00:01:41 !rng reasonable not_reasonable 00:01:41 The RNG chooses: not_reasonable. 00:01:49 alas 00:02:06 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3499-gfbbdc41 (34) 00:03:44 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:04:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 00:14:17 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:29:02 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:29:55 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:38 does anyone buy food shops btw? 00:33:15 like, you normally would never need them, but gozag you conceivably could since there are no chunks, but you can't afford food shops at anywhere near a similar rate to the maount of lost chunks, so ... 00:35:45 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:38:07 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38:39 well, you don't need that full amount of lost chunks 00:38:46 you just buy what you need 00:39:39 I did a Tr of G when he gave potions, and I def. bought !porridge 00:49:47 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:58 -!- fenzil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:46 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56:39 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:37 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:42 -!- Sprort has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:22 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:50 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:24:06 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:25:47 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:27:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:34 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 01:40:26 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:34 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:41:05 -!- ZRN_ is now known as ZRN 01:56:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:08:44 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:14 !lm . 02:21:14 11370. [2015-01-05 08:18:37] gammafunk the Severer (L13 MiBe of Trog) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 9253. (Shoals:5) 02:21:24 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3499-gfbbdc41 (34) 02:25:13 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:37:37 -!- pwnmonkey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:38:13 -!- theTower_ has left ##crawl-dev 02:47:25 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:51:51 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:01:42 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:07:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:15:45 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:17:19 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:43:44 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:30 -!- CacoS has quit [] 04:00:12 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:04:22 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:21:17 webtiles-changes games.conf.d doesn't work if there are no [[games]] defined in config.toml 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9382 by johnstein 04:28:54 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:32:43 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:34:41 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:43:24 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:43:26 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 04:46:10 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 04:46:43 !tell gammafunk I'm trying to get the latest webtiles-changes to work on dbro. I added a few things to my config based on the latest updates, copied over webserver/*.py, webserver/static/ and webserver/templates/ (also webserver/game_data/). I can play but my name isn't highlighted and the new score stuff isn't working 04:46:43 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 05:03:38 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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Use !messages to read it. 06:08:08 edlothiol: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 06:14:44 !messages 06:14:44 (1/1) Grunt said (1d 20h 4m 25s ago): no. 06:14:49 !tell Grunt Yes. 06:14:49 TZer0: OK, I'll let grunt know. 06:14:50 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:09 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:22:21 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:26:54 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:40:32 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:40:34 -!- Isvaffell has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:04 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:42:04 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:55:38 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:24:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:31:14 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:32:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:46 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42:12 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:14 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44:09 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:45:32 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:57:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:57:29 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 08:00:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:01:49 -!- pwnmonkey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:04 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:31 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:03:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 08:06:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:08:16 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:27:54 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:36:26 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:51:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:58:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:28 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:01:47 <|amethyst> oh, found out a little more about that abuse complaint I got a few weeks ago 09:01:47 <|amethyst> I had gotten a complaint about NTP reflection attacks coming from my IPs 09:01:57 o_O 09:02:02 <|amethyst> I was in fact running an NTP server, though one without monlist 09:02:06 <|amethyst> so I shut it down 09:02:19 <|amethyst> I got got a note saying they got two more similar abuse reports since then 09:02:32 <|amethyst> I looked closer at the IP address they gave me... it is my gateway 09:02:42 <|amethyst> to which, AFAIK, I don't have a login 09:03:43 Well that's just swell. 09:05:27 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:06:37 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:13:37 -!- Erashi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:13:58 <|amethyst> ...and when I try calling their phone number it just hangs up in the middle of ringing 09:15:50 That doesn't sound good at all. 09:21:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:22:09 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:25:35 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:09 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 09:30:38 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:22 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:42:14 -!- Mazed has quit [Client Quit] 09:42:52 -!- wat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:08 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:31 <|amethyst> !learn edit cszo[1] s/Florida/Georgia/ 09:43:31 cszo[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.s-z.org -- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa". In case of DNS problems, use crawl.dobrazupa.org. Also has webtiles at http://crawl.s-z.org/. 09:43:37 <|amethyst> Found some information about the move to Georgia last year http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1322670 09:44:47 Georgia? Even closer to Boston. Much better. 09:45:11 Just keep moving it one state north every year. You can stop when you hit the Canadian border. 09:46:19 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:48:16 <|amethyst> Lasty_: that was from Pennsylvania to Georgia 09:48:45 <|amethyst> I had thought Florida because that's where the company is based 09:50:19 Oh. :( 09:50:31 This is a disaster. 09:54:43 On a different topic, I've been considering broadening the pool of traits that randarts can receive, including up to +10 bonuses to individual stats. I haven't come up with a full list of possibilities, but in general I like the idea of adding a wider range of possible artifact traits, both positive and negative. I don't want to buff randarts overall, but I do want to increase their variance. :D 09:55:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:18 could make +HP and +MP allowed on all randarts 09:58:52 maybe even allow +AC/+EV again, but with a low cap (2 or 3) 10:00:40 <|amethyst> Lasty_: increasing variance is a buff, kind of, because no one uses the bad ones 10:01:18 <|amethyst> there is no practical difference between a -1 cloak (str-2, dex-2) and a -5 cloak (str-10, dex-10) 10:06:46 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:07:37 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:07:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:00 |amethyst: true. I was considering adding some logic to try to make more interestingly-mixed artifacts. 10:11:23 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:11:24 just don't make too much of a mix-up 10:11:27 <3e 10:11:53 But also no one uses +3 chainmail {+2 dex, +3 str} -- people might use +3 chainmail {+8 dex, +4 str} 10:12:18 or +3 chainmail {reflection} 10:13:38 but that's because a +3 chain of {dex+8 str+4} is actually good 10:13:55 but like all things good they won't be common :^) 10:13:55 Bloax: Yes. 10:14:39 But it'll be good in a different sort of way, which can be interesting. 10:14:39 oh definitely 10:14:53 much more Interesting than dropping the -7 cloak of the Chupacabra {rPois rF+}. 10:16:28 sky armour 10:16:50 The real question is, will you wear the distressingly furry +11 chainmail {dex+8, str-4, HP-10, rRot} 10:17:04 HP-10, ew 10:19:03 I'd wear that. But rRot is so rarely relevant that I wouldn't add that as an option 10:19:21 that is one delicious chainmail 10:19:31 You feel terrible. 10:20:55 Maybe make it rRot- 10:21:08 what an Almost Entirely Terrific idea 10:21:11 It's there to make tavern threads longer 10:21:34 the +7 bone mail armour {rN+++ rRot rHoly-} 10:22:07 just give it rTorment instead 10:22:10 tavern will explode 10:22:26 so gud for extended! 10:23:20 {rN+++ rRot rTorm+++ rPois rC++ rDrown rHoly-- Refrig} 10:23:36 Grunt: the +7 bone meal armour {calcium+++} 10:23:47 Lasty_: Your bones feel tougher. 10:25:08 your bones feel... delicious? 10:26:32 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:31:52 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:32:54 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:42 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:50:55 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 10:51:49 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:56:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04:14 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:04:23 You butcher the bone dragon. You see here a bone dragon hide. 11:05:02 FR: distressingly furry dragons 11:05:12 bone dragon shards 11:05:15 bone dragon shield...... 11:05:37 ok so, all dragons have bones 11:05:48 so what is the difference between a bone dragon shield and a dragon bone shield 11:05:57 FR: skin dragons 11:06:01 I think dwarf fortress might have those 11:06:24 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3500-ga03936f: Update Android.mk. 10(57 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a03936fc54a0 11:06:32 3500 11:06:33 yay 11:07:22 Wensley: DF doesn't have any kind of dragon other than a plain old dragon that breathes fire. 11:07:24 wait those numbers mean something 11:07:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:07:37 Bloax: but you can zombify anything, right? 11:07:45 pretty much 11:07:46 and you can animate skin and hair separately from bones 11:08:02 spooky scary dragon skin 11:08:02 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:10 actually i don't think dragons have skin 11:08:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:35 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3499-gfbbdc41 (34) 11:19:07 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:24:34 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:39 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:40 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:53 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 11:37:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:31 !seen |amethyst 11:39:31 I last saw |amethyst at Mon Jan 5 16:01:17 2015 UTC (1h 38m 14s ago) saying 'there is no practical difference between a -1 cloak (str-2, dex-2) and a -5 cloak (str-10, dex-10)' on ##crawl-dev. 11:42:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: what's up? 11:44:27 thinking about proposed feature freeze 11:44:33 the current big standing issue is gozag, I think 11:44:38 do we think it's ready for release? 11:45:41 status: potion petition is okay, call merchant wants some tweaking but imho is basically ok, not sure about bribe branch, not sure about wrath, really still quite dubious about duplication. 11:46:16 <|amethyst> hm 11:46:35 <|amethyst> I haven't gotten far enough with Gozag to have an opinion 11:47:08 hrm 11:47:08 !seen Grunt 11:47:08 I last saw Grunt at Mon Jan 5 17:06:33 2015 UTC (40m 10s ago) saying 'yay' on ##crawl-dev. 11:47:41 <|amethyst> make duplicating weapon/armour give you a free mercenary using that equipment? 11:49:12 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:51 !seen PleasingFungus 11:50:57 I last saw PleasingFungus at Mon Jan 5 17:46:42 2015 UTC (4m 9s ago) saying '!seen Grunt ' on ##crawl-dev. 11:51:08 |amethyst: sounds like a different ability entirely, awkwardly mashed into the existing one 11:51:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:51:53 imo if we want gozag to offer mercenaries, we should just support that; I don't think duplicate is the best place for that 11:52:07 imo ask dpeg for Gozag design advice 11:52:17 Grunt: scroll up slightly but I was basically asking "how far do we think gozag is from ready to release?" 11:52:40 Gozag plays a lot better now than he did back when I 11:52:42 !lg . gozag 11:52:43 13. SGrunt the Miracle Worker (L27 SpSk of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-06-08 00:22:20, with 1325761 points after 157429 turns and 6:52:49. 11:52:44 since certain people were hinting about a feature freeze sooner than later 11:55:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 11:56:53 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:42 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:00:32 !lg * gozag skill=invocations s=title 12:00:33 5 games for * (gozag skill=invocations): 2x Tycoon, Plutocrat, Opulent, Entrepreneur 12:02:34 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:36 PleasingFungus: i think N might be bigger than G, honestly 12:02:49 the new changes still could use ironing out 12:02:50 yes 12:02:52 N needs work 12:03:01 N isn't very playable right now 12:03:08 N is a bit too playable 12:05:00 I don't think Gozag is ready for release, fwiw. I'm still seeing very little positive feedback about worshipping G. 12:05:27 And every time I play Newnewmelex, cards kill me, so I'm guessing that still needs some work. 12:09:50 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 12:11:24 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 12:11:48 -!- pyre has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:11:55 -!- Lprsti99_______ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:13:18 hm, there doesn't seem to be anything that actually uses CFLAG_MARKED 12:13:32 in that it only gets set at the same time as CFLAG_SEEN 12:14:14 -!- socks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:14:14 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:17:12 -!- domiryuu_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:17:57 <|amethyst> maybe someone still has old decks they used Mark Four on? 12:17:57 <|amethyst> but yeah 12:18:10 <|amethyst> %git :/Mark Four 12:18:12 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-981-g26f1bf4: Remove an unused deck property (from Mark Four times). 10(2 years, 9 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26f1bf4fa12f 12:19:34 <|amethyst> oh, we've had a compat break since then 12:20:48 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 12:22:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:57 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:47 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:26:54 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:31:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:33 when exactly was the last compat break? 12:34:42 idk about N. I feel like some element of suicide is important 12:34:58 but I haven't played new-new-new (etc) N, so possibly there's an excessive amount at present 12:35:13 should make N my next game 12:36:42 storm, uglies, and foxfire are the only cards with a downside AFAICT 12:36:53 well 12:37:03 Storm does so many different things that it's hard to tell what it does 12:37:28 sure, i'm not saying since you no longer kill yourself it's perfectly designed 12:37:30 I remember hangedman was complaining about that 12:37:54 also I'd forgotten N no longer had a card that tossed orb of elec 12:37:55 :( 12:38:04 what 12:38:06 we'll always have makhleb, I guess 12:38:08 !lg . vmsg~~orb_of_elec 12:38:09 1. SGrunt the Prestidigitator (L11 HuAr of Nemelex Xobeh), killed themself with a bounced orb of electricity on D:11 on 2013-01-27 20:58:26, with 9063 points after 18219 turns and 0:51:12. 12:38:10 !send PleasingFungus an orb of fragmentation 12:38:11 Sending an orb of fragmentation to PleasingFungus. 12:38:12 rip :( 12:38:29 this was from the second-to-most-recent N revision, iir 12:38:31 c 12:38:35 the loss of orb of elec 12:39:00 !lg Lasty Nemelex cv=0.16-a s=killer 12:39:00 3 games for Lasty (Nemelex cv=0.16-a): an ancient lich, a red ugly thing, a smoke demon 12:39:10 The ancient lich was after Nemelex banished me. 12:39:21 The red ugly thing was summoned by a card on D4 or so 12:40:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:40 the deck of oddities is a very strange nem thing 12:40:50 yes 12:40:52 I've never really liked it 12:40:54 tbh 12:41:12 <3 oddities 12:41:17 really 12:41:21 Sort of like having Trog's Hand sometimes give you MR-- and drain hp over time 12:41:25 welllll 12:41:36 sometimes Xom helps you 12:41:47 nem is, to some extent, the god of randomness 12:41:50 trog is not 12:42:01 (also my opinion is not to be believed because <3 Xom) 12:42:44 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:43:30 my vague feeling is that oddities pushes nem too far into "suicidal randomness", but it is a matter of degree 12:43:50 PleasingFungus: Nemelex and Xom both cover randomness; Xom's randomness is continuous while you worship the god. Nemelex's you have to actively invoke (well, evoke). It's one thing to know that Xom might at any time banish you, it's another to know that choosing to resolve a difficult situation with cards might result in getting banished. 12:44:11 in principle, that's what the various ways to control your draw are for 12:44:22 but I think making any uncontrolled draw *that* suicidal is too far 12:44:24 but Oddities defeats it 12:44:28 uh 12:44:29 does it 12:44:42 Oddities cards can be substituted for any card you draw after using deck manipulation 12:44:45 Unless that got changed 12:45:01 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:02 I'm looking and it's only called in init_deck and draws from the deck of punishment 12:46:15 I don't know that it could ever defeat deck manipulation 12:46:18 I thought that was part of Nem penance 12:46:19 another suicidal thing: if you deal four from a deck that doesnt' have four cards you draw from the deck of wrath,but there's no way to know how many cards are in a deck 12:46:19 but it doesn't seem to be able to at present 12:46:42 hm,right, that;'s punishment not oddities 12:46:52 well, nem penance reshuffles your decks iirc 12:46:55 which may be what you're thinking of 12:46:56 whereas the point of deck manipulation is to defuse oddities 12:47:11 well, to defuse oddities & also the other random chance already present in decks 12:47:26 since there are plenty of times that specific cards actually in a deck type may be desirable or undesirable 12:47:32 damnation isn't in oddities anyway 12:47:34 it's in escape 12:47:39 wtf 12:47:51 yeah, destruction probably would make more sense 12:48:15 worse: it's not even mentioned in ?/ or inventory descriptions of the decks how many cards come in a deck 12:48:22 it's also in the deck of defence 12:48:24 well, you "escape" into the abyss 12:49:11 ebering: well, that's fixable 12:49:15 yea 12:49:35 But yeah, I was thinking of Punishment, not Oddities. My mistake. I thought you had odds to draw from Punishment no matter what, but I could be wrong. 12:50:02 (other describe quirks: ?/I deck doesn't show cards a deck can contain, nor does it mention oddities) 12:50:44 -!- JuicyPear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:38 ?/I being buggy has been on mantis forever 12:51:38 No matches. 12:51:42 ... 12:51:47 I don't think that's buggy? 12:51:49 oh 12:51:52 I guess I see what you mean 12:52:19 yeah, I want to make deck descriptions let you look up cards directly, like the spellbook ui 12:52:31 but making ?/i work correctly would be good too 12:52:39 Lasty: nemelex penance & draw 4 with fewer than 4 cards left in the deck 12:52:50 (punishment) 12:53:23 specificially, ?/I seems to show only a subset of what describing something in the inventory does 12:53:35 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:37 maybe just replace deck of oddities with deck of xom, it would preserve the randomness but eliminate a lot of the problems with oddities 12:53:49 is the deck of xom just the xom card 12:53:56 deck of xom is the deck with only xom cards 12:54:14 ??deck of oddities 12:54:14 deck of oddities[1/1]: 1% of all cards are replaced by one of these: Genie, Bargain, Wrath, Xom, Feast, Famine, Curse. 12:54:19 wow that's old 12:54:27 lol it still says bargain 12:54:35 ??bargain card 12:54:35 bargain card[1/1]: see {brgn} 12:54:36 What's currently in the deck? 12:54:44 not bargain 12:54:46 Lasty: one sec 12:55:04 !learn edit bargain_card[1] s/.*/Card that gave you a discount on items in shops. Removed. 12:55:05 bargain card[1/1]: Card that gave you a discount on items in shops. Removed. 12:55:26 !learn s deck_of_oddities When decks are generated, 1% of cards are replaced by one of these: Wrath, Xom, Feast, Famine, Curse, Helix, Focus. 12:55:26 deck of oddities[1/1]: When decks are generated, 1% of cards are replaced by one of these: Wrath, Xom, Feast, Famine, Curse, Helix, Focus. 12:55:44 this may be wrong for stable but I don't really care tbh 12:56:20 it's still more right than *bargain* 12:56:22 I'd probably rather draw from the Deck of Xom than that deck 12:57:13 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:16 can drawing famine still kill you 12:57:19 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:54 yeah, deck of xom is obviously much better than that 12:57:54 Not directly. 12:57:54 !lg sgrunt 107 -tv 12:58:10 107/1385. SGrunt, XL16 SpEn, T:42163 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:58:10 !tv lemuel dis:7 1 12:58:10 actually I think that's the wrong one 12:58:10 1/2. Lemuel, XL27 HuHe, T:128615 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:58:25 !lg sgrunt 147 -tv 12:58:25 147/1385. SGrunt, XL11 SpEn, T:16280 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:58:25 Grunt: tell me you remembered that index off the top of your head 12:58:26 nrook once got instakilled by famine -> para 12:58:35 PleasingFungus: of course I did! 12:59:02 ha 12:59:04 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:59:09 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:26 PleasingFungus: this tv is better 12:59:32 much better, probably 12:59:41 idk that deck of oddities needs to exist as a mechanic, but if it does, xom card seems like a cute way to get the randomness without the nastiness 12:59:41 also wow that was a good death 12:59:41 <3 power 3 orb 12:59:41 hm 12:59:42 this looks wrong 12:59:46 oh, there it goes 12:59:59 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:01:46 rip. 13:01:52 -!- Siegurt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03:04 .td 13:03:05 1. cha930817, XL14 MiBe, T:21161 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:03:13 !bug 9382 13:03:13 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9382 13:03:53 my code had......a bug?!?! impossible! 13:04:14 gammafunk: rip. 13:04:20 1% of your code is drawn from the headerfile of oddities. 13:04:35 gosh, that trog code wrath is the worst 13:04:37 s/1/100/ 13:04:53 s/100/10000/ 13:04:58 !!! 13:04:58 gammafunk: which code 13:05:13 well it actually might the The Australians code! 13:05:14 !send PleasingFungus !!! 13:05:15 Sending !!! to PleasingFungus. 13:05:16 *might be 13:05:35 but I didn't catch this when refactoring, to say the least 13:05:45 !refactor gammafunk 13:05:53 dang, robin's killratio has passed 12.5% 13:05:59 not sure why it's creeping up again 13:06:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:06:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:25 is goblin projectile damage too high? 13:06:26 unknown monster: "robin" 13:06:26 %??robin 13:06:55 probably doesn't say af_goblin(1-d) or whatever anyhow 13:06:58 !lg * current trunk ikiller=robin s=ckaux 13:06:58 939 games for * (current trunk ikiller=robin): 243x club, 236x, 111x dagger, 46x stone, 36x spear, 29x wand of flame, 27x wand of magic darts, 26x goblin, 22x trident, 21x mace, 19x falchion, 18x wand of frost, 15x short sword, 11x whip, 9x dagger of electrocution, 5x sling bullet, 5x whip of electrocution, 3x short sword of electrocution, 3x spear of flaming, 2x short sword of venom, 2x spear of ... 13:07:02 sad 13:07:07 need to submit a monster patch 13:07:22 a monster of a patch 13:07:36 !lg * current trunk ikiller=robin ckaux=goblin max=dam x=dam 13:07:36 26. [dam=3] spelunker the Skirmisher (L3 VSBe of Trog), hit from afar by Robin (goblin) on D:3 on 2014-11-20 17:41:13, with 44 points after 249 turns and 0:01:10. 13:07:41 oh that's uh 13:07:46 that's not a lot of dam 13:07:48 good 13:07:48 ya 13:07:50 1d4-1 pre-ac 13:07:52 it's joke damage 13:07:56 !lg * vmsg~~Robin.*Ijyb 13:07:57 No games for * (vmsg~~Robin.*Ijyb). 13:07:59 !lg * current trunk ikiller=robin ckaux=goblin s=kaux 13:08:00 26 games for * (current trunk ikiller=robin ckaux=goblin): 25x Hit by a goblin thrown by Robin, Hit by a goblin thrown by something 13:08:03 !lg * vmsg~~Ijyb.*robin 13:08:04 No games for * (vmsg~~Ijyb.*robin). 13:08:07 !lg * vmsg~~Ijyb.*Robin 13:08:07 No games for * (vmsg~~Ijyb.*Robin). 13:08:08 dang. 13:08:41 you say robin has a hard time throwing anything unless there are that many g around her? 13:08:45 I have trouble imagining anyone getting killed by Robin unless she has a nasty wand or weapon ego, or they let themselves get surrounded. I don't think she's overpowered 13:08:51 it does seem like a lot of g 13:09:04 if invisible robin throws an invisible goblin at you does it say hit by something thrown by something 13:09:16 well I think the mighted g can be pretty nasty 13:09:32 The thrown goblins get mighed? 13:09:33 kvaak: the kill message should not, though I might have to fix it 13:09:33 Mighted 13:09:44 no she mights them I think 13:09:47 or does the rally cry thing? 13:09:49 ya 13:09:52 which is 2/3rds of a might 13:09:54 Huh. Never noticed. 13:09:59 !lg * lasty s=tiles 13:10:00 No keyword 'lasty' 13:10:00 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 13:10:00 %?? goblin 13:10:04 !lg *lasty s=tiles 13:10:04 No keyword '*lasty' 13:10:09 !lg lasty s=tiles 13:10:09 250 games for lasty: 250x false 13:10:11 heh 13:10:29 tiles reasons 13:10:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:45 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 13:10:45 %??goblin perm_ench:roused 13:10:48 hrm 13:10:55 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 13:10:55 %??goblin perm_ench:might 13:10:56 console players do tend to read the messages a bit differently than tiles players, but yeah sometime we can miss enchants 13:10:56 say 0-8-ish damage means battlecry goes to 0-10-ish . . . 13:11:00 Not a huge difference 13:11:11 hobgoblin (07g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 2 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:11:11 %??hobgoblin 13:11:15 also buffs these guys 13:11:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:11:17 mostly we know the monsters well and look for the messages or just double-check if we're unsure 13:11:21 I assume some of her goblins have weapons 13:11:31 not huge tho & I agree she's not overpowered 13:11:38 just a little surprised by the killrate rising over time 13:11:46 Probably due to carelessness 13:11:49 heh 13:11:58 -!- AlexMcc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11:59 well I would guess that 13:11:59 People will learn to look out for swarms of os 13:11:59 her cutting off escape is the big factor 13:12:12 ya, that's the actual point of goblin toss 13:12:15 since she'll throw them so you're surrounded 13:12:27 yeah, the ai tries to toss them on the opposite side of you 13:12:28 right 13:12:33 the damage is a funny joke 13:12:34 !lg * x=start 13:12:35 3882209. [start=2015-01-05 19:09:13 [20150005190913S]] Stanimator the Skirmisher (L2 GrFi), slain by a kobold (a +0 dagger of distortion) on D:1 on 2015-01-05 19:09:36, with 7 points after 97 turns and 0:00:22. 13:12:37 and she does a decent job of it 13:12:52 !killratio robin * start>=2015 13:12:56 if you let her 13:12:56 robin wins 16.15% of battles against * (start>=2015). 13:13:10 !lg * ikiller=robin start>=2015 13:13:10 136. ELD the Cudgeler (L4 GrWn), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0 club) (led by Robin) on D:3 on 2015-01-05 18:56:57, with 68 points after 363 turns and 0:04:08. 13:13:11 !lg greatplayers ikiller=robin 13:13:12 24. agentgt the Insei (L3 LaTm), slain by a goblin (a +0 dagger) (led by Robin) on D:2 on 2014-12-31 18:49:12, with 35 points after 880 turns and 0:03:12. 13:13:19 !lg greatplayers ikiller=robin s=name 13:13:19 24 games for greatplayers (ikiller=robin): 4x nht, 4x jeanjacques, 3x agentgt, 3x nago, 3x HilariousDeathArtist, 2x Elynae, Berder, kryft, MackTheKnife, araganzar, zzxc 13:13:42 glad jeanjacques is playing again 13:13:42 !lg greatplayers ikiller=robin s=ckaux 13:13:42 24 games for greatplayers (ikiller=robin): 6x, 4x club, 4x dagger, 2x stone, dagger of freezing, trident of venom, wand of frost, wand of flame, wand of magic darts, spear, goblin, sling bullet 13:13:44 ya I like him 13:13:58 !tv HilariousDeathArtist ikiller=robin 13:13:59 3. HilariousDeathArtist, XL4 HEHu, T:2136 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:14:20 I only know of jeanjaques as a legendary figure 13:14:29 he's done really everything you can do in crawl 13:14:31 wow 13:14:32 a bedtime story to inspire children 13:14:45 mmm 13:15:02 great goblin tossing there 13:15:02 good 13:15:07 also great rushing into a room 13:15:07 !tv jeanjacques ikiller=robin 13:15:07 and is the fastest 3-rune win record holder 13:15:07 amongs having other things 13:15:07 4. jeanjacques, XL3 DEAM, T:772 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:15:25 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 13:15:27 I've heard jeanjacques has a unique playstyle. I haven't looked it over myself. . . 13:15:51 !learn add jeanjacques he's done really everything you can do in crawl a bedtime story to inspire children 13:15:52 jeanjacques[5/5]: he's done really everything you can do in crawl a bedtime story to inspire children 13:16:26 heh 13:16:26 wow, the stairs, that was bold 13:16:31 lol at that final battle 13:16:32 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:16:36 miss miss miss miss miss miss 13:16:42 (x27) 13:16:53 one more 13:16:57 !lg Berder ikiller=robin 13:16:57 1. Berder the Stinger (L3 OpVM), blasted by Robin (wand of frost) on D:1 on 2014-11-23 17:48:48, with 28 points after 1904 turns and 0:03:46. 13:17:13 eh, anyone can die to a wand 13:17:19 true 13:17:19 dang it grunt don't make me add a :beh: to prevent you from adding learndb entries with the word gammafunk in them 13:17:31 But I was secretly hoping you'd say it was his fault 13:17:33 1learn add 13:17:34 <3 13:18:35 !lg . ikiller=robin -tv 13:18:36 1. gammafunk, XL3 MfSk, T:1104 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:19:23 ?/gammafunk 13:19:23 Matching terms (1): gammafunk; entries (35): Basil[12] | bh[4] | coolplayers[2] | devsprint[12] | devteam[26] | dracoomega[5] | dumb[1] | gammafunk[5] | gammafunk[7] | gammafunk[10] | grunt[13] | grunt[24] | grunt[25] | hangedman[18] | hilarious_deaths[109] | hive[2] | innuendo[13] | jeanjacques[5] | lemuel[8] | lemuel[9] | ninja[3] | pleasingfungus[4] | pleasingfungus[16] | quicksilver_dragon_arm... 13:19:50 ??quicksilver_dragon_armour[gamma 13:19:51 quicksilver_dragon_armour[2/2]: Quality Dragon Armour, A Grunt Guarantee! (tm) 13:19:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:55 The learndb hits!!! x35 13:20:38 Ouch! That really hurt! You die... 13:20:40 or rather 13:20:46 05DANG rip 13:21:43 !lg * ikiller=robin 13:21:43 948. ELD the Cudgeler (L4 GrWn), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0 club) (led by Robin) on D:3 on 2015-01-05 18:56:57, with 68 points after 363 turns and 0:04:08. 13:21:43 !lg * ikiller=asterion 13:21:44 320. pwnmonkey the Eclecticist (L16 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by Asterion (orb of electricity) on Snake:2 on 2014-12-30 15:28:14, with 117869 points after 35101 turns and 2:16:09. 13:21:47 !lg * ikiller=natasha 13:21:48 4799. BoredOne the Bolt Thrower (L7 KoHu of Okawaru), slain by Natasha on D:3 on 2015-01-05 19:01:00, with 375 points after 3940 turns and 0:10:44. 13:21:55 B) 13:21:59 06wow.... 13:22:08 !lg * ikiller=natasha current trunk 13:22:09 902. moocowpong3 the Gusty (L5 TeAE), blasted by Natasha (wand of magic darts) on D:4 on 2015-01-05 13:55:35, with 222 points after 3000 turns and 0:17:23. 13:22:13 pew pew 13:22:25 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:22:31