00:00:14 -!- storm13 is now known as brochacho 00:01:38 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.1-4-gac8487e 00:02:23 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:04:46 wwoooo 00:04:55 webtiling? 00:05:26 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 00:07:15 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:09:27 -!- brochacho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1259-g976436b (34) 00:12:55 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:04 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15.1-4-gac8487e (34) 00:16:01 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:18:33 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1259-g976436b (34) 00:19:22 hm I was just thinking of a couple of the changes floated here recently or otherwise that are dependent on what (versions of) OSes our players are running 00:19:23 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 00:19:32 ...and then I remembered that we used to do surveys :) 00:19:58 Are Salamanders a Real Thing under consideration. 00:20:02 "What OS do you run on? Do you play console or tiles? If console, what terminal do you use?" 00:20:15 read, it's more of a side project of mine at the moment that I'm slowly but steadily poking at :) 00:20:24 Okay cool :> 00:20:35 read, at some point I'll probably give them an experimental branch, server admins willing :) 00:20:40 I have other priorities right now, though. 00:20:51 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:20:53 mhm 00:21:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:19 oh no, what priorities 00:22:27 gammafunk: they are as follows: 00:22:27 00:23:14 ...in all seriousness, the main thing I want to get done right now is mon-spell-slots 00:23:35 I probably also want to take a swing at some recent vault submissions. 00:23:40 But right now I should probably go to sleep :( 00:26:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:29:05 yeah, me too, re: sleep :) 00:29:07 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:33:22 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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be able to add that to scoring now. 09:43:19 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:43:38 ??0.15 09:43:38 I don't have a page labeled 0.15 in my learndb. 09:43:51 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 09:44:05 ??0.14 09:44:05 I don't have a page labeled 0.14 in my learndb. 09:44:07 -!- MIC132 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:49:08 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49:29 -!- Hailley has quit [Client Quit] 09:51:07 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:53:47 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01:33 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:13:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:15:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:16:22 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 10:17:13 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:58 -!- Chase has 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save files so we never need to use version tags again 12:24:18 bh: json? betting it's json 12:24:25 Plus it'll give save files a specification beyond "Save files are whatever tags.cc serialize" 12:24:29 Wensley: protobuf 12:24:39 Wensley: good to see you 12:24:43 bh: what, not cap'n proto? :P 12:24:50 Wensley: well, yes cap'n proto 12:25:01 good to see you too! 12:25:06 I was in a field for months 12:25:13 that field was the american midwest 12:25:15 it is a big field! 12:26:16 <|amethyst> bh: plus needs to be an Int16 12:26:16 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:26:48 <|amethyst> and plus2 probably should be as well 12:27:16 |amethyst: plus2 should die 12:27:49 <|amethyst> okay, but it hasn't yet 12:28:30 sure. My assumption is that it'll go away before I finish this 12:28:37 <|amethyst> scaled rod charges, deck used card count, food time 12:28:53 ugh 12:29:10 Maybe it should get renamed. 12:29:20 nuisanceParameter? 12:29:32 <|amethyst> union { ... }; 12:30:29 <|amethyst> bh: it also looks like you missed flags? 12:31:00 <|amethyst> if there are no tags, how do you handle old things? by checking if the marshalled values are out of range? 12:31:10 <|amethyst> let's say we rescale plus so that 10 means +1 12:31:34 <|amethyst> how would you handle old saves with this method of marshalling? 12:31:41 <|amethyst> s/marshalling/un&/ 12:33:41 using the same data to represent different things is naughty :) 12:34:07 and you've been working with crawl for how long now? 12:34:20 <|amethyst> so we'd add a new field and rename @2 to oldplus? 12:34:35 either that or we're stuck with tags 12:34:55 (tag, you're it!!!) 12:35:13 in any case, we still get structure and move away from fragile encoding/decoding 12:35:35 This should also be dead simple to test. Maintain tags.cc add the new version then: 12:35:44 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:36:15 Read a save, emit an old and a new save. Read the new save, emit an old save and compare the two old saves 12:36:31 They should be byte-for-byte equivalent as long as we aren't doing something stupid like serializing the timestamp 12:38:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:57 <|amethyst> the chunks should be identical anyway; I'm not sure I'd count on the whole filesystem being identical 12:43:18 this will be quite a bit of ungalamorous work. I'm happy to do it, but I want to be sure that other folks see a benefit 12:44:00 <|amethyst> I worry about never being able to remove stuff 12:44:14 |amethyst: just ask wheals, MarvinPA, etc. 12:44:15 <3 12:44:32 <|amethyst> also about having to maintain marshalled enums in two places, though I guess the idea is to replace the ones in enum.h with the generated ones 12:45:20 |amethyst: the lack of removal does suck. You can move the field to the end of the declaration and comment it as #obsolete 12:45:44 I suppose the difference in this case is we explicitly call things obsolete, rather than deleting them and having some special upgrade block 12:46:59 <|amethyst> well 12:47:08 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:47:12 <|amethyst> it's not just that they're still in the code 12:47:26 <|amethyst> it's that they're saved 12:47:42 <|amethyst> but I guess disk is cheap 12:49:20 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:57:32 <|amethyst> I am still concerned about how this would handle more complicated save compat stuff 12:57:44 -!- Pluie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:53 <|amethyst> e.g. when we removed ATTR_DIVINE_REGENERATION and switched to DUR_TROGS_HAND 12:58:14 <|amethyst> actually I guess that one in particular isn't so bad 12:58:42 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:04 <|amethyst> is there a way to distinguish "the save didn't have this field" from "the save had the field with a value of zero"? 12:59:36 <|amethyst> that would help with some things 12:59:48 yes. 13:00:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:18 <|amethyst> ah, I guess you just compare the field's offset to the length of the object in the save 13:00:27 <|amethyst> since fields are only appended and never removed 13:04:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 13:04:36 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:42 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:05:54 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:34 fwiw, we could rename plus2 right now 13:07:51 with or without the saves branch 13:07:59 could/should 13:08:26 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:01 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09:48 PleasingFungus: union float_marshall_kludge 13:09:57 for @crawlcode i guess 13:10:03 Marshall Kludge has always been a friend to me. 13:10:11 -!- bh has quit [Quit: brb] 13:10:17 also, look at the comments right after 13:10:18 also, wait, is that a suggestion or a thing that currently exists? 13:10:27 tags.cc:804 13:10:31 !source tags.cc:804 13:10:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/tags.cc;hb=HEAD#l804 13:10:57 possibly the question is why we are using floats...! 13:11:05 that is a good question. 13:11:26 also, dang, look at all those attributed comments 13:11:33 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:35 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 13:11:36 makes me want to add my own, like graffiti on a wall 13:12:01 tags.cc: kilroy was here 13:12:53 huh why did i add this #if 0 13:14:27 wheals: some men just want to watch the world burn. 13:14:36 also, why is ghost in mon-info kept in a union 13:14:47 and why is all of the stuff in it kept in a struct 13:15:04 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 13:15:56 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:16:01 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:08 wow, so the stuff in that struct is (un)marshalled only if it's a pghost 13:17:13 that almost answers my question 13:17:38 wait, does that the use of it for panlords is dumb 13:18:46 <|amethyst> panlords don't use that struct 13:18:57 <|amethyst> that's not the ghost_demon struct, that lives in class monster 13:19:12 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20:37 %git HEAD^{/argh} 13:20:38 07Alex Henry02 {wheals} * 0.16-a0-461-g1cbfad4: l_item.cc : added item.hands 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cbfad4f7ea9 13:20:44 i know but i've made them use it 13:20:45 %git HEAD^{/gratuitous} 13:20:45 07Alex Henry02 {wheals} * 0.16-a0-461-g1cbfad4: l_item.cc : added item.hands 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cbfad4f7ea9 13:20:48 ... 13:20:53 Grunt: click on it 13:21:18 also chimeras use it 13:21:29 <|amethyst> wheals: they do? 13:21:29 wheals: ha <3 13:21:36 %git HEAD^{/argh}^^{/argh} 13:21:36 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-342-g8626ab3: argh no gratuitous floating point please 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 13+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8626ab321d2b 13:21:41 there :b 13:21:43 this doesn't matter so much since monster_infos aren't persisted all that much 13:22:11 gratuitous floating point is the name of my new post-punk concept album 13:22:11 |amethyst: yep, can_sinv and acting_part in particular 13:22:24 <|amethyst> ugh 13:22:28 also, do you have any guesses why it uses a struct wrapped in a union? 13:22:38 (one might say that it's an enigma) 13:23:11 Another thought for refactoring: How about throwing out the crappy RNG we have and switch to AES? 13:23:12 -!- Moonsilence_de has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:23:23 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 13:23:42 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1261-gc3bef15: Clean up code for all rods being single-spell. 10(4 hours ago, 11 files, 163+ 414-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3bef153cbf2 13:23:42 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-1262-g51f2c9e: Remove some old code I forgot to delete. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=51f2c9e7e82a 13:23:45 maybe we should throw out whoever wrote such a crappy rng!! 13:23:45 >_> 13:23:45 wheals: no doubt. 13:23:50 changing the rng isn't exactly refactoring, though, is it 13:24:17 it's just an implementation detail 13:24:28 Er, right. 13:24:44 but why? 13:24:56 (honest question here, I've never had to choose PRNGs) 13:25:16 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:17 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:34 Well. Using an off-the-shelf solution, instead of a homebrewed one, in principle reduces the chance of bugs & increases the ability to get support for any bugs that appears. 13:25:37 c++11's is nice. If we want to use it, it makes more sense to use something off the shelf 13:25:57 Would that actually address the reasons that led us to write our own, though? 13:26:07 (That is, someone cracking the old one) 13:26:23 AES in counter mode is secure and has native CPU instructions in newer intel processors 13:26:34 does C++11's let you choose algorithms? 13:26:49 Yes. It just provides a bunch of adapter classes 13:26:51 I believe it does. 13:27:06 Then that sounds fine to me. 13:27:18 yeah, as long as it's not an entirely platform-dependent black box it should be fine 13:27:25 Of course, we need to switch to c++11 first, eh? 13:27:37 <|amethyst> what AES implementation? 13:27:39 imo start another crd thread :) 13:29:53 FR: when tormented three times in a row, Crawl plays Bolt Thrower's "Drowned in Torment". 13:30:04 |amethyst: we could link against openssl where it's available 13:30:25 though I doubt there's a interface for it 13:30:37 drowned soul (11W) | Spd: 12 | HD: 13 | HP: 15-25 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 012(drown) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, sense invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(60), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 565 | Sp: s.torment | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:30:37 %??drowned soul spells:symbol_of_torment 13:31:02 <|amethyst> bh: isn't there a GPL-compatibility issue there? 13:31:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:00 |amethyst: ugh. I didn't realize they were using some daft homebrew license 13:33:33 <|amethyst> Crypto++ is public-domain it appears 13:33:34 hey, we used to have a daft homebrew license! 13:33:41 wheals: and we fixed that. 13:33:44 <|amethyst> so we could yank out only the parts of that we want 13:33:49 !torment dpeg 13:34:01 boringssl uses a permissive license 13:34:02 -!- Alpha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:34:03 <|amethyst> we have probably had fewer contributors than OpenSSL has 13:34:30 <|amethyst> and relicensing Crawl at this point would probably not be possible 13:34:36 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34:44 <|amethyst> since there are many more past contributors 13:34:48 <|amethyst> than there once wer 13:34:51 <|amethyst> e 13:34:57 <|amethyst> must be going now 13:34:59 !cmd !torment .echo $(let (ignored $*) "/me gestures. $nick is wracked with pain!") 13:35:01 Defined command: !torment => .echo $(let (ignored $*) "/me gestures. $nick is wracked with pain!") 13:35:04 !torment Grunt 13:35:04 * Sequell gestures. wheals is wracked with pain! Grunt 13:35:07 ugh 13:35:36 * bh wonders if nethack died because it had a bad license and was unwelcoming of contributors 13:35:52 |amethyst: we've kind of relicensed Crawl already 13:36:03 bh: Nethack is alive and slightly kicking! 13:36:04 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:16 <|amethyst> dpeg: right, I mean if we wanted to relicense again to BSD or something, it would be a lot harder than it was then 13:36:37 dpeg: it's just rigor mortis 13:37:11 <|amethyst> dpeg: (not that we should, just as a justification for why OpenSSL changing its license might be hard) 13:38:14 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:40:43 |amethyst: ah, I had no idea 13:40:55 bh: might well be 13:47:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:47:53 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:59 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:38 dpeg: Who came up with Xom? 13:58:39 Xom always was. 13:59:07 Xom is eternal 13:59:32 Xom came up with Linley 14:00:23 Xom told Linley to code a game for his amusement 14:00:36 Looking at Grunt's annoted "Religion & Crawl" notes, Xom was added in 3.00. So Xom is in fact not a Linley creation?! 14:01:01 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:01:09 where are said notes? 14:01:22 supersecret :) wanna get a copy? 14:01:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:01:26 plz plz 14:01:27 weren't all gods added in 3.00? 14:01:37 we should put it on dev wiki unless he objects 14:01:41 er, i mean, weren't no gods added before 3.00 14:01:44 no, some are 2.82 14:01:52 mm 14:02:14 Grunt: would you allow sharing your advanced Crawl history knowledge with the filthy masses? 14:02:46 !tell Grunt Would you allow sharing your advanced Crawl history knowledge with the filthy masses? 14:02:46 2.82 on GDO has xom 14:02:46 dpeg: OK, I'll let grunt know. 14:02:54 wheals: nice! 14:03:14 what is GDO? 14:03:37 git.develz.org 14:03:39 +case 16: // Gems - obviously not yet implemented 14:03:42 dpeg: I'm not exactly a Crawl historian :) 14:03:54 +case 10: strcpy(glog, "Orb of Zuggle-Glob"); break; 14:03:58 Grunt: you're the best in that field! 14:03:58 wheals: thanks 14:03:59 IMO un-remove 14:04:13 looks like xom is in 2.70 14:04:15 ok, I'll put Grunt's mail on the dev wiki 14:04:25 ty 14:04:25 wheals: will you update with whatever you find? 14:04:33 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 14:04:43 %git 14:04:43 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1262-g51f2c9e: Remove some old code I forgot to delete. 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=51f2c9e7e82a 14:04:56 if i see anything interesting! 14:05:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:37 dpeg: if I wanted to be a proper Crawl historian I would need the early 2.x series code :( 14:05:44 whoa rumours 14:06:07 I wonder where this belongs on the crawl wiki :) 14:06:10 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:06:18 wow, the scythe of curses goes all the way back to 1.1 14:06:21 Grunt: I know! I will ask Linley when I send him the book!! 14:06:24 dpeg: I really want to be able to trace the development of the dungeon structure to what it is today, as well as the development of the hellpanlords ;) 14:06:42 wheals: name the other three unrands that date back to then :) 14:07:04 singing sword, mace of variab, and "glaive" 14:07:06 of prune? 14:07:11 robe of misfortune??????? 14:07:47 hm, wrath of trog and "S" as well it looks like 14:08:02 wait 14:08:06 oh right there were five :/ 14:08:08 so wrath of trog was years before trog 14:08:13 wheals: yup!!!! 14:08:14 this is revolutionary 14:10:47 goto gutch; 14:11:30 // end of for m loopy thing. 14:11:37 the original loopy!!! 14:11:52 you[0].die() 14:12:25 multiplayer: player[] you; 14:12:48 player[] us; 14:13:03 I still prefer "const player you;" 14:13:29 starting hp ought to be enough for anyone....since you can never lose hp 14:13:41 You cannot move. 14:14:00 hm 14:14:02 ??blinkrobin 14:14:02 blinkrobin[1/1]: You cannot move. 14:14:03 good 14:14:04 hm how do i make a local copy of crawl-anc 14:14:18 i did git clone git://git.develz.org/crawl-anc.git 14:14:27 wheals: go do the dir and "git checkout ancient" 14:14:35 but then i'm getting some messages about "fatal: bad default revision 'HEAD'" 14:14:51 wheals: there isn't a "master" branch there for some reason 14:14:54 error: pathspec 'ancient' did not match any file(s) known to git. 14:15:02 Do you have a crawl-anc dir? 14:15:08 yeah, i'm in it 14:15:11 hm 14:15:12 git status 14:15:21 On branch master 14:15:21 Initial commit 14:15:21 nothing to commit (create/copy files and use "git add" to track) 14:16:06 git branch -a 14:16:07 hm maybe this has to do with cloning in the crawl/ directory 14:16:14 maybe! 14:16:33 remotes/origin/ancient-4.1.2alpha 14:16:33 remotes/origin/ancient-4.1.2alpha-cdo 14:17:06 ah, seems to be working kind of ok 14:17:32 hm 14:18:12 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:history 14:18:37 there are definitely missing pieces in there... add what you can :) 14:18:54 would be fun if someone (a dedicated player :) would update this until today 14:19:03 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:20:57 So Xom is a Linley thing? 14:21:56 Yes. 14:22:08 Xom is one of the original gods! 14:22:12 but not in the list 14:22:30 also (3.10) Nemelex is missing -- probably X and N had no active powers? 14:22:32 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:22:45 *because 14:22:51 I can't get to the page to check :( 14:23:04 wow vehumet was basically sif but better in every way 14:23:40 Bloaxor: yes, there were lots of gambits between S and V later on 14:23:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:23:49 Grunt: wiki or GDO page? 14:23:55 The wiki. 14:24:10 I am not editing it. \ 14:24:12 Bloaxor! 14:24:22 what happen 14:24:27 -!- Isabel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:31 thought you might edit it right now :) 14:24:54 but i have no account there 14:25:00 -!- ebering has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:08 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:07 someone set up us the bomb 14:26:38 weird, it looks like it is my web browser causing issues 14:26:49 Grunt: I can edit :O 14:27:05 * dpeg wonders why Grunt uses Internet Explorer. 14:27:10 I don't!!!!!!!! 14:27:25 ...oh, I'm in now :) 14:27:25 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:26 lynx, like everybody else? 14:27:29 Don't you mean 14:27:30 14:27:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:27:55 And yes, neither Xom nor Nemelex had active abilities back then. 14:28:30 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:31:01 Grunt: oh, I knew... just realised that this is why they didn't show up in the list. (I invented Nemelex abilities. :) 14:31:46 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:31:46 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:33:01 was oka life protection only in 4.1? 14:33:04 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33:31 -!- geedmat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:36:19 I... think so? 14:36:37 What was Brent thinking? 14:37:11 hm 14:37:16 It is in 4.0b26.... 14:37:54 It looks like it is a 4.0ism 14:38:41 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:38 hm no it predates 4.0 14:41:18 Oh, this is interesting. 14:41:28 Divine lifesaving has actually been around for as long as gods have been around. 14:41:40 that makes sense! 14:41:41 Can you guess the six gods that provide it? 14:42:03 Four are extremely obvious (since they still do it today), and the fifth has already been named. 14:42:27 is yred the sixth? 14:42:28 tso, ely, bog 14:42:37 no Beogh back then 14:42:45 Beogh is a purely DCSS invention as a player god :) 14:42:48 Grunt: who is fourth life saver today?? 14:42:50 xom 14:42:51 dpeg would be in a position to know this! 14:42:58 Xom revives you! 14:43:02 ah, sure 14:43:05 You die... 14:43:05 Xom revives you! 14:43:09 <3 14:43:21 so who is it? 14:43:27 I thought *we* added that at some point :P 14:43:48 It was originally in the form of "Xom protects you from harm" on a random chance, but it's existed since then :) 14:43:57 1EZOX aaaand Sif? 14:44:08 1EZXO is correct, but not Sif. 14:44:22 K and Y didn't exist in 2.80, I think 14:44:32 yeah, Y didn't it says 14:44:39 There were some remnants in the code before those gods fully existed. 14:44:42 M? 14:44:45 Not M. 14:44:45 Trog and Makhleb are first wave 14:45:16 Y was the one who only showed up in 3.20, btw. 14:45:16 Trog was so bad back then, with the Might and Haste... 14:45:27 N was 3.10 and V was 3.00. 14:45:32 -!- mspang has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:46 Grunt: tell us, tell us! 14:45:48 -!- ebering has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:45:51 dpeg: K!!!! 14:45:55 (I was very surprised to see this.) 14:46:00 oh, Kikubaaqudgha!!! :) 14:46:44 Grunt: not entirely surprising, with the resurrection-in-necromancy idea 14:47:15 Grunt: you have to add all this to the wiki page now :) 14:47:32 wow, kiku's given a bonus to death's door hp for... a very very long time. 14:47:43 (it's still around, of course) 14:47:47 PleasingFungus: maybe as along as death doors exist! 14:47:55 heh. which predates which? 14:48:19 "This is Kikubaaqudgha, the mighty god of death stools, death doors and death silverware." 14:48:44 augh, sif muna gaining spells from casting spells 14:48:48 who thought that was a good idea???? 14:49:12 probably the person who had a fear of pointers 14:49:15 these were different times.... "Linley's cowboy days", as Darshan affectionally called them 14:49:17 smae person who thought victory dancing was a good idea? 14:49:43 geekosaur: point 14:49:55 clearly that was just part of the Crawl Aesthetic 14:49:59 if you don't like it, go play nethack!!! 14:49:59 ??victory_dancing 14:49:59 victory dance[1/3]: In 0.8 and earlier, "senselessly" repeating an action when your XP pool has XP in it, in order to spend XP on the skill associated with that action. 14:50:18 well, the idea of exercising something to train/develop it is pretty obvious and has real world analogs 14:50:24 so basically mash . when adjacent to a rat for armour/dodging 14:50:39 it just is hard to avoid it being gamed; the real world has prices for such things as well as advantages 14:50:54 you can game the real world quite hard 14:51:06 the only problem is that it's not as blatantly easy as it is in games 14:51:13 and much more straining on your patience 14:51:21 you can, you also pay for it. steroids can f**k you up pretty good, for example 14:51:33 but it's delayed so people don't notice / don't care / take the risk 14:51:34 oh, no 14:51:36 in real life, your time is valuable. in contrast, in videogames, 14:51:50 just do something for a very long time 14:51:53 and get insanely good at it 14:51:57 clearly a better solution to victory dancing would have just been to fix the food clock. simple 14:52:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:18 PleasingFungus: in a sense, yes. A tight food clock lets you get away with lots of otherwise doubtful design decisions. However, I don't think it would have fixed victory dancing very well. 14:53:28 ya 14:53:40 I just thought it would be a funny thing to assert 14:53:43 Thank galehar for undancing! He came up with it and executed it basically alone, with little support and some resistance. 14:53:58 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:25 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:01:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:38 -!- Codrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:01:40 undancing, I like it 15:02:08 unknown monster: "unborn color:lightmagenta" 15:02:08 %??unborn name:undanced color:lightmagenta 15:02:18 unborn (07L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 61-90 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 17 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1170 | Sp: agony, dispel undead (3d19), injury mirror, animate dead, haunt | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:02:18 %??unborn 15:02:25 oh, those are L 15:02:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:02:41 right, not q any more 15:02:51 oh right 15:02:59 maybe make those https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/orb_guardian.png 15:03:18 or ~something~ 15:04:00 unborn tile is not very good 15:04:05 kind of funny though 15:04:37 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:06:18 Grunt: many thanks <3 15:08:23 !tell wheals https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13902 here's something for you console people to argue about 15:08:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 15:09:27 "yes i love overlap and not having to xv to know which type of ammo it is" 15:11:12 well 15:11:15 Who among devs is still playing console? 15:11:21 s/not // 15:11:23 he's arguing that stones should be yellow instead of brown 15:11:24 or something 15:11:33 yeah most of us do still I think 15:11:37 * doy 15:11:37 -!- FatalDestiny has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:38 large rocks were yellow, it was awful 15:11:39 having same colour for launcher and projectiles seems natural and possible. 15:11:42 since those are artefacts 15:11:55 dpeg: except that slings have two projectile types 15:11:59 yeah, normal items should not use bright colors 15:11:59 yes 15:12:19 what are large rocks now? 15:12:22 grey 15:12:25 he alternately suggested "mace-grey" for stones - idk if something 15:12:27 oh 15:12:28 haa 15:12:31 rip 15:12:37 I have one console idea cobbled down, can as well ask here: what if all unidentified scrolls and potions had the same colour, and identified scrolls/potions are colour distinguished by something? 15:12:51 dpeg: I have my rc set up to do exactly that 15:12:55 and I like it much better 15:13:01 gammafunk: I see. Why not make that default? 15:13:08 well for the unided part, sure 15:13:22 but for the ided part, I group them by color with "similar" function in a way I feel is best 15:13:27 but there's not easy system there 15:13:36 gammafunk: but afterwards, there are 14 or so colours left to distinguish known potions. It would be so uuuuuusefuuuuul! 15:13:53 as a start it could just use the inventory colours 15:13:58 yes 15:14:00 dpeg: stealing from the best, eh? in unnethack, dragons are brown until you identified either their hide or seen them breathing. 15:14:13 It breathes! 15:14:15 bhaak: we steal from anyone, good or not :P 15:14:20 We die! 15:14:30 I'm saying that how you assign those consumables to colors isn't trivial 15:14:43 I do it based on similarity of use and value 15:14:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:58 but I'm sure others wouldn't like my scheme 15:15:05 gammafunk: yes, I know. But any change would be improvement b/c it means I have to xv less. 15:15:24 i wonder about making useless ones darkgrey 15:15:27 dpeg: I also color-code food by nutritiion value 15:15:33