00:00:31 http://i.imgur.com/S7QvVyy.png this is before my trap rework 00:00:37 also I'm pretty sure it's literally running out of trap slots 00:00:50 which is hilarious 00:01:31 <|amethyst> hm 00:01:31 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:01:37 <|amethyst> I only counted 85 there 00:02:32 hm, MAX_TRAPS is 400 00:02:32 <|amethyst> I guess that's not the full screen though 00:02:41 the screenshot I sent is the full map 00:04:48 anyway I have no idea what's going on and blame SUBST/subvault witchcraft 00:04:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:05:02 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3921-g54f6eed (34) 00:05:15 oh wait no I see 00:05:42 assuming the SUBSTs in tomb_2 are applied before the subvaulting 00:05:48 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:06:09 I don't really know how subvaulting works 00:06:24 anyway I guess someone should fix that 00:06:29 <|amethyst> I don't think substs in a parent vault apply to subvaults 00:06:43 <|amethyst> I don't think it would be a good idea for that to happen 00:07:18 I guess 00:07:31 idk. the inner vault should probably be allowed to have traps, in this case? 00:07:37 I wonder 00:07:37 <|amethyst> and even if it did, none of the Tomb:2 subvaults use '"T 00:07:42 they do use . 00:08:04 <|amethyst> I don't see any SUBST for . in tomb_2 00:08:27 oh 00:08:28 I misread that 00:08:31 no you're right 00:08:32 hm 00:09:03 %git 593798c0f8d6d2e78766cffd01379ebfda45cfbf 00:09:03 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-256-g593798c: Subvault support for Tomb. 10(12 months ago, 1 file, 250+ 130-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=593798c0f8d6 00:09:57 possibly inner tomb never had traps and I'm crazy 00:10:17 <|amethyst> it probably can have randomly-generated ones, since I don't see a no_trap_gen 00:10:31 well 00:10:33 <|amethyst> but it does look like the outside is intended to have a lot more 00:10:59 random trap gen runs after vault trap gen, and doesn't place traps if the vaults have already placed "enough" 00:11:07 <|amethyst> ah 00:11:11 <|amethyst> wasn't aware of that 00:11:21 I will admit that's new to me 00:12:03 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:12:08 !source dungeon.cc:3310 00:12:09 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc;hb=HEAD#l3310 00:12:18 I added the dprf but the functionality predates me 00:12:30 uh, I guess 3303 is a better line to start on 00:14:01 oh man, it had a comment at some point 00:14:09 I wonder who deleted it 00:14:23 %git 673bdae75 00:14:24 07peterb1202 * 673bdae75485: Initial revision 10(10 years ago, 183 files, 153322+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=673bdae75485 00:14:26 oh 00:14:28 haha 00:14:41 so anyway that functionality is as old as slime 00:14:49 the random level traps getting pre-empted by vault traps thing 00:15:00 and by slime I don't mean Slime 00:15:45 smiling slimes? 00:15:49 :) 00:19:05 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:05 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:45 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:17 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:30 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:38:34 !tell dpeg I can't believe you removed plastic amulets from crawl (6 years ago) !!!!!!!! 00:38:34 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 00:39:17 are the features frozen yet 00:39:41 it's still technically tuesday in some parts of the world 00:39:43 like here 00:39:45 why 00:39:51 text tweak 00:40:06 man that's not even the sort of thing a feature freeze would block, probably 00:40:12 are you going to create bugs 00:40:25 gonna remove Fo 00:40:28 o 00:40:43 bug destruction 00:40:45 ya 00:40:56 I didn't know how to say it without stepping on your joke 00:41:03 but now that you've made it clear, go ahead 00:41:06 !lg * fo 00:41:07 59537. Gekkouka the Shield-Bearer (L7 FoFi of Ru), blasted by an orc wizard (puff of flame) on D:7 on 2015-02-04 06:08:24, with 599 points after 3213 turns and 0:06:45. 00:41:12 dang, lotta bugs 00:41:32 gonna ru the day 00:43:18 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:23 // Crawl has stat-death code and I don't see why we shouldn't be using it 00:45:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]] 00:48:17 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:48:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:38 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 00:51:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:51:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:59:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:02:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:02:49 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:03:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:23 -!- rgould has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:01 -!- Adder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:41 03ChrisOelmueller02 {Sage} 07* 0.16-a0-3922-g7e2cf2e: Make Ctrl-X title more consistent 10(67 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e2cf2ea22c5 01:19:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:19:13 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:53 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:19:55 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 01:21:44 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:23:05 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:49 ooh abyss effect is cool 01:33:55 I hadn't seen it till tonight 01:36:11 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:25 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:55:56 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:56:43 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:11 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:31 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:09:56 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 02:17:05 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:21:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:43 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 02:22:11 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3922-g7e2cf2e (34) 02:31:42 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:23 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:35:23 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 02:36:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:36:38 -!- Vipe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:04:47 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05:24 FR: fake_lang = scum 03:05:41 You scum the sheep! 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06:52:30 dpeg: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:52:44 -!- twzt has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:53:09 -!- causative_ has left ##crawl-dev 06:54:34 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 06:54:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:05 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:00:08 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:00:23 -!- speranza_ is now known as speranza 07:00:58 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:19 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:08:48 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 07:12:03 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:36 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:36:35 gurlugon (L20 DDNe) ERROR in 'mon-act.cc' at line 2959: infinite handle_monsters() loop, mons[0 of 9] is ghoul (Crypt:1) 07:39:20 -!- scoutz0r has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:42:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:42:58 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43:21 gurlugon (L20 DDNe) ERROR in 'mon-act.cc' at line 2959: infinite handle_monsters() loop, mons[0 of 15] is ghoul (Crypt:1) 07:43:27 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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Use !messages to read them. 10:06:33 <|amethyst> that sounds really annoying 10:06:42 i thought it always was? 10:06:44 <|amethyst> if a monster is around, it takes more time? 10:07:06 yeah, not really ideal 10:07:18 i should pester pf, he added a delay once 10:08:29 <|amethyst> confirm_butcher = never actually makes things worse for you 10:08:35 anyway what I was interested in at the beginning was changing it to do (1) iterate through all the corpses first and ask the player which one(s) to chop (2) do everything else 10:09:02 <|amethyst> since confirm_butcher = never makes it take one turn per corpse 10:09:02 but this time stuff should be changed one way or another to make more sense also 10:09:28 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 10:09:29 <|amethyst> Hm 10:09:32 I actually don't mind chopping multiple corpses at once still taking 1.0 time, but it shouldn't give free autopickup for everything on the square 10:09:53 and yeah if confirm_butcher = never makes it take more time then that is bad too 10:09:55 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:10:17 <|amethyst> How hard would a revert be at this point? 10:10:36 %git 4069d43c 10:10:37 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-2667-g4069d43: Make butchering/bottling single-turn. 10(2 months ago, 10 files, 61+ 240-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4069d43c7fa5 10:10:37 <|amethyst> Revert, then change the timing to something more like 1 turn per corpse instead of the old numbers 10:11:20 <|amethyst> Speaking of weird delay timing, there's also a bug with dropping equipped items 10:11:35 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9461 10:11:54 <|amethyst> I tried fixing it, but that made multidrop take the wrong amount of time 10:12:39 i was hoping to make multidrop also one-turn at some point but it seemed harder than i expected too 10:13:28 <|amethyst> if it weren't for equipped items it would be a lot simpler to do 10:13:37 yup 10:13:37 <|amethyst> wouldn't even need a delay 10:15:51 that commit doesn't look that bad to revert unless I'm missing something 10:16:38 I'm not great with delays though 10:17:14 yeah, looks like no big changes to butcher.cc since 10:22:29 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:28:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:51 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:38:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:38:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41:07 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:54 ArcaneRedneck (L20 OgFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster Meduahov failed to pathfind to (39,12) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 10:48:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:07 yo wheals 10:49:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:39 wheals: the only vault that I know of using ^ is hall_of_Zot. sadly, it's hall_of_Zot 10:49:51 (I found this out when it was placing dart traps after darts were removed) 10:50:04 i don't know if ~ or ^ are more dangerous on Zot:5 10:50:15 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:32 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:50:37 I think probably ^, since mechanical traps are weighted higher in ~. not sure but that's what I'd suspect 10:50:51 that said, probably a custom weighting for the vault would make more sense 10:51:11 it could just be the current weighting, really 10:51:14 just in vault syntax 10:51:24 sure 10:51:36 I don't think it's something you'd want in many places - I don't think it has to be a reserved glyph 10:51:40 just a project for someone 10:51:47 anyway, I came in here for another reason 10:51:52 idk who has source access right now 10:54:12 Draconians are able to train armor at -100 aptitude after sacrificing "skill" with Ru 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9467 by Piginabag 10:54:15 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:54:20 hahah 10:54:29 kik 10:54:30 lol 10:54:33 I didn't see that coming 10:54:37 hm 10:54:39 fe... 10:54:42 -!- AtomikKrab has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:59 a!tell marvinpa http://i.gyazo.com/08c6c00f9bf09be86f0945b674bb14ba.png looks like 5b960bf62 had some unintended consequences (ignore the butts) 10:55:01 ugh 10:55:06 !tell marvinpa http://i.gyazo.com/08c6c00f9bf09be86f0945b674bb14ba.png looks like 5b960bf62 had some unintended consequences (ignore the butts) 10:55:07 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 10:55:36 Speaking of if anyone has access to commit right now, the push to remove healing from zombies also blocks all healing 10:55:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3923-gbee44e4: Revert "Don't allow zombies/skeletons to be healed" 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bee44e4008e9 10:55:49 it's just an inverted if statement 10:55:51 reminds me of how once monsters shooting at glowing players could miss with mdart 10:55:57 hah, nm 10:56:04 thanks, PleasingFungus 10:56:05 !tell marvinpa also I reverted the zombie healing thing because it didn't work and I don't have time to fix it; sorry 10:56:05 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 10:56:24 aight 10:56:27 I think just putting a ! at the beginning of that statement would fix it, but I didn't have time to test this morning 10:56:28 %git 5b960bf62 10:56:28 07MarvinPA02 * 0.16-a0-3915-g5b960bf: Allow monsters to shout when alerted if already awake 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b960bf62b9c 10:56:32 good 10:56:33 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:39 noisy dungeon 10:56:47 give josephine a pack of jiangshi 10:56:47 0.16: version of noise 10:56:50 That's a really good commit 10:56:55 it's well-intended 10:56:57 anyway 10:56:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]] 10:57:04 what was alerting them in this case I wonder? 10:57:13 I meant that the good intentions were good 10:57:13 alert code is weird 10:57:47 I think what's happening there is that each monster is being repeatedly alerted by the other monsters waking up 10:59:52 ??josephine 10:59:53 josephine[1/1]: A necromancer with a different spell set: Ghostly Fireball, Vampiric Draining, Animate Dead, Dispel Undead. Also has rN+++. A bit like a weaker {revenant}, but spawning much earlier in the game. 11:00:12 so it would just "break" josephine because ghostly fireball wouldn't heal her zombies? 11:00:23 <|amethyst> could just remove her GF 11:00:24 IMO that is fine 11:01:01 they are still immune to the GF, right? and it still heals herself? 11:01:13 Josephine (16@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 69 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1060 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d16), vampiric draining, animate dead, dispel undead (3d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:01:13 %??josephine 11:01:14 <|amethyst> I don't think it would heal her either way 11:01:25 we should probably make her undead already 11:01:31 oh, somehow I thought that she had been made undead 11:01:45 <|amethyst> just rN+++ 11:01:45 instead of just having weird rN+++ 11:01:49 <|amethyst> %git 5871f7d 11:01:50 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3395-g5871f7d: Spice up Josephine 10(11 months ago, 2 files, 15+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5871f7d3d396 11:02:05 don't we have a policy against giving uniques of player species weird resists like that? 11:02:26 I thought we went through and removed those a while back 11:02:30 <|amethyst> I know that's why Fannar gets so much equipment 11:02:33 Nergalle (16o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 60 | AC/EV: 9/11 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 804 | Sp: b.draining (3d18), sum.spectral orcs, haste other, death's door [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:02:33 %??nergalle 11:02:40 and nergalle no longer has rF+ rC+ 11:02:44 <|amethyst> but I'm not really sure why such a rule is necessary 11:02:52 <|amethyst> surely not "player-monster consistency" 11:03:06 i don't care personally but it would be cool to have a ghoul unique 11:03:14 well, for nergalle it was "nobody expects that she will have rF+ rC+" 11:03:24 I'm not sure why anyone would expect josephine to have rN+++ either 11:04:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:30 it's nice if people don't have to check resists on every human/elf/orc/whatever unique when using spells that check resists 11:04:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:05:33 <|amethyst> elliptic: at least xv shows it 11:05:38 <|amethyst> elliptic: unlike for Fannar 11:06:08 <|amethyst> (but I guess just x or targetting does, if you add up the info on the equipment) 11:06:28 x does, but yeah, fannar resists are sort of hacky 11:06:38 IMO turn fannar into a mummy unique or something 11:08:23 <|amethyst> there are lots of non-uniques who have unintuitive resists 11:08:25 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:09:01 Josephine (16@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 69 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1060 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d16), vampiric draining, animate dead, dispel undead (3d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:09:01 %??josephine 11:09:07 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3923-gbee44e4 (34) 11:09:18 <|amethyst> why would a caustic shrike have rF, or a warg or spriggan druid rP 11:09:18 |amethyst: we did also do stuff like remove rF+ from the random orcs/elves that had it too 11:09:31 I agree that some stuff is still weird 11:09:32 there were orcs with rF+? 11:09:35 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 11:09:35 do spriggan druids really have rP 11:09:44 spriggan druid (03i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 11 | HP: 38-50 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 18 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 03poison | XP: 725 | Sp: stone arrow (3d18), awaken forest, druid's call, minor healing (2d5) [04emergency] | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:09:44 %??spriggan druid 11:09:47 evidently 11:09:51 unknown monster: "spriggan air elementalist" 11:09:51 <|amethyst> %??spriggan air elementalist 11:09:54 G-Flex: sorcerer and high priest, iirc 11:09:54 and stone arrow, beacuse of course 11:09:59 because* 11:10:05 elliptic: splish splash 11:10:08 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-62 | AC/EV: 1/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(140), 10elec++ | XP: 957 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), control winds, deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:10:08 <|amethyst> %??spriggan air mage 11:10:11 <|amethyst> rElec++ 11:10:39 when was the enchantment chance display added during targeting? 11:10:42 well I would be in favor of removing these resists too :P 11:10:45 whoever did that is probably my hero 11:11:08 |amethyst: they caseted Insulation 11:11:09 since I certainly didn't know about them and I'm not sure they serve much purpose... I guess rPois helps druids in swamp a bit 11:11:15 s/set/st 11:11:16 wheals: good spell 11:11:41 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:11:43 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:47 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 11:12:10 <|amethyst> it's not a resistance, but "cold blood" is kind of unintuitive 11:12:32 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:47 <|amethyst> monsters can be slowed by cold if they're poikilothermic... but only if they have blood 11:12:58 |amethyst: I think stuff like druids having rPois is different from shrikes having rF, because regular spriggans exist and don't have rPois 11:13:10 as in, shrikes having weird resists bothers me less 11:13:33 |amethyst: yeah, it's always bugged me that you can't slow things like insects in that way 11:13:37 but if a player has checked resists on one spriggan monster, I sort of feel like they shouldn't have to check resists on other spriggan monsters 11:13:50 <|amethyst> elliptic: couldn't you say the same think about "shrikes"? 11:13:56 ??shrike 11:13:56 caustic shrike[1/2]: potatolizard: they are jellies glued to beeeeeeeees 11:14:01 oh right, there are two shrikes now? 11:14:01 <|amethyst> shard shrikes have rC++ instead of rF+ rC+ 11:14:14 |amethyst: that feels more to me like fire giant vs frost giant 11:14:28 swamp spriggans and depths spriggans 11:14:29 if there was a caustic shrike annihilator with special resists then that would be weird though :P 11:14:36 oh, sludge spriggan 11:14:44 mountain spriggans 11:14:49 (FR) 11:15:49 |amethyst: we have like 8 types of spriggan monsters or something like that, and only one has rPois, and the only reason is that it is sometimes found in swamp (and other spriggans are found in swamp too...) 11:16:45 ??meph 11:16:45 mephitic cloud[1/7]: Fills the target square and some of the adjacent squares with clouds of noxious fumes. Any creature breathing these fumes may become {confused} unless resistant to poison and/or confusion. Conjurations/Poison/Air 3. Loud. 11:16:49 ??meph[HD 11:16:49 mephitic_cloud[2/7]: You will only be confused on a given turn if a random number from 1 to 27 is greater than or equal to your experience level. The formula for determining whether a monster will resist the effect of a mephitic cloud is HD/21, with a flat 98% chance to resist at or above HD 21. 11:16:52 -!- oneeyedjack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:17:24 i guess 1/3 is pretty big 11:17:54 spriggan rider (12i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 11 | HP: 53-70 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 809 | Sz: small | Int: high. 11:17:54 %??spriggan rider 11:18:10 nice poison vulnerability (presumably because of the mount) 11:18:19 <|amethyst> yup, there's even a comment 11:18:26 <|amethyst> MR_VUL_POISON, // the mount 11:19:18 that one at least is something that a player might guess after fighting a few and seeing the mount 11:19:35 <|amethyst> I guess rP-0.5 would be beyond the pale :P 11:20:02 <|amethyst> hm 11:20:11 <|amethyst> I guess maybe I shouldn't use that phrase 11:20:32 <|amethyst> since it's kind of anti-Irish 11:21:43 anyway it isn't player-monster consistency that bothers me, but rather monster-monster consistency and trying to reduce the burden on the player to remember as many resists 11:21:55 <|amethyst> What about spells? 11:22:06 <|amethyst> That seems to be more to memorise 11:22:13 caustic shrike annihilator (12b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 20 | HP: 112-149 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | spellcaster, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 7576 | Sp: iron shot (3d34), crystal spear (3d40), b.corrosive (3d23), poison arrow (3d27), blink | Sz: tiny | Int: normal. 11:22:13 %??caustic shrike name:annihilator n_suf col:lightblue hd:20 spells:iron_shot.14.wizard;lehudib's_crystal_spear.14.wizard;corrosive_bolt.14.wizard;poison_arrow.14.wizard;blink.14.wizard 11:22:16 <|amethyst> though I guess it doesn't as much affect which attacks you will use 11:22:21 yeah 11:23:09 the thing is that it feels so bad when you use chain lightning on an air mage or bolt of fire on old Nergalle or something like that 11:24:32 Grunt: thanks for not giving it weird resists 11:25:06 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:32 |amethyst: also, spell sets matter every time you fight the monster 11:25:50 air mages having rElec only matters in a small fraction of games 11:26:35 <|amethyst> what about things like air mages having higher EV than other spriggans? 11:27:19 <|amethyst> I guess that affects (almost) everything equally 11:27:25 <|amethyst> equally-ish 11:27:42 <|amethyst> rather than particular attacks 11:27:45 it's more noticeable and it also is something that players are introduced to with their first orc warrior 11:28:04 it doesn't intrinsically have less EV/more AC than regular orcs, but it almost always does because of armour 11:29:01 "some monsters of x species are more diesel than others" 11:29:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:30:03 mainly though I think it's just that there is less of a bad "gotcha" moment with that sort of thing than with resists 11:30:19 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:30:33 it helps that AC/EV are so much more granular 11:31:09 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:31:49 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:32:24 <|amethyst> a naked orc warrior has more EV than a naked orc, but I guess naked orc warriors don't happen, so... 11:32:37 <|amethyst> and, yeah, it is much finer-grained 11:32:41 <|amethyst> than resists 11:33:07 orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 17-39 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 134 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:33:07 %??orc warrior 11:33:11 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:33:11 %??orc 11:33:17 I see, didn't know that :P 11:33:28 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 53-84 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 621 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:33:28 %??orc knight 11:33:41 orc warlord (11o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 87-137 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1672 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:33:41 %??orc warlord 11:33:50 and then warlords have less EV for ?? reason 11:34:13 but those differences are fairly minor compared with the AC differences between different armours usually 11:34:22 that extra AC obv 11:34:54 warlords have an orc barding clearly 11:34:59 yes 11:35:51 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:10 -!- Z_LAMP has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:46 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:10 -!- Basil is now known as Guest1264 11:44:55 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-62 | AC/EV: 1/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(140), 10elec++ | XP: 957 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), control winds, deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:44:55 <|amethyst> %??spriggan air mage 11:45:06 <|amethyst> oh, I see 11:45:28 <|amethyst> I guess that rElec++ isn't necessary for gameplay either 11:45:52 <|amethyst> was thinking they had chain or ball lightning 11:46:04 <|amethyst> s/necessary/helpful/ 11:46:39 yeah 11:46:42 Nikola (11@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 190 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 3261 | Sp: shock (d18), b.lightning (3d22), chain lightning, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:46:42 %??nikola 11:46:57 nikola gets along fine with no rElec but he has a lot more HP 11:48:09 <|amethyst> I guess the question is, what should be allowed to vary among monsters of the same species? 11:48:27 <|amethyst> HD, AC/EV if it's not too large, attack damage, spells 11:49:02 intelligence 11:49:03 MR also (it is used similarly to HD for a lot of things, and has a fine grading too) 11:49:04 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:07 <|amethyst> yeah 11:49:09 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:11 <|amethyst> a few flags like archer/fighter 11:49:50 speed is a little questionable 11:49:59 deep elf blademaster (11e) | Spd: 15 | HD: 16 | HP: 94-113 | AC/EV: 0/25 | Dam: 25, 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, two-weapon, fighter | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 2581 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:49:59 %??deep elf blademaster 11:50:10 <|amethyst> I think speed doesn't really make sense 11:50:11 mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 16-24 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 18 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:50:11 %??mummy 11:50:15 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 58-72 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1089 | Sp: sum.demon [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], s.torment [11!AM], sum.undead [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:50:15 %??mummy priest 11:50:39 are the main examples of varying speed I can think of 11:50:44 <|amethyst> but speed is obvious at least 11:50:56 yeah, it doesn't bother me as much as other things 11:51:01 Agnes (11i) | Spd: 18 | HD: 11 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 0/20 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 2148 | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:51:01 <|amethyst> %??agnes 11:51:06 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 1/28 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 04napalm | XP: 3705 | Sp: dimension anchor, slow, haste, mass confusion, strip resistance, invisibility [04emergency], deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:51:06 <|amethyst> %??the enchantress 11:51:09 though mummies being a slow early-game melee threat is pretty weird regardless 11:51:31 spriggan defender (08i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 59-79 | AC/EV: 3/22 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 1493 | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:51:31 %??spriggan defender 11:52:22 <|amethyst> there are some ossuaries that seem to be based around playing yakety sax with mummies 11:52:26 spriggan defender/agnes have high speed instead of just reduced movement energy so their melee is better I guess 11:52:31 |amethyst: yeah 11:52:41 <|amethyst> ??neil 11:52:41 neil[1/3]: !lg neil 3512 -tv 11:52:48 <|amethyst> (sadly the ttyrec is gone) 11:53:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:22 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 189-211 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6235 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.emperor scorpions, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.scarabs / sum.mana viper, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:53:22 %??greater mummy 11:53:23 <|amethyst> unless shalott happens to have cached it 11:53:33 I think making mummy priests speed 10 might be good though 11:57:16 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:40 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:48 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:15 |amethyst: FooTV has a garbage collector for ttyrecs, so unlikely to be around. 12:02:29 how about guardian mummies? 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The latter I always assumed was true even before checking, and it's been relevant a few times (mostly to chain lightning) 12:58:33 but I get the reluctance to have a species have variable "base" resists. It can be surprising. 13:02:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:22 hi did i break everything 13:03:22 MarvinPA: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:03:23 huh, I never noticed mummy priests are speed 8 13:03:29 MarvinPA: yep! :D 13:03:35 unfortunately we're in feature freeze so now it has to stay broken 13:03:36 guardian mummies yes since they are incapable of doing anything if you walk away 13:03:37 -!- Kramell has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:41 MarvinPA: seems reasonable 13:03:48 unknown monster: "guardian mummies" 13:03:48 %?? guardian mummies 13:03:51 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 40-53 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 328 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:03:51 %?? guardian mummy 13:04:22 For some reason I thought priests/guardians were normal speed. I must have been conflating that with "not fire vulnerable", which they are. 13:04:59 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:59 well it's much more noticeable with guardian mummies since they can appear in early vaults and ossuaries 13:04:59 and they're melee 13:05:07 priests can kill you as long as they're in los 13:05:20 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 189-211 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6235 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.emperor scorpions, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.scarabs / sum.mana viper, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:05:20 %?? greater mummy 13:05:32 oh, right, -those- are the speed 10 ones 13:06:15 I used to think they were faster than that, mostly when luring them behind corners on the second part of tomb:1 13:06:51 hmm josephine thing seems easy to resolve with just fixing the inverted logic and then just not let her heal the zombies, she can still catch them in the aoe and not damage them 13:07:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:08:02 yeah 13:08:07 or she could get flying skulls or wights or whatever fits her depth, i don't even remember when she appears since she's still not really noticeable 13:08:31 She tends to end up in late D/Orc, IIRC. Sometimes lair branches? 13:08:40 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:45 !lm * recent uniq=josephine s=place 13:08:46 17985 milestones for * (recent uniq=josephine): 3083x D:10, 2397x D:11, 1777x D:12, 1669x Orc:2, 1588x Orc:3, 1524x D:13, 1407x Orc:4, 1124x D:14, 956x D:15, 519x Elf:1, 471x Swamp:1, 387x Snake:1, 371x Spider:1, 360x Shoals:1, 152x D:9, 132x Orc:1, 19x Lair:3, 14x Lair:4, 11x Abyss:1, 6x Lair:5, 4x Lair:6, 4x Lair:1, 2x D:8, 2x D:20, 2x D:21, Spider:2, Shoals:2, D:23, D:16 13:09:05 huh, considerably less lair branches than I thought 13:09:12 She's pretty weak for lair branches 13:09:21 I guess my view is just biased since I've never died to her apart from an occasion on swamp 13:09:24 I couldn't remember if she could spawn in Lair proper, but apparently so 13:09:26 DEPTH: D:10-, Orc:2-, Elf:1, Swamp:1, Shoals:1, Snake:1, Spider:1 13:09:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:41 Oh, heh 13:09:51 so the Lair deaths are dragging josephine around 13:09:54 those lairs are probably a result of- yeah 13:09:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:14:00 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:14:24 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:27 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:27:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:31 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30:16 are new vaults considered features for the sake of feature freeze? 13:31:37 -!- TupacShakur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:32:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:33:31 !rng features not_features 13:33:32 The RNG chooses: features. 13:33:34 yes 13:33:35 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:44 Only if they can introduce bugs, I assume 13:34:49 so no ANT VAULTS? 13:36:01 No ant vaults containing strangers. If we're already on familiar terms with the ants, that's a different story. 13:43:07 good rng 13:43:22 -!- lagged_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:44:10 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:15 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48:40 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:49:54 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:28 -!- spacet has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:03:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:07 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:09:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:43 <|amethyst> I would say new vaults make sense if they solve some sort of balance issue 14:11:03 <|amethyst> If it's just for more variety, they can wait a month or whatever 14:11:34 <|amethyst> but Lasty is right that they are usually fairly low-risk 14:12:35 <|amethyst> on the third hand, something like "this vault occurs too often" or "this vault can sometimes have teleport closets" would be the kind of bug we want to avoid adding 14:13:02 <|amethyst> particularly the latter 14:13:15 -!- iambill has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:10 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:18 <|amethyst> ugh, a third abuse ticket from my ISP 14:16:37 <|amethyst> about their router being vulnerable to NTP monlist reflection 14:16:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:19:38 from? they send you tickets about their equipment? 14:25:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:25:52 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:29:06 -!- Sczcya has left ##crawl-dev 14:30:41 they're being stupid, yes 14:36:26 <|amethyst> Zaba: yeah... it's in my IP block because it's my gateway 14:36:37 WereVolvo (L22 HECj) ERROR in 'mon-act.cc' at line 2959: infinite handle_monsters() loop, mons[0 of 8] is battlesphere (Elf:3) 14:36:42 ah 14:37:03 <|amethyst> prediction: that crash involves shouting 14:37:05 <|amethyst> !crashlog 14:37:06 10513. WereVolvo, XL22 HECj, T:76280 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/WereVolvo/crash-WereVolvo-20150204-203604.txt 14:37:27 -!- lagged has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:36 <|amethyst> ah, no it does not 14:38:05 <|amethyst> at least not obviously 14:41:19 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:44:36 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45:31 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:48:38 <|amethyst> got a response pretty quickly. This time they're keeping the ticket open until they fix their router 14:48:45 <|amethyst> I guess that's good 14:49:01 <|amethyst> first time they just deleted it, second time they apologised and closed it 14:52:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:59:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3924-g63a68a3: Really don't allow zombies/skeletons to be healed 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63a68a3404a5 14:59:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3925-gb8b9f9e: Give Josephine a band of wraiths instead of zombies 10(81 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8b9f9e3d335 14:59:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3926-g4728e1c: Don't make monsters constantly shout when out of LOS 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4728e1c8166e 15:04:01 -!- TupacShakur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08:52 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:09 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:44 -!- causative_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:19 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:45 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 15:43:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:48:21 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 15:50:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:53:47 chequers: any movement on the web thing? 15:53:51 -!- Guest94833 is now known as Wensley 15:55:14 Wensley: in terms of the specific live games stuff I was asking you about, or in general? 15:55:21 in both cases: yes 15:55:33 chequers: mostly on the stuff that requires me to tinker with my own code :P 15:57:17 so there are three steps I need to do before I poke you again: i'm writing the code to expose dgldir status from webtiles-changes right now. Then I need to write some server-side code to collect all dgl-statuses and collate them into a single file. Then it's time to look at your code and adapt it as required 16:08:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:53 MarvinPA: arguably having a place-appropriate band in locations that don't get zombies was always more josephine's "thing" than healing them 16:10:10 not that it really bothers me, since place-appropriate zombies play the same as all other zombies :P 16:10:15 !vault uniq_josephine 16:10:15 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des;hb=HEAD#l166 16:10:19 shrug, i don't think josephine had much of a thing either way 16:10:44 could mix in rare, nastier W I guess 16:10:45 if healing the zombies was meant to be a thing then it was a terrible thing :P 16:11:04 but yeah just giving her the same zombies as before and not letting her heal them seems fine to me 16:11:10 she can still catch them in the aoe and not damage them 16:12:12 she's shallow enough that i wanted to be pretty conservative with what i changed the zombies for, skeletal warriors seemed too strong 16:12:37 <+MarvinPA> josephine's pretty shallow 16:18:31 -!- Kalma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:49 -!- shenjohn has quit [Client Quit] 16:25:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:27:03 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:27:46 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:03 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28:21 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:30 -!- kazimuth has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:36 <|amethyst> hm... is it intentional that felids get the good stab bonus in forms? 16:39:42 -!- honkwins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:40:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:41:02 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 16:42:23 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:03 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:43:12 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:13 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46:40 monsters never regenerate hit points 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9468 by sim 16:47:26 its already been fixed as MarvinPA told me! "shouldve checked the commits better" 16:48:52 %git :/regen 16:48:53 07MarvinPA02 * 0.16-a0-3917-g2ce9f7f: Don't allow zombies/skeletons to be healed 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ce9f7f06c77 16:49:40 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:07 -!- causative_ has quit [Changing host] 16:53:39 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:55:52 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 16:58:35 |amethyst: i guess not 17:03:38 <|amethyst> occasionally I am reminded that not everyone has the same ideas about what makes a good roguelike 17:03:43 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3926-g4728e1c (34) 17:04:19 <|amethyst> someone made a tiles version of umoria with a few tweaks... including "i've disabled the potion color scrambling (because i want your memory to matter)" 17:08:29 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:40 |amethyst: other games, other design philosophies. They must be crazy!! 17:09:54 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3926-g4728e1c (34) 17:11:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:03 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3926-g4728e1c (34) 17:14:26 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:14:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:16:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:26 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3926-g4728e1c (34) 17:18:34 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3926-g4728e1c (34) 17:19:12 !seen gammafunk 17:19:12 I last saw gammafunk at Wed Feb 4 23:14:52 2015 UTC (4m 20s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 245 seconds'. 17:19:21 !seen gammafunk -1 17:19:21 I last saw gammafunk at Wed Feb 4 23:14:52 2015 UTC (4m 29s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 245 seconds'. 17:19:26 dumb bot 17:20:07 22:44 UTC last time gamma said anything 17:20:23 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:21:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:34 -!- XnMojo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:30:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:17 |amethyst: other racial UC bonuses persist in forms; e.g. the accuracy bonus for having claws 17:31:39 there's a weird justification for it lying around somewhere in a comment 17:33:27 !learn s epic_bugs[25 http://i.imgur.com/LBLhsdE.png 17:33:28 epic bugs[25/25]: http://i.imgur.com/LBLhsdE.png 17:33:38 that entry might need some pruning 17:33:59 heh, good entry 17:35:04 ty 17:35:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 17:40:19 -!- KamiKatze has quit [] 17:41:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:41:43 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:11 !tell gammafunk i pushed some commits to my branch, can you please check the dglstatus handler commit especially? 17:42:12 chequers: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 17:43:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:44:52 !tell gammafunk also I have two commits against my master branch (for current webtiles) that would be good ot merge pre-0.16 17:44:53 chequers: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 17:46:13 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:10 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:47:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3927-g2476f0f: Remove spear of the Botono from a vault 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2476f0fe7b29 17:52:59 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3928-g6e5a162: Don't show draconians with a -100 aptitude for Armour after Sac Skill (Piginabag) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e5a16217c00 17:56:23 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:57:28 might make sense to make that -99 (and in aptitude.h) a constant 18:00:48 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:03 seems reasonable 18:03:11 New option: show_inventory_glyphs 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9469 by chris 18:05:13 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:06:31 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:01 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:10:28 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:16:13 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 18:18:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:21:13 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:48 -!- Tamiore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:40:39 Would an admin kindly provide an archive of the meatsprint game by Hector on CBRO? 18:40:46 It's for a bug report. 18:43:01 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:08 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:46:58 johnstein: can you back up sprint games? 18:47:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:54:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:55:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:56:53 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:07 MeatSprint Error message: attempt to concatenate global 'lost_soul' (a nil value) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9470 by MakMorn 19:01:14 gammafunk: !messages 19:02:13 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:05:46 -!- Bubbason has quit [Client Quit] 19:06:28 <|amethyst> #ifdef UNIX Options.basefilename = "~/.crawlrc"; 19:06:28 <|amethyst> #else Options.basefilename = "init.txt"; 19:06:28 <|amethyst> #endif 19:06:45 <|amethyst> (ignoring the missing line breaks) that seems wrong 19:07:00 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:14 <|amethyst> I am getting: Warning: Too many fake langs; maximum is 3 (~/.crawlrc:22) 19:07:26 <|amethyst> but I don't have a ~/.crawlrc, I have ~/.crawl/init.txt 19:08:25 wheals: hmm I don't know 19:08:35 wheals: can you on other servers? 19:09:02 i doubt it's all that hard to reproduce, anyway 19:09:18 <|amethyst> about to push the fix 19:09:29 <|amethyst> and players can backup sprint saves, but only from console 19:09:35 <|amethyst> like other saves 19:09:53 assuming the server admin set things up correctly! 19:10:09 I'm sure he did ... 19:10:22 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3929-g9135897: Fix meatsprint (#9470) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9135897c492f 19:11:01 gammafunk: chequers: is webtiles-changes in a stable enough place for me to update DBRO with it? 19:11:10 or should I continue to hold off 19:11:11 johnstein: yep, should be 19:11:12 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:11:29 <|amethyst> also, I'm not sure why phase there is a global 19:11:37 <|amethyst> it should be initialised each time the function is called 19:11:45 oh was that the weird meatsprint bug by any chance 19:11:49 probably not 19:11:58 nope 19:12:16 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:16 The build has errored. (master - 6e5a162 #1726 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/49533982 19:12:16 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:12:17 <|amethyst> no, the meatsprint bug is that searching and replacing a whole file is too hard :) 19:12:23 <|amethyst> s/is/was/ 19:12:32 johnstein: also curious as to if those new dgl stuff to update webtiles works for you 19:13:55 me too 19:14:10 gammafunk. I may need a primer on the new stuff 19:14:30 and how to integrate it with a chrooted dgamelaunch server 19:14:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:15:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3930-gfa06faf: Localise a variable. 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa06faf6bddf 19:16:13 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:09 johnstein: for the webtiles-changes branch changes, there shouldn't be much that you have to update, as most of the changes were to implement janitor commands 19:18:26 which are cool, but currently in search of a standardised feature 19:18:28 johnstein: oh, you do need to have tornado4 19:18:52 and you may need to run pip under chroot to install that 19:19:12 a feature I've just proposed will replace your dgl-status cgi script though :D 19:19:13 yeah, chequers said he would test some janitor commands 19:19:37 that's unlikely, as I've not made any such cgi script :p 19:20:11 not sure which you're referring to, but I think Wensley or |amethyst made what you're talking about 19:20:29 "your" = johnstein's, as in the one on his server, from 13.5 here https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 19:21:06 well I think that's Wensley's 19:21:08 anyway, check out my commits, but note they're not tested well/at all yet. just looking for architectural feedback 19:21:18 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:21:21 (lunchtime) 19:21:41 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:22:16 well I've tested my commits which reimplement things to be properly asynch and should be sane, but probably johnstein shouldn't test that quite yet 19:22:29 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:50 i might update my server now 19:23:10 I think yours doesn't have the score pages yet either, which does require some conf changes 19:23:14 but dbro has that already 19:23:43 johnstein: just let me know if you have problems wrt tornado/python and I can help you get that upgraded 19:23:47 right 19:25:11 next big change will be chat mod, possibly with some reimplementation of the client in bootstrap-react, but I have to see how well that will work in terms of not messing with the styles used by the game 19:25:16 *webtiles game app 19:27:11 |amethyst: is the cszo switchover on hold until maybe after the release/tournament? 19:27:54 (or maybe until after we figure out unified logins, which is actually more important) 19:39:11 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 19:39:48 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:35 Wensley: ok, can you please add this to current playerstatus? https://crawl.project357.org/dgl-status 19:45:36 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3931-ge2bf747: Constify the unusable skill apt value (wheals) 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 102+ 101-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2bf7478f970 19:45:45 gammafunk: ok, my dgl-status mod is tested and working on my server 19:46:33 (actually, I guess since I'm the only webtiles-changes server currently without dgl-status, this change can wait til after hte 0.16 freeze, if it's affecting webtiles-changes) 19:46:47 dgl-status isn't part of webtiles I tink 19:46:48 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:49 *think 19:46:56 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:46:57 gammafunk: it is now! 19:46:59 I'm not sure where it's maintained 19:47:06 gammafunk: https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl/commit/2de7215c5f54760f9a747edc293e6a621ee28362 19:48:13 Wensley: one minor thing... that page doesn't end with a trailing \n. If that breaks your script and is hard to handle, I can change it 19:48:55 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:16 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:54:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:56:08 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 20:00:52 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3932-g89a8f92: Buff dark maul 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=89a8f9290975 20:01:47 nice 20:06:49 a fitting weapon for a Cheibriados fighter :) 20:07:02 indeed! 20:07:19 Chei should give piety for using it :D 20:07:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:58 yeah +10 is much more impressive looking 20:08:41 <|amethyst> chequers: I think having a trailing newline would be good, even if Wensley's script doesn't need it 20:08:50 <|amethyst> so that it is a valid text file 20:10:09 +27 would be even more impressive 20:10:10 just sayin 20:10:50 there are already two +27 fixedarts though 20:12:39 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:13:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:16:13 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:22:11 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:47 three is the cube root of 27, so it works out mathematically 20:24:02 three fixedarts with +27 ^ three fixedarts with +27 = 27 20:24:40 numerologically speaking it'd be basically perfect 20:24:45 imo it should have been +27 base dam increase and +27 enchant 20:25:35 <|amethyst> nicolae-: No, that would be 28 20:25:53 what 20:25:57 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_number 20:26:00 ah 20:26:07 you've got me there 20:26:32 <|amethyst> "numerology" and "number theory" are the same thing, right? 20:26:38 no! 20:26:49 if you squint and don't really look too hard, kind of? 20:26:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:26:58 it's like equating "astrology" and "astronomy", in my opinion 20:27:03 <|amethyst> dpeg: next thing you know you'll be telling me that astrology isn't the study of... 20:27:06 <|amethyst> beat me to it 20:27:08 :) 20:27:11 number theory is cool and fun but numerology gives you more opportunities for crazy bullshit 20:27:51 For example, saying "even numbers are strong/male, odd numbers are female/weak" (which some Greeks did) is numerology, as is all the number fetish nonsense about 999 etc. 20:28:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:21 i thought it was the other way round because even numbers could be evenly divided in half but odd numbers couldn't 20:28:23 <|amethyst> and "analysis" is about the breakdown of arseholes 20:28:36 O_O 20:28:40 damn 20:28:46 dpeg: but fetish nonsense about 27 is number theory, right? 20:28:56 it depends on why you're fetishizing it 20:30:04 <|amethyst> yeah, I think dpeg has the Greek numerology backwards 20:30:35 <|amethyst> Apparently that is a cross-cultural phenomenon 20:30:40 <|amethyst> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21767039 20:31:12 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:49 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:12 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:12 The build passed. (master - fa06faf #1728 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/49541267 20:32:12 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:35:09 yes, I might have confused the Pythagorean parity 20:35:48 the "female == weak" part is pretty universal, tho :) 20:36:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:41:17 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:30 |amethyst: do you have a target on when you are upgrading cszo to webtiles-changes? 20:41:50 <|amethyst> johnstein: hm 20:41:58 <|amethyst> johnstein: I had several targets, all long past :/ 20:42:00 I kinda like the idea of the chrooted dgamelaunch servers upgrading at the same time (cszo, clan, and cbro are it, right?) 20:42:49 <|amethyst> johnstein: also cao and presumably cxc 20:43:06 <|amethyst> johnstein: not before the tournament 20:43:22 <|amethyst> johnstein: I don't have a lot of energy for server admin stuff these days 20:43:23 ah I didn't know cxc was set up that way. good to know 20:43:42 <|amethyst> johnstein: maybe I can hand you root and you can do it for me? :) 20:44:02 |amethyst: heh. same here. that's kinda why I would like to upgrade around the same time. if I run into issues everyone else should be too. I also kinda want to plan ahead to set aside the time to mess with it 20:44:04 haha 20:49:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:49:44 <|amethyst> the problem with that idea is... what if something doesn't work? 20:49:57 <|amethyst> hm 20:50:12 <|amethyst> I guess there's still CPO, CDO, LLD, CKR 20:50:21 <|amethyst> so it's not *so* bad 20:51:52 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:16 don't worry 20:52:22 I'll run a server on my laptop 20:52:52 gfu will handle all traffic until we get things working again 20:55:59 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:19 I'm not sure, on the one hand it'd be nice if maybe cbro or another us server were upgrade earlier so we could iron out any issues 20:56:38 I can't really play-test on cpo and it's running a non-dgl setup 20:57:05 if dbro games were tracked then I'd be more motivated to HESu there :) 20:57:23 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57:34 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:57:49 I would happily admin another server in a region that needed it if someone is willing to pay the hosting :) 20:57:57 my financial contribution is capped at $22.11/mo 20:58:52 hrm 20:59:05 chequers: I am sure this can be achieved. Perhaps ask in your next c-r-d mail. 20:59:12 I probably should just set up an aw instance 20:59:18 I mean I could admin a server no problem as well 20:59:34 it's just would it get actual traffic 20:59:59 we don't really need another us server, but maybe a rollout server with a few people having admin access would help, dunno 21:00:27 I'd like to generalize dgl stuff like I've done already to an extent but kind of need a live server I guess 21:01:17 that's exactly why I put my hand up too, to figure out how to generalise my setup and roll out a second copy "for real" 21:02:30 well that's kind of the problem, we'd have two competing ways for rolling out these servers 21:02:40 like, why work on all the dgl stuff then 21:02:47 I'm not sure what the right answer is there 21:02:54 <|amethyst> err? 21:02:58 <|amethyst> so we can have console? 21:03:08 dgl-config, I think gammafunk means 21:03:11 doesn't cpo have that? 21:03:21 yeah I mean the dgl command, sorry 21:03:28 not actual dgamelaunch 21:03:28 <|amethyst> oh 21:03:33 as in, I've created a server (and deployment process) for a crawl server that doesn't use dgl-config at all 21:03:41 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:57 the thing is yours isn't really automated either in all the ways we'd like 21:03:58 -!- ldierk has quit [Changing host] 21:03:58 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:59 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:04:12 absolutely. i think dgl-config is superior right now, part of my motivation has always been NIH when looking at a repo of shell scripts 21:04:25 from what I've seen, at least, and I can fix up dgl to work with rolling out stuff 21:04:57 well yeah, I mean I don't know how other technologies like docker might make our lives easier there, or what's the best way 21:05:15 but at least I can see how to make dgl-config better at rolling out webtiles 21:05:17 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 21:05:51 building up to and including fully automating making a playable branch based on a git branch using a dgl command 21:06:23 but I don't want to put a lot of work into something if 1) there's a better way and 2) no one will use it anyhow 21:06:38 <|amethyst> I would use that 21:06:54 <|amethyst> but actually getting around to switching to it, if it's complicated... 21:07:01 yeah 21:07:01 I don't really have much to add to this discussion right now until post-0.16, there's a bunch of stuff related to the website refresh I'm trying to push out the door 21:07:19 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:07:33 <|amethyst> you'll notice I haven't changed my experimental branches in ... how long has it been anyway? 21:07:47 <|amethyst> Sat Jun 14 21:08:18 yep, not trying to put pressure on anyone to do stuff like this, as it's not exactly a thrill a minute 21:08:40 tbh the unified login thing seems like it'd be the better change to worry about? seperate issue, but seems maybe more important 21:08:55 agree 21:09:10 also, guest accounts. that's one of two big things I don't think I can finish by 0.16 21:10:32 <|amethyst> yeah, I agree as well that account management is the most important server-side issue at the moment 21:12:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:06 The build passed. (master - e2bf747 #1729 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/49543396 21:12:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:12:07 <|amethyst> but it's also much less further along the webtiles-changes 21:12:26 <|amethyst> honestly... 21:12:41 <|amethyst> I'd say push webtiles-changes to trunk as soon as the tournament is over 21:12:49 <|amethyst> maybe some security code review first, but 21:13:10 <|amethyst> sure, it will cause problems for existing servers, but then we kind of have to fix them :) 21:13:22 haha, wow 21:13:47 you do not want to piss neil off!!! 21:13:52 he will rek ur server 21:14:22 i heard he eats copies of Knoppix distributed by PC Magazines from the 90s 21:14:28 dang 21:14:43 <|amethyst> me not wanting to break things is why webtiles-changes didn't make it into 0.15 21:15:10 <|amethyst> and I don't want it to languish 21:15:15 who owns cszo btw? |amethyst ? 21:15:19 <|amethyst> yeah 21:15:22 <|amethyst> well 21:15:24 <|amethyst> I rent it 21:15:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:44 cool 21:15:53 new website will have an authoritive list fwiw 21:16:03 well, authoritive as far as the project is concerned 21:17:38 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:17:46 how about clan? 21:19:17 <|amethyst> operated by TZer0, but I'm not sure about current ownership 21:20:07 <|amethyst> err 21:20:10 and who is ht enew CKR owner? 21:20:14 <|amethyst> who pays for it I mean 21:20:32 it's still sd1989 (sp) 21:20:34 ??ckr 21:20:35 ckr[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by sd1989 on irc. http://kr.dobrazupa.org:8080/ 21:20:37 no 21:20:43 2015-01-##crawl-dev.gz:11:32 < sd1989> !tell |amethyst Could you redirect kr.dobrazupa.org to http://webzook.net:8080/#lobby ;; because of my private issues, CKR server admin was changed, and I can't maintain my server anymore. logfile and milestone could be found in http://webzook.net:82/ 21:20:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:14 well would help to both have that entry updated and know who the actual admin is 21:21:20 <|amethyst> oh 21:21:35 <|amethyst> I figured e just meant that he had to move servers 21:21:52 yeah me too, but maybe that's not the case... 21:22:22 <|amethyst> I got the impression that the old one was kind of surreptitiously hosted at his university or work 21:22:26 i wasn't sure about it myself, he left immediately 21:22:27 <|amethyst> eir 21:22:48 I got pretty good at rolling out new experimentals. I think my record is 10 minutes if I don't fat-finger anything 21:23:37 and yea, making webtiles-changes the first thing to do post-tourney sounds like a reasonable plan 21:24:31 johnstein: was going to ask how would you feel about doing an earlier trial of webtiles-changes on cbro before we push a wider rollout, but maybe dbro is really enough 21:24:35 followed soon(?) after by getting the Crawl Login United Endeavor up and running 21:24:44 gammafunk: I may be up for it 21:24:59 well again, don't want to push you into a lot of work you may not have time for 21:25:09 I'll add updating webtiles-changes on dbro to my quest log this week 21:25:12 CLUE, nice 21:25:14 :D 21:25:35 johnstein: that'll be helpful, getting dbro upgraded and tested with my dgl changes, at least 21:25:59 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:02 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:26:10 I should be able to get the dgl stuff generalized sufficiently in a month, the chat mod can wait 21:26:46 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:21 gammafunk: best case scenario is that dbro testing goes ok and I get cbro running before we tag 0.16 21:27:30 so I can test out adding 0.16 via janitor magic 21:27:46 (obviously on dbro first) 21:27:47 ok, I'll not push an early upgrade unless I feel my dgl stuff is really solid 21:27:53 well s/push/suggest/ 21:28:14 but I have the setup duplicated on my private server aka laptop, at least 21:28:21 so I can test things to some extent 21:31:10 -!- Lightil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:57 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:35:48 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:43:34 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:43:43 -!- mibeto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:46:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:16 -!- Deviljho is now known as Guest37752 21:50:20 -!- Guest37752 is now known as CrawlOffline|Jho 21:51:31 -!- Kramin is now known as CrawlOnline|Kram 21:51:49 -!- CrawlOnline|Kram is now known as Kramin 21:52:19 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:52:35 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:33 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:16 -!- octotoad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:53 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:01 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:11:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:08 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:21:58 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:40 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:33 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=206362 22:25:42 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:39 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:07 <|amethyst> you're right 22:30:39 <|amethyst> I was only allowed to submit patches to Crawl after pledging my undying allegiance to the devteam 22:30:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(mon->target = (25,69)) (Vaults:4) 22:42:34 <|amethyst> dith? 22:42:36 that was a water card 22:42:40 <|amethyst> !crashlog johnnyzero 22:42:41 18. johnnyzero, XL21 DsAs, T:63670 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20150205-044136.txt 22:42:56 -!- cr0ne has quit [Client Quit] 22:43:23 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:11 <|amethyst> hm, so apparent_source is (23,68) 22:45:26 <|amethyst> in _actor_apply_noise 22:47:20 hmm, the water card could just be a red herring -- it was the last action my character took before the crash 22:47:28 but it looks like sojobo got an action 22:47:36 <|amethyst> yeah, I think wind blast is more likely 22:48:03 would anyone with working geoip please test this? https://crawl.project357.org/static/dcss-web/play.json.htm 22:48:05 <|amethyst> let me load that up in gdb 22:48:20 the error handling is totally broke, but it uses external server data now 22:48:29 <|amethyst> chequers: I see one problem 22:48:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:41 <|amethyst> well, not a problem for me 22:48:51 <|amethyst> but a lot more people are going to be redirected to CBRO than to CSZO 22:48:58 "Unable to connect 22:49:00 Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at crawl.akrasiac.org." 22:49:36 why will a lot more be redirected to cbro? 22:49:50 <|amethyst> look at Atlanta vs Tampa on a map 22:50:01 <|amethyst> not a lot of people in the US are going to be closer to Tampa than to Atlanta 22:50:35 ah ok. I see what you mean. for some reason I thought the server was in KY 22:50:47 I should just move it out here to Seattle ;p 22:50:55 <|amethyst> oh 22:50:57 <|amethyst> I see 22:51:08 <|amethyst> actually, I think I was mistaken about Tampa 22:51:13 |amethyst: currently, nobody will be redirected to CSZO since it has identical lat/long 22:51:19 !ping CSZO 22:51:19 pong CSZO 22:51:22 someone told me CSZO was also in georgia though? 22:51:29 not actually in florida like everyone thinks/thought 22:51:37 <|amethyst> I am not 100% certain, but yeah 22:51:42 <|amethyst> I think you're probably right 22:51:44 <|amethyst> could geoip it 22:51:53 I have a KVM in seattle 22:52:04 but yes, it's a problem. I don't have a solution implemented for this yet 22:52:14 was considering moving everything over to that at some point anyway. but no immediate plans 22:52:18 the simplest is to simply load balance 50% to cbro and 50% to cszo (that's easy) 22:52:48 yea. and adjust the percentages if things feel unbalanced. I don't know how much CBRO can handle 22:52:56 but if you want more advanced "33% of north america goes to cao/cbro/cszo", that needs more intelligence than the javascript's "nearest point to where you geoip identify at" 22:53:11 !lg * src=cbro 22:53:12 35877. plathrop the Cudgeler (L5 GrFi), blasted by an orc priest (nerve-wracking pain) on D:3 (grunt_ministairs_13) on 2015-02-05 04:35:37, with 147 points after 2683 turns and 0:09:15. 22:53:23 !lg * starttime>20150101 cbro 22:53:24 Unknown field: starttime 22:53:31 !lg * startdate>20150101 cbro 22:53:32 Unknown field: startdate 22:53:36 !lg * start>20150101 cbro 22:53:37 4046. plathrop the Cudgeler (L5 GrFi), blasted by an orc priest (nerve-wracking pain) on D:3 (grunt_ministairs_13) on 2015-02-05 04:35:37, with 147 points after 2683 turns and 0:09:15. 22:53:40 !lg * start>20150101 cszo 22:53:40 28036. crackermeal the Grasshopper (L5 SpWr), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:3 on 2015-02-05 04:53:01, with 164 points after 3384 turns and 0:14:50. 22:53:55 !lg * start>20150101 cszo tiles 22:53:56 25292. crackermeal the Grasshopper (L5 SpWr), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:3 on 2015-02-05 04:53:01, with 164 points after 3384 turns and 0:14:50. 22:54:09 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150101 tiles x=src 22:54:10 75221. [src=cszo] crackermeal the Grasshopper (L5 SpWr), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:3 on 2015-02-05 04:53:01, with 164 points after 3384 turns and 0:14:50. 22:54:12 <|amethyst> err 22:54:13 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150101 tiles s=src 22:54:14 75221 games for * (start>20150101 tiles): 28398x cao, 25292x cszo, 6942x ckr, 5318x clan, 3345x cbro, 2969x lld, 2175x cxc, 782x cpo 22:54:25 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150101 !tiles s=src 22:54:26 10094 games for * (start>20150101 !tiles): 3580x cao, 2744x cszo, 1915x cdo, 701x cbro, 405x cxc, 386x cpo, 363x clan 22:54:51 FWIW, I expect existing players to not move due to this page 22:55:05 it's really just directing the flow of newbies, and I don't think anyone has numbers on how many people that is 22:55:22 my suspicion is that you'll have weeks to notice problems 22:55:34 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name tiles / min(start)>20150101 22:55:35 bad value for range 22:55:46 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name tiles / min(rstart)>20150101 22:55:47 bad value for range 22:56:52 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name tiles / min(start)>20150001000000 22:56:52 bad value for range 22:56:54 <|amethyst> hm 22:57:04 <|amethyst> not the most useful error message 22:57:06 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name tiles / min(start)>20150001000000S 22:57:07 bad value for range 22:57:30 !lg * s=name tiles / min(start)=20150101 22:57:31 bad value for range 22:57:39 i wonder if you can / min() 22:57:47 -!- gressup has quit [] 22:57:51 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name tiles / min(xl)<10 22:57:51 bad value for range 22:57:53 <|amethyst> ah 22:58:01 but if you can get that newbie number, ping me 22:59:04 fwiw, traceroute to cszo suggests atlanta 22:59:09 (georgia) 22:59:24 <|amethyst> chequers: yeah... the ISP has a presence in Tampa and Atlanta 22:59:38 !cmd !serverstats 22:59:39 Command: !serverstats => !lg * s=src x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) 23:01:11 !lg * src=cbro x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) 23:01:12 35878 games for * (src=cbro): cdist(name)=987 23:02:02 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: jIRCii - http://www.oldschoolirc.com] 23:03:13 I want to find the day with the max number of players on CBRO 23:03:21 ??lg 23:03:21 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 23:03:24 <|amethyst> !lg * cszo tiles x=cdist(name) 23:03:30 691644 games for * (cszo tiles): cdist(name)=8896 23:03:44 <|amethyst> !lg * cszo tiles rstart<201501 x=cdist(name) 23:03:50 688756 games for * (cszo tiles rstart<201501): cdist(name)=8863 23:04:03 !lg * src=cbro x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) s=day(end) 23:04:04 35878 games for * (src=cbro): 501x 20140416 [92], 276x 20140430 [71], 237x 20140429 [65], 317x 20140417 [61], 234x 20140413 [60], 310x 20140424 [57], 493x 20140418 [54], 383x 20140419 [54], 188x 20140428 [54], 259x 20140412 [53], 229x 20140501 [51], 246x 20140423 [51], 280x 20140425 [50], 298x 20140422 [49], 156x 20140415 [49], 220x 20140427 [49], 252x 20140902 [48], 254x 20140830 [48], 547x 20140... 23:04:06 <|amethyst> 33 new users on cszo since 1 feb 23:04:13 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3933-g06ce5c0 (34) 23:04:16 <|amethyst> !lg * tiles x=cdist(name) 23:04:21 <|amethyst> !lg * tiles rstart<201501 x=cdist(name) 23:04:33 1950488 games for * (tiles): cdist(name)=30853 23:04:53 1942220 games for * (tiles rstart<201501): cdist(name)=30761 23:05:16 <|amethyst> 92 new (webtiles) players altogether 23:05:20 <|amethyst> !lg * !tiles x=cdist(name) 23:05:27 <|amethyst> !lg * !tiles rstart<201501 x=cdist(name) 23:05:31 !lg * src=cbro x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) day(end)=20140416 23:05:35 1996739 games for * (!tiles): cdist(name)=19427 23:05:53 1995736 games for * (!tiles rstart<201501): cdist(name)=19416 23:05:53 501 games for * (src=cbro day(end)=20140416): cdist(name)=92 23:05:55 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:10 <|amethyst> 11 new console players at the same time 23:06:25 <|amethyst> !lg * src=cszo x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) s=day(end) 23:06:30 !lg * src=cbro x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) day(end)=20140416 s=name 23:06:31 879418 games for * (src=cszo): 2482x 20130530 [419], 2846x 20130511 [401], 2259x 20130514 [397], 2482x 20130512 [382], 2640x 20130513 [375], 1906x 20130517 [370], 2137x 20130520 [368], 2157x 20130521 [364], 2255x 20130515 [362], 2048x 20130519 [356], 1912x 20130531 [354], 2147x 20130516 [349], 1919x 20130522 [345], 2098x 20130523 [341], 1977x 20130524 [335], 2814x 20131012 [330], 1882x 20130518 [3... 23:06:32 501 games for * (src=cbro day(end)=20140416): Kavlax [1], johnstein [1], jinxplayer [1], zoltan2357 [1], zercules [1], Zeia [1], WalkerBoh [1], Bigslacks [1], Charobnjak32 [1], Teruklin [1], curiousnu [1], demiurge [1], swampy [1], SRG [1], raskol [1], PleasingFungus [1], petzl [1], fearitself [1], agentgt [1], Fizybubbleh [1], Flun [1], n1000 [1], MrPlanck [1], athros [1], MoogleDan [1], Mixolyde... 23:07:15 92 people in one day is higher than I expected 23:08:27 <|amethyst> maybe I should move CSZO back to somewhere in the northeast US 23:09:19 if you log IPs of visitors... 23:13:35 I get a lot of mefightclub traffic 23:13:42 !lg * src=cbro x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) 23:13:43 35878 games for * (src=cbro): cdist(name)=987 23:13:54 !lg @mfc src=cbro x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) 23:13:55 4630 games for @mfc (src=cbro): cdist(name)=38 23:14:09 well. I guess it's hardly any compared to the overall 23:14:27 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:35 !lg @mfc x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) s=src 23:14:36 20876 games for @mfc: 8883x cszo [40], 4630x cbro [38], 3778x cao [28], 3372x cdo [20], 51x clan [6], 162x cpo [1] 23:14:59 !lg @mfc recent x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) s=src 23:15:00 5404 games for @mfc (recent): 4192x cbro [35], 363x cszo [13], 683x cao [9], 162x cpo [1], 4x clan [1] 23:15:36 the only server metric I'm winning on! :) 23:16:32 (because it's obviously a competition) 23:18:10 -!- speranza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:17 !kw @mfc 23:20:18 Built-in: @mfc => name=256|advil|apoch|buddharebellion|burningbeard|curiousnu|dbaker84|demiurge|docholladay|flatluigi|fleacircus|friscobowie|gami|greynaab|hammerdwarf|helicomatic|inkoate|jerbear56|jigsaw|jinxplayer|johnstein|kaibutsu|katrel|keeo|kimtruck|laceratedsky|mrbismarck|murphyslaw|neckro23|odiv|omnomnominous|porpoise|rolandofeld|shmup|slitherrr|thenoid|tkappleton|toomuchpete|xqwzts|zoltan2... 23:20:32 ??mfc 23:20:32 I don't have a page labeled mfc in my learndb. Did you mean: mac, mc, mf. 23:20:42 mefightclub 23:20:56 small gaming community where I found out about dcss 23:21:22 at our best we had 6 teams in a tournament 23:21:29 usually 3-4 23:23:26 ah nice 23:23:34 i hate javascript 23:23:55 it's a good gang. they are all playing elite:dangerous these days 23:24:23 and here you are, capacity planning... :) 23:25:29 I'm actually past what I should be allocating for fun VPS rental 23:26:07 should have been born in a less popular region 23:26:42 I could probably move CBRO from the openVZ it's on in Atlanta to the KVM in Seattle and probably get more bang for the buck 23:27:20 I'm wondering if I can manage that when we get CLUE set up 23:27:25 |amethyst: i couldn't reproduce, but i did make a couple save backups -- maybe the wind blast tried to blow me out of bounds since i turned the map edge metal walls into water 23:37:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:39:31 <|amethyst> wait, what? 23:39:35 <|amethyst> water card can do that? 23:41:39 it can replace metal walls 23:43:12 i don't know if the vaults levels are encased in hard rock though -- but that crashlog doesn't seem to show any 23:45:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:45:06 <|amethyst> apparently water card can displace anything 23:45:20 <|amethyst> including unnaturally hard rock 23:45:28 <|amethyst> including at the edge of the level 23:45:44 could a few people in here test this new geoip system? it should work for all cases -- but that's what I want to test https://crawl.project357.org/static/dcss-web/play.json2.htm 23:46:42 i've tested saying yes/no on chrome/ff on osx 23:46:47 <|amethyst> johnny0: yeah, water card is the bug 23:47:02 <|amethyst> johnny0: you could just as easily have been trampled off the edge of the map 23:47:19 <|amethyst> johnny0: or you can get stuck inside walls 23:48:10 Wind blast bounds crash 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9471 by johnnyzero 23:48:10 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:13 damn, i just filed a mantis report with a bogus title then :( 23:48:39 <|amethyst> I'll rename 23:49:10 !lg * src=cdo tiles 23:49:12 378976. yalue the Chiller (L1 HEIE), slain by a kobold on D:1 on 2013-05-09 13:53:45, with 52 points after 316 turns and 0:03:26. 23:49:13 !lg * src=cao tiles 23:49:15 499302. airsick the Bludgeoner (L12 MiBe of Trog), mangled by an orc knight (a +0 great sword) (kmap: grunt_orc_community_town_hall) on Orc:4 on 2015-02-05 05:48:53, with 16274 points after 10910 turns and 1:07:52. 23:49:34 cao isn't loading up for me chequers 23:49:46 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:49:51 but that's the closest to me so the geolocation seems to work 23:50:21 <|amethyst> what URL is it redirecting to 23:50:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:26 <|amethyst> for cao 23:50:44 https://crawl.akrasiac.org/ 23:50:51 <|amethyst> CAO doesn't have https 23:51:07 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:13 ah yea. that fixed it 23:53:48 chequers: friend in india geo-connected to cpo 23:53:48 my bad, fixed. thanks for testing 23:54:02 that sounds vaguely right 23:54:45 (perhaps incorrect in terms of real-world latency, but that's another story) 23:55:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:55:06 <|amethyst> hm 23:56:00 <|amethyst> what about having the client fetch something simple like /robots.txt from each server, then picking the one with the fastest response? 23:56:16 <|amethyst> can you even figure out in js which had the fastest response? 23:56:22 <|amethyst> in browser js I mean 23:56:44 you could, theoretically 23:57:23 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 23:58:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3934-g674a7c2: Tweak a Beogh orc message 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=674a7c2f96dc 23:58:50 that's not a bad idea, but it's complicated by the fact it requires a static file on each host, and is probably more sensitive to changing network conditions than GPS 23:59:27 <|amethyst> hm 23:59:35 (the tornado server is too spiky in response time to be useful). But I guess you could fall back to GPS if nothing is faster than eg 200ms 23:59:39 <|amethyst> that's right, not everyone separates webtiles for other things 23:59:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:59:54 <|amethyst> in hostname I mean