00:00:19 another new server? nice 00:01:03 no he's just setting up 0.16 stable 00:01:12 Medar runs cxc 00:01:15 ??cxc 00:01:15 cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 00:01:21 ??cxc[2 00:01:21 cXc[2/2]: Morgues, ttyrecs etc. are at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/. Maintained by Medar and zkyp. 00:01:57 Interesting to see how it handles the tourney 00:02:06 he likes dragons that can open doors a lot, too 00:02:22 -!- AltReality has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:53 SMASH doors 00:03:51 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-b1-0-g6d0517f 00:04:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1-g1f4be75 (34) 00:05:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:05:30 first 0.17-a0 update on a server? 00:05:32 hope nothing breaks. 00:06:05 well, my game loaded at least 00:06:08 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:33 heh, Lasty's lovely DUMMY COMMIT is coming through loud and clear 00:07:36 it'll handle the tourney better than lantea did alone 00:08:12 sad that my pigs won't make it in 0.16 00:08:26 They didn't bring home the bacon, sorry 00:08:41 we could still put in new dragons though 00:08:53 still waiting on ontoclasm I think? 00:09:03 yep 00:09:40 and truthfully other tiles you have that are finished in the next day or so could likewise go in 00:09:47 new tiles really can't break anything 00:09:58 ok well they *could* but they're generally not a problem 00:10:25 Webtiles server restarted. 00:10:54 it's just the pigs and the dragons at this point 00:10:58 Hope I didn't break anything. 00:10:59 I see 0.16 on cxc 00:11:23 well you have a one "Yermak" playing 00:11:26 whoever that guy is 00:11:34 s/a // 00:11:46 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:19 Yermak is my crawlhero 00:15:33 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:16:14 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:23 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:16:40 now that I've beaten PurpleRed's HE rune, I need a new crawl hero, but I'll probably just worship myself 00:21:06 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 00:21:31 !hs * he-- 00:21:32 197147. PurpleRed the Elven Blade (L27 HESk of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-23 09:48:31, with 37104810 points after 39325 turns and 15:43:48. 00:21:53 !lm * he-- rune min=turns 00:22:04 12693. [2015-02-28 17:23:50] gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 7735. (Shoals:5) 00:22:13 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:15 ??item_destruction 00:22:15 item destruction[1/1]: In versions before 0.15, potions can be shattered when you are hit by freezing attacks, and scrolls can be burned when you are hit by fiery attacks. The chance of destruction is per item, so carrying useless items won't shield your valuables. 00:22:28 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:30 just curious, what was the reasons behind removal? 00:22:35 wow, doesn't even reference my commit 00:22:38 oh, that's easy 00:22:40 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:22:44 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:23:02 item destruction was hit by a stray fireball and tragically failed its saving throw 00:23:08 lol 00:23:14 it rolled a 1 00:23:15 %git 4412034ca0e58c61c99658f6d498f3415480dcfa 00:23:15 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-1116-g4412034: Destroy item destruction 10(9 months ago, 14 files, 32+ 260-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4412034ca0e5 00:23:23 mrwooster: that has one more or less 00:23:25 against a finger of death spell 00:23:26 rip 00:23:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:24:16 then I adjusted consumables a bit later 00:24:25 the only actual use of objstat lol objstat 00:24:31 well, aside from fun trivia 00:24:49 item destruction has place in a roguelike that has common ways to prevent it (bags) that also make it mostly your fault if you don't and not something like crawl 00:25:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:25:14 so basically because players found it a PITA… fair :D 00:25:40 i'm still not a huge fan of how weight and item destruction removal removed effectively all caps on what you can keep in your inventory 00:25:40 yeah it rarely achieved anything that simply making fewer items would achieve 00:26:20 well, "all caps"? 00:27:24 I think weight as it was concieved in crawl was just not really salvagable, but I'd concede that some form of item limitation based on slots that was beyond just "they are all full" could work 00:27:32 like, there's no reason to not just wander around with 20 !hw or whatever 00:27:47 well,yes but why does that matter 00:28:04 i feel like it was good how in the past there was a reason to only carry around a handful, while still allowing for using all of the ones on you to not just screw you over hard 00:28:12 I'm ready to rehash this argument for the 27th time 00:28:13 kept them feeling a lot more tactical 00:28:14 I'm excited 00:28:19 haha 00:28:21 I think some fresh new perspectives are going to come to the surface 00:28:25 PleasingFungus: can I say, before you begin 00:28:26 some real revelations, right here, tonight 00:28:29 in ##crawl-dev. 00:28:30 that your are completely wrong 00:28:32 not saying that weight or item destruction should come back 00:28:34 doy: the thing is, you aren't going to use 20 !hw in one fight, so carrying 20 isn't really different from carrying 2 00:28:49 except in abyss, pan, and zigs, which don't exist 00:29:51 ill just pretend I never asked the questions and crawl back into my corner 00:30:05 !lg Jazzimus Na-- Chei -log 00:30:06 10. Jazzimus, XL27 NaWz, T:518145: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jazzimus/morgue-Jazzimus-20150209-095020.txt 00:30:12 mrwooster: dwi 00:30:19 er 00:30:23 *don't worry about it 00:30:26 item destruction would make sense to me if you couldn't drop items, but as long as you can drop items and they aren't destroyed by dropping them, it doesn't really do much except reduce the overall number of consumables in the game slightly 00:30:27 so I guess dwai? 00:30:41 I got to show off my commit 00:30:45 B - 118 scrolls of recharging d - 1203 javelins of penetration (quivered) 00:30:47 hilarious 00:31:09 where'd you get 1203 javelins of penetration 00:31:18 “The game lasted 4days” 00:31:23 oh 00:31:25 jazz 00:31:26 yeah, i was thinking more along the lines of stacking caps or something, rather than bringing back item destruction 00:31:27 yeah who cares about him 00:31:30 he's not even playing crawl 00:31:33 but i haven't particularly thought this through much 00:31:44 it was suggested, tried, and rejected 00:31:45 or care enough about the issue to put effort into thinking it through 00:31:47 so 00:31:49 doy: we tried caps at first for large rocks 00:31:53 it was pretty annoying 00:32:04 man and I went through a lot of effort to implement them 00:32:08 and then got to delete all that 00:32:10 more annoying than weight-based caps? 00:32:22 doy: well what happened was, they mulch, right? 00:32:25 wouldnt a cap just encourage you to refill that if possible after you use the consumable 00:32:31 so you throw one it breaks 00:32:37 oh, now back to shoals:3 00:32:40 since I can pick up another 00:32:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:49 The build has errored. (master - 1f4be75 #1875 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/52844271 00:32:50 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:32:50 i don't see how this is different from weight 00:32:51 a stacking cap is basically the same as having item destruction in the game except without the one actually meaningful thing that item destruction did 00:32:58 well yes, and we removed weight 00:33:12 doy: yeah, that's one of the several reasons weight was a bad system 00:33:12 daily reminder: might and statue form not working for ranged combat is dumb 00:33:24 agreed that ranged combat is dumb 00:33:34 PleasingFungus: woah, you agree with that? 00:33:39 ya 00:33:41 I'm bitter 00:33:47 i guess this is what i get for disappearing for several versions 00:34:11 oh so that's just fake agreement 00:34:35 I do have fun using blowguns at least 00:34:54 ranged combat is dumb yeah, but might/statue form failing to work on it makes it even dumber 00:35:05 blowguns are ok but ranged combat as a primary combat method isn't great 00:35:07 I think 00:35:21 yeah, I mean I didn't realize exactly why until dck made that post 00:35:22 I'm slowly coming to believe that it shouldn't be a thing in crawl 00:35:33 ranged combat as a secondary combat method is much worse than ranged combat as a primary combat method IMO 00:35:46 PleasingFungus: I think if it functioned in some kind of limited wand-like capaciity or something but 00:35:52 we already have wands, tho. 00:36:02 and rods. 00:36:02 and decks, and 00:36:02 yeah 00:36:37 I guess like minmay said if it was something you had to use exclusively 00:36:46 but then it sounds even more painful 00:37:12 well ammo is the main reason people hate playing with it 00:37:21 free basic ammo like crawl-lite 00:37:23 and there's too much ammo for it to be a meaningful mechanic 00:37:52 and if you reduce ammo supply enough that it's meaningful then whoops you have 5 wand skills 00:38:24 evoke a wand of greater smite 00:38:29 the other alternative that's been discussed is providing infinite free basic ammo 00:38:31 so, infinite always-mulch ammo, with brands only on launchers? 00:38:33 (pproj+triple xbow) 00:38:40 so it's either "melee without positioning" or "fake wands" 00:38:45 right 00:38:48 neither of which is interesting imo 00:38:55 hold on hold on 00:39:07 * gammafunk stops moving. 00:39:10 I don't think it's "without positioning", since you still need to kite 00:39:14 infinite "free basic ammo" is silly, why not just get rid of ammo altogether? conserving ammo is the entire problem with it 00:39:50 its pretty crazy there are 4 skills for ranged combat too 00:39:55 I mean conjurations have the same problem but at least they sort of *care* 00:40:17 http://crawl.develz.org/learndb/#badcrd #3 00:40:25 only tangentially relevant 00:40:26 mrwooster: I don't think having 4 ranged weapon classes is any worse than having 7 melee weapon classes 00:40:36 chequers: it's melee without position until the monster is adjecent, then it's melee with positioninng because you're using actual melee 00:41:07 for the amount that ranged weapons get used…. 00:41:24 at least slings should be throwing 00:41:41 I assume there would be riots about removing cehu, the friendly newbie combo, but can ammo at least not be a thing 00:41:51 -!- Gale_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:59 here's the dckpost for reference https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13000&p=181929#p181929 00:42:37 usually he's an idiot but this one is mostly accurate 00:43:12 ouch 00:43:44 hey you've thanked a lot of dck posts I bet 00:44:07 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:44:13 not that I'd defend dck's conversational style that much 00:44:24 tbh I'd be honestly tempted to remove ce, hu, and slings/bows/xbows as player-equippable weapons (monster only) 00:44:27 most dck posts i thank are for that exact conversational style 00:45:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not javelins/large rocks/etc ? 00:45:04 that's because you're a bad person, minmay 00:45:23 |amethyst: they don't have most of the problems that ranged weapons have 00:45:26 how about this: the more times you shoot your bow/crossbow/large rock arm/sling without taking other actions in between, the stronger it is 00:45:29 in terms of UI & playstyle encouraged 00:45:50 PleasingFungus: I disagree with that, I think throwing is pretty much the same as launchers 00:46:25 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:46:36 PleasingFungus: you have more than enough ammo for everything dangerous, you melee junk so that you don't run out by using it on junk 00:47:02 yeah I'd agree that not having launchers doesn't fundamentally change the problem, but launchers make the balance worse. tbf I'm not sure how they play out in terms of what ranged method is most ridiculous when 00:47:20 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 00:47:32 <|amethyst> the problem with launchers specifically being that you have to press ' ? 00:47:34 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:38 there's no fiddly swapping between melee weapon & launcher with throwing weapons, there's less ammo in general, I think (though I'd have to run the numbers wrt mulching) 00:47:56 there is less ammo 00:48:05 man, this sort of conversation makes me glad I'm retired and don't have to worry about this shit. 00:48:13 because the yaktaur/centaur equivalent of throwing does not exist 00:48:18 orcish mines 00:48:22 <|amethyst> Shoals 00:48:27 except cyclopes/stone giants 00:48:27 also true 00:48:36 oh right javelineers exist 00:48:52 <|amethyst> only half the time! 00:48:52 at least it's found on one of the most dangerous enemies in the game 00:49:23 here comes the minmaying..... 00:49:47 he's dead when I tell dck that he said 00:49:57 that's like the entire 4chan army that will come after him 00:50:27 PleasingFungus: like I would bother with bloax lol 00:50:43 PleasingFungus: he doesnt pose the imminent danger to crawl development that crawl devs do 00:50:57 a real and present danger... 00:50:58 ...wow 00:51:17 I guess that's the dunk of the month vs. the dev team 00:51:17 I'm joking, christ 00:52:29 PleasingFungus: I'm sorry, but I can't help hope that the first new game you make is just great, but then you learn that the really good player you choose to run the new forums is actually minmay 00:52:34 why would jokes make bad dunks 00:53:11 anyway a good way to make ranged combat less bad with minimum effort would be to make ammo always destroyed on impact 00:53:49 I remember the discussion, yes. it's still nontrivial 00:53:50 this is a bit bad on curare kobolds but basically doesn't hurt anything else 00:53:57 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:54:00 ya basically 00:54:20 an improvement but does require tweaking 00:54:44 I'm unmoved by the stone giant/cyclops arguments 00:55:34 what arguments 00:55:38 I thought the plan there was to not multiply large rocks like everything else 00:55:43 large large rock nerf 00:55:49 to compensate for the buff they recently got, obv 00:56:22 I don't think that actually matters either way 00:56:34 so what if people no longer run cyclopes/stone giants out of ammo 00:56:52 so what if throwing on ogres/trolls is slightly less ridiculously better than throwing on everyone else 00:57:39 v0v 00:58:21 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 00:59:53 I really think the biggest change is kobolds 01:00:14 also did i really make the fungus man retire 01:00:37 ...no? 01:06:10 "you've buffed one too many things, rookie. I'm going to have to ask for your badge" "no, you can't do this!" "i can and I will damnit! After you nerfed cyclops throwing you left me with no choice. Now, your IDE and your badge." *stares at development chief before throwing down sublime text 2 and cardboard cutout Boulder Badge and storming out* 01:06:19 !learn del mummy[2] 01:06:19 Deleted mummy[2/7]: Your oklob plant has a weird expression for a moment. 01:06:21 good. 01:06:24 wait noo 01:06:25 oh 01:06:32 nooo :( 01:06:32 !learn add mummy[2] Your oklob plant has a weird expression for a moment. 01:06:32 mummy[2/7]: Your oklob plant has a weird expression for a moment. 01:06:39 ??learndb 01:06:39 learndb[1/9]: http://lookupdb.guy.ht/ for a convenient online interface for the learndb. 01:06:42 -!- calebae has quit [Client Quit] 01:06:42 I mean, that can't happen anymore, I think 01:06:44 i guess thats probably up to date now 01:06:46 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:06:53 i was trying to remove Try a wand of enslavement or summons to handle the regular sort. It'll let you avoid the death curse. 01:06:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:06:59 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:07:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 01:14:21 -!- calebae has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:19:00 !learn swap mu mummy[3] 01:19:01 mu[1], mummy[7] => mummy[1], mu[7] 01:19:08 uh 01:19:10 ??mummy[3] 01:19:10 I don't have a page labeled mummy[3] in my learndb. 01:19:19 that is not what I wanted 01:19:22 !learn swap mu mummy 01:19:22 mu[7], mummy[1] => mummy[7], mu[1] 01:19:32 !learn mv mu[1] mummy[3] 01:19:33 mu[1] -> mummy[3/8]: Mummy PCs do not need to eat food to survive. They also resist necromantic and cold attacks, are immune to poison, but vulnerable to fire. Also, they get permanent necro magic enhancers at xl13 and 26. Lastly, they cannot drink potions, change form or go berserk. According to syrion, PC mummies use bladders for firing blowguns. 01:19:37 !learn del mummy[4] 01:19:38 Deleted mummy[4/8]: see {mu} 01:19:44 !learn add mu see {mummy[3]} 01:19:44 mu[1/1]: see {mummy[3]} 01:20:07 ??mummy[4] 01:20:07 mummy[4/7]: Spells player mummies can't use: regeneration, revivification, symbol of torment, death's door, stoneskin, alistair's intoxication, any form-changing spell (including blade hands and necromutation), and spells that would have no useful effect such as cure poison. 01:20:12 good reference to symbol of torment 01:20:38 ??mennas[$ 01:20:39 mennas[6/6]: !lm chloroauric noun=mennas 2 -tv:<0.5:x0.5 01:20:41 ??mennas[-2 01:20:41 mennas[5/6]: Here: Mennas, wielding a glowing eudemon blade and wearing a dull large shield 01:20:45 oh, guess its gone 01:21:19 !tell MarvinPA cTele ctele CTELE cccccccttttttteeeeeeellllllleeeeee 01:21:19 minmay: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:21:30 !learn edit mummy[4] s/, symbol of torment/ 01:21:31 mummy[4/7]: Spells player mummies can't use: regeneration, revivification, death's door, stoneskin, alistair's intoxication, any form-changing spell (including blade hands and necromutation), and spells that would have no useful effect such as cure poison. 01:22:17 why can't they cast alistair's anyway... 01:22:24 or regeneration 01:22:35 ghouls can cast alistair's and regen just fine 01:26:06 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:28:18 "By the numbers trog doesn't seem to stand out that much; he only has a middle-of-the-pack winrate among non-zealots played by greatplayers who have winrate>10% (restricted to those players in an attempt to weed out speedruns)" 01:29:27 !lg greaterplayers !be god=trog !boring s=name 01:29:28 1625 games for greaterplayers (!be god=trog !boring): 158x minmay, 92x Elynae, 77x ophanim, 70x Surr, 70x 78291, 65x nago, 59x WalkerBoh, 53x NyaaKitty, 51x elliptic, 50x magistern, 43x jeanjacques, 38x hyperbolic, 31x MorganLeah, 30x Pac, 29x agentgt, 29x pivotal, 28x bmfx, 28x MarvinPA, 27x mikee, 26x lessens, 26x MrPlanck, 26x danharaj, 25x HilariousDeathArtist, 25x reid, 25x Thrkk, 24x DrKe, 2... 01:31:35 mummies probably can't cast regen just because it would be a no brainer 01:31:37 especially with sif 01:32:43 are you talking about the hunger cost? 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ZZZzzz…] 08:06:03 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 08:07:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:08:19 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:09:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:53 -!- twiler has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:26:16 argh, right, lion was never available except as a preinstall. snow leopard + xcode 4.2 needed... 08:28:53 of course it was 08:30:31 no idea why you would need any of that though 08:30:32 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:34:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:01 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:43:36 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:43:44 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:43:57 !tell johnstein 0.16 on cbro when ;) 08:43:57 wheals: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 08:47:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:17 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 08:54:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:00:04 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:00:23 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:27 !seen dpeg 09:06:27 I last saw dpeg at Sat Feb 28 02:28:17 2015 UTC (3d 12h 38m 10s ago) saying 'Many monsters would be more interesting at speeds >10, I think... but one step after the other.' on ##crawl-dev. 09:10:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:01 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:20:21 huh damnation card directly checks your evo skill and nemelex piety for its effectiveness, instead of using actual card power 09:20:22 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:20:24 weird 09:21:06 is that an issue in nem wrath? 09:21:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:16 -!- FierceOmelette has quit [Quit: :wqa[ll]!] 09:22:55 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:23:19 not sure, i guess actually it sort of works better this way around in that respect because it makes it be cast at lower power under nem wrath 09:23:45 so more likely to banish you rather than monsters 09:24:08 whereas if you abandon then card power becomes based on your xl, so it could have quite high power 09:25:50 (but that only became the case relatively recently, in the past wrath cards always got cast at really low card power i think) 09:31:03 huh can flying monsters not be shafted? 09:35:42 also monsters with no weight apparently 09:41:30 fr: race without weight 09:41:51 space race 09:42:39 that would ruin my dungeon immersion 09:43:17 aren't exoelves from space? 09:43:29 i don`t know 09:44:04 let me read what i typed i might have said that 09:45:20 good god you guys changed so much from .15 to .16 its like a whole new world as disney would say 09:45:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:45:31 a brand new place i`ve never been 09:45:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:21 who came up with goblin toss? very triggering 09:48:25 oh and player weight does still affect your chance to be shafted 09:48:31 twelwe: hi 09:48:32 which seems sort of odd when you're flying above the shaft 09:48:38 that's dumb 09:48:46 I remember mentioning that the other day 09:48:48 hidy 09:48:58 I came up with goblin toss. 09:49:07 MarvinPA: um yes please remove 09:49:10 // Depending on total (body + equipment) weight, give monsters 09:49:10 // and player a chance to escape a shaft. 09:49:10 if (x_chance_in_y(140, triggerer.body_weight())) 09:49:16 good reference to equipment weight 09:49:20 ya 09:49:35 mountain hobgoblin hahaha 09:49:42 tiny players are weight 150 for reference, medium are 550 09:50:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:50:09 twelwe: :) 09:50:10 MarvinPA: IMO replace it with whatever it was for humans 09:50:25 Robin says, "We wiped out the hill dwarves - you're next!" 09:50:32 call it "spriggan nerf" 09:50:36 pretty much 1/4 chance for humans to save i guess 09:50:39 er 09:50:41 "felid buff" 09:50:45 wheals: "ogre nerf" 09:51:01 MarvinPA: oh 550 was human, yeah just change to 1/4 09:51:03 other way around surely? 09:51:38 oh right, "spriggan nerf" was right 09:51:41 here we go again. ogres are not heavy they are LARGE. 09:51:53 no, that's the chance to break 09:52:15 right, so spriggans are more likely to break and not get shafted 09:52:21 (currently) 09:52:33 oh yeah 09:53:05 twelwe: low-density ogres. cloud ogres 09:53:26 theres the weightless species wheals 09:53:37 cloud ogres. sounds great. code it up. 09:53:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:54:04 I have a suspicion that's what mpa is doing 09:54:33 ogres... in space 09:54:39 he's also making spriggans denser 09:54:49 not sure what that makes them 09:54:57 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 09:55:14 ogremaet spriggans 09:55:25 low int spriggans? :p 09:56:35 -!- lak is now known as lakzzz 09:56:39 i have a notebook here that shows me how to close doors now. anything else i better know about so i don`t get screwed out of another hard fought level 3 character? 09:56:57 you guys changed too much 09:58:11 the +5 trident "Z" i mean what the hell. what the hell.... 09:58:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:22 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:23 -!- lakzzz has quit [Client Quit] 09:59:42 -!- Nerem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:49 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:49 twelwe: that name is quite old 10:02:23 yeah you guys take out mountain dwarves but keep dumb stuff like Z. what the hell 10:02:36 What's wrong with Z. 10:02:46 well its only the LAST letter 10:03:18 very triggering 10:03:30 you ever been picked last in sports? 10:03:31 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:03:59 no comment 10:04:12 also, the randart name Z is pre-stone-soup, apparently 10:06:50 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:11:33 single letter artifact names are cool 10:11:39 i was thinking of some awesome steam achievements. you guys realize the importance of those right? 10:11:50 obv 10:11:58 dont forget trading cards 10:12:04 @ card 10:12:07 one for every unique imo 10:12:14 on an unrelated note, I'm not sure that anyone is actually working on or taking action toward crawl being put on steam. 10:12:28 so? its good to be prepared 10:12:33 yeah i guess youd need to go through greenlight 10:12:54 is there something that breaks if dowan and duvessa get put on different dungeon levels, apparently they can't fall through shafts 10:13:19 minmay knows all the things those two fuckers can and cant do. sorry for swearing again. but its true, he tried it all 10:13:40 wheals: did we tag already? 10:13:40 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:14:01 johnstein: yes 10:14:03 it's been hard for me to keep up with the current plans 10:14:13 thought it was going to be on Saturday 10:14:24 We abruptly tagged last night 10:14:28 I think it's to make it harder for them to get separated across multiple levels (which I think? prevents the death buff from triggering) - presumably the same reason they won't go up stairs separately 10:14:32 why? 10:14:33 though with shafts it's weirder 10:14:43 johnstein: we're in beta now 10:16:05 wheals I have no clue when I'll do 0.16. I can't react fast 10:16:19 was planning on doing it saturday 10:16:31 no stress 10:16:46 I just wish it was easier to stay up to date 10:18:07 johnstein: putting 0.16 branch up on saturday is completely fine 10:18:35 we aren't actually releasing until at least then 10:19:03 johnstein you can use newsgroups to stay up to date on the latest topics 10:19:19 crd? 10:20:31 I wonder if someone should send something to crd 10:21:08 probably someone should actually pick a planned release date and send it to crd, yeah 10:22:15 I don't know exactly what all has to be done before release with binaries and last-minute bugfixes and all, but I'd suggest sometime between Mar 8 and Mar 11 as the target day 10:22:52 target for 0.16 release? 10:22:56 yes 10:23:21 On that timeline, what would the tourney start-date be? March 13? 10:23:28 yes 10:23:52 Seems reasonable to me 10:24:16 the largest problem I know of at present is figuring out a way to get a signed binary for os x - cheq' kindly volunteered to make a 10.9 binary, but he doesn't have a developer account and so can't sign it 10:24:41 if people don't think release by Mar 11 is a good idea for other reasons then it and the tourney can be pushed back of course 10:25:18 possibly just posting a request on reddit would be enough to solve this problem 10:28:51 -!- tstbtto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:33:42 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:33:45 I can't sign anything either fwiw. am still considering buying a dev account, problem being it wouldn't get that much use 10:34:13 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:35:16 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-2-g8b1fb44: Let shafts work on flying monsters, remove save based on body weight 10(42 minutes ago, 5 files, 11+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b1fb446bf6e 10:35:18 I considered it briefly, but it seems really silly to buy a dev account just for this, ya 10:35:35 already, 0.17 has important advantages over 0.16... 10:35:41 how will we get people to play in the tournament now?? 10:35:42 starting out 0.17 with the important exciting stuff, yes 10:36:14 well, I have slightly more use for it than just DCSS, but not much 10:39:22 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:34 IMO that is a bugfix and could be cherry-picked 10:39:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:24 Scroll of brand weapon on unIDed weapon gives poor messages. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9515 by elliptic 10:40:24 Reading scroll of magic mapping in abyss wastes the scroll and a turn for no effect. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9514 by elliptic 10:41:20 probably yeah 10:46:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 10:50:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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