00:09:04 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3369-g3e5b539 (34) 00:09:16 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:11:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:13:49 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:14:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:15:26 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:20:56 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 00:22:48 if (doing_mons && desc_menu.getkey() == CONTROL('S')) 00:22:49 desc_menu.toggle_sorting(); 00:22:51 this is very specific code 00:22:55 I wonder if it's documented at all 00:24:07 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:59 <|amethyst> hm... real bat + shadow trap = fun :) 00:25:26 <|amethyst> "where are all these monsters coming from?" 00:28:56 excellent 00:29:18 !lg * current trunk vmsg~~shadow_trap 00:29:28 15. broll the Poker (L3 MfBe of Trog), slain by an adder (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by the player character)) on D:2 on 2014-12-29 03:36:39, with 37 points after 776 turns and 0:01:15. 00:29:41 mfbe, huh 00:29:42 !lg * current trunk vmsg~~shadow_trap -2 00:29:44 14/15. MorganLeah the Magician (L1 DsWz), slain by an adder (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by the player character)) on D:2 on 2014-12-29 03:24:08, with 6 points after 448 turns and 0:01:33. 00:29:49 huh 00:29:51 d:1 adder 00:29:52 ouch 00:38:00 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:11 some combination of thread title & screenshots 00:41:13 erp 00:41:15 I need to sleep 00:41:26 FR: crawl business cards 00:41:49 my flight seatmate asked me about crawl and I hadnwrote the cdo url on a scrap of paper like it was the 90s 00:41:53 ! 00:41:57 need something w/art and socialmedia 00:42:01 were you playing local tiles or s/t 00:42:07 yea 00:42:09 nice 00:43:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:44:30 also this is probably a bug: in wizmode w/tso and a profane servitor nearby umbra and player halo don't canel, the umbra dominates 00:46:52 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:46 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:49:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:22 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:58 huh 00:53:11 if we ever had a god named the same as a monster, item, etc, ?/ would glitch out 00:53:29 likewise if we ever had a monster named the same as an item, feature, etc 00:53:43 ??score 00:53:44 score[1/4]: [modified XP(#runes)^2/(1+turns)], capped at 99999999. Uncapped in 0.16 00:53:48 ??high score 00:53:48 high score ~ high scores[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/overview.html 01:00:42 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 01:02:41 how is you initialized in arena mode 01:04:34 afaik it's not 01:05:04 there's a bunch of asserts that you're not in arena mode when touching player stuff 01:05:09 not comprehensive ofc 01:05:11 why? 01:06:04 poking at mon_behav so that if you worship TSO and an ally whacks a monster the monster sticks with foe = MHITYOU 01:07:07 oh god 01:07:14 mon_behv or w/e terrifies me 01:07:20 its pretty scary 01:07:32 way more terrible than potion.cc 01:08:08 honestly it is probably worse than beam.cc 01:08:14 we're just better at avoiding it 01:10:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 01:12:50 avoiding it indeed 01:13:12 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:31 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus your god-named-the-same-as-a-monster etc. reminded me of https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4503 01:13:32 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:15:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:17:21 -!- Beck has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17:59 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:17 |amethyst: haha, good bug 01:20:33 Lmfao 01:20:55 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 01:21:58 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:46 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:44 -!- Hivac has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:29:12 -!- Halbrosie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:30:04 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:33:21 does anyone know the wiki hoster in here? 01:33:33 I know people in here were talking about taking over the content 01:34:10 I'm considering reaching out and asking if they need help, and looking at taking over hosting if there's no plan to fix the pain 01:37:00 -!- RaptorWrex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:20 -!- RaptorWrex has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:35 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:24 oh wow, shadow trap is pretty brutal compared to other traps 01:43:54 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:55:52 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:17 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:59:09 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:17 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:18 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:18 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:19 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:20 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:21 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:21 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:41 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 02:00:41 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:02:06 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:02:07 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05:29 -!- zero_one is now known as Sprort 02:19:21 -!- doy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:43 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:43 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:20:05 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:20:05 -!- Siegurt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:20:31 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:21:07 -!- Siegurt1 has quit [Client Quit] 02:21:12 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3369-g3e5b539 (34) 02:23:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:42 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 02:25:46 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:27:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:30:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:42 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:32:52 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:31 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:20 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:30 -!- Fiveotanaka has quit [Client Quit] 03:02:33 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:08:09 death scarab (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 8 | HP: 21-37 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 755 | Sz: little | Int: insect. 03:08:09 %??death scarab 03:09:24 ??death scarab 03:09:25 death scarab[1/1]: 0.16 undead Tomb pack monster, occasionally showing up in numbers to replace guardian mummies. Fast, batty, trails miasma, and bites to inflict rN- to drain skill and/or speed or replenish its health. 03:11:13 ??bennu 03:11:13 bennu[1/1]: New to Tomb in 0.16. Speed 16 with sticky flame, holy and drain melee (like an exec without the haste). When they die they explode in ghostly flames (radius 2, damage 3d22) and insta-resurrect nearby once. Mummies are OK with tormenting Bennus. 03:11:35 bennu (08b) | Spd: 16 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-92 | AC/EV: 6/16 | Dam: 2708(holy), 1813(drain), 1804(napalm) | evil, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(140), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++ | Vul: 12drown, 08holy | XP: 1286 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 03:11:35 %??bennu 03:12:50 anubis guard (10H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 39-62 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 30, 2013(drain) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 635 | Sp: hunting cry [11!AM, 08breath], b.draining (3d17) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], dispel undead (3d16) [11!AM], confuse [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 03:12:50 %??anubis guard 03:12:52 ??anubis guard 03:12:52 anubis guard[1/1]: 0.16 Tomb monster which sometimes appears in place of guardian mummies. Can turn up in pairs; has drain breath, Dispel Undead, Confuse, and a hunting cry which makes noise and alerts other anubis guards on the level to your location. They are living but rN+++ and torment-immune. 03:13:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:15:02 ??utshabi 03:15:02 I don't have a page labeled utshabi in my learndb. 03:16:52 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18:50 ??learndb 03:18:50 learndb[1/9]: An HTML page of learndb entries is at http://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html - the version on CDO is currently outdated. 03:18:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:19:36 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:18 -!- SickSadWorld has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:40:20 -!- Hivac has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit] 03:41:23 -!- RaptorWrex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:56:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:57:28 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:03:29 hmph. unlike Zin hating Chaotic things, TSO's hate depends on a monster's spell set, so it's not straightforward to communicate to the player which thins are hated by tso 04:03:56 even if there's an evil or unholy spell in every spellbook 04:04:41 or I guess one could check that in some kind of mon info 04:06:12 is there a monster that only sometimes has evil spells? 04:06:29 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:10:29 ogre mage (06O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 40-68 | AC/EV: 1/7 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 928 | Sp: haste other, crystal spear (3d28), blink, b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), minor healing (2d5) [04emergency] / haste other, mystic blast (3d15), invisibility, confuse, slow, teleport self [04emergency] / haste other, paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d17), confuse, teleport self [04emergency] / haste other, sting (d10), blink, b.lightning (3d17), banishment, minor healing (2d5) [04emergency] / haste other, throw flame (3d8), invisibility, teleport other, fireball (3d19) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 04:10:29 %??ogre mage 04:10:59 banishment is not unholy 04:11:04 nor evil 04:11:18 oops 04:11:43 yea 04:11:44 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:15:29 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:28:51 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:34 answer is: yes, ancient champion book four is imb slow haste 04:35:28 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:44:35 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:45 so for the current monster set being evil is not dynamic but the code currently permits this to change. giving information about whether or not a monster is evil in TSO's eyes would break this 04:46:13 but it's probably a good thing to break 04:49:51 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:55:32 ebering: I think ancient champions would still be evil because undead 04:55:52 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:41 yes 05:03:09 that is why currently 'being evil' is a static property 05:10:41 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:11:39 |amethyst: Oh, I haven't taught a class. I've either been a student, or just been a contact person (e.g. hobby) 05:14:58 I wonder if FSF could research the Youtube policy issue. 05:18:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:22:22 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:22:55 !tell PleasingFungus // This is a Vintage Legacy Hack, AAA-grade. 05:22:55 ebering: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:24:42 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:52 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:32:19 hm there is one dynamic property: specral versions are evil but not MH_UNDEAD 05:39:05 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:49 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:59:14 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:02:46 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:07:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:10:21 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:13:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:57 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:30 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:34 or my regexfoo is wrong and banishment is unholy and this is the worst 06:24:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:25 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:38:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:39:43 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:41:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:53:19 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:01:57 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:01:57 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:06:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:40 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:10:33 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:19 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 07:19:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:19:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:23:48 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:23:59 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Client Quit] 07:26:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:26:37 -!- dgu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:13 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:45 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:38:50 -!- Kintak has quit [Client Quit] 07:39:47 Keskitalo: I have some friends over there I could ask. The whole licensing issue strikes me as absurd. If you use the Gimp to draw something, the GPL doesn't attach the drawing 07:40:00 (my guess is that the FSF doesn't care) 07:45:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:49:05 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:33 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:53 -!- utopian095 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:12:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:14:37 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:14:46 -!- Greattornick has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:15:44 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43:51 -!- Beck has quit [Client Quit] 08:48:07 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:09 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:52:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:54:12 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 08:54:56 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:05:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:46 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:26 jtj27 (L18 GrHe) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1922 failed. (D:15) 09:09:39 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:10:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:11:45 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:46 Cheers! 09:13:00 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:56 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25:28 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:26:04 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:30:48 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:48 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 09:34:01 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:09 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:44 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:38:22 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:39:22 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:39:29 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:39:46 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:40:20 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:28 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:46:55 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:03 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:57:12 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:24 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 10:00:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:07 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:01:14 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: YourBNC - (https://yourbnc.co.uk)] 10:12:17 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:29 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 10:26:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:56 ebering: I wrote that :) 10:27:56 PleasingFungus: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:28:46 !crashlog jtj27 10:28:47 1. jtj27, XL18 GrHe, T:62417 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/jtj27/crash-jtj27-20141229-150725.txt 10:28:49 There are people here!!! 10:28:51 dpeg: well 10:28:53 person 10:28:59 Fungi at least 10:29:05 rude... 10:29:10 !source mon-util.cc:1922 10:29:10 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l1922 10:30:46 !tell |amethyst ahahaha (re 4503) 10:30:46 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:36:42 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:37:19 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:21 mpr("Okay, then."); 10:40:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3370-g7a87f40: Don't warn about an unused static when building without clua. 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a87f40ceda7 10:40:33 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:42:09 I hope I get to see a shadow trap soon (it's a trap type that should work well). 10:42:39 |amethyst: rebuilding monster, then? :) 10:42:41 <|amethyst> dpeg: you should see them pretty frequently in early D 10:42:47 <|amethyst> wheals: how'd you guess? :) 10:42:59 !whereis dpeg 10:42:59 dpeg the Gusty (L1 DsAE) quit on D:1 on 2011-10-05 after 0 turns. 10:43:04 @whereis dpeg 10:43:11 !seen gretell 10:43:11 Sorry wheals, I haven't seen gretell. 10:43:14 dang... 10:43:25 !locate dpeg 10:43:26 dpeg was last seen on CDO (dpeg, L14 SpAs of Gozag). 10:47:36 -!- Sodairbiehc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:38 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal. 10:47:38 <|amethyst> %??caustic shrike 10:47:40 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 15 | HP: 81-114 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 3608(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 3118 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 10:47:53 unknown monster: "shard shrike" 10:47:53 <|amethyst> %??shard shrike 10:47:53 shard shrike (12b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 21 | HP: 90-121 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 2112(cold:21-62) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 08blind | XP: 5344 | Sp: throw icicle (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 10:48:03 ancient lich (16L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 90-129 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7450 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), paralyse, sum.greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d44), teleport self [04emergency] / b.corrosive (3d28), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d37), crystal spear (3d48) / b.fire (3d37), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d33), sum.greater demon, banishment [04emergency] / mystic blast (3d30), b.cold (3d37), invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:48:03 <|amethyst> %??ancient lich 10:48:04 ancient lich (16L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 86-128 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7702 | Sp: 10:48:04 ..(random) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:48:18 -!- Sodairbiehc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:43 <|amethyst> okay, now to compile the N other versions of monster, set up gitweb, etc 10:49:23 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 10:49:23 %??pandemonium lord 10:49:39 should be (random) [!sil] 10:49:56 :P 10:50:03 <|amethyst> patches welcome! 10:50:29 bah, not working on that code again until it gets non-heretical formatting 10:50:33 <|amethyst> I've wanted to put [!sil] etc on the whole set, anyway, if it's shared by all the spells 10:50:42 <|amethyst> patches welcome! 10:50:59 <|amethyst> (separate commit please) 10:51:56 <|amethyst> obtw 10:51:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:52:07 <|amethyst> someone who knows gdb-python stuff should update our crawl-gdb.py 10:52:54 <|amethyst> in particular, it still assumes item_def::colour is a thing 10:53:13 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:03:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:26 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:57 <|amethyst> chei updates pushed to the repo 11:05:39 <|amethyst> two doy commits, two grunt commits (not counting the one that more or less duplicated doy's first commit), and one from me... let me know if you have a monster commit that's not there 11:05:43 <|amethyst> err 11:05:43 <|amethyst> s/chei/monster/ 11:05:47 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git;a=summary 11:06:16 * PleasingFungus grunts. 11:06:54 * wheals sporulates! 11:07:10 !lg * current trunk vmsg~~"shadow trap" s=lvl 11:07:14 34 games for * (current trunk vmsg~~'shadow trap'): 10x 1, 10x 2, 3x 3, 3x 5, 2x 6, 2x 4, 2x 9, 8, 7 11:07:16 !lg * current trunk vmsg~~"shadow trap" s=place 11:07:19 34 games for * (current trunk vmsg~~'shadow trap'): 10x D:1, 9x D:2, 3x D:3, 2x D:5, 2x D:4, 2x D:9, 2x D:6, Snake:2, D:7, Swamp:5, D:8 11:07:29 hrmmery 11:07:30 !lg * vmsg~~"shadow trap" !((current trunk)) 11:07:32 No games for * (vmsg~~'shadow trap' !((current trunk))). 11:07:41 wheals: trying to optimize the query 11:08:22 <|amethyst> !explain lg * vmsg~~"shadow trap" !((current trunk)) 11:08:24 <|amethyst> too bad 11:08:44 heh 11:08:49 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08:54 it would be possible! 11:08:56 <|amethyst> !learn add !explain .echo There is no explanation for $* 11:08:56 !explain[1/1]: .echo There is no explanation for $* 11:08:58 <|amethyst> !explain lg * vmsg~~"shadow trap" !((current trunk)) 11:09:06 <|amethyst> err 11:09:07 <|amethyst> doh 11:09:10 doh?? 11:09:10 <|amethyst> doh 11:09:11 <|amethyst> !learn del !explain 11:09:11 Deleted !explain[1/1]: .echo There is no explanation for $* 11:09:17 <|amethyst> !cmd !explain .echo There is no explanation for $* 11:09:17 Defined command: !explain => .echo There is no explanation for $* 11:09:20 <|amethyst> !explain lg * vmsg~~"shadow trap" !((current trunk)) 11:09:20 There is no explanation for lg * vmsg~~"shadow trap" !((current trunk)) 11:09:28 !learn add !help:!explain see {!explain !explain} 11:09:29 !help:!explain[1/1]: see {!explain !explain} 11:09:32 !help !explain 11:09:33 !explain: There is no explanation for !explain 11:09:36 ! 11:09:41 No players. 11:09:47 noooo 11:10:31 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:50 ??throwing nets 11:10:50 throwing nets ~ throwing net[1/4]: Traps monsters that are very large size or smaller, unless it misses or the monster is flying or insubstantial. TSO allows using nets, but not attacking monsters held in them. 11:10:53 ??throwing net[2 11:10:53 throwing net[2/4]: !lg * kaux=~throwing_net max=dam x=dam 11:11:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:06 don't they also work on big things? 11:11:20 they do not 11:11:27 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 204 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 11:11:27 %??yak 11:11:32 huh 11:11:34 yaktaur (05c) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 33-57 | AC/EV: 4/4 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 366 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 11:11:34 %??yaktaur 11:11:38 weird... 11:11:41 um 11:11:45 right, technical crawl size terms 11:11:47 let me check 11:12:01 ??sizes 11:12:01 sizes ~ size ~ size factor[1/2]: For evasion purposes: spider form and bat form are tiny (factor 6), spriggans and felids are little (factor 4), halflings and kobolds are small (factor 2), trolls ogres centaurs and nagas are large (factor -2), and dragonform is huge (factor -8). 11:12:06 >= SIZE_GIANT is the net immune size 11:12:07 ??size[2 11:12:07 size factor[2/2]: Monster sizes from %?? (for constriction and trampling) in order and with examples: tiny (rats); little (felids); small (kobolds); medium (humans), large (trolls); big (death yaks); giant (dragons) 11:12:09 sorry 11:12:15 "very large" is not a size 11:12:27 so why are yaktaurs bigger than yaks 11:12:34 the human torso 11:12:35 obv 11:12:47 a yak with a bit glued on top is bigger than a yak!!! 11:12:50 It's Just Math 11:13:22 <|amethyst> well, technically the bit glued on top replaces the head 11:13:43 <|amethyst> so a spriggan-yaktaur might be smaller than a yak 11:13:48 %git dc23beb9a4f92a5a 11:13:48 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1993-gdc23beb: Add messaging for nets bouncing off giant monsters 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc23beb9a4f9 11:14:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: btw, I was looking at user db merge stats between CAO and CSZO 11:14:25 ! 11:14:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: out of 45000 users together, 6000 occur on both servers 11:14:40 ouch 11:14:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: of those, 4000 have the same email address 11:14:47 <|amethyst> meaning 2000 do not 11:14:49 ah, ok 11:14:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:05 can you check how many of those 2000 have milestones in the last year? 11:15:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:15:19 <|amethyst> hm 11:15:24 or some equivalent metric 11:15:31 idk if you have login stats; those might or might not be easier to query 11:15:44 <|amethyst> they'll all have logins in the past ~2 years 11:15:52 <|amethyst> since that's how old CSZO is 11:15:55 <|amethyst> (Aug 2012) 11:16:16 <|amethyst> well 11:16:26 <|amethyst> I guess the corresponding CAO accounts might not 11:16:42 ya 11:17:05 just need to send 4000 emails :) 11:17:14 <|amethyst> let me recompute the list again; I think I threw the old one away 11:17:30 !learn add throwing_net[2 Max range is (2 + body size): sp have max range 3, ha/ko 4, normal races 5, og/tr 6. This is not displayed. 11:17:30 throwing net[2/5]: Max range is (2 + body size): sp have max range 3, ha/ko 4, normal races 5, og/tr 6. This is not displayed. 11:18:03 doesn't other thrown stuff have a max range too? 11:18:08 only large rocks 11:18:25 and in practice only very rarely or for shuffletrolls 11:18:31 <|amethyst> you can now awkwardly throw a crystal plate across the screen 11:18:40 godspeed 11:18:40 !send PleasingFungus a shuffleogre 11:18:41 Sending a shuffleogre to PleasingFungus. 11:19:11 unreal...! 11:19:17 !lg * og max=int x=int 11:19:18 98696. [int=48] Tossi the Farming Ogre Mage (L27 OgWz of Cheibriados), slain by a death cob on Zot:5 on 2011-07-10 07:16:59, with 723241 points after 213665 turns and 17:35:51. 11:19:24 so the rock distance depends on str but not the net one? 11:19:25 hahaha 11:19:28 wheals: correct 11:19:33 !source throw.cc:728 11:19:33 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/throw.cc;hb=HEAD#l728 11:19:34 !lm * og max=int x=int !chei 11:19:39 366407. [2014-11-03 08:40:42] [int=72] guido the Shatterer (L16 OgBe of Trog) killed Aizul on turn 28014. (Snake:2) 11:19:45 hrm 11:19:47 that's my fault 11:19:47 !blame PleasingFungus 11:19:48 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 11:19:50 damn 11:19:55 you beat me to it :) 11:19:56 !lm * og max=int x=int !chei !current 11:19:58 304096. [2011-12-03 10:01:35] [int=63] noobrobin the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFi of Nemelex Xobeh) reached level 8 of the Vaults on turn 88452. (Vaults:8) 11:20:03 there we go 11:20:16 !lm * mu max=int x=int !chei !current 11:20:21 303302. [2007-06-28 14:58:49] [int=72] Cuckatoo the Farming Talismancer (L27 MuFi of Nemelex Xobeh) is cast into the Abyss! (drew the Gate) (Lair:2) 11:20:37 !lm * mu max=int x=str,int,dex !chei !current 11:20:39 303302. [2007-06-28 14:58:49] [str=61;int=72;dex=67] Cuckatoo the Farming Talismancer (L27 MuFi of Nemelex Xobeh) is cast into the Abyss! (drew the Gate) (Lair:2) 11:20:43 nice 11:20:51 !lm * og max=int x=int !chei !current x=gid 11:20:53 304096. [2011-12-03 10:01:35] [game_key=noobrobin:cdo:20111101170139S;int=63] noobrobin the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFi of Nemelex Xobeh) reached level 8 of the Vaults on turn 88452. (Vaults:8) 11:21:03 !lg * gid=noobrobin:cdo:20111101170139S 11:21:04 1. noobrobin the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFi of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by an Executioner on Zig:26 on 2011-12-04 12:26:55, with 961831 points after 106893 turns and 10:58:50. 11:21:09 what a sham 11:21:13 a sham indeed 11:21:35 a real noob would have died to the imps on the level 11:21:39 would be very simple to randomize awkward throw range (not based on 'weight', just totally randomly) if we wanted to make that a little sillier 11:21:55 and how often do we want to 11:22:02 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3370-g7a87f40 (34) 11:22:03 I love silliness 11:22:10 <|amethyst> 6128 user names in common; 3992 (username, email) pairs on common 11:24:22 !calc 6128 3992 11:24:23 Type mismatch: 6128 in '6128 3992' 11:24:24 !calc 6128 - 3992 11:24:25 2136 11:24:40 !calc 2136 * 2 11:24:40 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:42 4272 11:25:08 <|amethyst> hm, of those 3992, 74 have no email on either server 11:25:34 <|amethyst> and I'm not checking for validity of email addresses at all 11:26:05 my email is butts@farts.morebutts 11:26:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: http://dobrazupa.org/.stuff/names.differentemails.txt 11:27:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that's the list of usernames who have different emails between the two servers (without the emails) 11:27:53 !lg * christmaspast 11:27:53 er 11:27:54 !lg christmaspast 11:27:57 <|amethyst> oh, hey, you're on the list 11:27:57 No keyword 'christmaspast' 11:27:57 61. ChristmasPast the Stinger (L5 DEVM), succumbed to poison (a potion of poison) on D:3 on 2014-06-06 02:54:58, with 146 points after 3123 turns and 0:20:22. 11:28:17 <|amethyst> oh right 11:28:17 <|amethyst> you use + 11:28:17 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:17 as is plog 11:28:19 !lg * killer~~christmaspast 11:28:22 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:23 3. demiskeleton the Slasher (L4 HuFi), slain by ChristmasPast's ghost on D:3 on 2014-03-13 23:59:19, with 152 points after 1267 turns and 0:02:58. 11:28:26 yesss 11:28:31 good gimmick account 11:28:39 <|amethyst> let me see what changes if I remove +[^@]* 11:28:56 !lg richardgamingostube 11:28:57 9. RichardGamingosTube the Basher (L12 OgAs of Cheibriados), demolished by Snorg on Lair:3 on 2014-04-17 01:25:54, with 16771 points after 13207 turns and 2:14:01. 11:30:00 <|amethyst> there would be 12 users with the same email if we ignore +[^@] 11:30:04 <|amethyst> s/12 users/12 more users/ 11:30:36 plus-addressing is a really silly thing, but I got into the habit a long time ago 11:31:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32:23 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/.stuff/names.reallydifferentemails.txt 11:32:37 !lm 1122334455 11:32:38 3. [2012-07-28 01:01:10] 1122334455 the Magician (L6 DEFE of Vehumet) fell down a shaft to D:7 on turn 4339. (D:5) 11:32:45 !lm 123 11:32:45 20. [2014-09-22 22:18:52] 123 the Grave Robber (L1 VSNe) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 11:33:04 hm 11:33:04 inconvenient 11:33:08 !lm bonghitz 11:33:11 3064. [2014-10-30 19:27:48] BONGHITZ the Skirmisher (L1 DsBe of Trog) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 11:33:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:37:33 -!- demagog has quit [Quit: demagog] 11:38:07 <|amethyst> hm, having problems compiling monster 0.9 on CSZO... I'll probably just leave that out 11:38:21 Could not execute monster-0.8: No such file or directory 11:38:21 %0.8?orc 11:38:27 the history cost... 11:41:30 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:42:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43:59 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:44:00 <|amethyst> the other seven versions are built though 11:44:30 -!- Sodairbiehc has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:36 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 64-103 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2756 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, sum.greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), 04esc:teleport self / b.corrosive (3d23), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d27), sum.greater demon, 04esc:banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:44:36 <|amethyst> %?lich 11:44:36 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 64-103 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2756 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, 11:44:39 ..sum.greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), 04esc:teleport self / b.corrosive (3d23), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d27), sum.greater demon, 04esc:banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), 11:44:40 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2 11:44:40 <|amethyst> %?-version 11:44:44 ..invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:44:47 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15.2 11:44:51 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73 11:44:51 <|amethyst> %??-version 11:44:51 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-3369-g3e5b539 11:44:52 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73 11:44:52 %??-version 11:44:52 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-3369-g3e5b539 11:44:57 what 11:44:59 unknown monster: "version" 11:44:59 <|amethyst> %0.11?version 11:44:59 what on earth 11:44:59 unknown monster: "version" 11:45:02 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.11.3 11:45:02 <|amethyst> %0.11?-version 11:45:02 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.11.3 11:45:14 .... 11:45:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ? 11:45:17 !reverse |amethyst 11:45:18 -!- Sodairbiehc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:23 took me a moment to get the name 11:45:26 <|amethyst> aha 11:45:42 <|amethyst> I'll rename it of course once old chei is put down 11:45:47 <|amethyst> He's a purty old chei 11:45:47 rip 11:46:22 <|amethyst> hm 11:46:36 <|amethyst> maybe we should start backporting things for 0.15.3 11:47:01 <|amethyst> though presumably we won't release it until we release 0.16.0 11:47:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:47:09 <|amethyst> or shortly before 11:48:09 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.15 11:48:09 07gammafunk02 * 0.15.2: 0.15.2 changelog 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b7472d89d3a 11:48:13 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.15^ 11:48:13 07gammafunk02 * 0.15.1-37-gefcdebc: Give rebirth to a trusty old friend for custom tile purposes 10(3 months ago, 4 files, 21+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=efcdebc4fa5a 11:48:26 <|amethyst> %git 6dfaa0abc 11:48:27 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-1251-g6dfaa0a: Give rebirth to a trusty old friend for custom tile purposes 10(3 months ago, 4 files, 21+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dfaa0abcf04 11:48:34 not a bad idea 11:49:23 <|amethyst> I'd kind of like to feature freeze soonish 11:49:36 <|amethyst> for release in early February 11:49:37 huh, really? 11:49:43 why early feb? 11:49:44 <|amethyst> soonish means a couple of weeks 11:49:59 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so the 0.17 tournament can be in August before school starts 11:50:03 <|amethyst> more players I would hope 11:51:07 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:51:23 I'd been hoping to hold off on the tournament until we'd gotten some kind of unified login thing working, since people have figured out how to abuse that now 11:51:30 *how to abuse our trust model 11:55:55 <|amethyst> hm... I don't know if unified login is something we can reasonably finish in just a couple months 11:56:10 <|amethyst> and I wouldn't want to put off the 0.16 tournament that log 11:57:35 well 11:57:41 if the tournament is ruined by Jerks and Losers 11:57:48 then I will be sad 11:58:58 <|amethyst> yeah 11:59:08 <|amethyst> could add for the time being something like 11:59:19 <|amethyst> hm 11:59:23 <|amethyst> that wouldn't work 11:59:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:59:43 <|amethyst> I was thinking # Accept: CSZO CAO CDO in the .rc but of course the attacker could add that too 11:59:56 <|amethyst> (affecting tournament scores only for now) 12:01:29 you could treat different servers as different accounts for the tourney 12:01:39 yeah, that would probably work 12:01:50 <|amethyst> that sucks if a server goes down though 12:01:58 <|amethyst> or gets overloaded etc etc 12:02:01 I think it sucks less than the alternative 12:02:02 tbh 12:02:17 idk. 12:06:04 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:28 <|amethyst> You know, I get more "You could earn your doctorate degree online" spams now than I did before getting my doctorate 12:07:37 <|amethyst> they might want to work on their targetting algorithm 12:07:47 <|amethyst> 3 years ago I would have been sorely tempted :) 12:08:00 -!- Guest49820 is now known as SwissStopwatch 12:08:40 <|amethyst> hm, one (labour-intensive) stopgap would be to retroactively exclude certain (account, server) combinations from tournament scoring as they are identified 12:09:08 <|amethyst> how labour-intensive it is depends on the quantity and dedication of jerks 12:09:46 I expect there will be very few, but I have no prediction about dedication 12:10:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10:36 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if they're that dedicated, server admins can consider adding iptables rules 12:10:57 plausible 12:11:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:11 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:14 -!- dis-_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:24 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:55 <|amethys1> bah 12:17:00 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:20 -!- |amethyst has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:17:20 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:20 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 12:17:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:36 <|amethyst> I was saying 12:17:43 <|amethyst> I guess being dedicated could involve a botnet, but I suspect though that they'll get bored quickly enough; and if someone with a botnet wants to disrupt the tournament and crawl play in general, they have better ways 12:17:51 <|amethyst> and then 12:17:56 <|amethyst> for userdb merging, I was thinking that maybe "most games played" is a better way of deciding who gets the account than "first registered" or "first game played" 12:18:32 <|amethyst> or "most time played" or such 12:19:16 <|amethyst> requires issuing a lot of sequell queries either way 12:19:16 <|amethyst> registration date isn't actually stored in the userdb, so we can't use that 12:19:27 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:49 <|amethyst> The user db schema btw is (id integer primary key, username text, email text, env text, password text, flags integer) 12:21:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:14 <|amethyst> where currently the only flag is 0x1 = admin 12:22:35 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:22:49 |amethyst: most games played could be rigged by quitting repeatedly; most games !boring played could be rigged by dying to d1 monsters repeatedly . . . 12:23:48 <|amethyst> Lasty_: that's my strategy 12:24:00 <|amethyst> !lg . boring 12:24:01 898. neil the Skirmisher (L1 MfWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_water_temple_mockup) on 2014-12-29 00:00:37, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:35. 12:24:05 <|amethyst> !lg . place=d:1 !boring 12:24:06 2463. neil the Stinger (L2 TeVM), slain by a bat on D:1 on 2014-12-29 06:19:40, with 12 points after 296 turns and 0:01:06. 12:24:09 haha 12:25:20 <|amethyst> first game can't be rigged, but\ 12:25:23 <|amethyst> it's also not good 12:25:45 <|amethyst> because that first game might be the only game someone ever played 12:26:26 <|amethyst> !lg xen src=cao 12:26:27 2. xen the Cutter (L3 VpBe of Trog), slain by an ogre (a +0 giant club) on D:2 on 2014-12-22 18:45:36, with 56 points after 1856 turns and 0:02:33. 12:26:30 <|amethyst> !lg xen src=cao 1 12:26:31 1/2. xen the Covered (L4 MDFi), mangled by a giant iguana on D:3 on 2009-05-17 23:05:31, with 245 points after 1967 turns and 0:19:53. 12:26:38 <|amethyst> !lg xen src!=cao 1 12:26:38 1/265. Xen the Sneak (L2 VSAs), blasted by Sigmund (magic dart) on D:1 on 2014-02-09 15:18:08, with 90 points after 783 turns and 0:02:22. 12:27:04 <|amethyst> (in that case I gave the CAO account to the newer player since it had only one game, hence the one new CAO game) 12:27:45 -!- simmarine has quit [*.net *.split] 12:27:45 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [*.net *.split] 12:27:45 -!- dis- has quit [*.net *.split] 12:27:45 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [*.net *.split] 12:27:45 Did you say there were only a few thousand unique usernames? If so, it probably wouldn't be too hard to 1) manually set a "real user" flag on each existing account based on first game completed time, 2) automate adding the flag to all new first-time registrations, and 3) have an rcfile setting usable only by "real user"-flagged accounts that determine which other servers are "real" for that username 12:28:54 <|amethyst> if we do that we're halfway to merging so should imo just merge 12:28:54 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:57 It's a filthy hack to a large extent, but I think it would be relatively foolproof without being overly time-consuming 12:29:18 <|amethyst> it's kind of time-consuming for players 12:29:21 I'm in favor of just merging without knowing anything about the level of effort it entails. 12:29:47 Sure, but players need not do anything at all until such a time as a jerk tries to mess with their stats 12:29:48 at which time they can immediately fix it with an rcfile setting 12:29:53 -!- dark_star has quit [Excess Flood] 12:30:15 <|amethyst> Lasty_: oh, I see, defaulting to "everybody" 12:30:15 yeah 12:30:16 -!- zerkmund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:30:23 <|amethyst> that would work for the tournament 12:30:28 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:30:43 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:30:43 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:30:48 <|amethyst> well, I'd rather let them set it wherever, then if there are multiple for the same user decide based on priority 12:31:09 <|amethyst> so I could set mine on CSZO and wouldn't have to use CAO 12:31:09 <|amethyst> err 12:31:09 <|amethyst> or maybe CDO 12:31:10 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:31:13 <|amethyst> I don't know which of those two I played first 12:31:19 <|amethyst> !lg . x=src 1 12:31:19 1/9961. [src=cao] Neil the Ruinous (L3 DECj), slain by a snake on D:3 on 2011-08-10 11:11:11, with 192 points after 2668 turns and 0:06:16. 12:31:26 <|amethyst> ah, CAO 12:31:45 That's fine but then either we need an airtight automatic process to determine priority or we have to manually enter priority (by retroactively populating a full "registered on" date field) 12:31:51 <|amethyst> right, I mean we have to determine a priority anyway 12:31:55 It effectively multiplies the work of 1) by the number of servers each player has 12:32:13 |amethyst: yeah, but we only need to determine it to the level of one account 12:32:55 <|amethyst> Lasty_: if you have a list of just 9 things, sorting is not *that* much slower than finding the min 12:32:55 I suppose a good script would probably do 90% of that work for you 12:33:25 |amethyst: I'm more worried about the situation where automation is somehow insufficient to the task and some manual intervention is needed. 12:34:25 If no manual intervention ends up being needed, then yeah, definitely get a full priority chain going 12:34:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:34:59 <|amethyst> I think deciding which single rcfile to look for as you proposed is just as likely to require manual intervention 12:35:49 Oh yeah, absolutely. I just figured it would be a faster intervention. :) 12:35:55 <|amethyst> in fact, more so, because what if I hadn't given xen the CAO account, he played CSZO on the server, and someone came by and registered xen on lld 12:36:19 <|amethyst> then xen couldn't do anything about it because the 'canonical' rcfile belongs to a dead account 12:36:22 Oh, I see 12:36:23 fair enough 12:36:36 Well, in any case, I'm in favor of the version of that solution that creates the least work 12:36:45 <|amethyst> aren't we all? :) 12:36:48 yeah 12:37:09 I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't advocating for anything else. :) 12:39:09 <|amethyst> oh, I just noticed in the scrollback 12:39:12 <|amethyst> !lg . 12:39:12 9961. neil the Grappler (L7 GhMo of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by Menkaure on D:5 on 2014-12-29 06:28:36, with 571 points after 2546 turns and 0:08:16. 12:39:17 <|amethyst> getting close to 10k 12:40:10 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name ?: N>10000 12:40:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:40:16 215584 games for *: 105641x Sebi, 21901x Meow, 19336x syban, 12372x TGW, 11991x heteroy, 11452x LogicNinja, 11351x dscm, 11086x pigah, 10454x KiloByte 12:40:27 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name ?: N>10000 / won 12:40:28 bad value for range 12:40:32 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name /won ?: N>10000 12:40:39 No games for *. 12:40:52 <|amethyst> oh, that's counting number of won games 12:40:55 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name /won ?: N.den>10000 12:40:55 bad value for range 12:41:15 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name /won ?: den.N>10000 12:41:21 140/215584 games for *: 75/11991x heteroy [0.63%], 24/10454x KiloByte [0.23%], 19/11452x LogicNinja [0.17%], 15/19336x syban [0.08%], 3/21901x Meow [0.01%], 3/12372x TGW [0.02%], 1/11086x pigah [0.01%], 0/11351x dscm [0.00%], 0/105641x Sebi [0.00%] 12:41:33 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:41:57 Wow, top 10. That's pretty impressive. Check out those win percentages. 12:42:13 <|amethyst> !lg . / won 12:42:13 2/9961 games for |amethyst: N=2/9961 (0.02%) 12:42:32 Oh wait, you're not in the top 10. I take it all back. 12:42:57 !lg neil won s=char,cv 12:42:58 2 games for neil (won): SpSt (0.9), HOHe (0.10-a) 12:43:09 <|amethyst> !lg * s=name /won ?: den.N>9960 12:43:15 143/225577 games for *: 75/11991x heteroy [0.63%], 24/10454x KiloByte [0.23%], 19/11452x LogicNinja [0.17%], 15/19336x syban [0.08%], 3/9993x firemonkey [0.03%], 3/21901x Meow [0.01%], 3/12372x TGW [0.02%], 1/11086x pigah [0.01%], 0/11351x dscm [0.00%], 0/105641x Sebi [0.00%] 12:43:23 It's time for another neil win. 12:43:37 VSAs. 12:43:37 <|amethyst> yeah, firemonkey is even closer to 10k than I am 12:43:52 <|amethyst> !lg . urune>2 s=char,cv 12:43:52 7 games for |amethyst (urune>2): DEWz (0.10-a), GrEE (0.15-a), FeTm (0.9), GrWn (0.14-a), MiGl (0.12-a), SpSt (0.9), HOHe (0.10-a) 12:43:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:29 !lg neil cv>0.13 12:44:30 2314. neil the Grappler (L7 GhMo of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by Menkaure on D:5 on 2014-12-29 06:28:36, with 571 points after 2546 turns and 0:08:16. 12:44:40 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:45:07 <|amethyst> !lg . s=cv 12:45:08 9961 games for |amethyst: 1470x 0.12-a, 1467x 0.10-a, 1245x 0.13-a, 1190x 0.11-a, 1142x 0.14-a, 730x 0.9, 586x 0.10, 568x 0.15-a, 381x 0.12, 364x 0.16-a, 308x 0.11, 262x 0.13, 128x 0.14, 112x 0.15, 4x 0.7, 2x 0.8, 2x 0.9-a 12:45:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:37 <|amethyst> !lg . s=cv !boring 12:45:37 9063 games for |amethyst (!boring): 1388x 0.12-a, 1277x 0.10-a, 1110x 0.13-a, 1100x 0.11-a, 1016x 0.14-a, 695x 0.9, 543x 0.10, 471x 0.15-a, 370x 0.12, 315x 0.16-a, 294x 0.11, 252x 0.13, 121x 0.14, 107x 0.15, 2x 0.7, 0.9-a, 0.8 12:45:57 fwiw, I think we'll need to have an 'appeals process' of some sort regardless of what we do 12:45:57 I've said this before, sorry 12:46:09 <|amethyst> yes 12:46:15 <|amethyst> yes to the first part 12:46:35 <|amethyst> right now it is "contact the server admin" 12:46:58 <|amethyst> probably it would become something like "contact the userdb maintainer" 12:47:02 I think it makes more sense to do an automatic first pass, and set up a simple way to fix mistakes. we'll need a link to whatever - ideally some kind of form that feeds into a queue, something like that 12:47:22 but could just be an email link 12:47:28 which in a sense is the same thing 12:47:43 <|amethyst> yeah, automatic first pass is fine, but I want it to be good to minimize the amount of intervention 12:47:54 <|amethyst> hence my suggestion to use most games played rather than oldest account 12:48:02 <|amethyst> because there are lots of dead accounts out there 12:48:55 well this was in response to lasty 12:49:00 who I think was suggesting we do it manually? 12:49:01 maybe I misunderstood 12:49:33 <|amethyst> lasty was suggesting, AIUI, that for the tournament we will probably have to manually fix things 12:49:41 <|amethyst> so same as what you said re appeals 12:49:44 o 12:50:17 well, the appeals thing was wrt the new system; tournament is probably gonna be under the old system 12:50:28 but we probably want a good contact mechanism for either, ya 12:51:40 man 12:51:44 I wrote some really bad code last night 12:52:10 <|amethyst> �learn add bender 12:59:25 Yeah, what I was saying was that we should add a new flag (or a new column) to the DB, and that we'd need to populate it from a script w/ some manual intervention. After that, hopefully the number of appeals would be small. 12:59:51 And by doing so we could get something workable by tournament time perhaps 13:08:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:09:52 huh, string_matches_ability_name() is n^2 for no good reason 13:15:02 <|amethyst> ? 13:16:11 -!- fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:27 it iterates over every ability 13:17:39 and calls get_ability_def() on it 13:17:44 which iterates over Ability_List 13:17:59 <|amethyst> oh, missed that get_ability_def iterates 13:18:08 <|amethyst> build an index like we do for everything else 13:18:35 I did a different think 13:18:37 *thing 13:18:38 <|amethyst> though if we really wanted to be efficient 13:18:38 also 13:18:40 "Quartz juts from the ground and forms a humanoid shape. You smell citrus." 13:18:41 <|amethyst> we'd build a trie 13:18:50 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:56 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:04 hm 13:19:04 <|amethyst> oh 13:19:10 <|amethyst> this just finds the first ability to contain that string? 13:19:13 yes 13:19:16 it's badly named 13:19:29 <|amethyst> what was that template I did 13:19:40 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:45 <|amethyst> find_earliest_match 13:19:48 <|amethyst> better IMO 13:20:03 !source find_earliest_match 13:20:03 <|amethyst> it prefers matches anchored at the beginning, and "Foo" will prefer to match "Foo" to "Foobar" 13:20:04 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/stringutil.h;hb=HEAD#l72 13:20:25 it's 13:20:37 ...I think it should actually be using == 13:20:39 looking at where it's called 13:21:00 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:21:03 I should push my stuff so you have a cleaner codebase to look at 13:21:23 <|amethyst> oh, it's only used in _ability_filter 13:21:28 ya 13:21:35 <|amethyst> that simplifies things then 13:21:39 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:40 <|amethyst> just remove it :) 13:21:49 ? 13:22:01 <|amethyst> and make _ability_filter use == on the names 13:22:27 on what names 13:23:01 <|amethyst> oh sorry, misunderstood 13:23:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3371-gcef521f: Finish renaming a variable 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cef521f7ea3f 13:23:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3372-g8205bde: Pull more ?/ stuff into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 116+ 67-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8205bde0133a 13:23:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3373-g97ed09f: Add LTYPF_SUPPORT_TILES 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97ed09f82455 13:23:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3374-g3bb87fe: Finish gutting ?/ _find_description() 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 218+ 142-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bb87fe8e074 13:23:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3375-g7a4bfe5: Move lookup_type into _do_description() 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 333+ 306-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a4bfe53eb5f 13:23:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3376-gaa3a804: Partially deughify some ?/ code 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa3a804cff53 13:23:21 anyway I think we can use == 13:23:22 <|amethyst> that filter is just to see whether it matches any key 13:23:27 ya 13:23:39 <|amethyst> btw, those filters feel backwards 13:23:39 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23:43 they are 13:25:11 <|amethyst> um 13:25:18 ? 13:25:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:24 <|amethyst> these entries with null filters 13:26:24 <|amethyst> what keeps them from crashing when you call the filter? 13:26:36 they don't call the filter 13:26:38 <|amethyst> oh, LTYPF_DISABLE_REGEX 13:27:05 <|amethyst> I'd consider writing it as 13:27:32 <|amethyst> if (lookup_type.filter_forbid && (*lookup_type.filter_forbid)(...)) 13:28:03 <|amethyst> or even better 13:28:04 <|amethyst> reverse the filters then make it 13:28:06 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:28:12 <|amethyst> if (lookup_type.filter_permit && !(*lookup_type.filter_permit)(...)) 13:28:14 filter_forbid is used in exactly two places 13:28:22 as an aside 13:28:37 <|amethyst> ohh 13:29:07 <|amethyst> I see, that filter spec was already in the db code 13:30:19 <|amethyst> I saw the use in _exact_lookup_match but was missing the one in _find_description (passed down to _get_desc_keys and then to the db code) 13:33:02 yeah it's sneaky 13:33:11 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3377-g1019029: Add tiles to ?/A 10(30 seconds ago, 3 files, 46+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1019029debc2 13:33:47 <|amethyst> ah, the db stuff does accept nullptr 13:34:12 <|amethyst> so I would change _exact_lookup_match to do so as well, even if it's never true currently 13:36:03