00:00:43 servers can push milestones to sequell, which can announce them in real-time 00:01:11 sequell can then forward milestones in realtime onto other API subscribers as a central firehose 00:05:36 <|amethyst> what happens when sequell is down? 00:05:36 the world ends 00:05:36 is it an issue if milestones are missed? 00:05:36 <|amethyst> a bit 00:05:36 <|amethyst> "sorry, your win doesn't count" 00:05:36 <|amethyst> (well, that's not a milestone technically...) 00:05:36 they can queue up on the sender 00:05:36 ye, but the real time info is just a nice feature, you can still check the logs to milestones it just takes longer 00:05:36 I'm describing a message queue without using those words :) 00:05:36 <|amethyst> I also don't know if forking for every entry would be a good idea 00:05:36 sequell often lags a lot 00:05:36 so I'm not sure how this would help with the issue I mentioned earlier 00:06:20 of course server bots also lag sometimes but it seems to happen a lot less 00:06:22 <|amethyst> you could avoid the fork issue by making the milestone file into a FIFO or socket 00:07:00 yeah I didn't want to get bogged down in the backend technical stuff yet 00:07:13 <|amethyst> ?? 00:07:18 I just wanted to show how you can have real-time announcements with a single bot 00:07:23 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:45 "send messages via a message queue instead of http file transfer" 00:10:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:13:41 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:13:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:15:11 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:15:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-107-gcb34577 (34) 00:18:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:45 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:45 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:21:55 -!- orneryos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:07 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:16 -!- gruegirl has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 00:26:22 -!- honeybadger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26:36 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-107-gcb34577 (34) 00:29:49 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:49 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16.0-12-g7215832 00:29:49 -!- Handelskogge has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:29:49 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:31:07 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:07 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 00:31:07 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 00:31:22 I don`t want to screw up my game so I`m now going to test this really, but it looks like a trog user could autopickup a spellcasting related manual and autotrain themselves into penance 00:32:48 how would the autotraining start? 00:33:19 well in this case it was a manual of transmutations, and transmutations skill turned on 00:33:35 ooh. didn't know that could happen 00:34:02 I assume this is with auto skill training? 00:34:02 <|amethyst> did you cast a transmutation spell? 00:34:42 no i`m playing on an active streaking online account, i dodnt cast anything since i`m worshipping trog, and I don`t even know if it would realy put me into penance since I turned the skill off right away 00:37:55 <|amethyst> if not, it shouldn't go above 0.0 00:37:55 <|amethyst> or, rather, the weight shouldn't go above 0 00:37:55 the skill did turn on however, and i turned it off and dropped the manual 00:37:55 s 00:37:55 <|amethyst> yes, that's how automatic skill training works 00:37:55 <|amethyst> skills are always "on" if they are trainable 00:37:55 tried pinging it from a few different places, pretty sure http://crawl.develz.org/ is down 00:37:55 <|amethyst> mrwooster: yes 00:37:55 <|amethyst> ??is cdo down 00:37:55 is cdo down[1/1]: 4 hours, 55 minutes, 40 seconds since last activity (cdo) 00:37:55 ah, ok, wasnt sure if you were aware 00:37:55 <|amethyst> (unless you explicitly turn them off) 00:37:55 so how come a manual lets me train fire magic, but not a staff of fire 00:37:55 i asked about that for pain-branded weapons 00:37:55 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39:11 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:11 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 00:39:11 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 00:39:12 whenever i switch levels and meet the ghost again, the game forgets about the ghost with the same name/race/class on the other level 00:39:16 CDO is gone from the 'net 00:39:20 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:28 rast: forgets meaning ^O screen? 00:39:32 right 00:39:39 annotations 00:39:50 I guess that is probably related to the stuff that handles shafted uniques 00:39:57 at first i thought the ghost had shafteed itself even though it think its impossible 00:40:03 report on mantis please 00:40:09 but then i went back up to d3 and the annotation switched back 00:40:15 mrwooster: down for me too yes, the whole server it seems is unreachable, web services and all 00:40:39 !tell rwork D:3 Byzantium's ghost, average DgFi 00:40:39 rast: OK, I'll let rwork know. 00:40:49 <|amethyst> !source unique_name 00:40:50 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dgn-overview.cc;hb=HEAD#l781 00:41:45 elliptic mantis, me? ok 00:46:04 -!- orneryos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:46:15 <|amethyst> hm 00:46:31 <|amethyst> fixing the switching thing isn't too bad... but then if you kill one, they still both vanish 00:46:34 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:46:43 why am I clanless all of sudden 00:47:42 kvaak: probably your clan registration line was on cdo? 00:47:47 yes 00:48:27 I hadn't thought of it until now but the fancy system cdo uses for clan registration probably does break in this way when cdo goes offline 00:48:28 maybe ew played too many games on poor CDO... 00:48:55 it will be fixed if cdo comes back, or you can add the line back to a different server's rcfile 00:49:05 righto 00:49:46 CAO scoring pages not updating (for CDO games at least) seems to be another (older) problem though 00:50:07 <|amethyst> yeah, I haven't added 0.16 for most servers yet 00:54:08 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 00:54:08 <|amethyst> hrm... what if you get two ghosts of "the same" char on the same level :( 00:54:08 aha, I have the same problem with CPO 0.16 games not scoring 00:54:08 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:54 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:13 We haven't seen napkin since cdo went offline it seems 01:02:13 !seen Napkin 01:02:13 I last saw Napkin at Wed Mar 18 00:46:01 2015 UTC (5h 13m 40s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 264 seconds'. 01:02:13 ??cdo 01:02:13 cdo[1/4]: Crawl server (also running 4.1), located in Germany, crawl.develz.org, telnet port 345 or ssh port 22, ssh-username: crawl, ssh-key necessary: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key (openssh) or http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk (putty) 01:02:13 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:02:13 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:03:28 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 01:03:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 01:04:04 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 01:05:55 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:10:21 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:21 <|amethyst> "historical correctness issues" would be one thing 01:10:21 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11:37 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:37 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 01:11:37 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 01:11:59 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:13:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:14:38 -!- dead_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:19:27 fr, no +int -cast 01:22:50 chequers: intelligence is still useful for things other than spellcasting 01:22:50 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:55 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:11 chequers: for example, if you happen to be following sif muna and don't want to cast spells, intelligence is still useful to improve the success rate of channeling 01:23:42 why would you want to channel with -cast though? 01:23:42 i'd like to file a bug report with 0.16 01:23:46 where do I do this 01:23:55 mantis, once cdo is back up 01:23:57 ??mantis 01:23:58 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 01:24:01 ok 01:24:19 I want to continue this character. should I just like, make a dump 01:24:21 and put it on pastebin 01:24:24 chequers: staff of olgreb! guardian spirit! lantern of shadows! 01:24:28 while I wait 01:24:44 what's the bug? 01:24:49 a mummy of sif should be able to still keep lantern of shadows up constantly 01:25:00 minmay: ha ha ok i concede 01:25:31 the bug is, I have two potions of lignification. I autoinscribe them with !q!d 01:25:36 but one of them somehow got a different inscription 01:25:39 and now they are seperate entries 01:25:42 rather than merging into one entry 01:25:48 seperate inventory slots 01:25:48 as I imagine the intended behavior owuld be 01:26:00 http://pastebin.com/s25ijy5n at the bottom 01:26:13 one is i and the other is I 01:26:29 Blazinghand: use it to get free items from shops 01:26:29 the inscriptions aren't identical 01:26:36 right 01:26:45 does having non-identical inscriptions mean no stacking? 01:27:11 like, i'm assuming that's the reason they're not stacking, and that also it's a bug that non-identical inscriptions cause non-stacking 01:27:17 if it's not a bug I won't report it 01:27:48 no idea, but if you wait here someone will 01:27:55 i don't think you need a special save of the game 01:28:01 ok 01:28:47 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:48 <|amethyst> it's intentional 01:28:55 ok 01:29:05 <|amethyst> !source items.cc:1442 01:29:06 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc;hb=HEAD#l1442 01:30:15 <|amethyst> I guess if you wanted to have separate arrow stacks for S2S vs bows 01:30:28 ah 01:30:42 <|amethyst> or to add !q to a "reserve" of a few of one kind of potion 01:30:43 cdo down 01:30:46 ??is cdo down 01:30:48 is cdo down[1/1]: 5 hours, 50 minutes, 2 seconds since last activity (cdo) 01:30:54 damn 01:31:06 need a :beh for when people say cdo 01:31:08 :P 01:31:49 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:13 is cdo down 01:32:15 5 hours, 51 minutes, 30 seconds since last activity (cdo) 01:32:17 less ?? 01:32:17 The final ability (******) of TSO, Kiku (if chosen), and Lugonu is to both place a permanent brand and read an {enchant weapon III} scroll on your weapon by praying at their altar. You can still enchant the weapon further. See {the shining one[4]}, {kikubaaqudgha[3]}, or lugonu for details. 01:32:43 very clever you damnable metal machine 01:33:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:33:52 but CDO is not down anymore :) 01:34:00 !tell grunt some kind of abyss vault, apparently: http://pastebin.com/2Uz0MM2D (from webtiles chat) 01:34:01 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:34:31 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 01:35:47 !tell grunt http://i.imgur.com/huILnTM.png 01:35:47 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:38:36 really? the website is down 01:39:03 -!- Puppet` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39:05 <|amethyst> it's up for me now 01:39:13 <|amethyst> Napkin: thanks! 01:39:24 there we go 01:39:56 deep freeze... again.. doooh 01:40:06 let's get to work 01:40:08 o/ 01:40:49 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:07 PleasingFungus: i - the +6 Majin-Bo {vamp, Archmagi MP+6 Int+6} 01:42:11 is it a sin 01:43:20 elliptic: cdo is back up 01:43:35 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-108-ga8f3a87: Be more careful with duplicate ghost annotations (rast) 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8f3a87e9d1d 01:43:46 gammafunk: ty 01:43:50 <|amethyst> I guess that one's probably safe to cherry-pick 01:44:02 -!- Puppet` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:44:10 gammafunk: it's a sin not to use it!!! 01:44:54 I forget if I ever mentioned: when I was first designing it, I wanted the maijin-bo to whisper to you every so often 01:45:03 I should implement that sometime 01:45:53 haha, that'd be funny 01:46:02 sadly my spen needs its buckler 01:46:04 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:46:50 Morg is sitting in a shop, kind of a theme of evil unrands this game 01:47:18 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.0-13-g0380d44: Be more careful with duplicate ghost annotations (rast) 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0380d440898c 01:49:04 the maijin-bo isn't evil, it's just... morally dubious. 01:49:17 whisper what? 01:49:33 The Majin-Bo whispers, "Another firestorm, master?" 01:49:48 PleasingFungus: well vamp brand makes it evil for all practical purposes 01:51:07 <|amethyst> I feel like I haven't watched enough Dragon Ball Z to understand the current conversation 01:51:21 haha 01:51:24 <|amethyst> another one of those anaheims 01:51:30 my room-mate keeps complaining that i haven't watched dbz 01:51:35 (nrook) 01:51:41 claims I'm a barbarian 01:51:43 devoid of culture 01:52:25 I see. nrook's weird fixation with dragons is deeper than I realized 01:52:31 <|amethyst> I've seen bits and pieces on other peoples' TVs 01:52:31 haha 01:52:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:35 <|amethyst> in kid's anime, I prefer Ranma � 01:54:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-107-gcb34577 01:55:30 you are a barbarian 01:55:40 rip 01:55:40 rip 01:55:42 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:55:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 01:57:13 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:59:44 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.0-14-g63f578d: Don't mutate or drain the player in fsim. 10(9 hours ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63f578d151a2 02:00:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:04:01 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:04:54 -!- luminescence has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:48 dobrazupa tournament pages still do not update for CDO info, even though CDO is back since half an hour or so 02:09:03 tourney pages aren't updating at all right now because some CDO logfile lines got mangled 02:09:57 ok 02:19:26 okay working again 02:19:52 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 02:20:00 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:27 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:36 -!- jeremie__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:42 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16.0-14-g63f578d 02:24:49 -!- muravey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:59 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:25 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:35 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 02:33:36 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:59 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 02:35:05 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:35:10 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:11 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1k 02:35:43 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-108-ga8f3a87 (34) 02:37:57 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:38:42 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:16 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:33 -!- Puppet` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:42:43 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:58 -!- Umbreoni is now known as FaMott 02:47:16 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:48:29 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:20 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-109-g04239eb: Handle 80-character prompts better under clear_messages (gw) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04239ebb9d4c 02:51:03 <|amethyst> Grunt: 04239eb should fix that ctrl-f crash but I'm not sure it doesn't mess something else up with some weird combination of options, prompt lengths, etc. 02:51:48 <|amethyst> Grunt: in particular, it might try placing the cursor off the bottom of the screen in some situations? 02:52:04 <|amethyst> still doesn't do anything about 5554 at all 02:55:09 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:58:03 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:59:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-110-g6d3559e: Improve a message's grammar. 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d3559e047d2 02:59:16 -!- Fusha has quit [] 03:05:51 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:14 -!- nonethousand is now known as Guest80359 03:07:40 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:11:27 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:16:04 -!- Kittykai has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:06 has anyone else run into this when trying to compile? 03:19:26 cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-std=c++11’ 03:19:46 -!- abixa has quit [Client Quit] 03:26:23 <|amethyst> you need a newer compiler 03:26:26 <|amethyst> is this Windows? 03:27:39 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:28:28 <|amethyst> if so, you need to follow "Upgrading GCC with Win-builds" in INSTALL.txt 03:28:40 <|amethyst> otherwise, get gcc 4.8 or later however you do that on your OS 03:29:14 <|amethyst> or clang 3.4 or later 03:29:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:29:51 <|amethyst> the docs say gcc 4.7 works but we don't test that regularly 03:30:03 I'm compiling with 4.9 03:31:16 specifically upgraded after seeing the error 03:31:20 <|amethyst> double-check that: the second word in .cflags is the name of the compiler executable our makefile is actually using (it's usually not just plain "g++") 03:31:32 <|amethyst> here it's i586-linux-gnu-g++ 03:31:38 <|amethyst> you need to make sure that one is 4.9 03:33:57 -!- Guest80359 is now known as n1k 03:33:59 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 03:33:59 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:05 hm that's weird /usr/bin/i686-linux-gnu-g++ still links to 4.6 03:34:24 but when I run g++ --version it says 4.9 03:35:21 <|amethyst> how did you upgrade? 03:35:27 <|amethyst> and what OS? 03:35:37 <|amethyst> (and distribution) 03:35:49 upgraded with apt and update-alternatives 03:35:50 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:35:52 ubuntu precise 03:36:26 -!- hypermatt has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:36:40 <|amethyst> is g++ an alternative on precise, or did you add a local one? 03:37:21 I added a ppa and installed from there, so I guess it's an alternative? 03:37:27 <|amethyst> ah, hm 03:37:32 the command was update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.9 20 03:37:54 I'm not entirely sure what the number 20 means 03:38:22 <|amethyst> it's a priority, for when the admin doesn't specifically select an alternative 03:38:31 <|amethyst> you'll probably want to add slaves to that 03:38:34 <|amethyst> something like 03:39:22 <|amethyst> hm 03:39:44 <|amethyst> actually, do you even have an i686-linux-gnu-g++-4.9 ? 03:39:55 yes 03:40:10 <|amethyst> update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/g++ g++ /usr/bin/g++-4.9 20 --slave /usr/bin/i686-linux-gnu-g++ i686-linux-gnu-g++ /usr/bin/i686-linux-gnu-g++-4.9 03:40:16 <|amethyst> something along those lines 03:40:37 <|amethyst> but I don't remember whether that's safe to add after the alternative is already installed 03:40:58 <|amethyst> you might also need --force? 03:42:17 <|amethyst> or if you want to do it the hackish way... link it into /usr/local/bin and make sure that's earlier in your path :) 03:42:44 well it seems to be working fine so far 03:43:26 thanks for the help :) 03:43:42 <|amethyst> maybe send a note to the maintainer of the PPA 03:44:55 <|amethyst> I guess it's a little complicated because the update-alternatives command has to depend on the arch 03:45:16 <|amethyst> but at least they can decide whether it's worth looking into 03:45:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:54 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:53:29 -!- LordLovebone has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56:20 tournament feature suggestion: on a player's page, for the current game(s) for a player, list the banners that the player has not yet taken, with the ones that are no longer possible to take in that game (/each of those games) greyed out 03:56:45 I constantly have to consult the banners page... :) 03:57:51 <|amethyst> I've only briefly glanced at the code, but I imagine that would require a much more declarative approach to banner rules 03:58:17 <|amethyst> or I guess just more code :) 03:59:12 tournament feature suggestion #2: have a dedicated tournament irc channel, which is more announcement intensive, for example announce all combo highscore thefts, and player advances in general such as a new banner acquired 03:59:34 <|amethyst> working on that 03:59:37 :D 03:59:58 <|amethyst> ##crawl-announce exists but the bot-side code hasn't been written 04:00:14 <|amethyst> well 04:00:24 <|amethyst> it won't be quite what you ask for 04:00:36 <|amethyst> in that the bots still don't know about the tournament 04:00:51 yup, this would mean tournament specific bot code 04:00:52 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:01:05 <|amethyst> but at least there will be a place to go to see all the milestones 04:01:18 it could be taken as far as there is a wish to code, for example annoucneing shifts in the leaderboard etc 04:01:23 <|amethyst> or at least a large subset if that turns out to be far too spammy 04:02:18 lg database feature request: be able to select onyl games where the player has the orb 04:02:22 <|amethyst> yeah, that would require adding IRC support to the scoring scripts, which is somewhat more complicated 04:02:49 <|amethyst> you can kind of do that, but not (easily) with one query 04:03:29 <|amethyst> by looking for an orb milestone associated with that gid 04:03:50 I guess so yes 04:04:44 <|amethyst> I guess adding a field to the logfile wouldn't be unreasonable 04:05:36 it would make analysis of what happens on orb runs (and in crazy post-orb-pickup stunts) more feasible 04:06:30 so honeybadger in ##crawl noticed that Felid Warper starts with tomahawks in autopickup 04:06:32 <|amethyst> elliptic: what do you thing about adding an 'orb' field to lg and maybe also lm... and would it break anything to just omit it when false? 04:10:16 Small glitch with felid autopickup 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9558 by honeybadger 04:11:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:49 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:15:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:17:06 -!- Utis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:06 -!- Utis` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:55 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:22:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-111-ga3ffbe0: Don't make FeWr autopickup tomahawks (#9558) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3ffbe0a4b85 04:22:37 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.0-15-gaae3e8d: Don't make FeWr autopickup tomahawks (#9558) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aae3e8df12f2 04:23:04 -!- tstbtto has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:27:17 -!- hy-on-github has joined ##crawl-dev 04:39:33 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:40:26 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:48:43 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:50:26 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:50:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:25 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:06:53 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:20:13 -!- kuniqs_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:34 I want to know how to find player's weapon skill, from any function in the source 05:20:46 having the pointer to the weapon 05:24:04 I'm having a pointer to a weapon, and I want to get player's weapon skill for that weapon 05:24:27 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:36:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:36:50 -!- kuniqs_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:42:12 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:41 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:52 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:49:23 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:50:18 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:01:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:02:09 -!- agwqg has quit [Client Quit] 06:02:46 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:06:21 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:40 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 06:22:01 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:27:47 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:31:30 another lg feature request (or perhaps support request...): I would like better granularity in worship handling, to see games where the player ever worshipped a certain deity (even if not at game's end), or to see games where the player never abandoned a deity, or see games where >n distinct deities were worshipped 06:32:06 (could probably be done with some complex lm nesting togehter with lg?) 06:32:53 !lm * god.abandon :lg won 06:32:53 No milestones for * (god.abandon :lg won). 06:33:04 !lm * god.abandon :lg ktyp=winning 06:33:05 No milestones for * (god.abandon :lg ktyp=winning). 06:33:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:34:39 !lm * god.abandon lg:ktyp=winning 06:34:48 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:50 ??wyrmbane 06:34:51 wyrmbane[1/2]: (polearms; +4 acc / 8 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay) A scale-covered lance +8 Wyrmbane {slay drac, +Rage rPois rF+ AC+5}. Gains +1 enchantment every time it lands the finishing blow against a {slay drac} affected monster (up to the lower of +18 or the dragon's HD). 06:34:59 6574. [2015-03-18 05:47:46] RepHenryClay the Nimble (L11 MfAs) abandoned Gozag on turn 11270. (Abyss:2) 06:35:12 ??wyrmbane[2 06:35:12 wyrmbane[2/2]: List of dragons and draconians by HD: http://git.io/AjgWEQ 06:35:24 you can pick up the gid from that 06:39:48 hmm 06:40:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:34 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:45:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:32 -!- Mitch has quit [Client Quit] 06:48:58 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:14 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:49:59 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:50:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:54:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:56:58 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:57:12 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:02:30 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:02 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:05:52 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:12:28 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:12:53 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:19 -!- Walttt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:39 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:25:44 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:26:08 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:27:09 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 07:29:53 -!- monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:31:16 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:04 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:34:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:36:10 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:44:12 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:49:02 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:50:42 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:50:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:52:37 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:11 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 07:53:13 -!- TurboShekel has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:53:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:52 |amethyst: it could be left blank when false and this wouldn't make the milestones/logfile files noticeably larger, yes... on the other hand, I don't see much gain (most games don't have post-orb milestones and orbrun death are already easy to query) 07:56:34 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:34 |amethyst: and I'm not sure what the costs are for sequell to add an extra column to its db? 07:57:40 |amethyst: I guess I'd want an actual example of what this would help with 07:57:45 -!- ackack has quit [Client Quit] 08:05:34 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:19 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: ldf_] 08:14:57 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:16:11 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:55 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:20:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:45 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:22:47 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:04 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:52 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:33:30 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 08:34:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:34:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:46 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:40:57 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:43:53 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:46:56 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:56 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:47 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:52:02 -!- onget has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:10 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:53:46 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:44 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:56:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:57:13 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:58:35 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:09:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:19:14 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:20:17 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:20:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:03 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:29:22 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 09:29:44 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:36:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:36:34 -!- EriktheRed is now known as EriktheRed1 09:44:46 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:16 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:52:25 -!- EriktheRed1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:57 -!- soundlust__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:54:29 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:55:14 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:42 -!- EriktheRed1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:14 -!- mercury^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12:32 -!- hong has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:42 hello 10:12:42 hong: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:12:50 !messages 10:12:50 (1/1) gammafunk said (5d 9h 32m 59s ago): 0.16 on webzook doesn't work for us when we start a new game or edit rc files. Also, when you do get it working, please set up http://webzook.net:82/ with the 0.16 directory with logfile and milestones. 10:13:57 help this problem 10:14:06 help please. 10:14:39 my webtile server has problem 10:15:03 it show websocket was closed 10:15:40 i checked webtile logs. 10:17:03 this log saying error tornado/websocket.py > self.ws_connection.close() 10:17:22 NoneType object has no attribute close 10:17:40 i think ws_connection was websocket object 10:17:59 but this server say websocket object is null 10:18:28 !crash 10:18:29 10878. BluebellGnoll, XL15 SpEn, T:29580 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/BluebellGnoll/crash-BluebellGnoll-20150317-193900.txt 10:18:31 meh 10:18:35 another crash with no error 10:19:06 some IOLoop error exist 10:19:06 if it's any help it always seems to happen during level transition 10:19:26 but it was swap memory problem 10:20:08 but this websocket problemt happend before 1 hour 10:20:55 webtile server process is running but not access this webtile server because this websocket error 10:22:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:19 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:40 i changed this server' 10:22:50 server 's DNS server yesterday 10:23:15 <|amethyst> hm 10:23:18 <|amethyst> I can connect 10:23:32 <|amethyst> I saw a similar problem when CSZO hit the connection limit (200 by default) 10:23:32 where? 10:23:43 <|amethyst> but you have nowhere near that many users 10:23:51 connection limit? 10:23:54 <|amethyst> http://webzook.net:8080/ 10:24:19 <|amethyst> oh, default is 100 10:24:23 <|amethyst> max_connections = 100 in config.py 10:24:37 what is connection limit? i seen this param config.py 10:24:52 i don't know what this means 10:25:17 <|amethyst> the number of users who can be connected at the same time 10:25:29 dead processes maybe? 10:25:46 -!- wheals has quit [Changing host] 10:25:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:46 -!- wheals has quit [Changing host] 10:25:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:51 max_connection is 10 10:26:21 <|amethyst> hong: then you probably have or had more users than that 10:26:25 <|amethyst> 10 is very low 10:26:47 <|amethyst> how much RAM do you have? 10:27:23 my server's memory was 512m. i think it was suit was ten user's usage 10:27:26 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:27:54 <|amethyst> ah 10:28:09 <|amethyst> 59 users = 2.7 GiB for me, so that sounds like a good number 10:28:37 <|amethyst> hong: so it's just a bug that it doesn't give a better message 10:28:39 i have a question. if this max_connections over, server shutting down or not access over user? 10:28:40 cbro is 2GB and 11 players pushes the server to 33% used 10:28:57 <|amethyst> hong: no, it's not shutting down, there just isn't room for more users 10:29:17 johnstein: i think there've been over 33 players on cbro this tourney 10:29:17 <|amethyst> hm 10:29:26 good to hear that it's been giving it's 110% 10:29:47 <|amethyst> hong: spectators count towards the limit 10:29:57 <|amethyst> hong: so you might still consider increasing it a little 10:30:15 wheals: well I should subtract out the things that are also running 10:31:27 <|amethyst> hong: if you have swap, maybe set max_connections = 20 (or higher) 10:32:04 <|amethyst> hong: if too many people play, the OS will swap and it will be slow 10:32:24 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32:27 now happen swaps 10:32:37 <|amethyst> ah 10:32:41 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:32:44 but 10:34:14 swap was small problem. user's discontents was that they can't connect this server 10:34:48 lag was induable probleme 10:34:52 <|amethyst> that was my thoughs 10:34:54 <|amethyst> thought 10:34:58 <|amethyst> so increase the number 10:35:40 <|amethyst> and maybe add a banner message pointing to the other Pacific servers (http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/ and https://crawl.project357.org/) 10:35:49 yes. i did increase this param. and rebooted this 10:35:51 wheals: I've been estimating at 2-3% RAM usage per player. that's basically 50MB per player which is about 40 players but that's assuming no other processes running 10:35:54 <|amethyst> then, if people think it is too slow, they know somewhere else to play 10:36:32 thanks 10:36:52 <|amethyst> johnstein: usually I find 50 MB per user has a decent buffer 10:37:07 <|amethyst> johnstein: the processes can get bigger than that, but on CSZO 25-40 is more common 10:37:33 yes. my think was equals. 50mb 10:37:37 <|amethyst> and about 130 for webtiles here 10:37:42 <|amethyst> the server itself 10:37:51 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:38:01 |amethyst: looks like your commit didn't fix gw's spamming a every so often but i guess it only helped with the crash? 10:38:09 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:38:22 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:38:35 i planed add more webtile server like CWZ1 CWZ2 (server1.webzook.net, server2.webzook.net) 10:38:51 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, it was only a crash fix (the cursor was in the wrong place, so typing multiple lines could crash) 10:39:16 <|amethyst> hong: hm... one bigger server might work better 10:39:33 wheals: but the bigger issue is cpu 10:39:38 <|amethyst> hong: less maintenance, and players can chat more 10:39:44 really 10:39:48 I'm running at over 1.0 a lot 10:39:53 maybe we need to do profiling again? :) 10:39:53 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Excess Flood] 10:39:54 <|amethyst> I'm running at 4.13 10:39:56 rap during rebuilds 10:40:00 <|amethyst> but that's on 8 cores so 10:40:00 esp 10:40:16 I may have to temporarily upgrade 10:40:24 <|amethyst> johnstein: could try enabling LTO 10:40:26 -!- mercury^ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:40:32 johnstein: i can't think of anything that rhymes with "C++" 10:40:34 haven't gotten a nastygram from Ramnode yet 10:40:45 <|amethyst> johnstein: I mean, that would only be a slight benefit, but it's something 10:41:17 i agree bigger server was batter, but i just using hosting server because it was cheeper 10:41:57 <|amethyst> hong: Yeah, depends on how cheap your hosting is 10:41:58 !lg * cbro t0.16 s=day(start) -graph 10:41:59 2702 games for * (cbro t0.16): https://shalott.org/graphs/f880fc11071d517d6f1a21db8a8c0744cfda5472.html 10:42:04 !lg * cbro t0.15 s=day(start) -graph 10:42:05 5019 games for * (cbro t0.15): https://shalott.org/graphs/255e1f5e9bb322d94424bca2886d03e29c4afa30.html 10:42:32 <|amethyst> hm 10:43:01 <|amethyst> I could imagine webtiles server being a frontend for a local cluster 10:43:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:43:32 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:43:38 <|amethyst> turning the webtiles socket into a network socket instead of Unix-domain 10:43:51 <|amethyst> but you'd probably still need NFS for things like ttyrecs 10:47:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47:45 !tstats 4 src=cbro 10:47:54 Stats after 4 days (src=cbro): 8 players, 0 runers, 0 winners, 0 wins, 23 games, winrate 0.00%, total player time 10:48:29. 10:47:56 my user's just like this server it was fastest server about response time, because it was located in korea. in korea, i can buy hosting service $5/month 512mb, but further service was $50/month 2gb. so i'll preferr multiple small server than single bigger server. 10:48:18 <|amethyst> elliptic: I was thinking of that to make it easier to query for things that happen on orb runs; TAS_2012v was asking for it, but I know I've also occasionally been stymied by trying to cross-reference orb milestones with games (usually not for anything important) 10:48:35 orbruntomb! 10:48:36 <|amethyst> ah, that's quite the price jump :) 10:48:47 it wouldn't really make orbruntomb possible to query easily though 10:49:06 since you still need to compare multiple milestones (entering tomb and getting the rune) 10:50:05 if i install more server, can i ask that connecting these server's official ranking 10:50:17 it would make querying orbrun zig much easier though 10:50:59 <|amethyst> hong: yes, talk to me and greensnark when you have new servers 10:51:26 <|amethyst> hong: and elliptic if you add them before the end of the tournament :) 10:52:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53:24 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:54:04 I guess each new server would require its own registration of accounts? we really need centralized authentication :/ 10:54:20 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:11 thank. 10:55:18 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:32 sd 10:55:55 yes. i think too. 10:56:28 it need more centralized authentication method 10:57:18 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:18 but i don't know how to work authentication in now 10:57:54 so i learn more, and read more source or manual 10:58:20 when i understand this process. i will touch this method. 11:02:27 thank. this help. after day i'll ask more. 11:10:36 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:49 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:14 Hi all. Is there a documentation to get a sense of the general structure of crawl's code ? 11:11:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:37 !seen kuniqs_ 11:13:38 I last saw kuniqs_ at Wed Mar 18 10:36:50 2015 UTC (5h 36m 47s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 11:14:13 giann: http://i.imgur.com/eRc6sBC.gif 11:14:22 !tell kuniqs_ item_attack_skill() (in itemprop.cc - see the comment there for more details) 11:14:22 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let kuniqs_ know. 11:15:36 giann: but seriously, there isn't really anything that lays out the overall structure, no 11:15:43 -!- Contest has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:15:56 you could build dependency graphs with doxygen 11:15:58 iirc 11:16:02 -!- Pharohdactyl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:06 we should run doxy again, it looks so pretty 11:17:59 but basically: every turn, player_reacts get run which lowers your durations etc., then _input, which takes commands, then world_reacts, which gives monsters actions and clouds and stuff 11:18:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:18:25 yeah I get the general game loop system 11:18:31 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:18:38 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:43 monsters are stored in a big global array "env.mons" (aka menv), most information is stuffed into "you" 11:18:44 just by playing the game I know a lot about the game mechanics 11:19:48 It sounds like you're looking for something more specific, then? 11:25:32 -!- mercury^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:29:32 -!- genja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:30:06 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:12 -!- Gamesmaster1965 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:41 I'm looking for the main points to look at in the code: where is the game loop (or at least the core of it), where is the map generation and so on... 11:32:23 -!- Pharohdactyl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:20 main loop is all in main.cc, though check out mon-act.cc and player-reacts.cc for subsets 11:33:43 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:46 dungeon generation is in dungeon.cc, but also in other dgn-*.cc files (except dgn-overview) AND is also in lua, a lot of it 11:33:51 um 11:33:53 I just noticed 11:33:57 !lg * t s=-crace 11:33:58 22479 games for * (t): 2x Salamander, 6x Lacertilian, 7x Bearkin, 435x Demigod, 486x Deep Dwarf, 507x Halfling, 522x Centaur, 526x Felid, 526x Ghoul, 610x Ogre, 617x Mummy, 625x Vampire, 678x Naga, 684x High Elf, 688x Human, 720x Tengu, 751x Merfolk, 773x Kobold, 793x Formicid, 871x Spriggan, 939x Draconian, 1034x Hill Orc, 1044x Vine Stalker, 1074x Octopode, 1172x Deep Elf, 1266x Gargoyle, 1562x ... 11:34:07 hm 11:34:09 !kw t 11:34:10 Built-in: t => start>='2015-03-13 20:00:00' time<'2015-03-29 20:00:00' ((cv=0.16|0.16-a)) 11:34:27 let's see something 11:34:35 !lg * t race=salamander 11:34:36 2. Kiir the Firebug (L4 SaFE), blasted by an orc (exploding inner flame) (hexed by the player character) on D:3 on 2015-03-17 11:42:20, with 122 points after 2835 turns and 0:13:28. 11:34:53 it needs !experimental, except that cdo gets classified as experimental maybe? 11:34:58 !lg * cdo experimental s=file 11:34:59 No games for * (cdo experimental). 11:35:04 i guess that got fixed 11:35:06 good 11:35:09 not on their tournament page http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/players/kiir.html , which is good 11:35:16 would be funnier if it was tho 11:35:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:35:29 sa must be worth lots of points :P 11:36:06 wheals thanks 11:36:20 yeah, I noticed that t kw thing earlier but decided not to worry about it 11:36:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36:39 !lg * t s=explbr 11:36:40 22491 games for * (t): 17066x, 4995x crawl-0.16, 406x HEAD, 7x faithful, 7x bearkin, 4x no backtracking god, 3x salamander, 3x evoker-god 11:36:48 !kw experimental 11:36:49 Keyword: experimental => file=~any- 11:37:02 !lg * t experimental s=explbr 11:37:03 24 games for * (t experimental): 7x bearkin, 7x faithful, 4x no backtracking god, 3x evoker-god, 3x salamander 11:37:31 I guess adding !experimental would work yes, I didn't realize we had a kw that was smarter than explbr= 11:37:32 !lg * t s=-god 11:37:33 22496 games for * (t): 41x Jiyva, 78x Elyvilon, 85x Fedhas, 89x Beogh, 103x Zin, 111x Yredelemnul, 154x Nemelex Xobeh, 168x Gozag, 181x Kikubaaqudgha, 294x Sif Muna, 302x Ashenzari, 325x The Shining One, 346x Dithmenos, 350x Qazlal, 448x Ru, 464x Cheibriados, 482x Makhleb, 509x Vehumet, 755x Lugonu, 911x Okawaru, 1774x Xom, 1971x Trog, 12555x 11:37:40 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:37:42 aw, no W or P 11:38:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38:22 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:31 guess it's time to 11:38:33 !glasses 11:38:33 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 11:38:35 Pak it up... 11:38:52 dang........... 11:42:45 hell fing yeah i got a three streak yall this version rocks 11:43:56 !tsats 11:44:09 !tsats 5 0.15 11:44:11 er 11:44:14 hi 11:44:15 !tstats 11:44:16 !tstats 5 0.16 11:44:18 !tstats 5 0.15 11:44:18 my clan is going to win this thing i just know it we are gonna own the rest 11:44:18 Stats after days (t): 0 players, 0 runers, 0 winners, 0 wins, 0 games, winrate NaN, total player time 0. 11:44:26 Stats after 5 days (0.16): 1508 players, 582 runers, 312 winners, 490 wins, 13179 games, winrate 3.72%, total player time 1y+68d+14:15:28. 11:44:37 Stats after 5 days (0.15): 1374 players, 350 runers, 159 winners, 240 wins, 15466 games, winrate 1.55%, total player time 1y+11d+22:35:48. 11:45:00 just you wait until i get some pointsss 11:45:06 maybe someone should compare 0.16 and 0.15 on fsim or something 11:45:25 dang, clan rankings are head-and-neck 11:45:41 and lasty's on top. clearly dev conspiray 11:45:42 PleasingFungus: did we fall behind rfk again? 11:45:56 I don't know what rfk is 11:46:02 we did :( 11:46:03 lasty is gonna have some computer troubles soon though 11:46:04 bot team 11:46:07 his entire clan infact 11:46:14 oh, robotfindskitten 11:46:14 they recruited ew 11:46:21 wheals: not 0.16, t0.16 11:46:24 who runs ew? 11:46:28 and pulled ahead of us 11:46:34 e??????? 11:46:36 !tstats 5 t0.16 11:46:36 !tstats 5 t0.16 11:46:37 obviously 11:46:40 !tstats 5 t0.15 11:46:41 Stats after 5 days (t0.16): 1616 players, 658 runers, 368 winners, 669 wins, 21250 games, winrate 3.15%, total player time 1y+195d+2:04:03. 11:46:46 Stats after 5 days (t0.16): 1616 players, 658 runers, 368 winners, 669 wins, 21250 games, winrate 3.15%, total player time 1y+195d+2:04:03. 11:46:49 has it actually been 5 days, anyway 11:46:52 not yet 11:46:53 !lm . t s=ghost 11:46:54 20 milestones for kvaak (t): 12x ew, 2x iafm, TAS2012, RobertPalmer, soul, Zugr, Sebi, jeanjacques 11:46:56 Stats after 5 days (t0.15): 1405 players, 367 runers, 173 winners, 301 wins, 18759 games, winrate 1.60%, total player time 1y+71d+23:29:35. 11:46:57 but only a few hours away 11:47:12 PleasingFungus: eTAS_2012v 11:47:15 no idea but it leaves a lot of ghosts 11:47:16 also let me go put !@bot in the queries 11:47:18 huh 11:47:23 hm, let me... 11:47:35 !tstats 5 0.16 !t0.16 11:47:43 Stats after 5 days (0.16): 1508 players, 582 runers, 312 winners, 490 wins, 13179 games, winrate 3.72%, total player time 1y+68d+14:15:28. 11:47:48 feh 11:47:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:48:01 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:02 The potion is a mimic! 11:48:05 something odd about that winrate difference 11:48:21 feel like it would be better to say what kind of potion it was 11:48:26 you know, rub it in your face :P 11:48:47 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:48:48 that would RUIN the ID game 11:48:48 !tstats 5 t0.16 11:48:53 PleasingFungus: that query doesn't do what you want 11:48:55 Stats after 5 days (t0.16): 1613 players, 657 runers, 367 winners, 664 wins, 15633 games, winrate 4.25%, total player time 1y+189d+23:26:46. 11:49:01 I removed bots 11:49:03 !tstats 5 t0.15 11:49:04 !won * 0.16 !t0.16 11:49:05 * (0.16 !t0.16) has won 44 times in 1596 games (2.76%): 7xGrFi 3xHOFi 3xMiBe 2xFoFi 2xHuBe 2xMfGl 2xVSMo 1xDDFi 1xDDGl 1xDDHu 1xDDWn 1xDEFE 1xDsAK 1xDsFi 1xDsNe 1xFoWn 1xGhWr 1xGrCK 1xHOGl 1xHuFi 1xHuMo 1xMiFi 1xMiGl 1xMuGl 1xNaBe 1xNaWr 1xOgWz 1xSpVM 1xTrCj 1xVSBe 11:49:12 huh 11:49:14 Stats after 5 days (t0.15): 1402 players, 366 runers, 172 winners, 300 wins, 18281 games, winrate 1.64%, total player time 1y+70d+16:24:19. 11:49:23 elliptic: I was trying to figure out why 0.16 gave a higher winrate than t0.16 11:49:38 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:49:45 PleasingFungus: probably because it didn't have ew :P 11:49:59 or gw 11:50:22 PleasingFungus: basically !tstats 5 0.16 was looking at the first 5 days after 0.16 was released 11:51:26 ahh 11:51:36 speaking of which, what is gw up to now 11:51:40 and !tstats 5 0.16 !t0.16 is the same as !tstats 5 0.16 11:51:56 (it only accepts two arguments currently, making it accept more would be a bit annoying) 11:52:38 Grunt: thanks 11:53:17 wheals: rip 11:53:19 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:53:23