00:02:53 %git 41769a946c0d74844f953cd4858c06c4a41f7a41 00:02:53 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-2095-g41769a9: Add chequers to the mailmap and remove Grunt's !glasses 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41769a946c0d 00:03:02 huh 00:03:25 %git 6c1fd36744790a304acb6e712b48b8ba5d8a41eb 00:03:25 07reaverb02 * 0.16-a0-2025-g6c1fd36: Clarify some logic (makeitem.cc) 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 14+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c1fd3674479 00:07:25 PleasingFungus: ? 00:07:34 was looking for examples of lambda 00:07:39 Ah. 00:08:02 (Don't use 6c1f the next commit reverted it :D) 00:09:05 pfeh 00:09:16 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:58 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2181-g738d42f (34) 00:12:13 PleasingFungus: I never would have realized the constrict + rod of inaccuracy tech without your ev bars 00:12:23 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:26 N78291: <3 00:12:31 lol, that's hilarius. 00:12:35 like 00:12:39 s/hilarius/hilarious/ 00:12:42 half the reason those bars are useful is for inacc. 00:15:49 man 00:15:52 lambdas are nice to have. 00:18:49 Yeah, lambdas are cool. 00:22:08 I never learned about lambdas 00:22:14 but heard they were swell 00:22:29 lambdas are like cute little baby functions. 00:22:31 functionettes. 00:22:34 how do I search for the last commit about bog bodies? 00:22:42 %git :/bog god 00:22:42 Could not find commit :/bog god (git returned 128) 00:22:46 %git :/bog bod 00:22:47 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-790-g87e6644: Don't make bog bodies randomly rot 10(6 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87e664445b5a 00:22:55 %git :/[Bb]og [Bb]od 00:22:55 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-790-g87e6644: Don't make bog bodies randomly rot 10(6 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87e664445b5a 00:22:55 cool thanks 00:23:01 just to be safe :) 00:23:15 you can also go onto the website (click one of those links) and search in the top-right 00:23:22 be warned it takes a little bit 00:24:17 oh god this is amazing 00:24:28 PleasingFungus: what? 00:24:36 so, jiyva's response to DID_ATTACK_NEUTRAL (if the neutral is a slime that's not a shapeshifter) 00:24:42 is to give you (-level/2 + 3) piety 00:24:47 and level/2 + 3 penance 00:25:08 How high does level go? 00:25:14 I have a data-based system that scales linearly off level, with no support for constant offsets. 00:25:25 I can only express X * level penance/piety. 00:25:28 so this is a problem for me, right? 00:25:34 Just fudge it. 00:25:38 well 00:25:42 there's good news 00:25:48 DID_ATTACK_NEUTRAL appears in exactly one place 00:25:55 and the level is always the same 00:25:55 Nobody cares exactly how much piety you lose to attacking a neutral slime. 00:25:56 5 00:26:01 ....which means that the piety and penance 00:26:06 are also always (5/2 + 3) 00:26:06 So you actually gain piety. 00:26:14 no, the sign is right, sorry 00:26:22 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26:24 but anyway 00:26:30 (level/2 + 3) == level 00:26:31 it actually means just -level 00:26:32 ya 00:26:40 I love crawlcode. 00:28:32 huh. zin doesn't give penance for attacking neutrals, only subtracts piety. 00:28:42 I saw that and was ??? too. 00:28:50 I'd just make it give penance for zin too. 00:28:57 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 00:28:57 honestly I'm just gonna remove it entirely 00:28:59 for zin 00:29:07 Also fine. 00:29:13 :D 00:29:43 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 00:30:12 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:18 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:18 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#418 (master - 875dba5 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 00:30:18 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/e11ddac0687f...875dba5be20e 00:30:18 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40949300 00:30:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:31:36 Just something I'm working on: What do you think about berserkitis trigger off low hp instead of attacking something in melee? Triggering off melee is crippling. 00:31:51 triggering off low hp is a hell of a lot more cripplign 00:31:58 this is like the third time we've talked about this 00:32:09 idk. do we want to make berserkitis a much scarier badmut? 00:32:12 "ASSERT(colour) in 'items.cc' at line 3826 failed." 00:32:14 PleasingFungus: Really? I must have a poor memory. 00:32:17 i assume this is worth filing a report 00:32:20 read: ya 00:32:21 happened twice now 00:32:23 mk 00:32:24 read: online or off? 00:32:25 what's the plan with brand reform 00:32:26 offline 00:32:31 i'll append my save 00:32:33 read: what version are you on? 00:32:36 Lightli: ? 00:32:37 uhhh 00:32:40 sec 00:32:50 that brand reform branch 00:32:53 oh 00:32:54 0.16-a0-2013-g7bab9e9 00:32:57 purely technical changes 00:32:59 oh 00:32:59 %git 00:32:59 07reaverb02 * 0.16-a0-2181-g738d42f: Simplify noise in melee attacks 10(2 hours ago, 6 files, 17+ 164-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=738d42f369f7 00:33:01 er, 2037 00:33:05 you are mega behind 00:33:07 imo update 00:33:09 k 00:33:21 is the 3rd number the commit number or something 00:33:25 Yeah. 00:33:34 commits since the last release tag 00:33:47 so we've made 2181 commits in master since releasing 0.15 00:33:47 Yes, ^ 00:33:52 oh right, I was going to update but cdo was down. 00:33:54 and is down again. 00:34:04 is cdo offline? 00:34:05 7 minutes, 40 seconds since last activity (cdo) 00:34:24 i'll do it later and see if i get the same bug. 00:34:31 ok 00:34:38 we had a bunch of crash bugs but I think they should be fixed now 00:34:40 re colour stuff 00:34:42 m fault 00:34:44 *my 00:34:46 ah alright. 00:38:29 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:40:11 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:41:28 ugh I almost have high res fonting workkng but not quite, and it is time for sleeeeeeep 00:41:31 rip 00:42:10 sleep is like death. 00:43:06 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:49 huh for some reason this crashes when I get gold 00:46:41 that seems bad 00:49:00 yes 00:50:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:51:11 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:56:32 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:35 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:02:28 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:33 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:33 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#419 (master - 6869b89 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build was fixed. 01:02:33 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/875dba5be20e...6869b89feda9 01:02:33 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40950923 01:02:33 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:08:44 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:10:22 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:11:44 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:13:08 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:59 ??lifesaving 01:23:59 lifesaving ~ life saving[1/1]: The good and priestly gods will occasionally negate any single occurance of HP loss that would otherwise be fatal. In extremely old (<= 0.2) versions, Oka would also. Odds are pretty good, but without healing they don't matter much. For devotees of Elyvilon, requesting {divine protection} will significantly increase the chances, possibly guarantee. 01:28:21 PleasingFungus: did you know that in order to prevent people using kiku corpses for powered by death regen, powered by death ignores corpses with NEVER_HIDE_KEY 01:28:22 doesnt divine prot straight up guarantee it 01:28:39 PleasingFungus: this also means that if you polymorph a monster into a dragon and kill it the corpse wont work with pbd 01:29:16 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:55 minmay: uh 01:29:57 uhhh 01:30:10 that is... huh. 01:30:15 its a thing 01:30:38 someone should probably fix that 01:30:52 (by giving kiku corpses another key, and making pbd check that) 01:31:10 DrKe: iirc it guarantees it when you're at 6* or something like that? 01:31:16 it's some weird breakpoint 01:32:10 PleasingFungus: iirc it -used- to be a weird breakpoint but now it is 160 01:32:15 well it's also kinda weird IMO that a dragon corpse only gives you a hide if it's the kind of dragon corpse the devs like 01:32:17 ...or maybe 130? 01:32:30 with nothing to indicate this to the player 01:32:52 Yeah I've used recharging scrolls to fill up polymorph just trying to get steam/mottled hide 01:32:57 when whoever it was went through and nudged stuff around to fit the * breakpoints i belive divine prot got nudges with it 01:33:17 euch i can't type tonight 01:33:20 you could add something to the description of NEVER_HIDE dragon corpses (I want to add a mention of the hide thing to them, anyway...), but that probably still wouldn't be that great 01:33:26 since it's not obvious 01:33:27 oh 01:33:30 actually, I should fix something 01:33:32 ty for reminding me 01:34:26 weird idea: polymorphed monsters leave their original corpse on death 01:34:29 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:29 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#420 (sdl2 - 18fd50e : Steve Melenchuk): The build failed. 01:34:29 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/2de07e9ee138...18fd50e8c201 01:34:29 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40951139 01:34:29 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:34:52 minmay: that seems like it's probably the right solution 01:35:02 idk how difficult it would be to implement 01:35:16 seems like the sort of a thing that could be messy 01:35:22 (from a player perspective, it's what shapeshifters do already) 01:35:26 ya 01:35:55 oh 01:36:02 did you know that there's special behavior for when 01:36:07 as a yredremnulite 01:36:13 one of your undead, when confused, kills a nonliving being 01:36:19 (MH_NONLIVING) 01:36:21 minmay that is a good idea 01:36:59 also matches prince ribbit 01:37:40 normally you get piety for undead servants killing nonliving beings. however, if your undead are confused, you do not get piety 01:37:48 this took work to implement. this was special cased. 01:38:20 PleasingFungus: realism 01:38:21 at this point I just assume that, at some point, someone on the dev team *really* hated yred. 01:38:29 because what the hell 01:38:32 yeah, i've looked at the piety for kills code 01:38:38 i like how it's completely different for every different god 01:38:45 I'm rewriting it now 01:38:49 which is why this comes up 01:38:55 and how the ally gods punish you for using your allies 01:38:58 imo just make all gods use piety-on-explore 01:39:04 Can all gods just give full piety for ally kills? 01:39:09 probalby 01:39:10 it's vastly better than all the other ones 01:39:14 but I'm not implementing that tonight 01:39:14 The way it works now you get full piety for last hitting stuff 01:39:28 you don't. 01:39:33 that is factually incorrect. 01:39:41 So the piety is divided by damage or what? 01:39:44 yes. 01:39:45 crawlTV_: iirc you also get full piety if you're with yred or kiku and your ally kills a holy monster 01:39:54 If you're with vehumet and you last hit something 01:40:04 you get piety, if your summons kill something there is no piety message 01:40:30 ditto okawaru I think 01:41:11 I think in general dividing experience/piety by damage encourages metagame behaviour. 01:41:18 Not as bad as last hitting though 01:41:23 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:41:37 Like "oh, I better not use summons to kill these popcorn monsters so I get full rewards" 01:41:51 yeah, monsters giving full xp/piety regardless of how they died seems to be good in every way to me 01:43:20 ya probably. 01:47:21 possibly this refactoring will make it simpler to implement changes 01:47:27 would be hard to make it worse 01:49:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:51 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:32 -!- crawlTV_ is now known as crawlTV 02:04:52 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 02:09:29 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:30 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#421 (sdl2 - 40324b5 : Steve Melenchuk): The build failed. 02:09:30 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/18fd50e8c201...40324b56ee7b 02:09:30 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40951680 02:09:30 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:12:57 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:57 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21:52 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:56 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2181-g738d42f (34) 02:24:35 why is there code specifically so that dith doesn't give piety for killing shadow dragons 02:24:39 that's the stupidest thing 02:24:49 they aren't literally shadows. 02:24:52 they aren't even very shadowy. 02:24:53 fr dith wrath includes shadow dragons 02:25:37 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:10 ...wasn't the handling of the whole horn of geryon thing supposed to be the gates open when he dies 02:26:17 -!- Irrlicht has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:26:36 teleported and a gate was already open in the vestibule 02:27:10 you don't have to kill him these days 02:27:17 I think it was changed sometime after the other horn thing 02:27:20 idk I'm very tired. 02:28:21 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:16 sleep is for the weak? 02:29:30 im weak 02:29:32 :( 02:30:39 is there something you're finishing up or 02:31:03 more or less 02:31:07 though I'm not gonna finish tonight 02:31:12 but I can't stop... 02:33:01 crawl is a horrible parasite. 02:33:12 r i p 02:33:45 pfffffff. 02:33:51 death is freedom from it. 02:34:03 now, how did geryon even get a wand of frost here 02:36:59 er. hm. this is odd. 02:37:19 does trog really not care about killing undead? 02:38:20 huh. yeah, he doesn't care at all. 02:38:21 weird. 02:39:01 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:43:14 switch/case is down to 500 lines, btw 02:45:56 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:56 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#422 (sdl2 - adf8b1b : Steve Melenchuk): The build failed. 02:45:56 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/40324b56ee7b...adf8b1b7d142 02:45:56 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40951948 02:45:56 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:48:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141108030205]] 02:54:16 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:54:37 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 02:55:57 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:03:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:03:21 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:06 Only fresh blood for Trog.. 03:18:43 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:43 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#423 (sdl2 - 999b2b4 : Steve Melenchuk): The build has errored. 03:18:43 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/adf8b1b7d142...999b2b431919 03:18:43 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40952771 03:18:43 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 03:19:54 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:21:49 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:24:25 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:25:52 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:33:19 -!- Naubita has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:07 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:38:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:54 -!- Naubita has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:47:09 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:47:35 Hmm. I'm looking at tutorial4 heavy_armour, where you're advised to put armour on, inspect your spells for changed success rates, and take the armour off. 03:48:19 This is relatively complex for a tutorial bit (usually you're instructed to do one thing), here's three things and you're actually supposed to look at the rates first, then put on, look again, then take off. 03:48:26 Or, put on, inspect, take off, inspect again. 03:49:54 Anyway, maybe this is just an indication that the interface itself is complex: maybe the "normal" (no armour/wizardry) spell success rate could be always shown? As in 50% (75%), current first and normal in parenthesis. 03:51:34 ..I mean the failure rate. 03:55:14 -!- Naubita has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:58:34 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:34 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#424 (master - 5ba7884 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 03:58:34 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/6869b89feda9...5ba78840f17e 03:58:34 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40953096 03:58:34 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 04:05:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:06:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:13:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:16:50 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 04:26:45 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:28:13 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:34:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:04 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#425 (master - 05ef143 : theTower): The build has errored. 04:34:04 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/5ba78840f17e...05ef1431e6a9 04:34:04 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40954650 04:34:04 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 04:51:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:00 -!- penciltax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 05:00:15 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:22 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 05:05:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:25 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#426 (sdl2 - c11cffe : Steve Melenchuk): The build failed. 05:05:25 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/999b2b431919...c11cffec0849 05:05:25 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40956069 05:05:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 05:05:41 -!- alefury has quit [] 05:07:40 -!- allbefore has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:45 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 05:19:40 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:26:24 -!- Savage has quit [Client Quit] 05:38:28 03Keskitalo02 07* 0.16-a0-2182-g4d067f6: Tutorial & hints: spell success rate -> spell failure rate. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d067f620594 05:44:32 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:10 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:51:55 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:53:09 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:56:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:06:49 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:49 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#428 (shp - e5e5d42 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 06:06:49 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/commit/e5e5d429d624 06:06:49 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40959934 06:06:49 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 06:24:16 -!- Big_guy has quit [] 06:25:12 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 06:26:29 -!- fs_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:30:22 -!- bullock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:32:54 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36:35 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:11 -!- bullock_ is now known as bullock 06:39:23 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45:18 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:18 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#428 (master - 36bbffb : theTower): The build has errored. 06:45:18 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/05ef1431e6a9...36bbffbb1d73 06:45:18 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40959951 06:45:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 06:46:36 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:51:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:44 Gelos (L16 MiFi) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Spider:2) 07:00:53 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:12 !messages 07:02:12 No messages for TZer0. 07:02:19 Mh, we might get CLAN up again 07:02:21 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:02:23 like.. very soonish 07:09:41 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2183-g04c636f: Remove an unused parameter from discover_mimic. 10(7 minutes ago, 6 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04c636ffea45 07:09:41 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2184-gce8611a: Don't discover mimics using Ash/antennae detection. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce8611a79379 07:09:43 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:27 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:13:31 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:22 Webtiles server started. 07:16:28 look who joined the channel :3 07:17:25 !isonline clan 07:17:26 29 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, 17 seconds since last activity (clan) 07:17:33 hahaha 07:17:33 might as well make it a full month 07:17:53 yeah, the problems cropped up at the perfect time 07:18:15 Aleksi was bogged down with correcting exams 07:18:59 anyway, we're going to move everything over to my Hetzner-user during the weekend 07:20:27 -!- CcS has quit [] 07:27:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:29:47 ??CLAN 07:29:48 clan[1/3]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/ or crawl.lantea.net, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.14 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 07:29:52 ??CLAN[2 07:29:52 clan[2/3]: Hosted by Aleksi, maintained by TZer0 07:29:54 ??CLAN[3 07:29:54 clan[3/3]: Rebuilds trunk at 00:00-GMT+1 and 0.15 at 20:00-GMT+1. 07:34:22 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-2184-gce8611a (34) 07:42:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:43:18 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:08 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:46:10 Webtiles server stopped. 07:46:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 07:46:45 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47:17 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:47:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:21 -!- tcsc has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:17 -!- tcsc has quit [Client Quit] 07:50:23 bleeeh. 07:51:41 Damn, it is incorrectly configured 07:51:44 not good. 07:52:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:59 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:59 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#430 (master - 73ec089 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 07:52:59 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/b1e1a3503693...73ec0897ded2 07:52:59 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40960207 07:52:59 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 07:54:03 and I need to take down CLAN.. again 07:54:16 because the storage-volume is read-only for some reason 07:54:18 :( 07:54:35 like, the system drive is fine 07:55:38 anyway, fix should be here in 2-3 hours 08:00:25 I'm trying to set up a private crawl server with dgamelaunch - currently it boots crawl fine on login and that's all good and well but milestones & logfiles are per-user rather than aggregated across all users, is there a particular thing one needs to do to get that data aggregated/written to one location? 08:01:26 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:04 Keskitalo: that could be a very good idea; another thing people have suggested is virtually wearing an item to see what its effect on spc would be 08:08:20 !source mon-death.cc 08:08:20 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-death.cc;hb=HEAD 08:11:49 !tell pleasingfungus i've looked pretty carefully at the code and i don't know where you're getting that last-hitting doesn't give you more piety 08:11:49 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:13:58 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:14:15 also wtf, why do gods give you less piety for higher HD monsters 08:16:30 That sounds broken 08:16:30 Lasty_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:17:11 <|amethyst> wheals: huh? 08:17:30 oh i'm dumb 08:17:43 the level is in both piety_denom and piety_change 08:17:45 <|amethyst> oh, you saw piety_denom but didn't see that 08:17:46 <|amethyst> yeah 08:18:03 !tell chrisoelmueller Cryptic. 08:18:03 Lasty_: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 08:18:41 <|amethyst> broquaint: for the servers we build with SAVEDIR=... DATADIR=... SHAREDDIR=... 08:18:42 i still don't see the point of it 08:20:05 <|amethyst> broquaint: also USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y but since you have milestones I imagine you're doing that 08:20:25 Tedronai brought up something about monster threat level -- it's currently based on species-aptitude-based XP to next level compared with monster XP value, and sometimes that means under- or over-valuing threats. For example, on a VS, a shrike stops being red at XL 21, and for a human it would be later, for a demigod, earlier. 08:21:04 there are two possible issues there: 1) having it vary by species XP apt can make some species under/overrate threats, and 2) some monsters are more threatening than their XP value should indicate, especially pack monsters. 08:21:21 <|amethyst> broquaint: all saves (for a given version) go to the same place; SHAREDDIR is more or less the same, except all trunk versions share the same SHAREDDIR (it's used for bones files among other things), whereas each update has its own SAVEDIR (to allow players to decline transferring to a newer version) 08:21:28 I was thinking it might make sense to stop considering species XP apt, and to add a "monster threat multiplier" field 08:21:36 to allow more fine-tuning of threat 08:21:43 Thoughts? 08:22:11 if it's more threatening it should probably have more xp 08:22:15 <|amethyst> how would the monster threat multiplier differ from the monster XP multiplier? 08:22:22 pack monsters 08:22:37 bee? bee. bees? beeeeeeeeeeeeeeees. 08:22:51 |amethyst: it would allow you to make something more threatening than its XP value. It has most application for pack monsters, but it could also be useful for other monsters. 08:22:51 <|amethyst> so a yak is listed as more threatening than a monster that is exactly the same but doesn't come in packs? 08:22:58 <|amethyst> even if there is just one yak? 08:23:26 More particularly, I think the XP value for shrikes is probably fine, but they get moved out of the "threat" category too soon, IMO 08:23:34 er, the _NASTY category 08:23:39 well in that case I highly recommend you give caustic bees a lot more exp 08:23:47 i think you are overrating their danger 08:23:54 wheals: perhaps so 08:24:31 I mean, it's true that deaths to shrikes have been trickling in. I just want to make sure that players are adequately warned about the danger level. 08:24:39 i guess yellow is just so broad 08:24:45 yeah 08:24:45 i see where you're coming from 08:24:55 Shrikes should def be lightred 08:25:06 not a category currently . . . 08:25:11 or do you mean the icon? 08:25:46 In my game they always show up as lightred in the monster window 08:25:50 Oh, I see what you mean 08:25:57 that is related to threat level, right? 08:25:58 yeah, there's just three levels, white, yellow, lightred 08:26:17 I thought you were drawing a distinction between lightred and red -- sorry 08:27:25 also darkgrey 08:27:48 for friendly? 08:28:02 |amethyst: Great, thanks! 08:28:18 "popcorn" 08:28:18 And yeah built with USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y. 08:28:20 darkgrey for trivial monsters 08:28:36 oh, right 08:28:38 I forgot that one 08:30:34 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:32:17 -!- Irrlicht has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:34:25 -!- Raccoon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:45:23 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:47:57 -!- halv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:50 -!- ketsa has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:04:37 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:17 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 09:11:07 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:12:22 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:38 who came up with the idea of god wrath being miscasts anyway 09:15:27 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18:16 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 09:18:48 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:35 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:23:17 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:30:47 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:30 !crashlog yee 09:31:31 1. yee, XL13 GrFE, T:26854 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/yee/crash-yee-20141114-051834.txt 09:32:16 needs more gdb 09:33:09 <|amethyst> !crashlog * cao -1 09:33:11 3355. Gelos, XL16 MiFi, T:29285 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Gelos/crash-Gelos-20141114-125543.txt 09:33:12 <|amethyst> !crashlog * cao -2 09:33:14 3354. yee, XL13 GrFE, T:26854 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/yee/crash-yee-20141114-051834.txt 09:33:59 your favorite crash! 09:34:14 <|amethyst> hrm 09:34:20 <|amethyst> I don't see a core 09:35:05 <|amethyst> The last 0.15 core on CAO is Nov 5 09:36:07 <|amethyst> _choose_mem_spell 09:37:17 <|amethyst> somehow spell_menu.show() returned a vector with more than one entry 09:37:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:17 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#432 (domino - d31656b : Brendan Hickey): The build was broken. 09:37:17 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/c4f5f8908f23...d31656bb52c4 09:37:17 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40963430 09:37:17 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 09:37:30 <|amethyst> err 09:37:36 <|amethyst> possibly with 0 entries 09:37:42 <|amethyst> but it's MF_SINGLESELECT 09:37:52 <|amethyst> ah, no, 0 entries would have returned 09:38:03 <|amethyst> so somehow the single-select menu selected multiple things? 09:38:03 bh: broken!!!!! 09:38:46 <|amethyst> they just forgot fcloud and memorised swiftness 09:39:04 <|amethyst> I imagine they went back into the memorisation screen, given that they got a confirmation for that one 09:39:32 <|amethyst> last messages (that got flushed anyway) are You finish memorising. Spell assigned to 'e'. 09:39:35 <|amethyst> Okay, then. 09:41:38 oh man 09:41:46 qw got totally confused by chokoban 09:42:43 Are you telling me qw failed to look up the spoilers to solve the puzzle? :D 09:45:27 is it ok if a miscast explosion hitting an ally doesn't piss off gods? 09:48:27 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49:03 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:30 |amethyst: how can I force reinstall of the current trunk-version on my server? 09:49:42 <|amethyst> TZer0: even though it's already installed? 09:49:50 it is installed according to the database 09:49:55 but the files are not placed there 09:50:02 because the file systems were borked. 09:50:11 as in, one was rw, the other was ro 09:50:34 I mean, it could be fixed by pushing a single commit to the repo changing a single line of code 09:50:38 but I feel that's kind of nasty :P 09:51:19 <|amethyst> %git 09:51:19 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-2184-gce8611a: Don't discover mimics using Ash/antennae detection. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce8611a79379 09:51:27 you could temporarily comment out the line in the build 09:51:40 script that checks for the latest version 09:51:42 <|amethyst> TZer0: sqlite3 $CHROOT/crawl-versions.db3 09:51:52 or that 09:52:08 <|amethyst> TZer0: then delete from versions where description = "0.16-a0-2184-gce8611a"; 09:52:12 <|amethyst> err 09:52:15 <|amethyst> single quotes rather 09:53:00 <|amethyst> oh, I guess sqlite3 supports using double-quotes there like mysql does, so either works 09:53:26 okay, it is running. 09:53:39 I'll boot up webtiles once it is done 09:53:41 thanks 09:53:46 brb 09:53:50 <|amethyst> not sure if any of the install procedure will flake out because stuff is already there 09:54:00 <|amethyst> so check the rebuild log 09:55:42 I set up DBRO to never check for versions. it always just rebuilds and installs 09:56:06 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:56:06 since I connected out the lines that check the versions 09:58:22 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:51 Regarding the no-backtracking god, I'm pondering what aspect of the conduct is most interesting: preventing backtracking itself, or preventing stair-dancing. The latter has way more possible ways to execute the conduct, while for the former I like the idea of saying you simply cannot go up stairs and when you're at the bottom of a branch and there's no uncollected rune, you can warp to the top of a branch you haven't been to yet. For Orc/Tomb/weird di 10:01:54 -!- Forteskeleton_ is now known as Fortescue 10:03:56 -!- _D_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:26 neat idea. basically a god ability to warp to the branch stairs 10:05:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:51 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:36 wheals: iirc the last time this discussion came up, we agreed that last-hitting didn't give more piety 10:07:36 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:07:38 or maybe it was xp 10:07:39 idk. 10:07:45 xp definitely 10:07:51 maybe I was confusing those 10:07:54 also, I kind of liked the ash/antennae thing 10:07:57 last-hitting giving more piety is (part of) the problem 10:08:00 ha ha! take that, mimics! you can't fool me! 10:08:13 I'm pretty sure it goes give me piety atm 10:08:20 clearly ash is in league with the mimics 10:08:51 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:54 IMO the only real question that we need to answer before someone removes last-hitting for piety is whether we should be prorating piety like we do XP or just give full piety. 10:09:11 Lasty_: a reasonable argument is that we should be prorating neither. 10:09:47 Okay, things are now hopefully stable 10:10:01 there will be downtime next week when the broken disk is exchanged 10:10:07 well, you certainly get no piety if your ally (this is with oka) kills a thing you got to almost dead 10:10:14 crawl is currently running from a non-broken disk. 10:10:28 <|amethyst> TZer0: downtime to exchange a disk? 10:10:31 so even if the other way works fine, that's still a problem IMO 10:10:43 <|amethyst> TZer0: do they just stick desktop machines in their racks or something? 10:10:52 |amethyst: ... point 10:10:55 hopefully not then 10:10:57 :P 10:11:19 Gelos (L25 MiFi) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 5960: unknown shop type 43083552 (Depths:5) 10:11:40 Gelos (L25 MiFi) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 5960: unknown shop type 26061392 (Depths:5) 10:12:17 !tell chrisoelmueller well compilation is working for me now so i'll take a look at those patches 10:12:17 wheals: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 10:13:12 <|amethyst> TZer0: I think CSZO actually *is* a desktop machine sitting on a rack shelf 10:13:20 <|amethyst> TZer0: dmidecode says so in fact: 10:13:25 <|amethyst> Chassis Information Manufacturer: Supermicro Type: Desktop 10:13:32 <|amethyst> Number Of Power Cords: 1 10:13:34 lol 10:13:46 ! 10:13:58 <|amethyst> it is a xeon at least 10:14:08 man, I should not have stayed up that late last night. 10:14:14 hey, |amethyst, want to see a cool thing 10:14:18 <|amethyst> ? 10:14:22 well. okay. there is nothing about this that is 'cool'. 10:14:27 it is geeky to the highest level. 10:14:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:02 <|amethyst> I hear that now geekiness has gone so far it's overflowed back to cool 10:15:12 !!! 10:15:16 that sounds like something a nerd would say. 10:15:23 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:15:24 http://sprunge.us/gihN anyway here's the current state of godconduct.cc in my branch 10:15:33 probably scroll down a little bit to get to the new stuff 10:15:50 I would have provided a diff but the default one is a mess & I don't want to mess around with diff settings. 10:16:35 <|amethyst> very nice! 10:16:38 :) 10:17:07 dprf("applying penance beam"); 10:17:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2185-g4d969b0: Remove an unused function. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d969b0ce423 10:17:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2186-g1ac42fd: Fix a mistake in rebasing. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ac42fdac446 10:17:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2187-gd4d9628: Remove some unused ABFLAG_s. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4d9628818f3 10:17:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2188-g9011559: Mindexicide: MiscastEffect. 10(23 minutes ago, 17 files, 130+ 158-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9011559d3054 10:17:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2189-g912d2ff: Remove {target,source}_as_monster. 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 16+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=912d2ffc6977 10:17:17 beeeeeem? 10:17:35 clearly beem.is_beam is false 10:18:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so far all the places I've wanted to use a lambda have required captures 10:18:03 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 10:18:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and then it doesn't cast to a function pointer... 10:18:17 yeah, these are free-range, capture-free lambdas 10:18:30 <|amethyst> :) 10:18:46 they're so nice!!! 10:19:00 I honestly like them. this may be the first feature of c++ that I like. 10:19:13 they're like python lambdas, but with better syntax & with typechecking! 10:19:22 and you don't even have to specify the signature for it to do typechecking!!! 10:19:37 <|amethyst> you should learn ML some day 10:19:37 I mean, in the declaration of the lambda itself 10:19:41 !tell chrisoelmueller your patch doesn't compile!!!!!! 10:19:41 wheals: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 10:19:44 that reminds me 10:19:44 I did like six weeks of ml in college 10:19:46 ocaml 10:19:49 it was an Experience 10:20:15 95% of my time was spent figuring out why it thought my types were wrong 10:20:22 |amethyst: there's a comment in apphdr.h that we can get rid of the weird different COMPILE_CHECKs now that we require c++11 10:20:53 <|amethyst> probably yes 10:20:59 <|amethyst> they can be outside of functions now 10:21:22 it's nice to be told that it tells you that a static assertion failed rather than some stuff about __LINE__ now 10:21:23 <|amethyst> so can go with e.g. the data structure being checked rather than some nearby function that happens to use it 10:21:36 yah 10:22:03 <|amethyst> !macro COMPILE_CHECKS_NEED_FUNCTION 10:22:07 <|amethyst> !source COMPILE_CHECKS_NEED_FUNCTION 10:22:09 Couldn't find COMPILE_CHECKS_NEED_FUNCTION in the Crawl source tree 10:22:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:15 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#433 (master - 8a4d0cf : Nicholas Feinberg): The build passed. 10:22:15 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/b75b79b3b158...8a4d0cf39ab5 10:22:15 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40964478 10:22:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:22:21 !!! 10:22:21 <|amethyst> !source debug.h:29 10:22:21 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/debug.h;hb=HEAD#l29 10:22:21 PleasingFungus: FAILURE 10:22:39 ? 10:22:49 that says passed. 10:22:54 <|amethyst> so that whole if can probably go away, but try to test on both compilers first 10:23:07 travis is just trolling us again i bet 10:23:42 <|amethyst> we've been using C++11 static asserts on MSVC for a while now so that one's probably fine 10:24:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-2190-g4dbdd72: Fix typo 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4dbdd7278ae4 10:24:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-2191-g6d9fe09: Remove two levels of indentation 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 43+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d9fe0904ab3 10:24:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-2192-g88da044: Remove an unused argument 10(4 weeks ago, 3 files, 11+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88da044c6e37 10:24:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-2193-g973cab0: Reorder one shout database entry 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=973cab026435 10:24:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-2194-g289536a: Remove irritating high-pitched whines 10(9 days ago, 5 files, 2+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=289536a16123 10:26:04 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:22 By now the addition of new whiny monsters seems rather unlikely. 10:27:26 that's what you think......! 10:27:36 i was considering just making mosquitoes whine 10:27:44 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 10:27:49 what, and making the comments accurate? 10:27:56 no, no. wouldn't do. 10:28:36 i'm just disappointed that panlords couldn't make irritating high-pitched whines 10:29:27 maybe donald should have had S_WHINE 10:30:28 I like the idea of Donald making high-pitched whining noises. 10:31:07 wow 10:31:14 rude anti-donald slanders goign on, right here, right now. 10:31:18 also, going on. 10:31:44 gonging on 10:32:58 FR: donald w/ Gong 10:32:58 GONNNNG! 10:34:19 Gongald. 10:34:24 it could happen! 10:34:40 I wonder if anyone's ever found donald wearing the 10:34:40 gong 10:34:40 GONNNNG! 10:34:53 Is it possible? He can't spawn w/ it, can he? 10:35:13 I don't see why he couldn't 10:36:11 oh 10:36:16 apparently that's specifically forbidden 10:36:17 :( 10:36:29 wait no 10:36:36 come on, Gongald needs to be a thing 10:36:38 and then specifically permitted, for donald & co (uniques) 10:37:12 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:03 as I was waking up n78291's challenge of more bodyslot mutations for ds made me think of the wonderful mental image of the flesh sloughing off a face to just be a skull 10:38:17 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:38:22 dang....... 10:38:24 sadly, most of the vaguely-obvious part-undead benefits are already on other ds fascet chunks 10:38:24 but what would it mean 10:38:26 ya 10:38:33 clearly retheme them to be cooler 10:38:58 also a valid occupation, perhaps 10:39:24 hm, i think i could probably remove M_ACTUAL_SPELLS 10:39:57 did you find out what it actually does 10:40:13 (is it covered by mon-spell.h taking in sources of spells now) 10:40:30 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:11 currently it is used for save compat for old monsters, and also _maybe_ necessary for monster_infos 10:41:27 finally, a bump 10:41:40 well, it isn't necessary 10:41:51 we could just make them all wizard spells if we wanted 10:42:34 can anything go wrong with that 10:43:19 EVERYTHING 10:43:21 imo 10:43:25 instead of removing that thing 10:43:26 remove item mass 10:43:42 first i want to remove the monster mass hack 10:43:51 o 10:43:53 also acceptable 10:43:54 force lance buffs imo 10:45:48 fr force lance pins something against a wall if it'd be knocking a target into a wall 10:45:53 -!- Napkin has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:46:12 alt fr force lance gets more damage + other thing damage if the knockback is knockback into another thing?? 10:47:13 fr force lance scales with spellpower 10:48:19 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:00 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:29 Hm. What's a good way to get a MF_NO_REWARD friendly holy? 10:56:52 wizmode or in-game? 10:57:02 former 10:58:06 x~ allows force-polymorphing, apparently 10:58:24 does that cause MF_NO_REWARD...? 10:58:25 oh 10:58:31 take trj, make him spawn some guys 10:58:35 yes 11:00:52 hehe, tengu reavers have M_HYBRID 11:01:04 hooray, it works! 11:01:06 also 11:01:07 Floating point exception: 8 11:01:09 huh 11:01:09 M_BATTLEMAGE 11:01:14 M_TRAUMATURGE 11:01:50 still can't have dar battlemages until there's player discord 11:01:58 erm, player statis pfdoscprd 11:02:37 huh, sojobo does not have M_HYBRID 11:02:45 what does that flag even do 11:02:50 what does 11:02:51 - 11:02:59 you can't have a chimera of it 11:03:01 i think 11:03:17 ha 11:03:27 but. but. the chimera list is hand-curated already. 11:04:27 pleasingfungus did I ever tell you about when I was experimenting with custom chimera as bosses in lair zigs. 11:04:39 it ended up getting in a hack just for ghost moths. 11:04:39 I don't think you did! 11:05:16 wasn't happy with the results _and_ we lack the body health fodder of slugs now 11:05:22 what a shame 11:05:29 oh 11:05:35 you can assign int into bool without a warning 11:05:43 which apparently causes the game to crash if you multiply by a bool > 1 11:05:46 wtf? 11:05:51 excellent 11:06:01 I retract any positive things I was saying about c++ a moment ago 11:06:21 nvm that's not what was causing the crash. 11:06:23 hrm. 11:06:24 int into bool sounds fine, weird that it wouldn't just be treated as 1 11:06:36 yeah idk what's going on here, besides brokenness. 11:07:28 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:09:56 o I'm dumb 11:10:00 / 0 11:10:29 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:12:33 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:33 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#434 (master - 738d42f : reaverb): The build passed. 11:12:33 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/8a4d0cf39ab5...738d42f369f7 11:12:33 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40965177 11:12:33 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:15:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:19:24 -!- lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:20:22 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-2194-g289536a (34) 11:21:25 huh 11:21:26 at present 11:21:53 -!- Amnesthesia|Else is now known as Amnesthesia 11:22:01 when killing a holy while following a good god, you only get piety if it's marked MF_NO_REWARD or MF_WAS_NEUTRAL. 11:22:04 er 11:22:05 penance 11:22:36 is there something weird about that? 11:23:18 it seems a little backwards 11:23:20 idk 11:24:45 maybe that's right. 11:24:45 kinda makes sense to me, it's applying to ones you summoned or ones that turned to your side already (rip) 11:25:22 eh 11:25:38 I guess I'm just used to MF_NO_REWARD implying no results 11:25:41 not the opposite of that 11:25:55 though really there isn't much point to me IMO, don't they all already get angry at attacking allies 11:26:32 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:06 well 11:27:10 if you instagib an enemy 11:27:16 *a monster 11:27:24 you don't seem to get a conduct triggered for attacking it, only killing it? 11:27:26 maybe? 11:27:28 it's weird 11:27:38 that might be an axe of woe thing, actually. 11:28:59 are you really testing with the axe of woe. 11:29:04 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:29:30 it's efficient! 11:30:12 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:30:23 okay there 11:31:38 also I always forget about x&k 11:33:01 it's ctrl-k 11:33:58 see!!! 11:38:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:42:22 !source godconduct.cc 11:42:23 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godconduct.cc;hb=HEAD 11:44:03 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:02 Nice autocorrect 11:47:07 ??crawltv 11:47:07 crawltv ~ crawlt ~ crawl alternative[1/4]: A very old (pre-Stone-Soup) and apparently abandoned fork of Crawl: http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ or git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl-ancient.git branch "alternative" 11:50:48 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:55:11 ...what 11:55:11 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:55:18 guardian mummies are large 11:55:47 hulking! 11:57:30 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57:52 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:18 !messages 11:59:19 (1/1) ChrisOelmueller said (11m 32s ago): i know!!!!!! i told you when i first sent it over and then forgot to re-tell again! but thanks for fixing and also thanks for pushing 12:04:16 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:52 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:34 aw, shadow demons are small 12:06:35 how cute 12:10:23 ...ushabti are spriggan-sized 12:10:23 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:11:37 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:37 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:11:37 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 12:11:41 it was the easiest way to make a hundred slaves, okay 12:13:04 !tell doy is the serpent of hell supposed to leave a corpse? 12:13:04 wheals: OK, I'll let doy know. 12:13:26 -!- bza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:46 oh 12:13:51 how else would we get the fire dragon armour {serpent of hell} 12:13:52 someone was saying that death rattle isn't the best name for their ability 12:13:59 ushabti's 12:14:00 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 12:14:02 probably not. 12:14:16 anybody who can think of a better name, go ahead and change it 12:15:32 03N7829102 07* 0.16-a0-2195-gbd84a2a: Minor mercenary card improvements. 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 54+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd84a2ad0e51 12:18:33 wheals: i have no real opinion 12:18:33 doy: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:18:33 i guess it would be weird for it to leave a corpse but not a hide 12:18:33 so best not 12:18:33 man, reaverb was claiming that there was a special message for okawaru when you kill especially dangerous monsters 12:18:33 there are two messages. he 'accepts' your kill, and he 'appreciates' your kill 12:18:33 not exactly 'bursting into a pillar of flame' in white text... 12:18:33 iron dragon armourrrrrr 12:18:33 !send theTower an iron dragon scale 12:18:33 Sending an iron dragon scale to theTower. 12:18:33 peh. everyone knows it's all about iron dragon shields these days 12:18:33 iron dragon tower shields 12:18:33 dark souls as h*ck...... 12:18:33 d***(*) souls as h*ck 12:18:33 dank souls...! 12:18:33 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:33 d*** ***** ** **ck 12:18:33 anyway can I make a belfry full of war gargoyles 12:18:33 only if you provide elec weapons nearby 12:18:40 that is precisely unuseful 12:18:40 since that's how you kill the gargoyles, obv!!! 12:18:43 war gargoyle (109) | Spd: 14 | HD: 13 | HP: 40-64 | AC/EV: 22/4 | Dam: 30 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(100), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1453 | Sp: metal splinters (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:18:43 %??war gargoyle 12:18:57 huh, all the hellpan lords are large except for geryon, cerebov, and antaeus 12:19:03 but I do have to complete the reference 12:19:05 only relec, not +++ :) 12:19:19 hellpan 12:19:26 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:19:26 %??pandemonium lord 12:19:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:20:03 !send PleasingFungus hellpan 12:20:04 Sending hellpan to PleasingFungus. 12:20:06 er 12:20:09 !send hellpan PleasingFungus 12:20:10 Sending PleasingFungus to hellpan. 12:20:15 Enjoy your stay! 12:20:17 noooo 12:21:20 how do you feel about making rust devils lighter than normal, rather than heavier 12:21:21 the one thing the serpent of hell lacks. 12:21:24 since it all rusted away 12:21:25 black mark. 12:21:29 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:26:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:15 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:14 wheals: well, I mean. they're still metal 12:29:21 but also it doesn't matter at all 12:29:25 so follow yr hrt 12:29:35 i did something 12:29:36 i think 12:29:41 no!!! 12:29:46 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:10 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:30:41 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:43 i like this unreachable CE_ROT code 12:31:24 Rename beam.is_beam to beam.pierce: https://bpaste.net/show/5bff330d9b85 12:34:40 If somebody wants to look that over I /think/ I made the spacing right but I'm not sure <_< 12:34:40 wheals: well, what if!!! 12:34:40 reaverb: that 12:34:40 is a good change 12:34:40 rip beem.is_beam....? 12:34:40 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:40 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#436 (master - ce8611a : Shmuale Mark): The build passed. 12:34:40 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/4d067f620594...ce8611a79379 12:34:40 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40995362 12:34:40 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:34:40 Yes rip. (Have to go, bye!) 12:34:40 -!- reaverb has quit [Client Quit] 12:34:40 hf :) 12:34:40 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:35:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:59 is_bolt instead imo 12:36:18 pierce is a better name. 12:36:20 or piercing, maybe. 12:42:44 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:44 hi elliptic 12:42:44 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:53 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2196-g9ddcce4: Remove M_ACTUAL_SPELLS. 10(2 hours ago, 8 files, 120+ 156-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ddcce44a15b 12:42:53 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2197-g2d4ce1e: Remove M_PRIEST. 10(75 minutes ago, 4 files, 21+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4ce1ee734e 12:42:53 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-2198-g1e52173: Put the weight in mon-data.h for all monsters, not just ones with corpses. 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 195+ 236-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e521739cfb3 12:45:55 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:55 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:46:11 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:46:26 !send wheals corpuscules 12:46:27 Sending corpuscules to wheals. 12:46:36 !send PleasingFungus waves 12:46:37 Sending waves to PleasingFungus. 12:46:43 don't make those!!! 12:50:08 !tell ChrisOelmueller The first hit on that is a short story. Was that the thing you meant to send me to> 12:50:08 Lasty_: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 12:50:35 my second encounter with caustic foo my demon trident of elec was a demon trident of pain instead 12:50:39 poor things 12:51:42 yeah, they don't respond well to electricity and pain 12:51:55 counterpoint: I think they respond extremely well. 12:52:58 PleasingFungus advocates for cruelty to deadly, evil animals. I'm telling PETA. 12:53:38 MEGA rude. 12:53:38 ?/caustic 12:53:38 Matching terms (3): caustic_bee, caustic_shrike, caustic_wasp; entries (4): caustic_bee[1]: see {caustic shrike} | caustic_shrike[3]: Here: Nikola the spectral caustic shrike (friendly) | caustic_wasp[1]: see {caustic shrike} | shrike[1]: see {caustic shrike} 12:53:51 ??caustic shrike[$ 12:53:51 caustic shrike[3/3]: Here: Nikola the spectral caustic shrike (friendly) 12:53:54 <3 12:53:55 ??caustic wasp 12:53:55 caustic shrike[1/3]: potatolizard: they are jellies glued to beeeeeeeees 12:54:07 ??caustic bee 12:54:07 caustic shrike[1/3]: potatolizard: they are jellies glued to beeeeeeeees 12:54:13 those are redirected 12:55:12 03N7829102 07* 0.16-a0-2199-g38d9c60: Replace Cloud card steam with rare poison clouds. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38d9c6059da8 12:58:14 random thoughts of the day: why have slaying rings been cut down to +6, but shaolin and robustness are still +8 12:58:14 why not? plutonium sword is like +20 or whatever 12:58:14 unrands can do special things 12:58:14 fr: +8 urand slaying ring then 12:58:14 ??implemented bad ideas[26 12:58:14 implemented bad ideas[26/27]: 1740. The +8,+8 Ring of Slaying. 12:58:14 ring of Might 12:58:14 ring of Right 12:58:16 Ring of Might Not Exist 12:58:33 uh 12:58:36 does tso like meph...? 12:59:02 i don't think he minds 12:59:07 huh 12:59:13 as long as you don't hit them 12:59:43 sorry, crazy people using decks with tso 12:59:57 I'm pretty sure he does mind it because it's poison 12:59:57 potatolizard: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:00:00 !messages 13:00:01 (1/1) Monkaria said (33m 29s ago): hi 13:00:08 no pain, no venom, no pentagram, weaker banshee, 13:00:23 no point in shadow, 13:00:33 huh, actually he doesn't 13:00:38 confusing is okay, hitting confused dudes is not 13:00:39 TSO only gets one card and it says this: ":( sorry" 13:00:43 rip 13:00:43 rip 13:00:46 <3 13:00:58 weird how the spell itself is marked red 13:01:01 does banishment count as unholy or something I forget 13:01:02 since it's still actually very useful 13:01:04 no 13:01:14 good gods don't give a crap about disto and whatever 13:01:17 well there's something, at least 13:01:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:06:17 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:17 Any idea how long cdo will be down? 13:06:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:17 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#437 (master - 912d2ff : Shmuale Mark): The build was broken. 13:06:17 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/ce8611a79379...912d2ffc6977 13:06:17 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41013725 13:06:17 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:06:17 I like how I care about -rPois in Zot 13:06:25 What gave you -rPois in Zot? 13:06:59 card 13:07:00 probably 13:07:07 BROKEN 13:07:08 venom card 13:07:23 I wonder if I should bother to update the learndb 13:07:32 so bloody much I changed, though 13:09:26 neither of those were my fault 13:09:27 i think 13:14:21 which learndb entry would http://41.media.tumblr.com/8353493da2def90d9e80aa0e21859e15/tumblr_n7l0z0y0YT1r048glo1_500.jpg fit under 13:14:21 all of them 13:14:21 the dance 13:14:21 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:15:34 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:34 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 13:15:34 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 13:16:41 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15.2-0-g9b7472d 13:22:27 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 13:22:27 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:27 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:27 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#425 (master - 05ef143 : theTower): The build was broken. 13:22:27 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/5ba78840f17e...05ef1431e6a9 13:22:27 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40954650 13:22:27 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:22:57 hm. hey, wheals. 13:23:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:04 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#430 (master - 73ec089 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build passed. 13:23:04 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/b1e1a3503693...73ec0897ded2 13:23:04 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/40960207 13:23:04 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:23:10 you're the mon-poly expert, right? 13:25:30 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:37 the default friendly monster messages 13:25:40 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:42 seem out of place on a flayed ghost 13:25:55 they're hilarious, tho 13:26:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:27:25 aren't you the flavour expert 13:30:31 :P 13:30:31 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:30:31 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Client Quit] 13:30:31 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:31 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:30:31 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:31:49 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:49 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 13:31:49 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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ZZZzzz…] 13:43:33 ac and ev are just dependent on hd now, not independent 13:43:34 iirc? 13:46:40 -!- nerdlord has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:40 ? 13:46:40 where is that set 13:46:44 monster.cc, ugh 13:47:13 they're already weak for their use, just going to leave the only random part of them their speed since that actually matters 13:47:17 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49:02 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:54:44 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:44 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#438 (master - 289536a : Chris Oelmueller): The build was broken. 13:54:44 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/912d2ffc6977...289536a16123 13:54:44 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41014819 13:54:44 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:56:41 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:58:04 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:38 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2200-g090624a: Add support for data-style conducts 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 170+ 50-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=090624a3ba28 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2201-ge292116: Handle DID_DRINK_BLOOD in data 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 24+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e292116ad3e9 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2202-gbbde5d9: Flatten some god conduct code 10(14 hours ago, 3 files, 143+ 141-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbde5d946da6 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2203-g9575c29: Move DID_CANNIBALISM and DID_CORPSE_VIOLATION into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 17+ 37-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9575c2925c2f 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2204-g1ec5169: Move various holy conducts into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 56+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ec5169d47d7 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2205-ga84edc9: Move DID_HOLY into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a84edc9cdb34 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2206-ge550542: Move unchivalric conducts into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 44+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e550542cf126 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2207-g3edb760: Move DID_KILL_SLIME into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3edb760e7340 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2208-gcaa385a: Move DID_KILL_PLANT* into data 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=caa385a0ba94 14:03:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2209-g550c979: Move DID_ATTACK_NEUTRAL into data 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=550c979776a6 14:03:00 ... and 25 more commits 14:06:39 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:22 thats a lot 14:07:27 hoping for some good crash bugs from this one. 14:07:30 Yeah, tons of commits. 14:07:51 (speaking of crashing, what's the point of tarvis-ci if it's just going to spam the channel w/false positives?) 14:08:23 that is a very reasonable question, and we should talk with doy and figure out how to get it to not do that. 14:08:30 we've been fixing a lot of the false positives. 14:09:24 also, hm. 14:09:28 https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/jobs/41014821 this doesn't look like a false positive? 14:09:43 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:44 I mean, I doubt it's related to the commit, but it does look like a bug. 14:09:46 -!- ketsa_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:15 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:10:26 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 14:14:04 0.16: we swear all the code is less stupid now 14:14:04 not ALL the code. 14:14:04 so how are those throwing nets coming along 14:14:04 some of the code is less stupid now 14:14:04 throwing nets are slightly less stupid! 14:14:04 still very stupid obv 14:14:04 what just happened 14:14:04 refactorstorm 14:14:04 oh. hm. I should test something 14:14:04 i dont know what that means, is it good 14:14:04 so these recent failures are probably my fault 14:14:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:14:04 i added a timeout to the tests because travis will kill the process after no output for 10 minutes 14:14:04 but it looks like the timeout was too short for some cases? 14:14:04 i'll see if tweaking it helps 14:14:04 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:15:23 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:23 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:15:23 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 14:24:21 no one has even made a big deal about being able to Zin recite pan lords 14:24:23 makes me sad 14:24:46 rip :( 14:25:23 !lg * ikiller=the_serpent_of_hell 14:25:23 31. PleasingFungus the Demonologist (L27 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by the Serpent of Hell (crystal spear) on Dis:7 (dis_hangedman) on 2014-11-14 01:12:05, with 877218 points after 82945 turns and 12:10:06. 14:25:32 wonder how bad it's going to get 14:25:38 ? 14:25:43 SoH kills 14:25:46 o 14:25:54 !lg * ikiller=the_serpent_of_hell / current 14:25:54 13/31 games for * (ikiller=the_serpent_of_hell): N=13/31 (41.94%) 14:26:08 !kw current 14:26:08 -!- JuicyPear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26:08 Keyword: current => cv>=0.15 14:26:23 kind of weird terminology 14:26:25 current for what? 14:27:04 fr titan of hell 14:27:14 we have antaeus 14:30:22 -!- fireprfHydra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:22 don't make me debate Grunt again as to whether he's a demon or a titan 14:30:22 another unique people need to buff: Ereshkigal 14:30:22 unique pan lords all seem reasonably spooky now 14:30:22 I was spooked by all of them 14:30:22 by pan lord you're including hell? 14:30:22 n 14:30:22 ok 14:30:22 died halfway through hell, remember 14:30:22 yeah those have been improved 14:30:22 so can't report on that 14:30:22 had to bail/retry for both lom & mnoleg 14:30:22 might have for cerebov if he hadn't gotten trapped behind a wall 14:30:22 I_NORMAL 14:30:22 I always ninja the rune for cere, last time I did for all but lom I think 14:30:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:40 but for gloorx I entered the level two tiles away from both gloorx and the rune 14:30:47 normally wouldn't ninja him 14:30:49 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:49 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#439 (master - bd84a2a : Shayne Halvorson): The build has errored. 14:30:49 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/289536a16123...bd84a2ad0e51 14:30:49 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41025552 14:30:49 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:31:12 gloorx wasn't excessively spooky but idk how much that has to do with me being a summoner. 14:31:22 gloorx is super easy for a summoner 14:31:33 but the curse skulls were a tweak to help with that 14:31:42 (but he's still super easy) 14:32:09 old gloorx had no way to abjure anything 14:32:46 !killratio ereshkigal * recent 14:32:48 ereshkigal wins 0.920% of battles against * (recent). 14:32:53 !killratio ereshkigal * current 14:32:55 ereshkigal wins 0.961% of battles against * (current). 14:33:15 !killratio asmodeus * current 14:33:17 asmodeus wins 0.761% of battles against * (current). 14:33:23 !killratio dispater * current 14:33:25 dispater wins 0.742% of battles against * (current). 14:34:13 Gloorx Vloq (15&) | Spd: 20 | HD: 16 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12453 | Sp: poison arrow (3d23) [06!sil], miasma breath (3d13) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil], b.draining (3d23) [06!sil], dispel undead (3d25) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:34:13 %??gloorx vloq 14:34:21 I don't remember seeing any skulls on my run 14:34:29 though I did the last time I killed him 14:34:33 might be a vault thing 14:34:41 I think theTower put them in all vaults 14:34:53 but they're both fast and mobile 14:34:58 so you could have gotten lucky 14:38:26 !vault gloorx 14:38:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des;hb=HEAD#l1129 14:38:26 PleasingFungus: did you get that checkerboard one? 14:38:26 yes 14:38:26 though I think there are multiple checkerboard ones 14:38:26 yeah looking at that, they're way at the edges 14:38:26 there are two, yeah, I mean the classic one that's box-shaped overall 14:38:26 gloorx_vloq_grunt was the one I had 14:38:26 hm. no idea where the curse skulls went; I know I went near one 14:38:26 near where one is on the map 14:38:26 yeah less likely for you to have missed them on that map 14:38:26 or missed both at least 14:38:26 maybe I just have no memory 14:38:26 idk 14:46:29 PleasingFungus: the die in _piety_bonus_for_holiness should probably try to give a helpful message :D 14:46:29 Otherwise I'm very happy for that refactoring. 14:46:29 well 14:46:29 it'll appear at compile-time 14:46:29 I think 14:46:29 or maybe startup. 14:46:29 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:47:44 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:47:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 14:48:06 you could probably take out gloorx pretty easilly with shadow c and menag 14:48:33 reaverb: yes, but... 14:48:47 also true 14:48:48 reaverb: more specifically, it's all exclusively used to initialize static maps. 14:49:20 let me test. 14:50:01 !function _piety_bonus_for_holiness 14:50:03 Couldn't find _piety_bonus_for_holiness in the Crawl source tree 14:50:18 %git 14:50:18 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2236-g6d12054: Re-add Zin's old ATTACK_NEUTRAL conduct 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d12054b0b9e 14:50:36 reaverb: looks like it dies at startup 14:50:39 %git HEAD^1 14:50:40 07reaverb02 * 0.16-a0-2235-gbd64d33: Rename 'beam.is_beam' to 'beam.pierce' 10(3 hours ago, 15 files, 131+ 130-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd64d33e2f0f 14:50:54 what's the function btw, sequell can't find it 14:51:08 s/$/?/ 14:51:26 !source godconduct.cc:452 14:51:27 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godconduct.cc;hb=HEAD#l452 14:51:32 ty 14:54:37 ah, right, going back to pan I instantly need to fix something 14:54:37 heh, I guess we only use ASSERT() if it's at the beginning of the function 14:54:37 I assume die prints the line number anyhow 14:54:37 ERROR in 'godconduct.cc' at line 457: help, I don't know what to do! 14:54:37 well there we go 14:54:37 there's no rule about only ASSERTing at the start of a function 14:54:37 it's just in this case you'd ASSERT(false) 14:54:37 which is silly 14:54:37 oh, why am I thinking of an assert with a message 14:54:37 I guess that's the difference between assert and die really 14:55:04 -!- CrawlDDOS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:08 yeah any message would be pretty obtuse for any user even if it were meaningful, and a developer just needs the line number 14:55:40 PF just wanted an assert but there's no good way to make that without recreating the cases in the assert, so 14:56:27 I guess one thing we could do is an ASSERT_bad_case() macro or something, but 14:56:38 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:41 I guess I need to figure out pan lord spells over again 14:56:44 sigh 14:56:47 Or a default argument on die() 14:56:59 I really don't understand what the problem with calling die() there is? 14:57:18 why are you desperately searching for a way to call assert instead? 14:57:30 reaverb's (very minor) complaint is just that the die message is meaningless, so it's sort of silly to use die 14:57:31 -!- CrawlDDOS_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:47 it's more of a "is there a conceptually (slightly) better way to do this" 14:58:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2237-g77d22cb: Improve an error message (reaverb) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77d22cb0732a 15:01:02 oh. idk. some messages serve as comments, in a way 15:01:02 I think it's fine. 15:01:02 I think die is better than ASSERT here, the message annoyed me more when I (incorrectly) thought it could show up a runtime. 15:01:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01:02 yeah it's not how I'd prefer to use something like die, but it's pretty insignificant 15:01:02 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:02 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:02 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#440 (master - 1e52173 : Shmuale Mark): The build has errored. 15:01:02 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/bd84a2ad0e51...1e521739cfb3 15:01:02 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41028319 15:01:02 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:01:02 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:02:21 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 15:02:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 15:02:40 also good arithmetic here: 19 tests, 19 succeeded, 1 failed 15:03:11 shrodinger's test 15:03:20 if (md->weight && !md->corpse_thingy) 15:03:21 fails += make_stringf("%s has a corpse but no corpse_type\n", name); 15:03:47 looks like that just gets removed 15:03:56 corpse_thingy 15:04:02 - err, bad name. 15:04:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:31 oh is that from the make test? 15:04:33 fixing 15:04:35 it is, yes 15:04:41 I really should look at that 15:09:09 I think I have a fix 15:09:09 -!- kazimuth has quit [Client Quit] 15:09:09 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:09:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:09:09 boggart has a corpse but no zombie_size 15:09:09 green death has a corpse but no zombie_size 15:09:09 vine stalker has a corpse but no zombie_size 15:09:09 death scarab has a corpse but no zombie_size 15:09:09 !blame wheals 15:09:09 I pronounce wheals... Guilty! 15:09:09 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:09:09 did wheals give green death corpses?! 15:09:10 apparently! 15:09:45 opinion on giving boggarts corpses? it's a little weird that they don't have any 15:10:28 I view them as magical creatures 15:10:38 but I'm not going to the wall for boggarts! 15:10:41 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:10:43 I mean, you can justify it, but - 15:10:44 yeah 15:10:44 those bastards can defend themselves 15:10:46 idk 15:10:53 do what's in your heart 15:11:02 I'm voting no 15:11:08 !rng strew_boggart_corpses_everywhere make_the_dungeon_boggart_clean 15:11:08 The RNG chooses: make_the_dungeon_boggart_clean. 15:11:12 status quo it is 15:11:13 hooray 15:11:15 why do vine stalkers not have corpses 15:11:20 N78291: oversight 15:11:23 I'm fixing it 15:11:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:30 Boggarts are spirits 15:11:31 it's only the species mons anyhow 15:11:35 I think 15:11:44 non-undead spirits 15:11:47 quick, move them to R 15:11:56 rakshasa ..oh those might be demonic 15:12:00 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 51-79 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 993 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16) [06!sil], phantom mirror [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:12:00 %??rakshasa 15:12:04 yeah 15:12:10 dryad is R and it's living! 15:12:17 grand avatar is R and it's nonliving! 15:12:25 but are only in the game through summons! 15:12:33 good enough 15:12:34 -!- CrawlDDOS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:12:53 ra, ra, rakshasa 15:12:53 djinni is R and it's something 15:12:58 russia's greatest uh 15:13:06 efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 356 | Sp: b.fire (3d15) [06!sil], fireball (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 15:13:06 %??Efreet 15:13:10 greatest rak 15:13:18 protect the rakshasa skies. 15:13:35 I should figure out how to run this mon-data test directly 15:13:41 rather than just going through all of ./crawl -test 15:13:48 unknown monster: "djinni" 15:13:48 %0.14?djinni 15:13:50 unknown monster: "djinn" 15:13:50 %0.14?djinn 15:13:55 gargh 15:17:13 rip 15:17:13 lava snake has a zombie_size but no corpse 15:17:13 mana viper has a zombie_size but no corpse 15:17:13 I added a new check :) 15:17:13 give mana vipers corpses again 15:17:13 I'm trying to remember why they lost the 15:17:13 m 15:17:13 something about zin 15:17:13 they could just have clean corpses 15:17:13 %git :/ana v 15:17:14 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-662-g084390f: Give greater mummies occasional mana viper, emperor scorpion summons 10(8 weeks ago, 8 files, 83+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=084390fc226c 15:17:14 theTower: that's lame!!! 15:17:14 it was due to mutagenic corpses making zin hate them despite that being not very intuitive 15:17:24 hi chei. 15:17:28 feelin' a little slow? 15:17:43 man, so many of the guardian mummy diluters made that not the greatest of ideas 15:17:46 PleasingFungus: aha, it's crawl -test 15:17:52 I think maybe you need full debug build 15:17:57 I have been running that, yes 15:17:59 miasma trailing batty swarms, miasma/draining breaths, ghostly fire explosions 15:18:15 ontop of the already present torment 15:18:21 oh, nope 15:18:36 PleasingFungus: yeah that runs the mon data test, you mean run that and not the others? 15:18:47 yes 15:19:07 let's see... _run_test("mon-data", debug_mondata); 15:19:07 sorry, "directly" was unclear 15:19:13 obviously should just group together summon emperor scorp and mana viper and whatever else is egyptian into one summon to randomly replace demon 15:19:22 alligators 15:19:32 does egypt have alligators or crocodiles 15:19:34 it's one of those 15:19:36 !function debug_mondata 15:19:37 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l4644 15:19:50 Yes, in nile river 15:19:53 crocodiles 15:20:15 crocs would be underwhelming. 15:20:50 death hippos 15:21:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:21:42 PleasingFungus: ah, I think it's ./crawl -test mon-data 15:21:59 nice! 15:22:01 ty 15:22:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2238-g9d6b8ad: Fix and improve mon-data tests 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d6b8adbfa52 15:25:19 works for any of those tests 15:25:19 clockodiles 15:25:19 Zannick: new chei-following monster??? 15:25:19 sure 15:25:19 hm. why does zombie_size exist? 15:25:19 chei-following, hook-hunting 15:25:19 if pan lords lose not-emergency-anymore teleporting they should probably lose the extra blink that way 15:25:19 PleasingFungus: that's also currently used to indicate when monsters don't leave zombies 15:25:19 hmmm 15:25:19 but yeah it seems maybe not necessary if we just map monster size and possibly just added a monster flag 15:25:19 yeah 15:25:19 still need more low level filtrage 15:25:19 I'm running some tests now 15:25:19 to see if we have anything that doesn't strictly map to size 15:25:19 -!- Toastar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:19 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:26:32 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:32 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 15:26:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 15:26:33 this is a real mythological fuckup!!!! 15:26:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:26:37 I'm gonna fix this right now. 15:26:37 I don't like that version of the myth! 15:26:38 I think nobody would notice if you went ahead and changed that 15:26:45 gammafunk: what version do you prefer??? 15:26:48 do you want the 15:26:51 basilicok 15:26:51 big and nasty!! 15:26:53 yes 15:26:56 well 15:26:58 basilisks aren't 15:26:59 I want the basilicok bad 15:27:05 admittedly same. 15:27:14 anyway they will be small, like their threat level. 15:28:53 if it were in my tile set I'd remove it since don't want to pretent I'm some mythological equivalent of a chihuahua 15:28:59 *pretend 15:29:09 I bet basilisks bark at the drop of a hat 15:29:15 they hiss 15:29:21 is this a coinflip for pan lords to have dig 15:29:23 they hiss at the drop of a hat 15:29:27 that is great and I won't touch it 15:29:44 give them greater digging imo 15:29:50 ...shatter...? 15:30:02 destroying other demons is bad. 15:30:06 no I mean 15:30:09 Basilisks bein' huge: https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=master%20of%20magic%20basilisk&tbs=imgo:1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=lGyZKRZdRIBemM%253A%3B2LSmaHUNPpY0RM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwaltorious.files.wordpress.com%252F2012%252F09%252Fdosbox-0-74-cpu-speed_-max-100-cycles-frameskip-0-program_-magic-screenshot-9_18_2012-7_00_24-pm.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwaltorious.wordpress.com%252F2012%252F09%252F29%252Fhistory-lessons-master-of-magic%252F%3 15:30:11 I'm just trying to figure out what greater digging would be 15:30:12 I'm not grunt 15:30:14 wow lasty 15:30:16 Lasty_: augh, that url 15:30:16 nice url 15:30:19 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:19 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#441 (master - 38d9c60 : Shayne Halvorson): The build was broken. 15:30:19 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/1e521739cfb3...38d9c6059da8 15:30:19 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41029348 15:30:19 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:30:20 ugh, sorry 15:30:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2239-gf768695: Make basilisks little 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f76869503107 15:30:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2240-gadcecf6: Add checks for zombie size/monster size mismatches 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=adcecf6d36d4 15:33:27 rip 15:33:27 hi travis, bye travis 15:33:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:27 man those basilisks 15:33:27 would not even fit in the dungeon 15:33:27 they are Super Sized 15:33:27 Lasty_: wow, they're as large as the castle walls, which are also about as tall as a person! 15:33:27 anyway greater dig is clearly going to take a cue from other ds. 15:33:27 PleasingFungus: good proportions fo sho 15:33:27 i.e. dig mark. 15:33:27 <3 old sprites 15:33:27 no Master of Magic fans here, I take it 15:33:27 ya sorry 15:33:27 only might and magic fans 15:33:27 wait. um. hm. 15:33:27 gammafunk: there are currently no monsters that have corpses but no zombie_size 15:33:27 that's guaranteed by the test 15:33:27 so when would it be meaningful...? 15:33:27 I'm pretty sure it does nothing at all right now 15:34:09 ??glyph 15:34:09 glyph ~ glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 15:34:28 ah I see your confusion I think 15:34:35 you're askign what the enum values do? 15:34:54 large Z is yellow, small Z is brown 15:34:56 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:35:00 that is not what I am asking. 15:35:09 I am asking, what information does the zombie size provide 15:35:13 you were saying that 15:35:26 [13:23] gammafunk that's also currently used to indicate when monsters don't leave zombies 15:35:34 uh, what information does a glyph provide, PleasingFungus? 15:35:36 but I don't think it is 15:35:41 oy vey 15:35:42 forget it 15:35:44 -!- Toastaer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:36:06 if you're saying we can indicate "don't allow zombies" another way, sure I'll agree 15:36:22 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:36:30 I recall there's a set of conditions for spectrals vs zombies/skells 15:36:31 that's different 15:36:41 but that may not really depend on zombie size 15:36:52 conditions being "when can you make these things from this monster" 15:43:43 heh 15:43:50 !function mons_class_can_be_zombified 15:43:51 ? 15:43:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l1497 15:43:56 oh, yeah 15:43:59 !function mons_zombifiable 15:44:00 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l1815 15:44:12 code is real hard 15:44:22 wait. hm. 15:44:26 shouldn't... shouldn't... 15:44:26 yeah this is weird 15:44:52 one checks for the monster flag and zombie size 15:45:07 the other checks for "leaving a corpse" and zombie size 15:45:16 so confusing 15:45:35 I think only one of those functions should exist 15:45:40 and it's probably the one with the flag 15:45:41 or some union 15:45:42 yeah 15:46:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2241-ge23fea2: Remove zombie_size 10(29 seconds ago, 3 files, 533+ 544-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e23fea28b741 15:49:17 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:17 // "team" the monster plays for 15:49:17 ^ is this funny if you are not mentally a child 15:49:17 someone tell me 15:49:17 ahahahahahahahahh 15:49:17 it is not funny. 15:49:17 man that's funny 15:49:17 rip 15:49:17 but the answer to your question is no 15:52:25 zombie size isn't marshalled, at least (I hope) 15:52:25 shouldn't be 15:52:25 anyway Z_NO_ZOMBIE still exists, which is goofy 15:52:25 but w/e 15:52:35 yeah, it's two-state, no? 15:52:43 could be just..oh 15:52:44 nm 15:53:15 mons_has_big_zombie(mc) 15:53:18 mons_has_huge_guts 15:53:50 _rip_and_tear_mons_guts 15:53:59 I wonder if that monster flag for not leaving a zombie 15:54:02 is that thing relevant? 15:54:19 leaves a corpse but you can't zombify it..oh shapeshifters? 15:54:25 that would make sense 15:55:29 wow, all of 5 monsters 15:56:04 I have to wonder if there's much of a reason for ghouls/necrophages/bog bodies leaving corpses 15:56:44 so crypt's ghoul packs can eat each other 15:57:23 good flavour 16:00:29 yeah CE_ROT, does it even really need to be a thing 16:00:29 !send gammafunk shadow dragons 16:00:29 Sending shadow dragons to gammafunk. 16:00:29 that's not a reason! 16:00:29 they can leave poisonous corpses 16:00:29 1learn add shadow_dragon 16:00:29 -!- t4nk608 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:29 oh, i guess reaverb removed punching monsters being one of the loudest things you can do 16:00:29 !send simmarine GONNNNG 16:00:29 Sending GONNNNG to simmarine. 16:00:29 Zot beef is naturally fully marbled and is not only delicious but also perfectually attenuated to the dungeon's harmonics in order to spread noise optimally 16:00:29 gammafunk: fr: zot yaks 16:00:29 zot yak (10p) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 131-170 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3012(klown) | 10doors, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 4747 | Sp: blink [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:00:29 %??killer klown name:zot_yak n_rpl 16:00:45 zot yak (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 65-102 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2763 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:00:45 %??orb guardian name:zot_yak n_rpl 16:00:47 just give killer p Klown Kars to travel in 16:00:55 and make them all come rushing out of it 16:01:39 gammafunk: ghouls love CE_ROT!!! 16:01:42 todo grunt_klown_kar 16:01:45 it's unnaturally delicious 16:01:47 you and ghouls! 16:01:52 I am a ghoul master. 16:02:04 PleasingFungus: thus, the ugh 16:02:05 !lg PleasingFungus gh / won 16:02:05 0/33 games for PleasingFungus (gh): N=0/33 (0.00%) 16:02:07 anyway imo ce_rot is super flavorful & harmless 16:02:08 are you sure 16:02:09 pleasingfungus what would the ghoul unique be 16:02:27 imo make Josephine a ghoul...... 16:02:29 margery 16:02:32 oh 16:02:38 i remember that conversation 16:02:40 margery? no! 16:02:41 yes 16:03:29 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:33 I am now reminded of my botflies idea 16:03:41 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:42 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#442 (master - a507f1e : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 16:03:42 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/38d9c6059da8...a507f1ef6ae5 16:03:42 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41035554 16:03:42 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:03:44 I should see how horrific it'd be now that I can actually code 16:04:03 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:04:26 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 16:05:34 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-2242-g0a13433: increase the test timeout 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a134336f505 16:08:35 -!- winlu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:35 why is github being so flaky lately 16:08:35 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 16:08:35 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:35 spite 16:08:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:09:36 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:01 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:05 I wonder if summon undead would work for pan lords or if that steps on tomb too much 16:16:39 is that the one that haunts, or does it just summon? in any case I don't think it's too much a problem since the chance of any pan lord getting any specific spell is pretty low 16:16:39 I say, not knowing what the current spell distribution looks like 16:16:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:16:46 summon undead is not haunt 16:17:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:31 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#439 (master - bd84a2a : Shayne Halvorson): The build passed. 16:17:31 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/289536a16123...bd84a2ad0e51 16:17:31 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41025552 16:17:31 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:17:37 casting haunt and getting jiangshi would be nice though 16:20:55 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:55 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#442 (master - a507f1e : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 16:20:55 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/38d9c6059da8...a507f1ef6ae5 16:20:55 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41035554 16:20:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:21:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2243-g84b8fb8: Add some more debug_mondata tests 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 35+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84b8fb858856 16:24:45 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:45 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#440 (master - 1e52173 : Shmuale Mark): The build was broken. 16:24:45 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/bd84a2ad0e51...1e521739cfb3 16:24:45 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41028319 16:24:45 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:24:45 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:40 feel free to shame me for Z 16:25:46 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25:50 that is a bad thing to write, and I feel bad for writing it. 16:28:08 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28:13 The monster with no name..... 16:28:23 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:29:21 unknown ench: "invisibility" 16:29:21 %??thrashing horror hd:19 perm_ench:berserk perm_ench:invisibility name:Unnamed 16:29:27 ): 16:29:33 Unnamed (08X) | Spd: 37-38 | HD: 19 | HP: 126-186 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 2507(trample), 1307(trample) | 11non-living, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 3252 | Sp: might [11!AM, 06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 16:29:33 %??thrashing horror hd:19 perm_ench:berserk name:Unnamed 16:32:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 16:32:49 oh god this code. 16:32:49 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:49 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#442 (master - a507f1e : Nicholas Feinberg): The build is still failing. 16:32:49 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/38d9c6059da8...a507f1ef6ae5 16:32:49 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41035554 16:32:49 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:40:53 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:53 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:41:49 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:48:57 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:48:57 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:57 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#443 (master - bd64d33 : reaverb): The build is still failing. 16:48:57 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/a507f1ef6ae5...bd64d33e2f0f 16:48:57 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41036775 16:48:57 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:48:57 -!- link_1081 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:57 -!- CcS has quit [] 16:49:38 -!- tcsc has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:39 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:50:42 ??crawlcode 16:50:42 crawlcode[1/1]: Come get some. ~ https://twitter.com/crawlcode 16:50:45 ^ PleasingFungus ;) 16:51:19 Hi...... 16:51:27 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:51:59 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57:11 ontoclasm: I'm making you a set of template tiles 16:59:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:01:22 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05:04 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.0.3/20141105223254]] 17:05:04 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:05:04 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:06:21 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 17:06:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 17:16:37 bh: your abstract diagrams weren't enough?!?! 17:17:28 next time the artist asks for an example, give them a link to a publication and a theorem reference 17:18:06 good idea 17:18:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2244-g6f3e589: Remove an obsolete and bizarre comment 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f3e5893c8cc 17:18:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2245-gb1749ae: Flatten 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 86+ 85-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1749ae73907 17:18:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2246-gc1b29a6: Cleanup some get_monster_equipment_desc() code 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1b29a6a2f00 17:18:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2247-gab09373: Cleanup get_monster_equipment_desc() a little more 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 29+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab09373dbbdf 17:21:19 "just imagine if in theorem 4.2 the sequence of functions g_n were *not* Lipschitz continuous 17:21:19 I'm making more abstract diagrams, but this time with reflection support 17:21:19 " 17:21:19 "that should give you an artistic sense of what we're going for..." 17:21:19 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-2243-g84b8fb8 (34) 17:21:19 oh is clan back in action 17:21:19 ??is_clan_down 17:21:19 7 minutes, 23 seconds since last activity (clan) 17:21:19 nice 17:21:19 ??cxc 17:21:19 cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 17:21:36 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:49 can it really be obsolete *and* bizarre? 17:22:37 maybe? 17:23:20 I would submit that if it's bizarre, it's incoherent, hence it was never relevant and can't ever be obsoleted 17:23:28 so please force push a revised commit message 17:23:30 tia 17:23:33 :P 17:24:47 I should see if there are any job openings for the position of "Armchair Repository Wonk" 17:24:54 @crawlcommits, almost as good as @crawlcode 17:25:10 would submit ##crawl-dev transcripts as interview materials 17:25:41 gammafunk: oh man, SC_THROWN_IN 17:25:47 that is some good functionality 17:25:52 man, you gotta know! 17:25:55 !lg * ktype=thrown 17:25:56 No games for * (ktype=thrown). 17:25:58 !lg * ktype=throw 17:25:59 No games for * (ktype=throw). 17:26:02 !lg * ktype=~throw 17:26:03 29. flinch the Bludgeoner (L17 GrCK of Xom), thrown by an octopode crusher (kmap: hangedman_shoal_octodias) on Shoals:1 on 2014-11-03 14:57:40, with 147297 points after 33868 turns and 2:58:16. 17:26:11 what is that ktype anyhow 17:26:18 !lg * ktype=thrown_to_death 17:26:19 No games for * (ktype=thrown_to_death). 17:29:23 !lg * ktype=~throw x=ktype 17:29:23 29. [ktyp=being thrown] flinch the Bludgeoner (L17 GrCK of Xom), thrown by an octopode crusher (kmap: hangedman_shoal_octodias) on Shoals:1 on 2014-11-03 14:57:40, with 147297 points after 33868 turns and 2:58:16. 17:29:23 pfff 17:29:23 right, I remember thinking about "what do I call this stuff" for like 15 minutes 17:29:23 wow this gozag code is 17:29:23 the most questionable thing 17:29:23 !source delay.cc:1549 17:29:23 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/delay.cc;hb=HEAD#l1549 17:29:23 look at the gozag if a few lines down 17:29:23 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29:23 which only triggers if there's no buffer........... 17:29:23 idk maybe that's right but it spooks me out. 17:29:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:23 is CDO ok? it seems to have been down a few times recently 17:29:23 !isonline cdo 17:29:23 6 hours, 34 minutes, 34 seconds since last activity (cdo) 17:29:23 PleasingFungus: that does indeed look quite questionable 17:29:23 mrrrr 17:29:23 the screaming code is there too 17:29:23 idk 17:29:26 I guess I'd need to really hunt down all the places this is called 17:29:32 clearly a refactoring needed 17:29:35 yeah it is static at least 17:30:20 gah 17:30:28 a caller uses that same dang argument 17:30:30 and is not static 17:30:33 :( 17:30:43 interrupt_activity 17:30:50 sure, that won't be called a billion times 17:31:16 only 34 or so 17:31:37 !refactor gammafunk 17:31:51 but only once with that arg... 17:32:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:32:57 ....and the one time it's called....the caller...has...the same argument....and is not static.... 17:33:01 .........uggggg 17:33:30 -!- lukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:30 ha ha ha ha ha 17:33:31 this is like functional programming gone wrong 17:33:33 get dunked 17:33:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:16 jesus: bool handle_seen_interrupt(monster* mons, vector* msgs_buf) 17:37:27 also literally one call where msgs_buf is passed! 17:37:27 oh my god the microwave code is still here 17:37:27 I think it may be impossible to get it 17:37:27 but death cobs can still, in principle, appear in a burst of microwaves 17:39:52 PleasingFungus: ug, yeah that looks pretty wrong, msgs_buf is non-NULL for calls all the way from update_monsters_in_view that trickly down into that function you mentioned 17:40:05 and in update_monsters_in_view is stuff dealing with gozag pennance :( 17:40:32 well 17:40:36 it could always be worse 17:40:37 it's possible that this portion of gozag pennace is just all messed up and so few people have run into it 17:40:50 we could be living in a sad, microwave-less world. 17:40:50 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:52 but we aren't! 17:41:17 and yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the reasons people think gozag wrath is weak 17:41:30 aside from the brokenness with midas's curse 17:41:50 that portion only handled G wrath wrt bribes? 17:42:16 oh hrm, and the screaming mutation 17:42:23 I think that might be likewise broken 17:45:31 oh no 17:45:31 that part isn't in the msgs_buf conditional 17:45:31 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:46:46 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:46 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 17:46:46 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Can be created by enchanting a fire dragon hide. 18:01:43 ??plate_mail 18:01:43 plate armour[1/1]: 10AC, 18ER. 18:01:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:43 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:02:58 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:58 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 18:02:58 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 18:05:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:13:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18:05 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:06 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#446 (master - 9d6b8ad : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 18:18:06 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/77d22cb0732a...9d6b8adbfa52 18:18:06 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41043224 18:18:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:18:42 man 18:18:44 can we just like 18:18:50 turn off travis for a day or something 18:19:07 turn off that test, maybe, until it's ready to actually run as part of a build 18:19:10 well 18:19:17 the test is "can we connect to github to start a build" 18:19:47 oh, it's changed now, yes 18:19:55 I had heard github was burping again this evening 18:20:08 but the earluer failures were in crawl --test in FULLDEBUG builds 18:20:15 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:21 -!- debo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:52 huh, here's a crash somewhere deep in lua 18:21:54 neat 18:21:55 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:32 !source __know_plusses 18:23:34 Couldn't find __know_plusses in the Crawl source tree 18:23:45 !source itemname.cc:1352 18:23:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc;hb=HEAD#l1352 18:23:53 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:24:11 compare this variable's definition to the definition of know_pluses, on line 1372 18:25:17 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:32 -!- RoGGa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:13 -!- RoGGa has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:51 -!- link_1081 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:34:19 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:16 hm 18:37:35 %dagger plus:5 currently generates a +0 dagger 18:37:39 that seems incorrect 18:38:09 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:13 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:39:24 this is very irritating 18:40:09 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:42:42 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:43:07 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:14 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:20 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 18:46:14 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:39 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#447 (master - adcecf6 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build was fixed. 18:50:39 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/9d6b8adbfa52...adcecf6d36d4 18:50:39 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41044077 18:50:39 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:51:46 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:26 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:53:23 Wow, I Fixed The Build 18:54:30 unknown monster: "silver_statue" 18:54:30 %??silver_statue 18:54:36 those are gone? 18:54:53 renamed, I think? 18:55:01 because silver implied zin, or some such 18:55:11 %git :/statue 18:55:11 07doy02 * 0.16-a0-2162-ge700fea: place the player before the statue in the fireworks test 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e700fea9fcb4 18:55:12 obsidian statue (068) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 670 | Sp: sum.minor demon [06!sil], sum.demon [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 18:55:12 %??obsidian statue 18:55:12 obsidian statue (068) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 670 | Sp: sum.minor demon [06!sil], sum.demon [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 18:55:12 %??obsidian statue 18:55:21 right, obsidian 18:55:33 need to make gehenna vaults with them, clearly 18:55:41 messin up my rc like that 18:55:45 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:56 was that one of your tiles? 18:56:02 of course!!!!! 18:56:14 of course. 18:56:17 nice mugl 18:56:20 !hs gammafunk mu 18:56:20 6. gammafunk the Cutter (L8 MuAs of Gozag), slain by uglyjohn's ghost on D:7 on 2014-11-15 00:38:45, with 1840 points after 8625 turns and 0:39:01. 18:56:25 uglyjohn!!! 18:56:26 I decided 18:56:30 !gkills uglyjohn 18:56:32 that finessing with as isn't fun 18:56:32 70 kills by uglyjohn's ghost: 5x uglyjohn, 3x LogicNinja, 2x sergedm, 2x Pitch, 2x tasonir, 2x randumb, Banec, Troglodyte, Vegas, SakuyaIzayoi, sanka, sveltemanboy, zogre, syadasti, geisterkleister, Venter, BRAWW, MorganLeah, deathrave, simpaon, MrRokkomies, Antem, croikle, Rexfelis, laxity, braverobin, lessens, Highplains, IWordsForgot, Tirias, Grithok, archapelego, Crunch, zercules, bromitri, js... 18:56:35 !gkills 18:56:38 12 kills by PleasingFungus's ghost: prospero, caleba, TravelLog, Anranius, VolteccerJack, Ataraxzy, wallyj, PleasingFungus, Centarion, Cardeni, Syneil, wolfstar 18:56:40 !seen bloax 18:56:40 I last saw Bloax at Fri Nov 14 22:29:33 2014 UTC (2h 27m 7s ago) saying '%??thrashing horror hd:19 perm_ench:berserk name:Unnamed' on ##crawl-dev. 18:56:46 hi 18:56:58 I really don't die enough. 18:56:59 Bloax: http://imgur.com/a/tUeaJ here's a template for floors and walls 18:57:27 !lg * ikiller=torpor_snail 18:57:27 122. VashdaNerada the Fighter (L11 DsNe of Makhleb), slain by a yak (led by a torpor snail) on Lair:4 on 2014-11-14 01:07:19, with 15246 points after 17772 turns and 1:06:31. 18:57:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2248-ga66aea8: Let ?/G display the full ^ screen (silentsnack) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 61+ 80-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a66aea8e7355 18:57:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2249-g758ed55: Flatten slightly further 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 42+ 44-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=758ed55a5488 18:57:39 still haven't worked out the right set for rotations/reflections 18:57:46 so, uh 18:57:56 make the two rows tile with eachother? 18:58:19 arrow direction and color should agree 18:58:40 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:58:50 hey Bloax 18:58:54 if you get bored 18:58:59 %git ugliness 18:58:59 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1810-g6609cd9: Extremely ugly things! 10(12 days ago, 18 files, 100+ 55-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6609cd94d0ea 18:59:00 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:06 oh shit 18:59:27 (not at all important but you might enjoy working on that) 18:59:58 i'm already imagining a blowfish-faced tentacled monstrosity 19:00:00 (mainly because I think they're ... extremely unlikely to go anywherr) 19:00:04 s/rr/re/ 19:01:25 well we'll see tomorrow 19:01:38 because i've had my 22 hours of uptime 19:02:00 and it's time do some weekend snoozing 19:02:27 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:03:07 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:04:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:04:28 -!- Taraipher is now known as Taraiph 19:06:27 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:10:16 !lg * ikiller=torpor_snail max=xl 19:10:16 122. bronies4ever the Eclecticist (L20 DEWz of Qazlal), hit from afar by a stone giant (large rock) (led by a torpor snail) on Depths:1 on 2014-10-02 17:16:16, with 319284 points after 61091 turns and 3:56:23. 19:10:24 bronies 4 ever. 19:12:25 !lg nope ikiller=~shrike 19:12:26 1. NOPE the Warrior (L22 NaAK of Lugonu), mangled by a caustic shrike on Depths:3 (hangedman_slaughterboxes) on 2014-11-15 00:39:44, with 359126 points after 80977 turns and 6:45:26. 19:12:29 NOPE 19:12:30 torpor snail (03w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 10 | HP: 54-66 | AC/EV: 8/1 | Dam: 25 | amphibious | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 422 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 19:12:30 %??torpor snail 19:12:34 !lg nope ikiller=~shrike -log 19:12:35 1. NOPE, XL22 NaAK, T:80977: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/NOPE/morgue-NOPE-20141115-003944.txt 19:12:42 !lg * ckiller=torpor_snail 19:12:42 40. Mad4God the Grappler (L11 TrTm of Okawaru), mangled by a torpor snail on Lair:3 on 2014-11-07 08:20:31, with 9734 points after 9858 turns and 1:04:58. 19:12:54 nihil orc poison elementalist 19:13:33 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:34 -!- Big_guy has quit [] 19:14:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:56 -!- penciltax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:24 -!- pentax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:19:50 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:51 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#448 (master - e23fea2 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build is still failing. 19:19:51 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/adcecf6d36d4...e23fea28b741 19:19:51 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41045698 19:19:51 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:20:11 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:51 bh: thanks 19:22:54 that's helpful 19:29:41 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:17 hahahaha 19:30:51 there is, in fact, special case code to prevent someone from placing "goblin ; orb of zot" 19:30:53 I don't know why 19:31:12 somebody hates sprints 19:31:15 (there is no code to prevent goblin ; silver rune of zot) 19:31:17 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:25 okay, somebody doesn' 19:31:29 t completely hate sprints 19:32:17 wait, no, I got it backwards somehow. orb = ok; rune = not ok. 19:32:52 %git 7419762e8 19:32:52 07reaverb02 {wheals} * 0.15-a0-13-g7419762: Remove a goto 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 25+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7419762e8bbd 19:33:26 %git cd725e7bc 19:33:26 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-3116-gcd725e7: Don't enter an infinite loop when generating a rune the player already has. 10(2 years, 3 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd725e7bc22f 19:33:50 confusing 19:35:43 query: with de-monstered mimics, can monsters get mimics yet 19:35:49 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:36:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:39 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#449 (master - 0a13433 : Jesse Luehrs): The build has errored. 19:36:39 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/e23fea28b741...0a134336f505 19:36:39 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41047609 19:36:39 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:36:58 !send PleasingFungus infinite loopiness 19:36:58 Sending infinite loopiness to PleasingFungus. 19:37:06 huh 19:37:11 I wonder if this ever worked 19:37:18 ? 19:37:42 !flatten PleasingFungus 19:38:01 god, 0.10 was ugly as hell. 19:38:28 hm. 19:38:36 I started playing shortly after 0.10 rolled out <_< 19:38:39 so item_spec has plus and plus2 fields... 19:38:42 which are ignored, as far as I can tell. 19:38:46 o_O 19:38:51 how annoying. 19:38:58 mm my OS X VM seems to be up and running 19:39:13 they also default to -1 19:40:15 wait no there it is 19:40:18 you can set plusses on items 19:40:22 but only on manuals or runes of zot 19:40:29 o_O????? 19:40:34 I mean 19:40:36 obviously. 19:41:18 plus2, of course, is completely ignored 19:41:26 !send PleasingFungus ignorance 19:41:26 Sending ignorance to PleasingFungus. 19:41:37 also there are two separate codepaths that can set plus in this function. 19:41:39 very confusing. 19:41:51 !send PleasingFungus !curing 19:41:51 Sending !curing to PleasingFungus. 19:42:06 * PleasingFungus mummifies! 19:42:19 ok, so let's try this. 19:42:36 !death PleasingFungus 19:42:36 Death has come for PleasingFungus... 19:42:57 ?/death has come for the toadstool 19:42:57 Matching entries (1): scythe_of_curses[2]: Death has come for the toadstool... 19:43:03 ?/death has come 19:43:04 Matching entries (2): funny_messages[13]: _Death has come for you... _The reaper shouts, "I have come for you, minmay!" | scythe_of_curses[2]: Death has come for the toadstool... 19:44:04 !death the toadstool 19:44:04 Death has come for the toadstool... 19:45:28 what the fuck. 19:45:30 I understand nothing 19:45:38 gammafunk: it was an unseen horror 19:45:39 !learn add PleasingFungus I understand nothing 19:45:39 pleasingfungus[14/14]: I understand nothing 19:45:53 yes I realize why it was unseen it's just 19:45:58 it's very unusual for d:7 19:46:01 and there were orcs nearby 19:46:08 ooooods 19:46:13 augh why is this high res font code generating halloween-type 19:46:17 I've def. thought "oh unseen" and turns out it was invis damn wizard with haste 19:46:19 even on 1:1 systems 19:46:26 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:46:54 that's some real bad luck but 19:46:57 it happens 19:47:00 and it is only doing it with some things 19:47:39 oh 19:47:40 for 19:47:42 fuck's 19:47:43 sake 19:47:51 alksdfjlaksdf 19:47:59 wizmode is the worst 19:48:04 Grunt: are you sure it's not halloween 19:48:33 it's always halloween. 19:48:34 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:57 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:49:31 Be careful! 19:52:17 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:53:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2250-g39e3340: Set item appearance when changing plus in spec 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39e3340b205f 19:53:32 ^ this was it 19:53:50 spent like an hour hunting down the right place to put this 19:53:53 more or less 19:54:11 aha 19:54:14 I think I have found the problem 19:54:35 ! 19:54:39 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:53 hm, can you do something like x == y == 0 19:55:06 or do you have to do x == 0 && y == 0 19:55:26 the latter, I believe 19:56:35 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:57:50 maybe I should paste the original diff and the result and see if anyone else can spot the problem 19:58:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:25 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#450 (master - 84b8fb8 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build is still failing. 19:58:25 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/0a134336f505...84b8fb858856 19:58:25 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41049092 19:58:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:59:37 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5494313/halloweentype.png 20:02:13 http://sprunge.us/MCaO 20:02:51 hahahah 20:04:03 mm good this works beautifully on my tablet now 20:04:06 high res font goodness!!! 20:05:25 ooh did you manage to get it working with a bluetooth keyboard on iOS? :) 20:05:31 I can test! 20:05:35 johnstein: it works with a bluetooth keyboard on Android............ 20:05:40 sdl2? 20:05:42 yes 20:05:45 sdl2 is a local tiles thing 20:05:48 nothing to do with webtiles 20:05:49 so 20:05:49 rip 20:05:56 that's a bummer 20:06:31 okay here goes 20:06:39 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2023-g3eb713f: Initial high DPI support, mostly for Android. 10(21 hours ago, 5 files, 23+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3eb713f024c6 20:06:39 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2024-gda8ff79: Where high DPI allows, render fonts in high resolution. 10(2 minutes ago, 8 files, 42+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=da8ff79318f9 20:06:40 !seen theTower 20:06:40 I last saw theTower at Sat Nov 15 01:48:33 2014 UTC (18m 2s ago) saying 'it's always halloween.' on ##crawl-dev. 20:06:43 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/test.html is what a buddy set up to test the input. we (he) was going to take a look at the crawl code to see what could be done for crawl 20:07:05 I'm too dumb to know how to help 20:08:32 ??sdl2 20:08:32 sdl2[1/2]: TODO: zooming (base initial scale on display density), fix redraw on resizing, map keycodes better, refactor WME_ framework to line up with SDL2's framework 20:08:33 ??sdl2[2 20:08:33 sdl2[2/2]: Android: stack traces?; watch for more crashes (possibly map-related) 20:10:01 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:10:05 hm I should see how this looks on my phone 20:12:36 !learn edit sdl2[2] s/ // 20:12:37 sdl2[2/2]: Android: stack traces?;watch for more crashes (possibly map-related) 20:12:48 !learn edit sdl2[2] s/stack/a means to re-reveal the keyboard; stack/ 20:12:48 sdl2[2/2]: Android: a means to re-reveal the keyboard; stack traces?;watch for more crashes (possibly map-related) 20:13:51 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:53 pleasingfungus: mmm? 20:14:56 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:15:01 theTower: how much do you know about 20:15:03 spreadsheets 20:15:21 I am not about to calculate charts for shield reform stats 20:15:30 I'm not that crazy 20:15:45 (also since when do I do player balance) 20:15:52 (god balance is different.) 20:16:16 :( 20:16:23 someone's gotta do it!!! 20:16:32 idk. maybe I'll 20:16:33 ask tavern 20:16:36 honestly I am too afraid of mucking things up there 20:16:48 also I'd be afraid of them mucking things up there too but 20:17:30 learn balance!!! 20:17:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:47 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#451 (master - ab09373 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build failed. 20:17:47 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/84b8fb858856...ab09373dbbdf 20:17:47 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41053173 20:17:47 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:18:00 PleasingFungus: rip. 20:18:04 feh 20:18:12 New branch created: brandid (1 commit) 20:18:12 03PleasingFungus02 07[brandid] * 0.16-a0-2251-g716db02: Identify enemy-held weapon brands on sight 10(5 weeks ago, 5 files, 39+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=716db021fe7d 20:18:14 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:20 there we go 20:18:27 please implement asap 20:18:33 uh 20:18:35 I did. 20:18:38 that is the implementation. 20:18:40 it's right there. 20:19:21 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:19:43 lightli is not a coder and does not know the proper terms 20:19:49 what he means to say is to merge asap 20:19:49 o 20:19:51 sorry 20:19:55 that was thoughtless of me 20:20:02 correction 20:20:04 I figured it might be nice to talk with people about it before pushing it. 20:20:06 oh 20:20:07 ok 20:20:14 * Grunt pushes PleasingFungus. 20:20:16 it's been a while since we've talked about it - I forget what the consensus was. 20:20:49 I'm not completely fond of it, but alternate "solutions" are more agonizing and less realized efforts, and I don't think this battle is worth it for me 20:21:03 what are you thinking of? 20:21:52 ...of, as that says, identifying enemy weapon brands on sight? 20:22:14 no I mean 20:22:17 alternate 'solutions' 20:22:22 * theTower shrugs 20:22:43 you can't just say that and then shrug!!!! 20:22:46 It's not allowed!!!!!!! 20:23:06 forcing some brands off the earliest monsters like kobolds, only identifying the absolutely biggest concerns of distortion and holy wrath, 20:23:37 "directly deal with every 'problem' case" 20:24:14 the former I can see, but 20:24:27 the latter just seems like it's saying that brands aren't allowed to be relevant 20:24:36 what about elec? what about flaming for mummies? what about 20:24:38 etc 20:25:21 like I said, I'm shrugging and I don't have that strong of a stake in this! 20:25:32 ok 20:25:54 I'm gonna send out a thing on crd I guess 20:26:02 the most I'd note is that you ought to removing all the vault and monster-specific already-extant fixed-brand-free-identification 20:26:10 in a following commit 20:26:27 I know that should be done 20:26:34 but it's so very irrelevant 20:26:44 idk. I feel like it can be cleaned up at whim 20:26:47 still something to be done! 20:26:49 sure 20:26:54 it was on my todo at one point 20:26:56 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 20:27:10 I can think of one or two places where I deliberately tried to obfuscate things anyway >_> 20:27:29 hiding distortion weapons amongst vorpal weapons in roulette 20:28:04 the idea was to make it so the player doesn't have to wonder if the brand is distortion, right? 20:28:45 more or less. did you read the commit comment? 20:28:46 oh look I can build tiles in my OS X VM with sdl2 20:28:48 \o/ 20:28:49 if not, please do 20:30:22 -!- dead_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:30:57 ash flavor nerfs ;_; 20:31:00 I don't really like the brand id but I don't expect to win this 20:31:04 theTower: :( :( :( 20:31:23 it's fun when you are surprised by a dangerous brand 20:31:28 hooray, more for the "not worth fighting for" camp 20:31:56 (also you make curses even less scary, since you know for sure which weapons are branded and worth trying) 20:32:38 man, curses are so far beyond irrelevant here 20:36:47 PleasingFungus: yea I read it a while back, but I knew there was other discussion. wasn't sure if the rationale had appreciably changed 20:36:58 you didn't read it a while back, because I just wrote it. 20:37:16 :C but it sounded familiar. I must have been remembering the discussion in here 20:37:20 possibly! 20:37:32 or on CRD. 20:37:47 I just know that I barely keep up in here. I hate asking for extra clarification on things that have possibly been discussed to death while I wasn't looking 20:38:30 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2251-g212ecf3: Add a default force-more for SGD's charm ending 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=212ecf382d85 20:39:03 I thought at one point that it could be interesting to gamify it a bit. blurry vision could prevent ID. obviously LoS would affect it. but I couldn't think of anything else interesting to add :/ 20:39:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:39 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#452 (master - a66aea8 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build was broken. 20:39:39 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/ab09373dbbdf...a66aea8e7355 20:39:39 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41061278 20:39:39 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:39:56 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:40:10 traps & doors & brands 20:40:49 just hard to objectively evaluate whether knowing if psyche doesn't have distortion weapon would adversely affect the gaming experience. seems like it could trivialize the encounter. but maybe that just means distortion brands could be more common 20:41:05 s/hard/hard for *me*/ 20:41:10 well, she does also get chaos brand 20:41:15 clearly you want sonja 20:41:22 that too 20:41:30 venom brand, not exactly draining or distortion 20:44:19 -!- pawla has quit [Client Quit] 20:44:41 johnstein: well, right now, you just assume psyche always has distortion. because it's relatively common, and it's a high-risk situation. 20:44:53 likewise, sonja. 20:45:33 so this would mean that sometimes you'd know she doesn't have distortion, and then... honestly, well, she always has chaos, so yeah, like hangedman was saying, sonja is a better example. 20:45:37 except sonja still has curare. 20:45:44 and 20:45:45 yea that 20:46:51 <|amethyst> could just give them distortion all the time 20:46:57 <|amethyst> might be too much of a bonanza though 20:47:11 reminded of pikel's old elec whip 20:47:36 note that psyche always has a dangerous weapon and sonja already IDs her weapon because she switches to the blowgun 20:47:58 erm, pikel's previously much more common elec whip and lost pain whip 20:48:14 pikel would actually be a better example then >_> 20:49:13 -!- Rogue is now known as Guest81648 20:50:41 pikel's often pretty dangerous regardless, tho. especially with his pals. 20:50:48 depends on the char. 20:51:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:10 but elec whip pikel versus freezing whip pikel! 20:52:33 !killratio wiglaf * recent 20:52:35 wiglaf wins 1.207% of battles against * (recent). 20:52:50 !vault uniq_wiglaf 20:52:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des;hb=HEAD#l349 20:54:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:34 saw wiglaf in shoals yesterday 20:54:46 he's so, so bad in shoals. 20:54:56 I suppose _that's_ another, seperate argument for later 20:55:04 give him like 20:55:06 javelins or s/t 20:55:08 idk 20:55:15 buh 20:55:19 just like, generally. 20:55:22 I guess urug does that. 20:55:23 <|amethyst> crossbow would fit better 20:55:24 tomahawks? 20:55:26 o 20:55:28 does he have a shield 20:55:30 a boat 20:55:36 ya he has a shield 20:55:37 sometimes he does 20:55:39 hand crossbow! ! ! ! ! 20:55:47 I thought you would seize an opportunity to less deep water tides in shoals 20:56:05 I guess that doesn't help entirely since there's still going to be a bunch of deep waters 20:56:13 I still want to do that 20:56:15 but code is hard 20:56:18 and I have like 50 projects 20:56:20 anyway LATER 20:56:50 yes, later, as I said 20:56:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141108030205]] 20:58:28 !tell PleasingFungus Every time I've fought mennas/sojobo/asterion I've crushed them therefore they're all garbage!!!!! 20:58:29 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 20:58:48 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:58:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:48 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#453 (master - 758ed55 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build was broken. 20:58:48 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/a66aea8e7355...758ed55a5488 20:58:48 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41061432 20:58:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:59:25 !tell PleasingFungus And furthermore you splatted to SoH in a silly way so all results from your fights are null and void!!!! 20:59:25 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 20:59:29 there 20:59:31 I won 20:59:59 revealing how bad our teamwork is as developpers if we view scenarios as win-lose outcomes. 21:04:13 -!- Guest81648 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:05:52 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:09:55 gammafunk: I'm investigating the sdl2 resize thing 21:10:01 gammafunk: it looks to purely be a text issue 21:10:55 can I set code permissions to read-only for the Grunt group 21:11:04 that way I'd be able to get to it 21:11:18 otherwise the speed 30 patch executioner 21:11:24 I can't get away from it 21:11:30 need dev dispelling breath 21:11:33 * Grunt hits gammafunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! x27 21:14:32 Lasty_, are you here? 21:14:37 are monsters supposed to never be "wandering" when you sac stealth as ru? 21:14:49 they definitely are still sometimes are 21:15:05 409 words for these light pan lord changes 21:15:08 yeesh 21:15:12 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:00 (421) 21:16:51 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:52 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#454 (master - 39e3340 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build failed. 21:16:52 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/758ed55a5488...39e3340b205f 21:16:52 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41064124 21:16:52 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:17:19 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:17:56 <|amethyst> test/stress/run: 11: test/stress/run: time: not found what? 21:20:19 <|amethyst> I had figured travis's would at least has a full Posix build environment; I guess not 21:20:57 <|amethyst> s/'s// 21:22:13 <|amethyst> s/has/have/ 21:23:18 ohhhhh 21:23:25 I think I am beginning to understand the resize hiccups. 21:24:57 I wonder if 21:25:01 in making ant hives 21:25:09 we could consider putting even *more* ants 21:25:12 ANT HIVE 21:25:25 I feel every tile filled with popcorn ants 21:25:27 yesssssssssssssssssssssss 21:25:29 isn't quite enough 21:25:30 I have solved the redraw bug! 21:25:33 can we stack them 21:25:36 in the z-plane 21:25:48 er 21:25:48 wait 21:25:51 this doesn't work very well 21:26:02 I guess going back to the main screen on resize is better than the status quo.... 21:26:23 er 21:26:32 actually this doesn't work very well outside of the main screen 21:27:17 A N T V A U L T 21:27:40 i feel like ant vault might cause you guys more work, though 21:27:46 since it's sure to be filled with bugs 21:29:36 gammafunk: obviously the solution is a formicid knight. 21:29:53 I'd take that over 10000 a! 21:29:56 it has a two-hander and a large shield and it digs out your chokepoint and 21:30:19 |amethyst: I haven't written a proof, but I believe there are eight tiles to transition from a regular tileset over to a reflected tileset 21:30:39 (if anything, I'd like formicid empresses as depths oods with that and some weird earth spells but) 21:30:48 rotations will be another 8, I believe 21:31:19 gammafunk: also, be happy that I limited ant vaults to one per game 21:31:31 <|amethyst> what do you mean "eight tiles to transition"? 21:31:45 yeah it's just much worse than a bee hive I find 21:31:53 |amethyst: if you reflect a tile, you'll never be able to join it to the regular set 21:31:53 there the masses of y are more dangerous and they have the zerk thing 21:32:02 the a are pretty harmless 21:32:09 maybe the queen could do something interesting with them 21:32:10 assuming the standard orientations are {N+, E-, S-, W+} 21:32:12 or another a type 21:32:32 <|amethyst> ah 21:32:45 you need to build tiles that are {N+, E+, S-, W+} 21:33:02 well, they probably shouldn't steal the berserk other specifically, hmmm 21:33:28 if you want even better transitions, it's basically in the terroritory of only being amenable to texture synthesis 21:35:19 while implementing siggraph papers is a pretty cool hobby... 21:35:56 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:35:56 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:36:30 theTower: caustic shrike empress 21:38:37 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:41:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:41:25 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:24 ontoclasm: that is not how birds work 21:43:00 if you want stronger birds clearly give the tengu actual animal assoiciations instead of just a generic birdness 21:43:10 and then you can have your caustic shrike tengu reaver 21:50:41 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:41 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#455 (sdl2 - da8ff79 : Steve Melenchuk): The build has errored. 21:50:41 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/c11cffec0849...da8ff79318f9 21:50:41 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41064884 21:50:41 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:51:44 http://imgur.com/a/wloZf 21:51:53 aren't combinatorics fun? 21:51:54 * theTower cackles lightly 21:52:09 03tenofswords02 07* 0.16-a0-2252-g6090d16: Pan Lord spell adjustments 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 46+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6090d16214a1 21:53:12 that commit doesnt look right 21:53:17 the message rather 21:53:41 why 21:53:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:54:41 - In a much less noticable but significant fashion, I've removed a 21:54:42 no-longer-necessary block on an extra chance to Dig (due to its 21:54:42 * Replace some minimum-level spells in their custom spell lists with 21:54:44 its cut off 21:55:07 <|amethyst> With as long as those bullet points are, I'd have just made them paragraphs 21:55:33 <|amethyst> with empty lines between so there are arrow slits in the wall of text 21:56:42 ...whoops 21:56:59 I knew I should have reviewed my four hundred words a second time 21:57:20 dig used to care about spell slot placement and now that is an unthing 21:57:24 -!- rophy has quit [Client Quit] 21:57:28 <|amethyst> (I should write a script that reports on size of commit message vs size of diff and rewards theTower) 21:57:32 so now it's twice as more common on pan lords!!! 21:57:43 -!- JuicyPear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:58:13 ??bribe_branch 21:58:13 I don't have a page labeled bribe_branch in my learndb. 21:58:16 ??gozag 21:58:16 gozag[1/3]: The greedy god of gold. Turns corpses into gold, may cause enemies to lose turns when fighting next to corpse-gold, lets you use {potion petition}, lets you create shops, bribe branches, and duplicate a non-artefact item once. Does not have a normal piety system. 21:58:35 |amethyst: who do you think would be second 21:59:04 <|amethyst> theTower: some of my commits are up there, but then others are just 'Simplify' 21:59:25 <|amethyst> DO's commit messages are long, but so are his commits 22:00:17 -!- ebering has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:49 oh right, since my game is in pan there's something else I have to do 22:01:04 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:21 for vaults/subvaults, do I have any options for specifying connectivity constraints? 22:01:54 <|amethyst> bh: you have @ signs and the 'transparent' tag 22:02:08 <|amethyst> subvaults I have no idea about 22:02:14 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:03:06 <|amethyst> 'transparent' tag means "don't mask this vault as MMT_OPAQUE" 22:03:39 |amethyst: are @'s respected for subvaults? 22:04:13 <|amethyst> Which means that 1. its passable cells count as passible for connectivity checks and therefore 2. its cells are checked for connectivity to the rest of the level 22:04:28 <|amethyst> as I said, no idea about subvaults :) 22:04:46 <|amethyst> mapdef.cc and dungeon.cc, have fun 22:04:59 <|amethyst> s/^/start at / 22:05:42 <|amethyst> many an hour I've spent tracing through those two files 22:06:04 <|amethyst> all the fun, wonder, and excitement of doing category theory 22:06:09 <|amethyst> without the publications 22:06:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:22 |amethyst: doesn't dpeg do category theory? 22:06:27 <|amethyst> (RIP Grothendieck btw) 22:07:26 (somewhere he wanders the Pyrenees) 22:08:06 <|amethyst> bh: Google scholar looks like algebra, but the boundary is fuzzy so maybe 22:08:30 <|amethyst> "Groups of autoequivalences of derived categories of smooth projective varieties" 22:08:45 <|amethyst> categories and varieties 22:09:26 there's a german word that expresses all of that, right? 22:09:30 hell beast (072) | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 7 | HP: 72-95 | AC/EV: 5/14 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 904 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 22:09:31 %??hell beast hd:7 22:09:48 -!- kipster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:10:34 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:50 Gruppenvonselbstentsprechungenvonabgeleitetenkategorienderglatteprojektivevariettenfreude 22:12:37 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 22:15:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:15:59 are there still meant to be poteions of porridge in the game? 22:16:13 found one in 0.16-a0-2063-g87d9768 22:16:26 spriggan gotta eat, bird gotta fly, man gotta ask why 22:16:44 <|amethyst> chequers: a new game? 22:16:52 <|amethyst> or a new level at least 22:17:20 <|amethyst> oh 22:17:25 <|amethyst> %git ca3af43 22:17:25 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2090-gca3af43: Remove porridge 10(3 days ago, 21 files, 41+ 55-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca3af43a8e8f 22:17:32 |amethyst: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/chequers/morgue-chequers-20141115-041708.txt 22:17:35 <|amethyst> your version's too old :) 22:17:49 oops 22:17:52 hmm...?! 22:18:03 <|amethyst> did the build break? 22:18:37 nope, wonder what's going on 22:18:40 I have a record to keep 22:18:50 03tenofswords02 07* 0.16-a0-2253-gb1db355: Set hell beasts to the top of their HD, AC, EV (but not speed) 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 3+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1db35518433 22:19:37 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20:27 oh, i think i introduced a bug with webtiles config reload 22:20:33 fun 22:20:44 ??gitstats 22:20:44 gitstats[1/3]: http://www.ohloh.net/p/stonesoup 22:21:16 what happened in October 2009? 22:21:26 wait no I want 22:21:28 -!- RoGGa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:21:30 ??gitstats[2] 22:21:30 gitstats[2/3]: http://s-z.org/crawl-stats/ — updated infrequently 22:23:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:31 oh 22:23:31 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:23:33 everything's dying now 22:23:35 that's not so good 22:23:39 what 22:23:45 imo someone else make a commit so travis stops emailing me 22:23:56 what broke 22:24:03 travis 22:24:08 !garbage gammafunk 22:24:16 !send the_garbage gammafunk 22:24:16 Sending gammafunk to the_garbage. 22:25:19 wow this is ugly 22:25:20 but 22:25:20 it works 22:25:30 hm. I wonder if you could randomly generate spells in any kind of sensible way 22:26:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:03 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#456 (brandid - 716db02 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build has errored. 22:26:03 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/commit/716db021fe7d 22:26:03 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41066145 22:26:03 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:26:15 PleasingFungus: as in, create new spells? 22:26:20 ya 22:26:25 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2025-gec867ec: Fix up some screen resize hiccups. 10(8 minutes ago, 14 files, 61+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec867ec667d6 22:26:25 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2026-g95e4a74: Mollify Travis with -lrt when building contrib sdl2. 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e4a74b54df 22:26:26 to make randbooks more exciting 22:26:37 ??sdl2 22:26:37 sdl2[1/2]: TODO: zooming (base initial scale on display density), fix redraw on resizing, map keycodes better, refactor WME_ framework to line up with SDL2's framework 22:26:45 !learn edit sdl2[1] s/fix redraw on resizing, // 22:26:46 sdl2[1/2]: TODO: zooming (base initial scale on display density), map keycodes better, refactor WME_ framework to line up with SDL2's framework 22:27:12 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:12 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#456 (master - 212ecf3 : Nicholas Feinberg): The build is still failing. 22:27:12 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/39e3340b205f...212ecf382d85 22:27:12 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41066148 22:27:12 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:27:17 aaagh 22:27:19 make it stop 22:27:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-2254-g943817a: Remove "time" from stress test. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=943817a3de95 22:27:32 it's failing....you failed... 22:27:40 |amethyst: thank you!!!! 22:27:43 travis does not accept failure...and travis never sleeps 22:28:07 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:13 <|amethyst> I just cancelled the scheduled master builds too 22:28:23 oh gammafunk 22:28:26 were you going to add restab to zigs 22:28:27 PleasingFungus: I think randspells are possible but would be complicated. 22:28:30 <|amethyst> https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41070073 we'll see if this works better 22:28:33 Travis can't be bargained with. Travis can't be reasoned with. Travis doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And Travis absolutely will not stop, ever, until your project is dead. 22:28:36 oh I asked theTower to and he said he would 22:28:36 (Not as complicated as randgods but yeah) 22:28:40 maybe he did? 22:28:44 not a lot more, just some more 22:28:47 reaverb: from a design or technical perspective? 22:28:53 <|amethyst> Grunt: s/project/bugs/ 22:28:55 Both. 22:29:14 Grunt: travis unique imo 22:29:17 he is the ziglord 22:29:23 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:28 gammafunk: considering my current last three or four commits, watch as I get around to it once I reach the zig 22:29:29 hm. maybe 22:29:31 currently in pan 22:29:42 possibly a more constrained project would be reasonable 22:29:47 something for destructionshard 22:29:49 idk. 22:30:08 Grunt: |amethyst: did you have opinions on brand ID 22:30:17 v0v 22:30:21 I am shocked 22:30:33 shocked 22:30:33 pleasingfungus: for a brief moment, I thought you were suggesting randspells for randlords 22:30:41 I should look I guess 22:30:49 there were technical issues people were worried about before? 22:30:53 theTower: could also work, maybe 22:31:17 randacid for vitriol 22:31:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think managing uncertainty is interesting, but when the safe approach is tedious that's a problem 22:31:44 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:00 %git brandid 22:32:00 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2251-g716db02: Identify enemy-held weapon brands on sight 10(5 weeks ago, 5 files, 39+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=716db021fe7d 22:32:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because even if it's not *optimal* per se, it creates bad experiences for the risk-averse 22:32:13 entropy for the randgod! 22:32:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: from a consistency point of view though it makes perfect sense 22:32:31 oh right, since I'm in pan I should technically work on acid explosion ufetubi. 22:32:36 consistency point of view? 22:32:43 what could go wrong. 22:32:48 hrm 22:32:48 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you can see the brand when they switch weapons and it "stops flaming" 22:33:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so why didn't you notice it was flaming the whole time?! 22:33:06 o. ya 22:33:11 gammafunk: okay yes the very first thing that would go wrong is that summoning a ynoxinul is much more agonizing 22:33:13 theme making more sense is a nice bonus 22:33:37 not exactly critical, though :) 22:34:02 theTower: yeah that is a thing wrt ufetubi blowing up; I suppose you could do something like it only affects hostiles 22:34:20 like have you played Halo? 22:34:27 it blows up into those needles from the needle gun 22:34:37 and they shoot at you if you're a foe 22:34:54 that is reasonable, and also probably beyond me :P 22:35:28 oh that'd be pretty easy if we could agree exactly how the mechanic should work; if it's simply, don't hit this adjacent monster because it's not hostile to me, that's pretty simple 22:35:51 others might have opinions on this 22:36:05 it does seem fairly reasonable, even if it's generally not how we do explosions in crawl 22:36:32 when would they blow up, exactly? 22:36:38 was there a specific plan for that? 22:37:40 sort of like bear zerk? an emergency "spell" where they become giant spore like? 22:37:50 don't necessarilly have to change speed, of course 22:37:54 since they're already fast 22:38:03 I was thinking it'd just be a think that happens when they attack >_> 22:38:14 AF_EXPLODE 22:38:15 emergency is bad because ufetubi have next to no health anyway 22:38:32 unknown monster: "ufetubi" 22:38:32 %??ufetubi 22:38:36 and then ynoxinuls are making swarms of acid explosions! 22:38:36 ufetubus (115) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 5, 5 | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 8 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:38:36 %??ufetubus 22:39:00 probably should take them out of ice caves after that 22:39:08 sorry white imps, it's all up to you 22:39:29 hrm, how much damage from explosion where we thinking? 22:39:34 it was to be like 22:39:36 jelly (04J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-21 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Dam: 308(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(10), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 42 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 22:39:36 %??jelly 22:39:50 clearly we need a 4.1 imp for this 22:39:53 it doesn't have to be much, since the obvious appeal is in repeated corrosion attacks 22:40:00 N78291: ????? 22:40:00 -!- eliana has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:02 amorphous imp 22:40:07 maybe 3d3? 22:40:08 was that an actual thing 22:40:15 4.1 had imps for all the spell schools 22:40:20 for call imp 22:40:26 huh. so that would be tmut? 22:40:28 pleasingfungus, acid czar: does acid have to do damage to apply corrosion 22:40:33 czar, huh 22:40:41 I remember the hexes imp was invis and the air imp was fast 22:40:58 don't pretend you didn't release your new prog rock album, Acid Czar 22:41:12 looks like yes 22:41:14 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:41:17 did 4.1 have revision control? 22:41:17 !source beam.cc1504 22:41:18 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc1504;hb=HEAD 22:41:22 hm I have a solution to the keycode mapping thing 22:41:29 just need to figure out how to get it to handle CTRL properly 22:41:29 shop behavior in ctrl+f is really weird 22:41:29 hm 22:41:30 and the conjurations imp had imb's original form? and the summons imp had, of course, call imp 22:41:37 johlstei_: is this the double shop bug 22:41:37 I'm gonna call it broken 22:41:39 shadow imp (065) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 6 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11 | Sp: pain (d8) [06!sil], animate dead [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 22:41:39 %??shadow_imp 22:41:46 yeah its basically treating shops as a shop and a pile of items 22:41:47 I guess I should try to replicate that 22:41:49 gammafunk: erp, that instantly becomes a bit of a problem in meaning anything still 22:41:49 pain is d8, or 4.5 average 22:41:49 ? 22:41:57 although 22:42:06 if I do "show stacks", it shows the shop along with all its items 22:42:08 pleasingfungus: how does af_corrode work 22:42:15 or whatever rust devils have 22:42:18 if I hide them, I can toggle show useless 22:42:26 <|amethyst> reaverb: probably not a *public* repo 22:42:27 af_corrode is indeed the thing rust devils have; it corrodes on hit 22:42:32 to see either all the shops twice, or each shop and the top item of the shops inventory 22:42:33 no damage required, no muss, no fuss 22:42:40 yeah we wouldn't use af_corode though, this is a beam 22:42:44 |amethyst: Ah, thanks. 22:42:48 one shop should be enough to replicate 22:42:51 we're not doinng melee_attack 22:42:55 but two is more illustrative 22:43:11 can spec me on cbro if you want to see 22:43:15 oh, that sounds like it might? be a different bug 22:43:17 I think we'd have to make some kind of low-damage acid beam 22:43:19 not sure 22:43:20 <|amethyst> reaverb: actually, I don't know if there *was* more than one person developing 4.1 22:43:23 and then that'll have a chance at corrosion 22:43:30 gammafunk: just thinking in terms of what exists in terms of corrosion 22:43:38 <|amethyst> reaverb: 4.0, yes, but the impression I got was that 4.1 was mostly bwr 22:43:40 yeah, I mean we can add an exception 22:43:49 so that this beam always procs corrosion 22:43:53 for one it'll always hit 22:44:04 <|amethyst> reaverb: all this is well before my time, but there are 4.0-era devs around occasionally 22:44:15 but we could make it always attempt corrode regardless of damage 22:44:16 |amethyst: Found a referance: 22:44:32 "4.1 was new and excitingly different from b26. I spent a feverish couple of days porting the Travel patch (by now a massive beast) to work with 4.1. Brent accepted the travel patch and /merged it into the Crawl 4.1 svn repository/, which thrilled me to bits." 22:44:43 <|amethyst> ah, nice 22:44:48 beams can check the name of the beam and see like "acid needle explosion right in your grill" 22:44:51 excitingly different is a way you can phrase it 22:45:00 <|amethyst> our repo shares no continuity with that one though 22:45:02 and then do different things compared to just "acid" 22:45:05 So there was a repository at some point. Wonder if it would be possible to track it down <_< >_> 22:45:22 gammafunk: in terms of _how current acid mechanics work_, I mean 22:45:48 <|amethyst> reaverb: problem is it was a SVN repository so there was probably one copy 22:45:56 Oh, yes :( 22:46:06 yeah well, it's just a decision: be consistent with beams/bolts of acid or dont', unless you' mean you're considering just giving them af_corrode melee 22:46:06 stilly not-distributed source control schemes :D 22:46:14 s/stilly/stilly/ 22:46:16 <|amethyst> git is actually a backup system 22:46:32 we will probably have to go with don't 22:46:37 <|amethyst> make everyone who wants to compile your code keep the project's full history 22:46:47 also nice use of apostrophes there gammafunk-twelwe 22:46:49 otherwise any ac will laugh at ever being corroded in the first place 22:47:06 and then they might as well be exploding darts 22:47:47 03bh02 07[domino] * 0.16-a0-2447-gbf64415: Merge branch 'master' into domino 10(3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf6441553535 22:47:57 ??pentagram card 22:47:57 pentagram card[1/1]: Summons a demon, greater common or lesser by power rank. Always friendly. Found in decks of summoning (and indirectly, war) 22:48:06 <|amethyst> if this is for needles... needles shouldn't do damage 22:48:11 oh, you'd like the beam damage to ignore ac? 22:48:19 lightli: like heck I'm about to update all the learndb entries 22:48:21 |amethyst: no it's for (maybe) exploding uftebui..things 22:48:24 <|amethyst> oh 22:48:35 -!- Oxybeles has quit [] 22:49:19 I wonder if it'd just be better to maybe have ynox not summon the dang things and buff ynox in other ways 22:49:20 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:20 gammafunk: probably, since my concern is the "if a hit does no damage then acid can't corrode" 22:49:27 there is that. 22:49:29 didn't it get nerfed so that it doesn't make rank 1s anymore 22:49:36 <|amethyst> is this an actual explosion?> 22:49:46 lightli: ah, yes, an overall nerf due to the pan lord accompaniment 22:49:51 rip nemelex being better at demon summoning than makhleb and spellcasters 22:49:52 well, I mean 22:49:55 those things are infamously weak. 22:49:58 ok take that back 22:50:00 what are ynoxinuls if not popcorn spammers? 22:50:03 like, serious question 22:50:06 they have popcorn and iron shot 22:50:10 and they're kinda blue 22:50:11 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:50:11 %??pandemonium lord 22:50:23 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:23 well that's what the problem may be; don't make them just have popcorn 22:50:30 they are an iron themed 3 22:50:33 actually, I was just routing around in pan lord code, it's better looking than that 22:51:02 gammafunk: what does iron themed mean besides iron shot 22:51:15 does it mean more omni-resistant high-ac tanks 22:51:26 <|amethyst> rMagnet- 22:51:27 yeah whatever we want within reason, obviously 22:51:41 How full are the 3 ranks these days anyhow 22:51:42 ??3 22:51:42 3[1/1]: The tier 3 demons. They are: {sun demon}, {smoke demon}, {soul eater}, {neqoxec}, {ice devil}, {chaos spawn}, {ynoxinul}. 22:51:57 ??4 22:51:57 4[1/1]: The tier 4 demons. They are: {blue devil}, {red devil}, {iron devil}, {hellwing}, {orange demon}, {sixfirhy}. 22:52:02 yeah you could probably just remove ynox tbh 22:52:04 gammafunk: let's move hell beasts to 3 imo 22:52:08 I mean there's what 22:52:08 hrm 22:52:15 that one ridiculous trove vault 22:52:21 that has ynoinul in a cage 22:52:24 not a bad idea 22:52:26 ??2 22:52:26 2[1/1]: The tier 2 demons. Summoned, along with {1}s, by {Summon Greater Demon}. They are: {balrug}, {blizzard demon}, {shadow demon}, {cacodemon}, {green death}, {hell beast}, {hellion}, {lorocyproca}, {reaper}, {tormentor}. 22:52:27 specifically to spam ufetubi and annoy you 22:52:30 (sorry for adding those ynox in cages) 22:52:30 yeah 2 is like 22:52:32 pre full 22:52:36 (look, they used to be vampires.) 22:52:38 hahah 22:52:43 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html 22:52:45 counterpoint: ynoxinul have a cool name 22:52:48 (would you prefer orange rats.) 22:52:53 also 22:52:53 ??ynoxinul 22:52:53 ynoxinul[1/1]: Probably the fifth most dangerous of the common demons; casts painful iron shots, and if you try to run away summons ufetubi (which move faster than you and are hard to kill - rapid immobilization) 22:52:53 ??anagram 22:52:53 anagram[1/4]: ynoxinul <-> unix only 22:53:01 ynoxinul really annoy certain canadian tiles players 22:53:02 ynoxinul (113) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-43 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 12 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 210 | Sp: iron shot (3d16) [06!sil], sum.ufetubus [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:53:02 %??ynoxinul 22:53:04 are hard to kill 22:53:06 are hard to kil 22:53:09 <|amethyst> lots of bluish space in the 3s and 1s 22:53:10 are hard to - what? 22:53:15 wow, unix only 22:53:17 Eh, they have iron shot, that's not bad for a rank 3 22:53:28 |amethyst: imo we should design 1s and 3s until we're blue in the face 22:53:33 ..... 22:53:46 also can hell beasts go down to rank 3 or 4 22:53:49 hell beast (072) | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 7 | HP: 40-96 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 617 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 22:53:49 %??hell beast 22:53:52 rank 4 22:53:56 * Grunt tramples Lightli!!!!!!! 22:53:57 I'm not certain rank 4 22:54:02 is a *good* fit for them 22:54:03 three, that's big damage for a 4 22:54:07 they literally just got buffed 22:54:11 yes! 22:54:18 %git HEAD^{/ell beast} 22:54:18 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-2253-gb1db355: Set hell beasts to the top of their HD, AC, EV (but not speed) 10(42 minutes ago, 3 files, 3+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1db35518433 22:54:19 they could probably survive being 3s still, but I mean, give a little respect at least 22:54:20 oh 22:54:31 yeah a 3 I could see 22:54:33 PleasingFungus: What do you think the best way to implement Makhleb giving extra piety for kills would be, while the new godconduct code is fresh in your mind? :D 22:54:33 sun demon (083) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-67 | AC/EV: 10/12 | Dam: 3004(fire:10-19) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(80), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 804 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:54:33 %??sun demon 22:54:35 a 3 is respectable 22:54:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:47 They'd be maybe a bit stronger than sun demons 22:54:47 <|amethyst> theTower: sorry, you're not going to get a monster rebuild until I get off my ass and move it to cszo 22:54:49 reaverb: um. 22:54:52 geez, wait 22:54:57 are they ..oh not speed 22:54:58 reaverb: so one problem is, I still don't understand the whole piety_denom system. 22:54:59 3 would make them appear more if that is wanted 22:55:00 |amethyst: that is okay, it is a very minor buff. 22:55:09 reaverb: I faithfully ported it into a new framework, but I don't comprehend it at all. 22:55:21 it would be a buff for summoners 22:55:24 you might say PleasingFungus is 22:55:26 !glasses 22:55:26 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:55:27 hell beast (072) | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 7 | HP: 72-95 | AC/EV: 5/14 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 904 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 22:55:27 %??hell beast hd:7 22:55:28 non-denominational 22:55:31 not really much of one 22:55:35 that is them being less random 22:55:35 ergghhhh. 22:55:39 that was something else 22:55:40 PleasingFungus: Basically the actually piety_change is (piety_change/piety_denom) 22:55:52 reaverb: yeah of course but 22:55:57 we can tweak them down a bit if they're too strong I guess 22:56:01 at 3, I mean 22:56:03 piety change is related to denominator is related to level 22:56:06 in a weird way 22:56:08 <|amethyst> because some people (*ahem*, casts eyes) complain whenever we use a floating-point variable 22:56:13 massive geryon buffs after he already became irrelevant 22:56:14 ??2 22:56:14 2[1/1]: The tier 2 demons. Summoned, along with {1}s, by {Summon Greater Demon}. They are: {balrug}, {blizzard demon}, {shadow demon}, {cacodemon}, {green death}, {hell beast}, {hellion}, {lorocyproca}, {reaper}, {tormentor}. 22:56:17 ... 22:56:19 |amethyst: he's right!!! 22:56:21 nerfs, I mean nerfs. 22:56:22 floating point is the devil 22:56:31 what kind of devil, a 2? 22:56:36 hairy devil 22:56:45 <|amethyst> floating point in ray.cc is certainly a '2' or '1' at least 22:56:46 I think it's the devil if you don't like thinking about numerical things 22:56:49 devils are 4 apparently 22:56:52 but programmers are supposed to like doing that? 22:56:59 what? no 22:57:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk: because I don't like thinking about numerical things 22:57:03 |amethyst: it's an & 22:57:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that involves calculus 22:57:08 PleasingFungus: Yeah, i found that awkward. I was just going to muliple makhleb piety by 1.x or something. 22:57:09 cacodemon (082) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 84-113 | AC/EV: 11/10 | Dam: 22, 22 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev, regen | Res: 06magic(160), 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1625 | Sp: b.energy (3d20) [06!sil], slow [06!sil], confuse [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil], dig [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:57:09 %??cacodemon 22:57:09 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and continuous variables 22:57:10 it's the devil if you like having consistent, reproducible cross-platform results 22:57:18 and just consistency in general 22:57:28 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:32 consistency? in a roguelike??? 22:57:33 reaverb: you could slap in a hack sort of like the one yred or dith has 22:57:39 dith might be the closest analogy 22:57:44 have? eh 22:57:47 well it doesn't really make sense as a complaint; floating point does things that you simple can do with integers 22:57:48 PleasingFungus: Yeah but it's a hack :( 22:57:57 I mean using floating point when an int will suffice, sure 22:58:12 <|amethyst> we should really have a class for rationals 22:58:17 ^ 22:58:20 ya 22:58:24 clearly we need to bring back pit fiends 22:58:25 <|amethyst> rather than passing around "scale" parameters everywhere 22:58:30 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:58:31 ya 22:58:41 anyway, I would want to keep ynoxinuls in some effortful way, they have a good name and a unique (if stupid) role and a significant chunk of abyss weight and 3 variety 22:58:43 they attack by making shaft traps 22:58:55 PleasingFungus: btw what do you think of renaming "_god_likes_killing" to "_god_likes_kill" 22:59:03 fine by me 22:59:18 lightli: wire fiends with bramble-haunt and lrd and torment and 27 ev 22:59:28 WIRE FIEND 22:59:35 !source godconduct.cc:900 22:59:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godconduct.cc;hb=HEAD#l900 22:59:41 |amethyst: I'm not sure how you can say floatig point lets you not think about calculus and continuous variables. When you use floating point to calculate an integral with quadrature or whatever, are you not thinking about calculus and continuous variables? 22:59:46 1s don't like ev for some reason 22:59:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, no 22:59:57 what monster has the highest EV 23:00:02 exempting test spawners and player ghosts 23:00:18 ereshkigal 23:00:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'm saying I don't like thinking about numerical things 23:00:21 Ereshkigal (16&) | Spd: 14 | HD: 18 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Dam: 4013(drain) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12959 | Sp: b.cold (3d27) [06!sil], silence [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil], paralyse [06!sil], major healing [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:00:21 %??ereshkigal 23:00:27 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 1/28 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 04napalm | XP: 3705 | Sp: dimension anchor, slow, haste, mass confusion, strip resistance, invisibility [04emergency], deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 23:00:27 %??the enchantress 23:00:28 is just short 23:00:39 the ev bar is specifically scaled to ereshkigal 23:00:53 ha 23:00:59 likewise, ac and dispater 23:01:13 anyway. piety for kills looks something like 23:01:28 man, if there's any demon-related work I'd like done 23:01:31 time to 23:01:32 vanquish 23:01:34 the horrible crawlcode 23:01:40 Grunt: !?!?!? 23:01:47 03Grunt02 07[sdl2] * 0.16-a0-2027-gf5d2995: Use SDL_TEXTINPUT for most keys again. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5d29954f44d 23:01:48 it's this bizarre thing where pan levels don't change tile colours anymore 23:01:48 the keybinding? 23:01:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: floating point requires you to think about those things to do it correctly 23:01:51 theTower: they don't? 23:01:53 PleasingFungus: the morning keymapping has vanquished the horrible crawlcode. 23:02:06 // ??? 23:02:10 pleasingfungus: well, I've had two seperate games 23:02:10 yeah, that's what I was saying. Maybe I got confused about who was against what 23:02:14 ??sdl2 23:02:14 sdl2[1/2]: TODO: zooming (base initial scale on display density), map keycodes better, refactor WME_ framework to line up with SDL2's framework 23:02:22 !learn edit sdl2[1] s/map keycodes better, // 23:02:23 sdl2[1/2]: TODO: zooming (base initial scale on display density), refactor WME_ framework to line up with SDL2's framework 23:02:29 ??sdl2[2] 23:02:29 sdl2[2/2]: Android: a means to re-reveal the keyboard; stack traces?;watch for more crashes (possibly map-related) 23:02:39 and now a pulled up wizmode game 23:02:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I *am* for eliminating reals in ray.cc etc 23:02:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but that's purely for selfish practical reasons :) 23:03:12 <|amethyst> s/reals/floating-point/ 23:03:20 I'm in master and local tiles and pan levels don't change wall/floor tiles except for the unrandlords overriding it 23:03:32 it just returns to one specific pan look per game 23:03:36 huh 23:03:39 that seems odd 23:03:55 maybe it's my fault for local tiles >_> 23:04:06 (Z + victim_xl + X - you.xl / Y) / (victim_xl + X - you.xl / Y) 23:04:10 ^ piety for kills 23:04:26 Dispater (06&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 450 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9455 | Sp: sum.greater demon [06!sil], crystal spear (3d35) [06!sil], iron shot (3d29) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:04:26 %??dispater 23:04:34 where X is something like 18, Y is something like 2, and Z is something like -6 23:05:01 <|amethyst> theTower: are they still colourful in console? 23:05:04 resolving to e.g. (12 + victim_xl - you.xl / 2) / (18 + victim_xl - you.xl / 2) 23:05:34 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it asymptotically approaches 1 as victim_xl - you_xl/2 increases 23:05:37 yeah 23:06:02 TSO and Zin don't have the you.xl scaling 23:06:23 collateral kill have a smaller X-value (10 instead of 18) 23:06:33 |amethyst: ugh, now I have to make console :P 23:06:36 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:36 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#459 (sdl2 - 95e4a74 : Steve Melenchuk): The build has errored. 23:06:36 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/da8ff79318f9...95e4a74b54df 23:06:36 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41069997 23:06:36 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:06:43 bye travis 23:06:52 different holinesses have different Z - NATURAL is -6, HOLY is -3, _piety_bonus_for_holiness has the full list 23:06:57 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:06:58 <|amethyst> unable to connect to github.com 23:07:07 I don't have a strong intuition for which of those things are good for the player, and which are bad 23:07:20 nooooooooooooooooooooo 23:07:23 travis you traitor 23:07:29 well, larger Z (smaller absolute value) is probably good 23:07:35 <|amethyst> for a site that requires github to work, that seems like a kind of big deal 23:07:45 ya 23:07:47 it keeps doing that 23:08:48 -!- nathrakh has quit [Quit: nathrakh] 23:08:56 -!- RoGGa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:09:01 anyway I'm kind of happy with where sdl2 is at now 23:09:02 : ) 23:09:04 hm. I should graph this 23:09:06 Grunt: :) :) :) 23:09:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and X being big is also good (so the +Z has less of an effect) 23:09:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's: 23:09:48 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: 1 + z/(xl + x - yxl/y) 23:09:57 what I should do 23:09:58 is 23:10:00 xl is you.xl? 23:10:04 check that this input code works on all platforms 23:10:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: victim xl 23:10:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I wrote yxl for you.xl 23:10:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but I mean 23:11:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the z/denom part is the important one 23:11:24 <|amethyst> more negative z means the number will be lower 23:11:43 <|amethyst> (further from 1) 23:12:06 if you could add some reasonable comments about this in godconduct.cc:433-438, I'd appreciate it. Z is piety_bonus, X is piety_denom_bonus, Y is xl_denom 23:12:11 the names are bad because I didn't understand them 23:12:34 they're used on :900 23:16:16 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:17:46 |amethyst: local console still has colourful pan 23:18:05 so, it seems to be just the sinful local tiles 23:18:43 what's this about 23:18:45 sinful local tiles 23:20:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: about to commit this, but I'd suggest renaming piety_bonus since it's pretty much always negative 23:20:39 grunt: pan ain't changing colours 23:20:43 :| 23:20:47 I swear I fixed that at some point in the past 23:20:49 * Grunt investigates 23:20:53 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: renaming it and making it always positive instead :) 23:21:55 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-2254-g943817a (34) 23:24:01 |amethyst: what name would you suggest? 23:24:07 hm 23:24:09 piety_penalty? 23:24:12 You feel you are being watched by something. @player_only@ 23:24:12 I guess I never fixed pan 23:24:13 but 23:24:14 it's easy to fix 23:24:24 * Grunt tests the fix... 23:24:31 oh, a lot of players will be very happy to hear that! 23:24:34 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:24:35 finally, pan will be fixed. 23:24:42 this is gonna make extended a lot more fun! 23:24:49 !hellfire PleasingFungus 23:24:49 * Sequell ends PleasingFungus in hellfire! You hear a strangely unpleasant explosion. 23:25:02 fair enough :) 23:25:59 sequell, where's !noise, how else will we get strangely pleasant explosions 23:26:19 Sequell makes a sudden noise! You hear @wpn_noise@ 23:26:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re names I could be a smartass 23:26:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and say piety_malus 23:26:33 auuugh 23:26:37 !banish |amethyst 23:26:37 PleasingFungus casts a spell. |amethyst is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:27:12 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:46 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I can't at the moment think of anything better than piety_penalty 23:27:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: except *maybe* just penalty 23:28:05 !penalise |amethyst 23:28:20 sounds like an absolute penalty for the conduct, which it's not 23:28:33 whereas piety penalty is... a penalty to piety...? 23:28:35 idk 23:28:38 it's weird 23:29:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: struct like_response { struct { int penalty; int denom; int xl_denom; } piety; }; 23:29:29 <|amethyst> :) 23:29:47 <|amethyst> but yeah, might as well call it piety_penalty then 23:30:02 <|amethyst> I'd consider giving like_response an operator() 23:30:06 piety_tax 23:31:08 <|amethyst> I might do that 23:31:13 hm. so you'd call divine_likes[you.religion][thing_done](level, victim) 23:31:15 ? 23:31:48 and that would probably include everything currently in if (divine_likes[you.religion].count(thing_done)) { ... } 23:31:52 the 886 block 23:32:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, I guess that would work too 23:32:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was thinking just the formula that takes level 23:32:28 idk. I kind of want that whole if-block to be in a separate function 23:32:32 I don't like large indented blocks 23:32:35 <|amethyst> (and returning a numerator and denominator) 23:32:46 that sounds like a nice function 23:32:51 <|amethyst> Yeah, that one would be good to put in like_response anyway 23:33:06 <|amethyst> I think having the formula in yet another function wouldn't be terrible 23:33:20 <|amethyst> except that returning two things is a (very minor) pain 23:33:22 no yeah that would be good 23:33:29 just return it in some baby struct 23:33:31 a pair, maybe 23:33:34 <|amethyst> yeah 23:38:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:14 crawl-ref/crawl-ref#460 (master - 943817a : Neil Moore): The build has errored. 23:38:14 Change view : https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/compare/b1db35518433...943817a3de95 23:38:14 Build details : http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/41070073 23:38:14 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:39:31 github 23:42:11 rip. 23:44:24 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-2255-g8c88924: Make Pan tile colours match console colours. 10(18 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c889247a67b 23:44:24 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-2256-g1e8e0b6: Generate bright versions of the Pan wall/floor tiles. 10(73 seconds ago, 2 files, 80+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e8e0b63cae3 23:44:50 aw, man, did you just turn off pan flesh walls? 23:45:13 make an ETC_FLESH 23:45:14 then we'll talk 23:45:15 <_< 23:45:20 hm 23:45:25 !vault wizlab_cigotuvi 23:45:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des;hb=HEAD#l1107 23:45:54 lightred apparently.........? 23:47:16 occasionaly 23:49:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-2257-g39c7246: Use TILE_WALL_FLESH for LIGHTRED Pan walls (PleasingFungus). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39c7246e0d7a 23:49:56 happy??????? 23:49:57 :) 23:50:31 -!- mong has quit [Quit: uuuuuuuuugh] 23:50:57 hooray 23:51:02 I shall now instantly check it 23:52:00 is the cost for being able to use gozag's call shop supposed to be higher than the highest shop price in the list? 23:52:18 Grunt: mega happy 23:52:19 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52:37 (my last one cost 3200 to use, but the highest price shop was 2643) 23:52:40 N78291: I believe so; the idea is that you should be able to buy even the most expensive shop it generates 23:52:44 *it can generate 23:52:47 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:52:57 N78291: you're not actually charged the moment you use the ability 23:53:08 N78291: the listed cost can be thought of as an "upper bound" (you must have this much money to use this ability) 23:54:19 the shop quality seems good (with my one game experience anyway), most of my items are shop bought 23:55:34 good 23:55:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:56:00 I was trying to think how G might make mugl more tolerable 23:56:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:08 I may go into orc before lair 23:56:18 You cannot move closer to the satyr! 23:56:18 You cannot move away from the siren! 23:56:22 That's not nice... 23:56:37 good time for ?noise or /lighting or /fireball 23:56:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:55 oops didn't mean to post in dev 23:56:56 but yeah 23:57:35 the gold distraction seems kind of weird, I don't think it does much if you aren't stealthy (and even then if you aren't stabbing, it is good mostly for stopping things from following) 23:57:53 it did help me a bit a few times that I noticed 23:57:55 gold distraction seems to do almost nothing 23:57:58 I've been watching for it 23:58:02 but it just doesn't trigger 23:58:03 idk 23:58:05 well for one thing it ends when you hit them 23:58:20 man, plants in layout_gridville in pan 23:58:24 which makes sense, but isn't very helpful 23:58:26 I think there were like 3 instances when I noticed it causing an enemy to stop following me 23:58:34 imo make them demonic plants????