00:00:49 someone pm ontoclasm to tell him what it looks like 00:01:00 !! 00:01:10 i don't think i'm old enough for that 00:05:31 hrm 00:05:42 I think ui_random demonic runes look wrong 00:05:47 would be right for some hypothetical xom rune 00:07:32 possibly abyssal 00:07:41 apparently it does that in console? 00:08:11 fun fact: there are two different, completely different functions which enumerate colours for runes 00:08:20 PleasingFungus: they're not supposed to like... animate 00:08:22 *separate, completely different 00:08:33 i made them when there were multiple demonic runes 00:08:33 ontoclasm: ya I know 00:08:39 wanted to see how it'd look if they did 00:08:42 ah 00:09:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3531-g4b1633f: Re-randomize demonic rune tiles 10(41 seconds ago, 3 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b1633f80b94 00:09:58 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:06 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3530-gdc0a45c (34) 00:12:07 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:13:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:15:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:17 hm 00:18:20 pan would be a great place 00:18:21 for 00:18:24 more rune mimics... 00:24:50 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:25:26 -!- Limulus_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:10 +1 00:27:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:29 actually I think that might cause some people to break their computers 00:28:39 keyboards, mice, monitors, &c 00:28:42 maybe best to refrain 00:29:13 I'll sleep on it 00:29:22 doy: new cloak ego: cloak of thorns 00:29:31 opine 00:31:02 helmet imo 00:31:11 helmet egos are all boring currently 00:31:42 I have a vague feeling that's intentional. certainly there are more hat egos than helmet egos 00:31:50 powerful helmet nerfs 00:33:18 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:34:24 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:34:34 I wonder if you could balance +semicontrolledblink by making it as hard to evoke as +invis 00:37:07 cloak of fortitude 00:37:48 not sure how well evokable damage shaving would be, but damage shaving is my favorite crawl thing 00:37:57 is it 00:40:07 i should try a warper at some point, and see how usable passage actually is these days 00:40:20 imo 00:40:21 fowr 00:40:23 <_< 00:40:25 i kinda want to just remove semi-controlled blink as a concept entirely 00:40:27 d: 00:40:45 wow 00:40:47 the hate 00:40:47 scblink is better design than cblink imo 00:42:35 you know what's super hard 00:42:39 drawing water 00:43:01 buildings are easy 00:45:08 agreed 00:45:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 01:03:16 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:33 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:07:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:24 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:25 The build was fixed. 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(Snake:5) 02:47:27 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:47:52 -!- manman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:49:23 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:49:51 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:54:19 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:57:08 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:57:48 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:02:03 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:24:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28:22 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:37 -!- sesangsokuro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:49 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:41:34 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:42:57 !tell Grunt Shazbot 03:42:58 TZer0: OK, I'll let grunt know. 03:43:13 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:43:15 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:47:22 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:09 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:50:18 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:25 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 03:57:24 elemental staves should cause the appropriate skill to show up in the skill menu, probably 04:13:07 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18:19 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:22:26 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:25:17 -!- cc87 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:27:03 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30:40 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 04:34:16 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:35:31 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:41:30 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:44:00 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:05:10 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:55 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:58 !tell gammafunk thanks, fixed. please keep me posted if you find more consequences of the dist-upgrade on cdo 05:06:59 Napkin: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 05:11:32 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:32:01 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:34:02 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:35:14 tsouns (L19 DEEE) ASSERT(!fail) in 'ability.cc' at line 1865 failed. (Shoals:3) 05:38:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:41:33 4thArraOfDagon (L19 MfVM) ASSERT(!fail) in 'ability.cc' at line 1865 failed. (Depths:2) 05:41:53 4thArraOfDagon (L19 MfVM) ASSERT(!fail) in 'ability.cc' at line 1865 failed. (Depths:2) 05:50:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:53:39 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:00 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:46 Pikaro (L7 CeAM) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 208 / 15 (Sewer) 06:26:54 Pikaro (L7 CeAM) ERROR in 'prompt.cc' at line 337: slot not a letter: null (0) (Sewer) 06:26:59 Pikaro (L7 CeAM) ERROR in 'prompt.cc' at line 337: slot not a letter: null (0) (Sewer) 06:30:42 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:33:29 Pikaro (L7 CeAM) ERROR in 'prompt.cc' at line 337: slot not a letter: null (0) (Sewer) 06:33:38 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:44 Pikaro (L7 CeAM) ERROR in 'prompt.cc' at line 337: slot not a letter: null (0) (Sewer) 06:34:37 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:34:54 Pikaro (L7 CeAM) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 18 / 15 (Sewer) 06:36:47 !tell pleasingfungus yeah, I agree about the whole artp_fire block. It's hideous. Last night I wasn't able to think of a better plan, so I was hoping someone else would point one out. This morning I'm thinking a function to check if the base item already has the property in question is probably the approach to use. 06:36:47 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:37:31 -!- wat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:17 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:41:18 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:53 is there a way to find out if a floor item is stackable through lua? I can't find that function being exposed... I'd like to just autopickup anything I can stack. 06:43:52 -!- sesangsokuro_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:43:53 -!- sesangsokuro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:46:58 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:46:58 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:47:31 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:24 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:01:26 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:11:46 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:14:32 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:14:51 -!- Floop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:20:22 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25:48 -!- Mazed has quit [] 07:27:41 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:23 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:39:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:39:11 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:41 rebooting cdo 07:41:58 -!- Napkin has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:43:52 -!- Philonous has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:59:53 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:01:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:37 -!- manman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:00 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:42 re 08:06:20 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:28 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:49 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:12:57 -!- DeXoteric has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:16:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:17:09 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:49 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:19:20 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:07 -!- Philonous_ is now known as Philonous 08:30:43 4tharraofdagon (L16 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 509: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 1086 (Depths:2) 08:34:39 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:37:01 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:45:56 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:31 -!- Napkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:14 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" "You die, stupid. That's why it's called reality."] 08:58:15 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:26 hmm, i guess cdo rebooted when the isp removed the serial console 09:05:21 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:16 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:10:10 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:11:35 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:11:42 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:12:58 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:14:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:18:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:24:15 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:28:13 -!- Limulus__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:33 and I'm physically back at work today 09:30:41 worked from home yesterday 09:30:56 basically two weeks away 09:30:59 oh 09:31:03 wrong room! 09:33:25 Napkin: looks like gretell is still down? 09:34:22 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:27 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:38:15 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 09:41:12 -!- Deviljho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:44:13 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:56 oh, yes 09:48:20 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:59 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:51:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:33 -!- eeeeeta has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:57:37 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:57:43 |amethyst: imo merge mgrid and menv as well 09:57:48 no more 700 monster limit!! 09:58:47 !calc 80*70 09:58:48 5600 09:59:37 >_> 09:59:56 pentakilozigs 10:00:33 ohh, I bet you this is my fault 10:00:33 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:00:34 shit 10:00:34 filled with plants 10:01:14 The orc priest smites you! x224 10:01:18 Lasty_: yeah, you'd want some way to map from armour to artp 10:01:22 i guess that's already possible 10:01:26 I feel like you might actually want to map armour -> resists -> artp 10:01:32 but that's a bigger project, ofc 10:01:40 !crashlog tsouns 10:01:41 7. tsouns, XL19 DEEE, T:55915 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tsouns/crash-tsouns-20150107-113503.txt 10:01:59 isn't there something like that already so FDA doesn't get rF? 10:02:24 the way that FDA doesn't get rF is 10:02:32 some really horrible duplicate code 10:02:37 iirc 10:02:39 well, duh 10:02:46 we're talking about replacing that 10:03:15 is there something wrong with rf+++ randarts 10:03:18 reasonable 10:04:05 it'd make me have to find _some_ way to make zhor special again 10:04:21 eh? zhor is rc+++ 10:04:33 PleasingFungus: It's definitely a bigger project, but it could be long-term worthwhile to remove items having inherent properties, and instead make all inherent properties into ARTP_ properties. 10:04:49 zhor is aight 10:04:56 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:04:57 Lasty_: interesting idea 10:05:05 In which case a "ring of see invisible" is just a "ring" with ARTP_SEE_INVIS or whatever 10:05:07 sounds like more state 10:05:14 -!- debo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:05:30 unless you just push everything through the artp system, but don't actually store the artps on non-artefacts 10:05:40 yeah 10:05:48 which would be fine 10:06:12 The much simpler way is just to set up a mapping of which items negate which ARTPs or something 10:06:35 but it offers relatively little long-term benefit 10:06:49 kvaak: why would there be rF+++ but not rC+++ 10:08:13 Blerg. So many special case. 10:08:19 *cases 10:08:28 it's not like rc+++ is particularly interesting anyway, zhor could just get a completely unique property 10:08:53 idk, it has good synergy with things 10:08:56 ring of fire, ring of flames 10:09:27 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:10:12 So, the new randart generation system I'm working on assigns a randart a certain number of "good" and "bad" properties, and then finds properties to match by pulling from the full list of properties at random. I'm thinking it'd be fun to add some new good properties that cost 2 or more "good" slots. 10:10:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3532-g139d762 (34) 10:11:00 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:24 Looking for feedback on these ideas: running (for not-swappable things only); reflection (on non-shields, maybe one 1 good); evokable Ring of Fire; evokable Tornado with life-loss every turn its active 10:11:46 The new evokables would also have high Evo requirement for success 10:12:03 i assume you mean ring of flames? 10:12:06 er, yes 10:12:15 I couldn't remember if the spell had a different name 10:12:36 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3532-g139d762: Don't crash when failing to evoke blink 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=139d762e314b 10:12:40 that it does makes the pun a bit worse 10:13:22 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3532-g139d762 (34) 10:14:08 evokable ring of flames sounds nifty, it's kind of hard to find use for the spell as anything but a conjuration spammer 10:14:31 It's handy for melee / trailing fire clouds too 10:14:35 er 10:14:41 hard to use rather than hard to find use for 10:14:45 -!- cc87 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:14:50 finding uses for it is all but difficult 10:17:35 and by all but i mean everything except 10:17:48 maybe i'll get back to this when i can form sensible sentences 10:17:59 At this point I have no idea what you mean. :) 10:18:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:08 I'm surprised no one has yet said "evokable Tornado? Crazy talk!" 10:19:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:37 evocable level 7 dual-school spells sound powerful, but not that much more powerful than evocable level 6 spells (hi invis) 10:19:43 on the other hand, yeah 10:19:49 evocable tornado sounds excessive 10:20:10 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3532-g139d762 (34) 10:20:12 maybe like... a mini-tornado? a twister? maybe. 10:20:34 Yeah, I could get behind that. I was thinking it'd also drain an appreciable chunk of your HP each turn it's active. 10:21:36 could make it literally summon a twister 10:21:38 that would drain your hp 10:21:40 :) 10:21:58 I had considered that . . . that could be a compelling option, honestly. 10:22:05 a friendly one though so you don't miss out on xp! 10:22:09 There are times when summoning a neutral twister would be great 10:24:17 !send PleasingFungus the +5 whirlwind axe 10:24:18 Sending the +5 whirlwind axe to PleasingFungus. 10:24:51 !send kvaak the xp cost.... 10:24:52 Sending the xp cost.... to kvaak. 10:25:23 anyway, going back for a second, Lasty_, how do you see reflection working on non-shields? 10:25:29 like, mechanically 10:26:34 you use the 2 SH you get from your bone plates instead of a shield, duh 10:26:51 PleasingFungus: if a basilisk stares at you while you're wearing a helmet of reflection, it petrifies itself 10:26:51 !lg . fe-- max=sh x=sh 10:26:52 26. [sh=2] perunasaurus the Ripper (L13 FeTm of Ashenzari), slain by a trident of flaming in WizLab (wizlab_tukima) on 2014-09-08 19:42:25, with 43174 points after 37117 turns and 1:42:05. 10:27:11 rip 10:27:20 minmay: tech! 10:29:23 PleasingFungus: I see a few possibilities: one is that it would necessarily give you some amount of SH; another is that it would trigger on evade; another is that it would offer a (low) flat chance to reflect instead of hitting; lastly it could not interfere with the incoming attack at all but have a chance to fire back an identical attack at the attacker. 10:29:41 complex 10:29:46 I'm not a fan of #2 and #4 needs more new code 10:29:54 so i'm inclined towards 1) or 3) 10:30:13 sounds like it would have to be a property that's not actually the same as shield reflect 10:30:32 and so hopefully would not be called the same thing, since that'd be really misleading 10:30:38 yeah, probably. Shield reflect does nothing w/o SH, right? 10:30:42 deflection 10:30:53 heh 10:31:04 and yes, shield reflect only triggers on block, as I understand it. 10:31:32 I mean, 1) could use the same name: the +2 quarterstaff "Plog" {Reflect, SH+3} 10:32:48 * PleasingFungus shrugs. 10:33:17 <|amethyst> quarterstaff of reflection? 10:33:21 4) could be {Retaliate} 10:33:24 <|amethyst> someone's been watching too much Star Wars 10:33:42 <|amethyst> retaliate sounds like minotaur headbutt (which uses that word in the message) 10:33:43 |amethyst: shouldn't it be a long sword? 10:33:53 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I was thinking Darth Maul 10:34:05 quarterstaff of reflection {flame, slice, elec, dmsl} 10:34:06 |amethyst: Does he reflect things? I never got to the end of that movie. 10:34:09 heh 10:34:13 <|amethyst> Lasty_: oh, I dunno 10:34:30 About 15 minutes of the Phantom Menace was all I could take 10:34:30 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I theoretically got to the end of that movie, but damned if I remember details 10:34:59 I was thinking about another cloak ego; or, rather, a variant of my last idea. cloak of misdirection: when dodging melee attacks, has a (fairly high) chance of turning them into attacks on someone else (an adjacent enemy or the attacker itself) (very similar to ru's redirection) 10:35:03 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:35:26 essentially similar to hypothetical thorns ego, but more fun for players, since you get to see monsters hitting themselves and/or their pals 10:35:29 which is funny 10:36:42 the sea nymph touches itself 10:37:26 I'm a huge fan of attack redirection, and I don't think it would step on Ru's toes too much to have this be a rare randart ego 10:38:05 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3532-g139d762 (34) 10:38:09 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3532-g139d762 (34) 10:39:29 The +2 boots "Plog" {Tanuki} -- evokes for statue form? :D 10:40:12 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:41:45 well, there's the classic idea of boots evokable for swiftness 10:42:25 Rods already cover targeted conjuration-like effects and summoning, so in general I'm inclined to think that any new evocable randart properties shouldn't touch this area. I'd also generally be against charms, so maybe Ring of Flames is a bad choice . . . AOE/self-targeting effects seem good. Evokable ?immolation? Evokable !cancellation? 10:42:34 well, I wasn't thinking about randart egos 10:42:35 just ego item egos 10:42:51 that's just where my head's at 10:43:03 gotcha 10:44:11 Lasty_: well as i tried to say before ring of flames is a very nifty spell but it's hard to get it castable without being a conjuration spammer 10:44:15 which is a shame 10:44:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:44:40 kvaak: Now I get it! I agree w/ that. 10:44:54 That was why I thought it might be an interesting evokable power. 10:45:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:51 It might even be interesting as a boots-of-flight style always-on evoker. 10:46:05 but that might be too good 10:47:46 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:48:16 . . . I'm more and more liking the idea of evokable summon twister. Is that bad? :D 10:52:20 In a similar vein: evoke minefield: summon a few neutral fulminant prisms around the area. 10:55:14 ring of flames isn't really useful if you're not a conjuration spammer, though, isn't it 11:00:40 -!- HellTiger has quit [Client Quit] 11:02:22 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:03:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:07:17 what about evocable air walk 11:09:19 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 11:09:31 -!- cc87 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:13:07 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:17 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 11:15:55 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16:16 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16:16 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:18:53 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:15 rip minefield card 11:23:15 rip 11:23:55 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:24:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:19 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:31:30 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:34:55 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:41:33 -!- calyptra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:45:56 -!- Tedronai has quit [Client Quit] 11:47:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:48:35 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:49:20 -!- HDA_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:53:44 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:49 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:03 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:26 -!- KLANG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:29 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 12:00:42 minmay: I take that to mean that you think these evocable ideas are overpowered and/or just plain bad 12:05:47 imho don't over-extrapolate 12:05:49 <_< 12:10:53 tbh air walk is pretty much inherently funny 12:11:50 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:25 true 12:19:22 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 12:19:38 -!- HDA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:20:04 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:52 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:05 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:52 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:34:22 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:11 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:35:13 -!- cc87 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:35:25 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:16 Summoned Spriggan riders can leave a corpse 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9384 by Noname 12:43:16 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:04 <|amethyst> hm 12:44:36 <|amethyst> I thought Rod of Shadows picked from the D monster list? 12:46:53 <|amethyst> oh, I guess it picks from Depths too... but spriggan riders aren't on that list either 12:50:42 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 12:52:20 where was he? 12:52:41 because boggarts are in depths, right? 12:54:11 casting shadow creatures in swamp? 12:54:25 it's my best guess 12:54:26 <|amethyst> he specifically said rod of shadows 12:54:35 <|amethyst> yeah, could have been bogarts 12:54:38 or are they in a spriggan band? 12:54:59 because defenders and air mages are in depths ofc 12:55:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:05 !lg * killer=spriggan_rider s=br 12:55:06 488 games for * (killer=spriggan_rider): 216x Lair, 216x Swamp, 22x Depths, 16x D, 11x Abyss, 7x Forest 12:55:31 !lg * killer=spriggan_rider br=depths s=ikiller 12:55:31 22 games for * (killer=spriggan_rider br=depths): 8x the Enchantress, 8x a spriggan berserker, 4x a spriggan defender, 2x a spriggan rider 12:55:38 <|amethyst> !lg * recent killer=spriggan_rider s=br 12:55:38 330 games for * (recent killer=spriggan_rider): 186x Swamp, 121x Lair, 21x Depths, D, Forest 12:55:55 <|amethyst> ah 12:56:05 seems like a spriggan band yeah 12:56:58 <|amethyst> ah, yeah, spbe and spdef are both in Depths and can have riders in their bands 12:56:58 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:58:00 <|amethyst> Hm, that makes me think the band members are not properly marked as summoned 12:59:01 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:00:52 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:29 <|amethyst> hrm 13:05:31 <|amethyst> weird 13:06:22 <|amethyst> If I make a spriggan defender band dur:2 the band members have the appropriate abj duration, but killing half of one of the riders can leave a corpse 13:06:30 <|amethyst> but spriggan rider dur:2 does not 13:06:53 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:08:22 You say killing half leaves a corpse -- if you kill both, no corpse? 13:08:31 What if you kill the two halves in sequence? 13:08:32 <|amethyst> the second half doesn't seem to 13:08:33 <|amethyst> ohh 13:08:43 <|amethyst> I was looking at the wrong code 13:08:59 <|amethyst> !source monster::react_to_damage 13:08:59 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l6228 13:09:23 const actor *oppressor is just 13:09:26 such a great variable name 13:10:07 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:17 <|amethyst> !source mounted_kill 13:10:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-death.cc;hb=HEAD#l2836 13:10:26 <|amethyst> "monster* daddy" is even better 13:10:39 <|amethyst> and it looks like it does not copy the parent's enchantments 13:11:43 <|amethyst> hm, but why does it care about band member vs not then 13:12:02 <|amethyst> oh 13:12:08 <|amethyst> I was wrong, it doesn't 13:14:15 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [] 13:15:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:52 good thing this was caught before boneriders...! 13:16:16 !!! 13:16:40 The +3 morningstar "Plog" {flame, bonerider} 13:18:34 PleasingFungus: but the bone dragon corpses... 13:18:43 ?/plog 13:18:43 tomb raiders 13:18:44 Matching terms (1): plog; entries (2): plog[1] | shop[3] 13:18:50 ??plog 13:18:50 plog[1/3]: When Crawl's name generator generates a name too short, it returns "Plog" instead of rerolling. That's why this name appears relatively often. 13:18:55 <|amethyst> hmm 13:18:55 ah ok 13:19:08 magicpoints: critical for when we add bone dragon shields!!! 13:19:08 <|amethyst> what about (non-summoned) riders with inner flame? 13:19:12 !send magicpoints bone dragon shards 13:19:12 Sending bone dragon shards to magicpoints. 13:19:40 btw when do we get orc raiders 13:19:57 raiders of the lost orb 13:20:06 ! 13:20:36 the +2 adventurer's fedora {EV+4 ...} 13:23:48 [tipping of fedoras intensifies] 13:24:20 <|amethyst> hm, well, this doesn't make the first half of the monster explode, which disappoints me a little but is for the best I guess 13:24:42 heh 13:24:59 <|amethyst> there is some messaging weirdness if you kill the whole thing at once 13:25:05 <|amethyst> You pummel the spriggan rider!! 13:25:05 <|amethyst> The spriggan rider explodes! 13:25:05 <|amethyst> The fiery explosion engulfs you! 13:25:05 <|amethyst> You blow up the wasp! 13:26:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3533-gc382f62: Mark dying rider halves as summoned if they are (#9384) 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c382f62532d1 13:27:37 <|amethyst> ah, it doesn't explode because that monster_die call passes fake = true 13:29:33 It explodes! 13:30:20 -!- Bloax is now known as Bloax|Zzz 13:35:23 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:32 ??sid 13:36:32 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none | VS sd/4 13:36:52 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:54 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:00 -!- cc87 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:53:11 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:52 ??std 13:56:52 I don't have a page labeled std in my learndb. Did you mean: sgd, sid, st, stda, str, sts. 13:56:58 ??stda 13:56:58 storm dragon armour[1/1]: 10AC, 15ER, rElec. Can be created by enchanting a storm dragon hide. 13:57:07 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 13:57:10 storm dragon (12D) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 90-120 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 25, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2034 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 13:57:10 %??storm dragon 13:57:26 yes 13:57:33 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:19:01 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:31:12 -!- xug has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:35:17 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37:15 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: Reconnecting…] 14:38:08 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:38:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:54 for what it's worth, i'm in favor of keeping d:1 loot restrictions (although the exact details about where acquirement/experience/etc spawn i have fewer opinions about) 14:41:49 do we get context 14:41:54 ##crawl 14:42:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:12 oh 14:42:19 I don't read that 14:42:22 it's too tiring 14:42:30 is there something I should be reading 14:43:16 crate and minqmay are complaining to Lasty_ about weird restrictions on where certain kinds of loot is allowed to spawn 14:43:42 yup 14:43:48 Reasonable convincing, imo 14:43:57 s/able/ably/ 14:44:04 because apparently you can id acquirement based on the fact that it only spawns in d:4+ without stacks, or something 14:44:29 i'm less convinced (this all seems incredibly marginal to me), but i also don't care a lot 14:44:32 doy: what purpose does d1 loot restriction serve? 14:44:42 genuine question, not sarcastic 14:44:45 Lasty_: startscumming, mostly 14:45:03 the theoretically optimal player should keep notes about the depths and quantities of all items they find, so that they can cunningly save one or two id scrolls 14:45:07 maybe 14:45:31 monsters are also capped to be easier on d:1, so startscumming for stuff on d:2 is explicitly less easy 14:45:43 (if i remember correctly) 14:45:43 doy: tons of amazing stuff can still be found on d1 -- +6 ring of protection, for example 14:45:50 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" "You die, stupid. That's why it's called reality."] 14:46:18 the theoretically optimal player would make a script for that, obviously 14:46:20 electric weapons, etc. 14:46:37 dragon armour 14:46:49 so if we want to prevent startscumming, we need to try harder 14:47:02 or not try at all 14:47:09 discussions about the behavior of the theoretically optimal player bore me to tears 14:47:12 ^(implied point) 14:47:15 kvaak's I mean 14:47:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:22 Put more plainly, our current restrictions don't do that much to prevent start-scumming, so unless they also achieve something else, I'm not sure they're worth having. 14:48:23 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:32 <|amethyst> and our restriction that the player can't start the game with monsters in LOS doesn't do much to prevent players from dying on D:1 14:49:58 i also disagree with "we can't prevent everything, so we'd be better off not even trying" 14:50:02 especially that silly vault that starts you in a transparent box 14:50:02 <|amethyst> yeah 14:50:07 that one makes me laugh 14:50:19 fr: glass doors 14:50:29 !lm magicpoints 14:50:30 10493. [2015-01-07 19:42:42] magicpoints the Unseen (L18 NaTm of Makhleb) left the Pits of Slime on turn 16560. (Slime:1) 14:50:39 !lm magicpoints x=urune 14:50:40 10493. [2015-01-07 19:42:42] [urune=3] magicpoints the Unseen (L18 NaTm of Makhleb) left the Pits of Slime on turn 16560. (Slime:1) 14:50:49 doy: my point isn't "we can't prevent everything so why try?", my point is "we hardly prevent anything, so why try?" 14:52:03 I would disagree with the latter assertion 14:52:43 |amethyst: I can't tell -- is your comment about monsters on D1 taking a side in startscumming vs not? 14:53:43 <|amethyst> it was supposed to be a reductio ad absurdum of "we don't do a good job of this so why bother" 14:54:00 I'm not sure we're trying to stop players from dying on D1. Are we? 14:54:21 something about starting stat variance comes to mind 14:54:28 <|amethyst> we're trying to keep them from dying at the very beginning of the game 14:54:38 <|amethyst> !lg * !boring turns<20 14:54:39 23389. apurpledinosaur the Insei (L1 DsMo), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 (minmay_arrival_split_and_join) on 2015-01-07 20:30:07, with 1 point after 17 turns and 0:00:22. 14:54:43 the name doesn't though 14:54:45 considering the difference between monsters on d1 and d2 is much, much greater than say, d2 and d3 i'd say yes 14:54:46 <|amethyst> and not doing a great job 14:54:55 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:24 <|amethyst> anyway, I don't have a strong feeling about the randart thing 14:55:34 <|amethyst> but will note that the formulas are kind of silly 14:55:39 <|amethyst> for weapons: 14:55:46 <|amethyst> item_level > 2 && x_chance_in_y(101 + item_level * 3, 4000) 14:55:57 Awright, so it sounds like most devs in the discussion are weighing in on the side of "prevent startscumming by limiting loot spawns on D1". 14:56:08 <|amethyst> so the difference between level 2 and level 10, let's say, is negligible 14:56:26 For those who take that position, should we limit the spawn of good rings, weapons, and armour on D1? 14:59:05 my position is that it's highly impractical to get a significantly better start by startscumming, at present, than you'd probably get by playing normally 14:59:21 seems like most every game you get something real nice in the first few floors. there are so many options for nice things 14:59:28 I agree with that 14:59:38 I suspect that !xp would break that 14:59:47 since !xp is a huge deal, much moreso than most nicethings 14:59:49 early on 14:59:54 also it can spawn on d1! 14:59:57 o 15:00:03 in that case I no longer care about this conversation at all 15:00:09 I'm done 15:00:25 yes well I believe one of Lasty_'s points was that the distinction of what can and what can't spawn on d1 seems rather arbitrary 15:00:35 The thing that keeps people from scumming d1 !xp is that !xp very rarely spawns anywhere 15:00:37 <|amethyst> berserker rage is the only potion restricted from level 1 15:00:50 which is true of most everything else we prevent from spawning on D1 also, though to a lesser extent 15:01:48 |amethyst: huh. Was there a previous version of the game where !rage could be inherently fatal instead of just fatal when used wrong? 15:02:11 <|amethyst> Lasty_: it's fatal right now if a gnoll drinks it 15:02:25 yeah, that's the other aspect to d:1 restrictions 15:02:26 |amethyst: oh, ah. So's haste tho. 15:03:55 <|amethyst> looks like the item_level > 2 things on artefacts dates back to pre-SS 15:04:42 I mean, at the end of the day, I don't feel particularly strongly/urgently about this issue, I just don't think the current state of affairs makes much sense. 15:05:00 what is worth caring urgently about nowadays 15:05:10 (key modifier at the end there) 15:06:37 can anyone help me with some python? 15:06:40 <|amethyst> I'd probably start by making subtype selection use random_pick_entry 15:07:16 theTower: The size of restaurant sodas, and nothing else. 15:07:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: maybe? 15:07:55 it is important to lower the amount of flavoured fizzy corn syrup handed out, I agree 15:09:10 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:07 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:58 -!- minmay_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:22 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:28:03 !lg . mibe 15:28:03 4. gammafunk the Severer (L17 MiBe of Trog), quit the game on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_broken_diamonds) on 2015-01-07 21:24:21, with 204220 points after 18258 turns and 4:19:42. 15:28:11 we almost made it, not bad for no. 3 15:28:32 next time a tele post mark cancelation 15:28:34 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:37 .gfnext 15:28:37 NaVM^Chei 15:28:55 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:29:03 -!- minqmay_ is now known as minqmay 15:29:12 -!- minmay_ is now known as minmay 15:29:19 gammafunk: Almost made what? 15:29:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:45 !lm . mibe current trunk rune s=turns,noun 15:29:45 2 milestones for gammafunk (mibe current trunk rune): 13145 (gossamer), 9253 (barnacled) 15:30:01 Lasty_: mibe speedrun going for 40-50k 15:30:03 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:09 maybe <40k if I was lucky 15:30:25 next time probably slime before V though 15:30:46 You had 18k in Vaults:5 -- that seems like on track for <40k . . . 15:31:00 but then I don't really know how speedrunning works 15:31:00 Lasty_: 15 runes 15:31:09 since I'm going for score here 15:31:37 gammafunk: oh, hmm. 15:31:44 Sounds tricky. 15:31:51 it's about: 6k pan, 5k hell, 1.5k abyss, 2ktomb, 1.5k slime, 2k ascension 15:31:53 I need to watch you do a speedrun at some point 15:32:06 you should, it's fun 15:32:27 and 1.5k for diving depths 15:32:36 so <40k possible, not terribly likely 15:33:19 Lasty_: 4tharra is one of the very best and has been playing again recently, on clan 15:33:23 he's really fun to watch 15:33:28 !lg 4tharraofdagon 15:33:29 8237. 4tharraofdagon the Stinger (L1 MuVM), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2015-01-07 14:33:29, with 7 points after 298 turns and 0:01:36. 15:33:40 purplered was the best active, but he's not active any more 15:34:00 !hs * -2 15:34:02 3887176/3887177. PurpleRed the Imperceptible (L26 VSBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-07-21 09:27:21, with 65223715 points after 21968 turns and 11:07:28. 15:34:08 gammafunk: how many turns do you budget for Zot/escape? 15:34:15 that run would have been no. 1 but for an unlucky abyssal 15:34:24 Lasty_: 1.5-2k is pretty easy to achieve 15:34:30 and you can do even 1k if you're lucky 15:34:34 you dive zot of course 15:34:48 Diving Zot is a good choice even w/o speedrunning 15:34:51 so it's like 1.5-2k from entering zot 15:34:52 yeah it is 15:34:58 and so is orb ninja a lot of times 15:35:13 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:35:42 gammafunk: I tried orb ninja for the first time in the most recent CSDC. It was much easier than I thought. Of course, I was playing a real tank at the time. 15:36:00 yeah some gods like Dith make it extra easy 15:36:06 zin is also very good I'm sure 15:36:16 Yeah, Sanctuary seems really good there 15:36:34 but a solid char can just survive and tele without much effort; elliptic says he's never really come close to dying doing it 15:36:40 Dith is so good. I love that god. 15:36:58 I do like how general dith turned out to be 15:37:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:40 Yeah. It's got stuff for everyone but the things it offers aren't equally good for everyone, so it actually feels significantly different for different sorts of characters. Really solid design. 15:38:16 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:38:20 mikee god design 15:38:23 <3 15:38:47 fr: god of diesel 15:38:59 Dieselmenos 15:39:05 ??wulndraste[$ 15:39:05 wulndraste[5/5]: Wulndraste: you can't stairdance, but you're so strong you don't care. 15:39:09 almost sounds german 15:39:33 I'll try W when it comes to cszo 15:39:47 Oh, Wulndraste. I'm not sure what to do with you. There's still some stuff that needs to get added/addressed, but I just don't know if it adds up to fun. 15:40:03 i don't think W is that near meriting being in trunk yet, yeah 15:40:08 Lasty_: did you see my W V:$ run 15:40:19 oh, well when I said comes to cszo, I meant as experimental branch 15:40:20 not in trunk 15:40:35 Lasty_: what parts of it don't feel fun? 15:40:52 Grunt: I saw part of it 15:41:24 gammafunk: The conduct is obnoxious, and the rest of the god's stuff doesn't add enough fun to offset the obnoxious. 15:41:48 Check the Wulndraste thread on GDD if you want more specific reactions 15:45:25 Lcratey 15:46:01 ? 15:50:26