00:03:37 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:06:35 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:08:28 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:25 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3890-gc52a7a5 (34) 00:21:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:15 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:26:01 -!- fiq has quit [Changing host] 00:26:17 -!- fiq is now known as FIQ 00:28:01 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:33:57 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:35:07 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 00:35:07 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:36:47 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:41 is six lines a lot for one stab insta kill? 00:50:45 The helpless five-headed hydra fails to defend itself. 00:50:46 You hack one of the five-headed hydra's heads off! 00:50:48 The four-headed hydra grows two more! 00:50:49 You skewer the six-headed hydra like a kebab!!!! 00:50:51 There is a sudden explosion of sparks! 00:50:52 You kill the six-headed hydra! 00:51:10 perhaps if i kill it in one hit, we could dispense with the part where it regrows heads 00:51:31 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:51:40 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:34 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:53 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:14 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 00:59:16 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:06 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:55 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 01:13:05 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:34 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:42 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:34 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:15:05 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:16:38 -!- hypermatt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:16:51 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:19 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:21:32 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:25:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:25:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:31:10 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:41 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:34 !tell pleasingfungus grep ", dprf" source/*.cc for the ones i found 01:43:34 Zannick: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:43:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:45:46 static_cast(stair_taken) 01:45:52 where stair_taken is a dungeon_feature_type 01:49:22 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:10 ew, aligned boolean logic operators in a conditional 01:50:17 ||, ||, &&, || 01:50:37 parentheses exist for a reason! 01:54:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:03:25 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:05:20 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:29 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:34 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:14:23 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:13 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3890-gc52a7a5 (34) 02:26:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:40 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:34 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:35:49 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:49:45 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 03:02:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:30 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 03:07:39 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:23 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:40 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:13 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:17 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:26 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:27:06 -!- hypermatt has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 03:27:28 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:32 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:28:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:32:29 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:58 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 03:35:59 genericusername42 (L16 GhWr) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 03:37:37 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:41:27 genericusername42 (L16 GhWr) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 03:44:36 genericusername42 (L16 GhWr) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster tormentor failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 03:45:28 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:47:03 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 03:50:20 genericusername42 (L16 GhWr) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 03:52:49 genericusername42 (L16 GhWr) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster shadow failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 04:11:04 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:21 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:09 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:13:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24:09 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:26:05 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:51 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:39:51 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:51:47 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 04:52:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:56:06 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:39 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:00:52 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:08:40 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:42 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:15 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:16:50 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16:52 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:07 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 05:24:15 so there's a lot of anger on the website that shouldn't be mentioned over the ely changes 05:27:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:27:27 which website is that? 05:27:28 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:39:14 chequers: 4chan 05:39:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:42:18 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:36 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:48 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:02:53 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:05:40 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:53 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22:58 -!- Mattybee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:27:52 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:13 -!- Crehl has quit [Client Quit] 06:38:24 afd (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(!actor_at(newpos)) in 'spl-tornado.cc' at line 428 failed. (Zig:20) 07:04:39 -!- kober has quit [Client Quit] 07:06:49 -!- mibeto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:10:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:10:17 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:10:52 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:16:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:18:05 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:25 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:21:45 !messages 07:21:46 (1/1) ChrisOelmueller said (2d 14h 49m 47s ago): how much piety would you estimate "sacrifice thee inventory slots" to be worth? depends on race? god? (also: when are we getting piety-star bundle sacrifices) it'd be good for pre-sacrifice confirmation message to tell players which *** they end up at if accepting imo 07:22:25 yeah, the words have a slight "choko" problem 07:22:43 significant and major in particular 07:22:57 yeah 07:22:59 I buy that 07:23:32 I'm not sure how I feel about the piety-star bundle sacrifices thing, but it might be an improvement overall? 07:24:04 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:00 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:31 -!- Crawl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:42:31 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:35 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:46 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:48:34 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:05:06 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:08:03 -!- debo_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:14:01 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:59 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:04 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:50 <|amethyst> Can we remove the "Skill to remove penalty" line from shield descriptions please? 08:18:01 <|amethyst> It leads to players accusing us of lying 08:18:06 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15029 08:18:08 O.o 08:18:19 Is it inaccurate or are people dumb? 08:18:25 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:18:30 <|amethyst> It contradicts the wiki 08:18:45 <|amethyst> and in particular it means "remove all penalties" 08:18:56 <|amethyst> not "remove spellcasting penalties under the old formula" 08:19:01 If we removed everything that contradicts the wiki we'd be in sad shape 08:19:08 <|amethyst> so I would say B, people are dumb 08:19:14 I'll just fix the wiki 08:19:29 <|amethyst> fix the wiki for what? 08:19:40 <|amethyst> 0.15 isn't that different from what's there 08:20:00 <|amethyst> and I was under the impression they don't like having articles about trunk 08:20:06 Oh, huh. 08:20:24 <|amethyst> the spellcasting penalty is the only thing people notice 08:20:58 I'd much rather provide good information in game than let people get fooled by the bad info in online spoilers 08:21:02 <|amethyst> I mean, the wiki even has a table which has exactly the numbers we show in crawl 08:21:08 <|amethyst> so it's not like the wiki is wrong even 08:21:34 Well, this player is confused solely because they read the wiki 08:21:48 <|amethyst> but there is another table further down with spellcasting penalties given 0EVP armour, and this player thinks we are lying because we display the numbers from the first table rather than the second 08:21:54 if they look at the display in game they'll stop being confused 08:22:07 *look at and trust 08:22:14 well, ideally we'll obviate those numbers soon enough anyway 08:22:43 -!- soonmide has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:22:50 also, apparently monsters are immune to curare with any rpois 08:24:47 <|amethyst> I thought monster rP meant essentially "immune to everything but impact damage and parrow" 08:25:02 no, vbolt does damage to monster with rpois (eg spiny frogs) 08:25:10 <|amethyst> right, impact damage 08:25:13 no! 08:25:18 <|amethyst> oh, it can poison them? 08:25:25 it does no damage to monsters with rpois+++ (like undead) 08:25:42 it does poison-typed immediate damage 08:25:52 <|amethyst> that's what I meant by "impact damage" 08:25:58 right, I got you 08:26:01 <|amethyst> not irresistible impact damage 08:26:04 oh, i thought you meant BEAM_POISON_ARROW 08:26:06 yeah 08:26:32 <|amethyst> anyway, curare having no effect seems reasonable for things that can't be poisoned 08:26:54 <|amethyst> It might be nice if we made more clear that monster and player resistances cannot be compared 08:26:58 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:27:02 agreed, though it's no longer true for play-- yeah 08:27:18 <|amethyst> that your naga will never poison that spiny frog, but it could well poison your naga 08:27:29 also, staff of olgreb can poison the frog 08:27:40 heh 08:27:43 (this is part of my confusion) 08:30:39 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:30:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:51:46 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:54:40 -!- fiq has quit [Changing host] 09:03:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:06:32 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:37 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:40 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:11:53 -!- Kramell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:03 -!- fiq is now known as FIQ 09:18:14 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:26:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:13 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:00 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3891-g55e9833: Use (fair_)adjacent_iterator. 10(81 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55e9833e904a 09:30:00 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3892-g6616e23: More C++11. 10(79 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6616e2356744 09:30:00 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3893-gdb716c1: Fix a crash with reflected curare. 10(47 minutes ago, 3 files, 36+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db716c17edc0 09:30:00 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3894-gf8b6dd3: Remove a bunch of unnecessary const_casts. 10(5 minutes ago, 13 files, 51+ 57-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8b6dd36f26a 09:32:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:43 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:42:36 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45:27 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:52:43 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:55:39 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:38 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:57:47 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00:34 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:06:42 |amethyst: comma_separated_line seems to not print the last comma 10:07:14 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:31 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:57 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:19:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:41 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:22:35 <|amethyst> wheals: As in, it doesn't use the Oxford comma? 10:22:41 yeah 10:22:53 <|amethyst> wheals: that's intentional, but you can use ", and " as the third argument if you want 10:23:21 seriously? i can't think of many other places that we drop it 10:23:54 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:44 most likely because dropping it is slower to code than not, admittedly :P 10:25:16 <|amethyst> We omit the oxford comma quite often in descriptions... centaurs are "Swift, strong and bulky" 10:25:26 <|amethyst> but I am not surprised we are inconsistent about it 10:25:30 well, actually i guess most of those don't even have ands 10:25:34 so ignore my objection 10:25:41 <|amethyst> I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God 10:26:38 well, that sentence is just wrong no matter where you put the commas. 10:27:02 <|amethyst> chimera descriptions seem to have the serial comma 10:27:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:27:41 <|amethyst> as do a few Xom effects 10:28:12 xom being inconsistent is a feature :p 10:28:30 <|amethyst> Sojobo's description has a serial comma ("legendary skill in swordsmanship, tactics, and magic") 10:28:51 a tone of god descriptions seem to 10:29:08 (admittedly i've just grepped for ',.*, and', there must be a better way) 10:29:25 A slice of pizza: a flatbread with tomato sauce, mozzarella di bufala, and 10:29:26 basil. 10:29:42 if that's not conclusive proof we should use it, i don't know what would be! 10:29:47 oxford comma just looks weird to me 10:31:37 but I guess that's just because in finnish it's unambiguously wrong 10:31:46 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:03 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:17 <|amethyst> kvaak: hmm... how would you punctuate in Finnish: A, B or C, and D 10:33:52 <|amethyst> wheals: even people who don't use the Oxford comma usually will still include it when it resolves ambiguity 10:34:13 <|amethyst> wheals: so if your comma_separated_line call might contain complex items, it's probably safer to use it 10:34:17 i just think it looks neater in general 10:35:01 i was going to make the list of possible cards in a deck use it, and it just looks wrong to me that the last entry is so much bigger 10:35:16 though there isn't really ambiguity there 10:36:06 <|amethyst> I personally think two spaces after full stop looks neater than one, but oh well :) 10:36:12 UGH 10:37:00 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:08 wasn't marvinpa at oxford at some point? i suggest we ask him to lay down the law here? :P 10:37:27 Oxford comma: good. Two spaces after period: no, thanks. Grammar questions: solved forever. 10:37:35 *grammar and style 10:37:55 <|amethyst> wheals: the funny thing is, while the OUP's style manual uses the Oxford comma, the University of Oxford Public Affairs Directorate avoids it 10:38:06 <|amethyst> wheals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma#Recommendations_by_style_guides 10:40:58 <|amethyst> Oh, someone pointed out that g++-4.7 doesn't actually build crawl despite what INSTALL.txt says 10:41:11 <|amethyst> because it wants -std=c++0x not c++11 10:41:14 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15024 10:41:24 heh, does crawl have an official house style wrt the oxford comma? 10:41:34 <|amethyst> I think other than that we would support g++ 4.7 10:41:43 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15024 10:43:31 -!- fearitself_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:45:57 apparently the website that shouldn't be named is royally pissed about the Ely overhual 10:45:59 *haul 10:46:21 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:46:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:11 !lg . god=ely 10:49:12 No games for johnstein (god=ely). 10:49:24 <|amethyst> !lg . won 10:49:25 2. Neil the Faith Healer (L27 HOHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-10-04 20:54:19, with 1318561 points after 99008 turns and 8:11:47. 10:49:26 |amethyst: unless I'm horribly mistaken the grammatically correct format is "A, B or C and D" 10:49:41 I can't parse that 10:50:15 <|amethyst> kvaak: hm... in English, even people who don't use the serial comma tend to put one there 10:50:20 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:37 A, B, or (C and D) or is it A, (B or C), and D? 10:51:36 That has to be the least informative line of text to walk into. 10:51:50 better known as walking in on* 10:52:07 <|amethyst> Bloax: debating oxford commas 10:52:15 oh nooooooooo 10:52:29 <|amethyst> kvaak was pointing out that Finnish never uses it 10:52:31 14colloquy://kvaak15|amethyst: unless I'm horribly mistaken the grammatically correct format is "A, B or C and D" 10:52:32 if it was the former it'd probably be phrased as "A and B or C and D" 10:52:36 <|amethyst> I suspect Danish likewise 10:53:14 Danish just uses commas all over the place. 10:53:19 I keep sticking with the Oxford Comma since my brain can't parse lines without it 10:53:56 Den ting, som egentlig ingen betydning havde, saa ud som om, den egentlig havde en betydning, men det havde den ikke. 10:54:29 (I'm too lazy to whip out the proper sign for double-a.) 10:55:20 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:57:02 The thing, that didn't actually have a meaning, looked as if it had a meaning, but it didn't. 10:57:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:58:36 <|amethyst> I could kind of half-parse that 10:59:24 <|amethyst> once I realised "betydning" is cognate with "Bedeutung" 10:59:37 <|amethyst> though the negatives escaped me 11:00:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:01:54 It doesn't help that Danish has a different subject/verb placement than English. 11:01:59 but only in some cases :^D 11:02:12 <|amethyst> seems similar to German's? 11:02:24 <|amethyst> verb second in main clauses, at the end of subordinate clauses? 11:03:36 hm 11:04:00 If only it was that nice and simple, hehe. 11:05:57 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:38 Fv001 (L16 GrFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster oklob sapling failed to pathfind to (39,12) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 11:09:04 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Screenies/subjects%20verbs%20how%20do%20they%20workkk.png 11:10:23 That sentence turned out better than I had hoped. 11:10:51 <|amethyst> Bloax: the only part of that that confused me was ", den egentlig havde en betydning," rather than ", den egentlig en betydning havde," 11:11:23 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:02 predicate rather than verb, "that the dog [barked very loudly]" is correct in swedish (which I assume is the same as danish) whereas "that the dog very loudly barked" is used in e.g. German 11:13:17 <|amethyst> And then English looted its verb order from French 11:13:42 gotta sound fancy like them upper class frenchies 11:14:20 <|amethyst> (though French word order does have some Germanic influence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V2_word_order#V2_in_Old_French ) 11:14:59 Europe is such a great mess. 11:15:39 [18:14:40] I really wish the mac trunk tiles downloaded was uploaded more often ;_; | rip 11:16:02 <|amethyst> me too 11:16:26 <|amethyst> I don't think we currently have anyone to do Mac builds, and definitely not nightlies 11:16:38 <|amethyst> We haven't made a Mac build since we dropped C++03 support 11:16:53 <|amethyst> we don't even have 0.15.2 for Mac 11:17:09 Dang, Mac getting left in the dust. 11:17:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:35 if only we knew anybody who uses macs.... 11:17:40 that reminds me could someone using windows check whether the trunk installer works 11:18:25 the game still crashes for me whereas downloading regular/tiles builds works 11:18:49 -!- Grasp has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:18:57 <|amethyst> kvaak: trunk, or 0.15 as well? 11:19:54 <|amethyst> I'm not really in a position to test Windows builds at the moment 11:20:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:20:30 .15 installer works fine, trunk installers worked fine as well a month ago or so 11:21:16 (individual packages still have a weird bug where alt gr + numbers just print upside down question marks for some reason) 11:21:34 Works for me on a "just for me" installation. 11:21:36 oh well, online reasons 11:22:03 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:22:21 also works with "for anyone on the computer" 11:22:39 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:59 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3894-gf8b6dd3 (34) 11:25:09 <|amethyst> kvaak: hmm... does it work before this commit: 11:25:12 <|amethyst> %git 3bfa717 11:25:12 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3299-g3bfa717: Don't double numpad keys in SDL tiles. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bfa7172b8a4 11:25:18 <|amethyst> kvaak: altgr + number that is 11:26:30 Shift+Backspace also prints a top-down question mark. 11:26:55 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-3895-gbf39a15: Fix Shoals autoexplore on characters with passive mapping (3672, 7847). 10(55 minutes ago, 2 files, 13+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf39a15a8419 11:27:31 <|amethyst> Bloax: hm, I get � on Linux 11:28:20 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:28:47 -1? 11:30:23 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:31:51 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3896-g4564c02: Clear away marked cards code. 10(59 minutes ago, 4 files, 56+ 199-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4564c0294023 11:31:51 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3897-g322296f: Change deck_archetype into vector. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 32+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=322296fe5693 11:31:51 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3898-g57becba: Some minor changes to deck descriptions. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57becba390b8 11:32:12 well that's interesting 11:33:43 I downloaded the 22.12. and 25.12. builds for tiles and console, both work fine on console, 22. tiles works sort of, it prints some characters AND an upside down question mark, 25. doesn't work at all 11:34:31 <|amethyst> hm, that makes sense 11:34:58 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:13 <|amethyst> so I guess we need to tell Crawl not to generate keydown events for altgr+foo so the input method can handle it and convert to text 11:36:30 and yeah older installers work too, I'll try to track down the first one to break 11:36:39 <|amethyst> kvaak: probably the SDL2 switch 11:36:48 <|amethyst> but of course SDL doesn't tell us that the thing pressed was altgr 11:36:58 Commands with "Alt Gr" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9463 by Dinresbutzeklam 11:36:58 <|amethyst> just SDLK_LALT and SDLK_RALT 11:37:04 <|amethyst> so we'd need to disable right alt 11:37:12 <|amethyst> ugh 11:37:24 convenient timing 11:38:04 -!- surrr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38:25 <|amethyst> ohh 11:38:29 <|amethyst> SDLK_MODE might be it 11:39:35 <|amethyst> !tell Grunt my thought on 9463 (altgr doesn't work) would be to not generate a keydown event when SDLK_MODE is set, instead letting the textinput event fire 11:39:36 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 11:40:01 <|amethyst> !tell Grunt but I don't know if SDLK_MODE is actually the right thing, or how it interacts with SDLK_RALT 11:40:02 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 11:40:04 !blame grunt 11:40:05 I pronounce grunt... Guilty! 11:40:27 %git 11:40:27 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-3898-g57becba: Some minor changes to deck descriptions. 10(13 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57becba390b8 11:40:54 %got 11:41:06 rip. 11:44:03 yeah as I figured, 19.11. installer is the last one that works, 22.11 and onwards the game crashes after you select your race and class 11:44:33 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:46:21 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47:10 <|amethyst> wheals: instead of for (const card_with_weights& cww : *pdeck) cards.insert(cww.card); you should be able to do cards.insert(begin(*pdeck), end(*pdeck)) 11:47:31 http://pastebin.com/f9akr3hj 11:47:35 should I report this? 11:47:46 wouldn't i need to define a conversion from card_with_weights to card_type? 11:48:06 or is it smart enough to figure that out 11:48:09 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, duh 11:48:15 <|amethyst> wheals: missed the .card, ignore me 11:48:28 /ignore |amethyst 11:48:49 -!- domiryuu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:50 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:48:52 <|amethyst> kvaak: is that from starting a game with the installer version? 11:48:56 yes 11:49:08 individual packages for tiles and console work fine 11:50:14 <|amethyst> I'd report it, but that crash log doesn't seem to provide any useful info 11:50:46 well I assume someone can look up what happened between 19.11. and 22.11. 11:50:57 it's weird the crash is specific to the installer though 11:51:25 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:29 <|amethyst> hm 11:51:44 <|amethyst> !bug 8340 11:51:45 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8340 11:51:54 <|amethyst> same thing in an older version (0.13) 11:53:07 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53:32 <|amethyst> there's an unrelated windows startup crash 11:53:36 <|amethyst> !bug 8870 11:53:36 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8870 11:53:58 <|amethyst> apparently we don't properly handle non-ASCII paths on Windows 11:54:27 mine doesn't have non-ascii characters though does it 11:54:38 <|amethyst> right, that's why I said "unrelated" :) 11:55:48 <|amethyst> kvaak: between 19 Nov and 22 Nov was the sdl2 merge 11:55:59 <|amethyst> so I'm guessing it's related to sdl2 somehow 11:56:01 why would that break the installer though 11:56:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:56:23 <|amethyst> I don't know, maybe it's missing the SDL2 DLL or something? 11:56:30 I mean isn't it basically just a fancy self-extracting archive 11:58:12 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:21 <|amethyst> !source util/crawl.nsi 11:59:21 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/util/crawl.nsi;hb=HEAD 12:02:23 Crash on character creation when using the trunk windows installer. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9464 by Kvaak 12:04:42 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:42 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16:15 -!- Manslay[work] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:19:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:20:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:20 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:45:13 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:29 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:01:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:02:35 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04:45 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:06:32 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:08 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:44 -!- droogie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:45 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:34 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3899-gbd28cd2: Make the logic in _rangers_card arguably more clear. 10(79 minutes ago, 1 file, 19+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd28cd2b621a 13:13:34 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3900-g6892f0b: Storm card changes. 10(18 minutes ago, 3 files, 50+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6892f0b4cdca 13:13:34 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3901-g06d23dc: Give the player an ugly to use against hostile uglies. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06d23dc4a6c4 13:16:03 * Grunt falls into the water! Grunt drowns. 13:16:03 * Sequell also falls into the water! Grunt drowns. 13:16:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:10 gee thanks Sequell. 13:17:40 hahaha 13:19:22 rip Sequell 13:21:12 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:51 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:06 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:58 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 13:43:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:47 |amethyst: ty for fixing up my awful flang code 13:43:47 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:43:51 I really should not be coding while sick 13:44:12 FLANG! 13:44:29 gong? 13:44:29 GONNNNG! 13:45:48 -!- droogie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:46:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46:34 !tell zannick not sure why you sent me the thing about the ", dprf"s, unless they're meant as crawlcode submissions? 13:46:34 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let zannick know. 13:47:36 wheals: any particular reason you removed the assert in _shuffle_deck in 4564c0294023? 13:48:10 because i removed _unmark_and_shuffle_deck or whatever it was called 13:48:25 so? 13:48:31 which before screened items for _shuffle_deck, (ie i moved the check from there to _shuffle_deck) 13:48:42 oh, I see 13:48:43 ok 13:48:55 looks good. 13:49:45 dctr4 is a good variable name 13:50:15 Depths:1 1546 runed door 13:50:20 well, this is almost working 13:50:45 20:43:51 < Zannick> ew, a comma operator 13:50:46 20:45:47 <+PleasingFungus> Zannick: fakelang syntax? 13:50:51 is what i was referring to 13:51:00 (sorry for lack of context in the message) 13:51:26 ah 13:51:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:46 but i think the static_cast would be a great submission, maybe 13:52:09 which one was this? 13:52:19 hm, nah, a very different tenor to these 13:52:48 wheals: what's the interaction between hostile ugly things? 13:53:08 there was a function i found with an argument dungeon_feature_type stair_taken 13:53:10 they cause each other to change colours! 13:53:11 right? 13:53:19 that static_cast it to dungeon_feature_type a few lines down 13:54:51 I thought friendly uglies did that 13:54:59 well, true 13:54:59 <|amethyst> Zannick: probably either: a) copied from one of the other functions that takes stair_taken as an int; or b) this one used to take an int 13:55:15 |amethyst: copied, yeah. i found the other function too :) 13:55:20 i never said it was brilliant and thrilling gameplay 13:56:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:56:25 rip 13:56:39 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:56:47 fr: brilliant & thrilling gameplay 13:57:38 that sounds too hard to implement 13:57:40 fr rejected 13:58:35 r i p 13:59:38 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:16 Depths:2 -1 runed door 14:00:19 i'm almost there 14:00:51 Depths:3 π runed doors 14:04:01 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:04:53 <|amethyst> "As to spellcasting to 27, I wanted to maximize the amount of available spells because I was running out of space to carry books I wanted and wasn't casting them anyways." 14:05:09 <|amethyst> that seems like a bad reason to memorize spells 14:06:10 "I had to store garbage in my brain because I ran out of hands." Makes sense to me 14:06:49 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:17 <|amethyst> the char had haste and deflect missiles memorised with 3.7 charms 14:07:23 !tell chrisoelmueller I don't think reduced inventory is a good sacrifice. It mostly just amounts to inconvenience, which is a bad balancing tool. As for piety bundles, let me know when you get around to coding it up. :D 14:07:24 Lasty: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 14:07:34 hm, what vaults have runed doors besides door_vault 14:07:45 piety bundles...? 14:08:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: instead of taking one sac that gives you half a star, combine enough sacs to make at least one star 14:08:14 <|amethyst> I think 14:08:14 ^ 14:08:23 much quicker than my explanation was going to be 14:08:42 nice 14:08:48 so you make at most 6 sacrifices for Ru, but each one can include multiple current sacrifices 14:09:06 ui sounds tricky 14:09:08 I'm not against it, but I also don't feel very strongly about it, so I don't wanna code it up 14:09:11 yeah, exactly 14:09:16 also issues with sacrifices that also make other sacrifices more or less valualbe 14:09:22 yup 14:09:32 there are a fair number of headaches involved 14:10:05 <|amethyst> is there anything currently (other than another sacrifice) that can make a sac worth less after it is offered? 14:10:29 <|amethyst> I know skill training can make one worth more 14:10:31 Outside wizmode, no 14:10:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:12:36 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3902-g476806a: Fix a bad message (#9402). 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=476806a8bba5 14:12:36 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3903-gbdece4d: Implement runed door counts in annotations (#9402). 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 65+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdece4dd0fbe 14:12:47 er 14:12:50 that's not right 14:12:51 <|amethyst> Lasty: oh, hm, stat piety 14:13:00 * wheals should not be coding while sick either 14:13:09 !bug 9402 14:13:10 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9402 14:13:12 Oh, right 14:13:14 !send wheals the plague 14:13:14 Sending the plague to wheals. 14:13:16 I forgot about stat piety. 14:13:49 stat piety? 14:14:02 wheals: guessing the last one was 9283? 14:14:06 some sacs have variable piety based on your highest/second highest stats 14:14:07 yep 14:14:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you get more piety for sacrificing your highest stat 14:14:17 base stats, not current 14:14:34 ah 14:14:39 <|amethyst> so if you increased your second-highest between the offer and the acceptance, the sac could become worth less 14:18:16 for those you'd probably need to use the lowest possible value 14:20:12 side note: if there are three deep elf death mages on screen and a lost soul, and you kill a death mage, you suddenly see "3 ghostly deep elf death magi" 14:24:13 nice 14:24:20 <|amethyst> on it 14:24:32 dang, and here I was just gonna crack wise about it 14:24:51 can't believe some people would rather fix bugs than joke about them....... 14:25:00 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:26:08 be the difference you want to see in the world, PleasingFungus 14:26:27 every day, lasty. every day. 14:26:28 1+ 3743- 14:28:43 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3904-g82ff903: Don't merge spectralised and un- in the monlist (Lasty) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82ff903558b5 14:29:18 I'm glad you knew where that was so quickly. Would've taken me a while. 14:32:43 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32:57 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:05 <|amethyst> Yes, monlist combining really does uses the incomparability equivalence relation derived from the monster_info::less_than partial order 14:33:11 <|amethyst> s/uses/use/ 14:33:41 <|amethyst> // Array is sorted, so if !(m1 < m2), m1 and m2 are "equal". 14:34:14 fancy, fancy... 14:40:48 -!- hallava has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:58 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 14:43:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3905-gb64a086: Remove an unused member variable. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b64a08637d50 14:43:59 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3906-g7b295a0: Display possible evolutions on the targetting display. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b295a086946 14:44:29 ooo 14:44:31 good commit 14:44:37 :) 14:44:38 esp. with the message 14:44:52 man, fedhas is such a great god 14:45:13 one of the coolest designs in crawl, imho 14:45:28 PleasingFungus: on 1 April we're going to do a Farmer background that starts with Fedhas so more people can realise this 14:45:31 <3 14:45:39 -!- thrig has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:45:45 It -must- start w/ a scythe 14:45:50 Lasty: of course!!! 14:46:09 Quite Powerful 14:46:12 Lasty: that is precisely why it is a farmer and not something else :b 14:46:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus the farming farmer 14:46:29 rude.... 14:46:38 I don't actually think I've ever had a "farming" game 14:46:46 200k turns, right? 14:46:57 <|amethyst> !lg * title~~farming 14:46:57 No games for * (title~~farming). 14:47:04 !lg * turns>=20000 14:47:04 188060. Phantasmagoric the Warrior (L14 MiGl of Okawaru), succumbed to poison (a potion of poison) on Lair:8 (minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest) on 2015-02-02 20:26:07, with 50206 points after 23795 turns and 0:53:34. 14:47:05 er 14:47:05 !lg * turns>=200000 14:47:06 2127. Daisuki the Farming Archmage (L27 NaWz of Makhleb), blasted by a Hell Sentinel (blast of hellfire) on Zig:25 on 2015-02-02 04:11:50, with 1879999 points after 306004 turns and 3d+1:45:27. 14:47:12 |amethyst: it's a Sequell thing 14:47:16 !lg * farming 14:47:17 2127. Daisuki the Farming Archmage (L27 NaWz of Makhleb), blasted by a Hell Sentinel (blast of hellfire) on Zig:25 on 2015-02-02 04:11:50, with 1879999 points after 306004 turns and 3d+1:45:27. 14:47:24 !lg . max=turns 14:47:25 375. PleasingFungus the Chief of Staff (L27 HuWn of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 8 runes on 2014-03-13 01:44:15, with 3941846 points after 148287 turns and 14:08:16. 14:47:30 !lg . max=turns 14:47:31 1426. SGrunt the Devout (L27 HuAr of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-23 01:26:05, with 1153129 points after 195539 turns and 9:42:11. 14:47:38 wait, really??? 14:47:43 hahahaha 14:48:00 !lg * urune=3 recent max=turns 14:48:00 6545. bananaken the Farming Slayer (L27 MuFi of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-10-19 11:52:53, with 1028082 points after 553104 turns and 8:00:46. 14:48:06 what. 14:48:09 !lg . max=turns -2 14:48:10 1425/1426. SGrunt the Thanatomancer (L27 GhWz of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a blue devil (summoned by a mummy priest) on Tomb:2 (tomb_2) on 2013-02-11 17:32:58, with 544469 points after 174088 turns and 11:56:06. 14:48:11 !lg * urune=3 recent max=turns !mu 14:48:12 6424. Pegasus the Farming Ninja (L27 VpEE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-10-17 19:06:46, with 1211313 points after 289915 turns and 17:13:01. 14:48:14 !lg . max=turns x=v 14:48:15 !lg . max=turns -3 14:48:15 472. [v=0.8.0] jokeserver the Swordmaster (L27 MiFi of The Shining One), blasted by Biutav (crystal spear) in Pandemonium on 2011-05-22 06:19:44, with 734391 points after 171261 turns and 16:55:32. 14:48:15 1424/1426. SGrunt the Annihilator (L27 DECj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-02-04 00:00:29, with 9903990 points after 172646 turns and 13:45:07. 14:48:18 cheating, cheating, cheating! 14:48:36 !lg . won max=turns x=v 14:48:37 12. [v=0.4.5] jokeserver the Swordmaster (L27 MiPa of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 16 runes on 2009-06-02 21:11:33, with 10660909 points after 156208 turns and 17:04:50. 14:48:53 ah, yes, 16 runes :) 14:48:55 well, mi isn't cheating. also, what on earth were you doing in that game (the 0.8 one) 14:49:19 !lg lasty won max=turns x=turns 14:49:20 61. [turn=141199] Lasty the Pyromancer (L27 DgCj), escaped with the Orb and 7 runes on 2014-02-22 18:24:33, with 3307428 points after 141199 turns and 16:26:51. 14:49:28 probably running back and forth between lots of levels to shop 14:49:41 man, why so many turns? 14:50:09 also not doing branch ends until last 14:50:58 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:51:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:51:56 * wheals wishes you could trigger particular xom effects in wizmode 14:52:24 implementable! 14:54:11 the xom menu 14:54:40 last time i looked at the xom effects i wished for more structure besides a series of ifs 14:54:49 patches welcome! 14:55:02 it's extremely hard to calculate probability of any effect :P 14:55:24 xom wouldn't want you to! 14:55:56 yeah, but i'd like to say when i submit a patch adding a new effect for an old implementable 14:57:15 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:57:53 I had a decent line about this a while back. sadly not in learndb - something along the lines of "xom.cc is the crawl codebase's attempt at roleplaying" 14:58:07 also I found this while looking for it and now I want to know what it is 14:58:08 !lm pleasingfungus orb 14 -tv:>0.8 14:58:09 14/36. PleasingFungus, XL25 DDNe, T:83906 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:59:25 ahahaha yesss 14:59:45 what a stupid, stupid thing that was 14:59:54 what was? 15:00:16 in the entry to zot (the first chamber), got in trouble, read tele 15:00:23 landed exactly on top of the orb 15:01:44 orb ninja 101 15:01:45 !lm pleasingfungus orb 14 -game -log 15:01:47 PleasingFungus, XL25 DDNe, T:84789: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/PleasingFungus/morgue-PleasingFungus-20140404-031050.txt 15:02:11 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:03:25 Ugiohadd is a great randart name 15:03:27 imho 15:04:38 sounds like an orc name 15:04:56 possible 15:08:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:09:03 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:05 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:51 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 15:23:11 -!- geekosaur has left ##crawl-dev 15:23:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:28:21 hm. someone added a [28 to ??protip 15:28:39 trying to decide between deleting it and [18 15:28:44 or possibly [14 15:29:05 -!- grasp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:30:09 !learn del protip[14 15:30:10 Deleted protip[14/28]: invis > haste 15:30:42 ??protip[18 15:30:43 protip[18/27]: zin is much better than yred 15:30:57 it's 17 now 15:30:58 ??protip[17 15:30:59 protip[17/27]: xom is much better than godless for trolls 15:31:07 rip 15:31:10 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 15:31:13 it was a hard choice 15:31:14 ??protip[disc 15:31:15 protip[16/27]: disc of storms might actually be kind of OP now in zigs 15:31:21 ??protip[27] 15:31:21 protip[27/27]: Makhleb with sublimation and regeneration is much better for MP recovery than Sif Muna or Vehumet if you have decent HP and necromancy spellpower. 15:31:27 IMO that one's too obvious to be in there 15:31:39 wheals: that's kind of why it's funny, sort of like 15:31:39 that's too wordy IMO 15:31:41 ??protip[projected 15:31:42 protip[1/27]: it seems like projected noise could be potentially useful on late zig levels 15:31:46 elliptic: 15:31:53 ? 15:31:58 ??protip[hellion 15:31:58 protip[9/27]: just don't land in sight of hellion island but with it out of tornado range with your back to a wall and forget to dig 15:32:05 imo it's the same vein of advicew 15:32:13 !learn add advice go kiku 15:32:26 well [9] is much funnier 15:32:28 ya 15:32:31 [27] is just normal advice 15:32:44 !learn e protip[27] s/ if you have.*// 15:32:45 protip[27/27]: Makhleb with sublimation and regeneration is much better for MP recovery than Sif Muna or Vehumet 15:32:55 eh 15:32:58 v0v 15:33:07 !send PleasingFungus vOv 15:33:08 Sending vOv to PleasingFungus. 15:33:15 !? 15:33:27 editing a quote? 15:33:34 Kramin: just truncating 15:34:28 !learn del protip[26] 15:34:29 Deleted protip[26/27]: don't get stoned in the middle of a pack of wolves 15:34:38 aw 15:34:42 !learn insert protip[14] invis > haste 15:34:43 protip[14/27]: invis > haste 15:34:50 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3907-g80a473d: Rework Xom chaos cloud. 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=80a473db6585 15:34:50 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3908-g366fb93: Document. 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=366fb93793cb 15:34:50 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3909-g31f9ca0: Fix timed_effects includes. 10(88 seconds ago, 15 files, 34+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31f9ca044037 15:34:52 heh 15:34:52 26 just isn't right at all 15:34:56 well, at least amnesiac's honour will be restored 15:35:05 (he wasn't actually the one who got stoned, he was giving helpful advice to someone else) 15:35:08 I'm not that attached to 14 but I don't think it is the worst there :P 15:35:08 what honour 15:35:25 what! honour??? 15:35:30 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:30 toke up and fight wolves 15:36:01 mm, good include fixups 15:36:16 ??protip[26] 15:36:16