 29 seconds since last activity (cdo) 20:19:04 poor cdo 20:19:10 what's happening with cdo? hosting transition? 20:19:36 * wheals has a horrible feeling this is all his fault 20:20:06 * n1k sics the rng on wheals 20:20:18 !blame wheals 20:20:18 I pronounce wheals... Guilty! 20:20:23 rip 20:26:13 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:32:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:32:41 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:32:41 !tell Grunt The orb of destruction hits Vashnia. You blow up Vashnia! // lamia'd 20:32:41 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 20:32:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:25 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:01 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:40:45 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:40:45 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:45 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:40:46 mm, i wonder what quad damage is like now that every character has double damage 20:40:46 well 20:40:47 octuple damage 20:40:47 ??lamia 20:40:47 lamia[1/2]: [Crawl development] will clip an Angel's Wings, / Conquer all mysteries by rule and line, / Empty the haunted air, and gnomed mine-- / Unweave a rainbow as it erewhile made / The tender-person'd Lamia melt into a shade. 20:40:47 wheals: Every character has double damage(?) 20:40:47 http://sprunge.us/HPhU 20:40:47 wheals: at some point str and dex or something like that was adjusted to give more damage 20:40:47 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:40:47 * Bcadren is confused. Bcadren hurts himself in confusion. 20:40:47 i think that was before 0.15 20:40:47 though it feels like that was yes 20:40:53 i haven't done a git bisect yet though 20:41:01 ??epic bugs[octopode 20:41:02 hoping to find someone less lazy / with a faster computer :P 20:41:04 octopode[2/5]: For four days in 2012, octopodes had eight times the normal squeeze damage (96 instead of 12), allowing them to one-shot greater mummies (among others) with ease. Introduced, and then ruined, by |amethyst; rest in peace. 20:41:20 wheals: Wow, so it's been like that a while and nobody noticed? Hmm. 20:41:30 someone should go oneshot some gmummies :P 20:41:54 people noticed the high 0.16 winrate so far, and many people have said "it feels like i'm doing more damage" 20:41:54 I guess that explains the higher winrate of the 0.16 tourney. 20:41:56 i did oneshot it with minotaurs aux attack 20:41:56 wheals: did you see the dark maul adventures? 20:42:19 i mean usual attack plus aux 20:43:14 ??gmos[$ 20:43:15 greatermummyoneshotters[4/4]: !lm loguno 88 -tv:T134656 20:43:24 recs or it didn't happen :P 20:43:53 well i thought it doesn't count with aux 20:44:12 wheals: what about dispateroneshotters 20:44:31 ??dispateroneshotters 20:44:31 I don't have a page labeled dispateroneshotters in my learndb. 20:44:36 got my hopes up 20:45:09 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:37 i feel kind of bad playing crawl knowing this exists :< 20:48:49 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:49 though maybe it applies to monsters as well?? 20:48:49 That doesn't explain the extra winrate >_> 20:48:49 !lm gw god.maxpiety t 20:48:49 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:48:49 27. [2015-03-22 01:46:26] gw the Severer (L12 HOFi of Beogh) became the Champion of Beogh on turn 17295. (Orc:3) 20:48:49 i don't know, it still could 20:48:49 !lm gw god.maxpiety t x=cdist(noun) 20:48:49 27 milestones for gw (god.maxpiety t): cdist(noun)=13 20:48:49 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:48:49 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:49 Grunt: Uh, might want to read the logs :D 20:48:49 -!- grisha5 has quit [Client Quit] 20:50:54 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:23 good thing I parked those MuCKs after all 20:52:02 i can't believe this slipped past all of our regression and unit tests 20:52:38 it's finally happened 20:52:43 someone ruined crawl forever 20:52:54 nah, that happens all the time 20:53:07 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:53:40 wheals: Well, as they say, the tourney is for finding bugs before release :D 20:56:54 Or I think that was part of the original justification (??) 20:56:54 I remember now we had the Dith stealth bug around tourney time 6 months ago. 20:56:54 Obviously not as big as this one, but still kinda large. 20:56:54 %git e0bdd66d 20:56:54 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-22-ge0bdd66: Fix a crash with cleaving + infusion vs spectral weapons. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 14+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0bdd66d849c 20:56:58 hahaha 20:57:03 wheals? 20:57:12 that was what caused it? 20:57:17 I don't know! 20:57:24 oh 20:57:33 it looks suspicious though 20:57:38 It certainly looks like something that could cause it. 20:57:58 0.16's is 9590bb8 20:58:44 wheals: where's that log of yours 20:58:59 http://sprunge.us/HPhU 20:59:09 what weapon did your hufi start with 20:59:12 long blades or? 20:59:20 long blades, yeah 20:59:28 shouldn't have mattered though, i think 20:59:44 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:58 that is definitely the offending commit 21:00:07 |||aaammmeeettthhhyyysssttt 21:00:11 wow 21:00:41 |amethyst: e0bdd66 / 9590bb8 doubles attack damage 21:01:23 I see 21:01:27 !lg neil won t 21:01:27 1. neil the End of an Era (L27 HOCK of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-16 00:05:52, with 1719705 points after 66461 turns and 3:18:10. 21:01:32 it all makes sense 21:01:37 very clevel, neil 21:01:40 *clever 21:01:53 Found out why. 21:04:57 Calc_damage() uses damage_done to calculate damage. 21:04:57 genius 21:04:57 So by placing damage_done=hurt first, it altered the result. 21:04:57 sorry. 21:04:58 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:04:58 So do we just revert it? And then fix the crash later? (Should we revert after the tourney has started) 21:04:58 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:58 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:58 At least it's only been around a couple of weeks. 21:04:58 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:12 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:12 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 21:06:12 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 21:06:16 fr: rewrite crawl in haskell so this doesn't happen again 21:06:21 yeah 21:06:26 got what you mean now 21:06:40 Oh, yeah, I see that hmm. 21:06:49 well 21:06:52 that is a quandry 21:07:10 elliptic: so, we found out why the winrate is so high... 21:07:19 elliptic: there's a bug where the player always does double damage 21:07:23 i assume just s/damage_done += // should make every thing good and fine again? 21:07:35 elliptic: not sure what you think about fixing it mid-tournament 21:07:35 and in trunk we can refactor the mess 21:07:36 SMASH CUT TO: everything is worse 21:08:12 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:08:58 I feel fixing this mid-tourny is OK as long as we make sure the servers get the fix around the same time? 21:09:33 ??rebuild 21:09:34 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 21:09:39 cancel the tourney, expunge games from Sequell 21:13:05 * Grunt cancels wheals. 21:13:05 reaverb: we can't really esure this 21:13:05 the most ridiculous thing about this is that it didn't apply to monsters 21:13:05 haha, yeah 21:13:05 since that branch of calc_damage doesn't set damage_done 21:13:05 wheals: then we'd have noticed! 21:13:05 shame 21:13:05 tourney is half over. I'd just fix it right after so the tourney is consistent 21:13:05 this is why we need unit tests and such 21:13:05 and relies on the return value, not side effects 21:13:05 a simple test comparing damage to ..I'm not sure what 21:13:05 previous commit? a table? 21:13:05 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:13:05 is there a way to make autoexploring shoals not obnoxious for a mf 21:13:05 (either in existing rc options or a place to start a patch) 21:13:05 maybe it could not leave the sight of land? 21:13:25 i wonder what the wordpress comments will have to say about this, btw 21:15:42 well we may not make a wordpress announcement about it... 21:16:01 wheals: well i guess this explains !!!!!!! with dark maul 21:16:26 isn't the damage already done for the tourney? 21:16:45 we need a new tourney 21:16:55 also for high scores... 21:17:35 !hs * 21:17:37 4104674. Sapher the Genius of the Arcane (L26 NaWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-10-05 09:05:14, with 65369553 points after 21895 turns and 15:06:14. 21:17:46 !hs * dd 21:17:47 71224. TALISMASHER the Acrobat (L27 DDBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-22 01:02:56, with 54837871 points after 26353 turns and 2:37:50. 21:17:48 still can't beat da Saph! 21:18:04 I guess we should just fix this yeah 21:21:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:21:09 I'd like to hear from elliptic 21:21:09 doesn't help that cdo is down 21:21:09 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:09 but all players were in the same conditions, so it's kinda fair tourney 21:21:09 yeah 21:21:10 it's not great to leave it broken 21:21:10 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:12 gammafunk: hm I was wondering whether something like that might be the case, though I didn't expect it was that extreme 21:21:31 understatement of the year? :P 21:21:33 elliptic: should we just fix and try to get all servers update as fast as we can? 21:21:41 how did this get introduced? 21:21:51 %git e0bdd66d 21:21:51 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-22-ge0bdd66: Fix a crash with cleaving + infusion vs spectral weapons. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 14+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0bdd66d849c 21:21:52 half the damage for the rest of the tournament, so it evens out 21:21:52 Lasty: bugfix 21:21:53 the best reason I can think of to just leave it till the end of the tourney is so everyone playing is on the same level. some people can't play as much till the weekends or later etc. 21:22:00 %git 9590bb8 21:22:00 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-b1-18-g9590bb8: Fix a crash with cleaving + infusion vs spectral weapons. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 14+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9590bb8900ea 21:22:01 Lasty: a poorly designed function called calc_damage that calculates but also sets damage 21:22:09 that way you can at least bucket it cleanly 21:22:34 ie there's already cleanup required 21:22:38 gammafunk: I am a little worried about the bit where some server admins might be difficult to contact 21:22:42 yes 21:22:43 maybe if damage was explicit this would have been noticed... 21:22:46 we struggled with this 21:22:46 :v 21:22:57 hong is basically "if you see hong playing on cwz" 21:23:04 if you guys want my input since i am winning 21:23:07 i wouldnt feel good about it 21:23:10 if it was changed 21:23:15 and people couldnt catch up due to that 21:23:38 if it was closer to the end of the tourney, I would definitely say keep it as is and don't fix until immediately after tourney (and release 0.16.1 then) 21:23:50 that still might be fairest of course 21:23:57 seems consistent 21:23:58 i mean me and wboh got long streaks partially due to this 21:24:01 I think we can get to dplusplus ok 21:24:08 hong I'm a bit worried about 21:24:09 if people cant replicate that we have points that they shouldnt have 21:24:18 What about the high scores list? 21:24:20 it isn't just streaks really 21:24:27 poor gw 21:24:30 hm 21:24:33 does this affect UC 21:24:34 and you aren't the only one who feels guilty about the long streak :P 21:24:35 !streak 21:24:41 elliptic has 21 consecutive wins (TeCj, KoEE, VSEE, NaNe, DDFi, KoCj, OpMo, CeCK, DgEE, MiCK, HEAs, VSFi, CeAE, DrAr, OgNe, NaBe, HuAE, SpAM, OpFE, DDAs, FoSk), and can keep going! 21:24:42 Basil: Should. 21:24:45 hmm 21:24:58 elliptic: we also noted that |amethyst got his first win in years after introducing the bug... :P 21:24:59 haha 21:25:02 I thought the extra damage was from not wearing gloves 21:25:03 that patch came in on the 6th? 21:25:04 how often should the tourney pages be updating? 21:25:12 it was two weeks ago 21:25:22 wheals, |amethyst is TALISMASHER....figured it all out 21:25:27 !lg talismasher won turns<40000 1 21:25:28 1/3. TALISMASHER the Executioner (L27 DDBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-08 03:53:06, with 47468297 points after 30510 turns and 2:51:52. 21:25:29 gammafunk: has any dev stated yet that they think the bug should be fixed as soon as possible? 21:25:33 he knew about it 21:25:50 I think it is best that we wait until the end of the tournament 21:25:52 conspiracy 21:25:53 elliptic: I'm not even sure what everyone here has said 21:26:01 I guess if nobody feels that strongly about it then I would just say wait a week and then release 0.16.1 immediately on tourney end 21:26:09 Hmm, |amethyst's fix involved spectral weapons. I wonder if spectral weapons were doing double damage all this time -- it'd explain why the damage is so much higher than the stated intent is . . . 21:29:14 ha! i knew i was always right about spectral weapon! 21:29:14 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:29:14 but I'd certainly be willing to consider arguments why we should just fix it now 21:29:14 I'm not sure it affects sw 21:29:14 at the very least |amethyst should get the chance to look at the code and see what he intended to do and make it do that 21:29:14 I assume this damage bug only applies to melee? 21:29:14 gammafunk: is the bug just melee, and just simply doubling? 21:29:14 elliptic: I"m concerned about the high scores lists. TAILSMASHER used this bug to get the DD high score. 21:29:14 it is specifically melee, yes 21:29:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 21:29:14 so casters are getting shafted 21:29:14 wboh plays every char as melee 21:29:14 reaverb: meh, we've had very high scores coming from bugs before and talismasher's score is certainly beatable 21:29:14 clearly the correct course of action is to double spell damage too 21:29:14 yeah I don't think the score list is too big a concern 21:29:14 reaverb: and we will hopefully be migrating to aut scoring soon anyway 21:29:14 exciting 21:29:14 and to keep summoners strong, doubling monster damage as well 21:29:14 reaverb: well there have been even higher scores with fairly unbalanced brand new stuff in trunk (though this is quite severe, granted) 21:29:14 this would be a good excuse to make the aut move sooner rather than later 21:29:14 but do we thin reset the score list? 21:29:14 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:30:31 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:31 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 21:30:31 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 21:30:59 well I'm glad the tournament issues have been as exciting as the release issues! 21:31:05 Grunt: yeah, I'm starting them up again 21:31:05 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:31:06 0.16 is a Fun Release 21:31:09 elliptic: okay 21:31:16 man, brannock might be shocked to find out his greatminotaur achievement involved steroids 21:31:54 Lasty: tourney stats are already not going to be very useful even if we fix this asap, I think 21:32:14 Lasty: since a lot of games will be in progress and it's hard to compare half a tourney to past tourneys 21:32:37 gammafunk: how old is the bug? 21:32:47 elliptic: the 6th, two weeks 21:32:54 -!- rockit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:08 %git 9590bb8 21:33:08 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-b1-18-g9590bb8: Fix a crash with cleaving + infusion vs spectral weapons. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 14+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9590bb8900ea 21:33:12 elliptic: offending commit 21:33:41 okay, it only affects about half of my streak then, good to know that I'm still capable of a 10-streak without bugs :P 21:33:48 !lg . mu won start>=20150306 21:33:49 elliptic: I wasn't thinking stats; I was thinking that it would push people to play much more melee stuff, which might interfere with their enjoyment of the tourney 21:33:49 4. Basil the Sorcerer (L27 MuIE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-03-11 02:00:44, with 1687450 points after 142982 turns and 4:45:47. 21:37:19 Lasty: I think people will also enjoy getting to experience double damage :P but yeah, no solution here is going to be perfect 21:37:19 heh, touche 21:37:19 if we fix it, people will feel cheated that they didn't get to experience it properly 21:37:19 maybe this is precedent 21:37:19 my first 15-runer will forever be tainted by this bug 21:37:19 again, don't feel that strongly about it 21:37:19 possibly 21:37:19 for adding quad damage to normal crawl 21:37:19 I could just ascend early 21:37:19 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:37:19 and obviously no boost to spell damagetheres already a huge point advantage to the tourney in the first few days 21:37:19 oops 21:37:19 theres already a huge point advantage to the tourney in the first few days 21:37:19 as races/roles/gods spike before going down to sane levels 21:37:19 CanOfWorms: Just got my second win which make me yeah. Ugh, I just realased that my trunk char is also contaiminated <_< >_> 21:37:19 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:19 at one point kobold was worth 200+, 21:37:19 I only stabbed with my spen and used conj 21:37:19 so I'm pure as driven snow 21:37:19 reaverb: well, if you won before the 6th then it might not be! 21:37:19 so futher increasing the advantage people who play early has seems a bit rough 21:37:20 hm, let me try to understand this bug 21:37:36 elliptic: We /think/ we already know the cause. 21:37:59 I don't know if that's "I want to figure this out myself" or "I want to know what's causing this" 21:38:15 !function calc_damage 21:38:15 1/2. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l1412 21:38:23 it's really funny that calc_damage returns 0 for monsters and damage_done for players 21:38:37 yeah 21:38:40 we would have noticed this so fast if it returned damage_done for both 21:38:43 you can see where calc_damage is setting damage 21:38:59 and then neil's commit changed it to add the damage 21:40:01 doesn't affect monsters since their damage code in that function doesn't use that member variable 21:40:03 reaverb: just figuring out what it actually doubled 21:40:18 it looks like it didn't double brand damage for non-proportional brands like elec and pain 21:40:18 this explains why my dead GrEE seemed to be holding his own with just a whip 21:40:35 effectively "just" double base damage and weapon enchantment? 21:40:48 actually, is ranged combat rolled into that function too? 21:40:52 oh, not that good because it doubled post-AC damage 21:41:18 CanOfWorms: I don't think so, the damage_done+=calc_damage() is in melee_attack.cc specifically. 21:41:22 ah 21:41:27 calc_damage is shared with the ranged combat code though. 21:41:44 does this also affect ranged damage then? 21:41:59 skill, slaying, might, stabs, statue form 21:42:01 I'm pretty sure it's just melee. 21:42:05 clearly this was a ruse to get newbies interesting, making it easier 21:42:07 my understanding of the bug based on this discussion makes me understand the bug is just 21:45:24 yeah it's a crawlcode bug 21:45:24 the best part of the commit message: 21:45:24 "Also, for robustness, add an extra check" 21:45:24 melee_damage += calc_true_damage(melee_damage) instead of melee_damage = calc_true_damage(melee_damage) 21:45:24 the newbies in our group are having a really fun time, getting their first runes/wins/extended-runes/streaks. 21:45:24 gammafunk: how did we learn about this bug? 21:45:24 wheals 21:45:24 wheals did an fsim comparison 21:45:24 ah 21:45:24 wheals: you just did that test on a whim? 21:45:24 well, it was pretty obvious to everyone 21:45:24 IMO 21:45:24 well we didn't find it for two weeks! 21:45:24 nobody wanted to look for it 21:45:24 elliptic was streaking! 21:45:24 it's like an economic bubble 21:45:24 listen 21:45:24 everyone knows it's too good to be true 21:45:24 I was playing not melee chars 21:45:24 what if we just pretend this never happened 21:45:24 so it's not my fault 21:45:24 edit the logs 21:45:24 i did notice that things felt easy 21:45:24 kill everyone who talks 21:45:24 I wonder when my foak won 21:45:24 like when i played fomo 21:45:24 i was astonished at how easy that combo was 21:45:24 I didn't notice at all. I just thought a few months off crawl meant I was less likely to go on tilt and kill my char by aaccident. >_> 21:45:24 gammafunk: I was using a lot of elec and pain, which weren't doubled :P or at least that's my excuse 21:45:24 ok, foak was in february 21:45:24 time to win weak characters 21:45:24 so my non-tournament wins are all clean 21:45:24 but yeah I was sort of wondering whether either players were doing more damage or monsters were doing less, since tabbing seemed better and tourney winrate was so high 21:45:30 but I didn't suspect anything so huge 21:45:37 neither did i, really 21:45:37 elliptic: my only melee char recently was following the hyperbolic guide, and also used pain 21:45:44 yeah, it did seem to me like my melee characters were extra easy, but to be fair, they also had silly defenses and took no damage 21:45:49 pain and conj w/Ash 21:46:08 players are taking less damage, since the things that would hurt them die sooner! 21:46:11 gammafunk: iron shot?? 21:46:16 when was the bug introduced? 21:46:21 Mar 6th 21:46:22 but I definitely had an easier time with my MuWz when I switched to melee combat instead of building out a huge list of spells under Sif, and apparently not just because it was more XP efficient 21:46:24 two weeks. 21:46:42 wheals: no, fcloud, and later ood 21:47:00 this talismasher guy got on the scene right afterwards 21:47:06 his first 15 runer was on the 8th 21:47:20 hey if he knew kudos to him 21:47:21 i wonder who that guy is 21:47:31 it would have been clever to figure that out on your own and keep it under wraps 21:47:42 it's like a casino heist 21:47:44 anyway my proposal would be: (1) announce the bug as soon as possible "pre-brand melee damage is doubled" and say that we aren't fixing this until after tourney to keep the tourney fairer (2) release 0.16.1 immediately after tourney ends (and I mean immediately, let's try to work out binary issues and such ahead of time so that they don't delay things) 21:47:44 it was |amethyst ! 21:48:05 +1 21:48:06 if you're not going to fix during the tourney, dont announce the problem 21:48:12 uh 21:48:13 Casino heist? More like zero-day exploit. 21:48:28 not announcing it would be a huge fairness problem 21:48:32 ^^^ 21:48:34 chequers: it's already out, people read the logs, it's probably not good to not announce 21:48:42 yeah 21:48:43 also dozens of people know already, probably hundreds 21:48:44 I'd much rather be completely open about it 21:48:49 yeah agree 21:48:50 there are already people who know about it 21:48:52 need to change ##crawl topic 21:48:53 I mean, outside this channel 21:48:54 i guess if you dont announce, only casual players will not know 21:49:01 most people here are in their own clan channels too 21:49:08 actually this announcement could be a very funny blogpost 21:49:15 "double damage! ends tomorrow" 21:49:18 I can ...wait 21:49:21 dangit 21:49:23 ??is_cdo_down 21:49:24 is cdo down[1/1]: 1 hours, 37 minutes, 11 seconds since last activity (cdo) 21:49:27 50% off all enemies 21:49:30 I can definitely see arguments for fixing it though and would be fine with doing that if some other dev feels strongly that way 21:49:35 liquidation sale 21:49:47 Yeah. We could add a message to 0.16 like with the Trunk message (?) 21:49:48 well I don't like crawl being so broke for so long when we know how to fix it 21:50:00 I look forward to the wave of player deaths after the tourney ends, once players start having their damage be unexpectedly low 21:50:05 We can fix Trunk maybe? Hmm. 21:50:05 fix it in trunk 21:50:06 gammafunk: yes we can't even announce right now anyway :P but IMO should wait for a few more devs to weigh in / e-mail devs about it before making a decision 21:50:10 while all the devs are here, can I propose a landing homepage which isn't hosted on CDO? https://dcssgame.com/ any opinions? 21:50:22 elliptic: yeah that seems fine to me, again I see your reasons for leaving it 21:53:29 reaverb: fixing trunk is fine yeah 21:53:29 elliptic: I guess you could put a not on the tourney page? Not sure that cdo will get to all that many people 21:53:29 s/not/note/ 21:53:29 well obviously it wouldn't now, but we're not decided yet anyhow 21:53:29 gammafunk: yeah, I can do that once we come to a decision, one way or another 21:53:29 I don't know if we should just do git revert e0bdd66 or wait for |amethyst to fix the crash in a way that doesn't double melee damage or just naiively do damage_done = calc_damage and hope that works even though we know the patch isn't safe. 21:53:29 -!- Kashira has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:29 I think I'll just revert the commit. 21:53:29 not yet... 21:53:29 in Trunk, not 0.16 21:53:29 ah 21:53:29 0.16 I'm fine with the "keep it until tourney ends" 21:53:29 yeah, i guess we want to refactor there anyway so no need for a "quick fix" really 21:53:29 gammafunk: I don't have much time for this right now, can you or someone else write an e-mail to c-r-d (or to the dev list) asking for opinions on fixing in 0.16 immediately? 21:53:29 elliptic: sure I'll do that now 21:53:33 to dev list I think 21:53:44 i think there's no reason not to use crd 21:54:03 I guess not 21:54:13 not like it's hidden here, and player input might be useful here 21:54:28 or just have it as a place to record for posterity our screw-up :P 21:54:32 wheals: look we only pretend to listen to DrKe to make him feel good, alright? 21:54:37 so this has basically been the benghazi of crawl 21:54:49 with |amethyst as hillary clinton or whomever they clame it on 21:54:53 *blame 21:55:21 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:55:23 think i will keep my dotcom bubble analogy :P 21:55:29 i expect all the roguelike podcasts will discuss the scandal 21:55:35 it's more like watergate 21:55:40 damn it gfunk 21:55:55 !lg * name~~nixon 21:55:56 586. Nixon the Hoplite (L27 MiFi of The Shining One), slain by a death scarab (summoned by a greater mummy) on Tomb:3 (tomb_3) on 2015-03-15 11:36:33, with 646828 points after 82523 turns and 11:14:27. 21:55:59 !lg * name~~nixon s=name 21:56:00 586 games for * (name~~nixon): 430x Nixon, 132x DickNixon, 13x richardnixon, 4x NixonJr, 4x Nixon4Prez223, 2x MojoNixon, nixonesque 21:57:04 |amethyst lied. monsters died 21:57:10 ;) 21:57:39 how will we ever be able to trust the devs again 21:57:50 when did we start to trust them? 21:57:55 RIP accountability 21:57:57 touche 22:01:35 "Dev team is currently debating whether to fix this in 0.16 immediately or after the tournament is over." - that fine to say in the Trunk revert? 22:01:35 It's in the logs so I think so. 22:01:35 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:01:35 reaverb: you don't have to make any comment like that 22:01:43 we're going to post something soon 22:01:44 honestly this bug not getting caught for so long is partly my fault for not updating my offline qw testing (which has tens of thousands of games) to a version of crawl with the bug 22:01:58 gammafunk: Yeah, I guess that makes sense. 22:02:00 well it's more a problem for lack of unit/regression testing 22:02:03 since that probably would have made it pretty clear 22:02:10 well we have online testing, namely players 22:02:23 and the win rate is about 60% more than last tourney 22:02:24 gammafunk: yes, all we have is qw :P 22:02:34 and it took this long for anyone to find the bug 22:02:45 does the qw testing use wizmode or spit out explicit damage? 22:02:58 I think elliptic means he'd see higher winrate 22:03:00 If fsim is accessible from the command line I think setting up a a script would be not too hard? 22:03:17 the winrate being extremely higher in the very early stages makes sense too 22:03:27 since people rush the melee archetypes 22:03:40 CanOfWorms: qw is a bot that plays Crawl (and can win). It's used for stress testing. This bug gave it a 10% winrate in the 0.16 tournament. 22:03:45 the net effect overall may not be so great, assuming you ignore the metagame that double damage exists 22:03:48 ah 22:03:59 which is like 5x what it was in the 0.15 tournament. 22:04:05 is hibernation supposed to list success percentages on guys who should be immune to it? (I'm seeing it on vampire mosquitoes, and it allows me to cast without a warning) 22:04:39 ProzacElf: that's a known issue (as in i reported it and then it was marked as duplicate) 22:04:50 ok 22:05:02 figured i'd ask here before i started to try to search mantis 22:05:53 do any monsters use the player damage calculations? 22:06:02 like ghosts or mara clones or what not? 22:06:20 vis a vis the double damage, i think a lot of people just assumed they had actually gotten better. i only played one melee-centric game over that time, but i just thought "hey, maybe i'm getting better!" 22:06:34 !lg . won 22:06:35 5. chequers the Executioner (L27 HOGl of Beogh), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-10 21:37:03, with 1838479 points after 57764 turns and 3:32:40. 22:09:39 "everyone else got better too" 22:09:39 rast: Probably not, but that's hard to answer in a codebase like Crawl's <_< 22:09:39 now I'm glad I played that TeCk 22:09:39 *Cj 22:09:39 reaverb: well, it is 1-5% offline (in unbugged versions) depending on the combo, and the 10% online during the tourney was a small enough sample that I assumed it just got lucky 22:09:39 it means my TRJ kill was legit 22:09:39 elliptic: Ah. 22:09:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:09:39 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:09:39 but I imagine its winrate (using only melee) would have at least doubled with this bug given that general player winrate more than doubled 22:11:00 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 22:11:21 rast: i'm just saying that if you're not actively comparing other people's new success to your own it's easy to think that 22:11:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:44 so is it definite that player ranged didn't double? 22:12:01 "Yes" 22:12:04 it also wasn't clear from tourney winrate going up that it was a melee-specific thing, of course 22:12:13 so I hear I missed the best bug 22:12:20 yes 22:12:22 no, it's still here 22:12:35 PleasingFungus: thoughts on whether to fix it in 0.16 immediately? 22:12:48 the tournament is half over 22:12:54 I think at this point just let it ride 22:13:03 the tournament of easymode 22:13:22 the tournament of hope and crushing despair 22:13:26 it can go in the scrapbook 22:13:28 it's not like there's a tournament hall of fame anyway 22:13:52 everyone who cares will know that it was screwed 22:14:08 sort of like all those OpMo wins when it was getting ultra-constrict damage 22:14:28 -!- shmup has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:43 well, Op in general, but most noticeable on the OpMo 22:17:43 did that make it to stable? 22:17:43 ??tourney hall of fame 22:17:43 tourney hall of fame[1/1]: Past tourney winners: Stabwound, 78291, elliptic, mikee, theglow, elliptic, theglow, jeanjacques, bmfx, Tolias. Longest streak: theglow, 18 games, t0.11. 22:17:43 lol 22:17:43 ok, fine 22:17:43 that streak probably isn't being beaten this tourney anyway 22:17:43 there *is* a tourney hall of fame 22:17:43 you can put an asterisk next to it =P 22:17:43 (or ever again probably, 18-streak in 16 days is insane) 22:17:43 rast: Yes. 22:17:43 very true 22:17:43 !won walkerboh t 22:17:43 walkerboh (t) has won 13 times in 14 games (92.86%): 1xCeFi 1xDDWn 1xDrAr 1xDsSk 1xGrMo 1xHOWr 1xHuBe 1xKoGl 1xMfAM 1xMiAE 1xOgHu 1xTrCj 1xVSVM 22:17:43 he was winning about 2 per day 22:17:43 i'm not a great player by any means, but i can't finish a game in less than a day even if i lose half the time =P 22:17:43 to be fair, double damage 22:17:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:17:43 rast: yes but his streak ended 22:17:43 ProzacElf likewise 22:17:43 me and wboh can duke it out for the title of king of double damage 22:17:43 elliptic i know, but the rate 22:17:43 Was theglow a known community member under a differant alias or was it a darkhorse who appeared out of nowhere? 22:17:43 he has a lot of quotes in the learndb, i would guess he was around a lot for a while 22:17:43 reaverb: he was known under the alias "the_glow" 22:17:43 reaverb: i.e. neither 22:17:43 Ah. 22:17:43 he was a big poster in the SA crawl threads, I think? nrook referred to him that way 22:17:43 I guess he was just around mostly before I was. 22:17:43 er, *xhe etc 22:17:47 PleasingFungus: I guess your heard about our epic bug 22:18:02 I sent that email to crd 22:18:05 ya, someone posted about it on SA 22:18:13 I had to jump on IRC immediately because it sounded hilarious 22:18:14 haha 22:18:22 christ, on SA before crd 22:18:27 rip 22:19:21 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679: Don't double all player melee damage (Revert e0bdd66d8) 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3c9679156c5 22:22:22 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:22 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:22 gammafunk: o_0 22:22:22 bh: is that monacle going to fall off? 22:22:22 from shock 22:22:22 *monocle 22:22:22 it's a weird word 22:22:22 \o_o/....0 22:22:22 haha 22:22:22 monacocle 22:22:22 gammafunk: it was me 22:22:22 This is basically the most hilarious bug ever and highlights our complete lack of regression testing 22:22:22 monacle, a manacle for your eyeball 22:22:22 thanks worms 22:22:22 also, the horrors of cleave code 22:22:22 both of those things 22:22:22 bh: how do you test our combat code? 22:22:22 sincere question 22:22:22 fsim? 22:22:22 ... 22:22:22 how do you *build automated tests* for our combat code 22:22:22 bh: (you may be amused to hear that nrook had the exact same reaction as you) 22:22:22 -!- TJ_ is now known as Guest54287 22:22:22 PleasingFungus: you isolate some of the combat code and then run simulations 22:22:22 step 1 is the trick, I'd think 22:22:23 yup 22:22:32 um 22:22:33 good commit title 22:22:35 hm 22:23:03 After you get step 1, you develop a set of expectations. If a commit causes you to deviate too far from the expectation, ask a dev to bless the result 22:23:34 are you sure you want to bless this commit? 22:23:35 yes, yes, I know how testing works. however, to test crawl code, you first have to do step 1 22:23:48 yep. step 1 is nightmarish 22:23:56 for your first trial, mock player. 22:24:05 rewriting crawl would probably be easier 22:24:08 ^ we should not do this 22:24:26 My thought was run scripts to create fsim data, and then compare it to previous commits. If there's too high a differance sound the alarm. 22:24:39 sounds prone to false positives 22:24:49 give it a wide enough margin 22:24:53 if you set the thresholds high enough, might be better than nothing 22:25:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:10 the worst tests are the bullshit ones that fall over in a slight breeze 22:25:23 yeah if you ran over enough iterations that there was small variance 22:25:29 seems like it'd be ok 22:25:33 I guess you could also mock the rng calls, to turn it deterministic. 22:25:35 bh: imo fix our current tests 22:25:37 <_< 22:25:41 they're useless right now 22:25:43 I've worked in an environment where we had a crazy regression test suite. *Any* deviation from it had to be blessed by hand 22:25:57 It was a very, very good idea 22:26:20 how far deep below the earth's crust were you at the time? 22:26:30 gammafunk: London is on the surface 22:26:46 Yeah I think the major obstacle to crawl unit tests is just making it easy to run them regularly / add new ones. 22:26:49 well the *great* news is 22:26:50 !lm . 22:26:51 13442. [2015-03-22 00:15:44] gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna) entered the Shoals on turn 7462. (Lair:6) 22:26:54 bh: What kind of application was this for? 22:26:55 this is 100% legit 22:27:13 I guess I can feel better about losing my streak, since it was clearly cheating. 22:30:26 you know thinking back it did seem like my pain dagger 22:30:26 was doing uncommonly well 22:30:26 I remember thinking "doesn't even feel like I need a qb or much slaying" 22:30:26 so this is the time to win streaks, huh? 22:30:26 if you want to play melee builds, yeah 22:30:26 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:31:43 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:43 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 22:31:43 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 22:33:04 hm, fair point in the email, elliptic 22:33:08 you've flipped me to 'undecided' 22:33:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.3/20150319201009]] 22:34:00 good thing everyone could still miss a adder ten times in a row and succumb to poison 22:34:13 What's the point with waiting until post-torunament to release 0.16.1? 22:34:42 with the melee damage bug fixed. 22:34:51 reaverb: well, that's if we don't want to apply the fix to tourney games 22:35:04 jeanjacques: yes 22:38:31 elliptic: Yeah, what's wrong with having the fix not apply to tourney games, but do apply to the 0.16 binary downloads? 22:38:31 reaverb: because if we make commits to the 0.16 branch then they will show up online when the servers rebuild? 22:38:31 We can make a new branch and just call it 0.16.1 22:38:31 which we would need to do anyway if we wanted to have the binaries already prepared. 22:39:21 that's a reasonable point, yeah 22:39:33 (that we would need to do that anyway) 22:40:01 I'm currently leaning towards just fixing it now and not worrying too much about tourney "fairness" anyway (see my crd email) 22:40:37 elliptic: I'm weakly in favor of not fixing it 22:41:39 elliptic: I don't mind much either way, but I'm probably in the "would not play more in the tourney if this isn't fixed group" >_> 22:41:40 mostly from the fairness perspective. The tournament should run under a consistent set of rules 22:42:33 Make double damage an rc file option. 22:42:39 lmao 22:42:44 Best of both worlds. 22:42:58 we've had serious bugfixes during tourney in the past (nowhere near this bad though) 22:43:19 we've had more control/communication with servers though 22:46:35 quaddamage = 2 22:46:35 can it be changed and some flag is set to just make sure it doesn't affect existing games? 22:46:35 (change to the multiplier of your choice) 22:46:35 quaddamge = inf 22:46:35 quaddamage = woe 22:46:35 yes 22:46:35 quaddamage = hugedmg 22:46:35 even better 22:46:35 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:35 yeah i changed my mind 22:46:35 it should be fixed 22:46:35 even if its kinda gross that half of the tourney was bugged 22:46:35 its worse if people just don't play because of it 22:46:42 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:47:42 -!- Guest54287 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:47:49 people who have more time to play in the second week are already disadvantaged, but fixing the bug without fixing it in the tourney just gives disincentive to even play in the tourney 22:47:55 which is worse 22:48:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:49 we could fix it, end the 0.16 tourney early and start a 0.16+ tourney immediately 22:49:53 wait, why does fixing the bug but not in the tourney disincentivize playing in the tourney? 22:50:11 because people want to play the least broken version of the game? 22:50:33 like if you were starting to play crawl what would you start with 22:50:49 that's not what is up for debate CanOfWorms 22:50:49 it would be a rather awkward metagame thing to play with the full knowledge of the bug 22:51:03 CanOfWorms: Yeah you said yourself you didn't like your first 15-runer was contaiminated by the bug. 22:51:16 ...well 22:51:21 yeah, but I won't stop playing 22:51:30 I guess I learned an interesting lesson about using 22:51:34 a ring of ice 22:54:39 almost done with shoals 22:54:39 and I walk around a corner and 22:54:39 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:54:39 !lg . x=hp,dam 22:54:39 2751. [hp=-4;dam=70] gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by Mara (bolt of fire) on Shoals:5 on 2015-03-22 03:50:57, with 20698 points after 9231 turns and 1:12:39. 22:54:39 didn't even get one turn to act 22:54:39 at this point the bug is a done deal 22:54:39 and I really didn't need to have that ring on :( 22:54:39 I can't magically undo my 15-runer (and to be honest I could still splat it) 22:54:39 gammafunk: Were you @ full hp? 22:54:39 I tink so 22:54:39 !log 22:54:39 2751. gammafunk, XL12 HESu, T:9231: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20150322-035057.txt 22:54:39 ok, so its a done deal 22:54:39 !lg gammafunk x=hp,dam,sdam,tdam 22:54:39 reaverb: 66 maxhp :) 22:54:39 2751. [hp=-4;dam=70;sdam=70;tdam=70] gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by Mara (bolt of fire) on Shoals:5 on 2015-03-22 03:50:57, with 20698 points after 9231 turns and 1:12:39. 22:54:39 dang. 22:54:39 it affected people, probably benefitted some more than others, at random 22:54:39 so fix it, and people will continue to crawl 22:54:39 well I had my first win DrKe :P 22:54:39 but yeah totally fix it heh 22:54:39 man, I had frikkin menag, shadow creatures 22:54:39 I didn't need no more ice beast power! 22:54:39 I somehow knew using that long term would come back and bight me 22:54:41 shoals was like 80% clear, even killed ilsuiw in few few turns of A:5 22:55:46 I somehow knew using that long term would come back and bight me 22:55:47 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:55:53 bight 22:55:59 once bighten twice shy 22:56:13 fr: robe of bight 22:56:19 gives you fangs 3 when worn 22:56:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bight_%28geography%29 ? 22:56:57 bight me, minmay 22:57:53 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:38 robe of bight: allows you to tie yourself between two summons who are attached on a rope 22:58:56 see also: alpine butterfly 22:58:58 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:58:59 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:59 -!- Walttt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:05 someone check that mara damage wasn't doubled with that neil commit 22:59:11 pretty sure it was! 22:59:13 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:59:16 fake_lang = bught 22:59:36 that would explain why mara has been killing me in sprint 23:02:44 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:44 is there a fake_lang=Donald ? 23:02:44 ??cheipoke 23:02:44 cheipoke[1/2]: probably unnecessary now: a gitorious webhook does this automatically 23:02:44 ??cheipoke[2 23:02:44 cheipoke[2/2]: http://s-z.org/cgi-bin/cheipoke 23:02:44 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:53 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:53 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 23:05:53 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:12:07 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:08 The build passed. (master - f2c12c4 #2013 : reaverb): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/55332727 23:12:08 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:12:18 elliptic, gammafunk, reaverb: my vote is on 'fix it for the tourney' 23:12:25 Mara (13R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 10/14 | Dam: 30 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4614 | Sp: blink [11!AM, 06!sil], b.fire (3d27) [06!sil], mara summon [06!sil], sum.illusion [06!sil], pain (d17) [06!sil], teleport self [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:12:25 %??mara 23:12:48 !calc 3.0 * 27.0 * 1.5 23:12:49 121.5 23:13:18 !clac 70.0 * 2 / 9 23:13:26 !calc 70.0 * 2 / 9 23:13:27 15.56 23:18:13 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:26 summary of this channel today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEu1dFLwf3E 23:25:10 this sucks. all my wins have * next to them now, they were all melee. no wonder i was streaking 23:25:10 it seems offline players have been vindicated 23:25:28 same here, I thought I became a good player overnight. Shoulda realized that it was too good when I was clobbering OOFs with my +8 spear. 23:26:56 -!- psuedo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:33:15 -!- [sa]static has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:36:55 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:37:17 -!- Thalfon has quit [] 23:41:18 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:49:22 why does CDO go down all the time 23:49:22 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:50:40 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:40 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 23:50:40 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 23:53:38 it's the double damage bug 23:54:15 cdo taking double the damage 23:54:22 I've been wondering if ew has something to do with it 23:57:27 maybe if the heating of the chassis is not so good 23:57:27 or rather, cooling 23:57:27 ??ew 23:57:27 enchant weapon[1/2]: Increases your wielded weapon's enchantment by +1 and uncurses it if you are not with Ashenzari. You can't enchant artifacts, but you can still uncurse them. 23:57:27 is ew related to gw or qw? 23:57:27 genetically, that is 23:57:27 incidentally, the feedback so far in the SA thread seems to be mostly "fix it now, i don't want to play in easy mode" 23:58:57 i guess this proves nobody really undersatnds crawl damage 23:59:03 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679 (34) 23:59:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]