00:02:30 -!- kickascii has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:02:35 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503 (34) 00:02:59 !tell edlothiol fyi, this was updated ~48hrs ago https://github.com/uiri/toml 00:02:59 checkers: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 00:12:03 -!- Kramell has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:20:45 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:17 if anyone's still awake, how does https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=194952#p194952 look? 00:23:04 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:23:26 -!- mkbehr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:56 interesting 00:25:54 I'd be fine with it myself with the no star for bottom 00:26:00 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:28:46 thinking about implementing it 00:28:48 seems classy 00:35:58 we mix ints and shorts terrifyingly often 00:37:25 I like it 00:37:46 I like your idea very special plaything is ****** (6 star) 00:38:16 his idea, and it's "......", not "******" 00:38:23 ouch 00:38:28 reading fail 00:38:34 rip 00:38:49 I like that idea too 00:38:54 6 dots 00:39:07 my opinion matters! 00:39:14 !lg . --ck 00:39:15 7. johnstein the Skirmisher (L3 PlCK of Xom), slain by a gnoll (a +0,+0 whip) on D:2 on 2014-05-21 04:59:31, with 62 points after 1552 turns and 0:08:00. 00:39:40 :) 00:40:23 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:28 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:53:47 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:05:55 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:31 !tell |amethyst http://sprunge.us/BRUT 01:07:32 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 01:08:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141027030204]] 01:09:25 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:46 -!- roctavian has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:10:20 -!- inhuman has left ##crawl-dev 01:11:00 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:04 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 01:14:06 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:16:38 -!- Artelis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:18:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503 (34) 01:23:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:27:11 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 01:28:41 -!- coledot has quit [Client Quit] 01:30:19 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:36:41 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:24 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:37:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39:21 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:44:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:46:24 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:47:22 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 01:48:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503 01:50:15 -!- Artelis has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:52:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:54:13 -!- kipster has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:54:50 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:01:06 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:03:48 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:06:01 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:53 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:19:02 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1714-g3438503 (34) 02:27:29 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:32:06 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:32:48 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 02:32:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:33:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:35:29 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:37:27 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:42:57 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:17 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:53:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:07 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:13:38 asd 03:14:34 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:29:35 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:34:35 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:36:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:39:13 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:22 -!- Pluie|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:13 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:43:18 -!- Mottikins__ is now known as FaMott 03:43:59 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:46:29 my server enters open beta! http://crawl.project357.org/ 03:47:15 :o 03:48:09 -!- zardo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:50:10 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:59 -!- Pluie|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:07:08 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:27:59 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:17 -!- ddd has quit [Client Quit] 04:33:23 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:10 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:28 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:40:29 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:40:36 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45:06 -!- _Jordan__ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:45:40 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:45 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:54:47 !tell PleasingFungus I like the Xom toy meter proposal! 04:54:47 dpeg_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 04:56:13 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:58:08 !seen doy 04:58:09 I last saw doy at Tue Oct 28 19:05:48 2014 UTC (14h 52m 21s ago) saying 'no idea' on ##crawl-dev. 05:07:15 !tell checkers your javascript is currently unminified; if you can install node.js, make webserver will minify it to improve load times 05:07:16 edlothiol: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:07:16 edlothiol: OK, I'll let checkers know. 05:11:12 !messages 05:11:12 No messages for Marbit. 05:20:13 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:20:57 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:57 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:08 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:28:18 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:29:20 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:31:19 -!- Holden has quit [Client Quit] 05:36:31 -!- Holden has quit [Client Quit] 05:42:46 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:55:32 -!- geedmat has quit [Client Quit] 05:56:26 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 06:03:25 -!- rophy123 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:08:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 06:10:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:13:10 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:02 -!- dark_star has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:24:48 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:25:42 edlothiol: I'm here, I read highlights :) 06:25:42 checkers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:25:46 !messages 06:25:47 (1/1) edlothiol said (1h 18m 31s ago): your javascript is currently unminified; if you can install node.js, make webserver will minify it to improve load times 06:36:54 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:41:38 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:56 -!- Mandragora has quit [Client Quit] 06:42:23 -!- Guest2822 has quit [Client Quit] 06:50:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:59 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:53:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:55:10 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:58:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:58:22 -!- Shados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read it. 10:24:32 which bodes well for the hypothetical splitup project 10:24:50 yeah, true 10:24:58 when I first suggested it, way way back, nrook said that enum.h was one file for 'c performance reasons', something like that 10:25:09 that sounds like nonsense to me 10:25:15 might have been something about compile times? 10:25:34 the reason i want to split it up is because of compile times 10:25:46 bold! 10:25:48 it is quite frustrating to have to recompile every single thing every time you touch something in enum.h 10:25:48 oh 10:26:02 speaking of things that make you compile the entire project every time you touch them 10:26:06 did you see my union patch 10:26:10 no 10:26:17 http://sprunge.us/BRUT just wrote it last night 10:26:32 ...properly it should be at least two commits, but it'd be a pain to split up now... 10:26:32 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:26:48 oh, nice 10:26:49 i approve 10:26:53 :) 10:27:01 "book_thing" 10:27:03 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:23) 10:27:15 I went to the code to find out what that was actually used for 10:27:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:27:36 // NOTE: What's this do? 10:27:37 book.book_thing = disc1_pos | (disc2_pos << 8); 10:27:46 haha 10:27:59 the note was there before my changes :( 10:28:15 it may actually be used for two different things; I have no idea 10:28:34 like, two different things *within the context of randbook generation* 10:29:52 %git 86acd0c 10:29:53 07jpeg02 * 0.8.0-a0-4924-g86acd0c: Greatly simplify randart book generation. 10(3 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 60+ 111-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86acd0ce5263 10:30:32 -!- GenghisKhan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:31:39 oh, i guess that one just moved it around 10:31:43 ya 10:31:49 simplified! 10:31:57 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:32:27 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1716-gc8ebc82: also differentiate staves and rods 10(9 minutes ago, 4 files, 12+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8ebc82e69dd 10:32:27 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1717-g8f3bc8f: the singular of "staves" is "staff" 10(4 minutes ago, 6 files, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f3bc8f6e4a3 10:34:29 hm. 10:34:31 the damndest thing 10:34:36 so is anyone around who is an expert on using options like item_glyph 10:34:38 is that I am not sure that plus2 is ever actually used 10:34:47 in the current generation code 10:35:01 it is *very* carefully stored, but I think it is never actually accessed... 10:35:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: generation code? 10:35:10 if only your union patch had been in there before... 10:35:11 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:35:14 specifically I can't figure out how to change my rc to remove the stuff in dat/defaults/glyph_colours.txt 10:35:19 |amethyst: randbook generation code, soryy 10:35:21 *sorry 10:35:55 item_glyph -= good_item.*(potion|scroll):cyan 10:35:58 should probably work 10:36:01 it's pretty dumb though 10:36:07 item_glyph -= useless.*(potion|scroll|missile|armour|weapon):darkgrey 10:36:10 does not work 10:36:15 ^= ? 10:36:35 doy: that is what I thought, but... 10:36:54 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:37:12 apparently all my items use default glyphs, mon_glyph uses just plain '=' though 10:37:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1718-gfe1920c: Flatten & pull out some deck name code 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 84+ 60-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe1920c2ec65 10:37:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1719-g454bb91: Make some dbg-scan bad item checks arguably less bad 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=454bb9199008 10:37:44 <|amethyst> item_glyph doesn't seem to support -= 10:38:07 <|amethyst> or ^= for that matter 10:38:18 <|amethyst> or, rather, everything is treated as += 10:38:40 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:38:43 wasn't someone saying it used a weird legacy syntax, yesterday...? 10:38:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:39:25 that is unfortunate 10:39:31 well 'item_glyph = long sword : X' works for me 10:39:40 I don't know about any of this other black magic 10:39:45 i thought we got rid of all of those old legacy syntaxes 10:39:45 IMO we shouldn't force the stuff in glyph_colours.txt on people then 10:39:50 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:53 until this is fixed 10:40:22 oh, I was thinking of item_colour 10:40:24 sorry 10:40:58 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41:00 ( 11:59:01 is there any reason why item_colour uses the format item:colour whereas menu_colour uses [type:]colour:item ? 10:41:02 11:59:55 i think item_colour was based on mon_glyph, which uses the former syntax ) 10:41:08 <|amethyst> add one more param to _handle_list, a function mapping strings to T 10:41:59 <|amethyst> then add_item_glyph_override can go away, and we can use a LIST_OPTION and pass parse_mon_glyph() through that parameter 10:42:21 <|amethyst> or, well 10:42:28 <|amethyst> I guess it's a little more complicated than that 10:42:46 <|amethyst> but should be possible to do in a way that doesn't duplicate code 10:43:26 <|amethyst> (just need a wrapper to do the split_string, parse_mon_glyph, and pair construction) 10:44:09 <|amethyst> it's more complicated for add_feature_override since that's not building a list 10:44:39 <|amethyst> and mon_glyph_overrides uses a map 10:44:52 <|amethyst> ack, it's late; must go 10:45:06 !banish |amethyst 10:45:07 PleasingFungus casts a spell. |amethyst is devoured by a tear in reality! 10:45:19 s/a tear in// 10:45:49 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:47:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141027030204]] 10:47:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:25 !tell pleasingfungus we can't steal monsters from homestuck, nethack already did that (ok unnethack) 10:48:26 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:50:53 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:55:05 -!- GenghisKhan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:25 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:04:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:05:07 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:05:13 wow i missed him by 14 seconds 11:09:12 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:11:57 !send wheals trolls 11:11:58 Sending trolls to wheals. 11:12:18 !lg * tr dith sk=invo 11:12:19 No games for * (tr dith sk=invo). 11:13:30 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:14:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:00 // Shortcuts 11:15:05 const int item_plus2 = plus2; 11:15:52 apparently spectral krakens don't get spectral tentacles 11:15:53 of course, this is an object's method 11:15:54 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:16:00 so you could literally refer to it as "plus2" 11:16:05 within the method 11:16:08 well they do but for some reason they aren't called spectral tentacles 11:16:37 well, I mean, I guess that "shortcut" does. 11:16:47 wheals: you saw my union patch, then? 11:17:07 yeah 11:17:29 heh, uranium imps. cute design. 11:17:43 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:26 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1720-g3df42fe: update options_guide.txt 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3df42fe01377 11:18:26 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1721-gd44e868: remove dec, ibm, and old_unicode as csets 10(3 minutes ago, 7 files, 183+ 74-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d44e868ee4e6 11:18:30 -!- tabstorm has quit [Client Quit] 11:19:06 also simulacrum/spectral krakens' tentacles slide back into the water when they die 11:19:29 I wonder how many people have actually even seen either of the two 11:19:35 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:42 ah ha. yeah, plus2 has been unused in book gen for over three years 11:20:10 ok, being on my 3rd or 4th full rebuild because someone touched enum.h today, I'm a fan of splitting it up. BUT: should be the first thing done in 0.17 11:20:15 potatolizard: simulac krakens show up in vestibule; spectrals show up in minmay's tar end sometimes 11:20:18 well, for quite the while there's bee 11:20:20 geekosaur: why? 11:20:21 that 11:20:23 oh 11:20:34 I only recall seeing kraken zombies 11:20:42 which actually seem rather common in coc 11:20:44 also, strictly speaking, simulakrakens are in one of the cocytus ends 11:20:50 geekosaur: yeah, I don't see any reason to wait until 0.17...? 11:20:50 PleasingFungus, you are a braver man than i for actually going into that code 11:21:00 because enum.h is used freaking everywhere so it's going to be a fairly disruptive change? 11:21:01 this isn't something that would require save combat breakage 11:21:13 geekosaur: so...? 11:21:17 Fight all saves 11:21:25 well anyway wouldn't you expect the tentacles to go poof as well 11:21:30 doy, i think "If you're using char_set=default, you can use unicode code points:" is incorrect as well, people definitely do so with char_set=ascii 11:21:33 the only issue would be conflicts with branches that touch enum.h, but they should be pretty trivial to resolve 11:21:39 wheals: ah, wasn't sure 11:21:47 ... given what crawl source looks like I should not be surprised that people are confused. whatever 11:21:48 potatolizard: ya it is probably a bug. you can report it, if no one else has 11:21:53 will do 11:22:48 PleasingFungus, out of curiosity, do you know what plus2 _was_ used for 11:22:48 wheals: I am literally just grepping around for uses of "plus2". the only time randbook/artefact code touches it is to store it in a temp variable (which is only used to refresh the field), as of 86acd0ce5263 (which doy very kindly dug up for me) 11:22:58 yes 11:23:22 really, ISTR it being in a lot of places with randbook gen 11:23:26 ok 11:23:34 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1722-gb671ef8: apparently this is no longer dependent on char_set (wheals) 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b671ef83a82b 11:23:39 "Global (ick) enums." 11:23:57 wheals: num_spells, for fixed-level randarts 11:24:06 basically yes, it's going to confuse the heck out of the branches, it's going to be disruptive on a developer level, not on a user level like save compat 11:24:34 oh man, enum.h is currently organized alphabetically? 11:24:39 !!! 11:24:39 why would you even do that 11:24:41 I had no idea 11:24:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24:58 roughly alphabetically, anyway - it's clear that lots of people had no idea(: 11:25:24 geekosaur: is there something about a version transition that would make that easier? it's not as though branches get cleaned out when we up the version number... 11:25:32 1ang_t 11:26:13 sigh. there is no point, do as you will. not like crawl dev practices any kind of dev hygiene 11:26:15 doy: if you look at quite a lot of files, the #includes are all arranged alphabetically... until about two-thirds of the way down the list, at which point they're just clearly in order of addition 11:26:34 so no, in the context of crawl dev there probably is no point at all 11:26:41 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:26:44 geekosaur: you seem to be taking this all very personally 11:26:57 ? 11:27:25 geekosaur: i just really don't think the disruption would be that large 11:27:40 and i don't see why a new version would make it any better, since there will still be unlanded branches 11:31:41 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:52 Minor inconsistency with spectral/simulacrum krakens. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9102 by Kvaak 11:36:04 all those poor people who were confused by sliding spectral tentacles 11:36:33 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:43 -!- zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:10 -!- zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:30 -!- rphillips has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:38:59 -!- endou_____ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:40:36 !tell gammafunk https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14007 I've mentioned this to you before - I think this one is yours (note that it's in 0.15 presumably because of your backport :)) 11:40:37 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 11:41:22 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:35 104 enums in enum.h 11:41:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:46 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:57 -!- GenghisKhan has left ##crawl-dev 11:50:32 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 11:52:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52:12 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:59 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:10 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 11:57:19 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 11:57:31 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 11:57:46 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:00:11 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:00:21 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:00:37 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:02:56 someone should fix that 12:03:34 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:04:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 12:04:41 !volunteer doy 12:05:03 I would fix it, but I don't know lua 12:05:16 (the bug is that monsters are getting placed on the player's starting tile in megazigs) 12:05:23 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:05:30 i don't know what megazigs are 12:05:36 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:05:46 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:05:58 ManMan (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 527 failed. (Zig:26) 12:06:05 zigs that you get once you complete zigs 12:06:24 ??megazig 12:06:25 I don't have a page labeled megazig in my learndb. 12:06:27 messed up 12:06:44 as of 0.16, when you complete a zig (leave from floor 27), later zigs spawn with more and nastier monsters 12:06:46 megabug? 12:07:02 to the point that, after completing a few zigs, literally every floor tile is filled with monsters 12:07:07 including the one the player starts on 12:07:53 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:00 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:08:25 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:01 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:43 |amethyst: I'm setting up a server. The guide says to run compress-ttyrecs as crawl-dev, but the command claims it needs root. Just a mistake in the documentation? 12:11:29 Or maybe someone else here knows also. 12:14:13 any opinions on http://paste.tozt.net/2014-10-29qUCNLuNa ? 12:14:23 would this be an information leak that i'm not thinking of? 12:14:41 More Ziggurat Problems 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9103 by ManMan 12:14:48 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:15:16 (it's annoying that you can't tell which sprint map a milestone is for) 12:16:01 !crashlog manman 12:16:02 35. ManMan, XL27 NaWz, T:200520 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ManMan/crash-ManMan-20141029-170556.txt 12:17:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1722-gb671ef8 (34) 12:22:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:26:46 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:35:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:37:33 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:02 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:55 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:48:25 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:57 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:50 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:43 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:00:27 -!- siepu_ is now known as siepu 13:00:45 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:56 Now it says "Crystal Ball of Energy: Bad Item" 13:09:05 foophykins: i'm getting that as well. prevents me from starting new trunk game 13:11:09 PleasingFungus, i assume your changes to itemname.cc or dbg-scan.cc caused this somehow 13:11:37 the former 13:11:56 I can look, but I won't be able to touch code for another six hours 13:12:14 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:01 yeah, me neither 13:13:07 hm. actually, I have no idea 13:13:17 where exactly is it saying that for them? 13:13:24 is it just being randomly printed? 13:13:37 on startup; it's sometimes cboe and sometimes disc of storms 13:13:40 ah 13:13:44 that could be dbg-scan, I guess? 13:13:48 and it prevents the game from starting 13:13:56 wheals: "which monsters from homestuck?" asks the developer of the silly named nethack fork 13:14:22 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 13:14:33 uranium imps, according to nethackwiki 13:15:42 the funny thing is I'm 90% sure someone was talking about something very close to that mechanic, for crawl 13:15:58 WebTiles fails to load; telnet client gives an error and crashes 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9104 by getdunked 13:16:00 I'm trying to remember the context. might have been a suggested tloc form? 13:16:03 i looked at the commit log and it wasn't by you; so i guess you've opened up unnethack development? 13:16:15 getdunked got dunked :( 13:16:21 devwiki suggestion for killer klowns 13:16:42 -!- Proton_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:59 I sincerely don't understand that crash at all 13:17:06 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:17:27 (for the imp mechanic) 13:17:33 wait no 13:17:36 I found it, I think 13:17:54 oh, they didn't tell me that it was preceded by "zot.des" or whatever 13:18:02 is anyone around with commit access 13:18:03 since that means it's definitely itemname 13:18:05 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:18:53 PleasingFungus: sure 13:18:57 in itemname.cc:1903, insert: 13:18:59 else 13:19:01 buff << misc_type_name(item_typ, know_type); 13:19:17 ...actually, you don't even need the else 13:20:45 wheals: yes, I follow dpeg's lead by giving out commit access like candy 13:21:39 -!- andrewhl has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:21 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:54 ?/mdraconian annihilator 13:22:55 No matches. 13:22:57 A buggy draconian annihilator. 13:23:00 It has scales. 13:23:05 gross 13:24:36 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:59 Crazy Yiuf laughs, "Candle noodlescoop green!" 13:26:08 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-1723-g005fe46: fix bad item crashes (PleasingFungus) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=005fe4673234 13:26:15 mip mip mip mip mip mip 13:26:46 ??rebuild 13:26:46 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 13:27:05 doy: thanks! 13:27:22 man, I feel like a big goof letting that one slip in 13:28:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1723-g005fe46 (34) 13:30:09 theTower, your idea for spacial vortices is a TOTAL ripoff of singularity, jeez 13:32:15 -!- novel_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:15 "A brief discussion on crawl-dev (April 15th, 2010), brought up an idea inspired by Brogue's explosive marsh gas: give them a distinct cloud type which violently explodes in the presence of fire" 13:33:16 . 13:33:29 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33:39 wheals explodes! 13:37:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:21 gammadunk'd 13:41:02 PleasingFungus (13f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 35-55 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 311 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 13:41:02 %??wandering_mushroom col:any name:PleasingFungus n_rpl 13:41:05 PleasingFungus (13f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 35-55 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 311 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 13:41:05 %??wandering_mushroom col:any name:PleasingFungus n_rpl 13:41:07 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:07 PleasingFungus (13f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 35-55 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 311 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 13:41:07 %??wandering_mushroom col:any name:PleasingFungus n_rpl 13:41:09 huh 13:41:23 PleasingFungus (13f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 33-57 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 312 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 13:41:23 %??wandering_mushroom col:random name:PleasingFungus n_rpl 13:41:30 fine! 13:43:13 PleasingFungus: I noticed that webtiles seems to essentially be "caching" mcache offsets for tile_player_tile back when I implemented it, but it seemed only something related to the webtiles client (and only under that option), so I didn't worry much 13:43:28 But do you see a weapon/shield offset shifting behaviour in Tiles on your system? 13:45:17 what I observed: if you used a tile without mcache offsets specified, if you went to a location where you had used a tile where you *did* specify those offsets, it seemed it was using those old offsets; if you used a new tile that had its own offsets, I don't think I saw a problem 13:45:26 but from the thread it seems like some other behaviour is happening 13:47:08 so some questions are: is this happening in both Tiles and WebTiles? ; is the observed visual behaviour the same in Tiles vs. WebTiles; does it happen in a way that's conditional on mcache entries being used for either the player tile or a monster tile 13:47:40 I suspect that last one is true, and that maybe monster mchace values are even influencing the player tile when tile_player_tile isn't even used 13:48:41 -!- bitwiki is now known as fizwiki 13:49:19 but it should be possible to track down in any case, since it's 1) probably just related to using mcache when it shouldn't be (or the oppossite), which is easy to fix and 2) I can look at pre-tile_player_tile versions to debug what's leading to the mcache mishandling 13:49:58 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:52:40 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:55 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:59:19 the key thing is being able to reproduce it 13:59:29 which I haven't yet 13:59:40 but yeah, it could well be some kind of weird caching issue 14:00:21 my observation was that it occurred locally, but I haven't seen (or looked for) that for a little while; it's possible that the webtiles problem described in that thread is entirely different bug 14:00:23 which would be exciting 14:01:19 -!- kipster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:03:25 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:04 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:06:52 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:07 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:48 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:17:35 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:18:59 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:37 -!- fizwiki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:25:15 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:19 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:26:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:29:46 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:01 A couple vaults still try to place on Crypt:4 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9105 by Skrybe 14:35:01 !tell elliptic Could the glyph_colour be sorted for the time being by manually adding "include glyph_colour.txt" in the default init file (so that you can comment it out)? Should only be a temporary solution, of course. If you think the new defaults can be improved, I'd love to hear, too. 14:35:01 dpeg_: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 14:35:01 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:20 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 14:38:57 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:45 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:07 should have remembered that for the second one, argh 14:40:07 PleasingFungus: well the webtiles behaviour is easilly preproduced for tile_player_tile, and probably the behaviour described in that thread is as well; the part I'd be worried about reproducing is any behaviour in local Tiles 14:40:14 so if you figure out how to reproduce that, let me know 14:43:28 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43:45 I more or less know where the guilty parties are in WebTiles, the only trick there is doing some javascript debugging, which is always fun 14:45:40 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:51:38 !debug gammafunk 14:51:39 PleasingFungus sets a breakpoint on gammafunk. Gammafunk resists. You crash... Would you like your variables identified? 14:51:47 ouch 14:51:51 forgot that was actually a command 14:53:55 * gammafunk continues... 14:55:11 dpeg_: I saw you went ahead with glyph colour reform; it look like you more or less kept the item class colourings based on e.g. dangerous, good item, etc? 14:55:31 the unided item change was most important, of course 14:55:41 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:57:44 dpeg_: also, which god is that altar on your name for? 14:57:45 (Please don't say it's nemelex) 14:58:59 dpeg_: current policy is to include no settings at all in default rc. also, making changes there would only affect new accounts 14:59:45 i think we should just fix the config issue 15:00:43 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:00:56 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 15:03:44 gammafunk: yes, exactly. I thought that inventory categories would make a simple, immediate improvement. 15:03:50 My god is Trog. 15:04:01 * PleasingFungus flies into a rage! 15:04:07 PleasingFungus: yes, I know. That's why I said "temporary". 15:04:40 * dpeg_ is pleased by fungi and flies raging so beautifully. 15:04:42 lg dpeg s=god 15:04:47 !lg dpeg s=god 15:04:48 2138 games for dpeg: 1142x, 129x Vehumet, 119x Yredelemnul, 115x Ashenzari, 99x Elyvilon, 61x Zin, 60x Xom, 52x The Shining One, 48x Trog, 47x Fedhas, 40x Cheibriados, 38x Makhleb, 35x Gozag, 31x Kikubaaqudgha, 27x Lugonu, 26x Nemelex Xobeh, 23x Sif Muna, 17x Dithmenos, 13x Okawaru, 6x Jiyva, 4x Qazlal, 3x Ru, 3x Beogh 15:04:52 !lg dpeg !boring s=god 15:04:53 1932 games for dpeg (!boring): 995x, 128x Vehumet, 114x Ashenzari, 110x Yredelemnul, 83x Elyvilon, 57x Zin, 57x Xom, 49x The Shining One, 45x Fedhas, 40x Cheibriados, 37x Trog, 36x Makhleb, 35x Gozag, 30x Kikubaaqudgha, 26x Nemelex Xobeh, 25x Lugonu, 22x Sif Muna, 15x Dithmenos, 12x Okawaru, 6x Jiyva, 4x Qazlal, 3x Beogh, 3x Ru 15:05:03 from silly conduct games 15:05:09 haha 15:05:13 * dpeg_ quickly burns some books 15:05:26 !lg . !boring s=god 15:05:27 1486 games for gammafunk (!boring): 856x, 420x Sif Muna, 87x Xom, 46x Nemelex Xobeh, 23x Okawaru, 11x Lugonu, 11x Trog, 9x Vehumet, 6x Yredelemnul, 5x Makhleb, 3x Fedhas, 2x The Shining One, 2x Iashol, Ru, Kikubaaqudgha, Qazlal, Dithmenos, Cheibriados 15:05:38 dpeg_: I take my sif activism very seriously 15:05:38 !lg . !boring s=god 15:05:39 1073 games for Bloax (!boring): 624x, 239x Cheibriados, 141x Trog, 40x Xom, 7x Lugonu, 5x Qazlal, 5x Okawaru, 3x Dithmenos, 2x Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Gozag, Sif Muna, Makhleb, Vehumet, Iashol, Ashenzari 15:05:43 Sif Muna wants a word with her most dedicated disciple! 15:05:46 gee such variety 15:05:53 geeze, xom no. 2 that is just terrible 15:05:53 such chei 15:05:59 dpeg_: well, idk that it would be even a temporary solution 15:06:05 is what I was getting at 15:06:05 PleasingFungus: ok! 15:06:11 also 420 Sif erry day yall 15:06:16 :) 15:06:36 I wonder how you'd check the percentage of your games of a certain god. 15:06:42 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: ldf_] 15:06:47 and then see who has the highest percentage of said games 15:07:07 gammafunk: javascript debugging isn't so bad in my experience, the chrome devtools for example are pretty good 15:07:18 hrm 15:07:30 chrome also happens one of the browsers that run webtiles somewhat well 15:07:39 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:07:41 !lg . god=tso s=ktype 15:07:42 3 games for gammafunk (god=tso): 2x winning, quitting 15:08:08 !lg bloax !boring / chei 15:08:09 239/1073 games for bloax (!boring): N=239/1073 (22.27%) 15:08:24 !lg bloax !boring xl>5 / chei 15:08:25 205/410 games for bloax (!boring xl>5): N=205/410 (50.00%) 15:08:30 ha ha 15:08:36 good % 15:08:52 pretty crazy percentage 15:09:20 it gets better though 15:09:20 !lg * !boring xl>5 s=name / chei o=% ?: den.N>10 15:09:25 26876/958262 games for * (!boring xl>5): 11/13x deathcap [84.62%], 18/22x ponderinghat [81.82%], 9/12x TestQm [75.00%], 12/16x LightMnemonic [75.00%], 9/15x Money [60.00%], 18/30x Mythal [60.00%], 38/64x MisterPig [59.38%], 21/36x Breaker [58.33%], 11/19x mang [57.89%], 15/26x Zig [57.69%], 23/40x Ponderous [57.50%], 8/14x Mutation [57.14%], 57/100x octoking [57.00%], 22/39x noodles [56.41%], 7/13... 15:09:46 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09:49 adjust that last number to filter further 15:10:02 !lg * !boring xl>5 s=name / chei o=% ?: den.N>50 15:10:07 24134/844279 games for * (!boring xl>5): 38/64x MisterPig [59.38%], 57/100x octoking [57.00%], 183/358x Bloax [51.12%], 39/78x rebi [50.00%], 29/61x aduken [47.54%], 27/65x broll [41.54%], 125/307x tongitongu [40.72%], 51/127x kagans [40.16%], 33/85x Nevar [38.82%], 55/145x numlockpick [37.93%], 55/147x quixotic [37.41%], 30/83x BooleanNetwork [36.14%], 288/814x keymashgrqeeg [35.38%], 31/88x Sau ... 15:10:16 there you are. 15:11:11 !lg * !boring chei s=name 15:11:13 33593 games for * (!boring chei): 822x pigah, 592x Roarke, 328x xw, 326x keymashgrqeeg, 283x LiLin, 269x Tasonir, 211x Bloax, 164x casual, 147x soloincognito, 142x dscm, 133x tongitongu, 132x Elynae, 127x ELD, 119x Herrn, 116x pfcuttle, 111x 4thArraOfDagon, 110x Grinner, 105x BirdoPrey, 93x nmf, 92x Bolas, 90x Thndr, 88x Nightdew, 88x Saty, 88x perfect1234, 87x Joehai, 86x Guido, 86x zugundertheru... 15:11:31 -!- ibar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:39 I have a relatively small amount of games. 15:12:19 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:28 !lg . god=tso s=ktype 15:13:29 3 games for gammafunk (god=tso): 2x winning, quitting 15:13:34 oh, too bad 15:13:34 mm 15:13:51 was the tso experience too exciting 15:14:09 !lg gammafunk tso boring 15:14:09 doy: once the config issue is fixed, I just make another file that people can include to unset the new defaults, right?" 15:14:10 1. gammafunk the Eclecticist (L21 HEFi of The Shining One), quit the game on Vaults:8 (vaults_vault) on 2012-05-01 02:08:22, with 322320 points after 141761 turns and 20:12:33. 15:14:19 !lg . s=god / won o=% 15:14:20 17/2348 games for gammafunk: 1/1x Kikubaaqudgha [100.00%], 1/1x Qazlal [100.00%], 1/1x Dithmenos [100.00%], 2/3x The Shining One [66.67%], 1/3x Fedhas [33.33%], 4/17x Vehumet [23.53%], 1/7x Yredelemnul [14.29%], 1/13x Trog [7.69%], 2/50x Nemelex Xobeh [4.00%], 2/631x Sif Muna [0.32%], 1/1443x [0.07%], 0/12x Lugonu [0.00%], 0/2x Iashol [0.00%], 0/2x Gozag [0.00%], 0/29x Okawaru [0.00%], 0/1x Cheibr... 15:14:50 !lg . s=god / won o=% ?: den.N>2 15:14:51 11/1097 games for Bloax: 10/240x Cheibriados [4.17%], 1/147x Trog [0.68%], 0/40x Xom [0.00%], 0/8x Lugonu [0.00%], 0/5x Qazlal [0.00%], 0/3x Dithmenos [0.00%], 0/5x Okawaru [0.00%], 0/649x [0.00%] 15:14:58 !lg PleasingFungus s=god / won o=% 15:14:59 32/365 games for PleasingFungus: 1/1x Gozag [100.00%], 3/4x The Shining One [75.00%], 1/2x Qazlal [50.00%], 3/9x Ashenzari [33.33%], 1/3x Beogh [33.33%], 1/3x Kikubaaqudgha [33.33%], 3/11x Trog [27.27%], 3/13x Vehumet [23.08%], 4/24x Okawaru [16.67%], 1/8x Yredelemnul [12.50%], 2/17x Makhleb [11.76%], 1/10x Fedhas [10.00%], 1/11x Sif Muna [9.09%], 1/12x Dithmenos [8.33%], 1/14x Nemelex Xobeh [7.14... 15:15:04 heh, Gozag 15:15:14 also nice tso 15:15:21 -!- drke has quit [] 15:15:30 breaking news: completely relentless speedruns aren't good for your winrate 15:16:25 !hs gammafunk oka 15:16:26 29. gammafunk the Bludgeoner (L19 HEFi of Okawaru), slain by an ettin (a +0,+0 great mace) on Vaults:8 (vaults_vault) on 2012-05-09 23:14:55, with 238075 points after 104132 turns and 12:30:21. 15:16:45 ...he-- bludgeoner...? 15:16:56 yeah I used m&f and longbows 15:16:59 with a shield 15:17:19 rip 15:17:24 don't make me cross-examine your first win!!! 15:17:33 deviations would be found I'm sure! 15:18:42 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:43 !lg Bloax won 1 -log 15:18:44 1/14. Bloax, XL27 DEWz, T:108237: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Bloax/morgue-Bloax-20120815-185844.txt 15:20:28 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.0/20141011015303]] 15:20:42 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:21 WARNING: If you fail in an attempt to memorise a spell from this book, the book will lash out at you. 15:21:36 as it should! 15:21:42 devs have RUINED crawl. 15:22:13 nobody ever asks how many devs have been ruined by Crawl :( 15:22:19 rip 15:22:22 mm, 10 traps & doors. 15:23:42 (quite a few) 15:23:56 good 15:24:17 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:46 I like to think that they weren't ruined, but merely ascended to godhood 15:29:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:17 -!- Jho is now known as CrawlOffline|Jho 15:30:24 but I guess that begs the question of why the current devs haven't ascended to godhood yet... 15:30:26 the superstitious approach :) 15:30:38 not enough KLOCs! 15:30:53 KLOCs? 15:31:12 ash is shackled to the sky, I suppose 15:31:22 kilo line of code... what's the unit on that? 15:31:46 millisnarks 15:31:46 millisnarks or millimarvins, depending on what you're going for 15:32:31 -!- bullock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:34:15 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:34:18 megasnarks 15:34:28 ??devstats 15:34:28 I don't have a page labeled devstats in my learndb. 15:35:02 ??gitstats[2] 15:35:03 gitstats[2/3]: http://s-z.org/crawl-stats/ — updated infrequently 15:35:27 PleasingFungus: open beta http://crawl.project357.org/ 15:36:00 13 millisnarks, hrmph 15:36:13 03dpeg02 07* 0.16-a0-1724-g8593b52: Restrict useless:darkgrey default to potions, scrolls, jewellery. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8593b52636e2 15:36:33 technically then neunon has the biggest amount of removed lines 15:36:57 open beta, huh 15:37:03 where's the kickstarter 15:37:13 where's the crawldev patreon 15:37:16 I have... logged in. 15:37:17 Beware. I live! 15:38:16 checkers: is this server minified? 15:38:25 no, edlothiol mentioned that 15:38:26 because it's starting the game slowly 15:38:48 and also that caching option johnstein had set, not sure what it defaults to 15:38:57 wow it's still loading 15:38:59 related: one current issue is that sometimes webtiles doesn't load into the game and you have to re-enter from lobby 15:39:04 i don't know why yet 15:39:12 checkers: can you publish your toml somewhere? 15:39:53 gammafunk: http://crawl.project357.org/static/config.toml 15:39:55 ty 15:40:11 oh, dang 15:40:17 no newlines! 15:40:27 guess you need a mime-type for that 15:40:47 view source 15:40:49 or download it 15:40:51 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:41:04 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41:23 yeah, I guess toml just doesn't have a mime type that's common enough 15:41:27 since it's a new format 15:41:37 did I mention toml is stupid? :P 15:41:38 but you could add one to apache or w/e webserver :) 15:41:39 (I guess the only way I remove lines is by functionizing vaults...) 15:41:58 well mime types aren't toml's fault! 15:42:06 i keed 15:42:25 game_data_no_cache = true 15:42:30 this is the one I'm worried about 15:43:08 checkers: will this become an official server? 15:43:26 gammafunk: restarted 15:43:36 ElanMorin: i hope so, but it's not up to me of course 15:43:54 it requires tem to trust me with the crackable passwords of thousands of players :) 15:44:12 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:44:18 I wish there would be a central account management, I'm kind of sick of registering everywhere 15:45:10 hm, I thought there was? across the official servers at least. But yes, I would like delegated auth but i don't see myself looking into it until late this year 15:45:21 yeah we've been discussing that, but no promises 15:45:34 Since we are talking about new servers: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 15:45:36 agree it is a pain, and causes problems with people registering your login on other servers as well 15:45:40 haha 15:45:41 excellent 15:45:54 also hi Medar :) 15:45:59 hey! 15:45:59 haven't seen you in a while 15:46:07 oh france 15:46:19 oh wow, the subtle red D 15:46:29 very subtle :P 15:46:29 I perhaps I should choose a real password for this one then :D 15:46:32 XTAHUA SNEERS AT "SUBTLETY". 15:46:37 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:46:58 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:04 XTAHUA MUSES THAT FREDERICK IS IN FACT DEEPLY INSECURE 15:47:12 off to work 15:47:34 if you notice issues please report them via PM, and share the server with anyone interested 15:47:53 ok, thanks 15:48:22 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:27 !send Frederick Spellforged Servitor 15:48:27 Sending Spellforged Servitor to Frederick. 15:48:27 Medar: are you running this server? is it a test one, or one that might become "official"? 15:48:49 Grunt: yeah I looked into it, and it will take some hacking since servitor is so player-centric atm, but it's on my list 15:49:06 I am, with zkyp. 15:49:07 of course if a hasted patch executioner where to be summoned... 15:49:21 Plan to just make it an official one to take some of the load of Lantea 15:49:21 very nice 15:49:34 Medar: plans for upgrading to webtiles-changes? 15:49:49 |amethyst wants to switch over cszo fairly soon 15:49:53 !tell edlothiol i'm in open beta, if you have any input on the issues here I'd love to know :) http://crawl.project357.org/static/issues.txt 15:49:53 checkers: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 15:49:55 We'll see how the server handles things. The CPU is kind of weak. 15:50:04 ah, ok 15:50:20 gammafunk: Haven't looked into it yet, but of course at some point. 15:50:50 well |amethyst will probably do some nice config work that can be helpful for others, when you're ready 15:51:04 how weak 15:51:07 mine is a t2.micro ^_^ 15:51:25 I wonder what's still missing. Should pretty much have everything up and running. 15:51:29 you dont even get one whole core. But increasing it is trivial as required 15:51:35 IRC bot, SSL cert... 15:51:35 I had to google that 15:52:39 Oh and more versions :P 15:52:56 SSH should work with CAO key and user crawl 15:53:13 checkers: need to set up the player titles and score url 15:53:46 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:23 !tell checkers Check out the commented-out toml options for player titles and the score url when you have a chance; you have to run get_titles.py once to form an initial text db, and then ideally it'd be on cron or otherwise scheduled to run every N minutes 15:55:24 gammafunk: OK, I'll let checkers know. 15:56:21 oh, my lag on this server makes it not really playable 15:57:19 tons of packet loss for some reason 16:00:17 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:19 well, it is kind of far away :) 16:01:34 plays just fine here 16:02:13 !learn add cxc Currently experimental server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 16:02:14 cxc[1/1]: Currently experimental server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 16:02:28 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:09 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:03:21 it has the same kind of weird ping spikes as lantea 16:03:24 albeit less frequent 16:03:48 since i'm averaging 66ms and over the course of 36 pings it spiked to 171ms once 16:04:43 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:05:10 !learn mv cxc cXc 16:05:10 cxc -> cXc[1/1]: Currently experimental server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 16:05:38 Of course 16:05:48 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 65-102 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2765 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:05:48 %??orb guardian 16:05:52 Medar: do you mind if we add a mention that you (and possibly zkyp) admin it? 16:06:12 Ah yes. 16:06:32 I can do that. 16:07:42 !learn add cXc Morgues, ttyrecs etc. are at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/. Maintained by Medar and zkyp. 16:07:43 cXc[2/2]: Morgues, ttyrecs etc. are at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/. Maintained by Medar and zkyp. 16:08:49 (and XTAHUA) 16:09:26 gammafunk: really packet loss? that's bad 16:09:26 checkers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:09:45 checkers: yeah, the packets that go through have good ping time, but I'm not very good at network troubleshooting 16:09:46 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:10:14 it's quite slow for me, but then again midwestern US is not your target demographic :) 16:10:55 i can play very fast on it so it works fine 16:10:55 !learn add cpo Open beta server (as of 2014/11) in Sydney. Webtiles: http://crawl.project357.org/ SSH: crawl@crawl.project357.org (pw joshua or key available via webtiles) 16:10:56 cpo[1/1]: Open beta server (as of 2014/11) in Sydney. Webtiles: http://crawl.project357.org/ SSH: crawl@crawl.project357.org (pw joshua or key available via webtiles) 16:11:32 Aww, not CP3O? :P 16:11:33 yeah, no, it is a real issue (the spiking) but i didnt think it escalated to packet loss. that shouldn't really be dependant on latency 16:12:01 Medar: I considered it, but the lysdexia would annoy people I fear :D 16:12:25 lysdaxie 16:12:26 wow I guess I have to log in to XTAHUA again so i can change his website from that chinese shit 16:12:41 part of the problem is the instance size has CPU rationing, which can cause short term CPU hiccups, which probably explains the "like lantea" issue Bloax mentioned. But packet loss I blame amazon :D 16:13:04 instance will get off the rationed family once it leaves beta or traffic levels demand it, whichever is first 16:13:08 really gone now 16:13:20 ah, so the mystery tavern XTAHUA identity revealed 16:13:46 so in the end 16:13:48 it really was minmay 16:14:23 I didn't realize that was a secret 16:15:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:45 I had no clue that Xtahua could land in Crawl's top ten of mascots some day! 16:19:09 there are ten mascots? 16:20:14 yes, 7 of them are sigmund and the other 3 are xtahua 16:20:17 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:20:29 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:36 confusing 16:20:41 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 16:22:19 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:23:37 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:27:24 minmay: Thanks for the Tavern post :) 16:28:55 1learn add rare_messages 16:29:18 Yiuf is also very mascotty 16:35:02 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:15 so is beogh 16:42:40 -!- Unano has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42:51 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:21 -!- CrawlOflline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:51:36 so, new france, au, and jp servers in the past month? neat! 16:52:21 Japan too? 16:53:01 -!- Pedroff has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:54:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:55:08 I don't know the person running it but I'm following their twitter account 16:55:19 which I can't understand 16:55:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:14 there is no link, no contact? :) Japan <3 16:56:18 also, I can see how vault making could suck you into a black hole of vault making madness 16:56:52 dpeg_: hm where have we seen this before 16:57:06 Bloax: don't know, CKR? 16:57:14 I'm trying to be good and follow Grunt's suggestion of making nice .%*|089 random mini vaults but last night I spent 4 hours on a big one 16:57:40 first you make vaults out of boredom, then for flavour, but you're only really in it once you make vaults to KILL PLAYERS 16:57:43 (hence the madness) 16:57:59 and then you quit crawl 16:58:11 why? there's so many more players to go for! 16:58:17 out of frustration that your vaults are getting kicked out ;0; 16:58:27 oh, pity that, yeah 16:58:46 Lemuel is still around occasionally, though 16:58:48 also who is this mystery tiles contributor 17:00:09 ??mystery tiles contributor 17:00:10 I don't have a page labeled mystery_tiles_contributor in my learndb. 17:00:12 dunno 17:00:20 he doesn't even have a name 17:01:09 johnstein: re jp server: would be really, really good to connect with them for the next tournament (should their server still run by then) 17:01:38 I think gammafunk has communicated with them. or PleasingFungus 17:02:06 do new servers go belly up often? 17:02:51 yeah PleasingFungus talks with dplusplus 17:02:57 cool! 17:03:05 he is probably japanese, PleasingFungus I mean 17:03:23 ?/dplusplus 17:03:24 Matching entries (3): lld[1]: http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/#lobby - Admin is https://twitter.com/dplusplus/ . | lld[2]: repository with webtiles patches from dplusplus: https://github.com/dplusplus/patched-dcss-webtile/commits/master | the_enchantress[2]: Expect her as early as Depths:1 upstairs LoS if you're unlucky! !lg dplusplus mifi xl=15 1 -tv 17:03:29 ??lld 17:03:29 lld[1/2]: http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/#lobby - Admin is https://twitter.com/dplusplus/ . 17:03:37 the server admin, sorry 17:03:39 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:47 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:01 I'm in the process of incorporating dplusplus server score patches, but I have this ...well I have a bunch of things 17:04:10 it's all pretty much Grunt's fault 17:04:16 :) 17:04:45 the blame, it is always on the move 17:06:55 !blame gammafunk 17:06:55 I pronounce gammafunk... Guilty! 17:07:06 how dare you betray me, Sequell! 17:07:24 !blame myself 17:07:25 I pronounce myself... Guilty! 17:08:36 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:35 gammafunk: Servitor is already monster-usable and effective, you know...... 17:12:04 hrm, from my perusal it looked like there was a lot of player-centric stuff, but I guess I was mistaken 17:12:09 can monsters currently use it? 17:12:26 or maybe I should say, which monsters can use it? 17:12:41 Right now? Ghosts. 17:12:45 ah 17:12:49 that would make sense 17:12:58 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:00 well then adding it to freddie became a lot easier! 17:13:11 probably have to tweak his spell set some 17:13:48 I noticed how easy it would be to do when I was working on mon-spell-slots, so I made the relevant minor tweaks and 17:13:51 :) 17:14:08 the players must have been very grateful 17:14:20 Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 159 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 3749 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), invisibility, iron shot (3d36) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:14:20 %??frederick 17:14:34 3d36, ouch 17:14:43 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:43 I was thinking maybe a not-a-bolt spell would be good 17:14:52 especially if a servitor is getting his spells 17:15:51 He already has two non-bolts (unless iron bolt is a bolt.........) 17:16:49 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 17:17:19 tengu reaver (13Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 17 | HP: 73-98 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 27, 11, 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 2034 | Sp: b.lightning (3d22), battlesphere, freezing cloud (2d27) / b.magma (3d26), battlesphere, fireball (3d27) / b.venom (3d21), b.corrosive (3d21), battlesphere, poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:17:19 %??tengu_reaver 17:17:45 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:58 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9161 | Sp: glaciate (10-132), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 17:19:58 %??lom_lobon 17:20:09 ? 17:20:34 ?? 17:21:03 ...wondering why you are checking out those dudes. 17:23:34 -!- CacoS has quit [] 17:24:06 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:20 I'm forming the ultimate chimera 17:24:28 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:06 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:34:30 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:33 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:35:52 ! 17:38:15 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:40:13 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:00 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-1725-g379d536: Make Lajatang of Order read {silver, rMut} again (ChrisOelmueller). 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=379d536075e4 17:42:26 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:17 more like... lajatang of out of order 17:43:47 dang. 17:43:55 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:11 fr: rMut brand that grants monsters rMut when you hit them 17:44:25 and also rSilver 17:45:42 make a brand that grants monsters total immunity to everything when you hit them 17:46:16 Axe of WOAH 17:46:40 or Axe of Woops! 17:47:15 does a ton of damage but makes them MR immune until they die 17:47:16 Axe of Joy imo 17:47:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:04 (bad idea: give XTAHUA a passive fear effect) 17:49:33 -!- Calisca has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:28 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:55:59 !learn edit cpo s/$/. Operated by chequers./ 17:55:59 cpo[1/1]: Open beta server (as of 2014/11) in Sydney. Webtiles: http://crawl.project357.org/ SSH: crawl@crawl.project357.org (pw joshua or key available via webtiles). Operated by chequers. 17:57:44 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:20 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:59:33 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 18:01:14 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:49 !seen chequers 18:01:49 Sorry gammafunk, I haven't seen chequers. 18:02:06 checkers: it's good to also mention your irc nick :) 18:02:39 !gamesby chequers 18:02:40 chequers has played 248 games, between 2014-08-19 04:57:21 and 2014-10-28 08:48:04, won 1 (0.4%), high score 2178909, total score 3864142, total turns 976511, play-time/day 1:11:24, total time 3d+12:30:12. 18:03:34 -!- Annabella| has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:03:47 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:06:12 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06:25 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 18:06:42 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:07:22 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:57 -!- checkers is now known as chequers 18:08:00 gammafunk: there 18:08:50 chequers: ok, just keep in mind that people might !tell checkers, but not if you use chequers from now on 18:09:41 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:58 !tell Grunt Grunt 18:09:58 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 18:11:22 "Is it possible to see the total number of unique spectators for a given game? As in, the chat popup could show "4 spectators (12 all time)". Could be neat to see how many people in total tuned in to watch you bumble or blaze through a 15 rune run." 18:11:30 kind of an odd request 18:11:41 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:48 we need spectator count titles 18:12:08 gammafunk the Beheld 18:14:15 gammafunk: i'm chequers everywhere crawl-related now... I think 18:14:45 cool, looking forward to having another test server for webtiles-changes 18:15:08 let me know if you have any trouble with the player title stuff as I'm eager to fix any bugs before cszo transitions 18:15:30 ok, but those are realllly low on my priority list, like post-launch 18:15:38 yeah, no prob 18:15:52 there are certainly higher priorities for setting up a server :) 18:16:07 basically I want to fix up the webtiles speccing SSH games and random webtiles load fails before launch 18:16:10 I have johnstein at least 18:16:25 (plus joining the userdb / scores community) 18:16:26 oh right I need to check into that cache option for you 18:16:47 time to 18:16:48 cache out??? 18:16:59 also, it would be ace if you could commit minified copies of js 18:16:59 chequers: oh, I think that option should be set to false 18:16:59 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:17:03 chequers: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/config.toml 18:17:05 i don't want to install node.js to minify 18:17:10 that is the config johnstein is running 18:17:25 nice 18:17:38 <|amethyst> Grunt: if you want to store a frequently-used value somewhere it can be accessed more quickly... 18:17:48 hrm, didn't edlothiol make a doc of the js requirements? 18:17:52 <|amethyst> Grunt: you could of course put it in RAM but sometimes that's not fast enough 18:18:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: so you might want to use a cache register 18:18:17 gammafunk: he mentioned 'install node.js then make webserver' but if I'm going to minify it will be with a small standalone script 18:18:20 |amethyst: you're right on the money with that one. 18:18:59 preferably to minification I will just put the crappy twisted server behind a proxy, but I had issues with it so not yet 18:19:13 related: allow ./server.py to run as a suburl eg /crawl 18:20:09 hrm, that seems like it wouldn't be too hard to hack 18:20:12 <|amethyst> what should the server do if you request a URL outside that path? 18:20:14 the suburl thing 18:20:45 |amethyst: I mean, I want to run it behind a reverse proxy at /crawl 18:21:14 but it returns links to resources with absolute URLs afaict 18:21:19 <|amethyst> aha 18:21:47 <|amethyst> hm 18:21:47 you had apache config with 'if not exist then send to ./server.py' rewriterules, but... not doing that :P 18:21:59 (on the dokuwiki) 18:22:06 -!- namad7 has quit [] 18:24:39 what's so bad about having node.js and minifying? 18:26:00 -!- redrot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:26:37 chequers: I too have noticed some occasional games that fail to load with webtiles-changes 18:27:05 stuck on black screen when starting a new game. or stuck on splash when resuming 18:27:18 refreshing the page seems to fix it 18:27:48 I've had multiple people say that they're getting nothing but a black screen. 18:28:03 for bloaxcrawl? 18:28:46 yep 18:28:46 could be something wrong with DBRO. but it's supposed to be the same as CBRO wrt all the things that matter 18:28:59 well it works just fine for me every time 18:28:59 so I shall not take the blame quite yet 18:29:12 !blame johnstei 18:29:13 I pronounce johnstei... Guilty! 18:29:20 I'd say it happens to me 20% or so 18:29:35 * johnstein looks for johnstei 18:29:53 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/mennas2x.png i live to give 18:30:25 johnstei lost his ghoul 18:30:31 gammafunk: bit fat dependencies for what should be a 30 line script. :P 18:30:33 (glyph jokes are the best) 18:30:40 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:30:45 there are pyjsmin scripts that I bet are just as effective, you could bundle those in with the webserver code 18:31:10 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:31:36 johnstein: Bloax: yep, exactly the same on mine. I am adding zounds of debug logging to the server to try and narrow down the problem, but I can't even get a reliable test case 18:32:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:09 chequers: yea I have no clue how to isolate the issue since I'm a pretty big dummy when it comes to troubleshooting webpage crap 18:33:33 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:49 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:36 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:31 -!- billy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46:26 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:47:07 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:49:20 !send johnstein issues 18:49:20 Sending issues to johnstein. 18:53:09 -!- Grangar has quit [] 18:53:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:56:25 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141028030204]] 19:01:43 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:02:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:03:25 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:04 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 19:06:10 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:09:25 -!- Taraiph has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:31 I have a question 19:11:02 ...we might have an answer! 19:11:52 why are Skalds so bad early on? 19:12:30 they're pretty strong early on really 19:12:39 song of slaying ftw! 19:12:49 (never figured out how to best use the Song 19:13:06 bah 19:13:22 I've been in skald encounters where I lost all my MP and died to a goblin 19:13:30 ...then you don't know how to play Sk properly. 19:13:38 !lg . 19:13:38 Ask again when you have won more :) 19:13:39 196. johnstein the Merfolkian Porcupine (L27 MfSk of Makhleb), demolished by a golden dragon simulacrum on Abyss:3 on 2014-10-25 07:59:08, with 722999 points after 139629 turns and 21:41:17. 19:13:39 several times 19:13:42 :C 19:13:48 !lg . sk won s=char 19:13:49 2 games for Grunt (sk won): SpSk, HESk 19:13:57 HESK 19:13:57 HESk 19:13:58 or got I wasnt wearing rC ring 19:14:00 That was Sk 1.5 to be fair... 19:14:04 forgot 19:14:12 !hs * HE-- 19:14:13 185391. PurpleRed the Elven Blade (L27 HESk of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-23 09:48:31, with 37104810 points after 39325 turns and 15:43:48. 19:14:23 I'm coming for you, PurpleRed!!! 19:14:31 ! 19:14:45 Grunt I doubt it 19:15:18 saying you lost mp and died to a goblin several times 19:15:18 like, do I level charms so I can use a few crappy spells or do I level weapons and get one-shotted by goblins? 19:15:38 doesn't indicate that you're playing very well 19:16:36 skald is not supposed to be Be levels of strong, but it is a strong enough book start 19:16:45 to be be be be 19:17:21 You feel familiarly static. 19:17:22 <3 19:17:34 -!- Kashira has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17:38 I used infusion and spectral weapon a bunch 19:17:38 my zerks canceled themselves out 19:17:39 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:44 fr: you can zerk again to cancel zerk 19:18:09 and got haste to 4% fail in FDA. I was surprised how durable I was by the end 19:18:10 !lg . alldam 19:18:10 196. [dam=82;sdam=204;tdam=219] johnstein the Merfolkian Porcupine (L27 MfSk of Makhleb), demolished by a golden dragon simulacrum on Abyss:3 on 2014-10-25 07:59:08, with 722999 points after 139629 turns and 21:41:17. 19:18:15 rip 19:18:24 a simulacrum, johnstein! 19:18:29 you were faster than it! 19:18:35 yea 19:18:35 but that is some great tdamn for sure 19:18:39 surrounded in abyss 19:18:44 with rC- 19:18:47 oh ouch 19:18:56 stupidly forgetting I didn't have my ring of rC on 19:19:08 !lg * recent max=tdam x=dam,tdam 19:19:09 I read Tele several turns before etrig stopped 19:19:11 622701. [dam=20;tdam=248] drag0n the Axe Maniac (L27 HOFi of Qazlal), killed by an indirect mummy death curse on Tomb:3 (tomb_3) on 2014-05-13 04:34:14, with 712645 points after 75693 turns and 5:44:55. 19:19:18 ... 19:19:22 before getting stopped 19:19:26 oh 19:19:29 ow 19:19:34 Grunt: that's you! 19:19:45 the POWER of Grunt magic! 19:20:04 I knew the simulacrum would be trouble. I just didn't bother % 19:20:21 !kw alldam 19:20:22 Keyword: alldam => x=dam,sdam,tdam 19:20:45 !lg * max=dam alldam ikiller=~simulac 19:20:51 1827. [dam=104;sdam=202;tdam=202] corvin the Acrobat (L21 MfBe of The Shining One), annihilated by a golden dragon simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2014-06-22 23:45:11, with 296254 points after 65884 turns and 8:06:49. 19:21:08 wow, golden dragon simulacra OP 19:21:13 !lg * max=dam alldam killer=~simulac 19:21:16 2204. [dam=104;sdam=202;tdam=202] corvin the Acrobat (L21 MfBe of The Shining One), annihilated by a golden dragon simulacrum in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2014-06-22 23:45:11, with 296254 points after 65884 turns and 8:06:49. 19:21:36 !lg * max=tdam alldam killer=~simulac 19:21:39 2204. [dam=65;sdam=326;tdam=326] timbw the Alchemist (L18 OgFi of Okawaru), annihilated by an eight-headed hydra simulacrum on Swamp:5 (swamp_icy) on 2013-08-19 06:42:05, with 190889 points after 57007 turns and 3:58:48. 19:21:46 ah yeah, I remember that one 19:22:47 !lg * max=tdam alldam killer=~simulac -log 19:22:50 2204. timbw, XL18 OgFi, T:57007: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/timbw/morgue-timbw-20130819-064205.txt 19:23:20 draconian simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 22 | HP: 47-84 | AC/EV: 28/5 | Dam: 1212(cold:22-65) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(29), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 564 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 19:23:20 %??tiamat simulacrum 19:23:22 yeah, also rC-, wasn't sure 19:23:24 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:23:26 ... 19:23:27 heh 19:23:30 Wait, we can do that now? 19:23:35 simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 30 | HP: 69-106 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 1412(cold:30-89) per head | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 941 | Sz: Giant | Int: plant. 19:23:35 %??the lernaean hydra simulacrum 19:23:37 good!!!!!!! 19:23:46 cold:30-89 19:23:49 stupid bases 19:23:55 good damage range 19:23:57 ??the lernaean hydra[simul 19:23:57 lernaean_hydra[2/3]: Simulacra do five thousand damage with rC-. 19:24:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:22 tiamat's a bit closer to things that cast simulacra, is the thing 19:24:24 !send PleasingFungus the Lernaean hydra simulacrum and rC- 19:24:24 Sending the Lernaean hydra simulacrum and rC- to PleasingFungus. 19:24:35 and qaz wrath, no? 19:24:45 well you could make it from S:$ to M:$ 19:24:46 !lg * killer~~lernae max=dam x=dam 19:24:49 465. [dam=18] DisappointingRandart the Covert (L13 SpEn of Dithmenos), slain by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:5 (swamp_alternative) on 2014-04-26 21:00:10, with 43804 points after 16947 turns and 1:58:44. 19:24:50 or you used to be able to 19:24:50 Qaz wrath will get you the rC-, sure. 19:24:51 !lg * killer~~lernae max=dam x=sdam 19:24:54 465. [sdam=62] DisappointingRandart the Covert (L13 SpEn of Dithmenos), slain by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:5 (swamp_alternative) on 2014-04-26 21:00:10, with 43804 points after 16947 turns and 1:58:44. 19:25:00 !lg * killer~~lernae max=sdam x=sdam 19:25:04 465. [sdam=186] jhed the Intangible (L25 MiFi of Cheibriados), mangled by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:5 (swamp_old_school) on 2012-01-23 18:30:31, with 455572 points after 69166 turns and 5:18:09. 19:25:08 !lg * ikiller=~lerna s=name 19:25:11 ...mifi? 19:25:14 465 games for * (ikiller=~lerna): 4x qtip, 3x keymashgrqeeg, 3x Neuromancer, 3x moose, 3x Snack, 3x gammafunk, 2x Wolfechu, 2x PolkaDot, 2x DrKe, 2x pfcuttle, 2x Yermak, 2x TheSomberlain, 2x dialectric, 2x EriktheRed, 2x WeiSong, 2x agentgt, 2x PurpleRed, 2x EugeneJudo, 2x frobop, 2x timbw, 2x nachodelamancha, 2x monk12, 2x Sharkman1231, 2x Vidiiot, 2x brae, 2x SiotWarrior, 2x MisterTik, 2x crowhi... 19:25:15 !lg * killer~~lernae max=sdam x=sdam,ac 19:25:17 PleasingFungus: Chei 19:25:18 465. [sdam=186;ac=0] jhed the Intangible (L25 MiFi of Cheibriados), mangled by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:5 (swamp_old_school) on 2012-01-23 18:30:31, with 455572 points after 69166 turns and 5:18:09. 19:25:23 ac=0 19:25:24 oh man, just one more and I tie for 1st 19:25:26 oh 19:25:26 (probably before AC was tracked) 19:25:27 very old 19:25:29 ya 19:25:36 gotta be cheistep into water 19:25:43 !log !lg * killer~~lernae max=sdam x=sdam,ac 19:25:46 erp 19:25:47 465. jhed, XL25 MiFi, T:69166: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/jhed/morgue-jhed-20120123-183031.txt 19:25:57 ...I was just about to work on something and now I can't remember what it was. 19:26:04 haha 19:26:04 Maybe I will look through some Mantis vaults while I think about it. 19:26:10 Grunt: tomb subvaults imo 19:26:16 %git --author=Grunt 19:26:17 Could not find commit --author=Grunt (git returned 129) 19:26:17 please tag them with gammafunk 19:26:22 %git HEAD^{/subvault} 19:26:22 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1696-g07ffd31: Use functions to specify the Tomb monster sets. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 65+ 55-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07ffd3151670 19:26:26 %git HEAD^{/subvault}^^{/subvault} 19:26:27 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1695-g8ede583: A Tomb:2 ambush subvault and two Tomb:3 subvaults. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 94+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ede583883a8 19:26:30 gammafunk: I'm all over it............ 19:26:42 ahaha grunt he had 19:26:43 I know, but I'm told we need more 19:26:45 ponderhat.... 19:26:50 PleasingFungus: !!!!!!! 19:26:58 also, two +7 slayrings 19:27:03 Grunt: oh, servitor for freddie? 19:27:13 gammafunk: I don't think that was it, but it's on my mind. 19:27:39 PleasingFungus: you have to SLAY the hydra 19:27:56 You could see 27-headed Lernaean hydra. 19:28:02 articles are hard 19:28:33 that means he had 27 Learnaen hydra with heads intact in LOS!!! 19:28:39 whoa..... 19:29:15 consider teleporting in such cases imo 19:29:21 1fight 27 the Lernaean hydra vs 19:29:23 hm 19:29:34 27 trj 19:29:39 oh I have a better idea 19:29:59 !fight 27 the Lernaean hydra vs Cerebov, Gloorx Vloq, Mnoleg, Lom Lobon delay:10 t:30 19:30:33 wow they can win! 19:30:48 buff panlords more imo........ 19:30:50 <_< 19:31:14 wow this is surprisingly even 19:31:26 yeah I'd never guess it'd be so close 19:31:29 needs more moths of wrath 19:31:32 27*18 is going to do a lot of damage even through pan lord ac 19:31:38 27 the Lernaean hydra perm_ench:berserk 19:31:46 i think cere has only 30 19:32:07 !fight 27 the Lernaean hydra perm_ench:berserk vs Cerebov, Gloorx Vloq, Mnoleg, Lom Lobon delay:10 t:30 19:32:18 !fight cancel 19:32:25 !fight 27 the Lernaean hydra perm_ench:berserk vs Cerebov, Gloorx Vloq, Mnoleg, Lom Lobon, 23 pandemonium lord delay:10 t:30 19:32:39 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:32:43 mmmmmmmmmmmm 19:33:01 Lom seems to be a liability in this kind of melee........ 19:33:09 I wonder why pan lords / ghosts never got parrow / pcloud / shadow creatures so long ago 19:33:16 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:18 They didn't?? 19:33:38 part of that commit I was working on ages ago was fixing that 19:33:53 that almost looked like a Haiku 19:34:04 I can see an argument for not getting Shadow Creatures on account of dull monster sets, and I can kind of see there being an argument for parrow being a Gloorx thing in that context, but many other things have parrow these days.... 19:34:29 note that those lists still had every single level 1-3 spell possible 19:35:04 dull monster sets, unlike summon ugly thing 19:35:47 O 19:35:49 er 19:35:49 oh. I forget - did you remove panlord sputterflies? 19:35:59 yes, for vermin 19:36:09 I've been wondering if panlords might benefit from spell selection along the line of the randliches thing I was working on a short time ago. 19:36:22 Giving them a realistic spell list would be a great start though..... 19:36:28 realism...........? 19:36:37 ??realism of panlords 19:36:37 I don't have a page labeled realism_of_panlords in my learndb. 19:36:41 I kinda like their hapazardly random results 19:36:50 only kinda 19:36:53 it's very 19:36:54 panicked 19:36:54 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37:01 chaotic, even...... 19:38:37 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:40:07 I was vaguely considering suggesting that panlord sputterflies come back - it *is* pretty funny 19:40:09 as a sometimes thing 19:40:18 panlord sting = boring, panlord sputterflies = !?!? 19:40:32 panlords should still get sting 19:40:33 but 19:40:33 only 19:40:37 if they have banishment.... 19:40:38 -!- st_ has quit [] 19:40:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:41:31 af_level_1_spell 19:41:33 first the sting (for poison stacks), then the banishment. that way, the player takes damage over time without being able to retaliate! 19:41:37 it's a flawless plan. 19:41:38 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:49 wizard (06p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 31-50 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 666 | Sp: b.venom (3d15), mystic blast (3d15), invisibility, confuse, slow, 04esc: teleport self / crystal spear (3d28), blink, b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), 04esc: minor healing (2d5) / magic dart (3d5), paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d17), confuse, 04esc: teleport self / paralyse, throw flame (3d8), invisibility, fireball (3d19), 04esc: teleport other / stone arrow (3d17), sting (d10), blink, b.lightning (3d17), banishment, 04esc: minor healing (2d5) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:41:49 %??wizard 19:41:50 ogre mage (06O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 40-68 | AC/EV: 1/7 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 925 | Sp: haste other, crystal spear (3d28), blink, b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), 04esc: minor healing (2d5) / haste other, mystic blast (3d15), invisibility, confuse, slow, 04esc: teleport self / haste other, paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d17), confuse, 04esc: teleport self / haste other, sting (d10), blink, b.lightning (3d17), banishment, 04esc: minor healing (2d5) / haste other, throw flame (3d8), invisibility, teleport other, fireball (3d19) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:41:50 %??ogre mage 19:41:57 examine the spell sets closely.............. 19:42:18 augh, my eyes 19:42:28 The monster definitions hit PleasingFungus! 19:42:37 no thanks, much easier to source 19:42:41 oh yeah. would anyone mind if I cleaned out a few weird minor_healing from msts? 19:42:45 like dowan's 19:42:54 by "anyone" I mean "the two people in the conversation right now" 19:42:56 oh god yes 19:43:06 i'm not even in the conversation i don't care 19:43:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:33 who else besides dowan 19:43:48 lemme look 19:44:05 theTower: %??wizard 19:44:08 ya 19:44:10 also 19:44:12 Norris (07@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 214 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 36 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 5062 | Sp: brain feed, smiting (7-17), invisibility, confuse, paralyse, 04esc: minor healing (2d10) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:44:12 %??norris 19:44:33 I think those three 19:44:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:38 norris goes against his theme, cut it 19:44:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:45:11 ogre mages too? 19:45:47 eh, ogre mages are buff monsters 19:45:51 haste other, etc 19:46:02 idk. I don't feel strongly about it either way 19:46:06 also, hm 19:46:10 I've been considering the possibility of giving ogre mages some additional combination of might other or invisibility other on occasion... 19:46:15 !source mon-death.cc:3438 19:46:16 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-death.cc;hb=HEAD#l3438 19:46:16 (might other on ogres might be quite powerful) 19:46:31 already lots of might other in vaults 19:46:33 with the convokers 19:46:44 ogre mages are not only a vaults thing....... 19:46:46 Grunt: ^ will removing dowan's minor healing break that code? 19:47:00 Clearly buff monster agility from a fixed +5 ev and then 19:47:09 oh, I guess not 19:47:14 since that doesn't touch it anyway 19:47:17 nvm 19:47:33 PleasingFungus: wow that code is atrocious in this context 19:47:37 er 19:47:41 in the context of mon-spell-slots 19:47:42 s/in this context// 19:47:45 :) 19:47:49 actually that's unfair 19:47:58 it was perfectly fine back in the context of old spell slots 19:48:03 (but old spell slots were bad) 19:48:33 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:48:39 thus 19:48:42 in the context of mon-spell-slots 19:48:43 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:43 ! 19:48:47 ya 19:49:44 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:47 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:47 what was the name of the ancient spellschool that minor heal was in? holy...? 19:53:30 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:54:24 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:28 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 19:55:10 Out of curoisity: With the mon-spells refactoring, what is the point of monsters have multiple spellsets as opposed to a single set with a lot of spells on low probability? 19:55:30 (I believe the mon-spell refactoring can handle more than six spells?) 19:56:04 from the player perspective 19:56:25 Oh, Holy was the spell school minor heal was in IIRC 19:56:28 ty :) 19:56:39 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-book.cc;h=c6efbae9cf553557333c7dd82231fbb7240df16e;hb=aa88fdd8c6ad2da5eb5bd933e2d53d56cd8c176f#l285 19:56:51 ! 19:56:59 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:28 reaverb: if you see an ogre mage cast, say, mystic blast, or invisibility, you know they don't have banishment or crystal spear 19:57:32 I think I got those right 19:57:32 well, I am not precisely sure if multiple emergency spells works 19:58:10 -!- bullock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:58:11 PleasingFungus: I don't think that's desirable, it seems awkward to have the check the lists to see what spells it can/can't have. 19:58:34 (This was obviously a bigger problem when spell lists were not on xv) 19:59:00 well, on the other hand, this does imply that one might want to remember the _full_ list of what a monster might have if it always has all the spells it can have >_> 19:59:17 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:34 A monster can have multiple emergency spells, sure. 19:59:37 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:59:51 It'll pick randomly from amongst the applicable ones in emergencies. 20:00:15 reaverb: on my TODO is improving the UI for xving monsters 20:00:20 -!- saltylicorice has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:29 Oh boy, every ogre mage having a slim chance to teleport self 20:00:32 tracking which spells the player has seen them cast, and lighting/darkening the appropriate books 20:00:48 part of that was a gdd suggestion 20:01:09 theTower: If the monster hasn't cast a spell yet, you have to remember the full list as much as you have to remember the full list if monsters could cast all possible spells. 20:01:21 more directly to your point: I think it's a neat little minigame, and it helps lend individual monsters a *little* more character than if they all had the same, very long spell list. 20:01:59 fair enough 20:02:33 I'd think it'd be muddling, still, for not necessarily solid benefits 20:02:59 PleasingFungus: I think variance in what spells monsters would cast due to random chance would be enough to give individual fights "character". 20:03:38 Eh. Not really. 20:04:55 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1726-ga121557: Remove some Minor Healing 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1215577112a 20:05:00 the spellsets that are explicitly meant to be capable of many things at once would, while still more reliably casting, would be less distinct 20:05:08 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:09 Norris mumbles some strange prayers to his god against you. Something smites you! 20:05:11 deep elf conjurers come to mind as an example 20:05:13 mm 20:05:16 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:05:53 To look at from another direction: If orc wizards (for instance) could currently cast any of (Magic Dart, Slow, Haste, Blinking, Throw Flame, Invisibility, Confuse, Cantrip), would we even consider changing orc wizards to use one of three possible lists with a subset of those spells? 20:05:57 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:04 Yes. 20:06:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:37 that seems a bit unfair, since orc wizards have sets very close to one another compared to the disparities of liches and wizards 20:06:39 For another example of good spellbooks, see tere 20:06:42 ??tengu reaver 20:06:43 tengu reaver[1/1]: Conjures at you (including {battlesphere}), then hits you much harder than other tengu. Beware! 20:06:45 erp 20:06:47 tengu reaver (13Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 17 | HP: 73-98 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 27, 11, 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 2034 | Sp: b.lightning (3d22), battlesphere, freezing cloud (2d27) / b.magma (3d26), battlesphere, fireball (3d27) / b.venom (3d21), b.corrosive (3d21), battlesphere, poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 20:06:47 %??tengu reaver 20:06:57 * Grunt conjures at PleasingFungus (including battlesphere). 20:07:02 including !!! 20:07:11 * Grunt hits PleasingFungus!!!!!!!!!!! 20:07:18 * Grunt fires! The barrage of energy hits PleasingFungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:07:41 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:07:42 !lg * killer~~battlesphere max=dam x=dam 20:07:45 585. [dam=28] RBrandon the Arsonist (L18 HOFE of Beogh), hit from afar by a battlesphere (created by a tengu reaver (led by Sojobo)) on Depths:1 on 2014-02-01 14:10:09, with 191586 points after 55428 turns and 3:49:38. 20:07:49 <|amethyst> hm 20:07:51 good parens 20:07:52 <|amethyst> I'm confused by 20:07:59 <|amethyst> %git 005fe46 20:07:59 07doy02 * 0.16-a0-1723-g005fe46: fix bad item crashes (PleasingFungus) 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=005fe4673234 20:08:13 Grunt: Oh, thanks for answering the emergency mon spell question by the way. 20:08:23 <|amethyst> how does adding a call to misc_type_name fix crashes? 20:08:35 non-decks were no longer getting named 20:08:39 -!- Annabella| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:08:50 so "ITEM: crystal ball of energy" broke des parsing 20:08:52 ya 20:08:57 *non-deck misc items 20:09:02 <|amethyst> oh 20:09:35 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:09:48 I guess switching to a particular ring (rPois vs. rF) against a particular tengu reaver spellset might occasionaly be relevant. 20:10:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1727-gad0dc3c: Make Norris follow the one true god 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad0dc3c4b87b 20:10:07 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:10:10 I've found myself doing that, yes. 20:10:32 also, the combinations are not entirely arbitrary; for example, do you really want orc wizards with both invis and blink? 20:11:04 (that's what boggarts are for :)) 20:11:17 wheals: Hehe. 20:11:49 Hmm, I'm thinking of putting "Any of a very large list of spells" on a unique now, to see how it works. 20:12:48 I think there's a loss of control I'm just unfond of: if liches could cast every spell they had, how many times would you see greater demon from them? 20:13:12 !send PleasingFungus NO GOD 20:13:13 Sending NO GOD to PleasingFungus. 20:14:02 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:15:40 i wonder if it would be cool for norris to have one of the ds spells 20:15:54 which one do you have in mind? 20:16:01 unfortunately none of them really convey "hurting both of you" except for chaotic mirror, which is very xomly 20:16:15 oh 20:16:16 give Norris 20:16:17 torment 20:16:20 * Grunt cackles. 20:16:22 (don' 20:16:26 (don't actually do that......) 20:16:31 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:33 PleasingFungus: public beta fyi http://crawl.project357.org/ 20:16:40 sounds vaguely familiar 20:16:42 I logged in when you linked me last time!!! 20:16:44 has a gnoll class ever been in development? 20:16:57 firstly what is a "class" 20:16:58 theTower: wasn't that your suggestion? 20:17:00 someone suggested it 20:17:02 secondly what would a player gnoll do 20:17:03 I still like the idea.... 20:17:07 PleasingFungus: sorry i'm in 'tell everyone' mode 20:17:11 <3 20:17:13 yes, I did, which is why I was using "vaguely" 20:17:13 Grunt, +5 polearms apt 20:17:14 !lg * gn 20:17:14 Grunt: earth merfolk? 20:17:16 3547. Zardoz the Charm-Maker (L1 GnEn), blasted by Sigmund (magic dart) on D:2 on 2010-03-01 07:39:36, with 18 points after 22 turns and 0:01:06. 20:17:24 for literally years 20:17:28 I thought that 'gn' were gnolls 20:17:32 alefury: fighters start with a halberd???? 20:17:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17:40 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:17:41 ??Gn 20:17:41 I don't have a page labeled Gn in my learndb. Did you mean: en, gc, ge, gh, gl, gr, gw, pn, rn, wn. 20:17:47 !wtf Gn-- 20:17:48 Gnome* 20:17:49 i was thinking that black mark could work but it's weird since it's associated with demonspawn 20:17:49 !wtf gnre 20:17:50 Gnome* Reaver* 20:17:54 i guess he could become one 20:17:56 reaverb: it's you!!! 20:18:02 we've already got murray for black mark! 20:18:04 wheals: we already - ha 20:18:05 yes 20:18:06 o right 20:18:10 hm 20:18:15 !lm . noun=murray 20:18:16 5. [2014-09-13 06:21:03] PleasingFungus the Slayer (L25 MiNe of Makhleb) killed Murray on turn 47027. (Hell) 20:18:18 still i just convinced myself that he should totally be a ds 20:18:27 he could be a ds, sure 20:18:42 obviously he is a ds so he gets Powered by Pain 20:18:47 !!! 20:19:08 !killratio murray . 20:19:09 No battles for murray and Grunt. 20:19:10 :( 20:19:24 would he also have spines by this measure 20:19:26 powered by pain AND death (except that the latter never happens since he has no allies) 20:19:52 once more a reason to buff monster agility >_> 20:19:55 wheals: there is a problem's solution....... 20:20:01 friendship :) 20:20:04 !Q 20:20:06 er 20:20:06 ! 20:20:24 !Q^azlal 20:20:24 !Qyes 20:20:24 ^Qazlal 20:20:24 ??upheaval 20:20:25 upheaval[1/1]: {Qazlal}'s 2* ability; blasts a small (increasing with Invocations) area around a smite-targeted location with lava, ice, air (like Airstrike), or rubble (earth) damage. Lava can leave lava tiles; ice flash-freezes enemies; air leaves storm clouds; earth can destroy walls. 20:20:34 ??devsprint[ruin 20:20:35 devsprint[3/13]: MarvinPA: an iron golem who casts {disaster area} every turn, ruining everything. 20:20:53 !lm marvinpa 20:20:54 25022. [2014-10-04 21:37:44] MarvinPA the Farming Plane Slider (L27 NaEE of Ashenzari) (Lair:2) 20:20:56 I still kinda want qaz draconian zealots 20:20:59 !seen MarinvPA 20:20:59 Sorry reaverb, I haven't seen marinvpa. 20:21:00 todo let monsters use those invocations so that I can see that in action....... 20:21:07 !seen MarvinPA 20:21:07 I last saw MarvinPA at Sun Oct 5 00:15:03 2014 UTC (3w 4d 1h 6m 4s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 20:21:10 idea: vary zealot spellsets based on other gods?? 20:21:19 I suppose the random lava would be very bad sometimes? 20:21:24 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:21:33 though nearly everything in zot has ranged at least 20:21:51 bone dragons, tmons, 20:21:57 nearlyyyyyyy 20:22:02 (orb guardians) 20:22:08 grey draconian monks! 20:22:14 * Grunt punches wheals. 20:22:18 death cobs... 20:22:20 * Grunt tail-slaps wheals. 20:23:22 they _come_ in a band that has lots of ranged, at any rate 20:23:33 yah 20:24:16 when i was digging around in past code, i found out that drac bands were once all one colour 20:24:26 cute 20:24:30 that's kinda neat 20:25:07 %git a4d7a2e926fd6cb93e044b7e35de6e86bc91ea36 20:25:07 07greensnark02 * a4d7a2e926fd: More draconian fun. Implemented Erik's idea of same-colour draconian packs, upped band numbers slightly. I wouldn't care to meet a pack of yellow draconians though. 10(8 years ago, 1 file, 44+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4d7a2e926fd 20:25:30 removed in 20:25:30 %git df5e91ec18744 20:25:30 07greensnark02 * df5e91ec1874: [1581210] Draconians go to Zot, deep elves leave. Fixed draconians' eagerness to slay the rest of the pack with ranged attacks. Curse toes are yellow (well, it's a start). Draconian bands are back to their old numbers and composition, which means lots of colourful variety. 10(8 years ago, 7 files, 64+ 97-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df5e91ec1874 20:25:38 _zot_faceoff is amusing in that context :) 20:25:41 (well, it's a start) 20:25:44 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:45 er _zot_stairs_faceoff 20:25:59 Hi nicolae-; I'm looking at a few sets of vaults right now (getting to yours in a moment). 20:26:17 lol curse toes were darkgrey 20:26:18 it would have been nice to have all the dracs for late-D oods 20:26:29 I wouldn't care to meet a pack of yellow draconians though. 20:26:33 wheals: ugh 20:26:41 right, I was going to comment on nicolae-'s vaults 20:27:09 i see 20:27:13 I think part of it was that I had a brief idea for what a ru altar might look like 20:27:47 ru is not an easy god to conceptualize in vaults, it's true 20:27:52 also I am fond of _splitting_head and _sentries_behind_glass 20:28:09 yes, i enjoyed finding ways of exploiting the external geometry 20:28:43 sentries_behind_glass does have one "haha, die, player!" quirk, which is that since dancing weapons are usually faster than the player as soon as the player opens the runed door both dancing weapons will immediately hit them 20:28:51 if necessary i have a few ideas to fix that 20:29:03 tbf 20:29:04 rune door 20:29:10 true 20:29:28 i wasn't super concerned about it which is why i submitted the vault as-is 20:30:14 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1728-gdb2a1f9: Unionize 10(20 hours ago, 31 files, 308+ 292-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db2a1f968058 20:30:17 _great_annihilating_truth: I don't like sticking a monster on the altar that can't move off of the altar; I'd rather have just the four tiles (a good SHUFFLE and reglyph can pick four of the five effects). 20:30:28 * Grunt unsuccessfully fights PleasingFungus' attempt to code! 20:30:35 * PleasingFungus goes on strike! 20:30:55 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:06 Grunt: is that because you have to kill it to get it to move, or because console players won't know there's an altar there? 20:31:17 Both. 20:31:30 where are these vaults? they seem interesting. 20:31:35 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9101 20:31:37 mantis 20:31:57 I kind of feel like changing the inner part of the eye in _awakened_eye to another wall type <_< 20:32:04 PleasingFungus: +1 for the Unionize commit (although the commit message could be clearer <_< >_>) 20:32:13 -!- Mazed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:14 there is strength in a union, you know 20:32:28 Grunt: couldn't hurt, for a while i had a blue iris made of shallow water 20:32:36 mm I like that idea 20:32:49 reaverb: I thought I explained myself fairly carefully! 20:32:57 I guess I removed some of the caveats after cleaning them up 20:33:00 e.g. the great mystery of the book_thing 20:33:16 PleasingFungus: I was thinking of just the first line. "Unionize" 20:33:29 what else could it mean...? 20:33:51 Grunt: okiedoke. 20:34:16 PleasingFungus: Making the first line read "Changeanumberofitemfieldstouseunions" is what I would have done. 20:34:25 Maybe cutting some chars if necessary. 20:34:37 we are different, you and I. 20:35:52 PleasingFungus, that is a very poor commit message 20:36:05 my suggestion: "Unionise." 20:36:20 :( 20:36:22 I fucked up 20:36:24 PleasingFunugs: Anyway, thanks again for the great refactoring :D 20:36:31 Grunt, theTower: any other comments, if not i can fix up great_annihilating_truth and awakened_eye real quick 20:36:46 fr: grunt_annihilating_truth 20:36:49 I read it over twice forward and once backward, but I still might have made an error somewhere 20:36:58 nicolae-: I can fix them too....... <_< 20:37:08 * Grunt annihilates wheals!!! 20:37:09 couldn't just find-and-replace, since it was the same field getting changed to many things... 20:37:16 I wouldn't put the decor tag on the 0 charge wands shop 20:37:22 hopefully didn't botch anything too major 20:37:23 Yeah, that is a bad idea. 20:37:32 it's still valuable 20:37:34 Even a discharged wand can be-- yes. 20:37:37 ah, good point 20:37:48 Grunt: well if you want to fix them that's fine too 20:37:55 !vault wand_duel 20:37:56 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des;hb=HEAD#l3126 20:37:57 but i figured i'd at least offer 20:38:23 good old wand duel 20:38:31 still happy I brought that one back :) 20:38:41 feels like the sort of thing you'd find in a random encounter in fallout 2, or s/t 20:38:49 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 20:38:50 as am i, i usually don't mind when my vaults get axed because, well, whatever, but a lot of people seemed to like that one 20:39:04 AXE VAULT 20:39:18 the reasoning for it being removed was kind of bad. it makes no sense within crawl's mechanics, since they couldn't have both blasted each-other at the same time!!!! 20:39:30 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, might want to make that skill_type skill:16; not sure what to do about the bool 20:39:39 rip grunt_guarded_unrand_arga 20:39:45 (axe vault indeed!!!!!!!) 20:39:59 obviously the wand duelists were using some sort of arcane time magic 20:40:32 Crashes during travel, starting a crash loop on startup 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9106 by funktuous 20:40:32 just a brief curiosity, but when you were mentioning abstract designs for ru vaults I couldn't help think of http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Brx9jTCp >_> 20:40:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the problem being that item.plus2 = unmarshallShort(th); will only overwrite 16 bits 20:40:38 heh 20:41:02 That vault gives me an idea, actually. 20:41:16 theTower: that took me a while to get but i really like it, you should submit it 20:41:18 what size is an enum? 20:41:19 Sadly it'd never fly, but I'll probably do it up after I'm done here just to show it :) 20:41:39 |amethyst, but what happens when we add the 65537th skill 20:41:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: whatever size the compiler gives it (can't specify in C++03) but probably 32 bits 20:41:57 perhaps, I could slip it into a batch 20:42:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: since that's the native word size 20:42:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: likewise bool is probably 32 bits 20:43:00 wand_duel is easy to explain 20:43:11 huh 20:43:13 they zapped a disint wand at each other, but failed because high MR 20:43:14 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:43:14 huh, i could swear i saw a place forcing an enum size 20:43:27 Then they cast IOOD at each other, the orbs missed each other and the end result was blowing each other up 20:43:40 :v 20:43:41 wheals: more than 27 skills...!?!? 20:43:44 itemname.cc: In member function ‘std::string item_def::name_aux(description_level_type, bool, bool, bool, iflags_t) const’: 20:43:47 itemname.cc:1556:17: warning: declaration of ‘brand’ shadows a member of 'this' [-Wshadow] 20:44:08 spl-book.cc: In function ‘bool make_book_theme_randart(item_def&, std::vector, int, int, int, int, std::string, std::string, bool)’: 20:44:11 spl-book.cc:1957:9: warning: variable ‘disc1_pos’ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable] 20:44:18 is it something like //Shortcuts. int brand = special; 20:44:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: also, probably the second union should be inside the #pragma pack(), or we should get rid of it 20:44:38 (I'm probably missing something in this commit, but here we go anyway) 20:44:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (it being the pragma) 20:44:46 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-1729-g5dbe7b57: A pile of vaults from various authors (#8862, #9036, #9101). 10(4 minutes ago, 7 files, 567+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dbe7b573086 20:45:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: though I guess it's probably worth checking offsetof() both ways 20:45:26 Grunt, what happened to the vault made by mystery guy 20:45:38 hm 20:45:40 yes 20:45:41 mystery guy 20:45:43 yes 20:48:05 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Client Quit] 20:48:27 |amethyst: 20:48:29 ./externs.h:547:14: warning: size of bit-field 'net_placed' (16 bits) exceeds the size of its type; value will be truncated to 8 bits 20:48:31 bool net_placed:16; ///< is this throwing net trapping something? 20:48:38 looks like it's storing it in a byte 20:48:44 why not :1 20:49:03 word alignment, probably 20:49:06 <|amethyst> oh, hm 20:49:15 "screw performance" 20:49:25 lern2bitfield :) 20:49:30 oh, i meant why not make it net_placed:1 20:49:38 or would that simply not work 20:49:41 ya I know 20:49:59 i assumed it wouldn't actually store it in one bit, that would be inconvenient 20:50:16 ??plan 20:50:17 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 20:50:20 <|amethyst> ah, I guess it is a byte on gcc/x86 by default 20:50:37 <|amethyst> hm 20:50:56 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Client Quit] 20:52:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53:09 PleasingFungus: the neutral halflings were the most hilarious parts of that vault. you're history's greatest monster 20:53:24 wasn't that kobold_campfire 20:53:30 uh 20:53:31 or _supper maybe 20:53:32 I didn't do anything 20:53:34 besides tweet 20:53:35 I'm not PleasingFungus. 20:53:38 Not publicly, at least. 20:53:42 you're not pleasing anything 20:53:46 brutal 20:53:46 BOOM *drops mic* 20:53:49 !lg * map=~lexackson s=killer 20:53:50 460 games for * (map=~lexackson): 104x, 73x a kobold, 64x a young halfling, 57x a halfling, 38x an orc warrior, 28x a hungry kobold, 16x a giant gecko, 14x a naga warrior, 11x a cyclops, 11x a centaur warrior, 7x a hill giant, 4x an adder, 3x a big kobold, 2x an ooze, 2x Sigmund, 2x an orc, 2x a goblin, 2x a gnoll, 2x an orc knight, a ball python, whig's ghost, a reaper, an iguana, a centaur, a ra... 20:54:09 !lg * killer=hungry_kobold 20:54:10 123. rauk2000 the Insei (L1 OpMo), slain by a hungry kobold on D:1 (lexackson_kobold_supper) on 2013-07-23 21:20:49, with 6 points after 145 turns and 0:00:20. 20:54:15 !lg * killer=terrified_wizard 20:54:16 1. PTOANNNG the Martial Artist (L10 DgMo), slain by a terrified wizard on D:10 (trog_wizard) on 2013-05-12 23:30:41, with 5908 points after 19616 turns and 0:26:20. 20:54:45 Anyway here is that silly Ru altar vault idea: 20:54:47 I thought st_'s vault monster purge would have made him istoy's reatest etc 20:54:49 http://sprunge.us/MhDH 20:54:51 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:55:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1730-ge781c34: Cleanup (Grunt, |amethyst) 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e781c3414c3c 20:55:07 uggggghhhh 20:55:21 !purgatory grunt 20:55:28 PleasingFungus: I did get a warning about disc2_pos too......... 20:55:41 heh, two rats come into view, one lightcyan one magenta 20:55:47 oops 20:55:48 (good, I see my wit is as sharp as my vault design) 20:55:58 <_< 20:56:01 labratory rats?? 20:56:05 Grunt: remove it yourself!!! 20:56:06 hrm, i'm not entirely sure i get it 20:56:18 nicolae-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative) 20:56:22 yes 20:56:51 ah, i've heard that meaning of mu before 20:57:02 just didn't recognize the symbol 20:57:03 ah, i was looking for a greek letter 20:57:05 Does this vault have the Buddha-nature? 20:57:07 or possibly a dev 20:57:15 if you meet the player in the vault, kill them 20:57:37 -!- VoidFox has quit [Changing host] 20:58:30 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-1731-gbc78bdd: Further de-warning. 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc78bdd2dfa1 20:58:41 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:58:49 Ashenzari warns you: It is crawlcode. 20:58:54 -!- VoidFox has quit [Client Quit] 20:59:19 RIP enigmatically named local variables 20:59:38 a riddle wrapped in a mystery in enigmatic crawlcode???? 20:59:43 dang... 21:00:49 (still trying to think of the something I was going to work on earlier) 21:01:27 implementing a new branch 21:01:29 Grunt: tomb subvaults imo 21:01:42 gammafunk: Tomb isn't exclusively my branch, you know.......... 21:01:53 no I just love this opportunity >_> 21:01:55 * theTower coughs 21:02:16 gammafunk: imo make your own subvaults before you try turning that on me :b 21:02:43 oh, speaking of this topic 21:02:56 well I did make one, I just didn't like it 21:03:01 v0v 21:03:04 I saw you kind of did do a scarab vault though 21:03:15 I think you vaguely alluded to having an idea of how to make a better torment tracer? 21:03:18 which was a better approach than mine, which was a bit too literal 21:03:46 I'd have to go back and look in the logs, because if I had an idea I've forgotten it by now. 21:03:57 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:04:05 all you said was something about a sink >_> 21:04:06 sigh, running gdb with my console in crawl settings 21:05:23 The dish washer returns! 21:07:29 don't kick the sink... 21:09:15 -!- Pluie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:48 hm. negativity in shield reform thread 21:09:57 !send PleasingFungus rN+++ 21:09:57 Sending rN+++ to PleasingFungus. 21:10:12 * PleasingFungus feels negative! 21:10:14 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:22 a negative tavern thread ????? 21:10:32 negative discussions on crawl ????? 21:11:14 I am watching someone play Tomb as an undead and using Haunt and Forceful Dismissal........ 21:11:17 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:11:20 (Hurricos on cszo for the curious) 21:11:30 how's that working out 21:11:34 sounds terrible 21:11:35 I have literally never seen someone use forceful dismissal 21:11:36 huh, i haven't heard all that good about FD 21:11:42 I tried it 21:11:48 with dragonstorm 21:11:50 ask gammafunk 21:12:02 I kind of feel like it's the modern day combination of pcloud + Ignite Poison. 21:12:04 it was basically a spell that cancelled dragonstorm prematurely 21:12:27 boom 21:12:49 Grunt: on the other hand: instead of being five schools, it's two schools. 21:12:53 true. 21:12:54 ugh, this laptop shrinks webtiles for some reason 21:12:54 actually shield discussion is very nonnegative for a tavern thread it looks like??? 21:13:12 wheals: ya, it's a reasonable discussion 21:13:13 oh I remembered what I was going to work on 21:13:14 I love how he needs half a dozen haunts just to stop the gmummy from walking towards him 21:13:18 If you buff the damage on forceful dismissal enough, it will /eventually/ become useful. 21:13:22 but the last few posts have been raising problematic objections 21:13:27 I have Scattershot coded, so I can do a modern rod of iron really easily...... 21:13:37 reaverb: are you sure that it's currently unuseful? 21:13:39 but what rod would it replace 21:13:42 really more "poor discussion technique" 21:13:42 striking 21:13:44 replace.....? 21:13:54 venom 21:13:56 warding 21:14:01 shielding 21:14:03 oh 21:14:04 wait no that was warding 21:14:06 rip 21:14:06 can't think of rod updates without thinking of how they were locked down in "replacing" 21:14:15 ? 21:14:15 * Grunt evokes the rod. The blast of metal fragments hits wheals!!!! x11 21:14:32 PleasingFungus: That was my impression from "I have literally never seen someone use forceful dismissal" things. 21:14:44 well. I haven't seen many summoners in general 21:14:48 and 99% of those were gammafunk 21:14:52 who has a very specific playstyle 21:15:12 I think I have seen someone use borg like... twice 21:15:17 that does not mean it is a bad spell :) 21:15:43 * Grunt is reminded of a mikee story involving Borg and 10% fail which he can't remember the details of. 21:15:48 fascinating 21:16:03 this haunt + FD combo seems like a hex version of summoning 21:16:11 thanks for that story, Grunt, i'll treasure it always 21:16:18 it is a bit fulminating prism, isn't it? 21:16:28 killing one gmummy requires somewhere between ~5-45mp 21:16:31 * theTower pulls out some logs 21:16:35 depending on where the ghosts happen to spawn 21:16:42 PleasingFungus, was that me 21:16:46 I guess I didn't want to overly encourage 'spam summons, throw them at things, make them explode, repeat' like some kind of semi-CBL 21:16:46 wheals: it was!!! 21:17:06 so... what was it for...? 21:17:24 not done reading 21:17:27 also lol @ "youknowwho". what if someone saw DR*C**M*G*'s TRUE NAME????? 21:17:40 a wizard could gain power over him.... 21:18:07 actually, these logs use and I'm just taunting you at this point 21:18:37 also taunting you I am going to not read these logs because of that 21:18:38 devs trolling each other ????? 21:18:43 it's easier to gain power if you have their hair, teeth, or fingernails *puts a suspiciously full plastic baggie on the table* bidding starts at $100 21:18:47 a misleading dev chat log ?????? 21:19:12 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:19:14 only one, what, how do you remember which is which 21:19:30 just pull out a handful with every spell 21:19:35 satan will know his own!!! 21:19:39 nicolae-, how are your toenail prices 21:20:05 i sell them to the golem manufacturers 21:21:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1732-ga757122: Add a spooky surprise! 10(6 days ago, 9 files, 102+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a757122794cc 21:21:49 golem manufacturer (15p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-45 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:21:49 %?? human name:golem_manufacturer ; hammer ego:flaming 21:22:21 thank you for specifying the hammer :) 21:22:41 !seen gammafunk 21:22:42 I last saw gammafunk at Thu Oct 30 02:07:29 2014 UTC (15m 13s ago) saying 'don't kick the sink...' on ##crawl-dev. 21:22:53 it's kind of difficult to not notice them 21:23:02 hey, i totally contributed in a not-useless way 21:23:39 vaguely wondering if it would keep him up at night to note that He briefly experimented with -Wiz over int drain on XXX / malign 21:24:32 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1733-g3a4182a: Fix another warning. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a4182ac0d98 21:25:04 aha, so he did ascend to godhood 21:25:04 <|amethyst> hm... it would be a lot easier if you could check the size of builtin types in the preprocessor 21:25:04 <|amethyst> re this bool thing 21:25:17 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26:14 huh 21:26:22 are turban enums used for hats 21:26:41 PleasingFungus: commit credit stealer!!!! 21:28:21 I think stat drain would probably do better with some kind of corrosion treatment 21:28:42 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:31:04 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:21 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:33:07 -!- Twinge has quit [] 21:35:19 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:51 theTower: are you talking about a certain someone who hated summons or another certain someone who uses mysterious online accounts that only you know about? 21:36:04 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 21:36:23 probably the latter 21:37:18 also I found out why I'm placing magenta rats 21:37:24 enums are hard 21:37:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:30 gammafunk: hellrat 21:37:47 unknown monster: "orange rate" 21:37:47 %??orange rate name:purple_rat col:magenta 21:37:51 purple rat (06r) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-23 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | evil | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 34 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 21:37:51 %??orange rat name:purple_rat col:magenta 21:38:40 hey, now their colour matches their af type colour 21:38:48 wtf is a purple rat 21:38:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:00 it is a miscoloured rat 21:39:02 tabstorm: it's the new bia summon we're making 21:39:05 whats the point 21:39:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:09 to replace one of the existing ones 21:39:15 not every use of %?? by a dev means that they're planning a monster >_> 21:39:18 part of the bia rework 21:39:37 epic trole X 21:39:38 D 21:39:45 ye olde trolle 21:39:51 meme'd 21:40:13 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 21:40:41 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:41:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:22 chimera (orb of fire, hellephant, raiju) (06H) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | Dam: 4507(trample), 1111(elec:30-44) | Res: 06magic(120), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 13neg+++ | Vul: 11silver | XP: 7287 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), fireball (3d43), malmutate, fire breath (3d60), blink, blinkbolt (2d31) | Sz: little | Int: animal. 21:41:22 %??orb of fire-hellephant-raiju chimera 21:41:46 stop planning monsters!!! 21:41:54 also good breath damage 21:42:17 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 7791 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), fire breath (3d60) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 21:42:17 %??orb of fire spells:bolt_of_fire.100.magical;fire_breath.100.magical 21:42:22 seems kind of off 21:42:27 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 72-102 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1069 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:42:27 %??fire dragon 21:42:28 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 72-106 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:42:28 %?fire dragon 21:42:34 huh 21:43:17 GRUUUUUUUUUNT (16D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 72-102 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 17, 1709(claw), 1707(trample) | cold-blooded, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 983 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:43:17 %??ice dragon name:GRUUUUUUUUUNT n_rpl spells:fire_breath.62.natural.breath 21:43:37 It seems like the breath probably has some HD based formula? 21:43:38 I wonder if anyone died to that because of =fire 21:43:46 thinking of dragons 21:44:17 (todo the platinum dragon - has all dragon resistances, all dragon breath weapons at the same time, ........) 21:44:20 * Grunt runs. 21:44:28 serpent of hell is already a thing 21:44:30 adamant dragon 21:44:32 peh, all the draconian breaths are too complicated to make "buff dragon form breath to be tmut-bolt-of-fire" 21:44:35 at the same time!!!!!! 21:44:36 well it gets triple hellfire breath or something 21:44:37 particularly quickly 21:44:40 so close enough 21:45:00 it would be a good buff otherwise 21:45:10 (tmut-nonexistent-spell) 21:45:31 Grunt, IMO chromatic dragon 21:46:45 isn't tiamat supposed to be the chromatic dragon 21:47:10 she just needs to drop a stone on death 21:47:13 quadratic dragon 21:47:27 *sceptre 21:47:51 oh, yes 21:47:55 the Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 320 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 3504(fire:20-39) per head | 05demonic, 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: head 1: fire breath (3d40), head 2: fireball (3d31), head 3: hellfire (3d20), sum.dragon | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 21:47:55 %??serpent of hell 21:47:55 i always get those two mixed up 21:48:02 wheals: only if we get chromatic dragon armour 21:48:08 (no the cloak does not count) 21:48:15 (unless we turn it into body armour) 21:48:18 wow it can do that much damage? 21:48:19 disco cloak 21:48:23 yes 21:48:26 why would a dragon drop a stone on death? 21:48:29 interesting 21:48:42 i think i've just stomped him easily the few times i fought him recently 21:48:46 I did say it gets a triple breath and the breath timer is one turn or something 21:48:47 he was thinking of the barbarian quest artifact 21:48:49 only 320 hp 21:48:55 which is useful mostly for gray stone id 21:48:56 wheals: Ah. 21:49:07 it's also good for drowning 21:50:05 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:43 New branch created: iron-rod (1 commit) 21:51:43 03Grunt02 07[iron-rod] * 0.16-a0-1734-ga0ca867: Replace the rod of striking with the iron rod. 10(9 days ago, 22 files, 173+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0ca8673f5ce 21:52:10 next, implement the inanimate carbon rot 21:52:12 rod* 21:52:17 evoke for Irradiate? 21:52:18 <3 21:52:20 Who will stand the eh ok we've beaten this joke into the ground already 21:52:36 * Grunt evokes the rod. The blast of metallic fragments hits wheals!!!!!!!! x11 21:52:48 wheals: What's this "Who will stand" joke? 21:52:53 1iron grunt 21:53:05 !source dat/descript/branches.txt 21:53:05 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/branches.txt;hb=HEAD 21:53:06 reaverb: Dis 21:53:13 evokable Demon Core with LOS-range Irradiate 21:53:41 Ah. 21:53:47 I'm playing around with this and the iron rod is surprisingly effective against spriggan enemies. 21:53:57 I guess if you blast a wide enough area you're bound to hit something. :) 21:54:02 cold iron rod 21:54:18 so basically it's a shotgun 21:54:22 wheals: yes! 21:54:39 wheals: need something to go with the lightning rod and QUAD DAMAGE after all...... 21:54:51 perhaps s/This rod allows its wielder/This rod allows its firer/ 21:54:52 "It appears that one end of the rod has been sawed off." 21:56:01 KILL_MISC :( :( :( 21:56:08 ? 21:56:28 wheals: that case should technically never trigger......... 21:56:28 I need to figure out more branch quotes 21:56:39 true 21:56:53 !source SHOTGUN_BEAMS 21:56:53 (I wrote that particular bit of code ages ago as you might guess) 21:56:54 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/target.h;hb=HEAD#l249 21:57:07 good define 21:57:11 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:57:46 maybe I should extend targetter_shotgun for variable number of beams 21:57:49 anyway IMO any use of KILL_MISC is a bug 21:57:50 ...there are background noise explanations in branches.txt, really 21:57:52 Super Scattershot....... 21:58:01 theTower, PF and i added them recently 21:58:13 huh 21:58:53 "The only noise here is the occasional drip of acid" is pretty good 21:59:06 bloop* 21:59:07 yeah the good parts are PF's 21:59:13 <|amethyst> s/drip/drop/ 22:00:18 oh when do we get an exploding iron shot 22:00:24 rod of rockets.......... 22:00:25 "The vaults are five levels deep and contain the silver rune, as well as the entrances to two more branches." 22:00:37 well, I suppose Tomb technically counts, but 22:00:40 I guess we have Hellfire already....... 22:00:44 wizlab, maybe! 22:00:57 Grunt, rod of bolts???? 22:01:07 !send wheals a rod of destruction 22:01:07 Sending a rod of destruction to wheals. 22:01:09 pff, you might as well list all portals in all branches 22:01:12 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:15 oops 22:01:17 rip wheals 22:01:27 I guess I pointed that rod the wrong way. 22:01:29 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:01:59 (right, I was thinking about whether it'd be silly or not to list the exact depths of portals in their branch descriptions, not that anybody reads them) 22:03:33 if players don't read branch descriptions, well, it's hardly the devs' fault 22:04:12 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:59 nicolae-: have *you* read branch descriptions? 22:10:04 like, in-game 22:10:52 anyway, reading the gdd thread has completely drained any enthusiasm for shield reform 22:11:30 yes, occasionally 22:11:33 ! 22:11:35 dang..... 22:11:39 but i'm the weird kind of person who actually reads instruction manuals 22:11:44 !!!!!! 22:11:50 you ARE weird. 22:12:11 1learn add nicolae but i'm the weird kind of person you ARE weird. 22:13:19 it's true 22:13:22 knowledge is power 22:13:27 *taps noggin thoughtfully* 22:14:42 * PleasingFungus taps nicolae-'s noggin, thoughtlessly. 22:14:57 * Grunt crushes PleasingFungus' noggin, mercilessly. 22:15:11 * nicolae- turns on the tap in his noggin, curiously. 22:15:18 maple syrup, the hell- 22:15:29 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:39 You trepannate the curse skull!!!! 22:15:48 fr: drills 22:15:50 <|amethyst> nicolae-: you've been reading Clark Ashton Smith again, haven't you? 22:16:36 !lg * recent zot:4 s=ikiller 22:16:37 79 games for * (recent zot:4): 14x an orb of fire, 6x a curse toe, 5x an Orb Guardian, 4x an electric golem, 3x an ice dragon, 3x, 3x a golden dragon, 3x a yellow draconian, 3x a green draconian zealot, 2x a purple draconian, 2x a white draconian, 2x a yellow draconian caller, 2x a tentacled monstrosity, an ancient lich, a purple draconian monk, a balrug, a green draconian annihilator, a shadow dr... 22:16:45 !lg * zot:4 s=ikiller 22:16:46 310 games for * (zot:4): 32x an orb of fire, 19x an Orb Guardian, 19x a storm dragon, 17x a golden dragon, 16x, 14x Tiamat, 14x an electric golem, 11x a purple draconian, 10x a white draconian, 9x an ancient lich, 9x a curse toe, 8x a tentacled monstrosity, 8x a green draconian zealot, 8x an ice dragon, 7x a Killer Klown, 5x a yellow draconian, 5x a red draconian annihilator, 3x a grey draconian z... 22:16:49 huh 22:16:51 i don't even recognize that name 22:17:06 good position of orb guardians and rise in toes 22:17:09 <|amethyst> nicolae-: contemporary of Lovecraft; see ?/mvine stalker 22:17:17 The Rise In Toes 22:17:20 where's ickiller by the way 22:17:25 <|amethyst> nicolae-: err, the quote in particular 22:17:31 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:17:34 If you want an ickiller just run too much voltage through it 22:17:37 release the magic smoke 22:17:38 theTower: ontoclasm posted https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/kills.txt , suggesting that at one point, orb guardians were the #1 zot:4 killer 22:17:51 !lg * recent lair:3 s=ikiller 22:17:52 2751 games for * (recent lair:3): 210x a spiny frog, 208x Rupert, 161x a black mamba, 161x Snorg, 135x a komodo dragon, 118x a death yak, 117x a blink frog, 108x an eight-headed hydra, 100x Maud, 92x a seven-headed hydra, 71x, 66x a yak, 55x a six-headed hydra, 49x a wolf, 44x an elephant, 43x a five-headed hydra, 41x a catoblepas, 36x an electric eel, 31x Gastronok, 30x Nergalle, 29x Harold, 28x ... 22:17:52 <|amethyst> nicolae-: maple syrup from the head reminded me of that 22:18:01 behind by a hair! 22:18:02 wow 22:18:03 go Rupert 22:18:04 !lg * recent lair:3 s=ikiller 22:18:05 2751 games for * (recent lair:3): 210x a spiny frog, 208x Rupert, 161x a black mamba, 161x Snorg, 135x a komodo dragon, 118x a death yak, 117x a blink frog, 108x an eight-headed hydra, 100x Maud, 92x a seven-headed hydra, 71x, 66x a yak, 55x a six-headed hydra, 49x a wolf, 44x an elephant, 43x a five-headed hydra, 41x a catoblepas, 36x an electric eel, 31x Gastronok, 30x Nergalle, 29x Harold, 28x ... 22:18:07 !lg * recent lair:4 s=ikiller 22:18:08 1932 games for * (recent lair:4): 135x a death yak, 133x Rupert, 101x Snorg, 97x a spiny frog, 92x a black mamba, 92x a blink frog, 77x a komodo dragon, 69x an eight-headed hydra, 66x Maud, 62x, 62x a seven-headed hydra, 50x a yak, 46x a six-headed hydra, 36x an elephant, 34x a five-headed hydra, 32x an electric eel, 30x a wolf spider, 23x a catoblepas, 22x the player character, 22x a boulder beet... 22:18:11 and again! 22:18:15 poor guy.... 22:18:19 rup Ripert 22:18:25 ya 22:18:32 !lg rupert ckiller=rupert 22:18:32 3. rupert the Spry (L13 DrAK of Lugonu), mangled by Rupert (a +2,+0 triple sword of slicing) on Orc:4 on 2011-12-28 16:43:10, with 42634 points after 33830 turns and 2:12:54. 22:18:45 !lg * recent shoals:2 s=ikiller 22:18:46 404 games for * (recent shoals:2): 54x Polyphemus, 39x a merfolk, 36x a water nymph, 32x a merfolk aquamancer, 26x, 24x a kraken, 22x a harpy, 20x a merfolk impaler, 19x a merfolk javelineer, 11x a water elemental, 8x a sea snake, 8x Asterion, 7x a faun, 7x an octopode crusher, 7x a snapping turtle, 6x Jorgrun, 6x a manticore, 5x a wind drake, 5x a siren, 5x a cyclops, 4x Norris, 4x Aizul, 4x Kirk... 22:18:50 huh 22:18:51 ! 22:19:18 !lg * recent ikiller=polyphemus s=ckiller 22:19:19 142 games for * (recent ikiller=polyphemus): 118x Polyphemus, 16x a death yak, 8x a catoblepas 22:19:21 !! 22:19:28 what's ikiller? 22:19:31 !lg * recent ikiller=polyphemus s=status 22:19:32 142 games for * (recent ikiller=polyphemus): 20x, 8x flying, 6x petrified, 4x non-regenerating, 3x repel missiles, 3x petrified,flying, 3x very slightly contaminated, 2x heroism,flying, 2x exhausted,slowed, 2x petrified,heroism, 2x about to teleport,wreathed by umbra, 2x exhausted,petrified,slowed, 2x flying,very slightly contaminated, 2x regenerating, mighty,flying,wreathed by umbra, berserking,p... 22:19:33 indirect killer 22:19:42 ah 22:19:42 Tar the effects of Hell 22:19:43 !killratio polyphemus * recent 22:19:45 like, summoner or pack leader 22:19:46 polyphemus wins 4.163% of battles against * (recent). 22:19:47 =\ 22:19:48 !lg * recent ikiller=polyphemus / status~~petrified 22:19:49 34/142 games for * (recent ikiller=polyphemus): N=34/142 (23.94%) 22:19:49 not bad 22:19:53 mm 22:20:04 !lg * tar recent s=ikiller 22:20:05 45 games for * (tar recent): 15x Ereshkigal, 9x the effects of Hell, 3x the rage of Trog, 3x the Serpent of Hell, 3x a reaper, 2x the fury of Okawaru, 2x, an ancient lich, a shadow wraith, an ice dragon skeleton, a shadow dragon, a shadow demon, a Shadow Fiend, a hellion, a lich 22:20:11 eresh pullin' ahead 22:20:16 good 22:20:18 also, uh. trog 22:20:23 this must be out of date, abyss:4 and :5 cannot possibly be large abomination 22:20:25 i love how trog/oka wrath never fall behind 22:20:29 love 'em 22:20:40 !lg * recent abyss:4 s=ikiller 22:20:41 !lg * recent crypt s=ikiller 22:20:41 123 games for * (recent abyss:4): 13x a starcursed mass, 9x a smoke demon, 9x a large abomination, 8x a spatial maelstrom, 7x, 6x a tentacled starspawn, 5x a lich, 4x an Executioner, 4x a balrug, 3x a wretched star, 3x a hellephant, 3x a shadow wraith, 2x a worldbinder, 2x an ancient lich, 2x a raiju, 2x an eidolon, 2x the fury of Okawaru, 2x a hellion, 2x a naga, 2x a thrashing horror, the fury o... 22:20:41 342 games for * (recent crypt): 51x the fury of Okawaru, 31x an ancient lich, 20x a lich, 19x a vampire knight, 17x a curse skull, 16x the rage of Trog, 14x, 14x a jiangshi, 14x Khufu, 14x a necromancer, 13x an ancient champion, 12x a revenant, 9x Sojobo, 9x a phantasmal warrior, 6x Boris, 6x Margery, 4x a vampire mage, 4x a skeletal warrior, 4x dark miasma, 4x a war gargoyle, 4x a freezing wraith... 22:20:45 !lg * recent abyss:5 s=ikiller 22:20:46 99 games for * (recent abyss:5): 19x a starcursed mass, 8x a lich, 6x an Executioner, 5x a thrashing horror, 5x a smoke demon, 5x a tentacled starspawn, 4x, 4x a large abomination, 4x a raiju, 3x a spatial maelstrom, 3x a bone dragon, 3x a balrug, 3x a Hell Sentinel, 2x a lorocyproca, 2x a chaos spawn, 2x a tentacled monstrosity, 2x a cacodemon, an ettin, a blizzard demon, an eye of devastation, t... 22:20:58 like even after all these years people still fall for oka->tso 22:21:18 minmay: would the wiki lead them astray......? 22:21:39 !lg * recent br=Volcano s=ikiller 22:21:40 786 games for * (recent br=Volcano): 132x, 82x a molten gargoyle, 54x a lava snake, 39x a salamander, 34x an orc warrior, 27x a gargoyle, 26x a vampire, 26x a fire elemental, 25x a fire bat, 18x a lindwurm, 18x a centaur warrior, 18x a manticore, 17x a fire crab, 17x a sun demon, 14x a hell knight, 13x a fire drake, 11x a firespitter statue, 11x a red devil, 9x a two-headed ogre, 9x a yaktaur, 9x ... 22:21:49 !lg * br=wizlab 22:21:49 338. cribozai the Devastator (L19 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by an electric golem (bolt of lightning) in WizLab (wizlab_doroklohe) on 2014-10-29 14:56:22, with 273204 points after 60934 turns and 5:45:11. 22:21:56 !lg * br=wizlab recent s=ikiller 22:21:58 164 games for * (br=wizlab recent): 28x old memories, 14x an eldritch tentacle, 14x a conjurer statue, 10x an antique lich, 8x an ancient lich, 6x, 6x a purple draconian, 6x an ancient champion, 5x a hellion, 3x an electric golem, 3x a vapour, 3x a balrug, 2x a mummy priest, 2x a cacodemon, 2x a vampiric battleaxe, 2x a battleaxe of electrocution, 2x a glaive of dragon slaying, 2x a satyr, 2x a de... 22:22:00 what's that empty 132x in volcano? 22:22:02 heh 22:22:05 clouds? 22:22:07 falling in? 22:22:08 ah 22:22:13 !lg * br=volcano ckiller= s=ckaux 22:22:14 No games for * (br=volcano ckiller=). 22:22:23 !lg * br=volcano ikiller= s=ckaux 22:22:23 411 games for * (br=volcano ikiller=): 348x flame, 51x, 4x orb of electricity, 2x indirect mummy death curse, spatial distortion, potion of poison, bolt of lightning, bolt trap, miscasting Iron Shot, the demon whip "Spellbinder" 22:22:24 !lg * br=volcano ikiller= s=ckiller 22:22:26 411 games for * (br=volcano ikiller=): 348x cloud, 16x quitting, 15x lava, 10x barbs, 5x mon, 4x burning, 3x targetting, 3x wild magic, 2x something, pois, bounce, targeting, trap, starvation 22:22:29 spellbinder, very nice 22:22:37 oh I am missing a recent 22:22:37 !lg * br=volcano ckaux~~spellbinder 22:22:38 1. Horhen the Basher (L13 GrFi of Okawaru), killed by the demon whip "Spellbinder" in Volcano (volcano_grotto; vgs_trial_of_fire_spitters) on 2014-09-13 17:59:01, with 23231 points after 15276 turns and 1:02:15. 22:22:40 haha, sucks to be that guy 22:22:42 !lg * br=volcano recent ikiller= s=ckiller 22:22:44 132 games for * (br=volcano recent ikiller=): 109x cloud, 9x barbs, 6x lava, 3x mon, 3x quitting, wild magic, pois 22:23:01 !lg * br=volcano ckaux~~spellbinder -tv 22:23:02 wait. just by the whip...? 22:23:02 1. Horhen, XL13 GrFi, T:15276 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:23:12 PleasingFungus: observe 22:23:15 I will! 22:23:17 oh, haha 22:23:18 (I have a good idea of what will happen) 22:23:43 -!- vimpulse has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:01 oh god, he didn't rest 22:24:08 kaboom 22:24:11 <3 22:24:18 !gamesby horhen 22:24:18 !lg * vmsg~~Spellbinder 22:24:19 horhen has played 432 games, between 2014-03-01 09:03:52 and 2014-10-08 22:09:01, won 4 (0.9%), high score 14433174, total score 44315430, total turns 3523736, play-time/day 2:03:03, total time 18d+23:18:02. 22:24:21 3. Horhen the Basher (L13 GrFi of Okawaru), killed by the demon whip "Spellbinder" in Volcano (volcano_grotto; vgs_trial_of_fire_spitters) on 2014-09-13 17:59:01, with 23231 points after 15276 turns and 1:02:15. 22:24:23 !lg * vmsg~~Spellbinder 2 22:24:28 2/3. Zella the Ducker (L9 DDCK of Xom), slain by a gnoll (the +3,+6 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}) on D:7 on 2014-03-17 22:04:08, with 2845 points after 4409 turns and 0:30:18. 22:24:30 ! 22:24:31 ! 22:24:33 !lg * vmsg~~Spellbinder 1 22:24:37 I wonder if it was swapped 22:24:43 !lg * vmsg~~Spellbinder 2 -tv 22:24:44 since, xom 22:24:45 1/3. trelanon the Basher (L13 VSFi of Okawaru), killed by the demon whip "Spellbinder" on D:13 on 2014-02-18 13:12:31, with 25756 points after 13063 turns and 1:29:37. 22:24:45 maybe it was animated 22:24:49 2/3. Zella, XL9 DDCK, T:4409 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:24:50 !lg * vmsg~~Spellbinder 1 -tv 22:24:59 a hall full of animated unrands... hmmmmmmm 22:24:59 nicolae-: no, that one was wielded by a gnoll 22:25:02 good 22:25:02 1/3. trelanon, XL13 VSFi, T:13063 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:25:05 hi all :) Two sirens are competing. Each wants to draw me near to it, and away from the other. Very strange behavior. I guess I will have to find some ranged attack to use, though I dunno if I have one. 22:25:05 ah 22:25:18 vimpulse: try using fog, tele, lightning, noise 22:25:34 nicolae-: swap!!! 22:25:51 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:54 PleasingFungus: ah, I didn't think of using my ring of teleportation. Thank you. 22:26:00 np :) 22:26:07 PleasingFungus: what about swap 22:26:16 nicolae-: that Spellbinder death! 22:26:18 nicolae-: xom swapped his spellbinder with the gnoll's weapon 22:26:20 as I predicted 22:26:30 ahh, old strawberries 22:26:35 I would say I miss them 22:26:35 i see 22:26:35 rip. 22:26:42 owned. 22:26:44 !send PleasingFungus chokos 22:26:44 Sending chokos to PleasingFungus. 22:26:48 -!- theTower has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:26:49 * PleasingFungus chokes! 22:26:49 !send PleasingFungus snozzcumbers 22:26:50 Sending snozzcumbers to PleasingFungus. 22:27:01 !send Grunt a BFG 22:27:02 Sending a BFG to Grunt. 22:27:10 hm 22:27:17 what would Crawl's BFG be....... 22:27:30 imagine: "Crawl Nukem 3D: the first-person shooter." 22:27:33 orb of destrction but more so 22:27:36 (an IOOD but with side effects of some sort) 22:27:39 nicolae-: hi. 22:27:56 an OOD that spawns more OOD each turn 22:27:58 BFG (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 73-106 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | XP: 1424 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 22:27:58 %??stone giant att:friendly name:BFG 22:28:02 PleasingFungus: <3 22:28:13 possibly should have its glyph changed??? 22:28:16 but that might be too spooky.... 22:28:17 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:43 !send PleasingFungus spookiness 22:28:44 Sending spookiness to PleasingFungus. 22:29:40 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:50 orb of destruction (16*) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 1000 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 0 | Sp: mystic blast (3d11) | Sz: little | Int: plant. 22:29:50 %??orb of destruction spells:iskenderun's_mystic_blast.200.magical 22:29:53 oh 22:29:56 orb of destruction (16*) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 1000 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 0 | Sp: mystic blast (3d11) | Sz: little | Int: plant. 22:29:56 %??orb of destruction spells:iskenderun's_mystic_blast.200.magical.instant 22:29:58 good 22:30:16 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:31 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:30:44 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:31:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:31:36 hmm, reading about these notes on summon shock serpent make me wonder about a tomb/shard of destruction that summons "conjury" monsters 22:32:12 figurine of a spellforged servitor 22:32:35 <|amethyst> hm 22:32:39 summon shock serpent, really.. 22:32:43 I was thinking about tome of destruction 22:33:04 ToME is pretty destructive, yes. 22:33:04 -!- vimpulse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:07 * Grunt flees. 22:33:09 the thing is, right now, it's somewhere between "deck of destruction" and "xom effect". one of those is already an item, and the other probably doesn't need to be 22:33:29 ToD is crap i have never seen it used ever 22:33:35 ("Burn tomes of destruction.") 22:33:38 yes 22:33:42 <|amethyst> hm, is the wanderer randbook supposed to be in a skill you have? 22:33:59 I mean, you could buff it, but there's no good niche for it 22:34:10 what if reading it gave you a temporary spell, so for like the next ten turns you can cast Fire Storm or whatever regardless of spell slots and spell levels etc 22:34:52 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:32 (the notes were from trying shock serpent in monstrous menagerie when it was being made) 22:36:58 pleasingfungus: actually, wasn't deck of destruction diluted a whole bunch 22:37:00 dang 22:37:02 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:14 theTower: I would rather restore deck of destruction than try to make tome of destruction into it 22:37:19 heh 22:37:31 you don't want tome to be 22:37:32 !glasses 22:37:33 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:37:34 decked out 22:37:41 ??????????????????????????? 22:38:06 nicolae-: my instinct is negative. you probably wouldn't have the skills for the spell, so it would be casting some kind of low-power conjuration, which sounds like a shit way to spend your time 22:38:14 hmmmm 22:38:25 (also, it sounds like a technical nightmare to implement) 22:38:30 free vortexes! 22:38:40 (implementation? pfft. i'm an ideas guy.) 22:38:42 vortices 22:38:42 imo 22:38:47 well, fire storm specifically has a fair number of advantages even at low power 22:38:49 since clouds etc 22:38:50 free vorts 22:38:55 split the difference, vortixes 22:38:59 (vorticons?????????????) 22:39:03 free vertexes. 22:39:04 vortigaunts 22:39:10 ! 22:39:16 jortigaunts 22:39:27 fr gravity gun in crawl 22:39:28 jorgraunts? 22:40:29 Jrmungaunts 22:40:33 I'm fond of hangedman's idea of turning it into "evocable battlesphere for offensive wands" - but I think that probably any reasonable thing you could do with the tome is isomorphic to making a new evocable 22:41:05 basically I would be fine with removing it if that wasn't far more effort than it was worth (given it doesn't matter at all right now) 22:41:06 hooray, new evocable 22:43:15 turn everything into evocables 22:43:50 evoke a potion to explode it into themed gas, evoke a book to turn it into a themed servitor, 22:44:00 I still like the idea of some evocable that spawns (temporary) clones of enemies 22:44:09 PleasingFungus: phantom mirror 22:44:15 like a reverse rakshasa 22:44:16 ya 22:44:17 the namesake of the spell!!!!! 22:44:17 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:44:18 !!! 22:44:18 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:24 phantom's mirror, obviously 22:44:45 you can get away without the possessive, I think 22:45:05 and it would bring us back up to par on our dumb item name/spell name jokes (rip Lehudib's Crystal Spear) 22:45:10 ...except, who knows the names of monster spells? 22:45:46 <_miek> spectral warrior.. like spectral weapon but of you 22:45:58 <_miek> still share health 22:47:25 imo that is the single cool effect among the new nemelex cards 22:47:33 what 22:47:54 ??illusion card 22:47:54 illusion card[1/1]: Found in the deck of summonings. Prompts you to wield a weapon, and summons an illusion of you (like Mara's) that wields your weapon and has a limited spell list based on yours. 22:47:54 fr: a nem card that removes nemelex 22:47:54 !remove gammafunk 22:47:58 someday I will fix nem 22:48:10 I think my proposal will probably be backward-looking 22:48:21 backward-looking? 22:48:38 moving nemelex partially back towards an earlier state 22:48:52 well not fixing nem then 22:48:54 imo "all of nemelex's effects are already in the game" was a bad reason to remove all the good ones; they're distinct by virtue of the way in which they're invoked (that is, somewhat randomly, somewhat controlled - the heart of the cards...) 22:49:05 -!- theTower has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:49:08 gammafunk: is there any fix that you would accept that is not 'removal' 22:49:10 be frank 22:49:14 -!- theTower_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:19 I've played a nem games PleasingFungus, probably more than you 22:49:21 ugh, my connection tonight 22:49:59 the use of nem cards feels basically game breaking and is fun in that way, but they don't feel very distinct in how you use them 22:50:14 I strongly disagree 22:50:23 -!- theTower_ is now known as theTower 22:50:45 I've never played any character that felt the same as my nemelex characters - in terms of using the deck of destruction & of summoning, not the wonder stuff 22:50:46 I think the way that they were used before is essentially very controled 22:51:19 I forgot, there's also the resource limitation aspect of their use 22:51:19 well "if feels different" is certainly subjective but also no real justification for a feature imo 22:51:34 the resource aspect of nem is one of the worse parts 22:51:38 I am strongly tempted to argue "it is the only justification of the feature" 22:51:41 *of a feature 22:52:03 <_miek> nemelex should be like dominion 22:52:05 the entire point of a game like crawl is to give people distinct play experiences...... 22:52:11 _miek: did you see lasty's proposal? 22:52:15 <_miek> nope? 22:52:15 I could make lots of bad features that feel different, and I wouldn't want to add them 22:52:54 they do need to be distinct, but they need to involve meaningful strategy and not be tedious 22:53:09 the part I think was worthwhile about nemelex is that you used to give up regular items for a different set of items 22:53:22 I'd disagree there, theTower 22:53:36 you didnt give up anything before.. just sac junk 22:53:37 nemelex rarely presented you with interesting choices via the sacrifice mechanic 22:53:39 ^ 22:53:40 yeah, that was mostly just give nem your useless stuff, although in principle it could work that way 22:53:51 there's tons of junk in the dungeon so.. 22:54:04 and if you had to sac actual good items 22:54:08 well why even take nem 22:54:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:54:18 it feels different tabstorm! 22:54:22 unless its for the sake of "play experience" 22:54:25 well, ideally he wouldn't care about the overly-common stuff like equipments 22:54:31 but we have xom existing for that reason i guess 22:54:34 tabstorm: why take ru 22:54:39 or chei 22:54:42 or tso or zin 22:54:43 ru dosent take items away 22:54:46 or any god with conducts 22:54:53 directly 22:54:56 tabstorm: he takes away every two-handed weapon in the game! 22:54:58 well, if you sacrifice evocations, 22:55:02 dont have to sac that hand 22:55:11 or is that basically a required one? 22:55:17 i dont intend to use ru ever 22:55:18 it's not required but it is a huge one 22:55:20 ha 22:55:20 ok 22:55:22 no not required 22:55:22 also he takes away some books 22:55:39 it seems too involved for my tastes (ru) 22:55:56 also tso's rpoblem is that the opportunity cost of no blowgun is worse than anything he gives you earl yon 22:56:14 yeah also no Ru fan, but ultimately the people who like bad things like nemelex that care enough about it will turn it into something that such people have fun with it 22:56:14 I wouldn't mind a nemelex that made you sacrifice interesting things, but I don't think that nemelex's conduct is the interesting problem to solve 22:56:30 well ok before you just spammed a lot of decks 22:56:41 a null conduct like "piety from exploration" is Good Enough 22:56:46 now you have less decks so you have to manipulate them a lot 22:56:55 or just spray and pray like before but less often 22:56:57 yeah optimal nem usage was not what I'd call an interesting thing 22:57:11 amusing sometimes, sure 22:57:36 basically anything that involves manipulating decks in some way could be annoying after awhile 22:57:42 unless you jsut make it spray'n'pray 22:58:06 because youll fiddle with your deck a lot otherwise 22:58:37 im too lazy to fiddle with decks personally 22:58:41 it seems like the point of nemelex is fiddling with decks 22:58:46 so i just went the spray and pray route on my nerfelex game 22:58:48 reminds me, I need to add altar detection to mapstats 22:58:53 it was sort of mediocre 22:59:09 nerflex seems really bad 22:59:14 I really don't care about nerflex at all 22:59:19 hrm, tbh it's much easier to do it in objstat 22:59:21 like, I plan to steal the illusion card 22:59:25 but that's about it 22:59:27 illusion is good 22:59:31 ya it's cool 22:59:36 <_miek> I should probably look up Lasty's Nemelex idea.. but something that quickly popped into my head: http://pastebin.com/juLwtn0G 22:59:36 -!- Zannick has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:51 hmm, while I can't find out Forceful Dismissal purposes from my logs, there's something else that comes to mind 23:00:08 gammafunk: on DBRO, tasonir's name is blue in the lobby but green in game chat 23:00:11 is this expected? 23:00:16 deng 23:00:23 def. not expected 23:00:25 is he on now? 23:00:29 ??dbro 23:00:30 dbro[1/3]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys). Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 (!) and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 23:00:33 _miek: http://sourceforge.net/p/crawl-ref/mailman/crawl-ref-discuss/thread/e56e16d8785939561c5660ff519edba1.squirrel%40buchananhowland.net/#msg32890710 23:00:35 ??dbro[2 23:00:35 dbro[2/3]: Combined gamelog (from all DF games on the server) currently being announced in ##crawl-df 23:00:38 ??dbro[3 23:00:38 dbro[3/3]: Also available in webtiles form at http://dev.berotato.org:8081 23:01:11 yes 23:01:13 he's on 23:01:25 oh, I think... 23:02:03 could you do something like just have one deck and just shift from decks to a "hand" that you can keep like 5 cards in 23:02:13 "deal four is much worse when summoning and conjurations are in the same deck" 23:02:21 <_miek> Thanks pleasingfungus 23:02:37 and some different abilities maybe 23:03:03 _miek: np 23:03:33 johnstein: ah, found a typo in edlothiol's last commit 23:03:38 johnstein: thanks for reporting 23:03:44 <_miek> is it vain of me to say I like my idea better than his? :P 23:03:56 johnstein: tell tasoning he's not really a greatplayer!!! 23:04:03 *tasonir 23:04:33 woo I found a bug 23:04:45 I shall credit the stein appropriately 23:04:49 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:51 "metamorphosis is bad simply due to unarmed focus" 23:06:03 I think I will compile a more concrete list, but previous discussion did highlight that even if all the card effects weren't terrible nemelex would still have problems 23:10:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:10:51 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:13:43 hrm, do we have opinion/policy on checkwhite/unbrace on outside libraries? (util/r.js in this case) 23:13:55 maybe I'll skip that file and ask edlothiol 23:17:35 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:18:17 probably doesn't make much sense to be enforcing style guides on outside libraries 23:19:37 you monsters 23:19:45 don't you dare remove spell_melee 23:20:09 Grunt: apparently one side-effect from your changes is that lom heals a lot now :) 23:21:02 yeah there should be some way to exclude them that isn't hackish 23:21:09 since this is a util script 23:22:32 You reflect Cerebov with the mirror, and the mirror shatters! 23:22:51 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:23:37 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:13 oh 23:24:14 also 23:24:20 someone should really fix that zig crash bug 23:24:22 I feel bad for manman 23:24:35 if someone pointed me at the megazig population code, I could take a look? 23:25:37 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:26:39 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:28:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1734-ga8edbca: Unbrace. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8edbca91bf3 23:28:41 03roctavian02 07* 0.16-a0-1735-gb2193eb: New rapier tiles. 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2193eb682d9 23:28:45 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:10 roctavian: <3 23:29:17 they're growing...! 23:29:33 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:29:40 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 23:29:45 roctavian: suggestion: move at least the randart cutlass to rltiles/UNUSED? 23:30:13 do you still want a pointer 23:31:07 sure 23:31:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua#l348 downward 23:31:45 local hd_pool = math.floor(10 + completed * completed + (depth * (depth + 8 * completed )) * math.max(1, completed * 0.75)) wow the things I do 23:32:01 function takes an x,y 23:32:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:19 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:32:41 I guess I can set completed to some large number, for testing 23:33:27 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:33:51 Basically, loot grows linearly with depth finished zigs 23:33:58 is the missing word there "and"? 23:34:04 oh if you're touching zigs 23:34:10 can you add more !restorab to loot 23:34:26 imo you do it!!! 23:34:29 not a ton or anything, but stat drain is... 23:34:32 I am already doing two things at once 23:34:36 but....bu...but.. 23:34:47 yes, I forgot "and" 23:35:15 I'll have you know I'm editing css right now 23:35:20 backbreakig effort 23:35:27 *backbreaking 23:35:47 !source dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua:449 23:35:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua;hb=HEAD#l449 23:35:54 this is all of the potions that it spawns 23:37:22 -!- Artelis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37:48 ok, I'll figure out where to add it 23:37:57 I will be charging overtime for this, however 23:38:23 rip 23:38:27 ... 23:38:33 nice porridge 23:38:40 ya 23:38:43 it's important!!! 23:38:46 what if you starved in a zig? 23:38:57 !lg * zig ktyp~~starv 23:38:57 the most humiliating death possible 23:39:00 1. slickrick the Swordmaster (L27 MDFi of The Shining One), starved to death on Zig:27 on 2008-12-26 19:02:34, with 753876 points after 146667 turns and 20:02:32. 23:39:05 yesssss 23:39:13 real slick, rick 23:39:35 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 23:40:09 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:59 no porridge 23:41:05 it's all rick wanted, that's it 23:41:13 just one...damn...porridge 23:41:56 I remember 23:41:56 tso unreasons 23:42:37 wait no the ddbe just wanted royal jelly acquirement and the seee was in tomb not zigs 23:43:28 %git iron-rod 23:43:29 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1734-ga0ca867: Replace the rod of striking with the iron rod. 10(9 days ago, 22 files, 173+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0ca8673f5ce 23:43:57 gammafunk: hi? 23:44:00 03roctavian02 07* 0.16-a0-1736-g85fff25: Move old cutlass tiles to UNUSED. 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85fff257c213 23:44:01 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.15-a0-2351-gbb2f696: Remove whitespace and add braces 10(29 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb2f696d7c65 23:44:01 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.15-a0-2352-gd788bdb: Properly colour good/greatplayers in WebTiles lobby (johnstein) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d788bdbb060b 23:44:04 "quite powerful", grunt you cad 23:44:04 wait 23:44:24 so are you going to make the shotgun equivalent replace the rod of striking or bolt of magma 23:44:58 dang, eleven 23:44:58 actually, it's going to replace both of those, and also iron shot, and ALSO crystal spear. 23:45:05 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-1737-ge6e8618: Restore summon poofs. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6e861823a18 23:45:05 New branch created: phantom-mirror (1 commit) 23:45:05 03Grunt02 07[phantom-mirror] * 0.16-a0-1738-g7f4ae25: Evokable: the phantom mirror. 10(2 minutes ago, 9 files, 111+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f4ae2591f1b 23:45:08 both, simultaneously 23:45:08 dang it 23:45:08 theTower: o/ 23:45:16 Grunt: !!!!!! 23:45:17 you are 23:45:20 a hasted patch executioner 23:45:27 I told you 23:45:31 once you summon him 23:45:34 he always hastes 23:45:34 patch Executioner (151) | Spd: 30 | HD: 12 | HP: 48-78 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2203 | Sp: pain (d14), haste | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:45:34 %??executioner name:patch n_adj perm_ench:haste 23:45:53 hm. mr checking 23:45:57 mpr("You can't use the mirror on yourself."); 23:46:09 1learn add realism 23:46:22 I was thinking it'd be an xp evocable without mr restrictions 23:46:27 Better whatever for this implementation suggested, of course...... 23:46:39 s/suggested/welcome/ 23:46:45 It should be usable on yourself while still needing to penetrate MR 23:46:46 I was *also* thinking it'd be untargeted and affect (some subset of?) visible monsters, but the targeted version is cooler 23:46:59 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:59 ??blade card 23:47:00 blade card[1/1]: Prompts you to wield a weapon. Power 0: temporary flaming, freezing, venom, draining or vorpal brand; Power 1: temporary distortion, pain, antimagic, chaos or elec brand; Power 2: Tukima's dance. 23:47:17 how many bad cards does nem have 23:47:20 that hurt you on draw 23:47:25 all of them 23:47:26 Grunt: if we add that can we remove phantom monsters, because those are a pain for me 23:47:30 or is it just if you have bad power 23:47:34 Grunt: good gammafunk voice 23:47:36 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:47:43 gammafunk: they're cool and good, actually 23:47:52 no they are, they're just a pain for me 23:47:54 I like phantoms. They're one of the more memorable early enemies. 23:47:55 im writing something that replaces the whole deck thing to just a "hand" that only appears on the invoke menu 23:48:05 oh wait 23:48:08 so no droppin stuff 23:48:12 do you mean phantoms or rakshasas 23:48:21 no I mean early game phantoms 23:48:25 they blink erry teim!!! 23:48:27 erry teim 23:48:33 * Grunt blinks! x27 23:48:34 and meanwhile I'm writing on how a bunch of cards suck :P 23:48:44 so like 23:48:51 together they are: tabTower 23:48:54 having players randomly draw into bad cards is a goal right 23:48:56 ! 23:48:57 aaaaauuuugghhhh 23:49:05 of this god 23:49:09 you mean 23:49:12 Aaaarggghhhhh! 23:49:30 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:37 I think nerfedlex is overloaded on double-edgedness as is 23:49:41 ok 23:49:48 im not sure how double edged you want it to be 23:49:50 as... I'm writing up on 23:50:58 well, I think it's much more interesting for a card to variate in usefulness than, say, dealing four and getting surrounding death yaks you then make hostile by tormenting and then get a wrath card for master archers even though you have barely touched the deck 23:51:26 Grunt: http://sprunge.us/CbSL Lua error: ./dat/des/portals/ziggurat.des:8: ./dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua:415: ')' expected near '!' 23:51:29 help 23:51:44 PleasingFungus: ~=, not != 23:51:46 oh 23:51:48 rip 23:51:51 also 23:51:54 can I just compare the points directly? 23:52:03 uh 23:52:04 idk 23:52:05 haha 23:52:11 I will test that after confirming it works the other way 23:52:17 PleasingFungus: ~= 23:52:20 not != 23:52:21 + local completed = 10 23:52:26 gammafunk: ~=, not != 23:52:34 dang you 23:52:35 PleasingFungus: ~= 23:52:37 not != 23:52:56 1learn add PleasingFungus PleasingFungus: 23:53:01 tabstorm: !=... a forget it 23:53:11 ? 23:53:31 sorry, PleasingFungus is just rolling out those BIA changes 23:53:37 man, this was a really easy fix 23:53:41 I feel bad for putting it off so long 23:53:49 !send PleasingFungus bugs 23:53:49 Sending bugs to PleasingFungus. 23:53:53 wait there are 4 different decks nem draws from right 23:54:01 there are so many decks 23:54:04 oh yeah the + local completed = 10, haha 23:54:05 too many decks 23:54:06 we're pretty 23:54:08 decked out 23:54:11 yee 23:54:27 it's because PleasingFungus always completes 10 zigs 23:54:31 so anything involving playing a particular card would be too much "interface" 23:54:32 right 23:54:33 why bother counting 23:54:38 gammafunk: I was VERY CAREFUL to remove that 23:54:40 before pushing 23:54:46 I had a mental image while I was writing that debug code 23:54:49 man, what if you had! 23:54:52 would have been great 23:54:53 if only 23:54:55 as in dig for a given card and play it 23:55:08 "I'll just tip into this zig here..." 23:55:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1738-g5881244: Don't place monsters on top of the player (9019) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5881244e913e 23:55:39 surely they're _under_ the player 23:55:47 feh 23:56:02 I was really worried I was going to have to do some real witchcraft to find the player's location 23:56:06 but the entry loc was *already* floating around 23:56:19 just a matter of passing it through... 23:56:32 player's location...oh is that not in dlua at all? 23:57:06 I guess maybe since it's used before player is initialized 23:58:14 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:42 gammafunk: I strongly suspect that it would give either something null OR the player's location on the last level 23:59:44 oh, checkwhite doesn't look at the settings files 23:59:51 hm. canonically, is LIGHTRED a more ominous colour than RED, or vice versa? 23:59:53 yeah it's probably...hrm