00:05:15 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:33 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:13 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:09:04 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:49 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:11:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:17 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:22 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3178-g2c88c44 (34) 00:15:52 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:22:21 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:32:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:33:05 ??oops 00:33:06 pleasingfungus[1/18]: oops 00:47:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:51:23 so why are the lizardfolk so bad at magic 00:54:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:08 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:58:42 !apt mummy 00:58:42 Mu: Fighting: 0, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: -2*, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: -2, UC: -2*, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: -1, Charms: -2, Summ: -2, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Fire: -2, Ice: -2, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: -2, Inv: -1*, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 0, MP: 0 00:59:08 mummy style apts are bad 01:01:41 why 01:03:46 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:01 I mean in regards to winning games 01:09:44 -!- markgo` has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:10:17 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:08 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:43 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:17:12 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:22 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:21:55 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:23:54 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 01:24:09 !lg * current trunk !boring s=crace / won o=% 01:24:11 2176/146456 games for * (current trunk !boring): 1/8x Lava Orc [12.50%], 70/1824x Ghoul [3.84%], 78/2224x Deep Dwarf [3.51%], 46/1391x Halfling [3.31%], 79/3334x Naga [2.37%], 55/2369x Centaur [2.32%], 121/5811x Merfolk [2.08%], 54/2684x Felid [2.01%], 76/3890x Human [1.95%], 181/9673x Minotaur [1.87%], 89/4850x Hill Orc [1.84%], 78/4412x Troll [1.77%], 171/9791x Gargoyle [1.75%], 78/4490x Ogre [1... 01:24:47 !lg * current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc s=crace / won o=% 01:24:49 2175/146448 games for * (current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc): 70/1824x Ghoul [3.84%], 78/2224x Deep Dwarf [3.51%], 46/1391x Halfling [3.31%], 79/3334x Naga [2.37%], 55/2369x Centaur [2.32%], 121/5811x Merfolk [2.08%], 54/2684x Felid [2.01%], 76/3890x Human [1.95%], 181/9673x Minotaur [1.87%], 89/4850x Hill Orc [1.84%], 78/4412x Troll [1.77%], 171/9791x Gargoyle [1.75%], 78/4490x Ogre [1.74%], 40... 01:25:17 !lg greaterplayers current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc s=crace / won o=% 01:25:18 513/3893 games for greaterplayers (current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc): 36/104x Ghoul [34.62%], 13/38x Deep Dwarf [34.21%], 25/99x Merfolk [25.25%], 13/52x Felid [25.00%], 18/73x Troll [24.66%], 13/60x Vampire [21.67%], 23/107x Ogre [21.50%], 14/66x Draconian [21.21%], 15/72x Centaur [20.83%], 17/86x Minotaur [19.77%], 17/92x Halfling [18.48%], 20/110x Gargoyle [18.18%], 49/330x Formicid [14.85%... 01:26:05 !lg PleasingFungus gh won 01:26:06 No games for PleasingFungus (gh won). 01:26:16 !tell PleasingFungus gh have the highest winrate amongst all players and also greaterplayers in current trunk 01:26:16 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:28:14 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:33 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 01:31:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:32:27 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:34:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:39 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:35:42 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37:21 lizard dudes? 01:37:26 na and sa? 01:37:31 !apt na 01:37:31 Na: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 3!, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 2, MP: 0 01:37:37 those are really good apts ??? 01:38:45 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:22 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0/20141125180439]] 01:39:24 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42:46 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:54:02 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:06 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:28 -!- wat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:07 -!- markgo`` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:56:31 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:57:27 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:39 gammafunk: a certain someone went for greatergh recently 01:59:53 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:57 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:55 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:16 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:11:55 -!- winlu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:20:01 !lg !spicerack current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc s=crace / won o=% 02:20:05 2155/146478 games for spicerack (current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc): 78/2225x Deep Dwarf [3.51%], 46/1392x Halfling [3.30%], 54/1800x Ghoul [3.00%], 79/3335x Naga [2.37%], 55/2369x Centaur [2.32%], 121/5811x Merfolk [2.08%], 54/2685x Felid [2.01%], 75/3889x Human [1.93%], 180/9678x Minotaur [1.86%], 90/4851x Hill Orc [1.86%], 78/4415x Troll [1.77%], 171/9796x Gargoyle [1.75%], 76/4490x Ogre [1.... 02:20:23 simmarine: still among the best winrates 02:21:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3178-g2c88c44 (34) 02:21:57 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:17 !lg greaterplayers !spicerack current trunk !boring race!=lava_orc s=crace / won o=% 02:22:18 No keyword 'spicerack' 02:22:55 mineral: presumably lightli means the lizardfolk with the +3 invo apt 02:28:41 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:30:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:41 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34:51 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:35:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:41:32 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:37 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:05 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:08 gammafunk: yes that tends to be how the least popular races work 02:45:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:46:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:49:48 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:50:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51:23 -!- ruwin has quit [] 02:54:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:59:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:55 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:12:59 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:14:02 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 03:16:01 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:35 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:38 -!- atower has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:32:48 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:34:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:40:13 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:57 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:44:37 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:44:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:45:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:45:29 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:48:41 -!- raskol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:17 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:57:26 -!- bcarpe211 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:57:29 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00:14 -!- glamas has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:51 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:08:59 -!- glamas_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:11:32 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 04:12:04 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:38 -!- _glamas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:16:41 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19:00 spess (L24 MiFi) ASSERT(!(flags & SPFLAG_TARGETING_MASK) || map_bounds(pbolt.target)) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 4998 failed. 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I would have expected that it changes the slots around on item pickup. if you already have 30+ items in your inventory the setting is pretty much useless... 06:16:22 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16:22 -!- Elsi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16:33 -!- _miek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:47 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:54 -!- Harkenn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:59 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:01 -!- Harkenn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:18:35 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:20:14 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:21:27 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:21:27 -!- Chase_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:22:21 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:25:14 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:31:05 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:31:15 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 06:31:15 -!- Devell has quit [*.net *.split] 06:32:02 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:10 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:47:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:50 -!- daek_ is now known as Daekdroom 07:03:29 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:19 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:21:07 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:30:10 -!- t4nk792 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:33:32 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:34:23 -!- johnny0_ has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 07:34:39 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:13 -!- johnny0 has quit [Client Quit] 07:39:10 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:44 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 07:50:17 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:51 Feature request: players who die with the Necromutation active do not leave ghosts (same as Vp, Gh, or Mu don't), but instead come back as monster Liches or A.Liches — with a note about the failure of the player who spawned them. 07:53:33 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:55:08 so they die as a lich and come back as a lich 07:55:13 how does that make sense 07:55:59 boris might sue you at this rate 07:58:38 kvaak: His description says that "all true" Liches are functionally immortal. 07:59:33 Maybe the player have not been destroyed, but his defeat at the hands (claws, beaks, tentacles?) of the monsters have twisted his mind and turned him away from the pursuit of the Orb. 08:00:31 After all, one has to wonder, if ancient Liches are *this* powerful, why is the flock of them just having a walk on Zot:5, none of them wanting to claim the Orb for themselves? 08:02:17 Are they having an epic tournament of Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lindwurm-Boris to determine who get it? 08:02:28 I think that's trying to read a bit too much sense into it 08:02:38 they're just there so that the player's got dudes to kill, clearly 08:04:32 Zaba: You are right. It is true enough, mechanically. I don't see how providing some half-decent and maybe even entertaining flavor to come with the dudes to kill is counter-productive. 08:04:57 I any case, I just wanted to share the idea, since it appeared amusing to me. 08:08:24 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:32 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:11:10 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:11:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:17:22 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:28 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:26:45 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:13 -!- siepu has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:13 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:14 -!- jefkin has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:14 -!- the_glow1 has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:15 -!- FiftyNine has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:15 -!- Kite has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:15 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 08:30:16 -!- oddshocks has quit [*.net *.split] 08:36:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:59 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:37:20 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:40:17 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:30 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:42:26 ElanMorin: i was going to add an option auto_swap_item_slot which makes the items swap with the items in those slots, but do you think it should just be always like that? 08:43:07 !crashlog spess 08:43:07 1. spess, XL24 MiFi, T:63063 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/spess/crash-spess-20141216-101853.txt 08:44:08 LRD targetting 08:44:17 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:44:25 !tell Grunt !crashlog spess 1 -- seems to have something to do with LRD targetting 08:44:25 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 08:45:44 wheals: I don't really see the point of the option otherwise... lets say I want my wand of hasting in slot H. by the time I find one it is almost guaranteed that H is already occupied 08:46:37 ah yeah 08:46:38 hm 08:46:44 -!- siepu_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47:05 i just need to make sure that it doesn't get displaced by another wand of hasting if you get another, that could get annoying 08:47:20 to be honest I'd still use it 08:47:50 it is enough for me to know that if I have a wand I can get it with H 08:48:04 yeah, just want to avoid message spam 08:48:32 I just assumed it would happen silently 08:49:01 so on pickup it tells you "H - wand of hasting" 08:49:10 not mentioning that it replaced the previous one 08:49:43 if it replaces another item though, i'd want to know where that item went 08:50:39 need to be able to add a list of letters that will cycle one after the other 08:51:05 a, c, d. a->c->d->a 08:51:17 but I bet that's super complicated 08:51:28 I don't know if it would cause too much additional effort: but what could be done is that the slot swap is only applied if the slot does not already contain a matching regex 08:51:45 -!- soonmide has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:51:49 well that would use up excess turns 08:52:41 <|amethyst> johnstein: swapping is free 08:52:56 <|amethyst> I think moving other items around shouldn't be a default 08:55:14 <|amethyst> At the very least it should tell you, but I think even then it will lead to player mistakes as they try to use what was previously in the slot 08:56:28 <|amethyst> what you could do is skip over assigned slots when picking up an item that doesn't have an assignment 08:56:57 <|amethyst> (and fall back to the first open slot if there are no unassigned slots) 08:58:03 I'm tempted to suggest last open slot instead, on the assumption that earlier ones are "more important" 08:58:20 I'd still prefer if it would just swap around stuff. so I can drop "z - 900 stones" and get H - wand of hasting without additional inventory management 09:00:06 first open slot in the string you give is what it does now 09:00:26 oh, never mind 09:00:40 i misunderstood 09:01:07 |amethyst: I didn't know swapping was free 09:03:53 wheals: but even if it is realised differently: I'd really appreciate an additional "force slot" setting with which you could tell the game that it should enforce the slot for a item matching the regex 09:05:20 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:06:41 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:09:40 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:10 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:13:47 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:49 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:13:55 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 09:18:28 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:18 -!- Guest2422 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:50 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:52 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:24:52 -!- culcube has quit [Changing host] 09:25:45 -!- Piginabag has quit [Changing host] 09:27:31 -!- Gobbo is now known as GoblinBomb 09:36:20 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:24 !tell gammafunk Yet more evidence of how misleading statistics can be........ 09:38:25 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:38:25 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 09:39:33 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:00 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:54:24 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:21 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:07:36 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:09:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:10:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:15:39 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:04 -!- hyperbolic has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:19:34 -!- parabolic is now known as elliptic 10:19:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:20:31 !tell |amethyst any ideas about what's up with #9335? I can't reproduce it at all (relevant commit is 3b0e7df, I assume) 10:20:36 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:26:29 !tell wheals hi.... 10:26:29 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:26:47 !tell PleasingFungus good morning, how are you 10:26:47 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:26:59 I am well. 10:27:02 And you? 10:27:29 ok 10:27:41 am i going crazy or did the win-builds.org website change? 10:28:12 like, i can't find the download link for yypkg-whatever.exe 10:28:29 I have never heard of that site before. 10:30:22 oh, hm 10:30:33 apparently their devteam is releasing a new version right about now 10:30:37 with a gui 10:30:54 cool 10:30:57 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:59 I guess 10:32:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:34:33 <|amethyst> oh, hahaha 10:34:40 <|amethyst> wheals: it's a combination of that and 10:35:04 <|amethyst> %git ee127e8d 10:35:04 Could not find commit ee127e8d (git returned 128) 10:35:14 <|amethyst> %git ee12738d 10:35:14 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-900-gee12738: Don't check MP for spells again after spending mana (#8997) 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 11+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee12738d0190 10:36:28 O_o 10:36:39 so it's happening iff your max mp was 50? 10:36:43 s/was/is 10:37:21 <|amethyst> yup 10:37:29 <|amethyst> I can reproduce if I so arrange it 10:37:39 ah 10:37:48 i guess that's where ponderinghat came in for rjrrt 10:38:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:40:02 <|amethyst> can get rid of my hack and pass a boolean into spell_is_uncastable and friends 10:40:05 <|amethyst> whether to check mp 10:40:36 <|amethyst> or set it to 1000 instead of 50 10:41:07 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:43:16 <|amethyst> hm 10:43:28 <|amethyst> or, make it re-add the correct amount (the spell's cost) 10:43:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:08 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3179-g24051f7: item_slot makes new items swap to get their slots (Sandman25, Tedronai). 10(57 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24051f7046d3 10:51:08 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3180-g9f4f6fe: Make all potions appear darkgrey for mummies. 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f4f6fe17a1e 10:51:08 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3181-g8854a3d: Fix shop sorting. 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8854a3db2dd5 10:51:08 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3182-g26575e8: Update documentation. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 22+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26575e8413ef 10:52:34 -!- Fluttershaft has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 10:54:19 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:29 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:57:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:38 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:01 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:58:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:01 |amethyst: I strongly suspect that you would want to pull the 'not enough mp' check out of spell_is_uncastable altogether (into one of its callers, or a separate function used by several of its callers) 11:00:05 I haven't investigated, tho 11:01:00 !source PRIuSIZET 11:01:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/AppHdr.h;hb=HEAD#l454 11:01:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: probably ultimately that or make it a flag 11:02:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: there is also probably wierdness with _xom_makes_you_cast_random_spell 11:02:12 heh 11:02:14 probably 11:02:18 I suspect that spell_is_temporarily_uncastable and spell_is_permanently_uncastable should be separate functions 11:02:29 I think the use of the boolean parameter there is an anti-pattern 11:03:13 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:33 -!- johnf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:49 not misleading statistics! 11:04:54 wow 11:04:56 gh is ezpz. 11:04:56 d:1 centaur 11:05:39 been a while since i've seen one of these 11:06:31 * geekosaur misses d:1 ogres >.> 11:06:36 !lg wheals 11:06:37 3339. wheals the Stinger (L2 MuVM), slain by a giant gecko (kmap: minmay_three_crescents) on D:1 on 2014-12-16 16:50:37, with 11 points after 522 turns and 0:01:23. 11:06:48 i survived! 11:06:52 though i reached 1hp 11:07:53 the xp... anticost...? 11:09:00 well i didn't _kill_ it 11:09:10 -!- Guest2422 is now known as Basil 11:09:44 i just went back and mephd it 11:10:00 gammafunk: Gh is pretty strong 11:10:08 agree 11:10:28 sure, look at those str growths 11:10:46 11 base and s/5 11:11:09 let me get this right 11:11:09 you can *heal* 11:11:09 by *eating* ?! 11:11:44 crazy....... 11:11:53 !lg . lair:8 11:11:53 4. PleasingFungus the Brawler (L14 GhWz of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a spiny frog (kmap: minmay_lair_end_frog_pond) on Lair:8 on 2014-11-20 05:31:36, with 47962 points after 18967 turns and 1:50:56. 11:12:04 !lg * gh crazy 11:12:05 29. choisan the Wrestler (L22 GhFi of Qazlal), slain by a golden dragon on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2014-12-15 05:48:01, with 366099 points after 39575 turns and 1:51:28. 11:12:06 sometimes healing by eating is a bad idea 11:15:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3183-g2ca0765: Don't block Sublimation at 50 max MP (#9335) 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ca07658b3a0 11:20:09 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:21:22 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3182-g26575e8 (34) 11:22:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3184-g7f227e8: Improve a comment. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f227e8d573e 11:23:40 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:26:11 !send |amethyst t 11:26:11 Sending t to |amethyst. 11:27:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:27:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:27:55 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:30:34 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3185-g383c4da: Release the pedants! 10(8 minutes ago, 10 files, 14+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=383c4da601bb 11:31:33 <|amethyst> !send PleasingFungus no t 11:31:33 Sending no t to PleasingFungus. 11:31:46 i think the complaints i didn't fix were '%I' and '%S' format specifiers, and some stuff in unicode.cc that i didn't understand 11:32:06 <|amethyst> wheals: Windows build complains about %I 11:32:09 <|amethyst> wheals: ? 11:32:14 i just added -pedantic 11:32:24 <|amethyst> wheals: Does it take %zu ? 11:32:31 let pedantry reign...... 11:32:41 <|amethyst> wheals: if so, we should have mingw use that alternative for PRIuSIZET 11:32:45 i didn't check, but i thought the reason we didn't use it was because MSVCRT can't use it? 11:32:45 heh, good semicolons at the end of function declarations 11:33:04 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:33:13 |amethyst: I googled PRIuSIZET and found, in order, the website for Prius, and your commit. 11:33:20 what is '%S', btw? 11:33:32 and can it be replaced? 11:33:44 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, but we might #define something that makes mingw use its own printf rather than msvcrts? 11:34:11 hm 11:34:16 maybe 11:35:07 <|amethyst> %S in MSVCRT means a wide-character string 11:35:43 <|amethyst> I think probably %ls works there? 11:35:53 <|amethyst> maybe not in MSVCRT though 11:36:03 so most of the remaining complaints are because MS is non-standards compliant? :P 11:37:40 <|amethyst> anyway, %S and %I are there precisely to make things work on Windows, so any changes should be tested there (particularly with console builds in the case of %S) 11:39:47 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:40:02 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:30 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:44:10 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:45:55 wheals: thanks for the item_slot change, this works so nicely :) best crawl feature since lang = grunt! 11:46:02 !!!!!!!! 11:46:25 it was originally coded by sandman25, though i kind of rewrote it entirely :) 11:49:19 what does ^= do again? 11:49:44 oh I see 11:49:46 prepend 11:52:20 hrm, guess I can't make it reassign my ring of fire to f from F and my newly ided ring of prot. from fire to F 11:53:15 -!- eliana has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:23 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:27 yeah the ring of fire will just go to whereever the rF ring was 11:54:50 assuming you have the latest change, without the =fire won't get displaced at all 11:55:00 s/without/without it 11:55:22 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:57:29 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:00:44 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:04:24 -!- Fluttershaft has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:49 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:10:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:12:04 -!- johnf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:27:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:37:23 -!- orionstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:38:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:50 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:40 -!- dis- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:18 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:10 -!- dis-_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:04 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:52:34 -!- pere_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:28 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:07 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3186-gc06a356: Don't prevent blurry vision under Ashenzari 10(42 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c06a356a04ba 12:57:07 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3187-geb38783: Reword a Xom message 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb387839b75d 12:57:25 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01:42 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:23 -!- Lasty_1 is now known as Lasty_ 13:12:07 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:23:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:40 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:06 -!- infiniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:46 looks like neither clang gives no warnings! 13:36:50 s/neither / 13:37:10 and g++ has just the "overflow in implicit constant conversion" one on non-Windows 13:39:41 clang?? 13:39:41 clang 13:39:55 wait, no 13:40:06 clang has a warning for json.h 13:40:20 ./json.h:67:9: warning: anonymous types declared in an anonymous union are an 13:40:20 extension [-Wnested-anon-types] 13:41:21 and g++ has warnings in json.cc and cio.cc 13:42:00 shouldn't that xom message be somebody instead of someone 13:42:15 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:35 actually no, never mind 13:42:43 cio.cc:340:76: warning: format ‘%p’ expects argument of type ‘void*’, but argument 2 has type ‘input_history*’ [-Wformat=] 13:42:43 tiles.json_write_string("historyId", make_stringf("%p", history)); 13:43:14 that one's weird, isn't the whole point of void* that any pointer can be converted to it 13:43:58 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44:06 I feel like C thinks that way but C++ doesn't? 13:44:42 although it may also be just that -Wformat is more pedantic than it needs to be 13:45:52 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:46:09 looks like -Wnested-anon-types isn't part of -pedantic in clang trunk, so not much to worry about 13:48:41 Is the Windows DirectX dependancy in the sdl2 submodule still (since Nov 7-8) a known problem? If so, does anyone know what DirectX I need to fix it? 13:49:48 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:51:52 apparently you do have to explicitly cast to void* to be standard-correct, i guess because of varargs and the calling convention not necessarily being the same for different pointer types (though in practice it is) 13:53:09 -!- mineral is now known as read 13:57:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:02 -!- Kittykate has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:02:13 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:24 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:10:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:11:34 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:26 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:52 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:49 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:25:17 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25:21 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:33:26 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:44 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:21 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:21 The build failed. (master - eb38783 #1160 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/44241918 14:41:21 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:42:25 -!- halv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:53 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:49:59 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 14:54:18 -!- stebot has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:55:36 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 14:57:58 wheals: I think pointers to instances of classes using virtual functions or multiple inheritance can be larger than normal. 14:59:00 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:06:05 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:20 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 15:06:42 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:59 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:06 !lg * recent s=ktyp 15:08:09 737410 games for * (recent): 467110x mon, 124073x beam, 61320x quitting, 43350x pois, 19100x leaving, 6927x winning, 4055x acid, 3192x cloud, 1623x disintegration, 1082x spore, 912x wild magic, 873x starvation, 860x burning, 566x water, 554x targeting, 307x barbs, 299x something, 207x curare, 197x bounce, 102x self aimed, 88x spines, 88x rolling, 86x divine wrath, 85x rotting, 77x trap, 72x lava, ... 15:08:18 !lg * recent s=kaux 15:08:21 737411 games for * (recent): 409848x, 31340x by divine providence, 16489x a +0 club, 15016x magic dart, 11193x puff of flame, 10180x a +0,+0 club, 9293x a +0 giant club, 7753x a +0 spear, 7001x a +0 halberd, 6395x a +0 dagger, 6300x a +0 flail, 5845x by nerve-wracking pain, 5554x a +0 short sword, 5399x a +0,+0 giant club, 5180x a +0 scythe, 4620x a +0 giant spiked club, 4190x a +0 whip, 3905x Sho... 15:08:22 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:25 hm 15:08:36 !lg * recent kmsg~~"potion" 15:08:36 Unknown field: kmsg 15:09:01 !lg * s=killer 15:09:07 3835075 games for *: 783411x, 202835x a hobgoblin, 200981x a kobold, 190492x a gnoll, 155893x an orc priest, 131102x an orc wizard, 109472x an adder, 106830x an ogre, 100612x Sigmund, 95454x an orc, 94466x a jackal, 84600x a goblin, 76554x an orc warrior, 67151x a giant gecko, 65149x a centaur, 58807x a worm, 46136x a snake, 40189x Grinder, 34228x Terence, 31495x Crazy Yiuf, 30248x Ijyb, 28478x a ... 15:11:04 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:13:39 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:15:53 still need new serpent of hell tiles 15:16:14 do we 15:16:23 the current tiles clearly show a single head 15:18:24 o 15:18:34 I forgot they were flavored three-headed now 15:18:47 in addition to the horrifying triple breath thing 15:20:12 -!- crawl-dev has quit [Client Quit] 15:20:35 -!- Ironfoot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:36 need a sprint to use three of the serpents at once 15:20:38 I wonder if the messages would be better if it would be tweaked to say e.g. "the Serpent of Hell's first head breathes crystal! the Serpent of Hell's second head breathes metal!" etc 15:20:49 or if that would just be spammy 15:21:01 !messages 15:21:01 No messages for Ironfoot. 15:21:14 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:21:28 they also have three bite attacks in melee 15:21:42 similar to three headed hydras 15:22:07 The 8-headed hydra's first head hits you! The 8-headed hydra's second head hits you! You block the 8-headed hydra's third head's attack. The 8-headed hydra's fourth head misses. 15:22:09 "the serpent of hell's first head bites you! the serpent of hell's second head bites you!" 15:23:08 fr this for lerny 15:23:14 heh 15:23:53 "Ru redirects the serpent of hell's second head's attack! The serpent of hell's second head bites the serpent of hell's third head!" 15:28:01 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:59 doy: did you see my more detailed proposal re: charm reform? 15:30:20 did you see the proposal hurkyl just put up 15:30:39 yeah 15:31:02 It's interesting, though I worry it amounts to starting some classes w/ endgame equipment 15:31:15 though you could argue that it's no worse than starting them w/ endgame spells 15:31:31 is this in GDD? 15:31:34 yeah 15:31:41 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14439 15:31:43 ty 15:32:34 The -mp aspect feels pretty arbitrary except that it references the spells that they're derived from 15:32:52 and the air amulet seems just too sick by far 15:33:00 air amulet? 15:33:09 the phase shift amulet 15:33:12 er translocations amulet 15:33:14 not air 15:34:01 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:34:14 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:20 considering these as items in their own right, as if they were added from scratch rather than being modifications of existing spells: 15:34:27 stone ego is cute and might be feasible 15:34:32 swiftboots seem weird and fiddly 15:34:38 displacement sounds hilariously strong 15:34:46 Agreed 15:34:59 The shield's not terrible 15:35:00 condensation shield is kind of technically complex and I suspect also very strong 15:35:06 it's not terrible but I'm really iffy on it 15:35:26 Overall, I don't really like the proposal, but I appreciate the lateral thinking 15:35:41 and I like the idea of moving some charms into a more slotted design 15:35:45 well, the nice thing is it can be taken piece by piece 15:35:54 some variant of ego:stone could be feasible 15:35:55 Lasty_: i looked at it, i'm not sure how i feel though 15:37:06 idk. it's kind of different from ego:pain in that it interacts much more strongly with extended - there's a strong incentive for characters to train earth in extended so they can use stone armour, whereas that's not true for pain 15:37:37 yeah, though of course the value of the stone ego is something we could adjust 15:37:37 yeah, i don't like hurkyl's idea as a whole either 15:38:11 doy: what are your current thoughts on the best direction for the project? 15:38:13 i feel like balancing charms via "use mp on proc" would be very hard to get right 15:38:26 because "how much mp" and "what does proc mean" are quite unclear 15:38:52 I'm not sure there's any reasonable value of scaling for stone ego that would both make it worth training earth in a 3-rune game, and not make it hilariously op in extended. 15:39:51 and having it affect mp regen wouldn't be particularly meaningful in the context of a single fight, which is where it matters 15:39:55 I would generally assume that the approach works with charms that proc on discrete events: shroud procs when you are attacked in melee; rmsl procs when attacked by a ranged attack; stoneskin/ozo's proc when you're attacked by anything that checks AC; etc 15:40:04 Regen procs every turn 15:40:13 yeah, mp regen was a bad idea 15:40:27 crate had a compelling response to that 15:41:22 Haste, ring of fire, and swiftness wouldn't be "always-on" charms, since they already aren't ones you want to spam 15:42:17 heh, nvjack suggested that johlstei "see Lastly's post" 15:42:21 how would you determine how much mp to use per proc? 15:42:31 PleasingFungus: yeah, I get some "lastly" now and then 15:43:14 "mp on proc" 15:43:28 that is an idea I could see working 15:43:30 (and how would you communicate this to the player, since it'll quite often be less than 1 for a lot of spells) 15:43:40 cf.: infusion, pproj, 15:44:48 presumably div_rand_round 15:44:59 or one_chance_in 15:45:05 PleasingFungus: i mean, how would you determine what numbers to use 15:45:10 not how you would implement it 15:45:18 o 15:45:19 doy: I would assume it scales w/ the spell; some spells like regen should probably have a low mp on proc cost (1 per 10 turns or so?) whereas something like rMsl or Stoneskin might make sense to proc more often (1/4?). I like the idea of having the proc get modulated between (say) 2x and 0.5x base rate based on spellpower. 15:45:20 let me look again 15:47:17 Or maybe just a straight up 1/4 base rate is fine for all the procs, now that i'm thinking of it. 15:47:49 It'll probably require a little bit of consideration to find the right value. 15:48:23 what does "base rate" mean? 15:48:41 the "base rate" of 1/10 or 1/4 I specified earlier in that comment 15:49:02 -!- kazimuth has quit [Client Quit] 15:49:15 would dmsl cost more than rmsl? 15:49:16 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:49:35 doy: that seems reasonable to me 15:49:46 it might be okay for a higher-level spell to be better than a lower level one 15:49:50 just my opinion 15:49:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:55 proccing regen's chance-of-mp-cost on every player turn would have very strange interactions with regen rate.s 15:50:12 specifically, it would encourage breadswinging 15:50:13 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:50:24 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:35 PleasingFungus: It could be on each hp gain instead of each turn 15:50:39 well, obviously it would be per aut, not per turn 15:50:42 or something like that 15:51:13 I suppose dMsl already has the penalty of proccing less often unless you invest heavily, so having the mp drain be the same is probably fine 15:51:20 <|amethyst> which would mean you'd really want binomial() 15:51:37 i guess my main concern here is 15:51:50 it's going to be very difficult to communicate these costs to the player 15:51:50 Lasty_: at present, regeneration simply increases the hp you gain each turn. 15:51:55 <|amethyst> you don't just want chance * time_elapsed/10 because the variance changes as you get more or fewer turns 15:51:55 since they are going to be widely different from how all other spells work 15:51:57 it's not a separate thing. 15:52:01 and also widely different from each other 15:54:20 doy: I don't think it'll be that difficult; we can indicate the cost in the description ("this spell will drain your mana a (tiny|small|moderate) amount of the time when evading ranged attacks") 15:54:51 And since the drain will be gradual, it'll be relatively easy to see it happening 15:54:52 "spell cost: choko" 15:55:03 it's not like it'd suddenly drain all your MP 15:55:41 <|amethyst> spell descriptions aren't commonly read though 15:55:50 <|amethyst> it would be nice to show it somehow on the M/z screen 15:56:13 "Sustain cost: 1/4" 15:56:23 <|amethyst> but there's not much room :( 15:56:26 yeah 15:56:38 <|amethyst> unless we make ! cycle through three screens :) 15:56:41 heh 15:56:47 <|amethyst> (also, M should really let you use !) 15:56:57 My intuition is that it'll be fairly apparent experientially how much it drains mana 15:57:12 especially if we smoothe it out across triggers 15:57:22 <|amethyst> (I mean, toggle to the power/range/hunger screen, not what it does now) 15:57:22 |amethyst: agreed 15:57:24 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:38 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:44 i mean, that might be, but it's also my feeling that it'll cause quite a lot of questions for new players 15:57:51 my intuition is that people will not notice until they're suddenly and mystifyingly out of mp 15:57:55 because it just feels opaque 15:57:59 judging from my own experiences with portal projectile 15:58:07 which is much more predictable but, even so 15:58:40 <|amethyst> I imagine infusion is the same way 15:59:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:59:50 oh, this is about permabuffs, right? 16:00:03 yes 16:00:04 I think cost on "use" is better than max mp cost 16:00:15 with infusion, you have a much smaller amount of mp, and there's less going on generally 16:00:20 it's a little easier to notice, I think 16:00:42 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:44 With a max MP cost you might want to toggle a lot 16:01:24 i mean, to some extent, if you don't occasionally become "suddenly and mystifyingly out of mp", then the cost is clearly too low 16:02:23 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:02:31 I think if most buffs use the same system it will be fine 16:02:44 If it's completely different for all of them, it will be terrible 16:02:59 But that is the case with anything in the game 16:03:14 doy: I mean yes, obviously, the mp cost needs to be actually capable of running you out of mp 16:03:38 <|amethyst> highlight in the MP bar those MP that were drained by sustain costs 16:03:44 but yeah, it's the "mystifying" part that's the main problem 16:03:46 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:07 |amethyst: not sure i understand what that would even mean 16:05:00 <|amethyst> doy: how much MP was deducted automatically since your last action 16:05:22 <|amethyst> doy: as opposed to MP spent casting a spell 16:05:38 <|amethyst> but I guess that raises question about what happens if you are both gaining and losing 16:05:49 yeah, it would interact weirdly with mp regen i think 16:05:57 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:16 and it would just be like one every bunch of turns most likely, which would be hard to actually derive information from 16:08:14 maybe -int instead of -maxmp? 16:08:16 (: 16:08:33 -!- 7JTABSFEB has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:59 <|amethyst> -int is only a cost if you're going to be casting other things 16:10:00 I think it doesn't have to be mystifying 16:10:01 well, it also tends to be lower than maxmp if you're not going to be casting things (by later in the game anyway) 16:10:16 As long as it's a bunch of spells working the same, and it's clearly mentioned in the description 16:10:33 there's rarely a reason to have an int higher than 7 or 8, but you get 1 maxmp per xl 16:11:33 and there are things like brain worms and neqoxecs to make wandering around with extremely low int dangerous 16:11:54 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:11:56 <|amethyst> hm 16:12:02 <|amethyst> yeah, good points 16:12:48 int drain is really annoying though 16:13:15 oh, right, only while the spell is on 16:13:46 Sounds fine actually 16:14:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 16:15:33 would probably want to make disabling buffs take more than a single turn, so that it's not just a matter of turning them off whenever you run into a dangerous monster 16:15:35 which actually 16:15:40 Anything that costs something when you have the spell up while not actually using it encourages a lot of toggling though 16:15:45 would solve PleasingFungus's issue with flight vs wind drakes 16:17:56 That's why I like Lasty's MP cost on use idea 16:22:53 -!- vedevede is now known as vede 16:23:07 well, we already have precedent for using delays to discourage toggling (gourmand, for instance) 16:26:13 other potential things to consider are that any of these permanent casting ideas are removing miscasts and hunger costs 16:26:22 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:26:48 which would make it a pretty strong buff to higher level charms 16:28:06 another question: how does this interact with silence? 16:28:37 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29:24 I'm not sure Silence is that significant wrt buffs right now 16:30:09 i could see not being able to recast dmsl as being noticeable, if not significant 16:30:11 but yeah, shrug 16:30:20 fair point wrt hunger costs & miscasts 16:30:38 -!- tyut has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:33:36 what about: buffs aren't permanent, their duration is shorter than currently, they have a cooldown, and you can only have some small number (2-3) active at once 16:34:56 cooldowns and/or restrictions on the number of active buffs are how the mechanics work in like every other game 16:35:12 (although most of them aren't turn-based, but still) 16:37:01 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:39:26 essentially, make most buffs work the same way as haste. 16:40:07 ? 16:40:11 give glow? 16:40:22 rip having ozo's up 100% of the time 16:40:23 <|amethyst> "have a cooldown" 16:40:25 oh 16:40:31 <|amethyst> which is implemented using glow for haste and invis 16:40:34 please let me fix the ui :( 16:40:39 while you come up with an actual solution 16:40:50 doesn't ozos already have a cooldown?? 16:40:56 wouldn't it be more like swiftness then (since if absolutely necessary you can recast haste and invis at the risk of yellow glow) 16:41:01 !glaciate wheals 16:41:01 PleasingFungus gestures at wheals while chanting. PleasingFungus conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs wheals! 16:41:25 <|amethyst> I think having a cooldown doesn't help with tedium much 16:41:32 <|amethyst> instead of recasting to keep it up all the time... 16:41:34 johlstei: which was your pet solution? 16:41:39 <|amethyst> you recast when the cooldown expires 16:41:45 well 16:41:51 automate the recasting in such a way that it behaves exactly as an "optimal" player does right now 16:42:00 oh. 16:42:01 ie checks failure chance, costs mana, falls off during combat 16:42:02 go play with clua 16:42:07 yeah maybe I could do that 16:42:12 how much gamestate can you query with lua 16:42:22 yeah, that sounds like something that should already be possible if you really want it 16:42:30 |amethyst: beware the food cost! 16:42:43 need to hook exploring and travel, check if I have a buff right now or not 16:42:47 |amethyst: the argument would be that you would be that, first, you wouldn't be able to keep spells running constantly out of combat, since they might be on cooldown when you actually need them... 16:43:02 do different things based on percent of mana left 16:43:11 johlstei: read auto_eat_chunks in adv. optioneering 16:43:24 will do 16:43:25 ... and second, you wouldn't necessarily even want to cast them in every fight, since you might need them right after for a much nastier enemy - like haste, etc 16:43:29 that's probably a good starting point (I was thinking about writing this today) 16:43:29 <|amethyst> johlstei: if something's missing and doesn't leak hidden information, you can add it... not sure about hooks during travel 16:43:58 <|amethyst> johlstei: (i.e. clua isn't complete, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be more complete) 16:44:03 I know hda.rc does something involving autoeating during travel 16:44:06 fair enough 16:44:07 it has funky messages 16:44:08 <|amethyst> that is how elliptic's bot works 16:44:23 <|amethyst> when it doesn't know something, elliptic uses his commit access to fix that 16:44:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: good points 16:45:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so in part it would turn on cooldown vs duration time 16:45:37 -!- Sky_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:39 yes. 16:45:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if (like swift) they last the same amount of time, it's fine 16:46:04 <|amethyst> only if cooldown is much less than duration does it approach being a problem 16:47:39 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 16:47:42 I'm concerned about multiplication of statuses 16:47:58 but at least we can guarantee that there won't be more in the status bar at one time than there are now 16:48:03 !lg * killer~~spellforged ikiller~~lich ckaux~~crystal_spear 16:48:06 4. yalue the Executioner (L21 MiFi of The Shining One), blasted by a spellforged servitor (crystal spear) (summoned by a lich) on Abyss:1 on 2014-12-16 22:45:46, with 335401 points after 51802 turns and 3:05:02. 16:48:14 this is getting to be a popular death 16:48:16 (: 16:48:26 pew 16:48:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: as alefury was saying "If it's completely different for all of them, it will be terrible" 16:48:28 fredelich 16:48:53 yeah, turns out that liches being able to have a chance to summon something that reliably casts crystal spear is dangerous 16:49:01 -!- theTower_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:01 |amethyst: well I mean, we'd have like... -ice, -swift, -stone, -rmsl, -dmsl, -phase 16:49:16 which is a lot of new statuses (and I was wrong a sec ago, it would be more lights) 16:49:26 <|amethyst> how much could you do with just -buff? 16:49:35 ? 16:49:37 <|amethyst> I guess not much if you want to allow more than one ever 16:50:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:20 I'm also not at all sold on the need for "you can only have some small number (2-3) active at once" 16:50:23 -!- theTower has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:50:42 I don't think that would add anything 16:50:49 but the rest of this proposal might be okay 16:52:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:54 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:48 -!- theTower_ is now known as theTower 16:57:38 yeah, that part may not be necessary 16:59:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:00:27 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:38 I worry that this leaves the tedium of casting all your buffs fr every fight, but adds a new need to rest off a new timer after each fight 17:01:57 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:13 %git 17:03:13 07MarvinPA02 * 0.16-a0-3187-geb38783: Reword a Xom message 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb387839b75d 17:03:15 !!! 17:03:18 He Lives 17:03:43 do robots really live 17:03:51 deep yo 17:04:01 <|amethyst> He Exists 17:04:22 i mean, it's not like "resting things off after every battle" isn't already a thing 17:04:35 but there's no need to lean into it 17:04:40 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:19 on the other hand, it's not like it would make anything worse 17:05:22 Lasty: yeah, that's essentially the haste/invis problem, writ large 17:05:36 doy: ? 17:05:42 apparently according to SA daevas are horribly horribly named 17:05:50 and hp/mp regen, and breath weapons, and... 17:05:57 mountain daevas? 17:06:16 well, it turns out daeva is basically "evil fake god" 17:06:21 cool 17:06:24 The need to address SA's opinion of daeva nomenclature sounds *extremely urgent* 17:06:49 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:06:51 in retrospect yeah this is dumb 17:07:01 <|amethyst> yeah, our "daevas" are D&D "devas" I think? 17:07:02 1learn add lightli 17:07:10 well, right now if you buff up before a fight and take no damage, you can keep going. Under the proposed system, you need to rest anyway 17:07:16 everything is gygax's fault. 17:08:09 but that's IMO not nearly as bad as having to cast Ozo's before every fight 17:08:10 <|amethyst> anyway 17:08:11 |amethyst: no wonder SA hates them then 17:08:14 if they're devs 17:08:24 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:38 yeah, it'd probably be an improvement overall 17:08:48 not perfect but I would be fine with someone implementing it. 17:08:59 PleasingFungus: but it keeps the problem of casting Ozo's before eery fight 17:09:01 <|amethyst> anyway, AFAICT, "daeva" is a bad thing in zoroastrianism because "deva" is a good thing in hinduism 17:09:11 <|amethyst> so maybe we can just remove the a 17:09:14 Lasty: it does not. 17:09:17 daev 17:09:27 or remove both and get....dev 17:09:35 PleasingFungus: why not? 17:09:45 |amethyst: sounds like someone's just being a bit of a... diva.....? 17:09:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:01 [14:43] PleasingFungus ... and second, you wouldn't necessarily even want to cast them in every fight, since you might need them right after for a much nastier enemy - like haste, etc 17:10:04 Lasty: ^ 17:10:28 I think making the buffs fairly short duration would help a lot 17:10:30 <|amethyst> "In Hinduism, the asuras (Sanskrit: असुर) are a group of power-seeking deities related to the more benevolent devas (also known as suras)." "In the Gathas, the oldest hymns of Zoroastrianism and thought to have been composed by Zoroaster himself, the poet exhorts his followers to pay reverence to only the ahuras, and to rebuff the daevas and others who act "at Lie's command"." 17:10:58 PleasingFungus: But +10 AC is often the difference between a nasty fight and an easy fight. It'd just become ideal to work harder at isolating monsters 17:11:15 Lasty: It's already ideal to do that....... 17:11:21 <|amethyst> ("ahura" and "asura" are etymologically cognate) 17:11:32 PleasingFungus: right, and we want to try to make things better, right? 17:11:33 both with making it more likely that they'll backfire on you for casting against weak enemies (by making it more likely that they wear out if a nastier enemy shows up midway through), & by reducing resting times after 17:11:45 Lasty: Nothing we do is going to change it being optimal to separate enemies, when possible. 17:12:01 unless your mlg pro HESu 17:12:08 Lasty: to be honest, I don't even see a problem with "+10 AC is often the difference between a nasty fight and an easy fight" 17:12:09 then you go all the way 17:12:13 like 17:12:14 PleasingFungus: right, but separating enemies being optimal makes it mostly crrect to always ozo up still 17:12:17 so you cast it when in a nasty fight 17:12:28 Lasty: No. 17:12:38 PleasingFungus: Yes. 17:12:46 You are assuming that you are able to always separate enemies. 17:12:48 This is not the case. 17:13:01 -!- xordid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:08 <|amethyst> and that enemies never spawn and wander in from an unexpected direction 17:13:09 In the hypothetical platonic ideal crawl as played by crate et al, that would be true. 17:13:14 We do not play that crawl. 17:13:15 sure, in a minority of cases. And in those cases, you have to deal with more enemies than you want, so you should Ozo up 17:13:31 so in this system, you cast ozo and there's a cooldown? 17:13:34 <|amethyst> Lasty: the problem is if those enemies wander in during the cooldown 17:13:35 Yes, you should ozo up when more enemies show up. 17:13:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:13:53 gammafunk: ozo or cshield or *msl or stoneskin or phase shift 17:13:54 |amethyst: only enemies faster than you or when there's no retreat 17:13:55 is the list, I think 17:14:29 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:35 I mean, sure, it'll be slightly less optimal to always buff before every fight because there's a small number of times where it's dangerous 17:14:40 is the cooldown shared for all of these, or separate? 17:14:52 But there's still the overwhhelming majority where it stays the same as now 17:14:57 gammafunk: separate, like swiftness. 17:15:12 <|amethyst> do you haste before every fight? 17:15:43 plus then we need new -Ozo's statii for every charm 17:15:46 well it's a bit different, you can double-haste, there's no hard cap 17:15:51 but you can get mutated 17:15:57 |amethyst: no, but mosty because I'm lazy 17:16:01 In Zot I do 17:16:27 also I often keep Haste at a mmore danggerous fail rate 17:16:51 !log . DEFE rune=15 17:16:51 Unknown field: rune 17:16:56 !log . DEFE crune=15 17:16:56 Unknown field: crune 17:17:00 !log . DEFE hs 17:17:01 No keyword 'hs' 17:17:11 !hs . DEFE log 17:17:12 134. Lightli, XL27 DEFE, T:127292: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20120518-000011.txt 17:17:38 15 rune with no haste 17:17:40 I am the laziesy 17:17:45 *laziest 17:17:48 -!- gortat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:17:53 !log . migl 17:17:53 8. SGrunt, XL27 MiGl, T:169298: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/SGrunt/morgue-SGrunt-20141127-220900.txt 17:18:04 even my fighters can haste 17:18:06 what's your excuse 17:18:07 <_< 17:18:41 Grunt: What's a fighter? 17:18:59 * Grunt carves PleasingFungus like a ham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:19:00 haste also survives to facilitate escape directly, unlike these other buffs, so the decision making process is a bit different 17:19:18 I think swift worked pretty well with the -swift change 17:19:32 PleasingFungus: a class in D&D! 17:19:47 I guess that MiGl was more of a ranged guy anyway 17:19:56 to wit 17:19:57 I use it a lot less, which was the intent since you always wanted to use it before, but it's still useful 17:20:01 !lm . migl uniq=cerebov -tv:<3.0 17:20:02 1. SGrunt, XL27 MiGl, T:141030 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 17:20:04 I agree about swiftness, because it doesn't also give an offensive buff, so you only want to initiate it when it's time to go 17:20:39 also 17:20:41 Lasty: well, when do you want to initiate ozo/phase? when you're about to have your ac/ev checked 17:20:43 it has an active negative downside 17:20:56 which isn't something we're proposing for ozo's etc 17:21:02 maybe we should be, idk. 17:21:33 gammafunk: heh, true, "offensive" was the wrong phrase. But you don't activate swiftess and then start a fight obviously 17:21:49 I see what lasty is saying about this meaning some more resting in general (which I think is the crux of why he's opposed) 17:22:08 but otoh you'd use these buffs less overall I feel 17:22:37 If Ozo's ended with -Ozo's (-10 AC) I'd definitely use it less 17:22:48 if they did inflict a mallus, that'd make the decision easier, but yeah then they'd probably be terrible 17:23:06 probably 17:23:12 yeah ozo's with a drawback would make me really start looking back towards fire magic instead of ice magic as my favorite school 17:23:26 ...ok 17:23:26 the massive AC boost it gives ice mages is amazing 17:24:28 Lasty: tbh I think it's probably a net win; instead of me just using these buffs blindly when they're beneficial/available, I'll have to think a bit more 17:24:44 one thing I worry about are the transmutations that kind of depend on these spells to be good 17:24:48 dform, statue 17:25:02 I feel there's a strong need for at least phase for these spells to be reasonably optimal to use 17:26:14 that could be addressed in other ways, but this cooldown change doesn't happen in a vacuum 17:26:36 Well, I think I've laid out my case on the subject, so I'll leave it at this: i'd be a bit sad if charms reform were merely shorter charms and a timeout before reuse. 17:26:58 Lasty: one charms reform doesn't preclude others 17:27:06 something something, perfect the enemy of the good 17:27:15 gammafunk: my feeling is that stoneskin shouldn't exist 17:27:43 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3187-geb38783 (34) 17:27:55 PleasingFungus: I feel like it'd be rude to push a charms reform that directly overwrites/obviates another dev's efforts 17:27:56 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:00 I think stoneskin is basically the least synergistic with transmutations, if you're commenting on what was saying 17:28:34 -!- infiniplex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:44 I'm mostly thinking phase and ozo, former for dform,statue, latter for dform 17:28:45 Lasty: pushing it without discussing it would be rude, yes. but otherwise no 17:28:58 part of the problem is that blade hands is probably too good, of course 17:28:58 gammafunk: well, statue form gets special stoneskin synergy 17:29:13 yes it does, but statue doesn't realy need more ac is what I'm saying 17:29:18 so I in essense agree with you 17:29:25 wrt it's removal 17:29:29 I mean it's not that 17:29:41 I just don't think we need two low-level +ac charms 17:29:55 and stoneskin is way more boring than ozo's 17:30:19 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:30:54 well remember there are restrictions on when you can use ozo and stoneskin 17:30:58 that's kind of what I'm talking about 17:31:26 yeah, i have no issues with someone else working on this too 17:31:37 yeah stoneskin doesn't work in dform, for instance 17:31:50 or any of the other forms save statue, bh 17:33:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:33:37 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:37 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:21 gammafunk: huh 17:35:26 I honestly didn't remember that 17:35:29 had to go look it up 17:35:46 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:39 -!- hyperbolic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:48 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:04 <|amethyst> hm 17:58:08 ? 17:58:12 <|amethyst> monsters got stupid about needles at some point 17:58:12 !abyss Grunt 17:58:12 bh casts a spell. Grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 17:58:20 !hellfire bh 17:58:20 * Sequell ends bh in hellfire! You hear a strangely unpleasant explosion. 17:58:28 <|amethyst> they used to know not to shoot poison at you if you're immune 18:05:31 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:08:06 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:23 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 18:10:23 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:32 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:15:02 -!- Sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:51 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:16:15 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:59 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:25 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27:32 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:28:08 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:13 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:47 wheals: hrm, when I give multiple slot options with item_slots, it seems to be random which it uses 18:36:57 e.g. item_slot += ring of (ice|protection from cold) : Cc 18:37:02 sometimes it gets C, sometimes c 18:38:15 also, weird, why is D dropping all by this ring of protection from cold after I pick them up with the , menu 18:41:01 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:41:51 -!- culcube is now known as [hy[hpr 18:41:56 -!- [hy[hpr is now known as pjhyphor 18:42:00 -!- pjhyphor is now known as phyphor 18:44:13 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:47 -!- ladnav has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:54:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:56 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:01 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:03 -!- Cryp71c__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:31 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com] 19:00:33 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:01:45 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 19:02:29 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:59 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:35 it can drop multiple items, yes 19:04:40 no idea about the randomness 19:05:09 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 19:05:14 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:41 no, I mean it drops all but the ring of prot. from cold 19:12:58 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: welp cya] 19:15:01 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 19:15:21 -!- Cryp71c__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:16:13 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:58 <|amethyst> hm 19:17:41 <|amethyst> I suspect that autoswap isn't doing anything with last_pickup 19:17:52 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:55 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:21:34 -!- Cryp71c__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:46 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:24:58 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:25:12 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:12 for some reason it will never map "gourmand 19:25:15 -!- Cryp71c__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:28 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:09 !lg sirsamvines 19:27:10 No games for sirsamvines. 19:27:20 !lg sirsamvimes 19:27:20 879. SirSamVimes the Severer (L18 HOGl of Beogh), engulfed by a cloud of thunder on Swamp:5 on 2014-12-17 01:25:38, with 209484 points after 45846 turns and 3:46:21. 19:27:25 !lm sirsamvimes uniq 19:27:26 2171. [2014-12-17 01:25:23] SirSamVimes the Severer (L18 HOGl of Beogh) killed the 26-headed Lernaean hydra on turn 45843. (Swamp:5) 19:27:30 !lm sirsamvimes uniq -2 19:27:30 2170/2171. [2014-12-17 01:11:06] SirSamVimes the Severer (L18 HOGl of Beogh) killed Roxanne on turn 43624. (Swamp:3) 19:28:36 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:17 today i discovered that KMASK: . = !opaque works, which is very nice 19:30:03 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:22 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:31:15 -!- Calisca3 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:34:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:36:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:47:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:48:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:11 -!- cr0ne has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:51:28 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:54:38 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:56:22 -!- cr0ne has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:57 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59:26 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:03:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:03:23 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:39 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:11:13 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 20:11:42 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:12:27 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:01 -!- odor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:20:32 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:01 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 20:24:35 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:27:11 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:35:52 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3188-gbc1202d: Be more pedantic. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc1202dcd68a 20:38:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3189-ge978b94: More pedantry. 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 4+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e978b94a0781 20:38:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3190-g1b05c8e: Avoid a warning 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b05c8e38a3e 20:38:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3191-g0746809: Document vault tech (nicolae) 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0746809b963b 20:38:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3192-g4847bf6: Document an enum order dependency. 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4847bf6c9c44 20:39:22 oh, neat 20:39:33 ##crawl-pedantry when 20:39:48 now.... 20:39:51 you're already in it!!! 20:39:53 dang. 20:40:10 tbf to the "deva" people, changing daeva -> deva would be consistent with the kenku -> tengu thing. 20:40:13 on the other hand, who cares. 20:41:04 dva 20:41:04 i m o 20:41:32 <|amethyst> enzari 20:41:36 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:41:42 shnzri 20:42:05 make a creature that uses the ae ligature 20:42:08 as a glyph 20:42:16 elven ant 20:42:18 <|amethyst> retheme formicids as elves 20:42:26 <|amethyst> really deep elves 20:42:42 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:43:16 arachnelves 20:46:20 heh, the crawlwiki page on 'evil' still lists bottled efreet as an 'evil item' 20:47:57 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:17 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:49:55 ??bottled efreet 20:49:56 bottled efreet[1/1]: Summons a permanent efreet. Its chance of being friendly is 50%, plus 5% per 3 levels of Evocations (so 95% at level 27). Always carries a flaming scimitar. Removed in 0.14. 20:50:16 I assume it was removed because "permanent ally" 20:50:45 it was removed because it was reallyb ad 20:52:06 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:52:15 ahabkang (L20 TrMo) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Snake:5) 20:52:21 ???????????? 20:52:30 !crashlog ahabkang 20:52:30 1. ahabkang, XL20 TrMo, T:48746 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/ahabkang/crash-ahabkang-20141217-025214.txt 20:57:02 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 20:57:56 <|amethyst> FR: mercenary shops, and have Gozag always offer a mercenary shop 20:58:19 I like that idea 20:58:28 %git mercenary_shop 20:58:28 Could not find commit mercenary_shop (git returned 128) 20:58:32 hm what was that branch 20:58:35 I coded those up ages ago 20:58:54 <|amethyst> would also be nice for bailey? 20:59:14 <|amethyst> not a shop necessarily, but a contract 20:59:16 %git merc-shops 20:59:16 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2536-g3a2db19: Mercenary shops. 10(10 months ago, 11 files, 202+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a2db191056e 20:59:23 <|amethyst> aha 20:59:27 I bet that has bit-rotted 21:01:00 !rot Grunt 21:01:06 * Grunt feels terrible. 21:01:49 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:02:24 !update-goodplayers 21:02:25 Mapping goodplayers => 78291 bmfx elliptic hyperbolic jeanjacques clouded mikee crate pac bart pivotal stabwound johnnyzero minmay ophanim basil magistern hyperelliptic marvinpa surr nago walkerboh simm wahaha ebarrett ionfrigate mrplanck elynae reid dck sphara cheibrodos morganleah tenaya theglow yermak heteroy itsmu toastyp xyblor casmith789 sar uglything maddasher evilmike vizer araganzar rob e... 21:02:30 !update-greatplayers 21:02:32 Mapping greatplayers => 78291 hyperbolic stabwound xyblor elliptic pseudonut mikee itsmu nht casmith789 jaeger clouded marvinpa reid nyaakitty evilmike toastyp theglow ionfrigate valrus jeanjacques ebarrett surr elynae magistern pivotal crate bart ophanim pac jeremie eeviac absolutego ktgrey bmfx vizer yogaflame wahaha simm danharaj johnnyzero swiss hilariousdeathartist kryft basil n1000 sgrunt ac... 21:02:34 !update-greaterplayers 21:02:36 Mapping greaterplayers => 78291 hyperbolic elliptic mikee stabwound xyblor marvinpa pseudonut nyaakitty reid jeanjacques ionfrigate itsmu valrus magistern pivotal clouded pac bart absolutego ophanim crate vizer bmfx eeviac elynae ebarrett simm wahaha toastyp danharaj johnnyzero hilariousdeathartist kryft walkerboh basil dck surr ackack medar sgrunt minmay cheibrodos araganzar morganleah n1000 drke... 21:02:40 !update-centuryplayers 21:02:41 Mapping centuryplayers => 78291 bart basil bmfx clouded crate drke elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic jeanjacques johnnyzero magistern marvinpa mikee minmay mrplanck nago ophanim pac pivotal stabwound tolias walkerboh surr simm ebarrett morganleah sar wahaha yermak hilariousdeathartist sphara 21:02:52 !update-gammafunkplayers 21:02:54 Grunt: yeah it's pretty rotted 21:02:59 lemme see if it's a simple rebase 21:03:05 (wwwhhheeeaaalllsss?) 21:03:11 hrm 21:03:16 I need a check-greatplayer function 21:04:10 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:04:13 !cmd update-goodplayers 21:04:13 Command: !update-goodplayers => !nick goodplayers $(!lg * won s=name fmt:"${.}" join:" " ?:N>9) 21:04:14 %git :/iscellan 21:04:15 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-2732-gb2afc92: Put phantom mirrors with miscellaneous items on the knowledge screen 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2afc92e008c 21:04:18 %git :/iscellany 21:04:19 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-1725-g9d103ec: Add a gadget shop for miscellany/evokables 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 6 files, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d103ec4508e 21:04:37 also need to exclude experimentals on these 21:04:40 oh 21:05:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:08 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/[Mm]iscellany} 21:05:09 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-1725-g9d103ec: Add a gadget shop for miscellany/evokables 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 6 files, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d103ec4508e 21:05:15 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/[Mm]iscellany}^{/[Mm]iscellany} 21:05:16 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-1725-g9d103ec: Add a gadget shop for miscellany/evokables 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 6 files, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d103ec4508e 21:05:18 <|amethyst> err 21:05:22 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/[Mm]iscellany}^^{/[Mm]iscellany} 21:05:23 07jpeg02 * 0.4-a0-2292-ga7446c2: Some tweaking of monster pickup: * Summoned friends may not pick up anything (I feel that allowing players to waste time trying to equip temporary allies would be a bad decision). * Friendly monsters won't pick up gold or miscellany. * Daevas won't switch away from their blessed blades, nor Sigmund from his scythe, seeing how they're signature weapons and all. * Monsters already wielding a two-hander or dual-wielding won't pick up (and equip) shields. * Monsters capable of wielding two weapons won't replace (one of) them with a two-hander. 10(7 years ago, 1 file, 43+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7446c2bdae2 21:05:28 . . . 21:05:31 <|amethyst> svn! 21:06:49 DCSS HAD AKIMBO?! 21:07:46 * Summoned friends may not pick up anything 21:07:48 but why 21:09:01 <|amethyst> fortunately it says why right there in the subject :) 21:09:14 it doesn't, really 21:09:21 just talks about *feelings* 21:09:38 <|amethyst> jpeg's feelings are The Law 21:10:07 1learn add jpeg 21:11:39 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:43 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:37 %git :/random_pick_entry 21:12:38 Could not find commit :/random_pick_entry (git returned 128) 21:12:48 hm 21:12:58 ? 21:14:06 was wondering if it had been removed 21:14:09 but I just hadn't included the .h 21:15:40 -!- eliana has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:28 . 21:16:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:17:02 hm 21:17:08 mh? 21:17:24 Grunt: had you implemented marking hated mercenaries as red in shops? I guess that would never occur if merc shops were gozag only 21:17:30 hm 21:17:33 I don't think so 21:17:38 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:18:34 hrm, considering the ever-contraversial merc shop, are we? 21:19:10 I'm rebasing it on a whim 21:20:32 !rebase the whim 21:20:32 Grunt rebases the whim. The whim is banished to the reflog! 21:20:39 hrm 21:20:46 wish wheals was here 21:20:51 not sure if shop items are still in mitm 21:21:04 oh, uh 21:21:21 I might need to look at that at some point, since that would probably mess up objstat pre good 21:22:28 -!- wop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:22:29 actually, shop counting would be cool as well 21:23:05 03Grunt02 {PleasingFungus} 07[merc-shops] * 0.16-a0-3193-g3ac4056: Mercenary shops. 10(10 months ago, 11 files, 206+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ac405611814 21:23:29 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:37 ! 21:23:46 compiles, didn't test if it runs, sorry 21:23:56 oh 21:23:58 it doesn't 21:24:00 oops 21:24:00 . 21:24:03 sorry 21:24:05 !blame PleasingFungus 21:24:06 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 21:24:21 * PleasingFungus_ shrugs. 21:24:25 wait 21:24:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:24:42 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as pleasingfungus 21:24:52 !blame pleasingfungus 21:24:52 I pronounce pleasingfungus... Guilty! 21:25:03 left myself open for that one 21:25:03 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:06 heh 21:25:07 ooh merc shops. time for thieves den portal 21:25:09 -!- pleasingfungus is now known as PleasingFungus 21:25:15 hm 21:25:20 nrook had a funny idea the other day 21:26:14 hex/tmut: target a creature that has one or more dispellable effects on it & glowsplode them, causing an explosion and/or malmutation. can target the player for Extreme Desperation Cancellation Plays 21:26:16 -!- gammafunk is now known as Pleas1ngFungus 21:26:25 -!- Pleas1ngFungus is now known as gammafun1 21:26:32 -!- PleasingFungus is now known as gammafun2 21:26:36 twice as fun 21:26:39 -!- gammafun2 is now known as PleasingFungus 21:26:40 dang 21:26:46 gammafunk evaporates and reforms as a shadow demon! 21:26:54 sounds 21:26:55 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gamafunk 21:26:56 shady 21:27:01 he's beene 21:27:04 overshadowed. 21:28:41 I don't thing a cancelation spell for the player is a good idea, at least 21:28:55 !send gamafunk purple drac breath 21:28:55 Sending purple drac breath to gamafunk. 21:29:04 can they target themselves? 21:29:07 hm 21:29:09 good question 21:29:11 I hope not 21:29:11 I don't think so 21:29:12 a cancellation spell that causes malmutation? 21:29:14 idk 21:29:32 !malmutate PleasingFungus 21:29:51 it doesn't make a lot of sense really, there's !cancelation, and if you don't have that, it's probably better that you just suffer the mallus effect 21:30:16 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:33:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:34:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:36:58 well, I'm not committed to letting it target yourself. 21:37:04 that's not core, I just thought it was cute. 21:37:33 ??centuryplayers 21:37:34 centuryplayers: 78291, Bart, Basil, bmfx, clouded, crate, DrKe, ebarrett, elliptic, HilariousDeathArtist, hyperbolic, hyperelliptic, jeanjacques, johnnyzero, magistern, MarvinPA, mikee, minmay, MorganLeah, MrPlanck, nago, ophanim, Pac, pivotal, Sar, simm, Sphara, Stabwound, Surr, Tolias, Wahaha, WalkerBoh, Yermak 21:37:43 I assume that's 100 wins? 21:37:49 ya 21:37:57 wow I'm actually somewhat close to it 21:38:18 well 21:38:20 it's 100 wins and 21:38:21 greaterplayer 21:38:23 i i r c 21:39:00 oh then RIP 21:39:04 !cmd update-centuryplayers 21:39:04 Command: !update-centuryplayers => !nick centuryplayers $(!lg * won s=name o=-name title:"" join:" " format:"${.}" ?:N>=100) 21:39:12 it's actually just 100 wins 21:39:14 whew 21:39:20 . . . 21:41:07 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:43:17 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:11 ahabkang (L22 TrMo) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Vaults:2) 21:46:25 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21:50:44 * gamafunk gestures. The wide-angle disintegration beam hits Grunt! Grunt is destroyed. 21:51:37 * Grunt calls down the wrath of NO GOD against gammafunk. 21:52:02 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:52:51 -!- gamafunk is now known as gammafunk 21:55:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:57:13 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:02:36 HilariousDeathArtist (L17 OpIE) ASSERT(in_bounds(mon->target) || (mon->target).origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 1429 failed. (mon->target = (67,0)) (Spider:5) 22:02:44 oop 22:02:47 s+ 22:02:54 !crashlog 22:02:55 10564. HilariousDeathArtist, XL17 OpIE, T:50427 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/crash-HilariousDeathArtist-20141217-040227.txt 22:03:52 mon->target = (67,0) 22:03:53 h m 22:04:38 HilariousDeathArtist (L17 OpIE) ASSERT(in_bounds(mon->target) || (mon->target).origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 1429 failed. (mon->target = (51,69)) (Spider:5) 22:04:44 . . . . . . . 22:05:31 what is he, some kind of 22:05:33 !glasses 22:05:33 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:05:38 HilariousCrashArtist?! 22:05:55 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 22:07:48 HilariousDeathArtist (L17 OpIE) ASSERT(in_bounds(mon->target) || (mon->target).origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 1429 failed. (mon->target = (79,20)) (Spider:5) 22:08:03 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22:08:37 !crashlog HilariousDeathArtist 22:08:37 35. HilariousDeathArtist, XL17 OpIE, T:50205 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/crash-HilariousDeathArtist-20141217-040740.txt 22:08:44 -!- HDA has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:02 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:25 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:45 -!- Ironvine has quit [Client Quit] 22:14:10 -!- Ironvine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:59 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 22:15:08 -!- Ironvine has quit [Client Quit] 22:15:17 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:17:03 just let HDA do spider:5 in perpetuity 22:17:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:22 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:21:22 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:24:48 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:12 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:46 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:46 The build was fixed. (master - 1b05c8e #1161 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/44287760 22:25:46 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:28:12 -!- eb_ has quit [] 22:28:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:01 !blame PleasingFungus 22:29:01 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:29:01 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 22:31:10 !blame travis 22:31:10 I pronounce travis... Guilty! 22:32:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:21 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:37:20 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:39:25 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:40:15 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:01 The build has errored. (merc-shops - 3ac4056 #1161 : Steve Melenchuk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/44287759 22:41:01 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:41:07 !blame PleasingFungus_ 22:41:07 I pronounce PleasingFungus_... Guilty! 22:41:17 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:34 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:26 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:30 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:43:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:43:58 -!- Deviljho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:44:18 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:29 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:37 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:52:44 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:54:27 !function AuxConstrict 22:54:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l970 22:54:37 -!- FatShack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:55:39 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:57:30 -!- FatShack has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:41 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:58:04 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:58:23 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:27 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:59:56 !tell PleasingFungus Peruse http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Monsoon/Monsoon.txt for your amusement at some point if you haven't already (should be OpMo^Makky) 22:59:56 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 23:00:22 <3 23:01:31 -!- Kite has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:01:45 what is that 23:02:32 it's the result of a PleasingFungus bug 23:02:45 the final form of the PleasingFungus bug, if you will 23:03:00 lol how long did he keep the game running for? 23:04:07 20hrs huh 23:04:17 -!- Alark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:05:59 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3193-g7f0752a: Mention another flag in ctags.txt 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f0752a6aeea 23:06:14 yeah at that point you'd only die to hellion island or smite spam 23:06:47 ...at that point you've probably already seen hellion island 23:11:06 Shallow water appeared as a wall tile in swamp. Also possible issue with gyre and gimble tile and shallow water. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9337 by Xentronium 23:13:47 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:15:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3194-g9356553: Another useful ctags option. 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=935655307cf0 23:15:39 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:17:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17:37 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:20 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Monsoon_OpMoMakhEpicBug.txt more permanent link 23:22:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:22:52 -!- Blomdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:22:53 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:55 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3192-g4847bf6 (34) 23:26:15 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:29:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:32:47 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:35:58 -!- t_ has quit [Client Quit] 23:39:05 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:33 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:43 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:51:57 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 23:54:57 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:50 Grunt: oh, heh 23:57:50 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:57:56 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:14 was wondering if that was a cigotuvi's thing 23:58:16 !lm monsoon 23:58:17 3954. [2014-12-17 05:36:36] Monsoon the Octopus of Death (L27 OpMo of Makhleb) left a Ziggurat at level 27 on turn 100473. (Zig:27) 23:58:21 !lm monsoon x=vlong 23:58:21 3954. [2014-12-17 05:36:36] [vlong=0.16-a0-1815-gfde0ed1] Monsoon the Octopus of Death (L27 OpMo of Makhleb) left a Ziggurat at level 27 on turn 100473. (Zig:27) 23:58:27 %git 23:58:27 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3194-g9356553: Another useful ctags option. 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=935655307cf0 23:58:39 er, that was @ gammafunk 23:58:47 someone *could* upgrade his save. 23:59:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]