00:02:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1065-gc31d63b: Spellify octopode crusher throwing 10(2 minutes ago, 6 files, 248+ 201-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c31d63b6339a 00:02:40 more refactoring incoming 00:03:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1340-g52d2f03 (34) 00:03:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:07:31 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1066-gaca30ba: Refactor _throw_site_score() 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 17+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aca30ba679a0 00:07:34 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:07:38 and more yet 00:14:55 -!- tabstorm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:42 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1067-g2fd9f1f: Adjust signatures, constify 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 37+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fd9f1fed4a9 00:18:34 sounds like this is 00:18:37 !glasses 00:18:37 Grunt collapsed into a black hole today. Authorities cite the accretion disk of billions and billions of pairs of sunglasses as a contributing factor. 00:18:37 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 00:18:41 constant trouble 00:18:42 not sure I really care for const monster * const mons 00:18:47 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1340-g52d2f03 (34) 00:18:50 but how good are octopus tentacles at writing signatures anyway 00:19:06 gammafunk: I think I replaced that one 00:19:22 oh nvm 00:19:26 ok. why don't you like it? 00:20:23 I guess it's just a bit overdoing it, it feels like you only need one const there to make whatever its pointing to immutable 00:20:33 but maybe |amethyst also likes that 00:20:36 oh, sure. this is just the same as saying "const int foo". 00:20:48 you aren't going to change the value of '1' regardless. 00:21:00 but you're making a statement: "this variable is only ever going to hold one value". 00:21:06 (it's only ever going to point to one monster.) 00:21:12 yeah I know what it's doing 00:21:23 it just feels unecessary 00:21:25 -!- FatShack is now known as FtShkAway 00:21:47 imho, the more constraints you move from your brain to your code, the harder it is to break those constraints by accident. 00:21:52 const is wonderful. 00:22:06 form objects are const like four layers deep. 00:22:07 well I wasn't claiming it isn't 00:22:21 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:22:39 but like making all of your int unsigned etc it can kind of get in the way of reading what the dang var is; just a personal preference thing 00:23:15 well, unsigned has its own dangers 00:23:19 well, const monster * const mons means something different from either "monster * const mons" or "const monster * mons" 00:23:30 doy: he knows, he just thinks its too verbose 00:23:33 I think? 00:24:04 yes 00:24:26 well, the answer isn't really to write something incorrect is all i'm saying 00:24:28 (: 00:24:41 huh? 00:25:35 int foo is not incorrect compared to const int foo, to use PF's example 00:26:17 sure, but it can be for instances of classes, depending on how it's used 00:26:23 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 00:26:27 might not be in that case, but shrug 00:26:32 right 00:26:40 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:26:56 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27:16 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 00:27:53 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:56 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:59 -!- HonestMoneyLende has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:28:52 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1068-g7e9dcc8: Pull _choose_tentacle_toss_site into a separate func 10(56 seconds ago, 1 file, 44+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e9dcc8997c6 00:30:03 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:30:28 oh, that comment is wrong 00:30:38 oh nvm it's not 00:30:46 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:43 oh god you and comment expansion 00:35:06 comment expansion? 00:35:44 every. dang. line. 00:36:28 ???? 00:37:41 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:38:20 man, I actually wrote this stuff at some point? 00:38:50 haha 00:39:22 oh I'm griping at the addition of 00:39:23 + if (!victim || !victim->alive()) 00:39:25 er 00:39:33 Only throw real, living victims. 00:39:36 with that comment but then 00:39:58 it's literate coding. 00:40:02 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:06 for some reason no if condition expansion and commenting on the relatively more complicated 00:40:14 stuff at the top of do_throw 00:40:30 tbh I prefer your comment there 00:40:30 I'm very lazy. 00:40:39 I wonder what |amethyst thinks about comments 00:40:49 I think he's less comment happy, but I could be wrong 00:41:09 I bet Grunt just comments with newlines 00:41:20 vaguely considering merging consider_tentacle_throwing with _do_throw... eh. 00:41:53 you haven't by any chance testing op c throwing with this have you? 00:42:10 guess I should build the branch 00:42:30 yes 00:42:34 I've been testing with every commit 00:42:38 right on 00:42:45 and done. 00:42:51 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1069-gf1d5bff: Finish splitting up do_throw() 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 54+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1d5bff7b2bc 00:43:08 look at these beautiful, commented functions. 00:43:20 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 00:43:34 so small. so contained. so comprehensible. 00:43:43 imagine a beam.cc full of functions like this. 00:44:11 so many damn pieces 00:44:21 comprehensibility is overrated 00:44:26 ahem. 00:44:37 look at _tentacle_toss(). look how simple it is. isn't it wonderful? 00:45:05 I wonder what it'd be like to re-write the substs for wizlab_golubria, pleasingfungus style 00:45:21 A hundred lines, each of them a flawless, magical gem. 00:45:53 no no no some are stone and some are rock 00:46:08 Gems are rocks with shininess inside. 00:46:09 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46:15 *is rocks 00:46:29 so _that's_ what makes fire bounce off it 00:47:14 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1340-g52d2f03 00:47:18 should rename contam to shiny 00:47:49 well I don't know, feels like a bunch of new functions with only one caller 00:47:51 I'm feeling shiny, captain. 00:47:57 Maybe too shiny. 00:48:04 some could just live as code blocks and be happy 00:48:12 that does explain irradiate 00:48:51 tbh I'm not sure what the Purest Reasoning on function creation is anyhow 00:48:57 gammafunk: My primary goal here is encapsulation and readibility. 00:48:59 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 00:49:04 readability* 00:49:21 well code blocks are perfectly readable, and encapsulation with one calling function ever 00:49:46 struggling to figure out a joke about typos and readability 00:49:56 I mean what you have to read now: defintions of all these parameters etc 00:50:16 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:50:17 but I'm sure there's a range of views on this kind of thing 00:50:32 any time a block is used twice, definitely a function of course 00:50:54 Each of these functions does exactly one, well-defined thing, with a very limited set of inputs and one output. Writing them as functions makes that clear. 00:50:57 What do you mean by code blocks? 00:51:21 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 00:51:22 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:51:27 well those functions that do only one thing: they're only every called by one thing in this case; they could live as code blocks within the caller 00:51:45 No, I mean. 00:51:56 What is a code block. A piece of code contained within { } ? 00:52:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:52:24 the body of those small functions you made, moved back into the caller of the function 00:52:53 That doesn't seem like it would provide much encapsulation. 00:52:55 Or any, really. 00:53:07 yeah no encapsulation is needed, is what I'm saying 00:53:14 uh 00:53:24 what do you think the purpose of encapsulation is...? 00:53:33 all those parameter definitions, doxygen comments, all additional stuff you have to write for what was doing fine as a code block 00:53:48 it wasn't doing fine, though. it was a minefield. 00:53:52 I think encapsulation is very relevent when said code is being used in multiple context 00:53:55 s 00:54:09 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:54:27 and I'm not saying all splits you made were bad 00:54:56 Encapsulation is always important. The goal is to make the logic so straightforward, so braindead - so few moving parts - that it's as nearly impossible to fuck up as possible. 00:55:50 Look at the current _tentacle_toss(). It's... it could stand to have an assert on chosen_dest() (or _tentacle_toss_to() could?), but aside from that, I think the logic is incredibly clear and simple. 00:56:11 And each of the functions that it calls are likewise simple. Their inputs are defined, their output is defined, they perform their task in a limited space. 00:56:26 it's just a general concept and a label; I'm simply saying I wouldn't find it sufficiently productive to refactor all of my code this way 00:56:40 but again there are a range of views here I'm sure 00:58:17 Idk. I find all the comments and parameters to be a plus, not a minus. 00:58:54 Looking at the old _do_throw() - what, exactly, were the inputs to its different code blocks? There were quite a few local variables floating around. Which were relevant? 00:58:55 Who knows? 00:59:25 yeah, limiting the scope of chunks of code is very helpful for being able to read it 01:00:05 especially compared to the way we tend to have functions that just start with like 20 variable declarations, and things like that 01:00:22 that's classic c!!! 01:00:31 do_throw def. could stand to be split up, but I wouldn't have done it to that degree; the choice isn't just 1 function or 6 01:00:32 remember, the cost of allocating a new stack frame is VERY significant 01:00:51 but it doesn't really matter, as long as the code works, that's what I really care about 01:00:56 :) 01:01:03 I think we can agree to disagree on this one. 01:01:06 also, you're smelly. 01:01:30 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:01:37 hm. I wonder if it would be rude to implement my ez-monster-spell-description ui on mon-spell-slots before it's merged. 01:01:56 might make the rebase trickier. 01:02:33 heh, I like how snorg (one of the original motiviations for this branch) is *still* in mon-abil... 01:03:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1070-g3377cb0: Assert. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3377cb00ada0 01:03:30 gonna catch some razzin' from the reddit crowd for that one!! 01:05:17 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:11 TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects 01:08:17 oh I'll show you 01:08:19 what I can concatenate 01:08:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 01:09:27 PleasingFungus: SPELL_SNORG_BERSERK imo 01:09:45 <_< 01:10:47 !send Grunt SPELL_KENNYSHEEP 01:10:47 Sending SPELL_KENNYSHEEP to Grunt. 01:12:29 Grunt: it *seems* like you'd be able to use berserker rage with some fancy mon-spll flags...? 01:12:49 not necessarily all that fancy 01:13:48 the weird thing about the chance of berserking makes it trickier, tho. 01:15:00 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:15:52 wretched stars and turtles both seem like good candidates for spellification, though idk - turtles don't currently have a no-confusion constraint on withdrawing. and I think spells implicitly have those? 01:16:14 probably not the worst thing for "turtles withdrawing into their shells" to not be a spell, I guess. 01:17:15 oh, hahahahah 01:17:31 good one using the filename as a file handle, gammafunk 01:17:41 duck typing............ 01:18:01 ascii duck: & 01:19:37 do ascii ducks know tornado 01:19:51 ___(.)> 01:19:53 \____/ 01:21:24 shouldve surrounded it with cloud glyphs 01:21:35 it is better, in the realm of the imagination. 01:21:41 a good duck. 01:21:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 36.0a1/20141016030201]] 01:21:45 i guess a better one would be 01:21:49 ___(')> 01:21:50 \___/ 01:21:52 "you made him leave again" 01:22:11 cant take the duck 01:22:12 duck 2 is superior 01:22:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:51 v. nice 01:28:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:57 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:36:17 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:40:52 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 01:50:29 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:51:14 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:52:23 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53:06 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53:06 -!- slitherrrr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:56:39 duck nukem 02:00:49 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:59 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 02:09:23 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 02:13:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:21 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:14:27 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:18:20 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1340-g52d2f03 (34) 02:18:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:18:49 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 02:19:25 -!- Artelis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:38 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 02:23:36 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:24:48 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:26:54 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:32:12 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:24 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:30 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:35:26 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:49:36 -!- HonestMoneyLende has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50:45 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: grillatactics] 02:53:24 -!- Stygian has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:49 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02:05 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:04:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:07 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:22:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:46:46 -!- SkaryMonx has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Use !messages to read it. 07:40:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42:16 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:43:10 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:20 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:09 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:59:32 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:08 melee_attack.cc:2956:16: warning: unused variable 'chaos_attack' 08:00:08 melee_attack.cc:2084:13: warning: unused function '_move_stairs' 08:00:34 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus hm.. did the save come from your branch or master? I didn't see any changes to the unmarshalling or marshalling code, but somehow it's trying to unpack a large vector (65480 entries) in the item props 08:00:35 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:00:52 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus but there appear not to actually be so many entries 08:00:53 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:01:39 03|amethyst02 07[dechunkier] * 0.16-a0-1344-gabdbf9f: Avoid a type mismatch warning. 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abdbf9fe80ca 08:01:39 03|amethyst02 07[dechunkier] * 0.16-a0-1345-g29b1a0e: Add a missing include. 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29b1a0e1d60b 08:02:02 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus pushed a few warning-avoidances, but nothing that would affect the unmarshall thing 08:02:03 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:02:25 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus my guess is something in the vector manipulation is wrong, but I don't see what ATM 08:02:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:05:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1341-gdf99c73: Remove some now-unused code (geekosaur) 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df99c7395dc7 08:05:47 Is there a reason why the Young Poisoner's Handbook has Olgreb's (level 4) before Mephitic Cloud (level 3)? 08:06:13 <|amethyst> dpeg: it's sorted by can-memorize (free slots) then failure rate 08:06:26 <|amethyst> dpeg: you have more Poison than Conj and Air 08:06:46 <|amethyst> dpeg: if you're talking about the M screen 08:07:14 <|amethyst> i should show them in book order 08:07:55 |amethyst: ok, thanks! 08:08:40 <|amethyst> hm 08:08:49 <|amethyst> how do you memorise from the 'r' or 'i' screen? 08:08:58 <|amethyst> It says "Select a spell to read its description, to memorise it or to forget it." 08:09:06 <|amethyst> aha 08:09:09 <|amethyst> it's m 08:09:42 <|amethyst> I was looking at a spell I already knew so didn't get the (M)emorise prompt 08:14:04 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:15:37 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:00 More misleading cantrips 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9055 by neil 08:24:53 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:25:02 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:25:51 "You resist" was actually a cantrip? 08:25:56 isn't it just orc priests casting pain 08:26:08 a LOT of people don't realize they also cast pain and think smite is resistible 08:28:49 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 08:30:06 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 08:32:53 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:34:20 -!- FtShkAway is now known as FatShack 08:35:35 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:35:37 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:40:37 <|amethyst> %git 361d79f 08:40:37 07haranp02 * 0.5-a0-2877-g361d79f: Fix [2686013]: remove confusing "You resist." message from monster Cantrip spell effect. 10(6 years ago, 1 file, 26+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=361d79f1078a 08:43:17 huh 08:45:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:45 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:48:43 zombie cantrip message 08:51:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:46 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:55:48 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:56:32 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:51 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:55 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:15:03 !rc gammafunk 09:15:04 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 09:15:45 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:16:29 -!- Dustman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:19:00 -!- lurker_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:21:03 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 09:24:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:40 -!- debo has quit [Client Quit] 09:24:52 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:58 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:27:20 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:27:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30:26 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30:45 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:36:12 were the spawns in v5 and z5 made significantly harder in the time between 0.5 and 0.15? 09:37:12 i don't think z5 has been changed much? 09:37:20 i could be wrong about that, but can't really think of anything 09:37:56 Maybe bad luck, seems like I've seen more orbs of fire 09:38:02 but v5 is definitely tougher, right? 09:38:04 than old v8 09:38:28 yeah, you can't stair dance for one thing 09:38:37 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38:52 right, but the spawns seem more difficult aside from convoker/wardens 09:38:55 and sentinels 09:39:03 you can stair dance a couple times with the guards 09:39:05 before the warden comes 09:39:08 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:59 convoker and sentinel have a pretty big impact in v:5 i think 09:40:07 make it a lot easier for you to get swarmed 09:40:46 it used to be reasonably easy to pick enemies off a few at a time if you were careful 09:42:54 well the recommended strat is magic map/controlled teleport if u have it 09:42:56 but yeah you're right 09:44:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:14 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:47:01 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 09:48:46 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 09:50:39 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 09:51:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:41 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 09:53:43 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:54:03 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:55:12 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 09:55:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:00 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 10:03:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:46 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:08:35 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:06 -!- FatShack is now known as FtShkAway 10:10:14 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:45 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:18:39 -!- FtShkAway is now known as FatShack 10:19:06 -!- orionstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:22:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:22:44 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:27:27 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:29:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:25 |amethyst: this is a bug in my branch. The large vector is suspicious, though 10:31:26 PleasingFungus: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:31:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:32:12 blood ends up doing a lot of pushing and popping... 10:32:48 re discussion of "you resist", I would be perfectly happy if it was replaced everywhere with "you resist [the effect]", as appropriate 10:32:56 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:48 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:18 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:21 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51:39 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: bbl] 10:56:14 !seen Grunt 10:56:14 I last saw Grunt at Fri Oct 17 06:09:44 2014 UTC (9h 46m 30s ago) saying '<_<' on ##crawl-dev. 10:57:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:59:48 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:41 -!- orionstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:03:12 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:07:26 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:09:49 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:28 -!- fufumann is now known as frd 11:13:23 HilariousDeathArtist: is there a lua function for item.is_useless 11:14:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14:41 -!- HonestMoneyLende has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17:49 -!- frd is now known as fre 11:17:55 -!- fre is now known as fr3 11:21:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:22:48 http://imgur.com/a/GkxlE 11:23:04 -!- slitherrr has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:07 the shit is a blue name 11:24:28 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:25:48 I need to make this update script not terrible before I push this 11:29:15 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 11:30:45 -!- Amnekian has quit [Quit: Saindo] 11:31:21 dang, colorful 11:32:32 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:52 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32:53 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:02 w.b. Sequell 11:39:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:49 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: grillatactics] 11:42:00 -!- xnavy__ is now known as xnavy 11:45:03 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:45:17 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47:55 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:03 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:50:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:51 -!- Bollocks is now known as Bollocksor 11:55:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:00:40 -!- Bollocksor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:05:51 rrrrrainbows 12:05:57 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:08:15 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:08:45 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:15 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:09 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:18 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:01 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1341-gdf99c73 (34) 12:11:49 -!- FatShack is now known as FtShkAway 12:11:51 !greaterplayer potatolizard 12:11:56 potatolizard is a greaterplayer! 12:12:05 !centuryplayer 12:12:12 I guess that one is manually curated? 12:13:31 as far as I know yes 12:13:54 I should totally make a sweet color for coolplayers 12:13:57 !nick coolplayers 12:13:58 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris gammafunk 12:14:20 how about 12:14:21 shit brown 12:14:38 how about I finally update those irc ignore settings 12:14:42 like I've been meaning to 12:26:36 -!- FtShkAway is now known as FatShack 12:26:57 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27:09 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:39:18 uh 12:39:26 why does casting apportation print this 12:39:28 Ye cannae see any susceptible monsters within range! (Use Z ta cast anyway.) 12:39:37 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39:51 oh never mind, already reported 12:48:56 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:50:01 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:06 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:15 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:55:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:06 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:48 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:07:23 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:09:13 <|amethyst> %git ec40e5ec 13:09:13 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1265-gec40e5e: Make LOS-effect spells abort if there are no hostiles in view. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec40e5ec1d95 13:09:18 <|amethyst> that's why 13:09:47 <|amethyst> well, possibly 13:09:50 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:50 <|amethyst> %git 6c63de0 13:09:50 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1298-g6c63de0: Allow z-casting area spells again (#9050). 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c63de089233 13:10:34 classic wheals 13:11:07 -!- Mazed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:40 <|amethyst> !tell wheals ec40e5e or maybe the followup broke apportation, conjure flames, and a few others, see #9054. Marking those spells as utility (the last bool in the spell entry) would fix that but that might affect monster AI 13:11:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 13:13:22 <|amethyst> !tell wheals there's a lot of stuff in that big switch for pcloud etc that I think is also being skipped because of the else added in 6c63de08 13:13:23 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 13:13:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:13:48 <|amethyst> !tell wheals what if you move your new stuff to after the switch? 13:13:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 13:20:12 would it be appropriate to append this bug report by a feature request: apportation should recall the last target and use that as the autotarget for subsequent apportations 13:20:46 <|amethyst> no, that should be a separate bug report 13:21:08 <|amethyst> I saw someone else mention that not long ago, but I don't see it on mantis so it must have been in tavern or on reddit 13:21:28 <|amethyst> h 13:21:31 <|amethyst> oh 13:21:41 <|amethyst> there was an old old bug report about that 13:21:54 <|amethyst> which mumra closed and moved to dev wiki because it was a FR 13:21:58 <|amethyst> you could reopen it 13:22:00 <|amethyst> %bug 2501 13:22:00 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2501 13:22:13 <|amethyst> change category to implementable :) 13:23:10 dpeg: another thing that comes up a lot "mass apportation"; I think the idea has been entertained and shot down a few times, but it is annoying to spam ` 13:23:38 <|amethyst> didn't someone propose a Black Hole spell on GDD? :) 13:23:42 haha 13:23:55 <|amethyst> You cast Black Hole. 13:23:56 |amethyst: but that spell should destroy the items! 13:23:57 <|amethyst> You suck. 13:24:06 the best apportation FR is making its default target respect autopickup 13:24:19 aim at the rune, not the pile of stones 13:24:22 yeah also a good idea 13:24:40 gammafunk: I don't really like mass apportation but what I said would make repeated apports very convenient already. 13:24:50 true, that! 13:25:06 dpeg: yeah mass apportation would be really nice in some ways but is also just problematic 13:25:30 <|amethyst> it wouldn't be so bad if it still required LOE 13:25:57 ok, so good interface would be: 1. If a previous target is stored (i.e. last apportation's item is in sight), then use that. 2. Else use nearest item in autopickup. 3. Else use nearest item. 13:26:21 LOE? 13:26:22 in sight but not under you, anyway 13:26:38 <|amethyst> oh 13:26:42 rchandra: of course, that's what I meant (wondered if anybody would be nitpicky enough that I should spell it out :) 13:26:45 <|amethyst> app doesn't require line of effect, never mind 13:26:50 <|amethyst> I mean, it isn't blocked by monsters 13:26:53 |amethyst: yeah I was about to ask 13:26:54 no 13:27:31 sorry, dpeg - just making sure 13:27:34 <|amethyst> dpeg: I would say for 2. the sort order should be (autopickup, distance) 13:27:48 -!- orionstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:27:49 <|amethyst> dpeg: not just a matter of which comes first, but also the order of cycling 13:28:09 isn't that exactly what I wrote? 13:28:10 crawl often gets some weird interfaces that aren't fully thought through - usually they get fixed but not always, so it's best to have them right the first time 13:28:18 I might be missing a detail here. 13:28:40 rchandra: if you spot one of them, tell us! If necessary, tell us again until we get it :) 13:28:49 rchandra: I fixed the bad interface of jump attack, at least 13:28:54 heh 13:29:09 <|amethyst> dpeg: what you wrote would be compatible with: A. keep the sort order purely distance and B. have the default target be the first autopickup on the sort list 13:29:12 rip jumping as a felid in statueform for faster approaches 13:29:15 crate would like to fix apport in the same way 13:29:16 gammafunk: Dith's interface is better than old jump anyway, right? 13:29:21 dpeg: yes 13:29:28 gammafunk: so extra points for that! 13:29:42 <|amethyst> dpeg: I was just specifying it more tightly :) 13:29:46 although power leap's interfaces is not good I think 13:29:51 it needs a targeter 13:29:56 or its own targeter 13:30:06 I'm sure Lasty will get to that though 13:30:11 gammafunk: we could cut anything, but often it's the easiest solution, not the best. (Unless we're talking MD, of course!) 13:30:19 dpeg: or nemelex! 13:30:31 <|amethyst> dpeg: (I mean the sort order for '*' cycling too) 13:30:34 with powerleap the current emphasizes where you are, not what you hit - that seems better as-is 13:30:43 !learn add gammafunk Sworn enemies of gods, especially gambling gods. 13:30:43 gammafunk[9/9]: Sworn enemies of gods, especially gambling gods. 13:31:03 I think I have a deicide entry 13:31:29 rchandra: I think it should indicate what will be hit, probably 13:31:54 it could use the landing indicator that e.g. shadow step uses for that 13:32:03 well probably the yellow indicator actually 13:32:04 |amethyst: I'd like to amend that apportation BR: so in my (2), you'd specify: "among auto-pickupable items, sort first by distance, among those of equal distance by cycle (*) order" ? 13:33:12 gammafunk: duvessa and crate (often a tag team anyway) are very trigger happy, at least verbally. Although with crate I've seen a comment or two where he admits that if in charge, he'd just leave some feature in, because removal is also work (and not worth it). 13:35:46 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:36:27 dpeg: yeah, I can theorize about how *my* RL would have all the annoying aspects removed, but making said game without the help of people who respectfully disagree is no easy task 13:37:41 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:38:43 gammafunk: there is also the fact that the game caters to widely different audience. A power gamer (in the sense of "plays very many games, good winrate") demands an interface as streamlined as possible. Someone who plays for years but only rarely gets a rune has different wishes. 13:40:15 does range checking rods make them often not usable (thus the rcfile option in 63ea54c) or was that a temporary bug? 13:42:25 gammafunk: I am about to pillage your rc and turn it into a c-r-d mail. Now is the time to stop if you have proposals of your own. 13:42:55 but elliptic will make fun of it! 13:43:07 of your rc or my mail? :) 13:43:12 my rc 13:43:18 it is for a greater purpose! 13:43:55 I'm kidding of course, feel free; I'm not sure how much of what I have would be a good default, but certainly some things might be 13:44:29 &rc gammafunk 13:44:30 Not a valid command: ?rc gammafunk git in ?rc gammafunk git 13:46:06 -!- oblong has quit [Client Quit] 13:46:30 !rc gammafunk 13:46:30 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 13:48:04 dpeg: hrm, which parts are you interested in? I guess I can wait for the mail 13:48:47 item += unidentified.*(potion|scroll|book|jewellery|wand|rod|magical staff).*:lightblue 13:48:54 that is maybe the most critical one 13:49:05 yeah 13:49:37 I mark the ided version just all magenta, which I like, but I'm not sure we'd want to clobber the pretty descriptive colors? 13:49:51 I mean for non-consumables, I make them magenta 13:50:07 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:13 Probably people would object to item += scroll.*(summoning):lightred 13:50:46 but I like the damage scrolls on lightred, and do ?holy_word and ?torment as lightred conditional on player species (undead or not) 13:51:19 gammafunk: I don't copy verbatim. 13:52:06 ok, your evaluation of what's good for a general default is probably better than mine 13:54:28 maybe scroll/potion glyph colours should just map to whatever you have for menu_colour for that item 13:55:51 yeah, I wonder if there's really a need for seperate mappings like that 13:56:12 one thing about that is that the menu uses special colors for things equipped/wielded 13:56:21 but that's only for equipment, doesn't affect consumables obviously 13:56:33 doy: indicating unidentified right on the map is huge 13:57:35 dpeg: do you have an opinion on corpse/food glyphs? It's probably the second thing after unided items that I find important to chaange 13:57:48 like is that an orange on the ground or an orc corpse? 13:58:15 moving corpses to a different glyph and then skels to a still different one is very helpful for me 13:58:20 yeah I set corpse to & for that reason 13:58:35 deathcob gets to keep % though, changing that is cheating 13:58:43 haha 13:59:04 gammafunk: good point, will mention 13:59:06 yeah, having separate glyphs for corpses and food would be good (not sure about corpses and skeletons) 13:59:13 rods and staves too 13:59:29 for skels, the problem is that there are enemies with white corpses 13:59:34 like bats etc 13:59:37 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:39 bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | sense invisible, fly | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 13:59:39 %??bat 13:59:44 yeah, true 14:00:00 aren't rods and staves separate? \ | 14:00:04 mon_glyph = death cob : jewel P 14:00:11 I'm sorry :( 14:00:26 well I suppose I could just drop the P 14:00:27 rchandra: separate glyphs you mean, no they're both | 14:00:43 some people map rods to \ 14:00:47 but that's not the default 14:00:49 ah, makes sense 14:00:59 doy: should be default? 14:01:00 is \ used for anything currently? 14:01:05 uh, \ is rods 14:01:07 I don't think so 14:01:08 gammafunk: portals, in ascii mode 14:01:08 oh 14:01:16 !tell rchandra check your rods, are they not \ ? 14:01:16 rchandra: OK, I'll let rchandra know. 14:01:19 not sure how much we care about ascii mode at this point though 14:01:26 potatolizard: for me rods are | 14:01:34 grrrmm 14:01:35 I'll check 14:01:43 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 14:01:43 I don't play on console so I wouldn't know 14:01:45 it may be your rc that changes it 14:01:45 this might be like books, which are either : or + depending on something? 14:01:48 it is not 14:02:14 oh right, it's \ in wizmode menu 14:02:18 yeah 14:02:29 maybe we should just make rods \ then 14:02:59 doy: yeah I am not clued in on what ascii mode is 14:03:08 gammafunk: as opposed to unicode 14:03:12 oh ok 14:03:41 char_set = ascii 14:04:00 we could probably just map rods to \ for char_set = unicode 14:04:08 and leave it as | for ascii 14:04:26 since i think there would be more confusion between rods and portals than between rods and staves 14:05:32 yeah that sounds nice 14:06:53 I map corpses to � and skels to 0 in my rc. I guess the skel mapping may not be universally accepted, but I think something like the first map is a good idea 14:07:03 for unicode at least 14:07:18 then I map the orb to a pound sign 14:07:51 alternately we could move rods to ⬆ or something 14:07:55 haha 14:09:18 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:09:38 \ is probably a good choice since it's related to / for wands 14:10:03 sure 14:10:09 wands are unix path separators, rods are windows path separators 14:14:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:16:57 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:22 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:05 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:20:43 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:12 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:24:26 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:27:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:19 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:26 -!- serious has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:38:50 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:42:22 -!- lukano has quit [Client Quit] 14:47:26 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:54:17 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:55:30 -!- Zernach has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:21 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 14:56:42 -!- mineral is now known as read 15:01:20 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:01:29 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:52 -!- Xenobreeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11:59 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:58 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:30 -!- MackTheKnife has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:23:31 |amethyst: for webtiles-changes, since we have a new config format entirely, do you think it's necessary to leave commented out e.g. player_url and these other options I'm adding in the default config? 15:24:20 I suppose for the player title and server admin stuff we should, since that requires the admin to either run a script or supply the names of the admins 15:24:51 the devteam listings will work "out of the box", but I guess it's weird to enable only that by default, and not the admin/player title stuff 15:26:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I don't think those should default to the online-server values 15:26:31 ok, I'll just leave them commented out, hence disabled 15:26:46 some things like title_names = ["goodplayers", "greatplayers", "greaterplayers", "centuryplayers"] 15:26:57 well those will just be commented as well 15:27:46 I guess technically that one in particular could live somewhere outside of the config, but putting it in the toml seems the most sensible thing 15:30:13 these also have to go in user.js and style.css, but those definitions won't be used if the default webtiles config is used, so it should be fine 15:31:18 <|amethyst> hm 15:31:44 <|amethyst> so if someone adds a new title_name in the config they have to change the user.js and style.css? 15:31:51 yeah 15:31:56 <|amethyst> maybe then it shouldn't be in the config 15:32:11 <|amethyst> though I guess it makes sense to be able to remove things 15:32:17 oh just sort of hard coded essentially? 15:32:29 <|amethyst> if it's already hard-coded in user.js anyway 15:32:40 right, yeah it could just be in the py somewhere 15:33:06 well actualy the update script I wrote 15:33:12 looks for these titles names in the toml config 15:33:18 so I'll leave it there for now 15:33:36 <|amethyst> it does make sense to be able to change the labels in TOML 15:33:54 <|amethyst> oh, it's just HTML classes 15:34:03 <|amethyst> not actual text displayed to the user 15:34:10 not quite, there are descriptions displayed in tooltips 15:34:14 <|amethyst> ah 15:34:49 ok, well I'll push this to webtiles-changes-score, and if you see anything that looks bad config wise, I can update it (also based on feedback from edlothiol ) 15:39:15 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:40:01 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:02 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-1342-g94d70de: Triple sword tiles (roctavian, 9031) 10(2 minutes ago, 7 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94d70de02286 15:48:33 -!- gbeene has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:49:02 * ontoclasm cuts off the claymore's blade. The claymore grows three more! 15:50:29 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51:19 but the wielded tiles!! 15:51:38 they're still old and :( 15:53:35 -!- FatShack is now known as FtShkAway 15:54:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:55:08 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes-score] * 0.15-a0-2348-g49435bb: Player title colors and descriptions for WebTiles lobby and chat 10(21 hours ago, 11 files, 303+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49435bb18a1b 15:55:42 good + there 15:55:54 ontoclasm: ok, so, remember when I suggested that you move the old bastard sword tiles into UNUSED, and you said "oh, I already kind of blended them into greatswords" 15:55:55 iirc 15:56:06 gammafunk: :) 15:56:08 should have broken that commit up into a few, but the parts ended up being pretty related 15:56:18 when will I get to see this. when will I be the most colorful dev at the ball 15:56:39 when |amethyst is on winter break! 15:56:47