00:00:19 wait 00:00:26 looks like i need to install gcc lol 00:00:55 make sure you get at least gcc 4.8 00:01:18 there are more deps you need, as per INSTALL.txt 00:01:44 see the section Building on Unix (Linux, *BSD, Solaris, etc.) 00:03:11 INSTALL.txt is terrible, i should rewrite it 00:03:53 double-space after periods 00:03:56 >:| 00:04:12 i was thinking of something based on https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/source/c25b939f36bfd7a621fd67cf4dd5a8cbd632b293:crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dngn/wall/brick_dark_6_11.png 00:04:28 purple and gold 00:05:22 classy 00:05:33 always am 00:05:48 ...except when i drew the water nymph tile 00:06:00 or that elf statue 00:07:28 does gitorious offer downloads of master/HEAD? 00:08:01 yes 00:08:01 the elf statue doesn't look very scandalous to me? 00:08:28 you totes drew some boobage on that mermaid statue though 00:08:38 mm 00:09:00 good prhase 00:09:01 didn't i send you a bunch of my google image search results for "elf princess" 00:09:07 yes 00:09:09 hahahah 00:09:21 quote-unquote reference material 00:10:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939 (34) 00:15:28 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:06 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:32:28 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:34:09 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 00:35:03 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:40:42 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:40:44 hm, I guess CXC is the only server that actually has 0.16 branch on it at the moment 00:42:33 yeah, |amethyst said he can probably do cszo this weekend 00:42:43 but that might include cao as well? 00:42:53 I'm not sure about lld, ckr 00:43:04 oh, has chequers set up cpo? 00:43:26 not yet 00:44:06 elliptic: did you have a timeframe from when you can't run the tournament scripts? 00:44:14 I recall april 1 being mentioned at some point 00:44:48 I don't personally have any constraints like that, no 00:45:56 and I'm not too concerned about servers not having 0.16 yet (there's still over a week before Mar 13 tourney), though maybe we should try to make sure that all the server admins know that 0.16 is branched 00:46:21 oh, is Mar 13 pretty well set as the tournament date, then? 00:46:48 well it hasn't been announced yet (though it could be, rules page is pretty much done) 00:46:56 I don't think we have any problems on the "making packages" side that would delay anything 00:47:26 OS X signing is a problem, but we can get those packages out after release if necessary 00:47:33 but people have generally sounded fairly confident about getting release done by Mar 11 at latest, which would be fine for tourney 00:48:01 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:03 and I haven't heard any objections to the Mar 13-29 schedule 00:48:31 yeah, maybe we just need a crd announcement (don't know if that will even help) and to contact the lld and ckr admins 00:48:35 ??clan 00:48:36 clan[1/3]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/ or crawl.lantea.net, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.15 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 00:48:39 ??clan[2 00:48:39 clan[2/3]: Hosted and maintained by TZer0 00:49:01 also cwz and cln 00:49:11 cwz is the new ckr, right? 00:49:21 yup 00:49:23 I assume cln is clan? 00:49:54 yup again 00:50:38 !tell TZer0 We're looking ot do a release no later than Mar 11 at latest for the 0.16 tourner on Mar 13-29, can you set up 0.16 on clan? 00:50:39 gammafunk: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 00:50:53 ??cwz 00:50:53 cwz[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net/ 00:51:00 !seen hong 00:51:00 I last saw hong at Tue Feb 24 09:05:33 2015 UTC (1w 1d 21h 45m 27s ago) quitting, saying '*.net *.split'. 00:51:09 yeah, I just have the habit of calling clan cln because it is less confusing for tourney 00:52:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:52:32 man, I kind of wish I knew what the heck was all going on in that webzook.net page 00:54:54 I'm planning on having 0.16 on cbro by the weekend 00:55:31 I just need an hour of uninterruption 00:55:37 feels like we may not have anything cool up for April 1st! 00:57:14 basil had some april 1 idea I think, I forget what it was though 00:57:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:57:45 yeah, most of basil's ideas are appropriate for April 1st 01:00:03 dangit gamma your thankbait game is too strong tonight :P 01:00:14 also your good post game 01:01:03 Well Sar is the real master 01:02:07 hmm 01:02:08 :/ 01:02:09 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotype.png 01:02:19 hm 01:02:25 i am uncertain 01:02:27 n1k: I was happy to try out your tavern insult 01:02:30 also PF is not retired. I will not allow it. I don't know what gave you the idea that you were retired or allowed to 01:02:33 good for a scrolling logo for a game coming out in 1995 I think 01:02:40 haha 01:02:45 gammafunk: :) yes, I had to thank that too 01:02:51 like, it's the thing that shows up right before the fancy 320x240 cgi intro animation 01:02:55 you know 01:02:59 yep 01:03:09 something about the aliasing, maybe. 01:03:17 it looks kinda rough. 01:03:18 that "runic" font tho 01:03:33 n1k: anyway sorry but 01:03:36 well the aliasing won't stick around 01:03:37 I'm retiring right now :) 01:03:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 01:03:58 he retires every time he loses an argument with minmay 01:04:05 alternately: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotype2.png 01:04:12 less curviness 01:05:03 * ontoclasm shrugs 01:06:19 I like the curvier one 01:07:33 gammafunk: he waits until he loses? 01:07:37 -!- Ajsh has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:07:59 the only winning move is not to play 01:08:00 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:08:37 zugzwang 01:08:59 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:09:23 fr zugzwang portal where you can't press . 01:09:44 a.k.a necrodancer mode 01:14:59 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:08 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:17:24 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:19:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:23:22 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:22 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:23:22 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:26:37 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:27:53 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:30:56 -!- Wah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:24 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 01:38:26 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:15 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 01:42:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:45:02 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:53:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:56:39 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Quit: Restarting client.] 02:03:30 -!- StoryTime has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:24 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:08:33 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:49 I won't set up 0.16 until it's tagged 02:14:05 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:32 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:18:45 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:26 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939 (34) 02:30:12 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:30:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:32:56 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:42 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:19 chequers: isn't it? 02:47:25 there is 0.16-b1 02:47:43 the final, I mean 02:47:51 ah 02:47:58 why not? 02:50:19 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:55:39 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:01:04 laziness / lack of time 03:01:14 i don't have a good automated build solution yet 03:03:56 ok 03:05:02 as long as it's up for the tourney :) 03:07:25 oh for sure, i'll be back on Monday 03:08:51 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 03:14:17 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:30:18 ?/badwiki 03:30:19 Matching terms (2): badwiki, badwiki_gham_guide; entries (6): arkane_marksperson[1] | eocrawl[2] | gham[1] | gham_guide[1] | splint_mail[3] | wikirobin[1] 03:30:35 controversial change: 03:30:38 !learn del badwiki 03:30:39 Deleted badwiki[1/1]: see {wiki[3]} 03:34:59 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36:33 -!- muravey___ is now known as muravey 03:55:25 -!- category has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:59:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:50 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16:25 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:22 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:48 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39:52 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:40:11 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:36 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:42:47 -!- rast- is now known as rast 04:47:04 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:50:03 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:41 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:52 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:54:52 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:34 -!- SenorDB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:07:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:13:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:26:52 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:31:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:59 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:02:13 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:54 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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ZZZzzz…] 07:50:37 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:50:43 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:52 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:40 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:26 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:05:49 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:12:01 !learn edit wiki[1] s/Semi.official w/W 08:12:02 wiki[1/4]: Wiki for players: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/ 08:15:28 -!- StoryTime has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17:08 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:37:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:56 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:49:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:51:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:31 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 08:53:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:06 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:34 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:21:01 i wonder whether monster_info::description/quote have ever been used 09:21:26 -!- athros has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:22:48 <|amethyst> wheals: hm, maybe it used to be used on some vault monster? 09:23:00 aha, that could make sense 09:23:09 <|amethyst> since they're set from props 09:23:21 that was depreciated a while ago though 09:23:23 yeah, and at one point those descriptions weren't in the db 09:23:31 vault monster descs should go in the db now, and have for a long time 09:23:33 evilmike: dead code?? in crawl's codebase?? :P 09:23:36 :P 09:23:36 heh 09:23:44 <|amethyst> yeah, those two props are never set afaict 09:23:53 <|amethyst> but I haven't checked dat/dlua/ 09:24:42 <|amethyst> yeah, doesn't appear to be set from there either 09:24:44 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25:55 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:26:59 there's a bunch of other stuff that seems like it could be generated just from looking at the type, without being persisted 09:29:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:37 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:32:54 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:51 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:08 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:34:15 i guess a lot of them are necessary for ghosts 09:34:29 but are ghosts themselves necessary 09:34:34 <|amethyst> except ghost has its own struct in there 09:34:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:34:39 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:34:51 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 09:35:00 <|amethyst> oh 09:35:00 which, of course, isn't (un)marshalled for demons (and ugly things etc.) because ??? 09:35:04 !tell wheals a better version of the 9512 patch is uploaded 09:35:05 ebering: OK, I'll let wheals know. 09:35:08 <|amethyst> I see 09:35:09 oh wheals is right here 09:35:21 |amethyst: and remember, it's not a struct, it's a struct wrapped in a union 09:35:21 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:35:24 <|amethyst> monster_info::u.ghost is only for ghost ghost stuff 09:35:34 <|amethyst> not ghost_demon in general 09:35:47 inside an enigma 09:36:14 <|amethyst> could use the same approach for monster_info that we do for item_info 09:36:34 <|amethyst> make it an alias, and have a method or function that strips out the private info 09:36:40 <|amethyst> but 09:36:50 <|amethyst> I kind of like that we can use the type system to avoid info leaks 09:37:11 |amethyst: except can_sinv is for all, and acting_part is not for ghosts at all, but rather for chimeras 09:37:12 <|amethyst> in that you can't pass a monster to a function expecting a monster_info 09:37:33 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, that's dumb 09:38:21 we should probably also get rid of the weird monster_info_base stuff at least? 09:39:12 and, uh, what's up with that = operator 09:39:24 oh, i guess because of the unique_ptrs 09:40:23 <|amethyst> oh 09:40:29 <|amethyst> that's why monster_info_base exists 09:40:40 <|amethyst> to make the copy constructor easier to write 09:41:24 <|amethyst> and that operator= is just a wrapper for the copy constructor but with weird placement new 09:42:06 ah, so the new doesn't allocate any memory here 09:42:56 <|amethyst> yeah 09:43:06 <|amethyst> it constructs an object at a given address 09:43:06 so what exactly would be the problem with the default copy ctor? 09:43:36 <|amethyst> unique_ptr 09:43:45 mm 09:43:53 could we = delete the copy ctor and only have a move one? 09:43:56 <|amethyst> this makes a deep copy of the item_defs 09:44:02 <|amethyst> err 09:44:09 <|amethyst> then you couldn't make a copy of a monster_info 09:44:15 <|amethyst> and I'm pretty sure there are places where we do 09:44:29 fair 09:45:08 <|amethyst> though I'm not sure why we couldn't just store the item_def in the monster_info 09:45:19 <|amethyst> instead of using those unique_ptrs 09:47:32 <|amethyst> oh, I guess null is used for "not preset" 09:49:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:26 <|amethyst> could pull that unique_ptr, and the reset line in the copy ctor, into an optional template class 09:50:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:57 <|amethyst> then you'd have optional inv[...]; in monster_info and could use the default copy ctor 09:51:05 <|amethyst> since that would call optional's copy ctor 09:51:18 <|amethyst> oh, err 09:51:33 how about just a map? 09:51:36 <|amethyst> I guess you might need FixedVector, ...> 09:51:59 or am i missing something that would fail at 09:52:11 <|amethyst> a map feels kind of heavy for nine keys 09:52:38 <|amethyst> but I guess it's probably the same number of mallocs 09:56:01 well, it definitely feels easier to understand what the heck is going on :P 09:59:18 or maybe just a item_def inv[MSLOT_LAST_VISIBLE_SLOT], this seems like way too much premature optimisation :P 10:03:59 <|amethyst> wheals: the problem there is you can't say "there isn't one" 10:04:15 item_def::is_valid()? 10:04:24 <|amethyst> yeah, I was just thinking that 10:04:52 that's what we use in another array of item_defs 10:04:59 mitm, you may have heard of it :) 10:05:06 <|amethyst> :P 10:05:27 <|amethyst> and monster::inv 10:05:37 <|amethyst> well, a FixedVector, but same thing 10:05:55 <|amethyst> better in fact 10:06:08 player::inv; monster::inv is an array of indices into mitm (with NON_ITEM to signal no item) 10:06:15 <|amethyst> oh right 10:06:57 <|amethyst> moving the items into monster_info would triple the size of the structure 10:07:33 oh, i guess that isn't so great :P 10:07:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:00 how does an empty map compare to the array of unique_ptrs? 10:08:16 <|amethyst> well, that's from ~270 bytes to 700ish 10:08:51 ouch 10:08:54 <|amethyst> harder to tell, because that depends on implementation details of map nodes 10:09:10 <|amethyst> <1kb per monster on the map isn't that terrible 10:09:24 still over doubling, though 10:09:46 <|amethyst> (this is for monsters with no equipment) 10:11:37 <|amethyst> maybe I will implement that optional<> 10:11:37 <|amethyst> if it's in one place as a utility class it's not so bad 10:11:37 what?? we're not just going to pull in boost as a dependency? :P 10:11:37 (to be very clear, let's not) 10:11:50 <|amethyst> no, we're going to reimplement parts of boost, badly 10:12:14 <|amethyst> until we have implemented Common Lisp in compile-time templates 10:16:48 -!- mercury^ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:19:25 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:20:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:10 i guess all this answers why those fields are in a struct, to make them easier to copy in the copy ctor 10:24:18 still not sure what the union is for 10:25:45 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:09 -!- mrwooster has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:59 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:33:00 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:39:59 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 10:43:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:59 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 10:45:03 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:45:57 -!- StoryTime has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:49:17 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:51:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:46 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com] 10:54:19 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:44 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 11:01:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:36 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:08:01 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:13 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:48 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:35 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:25:36 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939 (34) 11:33:28 -!- link_108 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:34:59 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:25 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:21 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:45:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:57 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:47:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:47:49 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:29 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:55 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:01:55 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 12:06:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:06 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:22 Why are there 2010-level ballistos in Trunk 12:21:39 It ls literally impossible to clear a level if you leave it 12:24:06 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:25:21 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:02 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:28:35 -!- syraine has left ##crawl-dev 12:28:44 -!- syraine has quit [] 12:30:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32:48 what is a 2010 level ballistos? 12:36:00 <|amethyst> I imagine 'a number of ballistos not seen since 2010'? 12:37:07 was there a change to make them more common? 12:37:24 %git :/[Bb]allis 12:37:24 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3471-g5fdf677: Don't randomise Arena explosion ballisto attitudes (#3846) 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fdf677f2360 12:43:14 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:26 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:53:52 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:34 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:04 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:55:12 -!- utopian095 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:37 -!- tstbtto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:29 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:19 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:54 -!- utopian095 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:09:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:14:54 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:29 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:26:09 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 13:26:39 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:54 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:38:03 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:44:11 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 13:48:59 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:50:07 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:22 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:43 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:57 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:27 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:10 -!- zerkmund2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:25 -!- utopian095 has quit [Quit: I'M OUT] 14:12:02 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:14:43 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:04 -!- _159 has quit [Client Quit] 14:16:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:17:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:38 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:53 -!- _15 has quit [Client Quit] 14:21:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:32 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:55 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:32:36 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:44 ??shield 14:35:45 shield[1/6]: Wearing a shield gives you a chance to block all damage from some attacks, including arrows, melee, and some spells. Shields prevent off-hand attacks, and until you have enough skill they also slow your melee attacks and make it harder to cast spells. They always slow down UC even after the breakpoints. Can't be used with (x)bows in 0.15. 14:35:47 ??shield[2 14:35:48 shield[2/6]: You need 4/15/25 skill to eliminate evasion, melee speed, and casting penalties for bucklers/shields/large shields for normal races, 5/21/- for kobolds and halflings, 7/-/- for spriggans, 2/9/15 for nagas, centaurs, and formicids, -/9/15 for trolls and ogres. 14:35:50 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:37:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38:26 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: YourBNC - (https://yourbnc.co.uk)] 14:38:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:24 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:22 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:15 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:14 -!- zerkmund1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:06 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:50 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:06:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:11:01 !source level_change 15:11:02 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l2949 15:12:31 yay comments... 15:15:44 -!- mumra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:53 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:19:04 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:12 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:58 !lm * recent HE-- rune noun=silver min=turns 15:21:59 360. [2015-03-05 21:20:52] gammafunk the Convoker (L15 HESu of Sif Muna) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 14117. (Vaults:5) 15:23:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:23:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:48 !lg * urune=3 he-- max=sc 15:23:50 536. crate the Faith Healer (L20 HEHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-11-23 13:16:14, with 2691168 points after 26288 turns and 3:10:34. 15:24:16 hehe 15:24:31 nice win tho 15:24:36 !hs crate 15:24:37 772. crate the Impregnable (L27 HOHe of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 14 runes on 2012-04-02 04:05:36, with 23820459 points after 54113 turns and 5:44:49. 15:24:44 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:00 endured the terrible Ely wrath! 15:28:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:25 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:11 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:16 -!- titanjones has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:39:42 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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[2014-10-22 17:20:33] Vidiiot the Purifying Centaur (L15 CeHe of Elyvilon) reached level 5 of the Spider Nest on turn 40076. (Spider:5) 16:22:08 No milestones for * (god.worship=ely lg:god=jiyva won). 16:22:20 <|amethyst> !lm * god.worship=elyvilon lg:god=jiyva won 16:22:21 A sequell wizard could probably rig up a list of all god swaps 16:22:22 12. [2014-08-02 08:07:29] johnnyzero the Shooter (L6 TeAM of Elyvilon) became a worshipper of Elyvilon on turn 3661. (Temple) 16:22:30 "a lot" 16:22:44 <|amethyst> 12 people took ely then won with jiyva, not counting ely starts 16:22:49 <|amethyst> 12 games 16:22:55 !lg * --he won jiyva 16:22:56 10. Vidiiot the Hawkeye (L25 CeHe of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2014-10-23 13:53:39, with 2521588 points after 93726 turns and 4:53:12. 16:23:01 <|amethyst> !lm * ely lg:god=jiyva won s=name,gid 16:23:02 430 milestones for * (ely lg:god=jiyva won): 145x jeanjacques (33x jeanjacques:cdo:20130303135258S, 27x jeanjacques:cdo:20130404181838S, 27x jeanjacques:cdo:20130316140538S, 21x jeanjacques:cdo:20130128182030S, 10x jeanjacques:cdo:20130206131652S, 10x jeanjacques:cdo:20131019115200S, 9x jeanjacques:cdo:20130403195912S, 8x jeanjacques:cdo:20130204015609S), 109x elliptic (64x elliptic:cszo:201302141... 16:23:06 i wonder why people don't do it more 16:23:13 it can only help, right? 16:23:28 !calc (662.0 - 10.0 - 12.0) / 662.0 16:23:29 0.97 16:23:32 <|amethyst> !lm * ely lg:god=jiyva won s=name x=cdist(gid) 16:23:34 430 milestones for * (ely lg:god=jiyva won): 145x jeanjacques [8], 109x elliptic [2], 49x Eat [1], 42x Elynae [1], 37x crate [2], 24x Vidiiot [1], 9x johnnyzero [1], 7x Kozaczu [1], 5x pivotal [1], 2x Surr [1], Wahaha [1] 16:23:51 !lm * trog lg:god=cheibriados won s=name x=cdist(gid) 16:24:17 652 milestones for * (trog lg:god=cheibriados won): 84x fearitself [1], 84x Bloax [2], 80x kroki [1], 69x casmith789 [1], 66x SaintRoka [1], 65x Sky [1], 56x RaptorWrex [1], 49x bart [1], 49x notcluie [1], 38x Yxven [1], 12x rchandra [1] 16:24:29 i should win more berserkers of chei 16:24:55 chequers: well there are plenty of other gods with easy wrath that you can switch to jiyva with 16:25:17 -!- buki_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:19 and most people aren't starting their game with the intention of going jiyva (especially since an altar before slime:6 is far from guaranteed) 16:25:20 something great should happen when a monk joins xom 16:25:36 xom should immediately take 50 actions 16:25:36 so most games that go jiyva are probably converting from a more popular god than ely 16:25:46 A quad damage {god gift} 16:26:12 A slice of pizza {god gift} 16:26:13 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:16 what could be greater than that 16:26:23 a whole pie 16:26:24 A whole pizza {god gift} 16:26:36 too slow 16:26:44 ...quad pizza? 16:26:55 !lm * god.worship noun!=jiyva lg:god=jiyva win s=noun 16:26:56 456 milestones for * (god.worship noun!=jiyva lg:god=jiyva win): 176x Okawaru, 59x The Shining One, 27x Trog, 26x Kikubaaqudgha, 25x Fedhas, 19x Makhleb, 17x Nemelex Xobeh, 16x Vehumet, 13x Zin, 13x Sif Muna, 12x Elyvilon, 10x Yredelemnul, 9x Xom, 8x Cheibriados, 7x Beogh, 6x Lugonu, 5x Ashenzari, 4x Gozag, 3x Dithmenos, Ru 16:27:18 !lm * god.worship noun!=jiyva lg:god=jiyva !win s=noun 16:27:25 700 milestones for * (god.worship noun!=jiyva lg:god=jiyva !win): 200x Okawaru, 55x The Shining One, 41x Ashenzari, 41x Makhleb, 36x Xom, 34x Nemelex Xobeh, 32x Cheibriados, 29x Fedhas, 27x Trog, 27x Kikubaaqudgha, 26x Vehumet, 26x Sif Muna, 25x Elyvilon, 20x Dithmenos, 16x Yredelemnul, 14x Lugonu, 14x Zin, 11x Beogh, 10x Gozag, 8x Ru, 5x Qazlal, Dithmengos, Wulndraste, Igni Ipthes 16:27:28 !lm * god.worship=ru won s=lg:god 16:27:29 260 milestones for * (god.worship=ru won): 245x Ru, 4x, 3x Zin, 2x Qazlal, 2x The Shining One, Ashenzari, Jiyva, Makhleb, Lugonu 16:27:44 !lm * god.maxpiety=ru won s=lg:god 16:27:45 238 milestones for * (god.maxpiety=ru won): 232x Ru, 3x Zin, Lugonu, , Jiyva 16:28:51 leaving chei for jiyva sounds almost like leaving trog to pursue a career in conjurations 16:29:39 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:29:41 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotype3.png 16:29:45 is it somewhere in the philosophy guide why battlespheres dont attack ballstomycete? would appreciate an answer it took me awhile to spell that 16:30:01 or, more ridiculously: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotype4.png 16:30:24 +1 16:31:04 i have to agree with whoever said it looks like it's from a game that was released in, like, 1997 16:31:10 yeah 16:31:32 prince of persia 16:31:48 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:54 I was thinking in that direction. 16:32:41 also where is all the stone 16:33:08 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 16:33:41 in a folder 16:33:50 waiting until i have like 3 hours to slice it all up 16:34:18 must be a huge pie 16:34:34 pizza crawl: stone pizza 16:36:34 dungeon crawl: pizza singularity 16:37:15 a brief history of crawl 16:39:19 i hate how donald can say something after it says i killed him 16:43:07 ontoclasm: Are you using an actual font for this? 16:44:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:06 gammafunk: no 16:46:11 i'm pixelling it 16:46:17 yeah, that was my guess 16:48:48 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:03 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:58:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:58:38 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 16:59:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:56 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: how are you with vector graphics? 17:00:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:00:16 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: IMO if we're going to redo the logo it should be a vector format so we can reproduce it at any scale 17:00:30 -!- caleba has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:31 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: or, alternatively, something like 5000x5000 17:01:02 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:01:16 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:03:31 |amethyst: i can do vector graphics 17:03:42 i was intending to convert whatever i/we come up with to svg 17:04:09 (i'm just used to pixelling so i did that to start with) 17:05:00 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:21 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:16 <|amethyst> cool 17:13:55 amethyst you gotta kick out these idlers maybe then your server wouldnt cost 100 a month 17:14:11 net neutralize their asses 17:18:29 net friendly slime 17:18:41 tbh i don't really like that logo style or the colours 17:19:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:06 "16:24:55 chequers: well there are plenty of other gods with easy wrath that you can switch to jiyva with" 17:19:06 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:19:18 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:19 elliptic: I think the point is that ely doesn't actually have any wrath at all for switching to jiyva 17:19:30 though the difference between "no wrath" and "ely wrath" is admittedly slim 17:19:54 I think the tiles imply a sort of lighter colourset, and I've never felt crawl was purple or gold 17:20:02 <_miek> same with zin/tso wrath 17:20:15 chequers: tbh I think it'd be really cool to have a 'recent new crawl contributors & how you can help' post as a separate thing - I think it could make a good full post on its own 17:20:30 tso wrath isn't super trivial; he can throw angel/daevas at you fairly early 17:20:42 <_miek> yeah but he doesn't give it to you unless you worship someone evil 17:20:43 <_miek> right? 17:20:53 think so 17:20:58 PleasingFungus: have you seen the dolphin monthly progress reports? 17:21:01 nope! 17:21:01 https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2015/03/01/dolphin-progress-report-february-2015/ 17:21:22 they're like your fotnightly dev updates but: more in-depth, less often, name names 17:22:10 ah, that's neat 17:22:23 I should definitely make more of an effort to thank & credit non-dev contributors 17:23:04 the tone of your posts is near perfect imo btw 17:23:18 Not going in 0.16, sadly 17:23:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:29 !banish gammafunk 17:23:30 PleasingFungus casts a spell. gammafunk is cast into the Abyss! 17:23:40 Not going into the abyss, gladly 17:23:46 heh 17:29:23 PleasingFungus: I was aware of the point, yes 17:31:49 my point was that weak wrath isn't that much of a deterrent and that players generally aren't planning ahead to convert to jiyva when they choose a god at temple 17:32:52 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:21 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:33:27 -!- Rarn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34:55 -!- coffee` has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:35:44 chequers: yeah, i was just seeing what i could come up with 17:35:58 -!- hy-on-github has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:19 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:27 is cao down?? 17:36:32 9 seconds since last activity (cao) 17:36:38 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939 (34) 17:42:54 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:46:40 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:49:21 elliptic: ok 17:49:37 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:40 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:58 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 18:25:28 -!- Basil has quit [Client Quit] 18:34:15 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 18:36:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:37:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:29 folks who are collaborators on the steam project, does it give you edit access? 18:37:51 oh I should check 18:37:53 did you add me? 18:38:05 i want in on the collaboration. ideas person. sign me up. 18:38:06 no, let me try 18:38:30 twelwe: this isn't so much ideas as "how does the devteam want to portray itself on steam" 18:38:53 well my idea was put me on the devteam 18:39:38 that's not a decision I'm empowered to make 18:39:54 <_miek> just do some coding 18:40:03 <_miek> I'm sure a smart dude like you can figure ito ut 18:40:17 I can post new announcements, publish, edit links. . . 18:40:33 not a dude. im a demidarwinian 18:40:59 learn my pronouns please 18:41:02 Lasty: can you edit title & description? 18:41:07 I think that's it 18:41:12 no, afaik 18:41:14 twelwe: you're invoking poe's law 18:41:16 <_miek> twelwe: what are the pronouns for that? 18:41:44 oh man, did you ever play Darwinia 18:41:46 that was a good game 18:41:47 i shouldnt have to explain this everywhere i go, its embarassing 18:41:58 "call me they/them" is par for the course, "call me ishmael/moby dick" is Poe's Law territory 18:41:59 s/good// 18:42:13 <_miek> twelwe: such is life, perhaps write a blog post so you can just link to it every time? 18:43:29 <_miek> the entire tavern is an exercise in examining poe's law 18:44:12 I'm a tavern mod just to send things to Yiuf's corner 18:44:22 w0w thats one weird lookin game pleasingfungus 18:44:27 ya 18:44:56 Lasty: if you have any ideas for improving the copy, e-mail me since you can't edit directly :\ 18:45:11 we need a better icon and better screen shots 18:45:14 bh: will do 18:45:50 what do you download on steam when you buy crawl, is it a custom putty client or singleplayer only? 18:46:04 I think the assumption was singleplayer only 18:46:36 when you buy it for free 18:46:44 Patch for playable imps 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9519 by Mattchew 18:46:45 well 18:46:45 offline only 18:47:09 oh, hey, I was planning on implementing something for that 18:47:21 but then i got distracted trying to figure out how to grab the version they had up on gitlab (!?) 18:47:25 pleasingfungus you should implement manafeet as a bad mutation 18:47:39 lose mana when moving in sight of enemies 18:47:42 imps might be interesting. Shouldn't let them wear stasis tho 18:47:48 have it burn them 18:47:59 twelwe: imho things that encourage you to stand in place are lame 18:48:23 <_miek> does steam allow free to play non-freemium? 18:48:24 well, not necessarily as a general rule, but in that specific case I'm not sure the gameplay it encourages would be fun 18:48:25 this encourages you to have more mana, its an interesting decision 18:48:26 bh: where do I find the dcss stuff on steam? 18:48:30 _miek: yes 18:48:34 in at least some cases 18:48:36 we found a few 18:48:51 team fortress 18:48:57 um 18:49:10 <_miek> team fortress has transactions in it 18:49:21 oh yeah 18:49:23 Lasty: I was considering stasis 18:49:24 <_miek> I almost suspect you'd do better putting a small price on it 18:49:34 I suspect that "having stasis on" might be enough of a price in itself 18:49:41 <_miek> I ignore all the free stuff because freemium is worse than buying something 18:49:44 (locked slot + slowed access to tele/blink + no haste, etc) 18:49:45 people buy badrads but would ignore it if its free 18:49:52 PleasingFungus: I just think it's a boring idea. 18:49:59 gammafunk: once you friend me, I can add you as a collaborator 18:50:09 ok, I just accepted an invite 18:50:14 "this race has teleportitis unless you don't feel like it" 18:50:16 _miek: it's going to be free to play, free to win 18:50:47 it's not like "stasis is especially common. it'd be unusually useful for them, but you're going to go through a large part of the game without even access to it 18:51:01 bh: did you ever accept my invite 18:51:05 also -tele artefacts, of course 18:51:14 bh: I'm friends with crawlstonesoup now 18:51:19 ....I think 18:51:32 gammafunk: done. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=402325944 18:51:51 PleasingFungus: what's your steam handle? 18:51:53 maybe change teleport 3 to tele 2 + ignore stasis for uncontrolled teleports 18:51:54 I feel like teleitis is the interesting thing about imps. I wouldn't want octopodes to have amulet of normal equipment slots. 18:52:02 <_miek> bh: I know but there's no distinction between free to play and free to win on steam 18:52:19 There are properly free games on steam 18:52:27 right, but there's no flag for it 18:52:32 imps have several other things going on (resists, size, apts, hp), and it's not an "amulet of normality", it's an "amulet of stasis" 18:52:35 Not sure how those got on there though 18:52:47 "wow, now I'm as strong as a formicid, except without their advantages!" 18:52:54 :shrug: well, that's how I feel about it 18:52:54 bh: it's the one with the rocket ship and the baby in the name 18:52:55 Just because it exists doesn't necessarily mean it's an option for crawl 18:53:06 this is the thing I really dislike about modern crawl design 18:53:22 "oh, a player might be able to find some way to use these two mechanics together to their advantage" 18:53:27 "better add a special case to prevent it" 18:53:40 PleasingFungus: the moose with menorah antlers? 18:53:41 By the way, is it possible to put a link to a webtiles server list into the local tiles menu? 18:53:48 good thing you're retired and don't have to deal with these terrible moderns 18:53:49 Something like "Play online in your browser" 18:53:56 bh: it's a pineappleope, technically 18:53:58 please explain the phrase "modern crawl design" 18:54:01 Lasty: ya exactly 18:54:16 done. the link I sent to gfunk will work for you 18:54:19 neat 18:54:25 will check once I get home 18:54:31 <_miek> chuck a webbrowser into the tiles client using webkit and then allow online play :P 18:54:33 Sorry! 18:54:34 An error was encountered while processing your request: 18:54:38 bh: re that link 18:54:44 gr 18:54:54 gammafunk: are you logged in in your browser 18:54:57 logged into steam * 18:54:58 oh 18:55:01 heh 18:55:02 try this: http://steamcommunity.com/id/crawlstonesoup/myworkshopfiles/?section=greenlight 18:55:02 yeah let me try 18:55:12 also my steam has decided that it's in... norwegian (?) 18:55:24 apparently this is a known bug 18:55:41