00:06:37 couldn't rename the cutlass to "estoc"; it looks like an estoc is a longsword specialized for piercing. no good! 00:08:07 dang. 00:08:15 pity, it's a good name 00:08:34 imo replace long sword with it?????? 00:08:37 <_< 00:08:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1163-g830ab83 (34) 00:08:42 (nah) 00:08:45 nah. 00:10:27 yoroidōshi were apparently used for stabbing, but I think that name might be a bit much 00:10:43 -!- PleasingFungus has left ##crawl-dev 00:10:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:24 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:13:24 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 00:20:17 -!- OCTOTROG1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:40 imo katana 00:24:16 -!- Limulus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:25:17 that doesn't sound like a short blade to me! 00:25:36 wakizashi 00:26:00 oh. also probably we should tweak the vorpal name for piercing weapons 00:26:06 since "of stabbing" is really really misleading 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:42:06 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 06:44:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:46:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:26 good buppy patch, but it needs more "give the player imp taunts" 06:51:49 !tell Lasty looks like the "you cannot call out to ru while silenced thing" comes from no_ability_msg(). could add a case for worshipping ru there but god that function looks bad 06:51:49 wheals: OK, I'll let lasty know. 06:55:50 hm, get_god_abilites(true) might do the trick of checking whether it's silence that's interfering or we actually have no abilities 06:57:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:00:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:00:21 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:03:08 a thorough fix would probably need a rewrite of ability.cc 07:03:12 which wouldn't be a bad idea 07:11:51 !tell Napkin are CDO morgues not working? 07:11:52 wheals: OK, I'll let napkin know. 07:12:01 huh 07:12:10 !tell Napkin false alarm, sorry for bothering you :( 07:12:10 wheals: OK, I'll let napkin know. 07:14:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:16:06 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:18:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:19:47 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:22:08 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:24:15 np, wheals 07:24:16 Napkin: You have 28 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:24:31 i guess the writing just isn't as fast as i'm used to 07:24:44 or maybe Sequell is just too fast ;) 07:37:46 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:37:49 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:44 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:49:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:56:58 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=refs/heads/mon-spell-slots#l3100 07:57:24 wow nice that's in trunk too 07:59:48 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:02:11 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:08:39 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:09:14 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:55 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:17:42 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:51 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 08:19:01 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:16 -!- syllogism_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25:34 -!- syllogism_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:25:34 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:26:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:27:02 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:10 Ayutzia (L26 VpIE) ASSERT(!actor_at(newpos)) in 'spl-tornado.cc' at line 431 failed. 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(Since then you get a potentially huge number of flame/frost w/e charges) 10:12:48 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1166-gf9fb1b7: Mark sustain abilities as useless for dg 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fb1b7cda9d 10:13:33 You now often want to spend ?id on the nicer wands in the early game, whereas you never would have before; certainly it's not rare to find a nice wand early on, and now it's a choice as to whether you want to use your ?id on that or on IDing more consumables. 10:13:43 (Or whether you want to save your ?id for wands...) 10:13:49 (or some of it) 10:13:49 PleasingFungus: is this the hope or already actual experience? 10:13:50 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:13:54 dpeg: The latter! 10:14:00 woo-hoo! :) 10:14:11 Though I don't know how other people are playing it; this is my own personal "playtesting" 10:14:28 doubling the charges of weak wands seems like it would make me more likely to zap-id them 10:14:36 you don't even zap id now 10:14:40 they are floor id'd 10:14:41 but i haven't actually tried playing it yet 10:14:42 doy: well, there's no such thing as zap-iding 10:14:43 yeah 10:14:53 they have changd all the rules :) 10:14:53 they aren't floor ID'd, they're pickup-ID'd, like books 10:14:55 same diff hto 10:15:02 hmmm, okay 10:15:25 and so the lost charges is for every zap before you id the number of charges? 10:15:29 yes 10:15:33 hmmm 10:15:38 unless you use ?id 10:15:55 doy seems not convinced 10:15:55 note that iding the number of charges is of course not guaranteed in any case, unless you have 27 evo 10:16:04 doy sounds like he's considering a new set of mechanics. 10:16:27 I am happy that the first change made it in... been begging for it for a while now. 10:16:32 heh. 10:16:46 (mentioning it since 0.13 or so, I think) 10:16:58 yeah, i guess it's not actually a nerf, since the changes offset for unided wands 10:17:03 so that does sound pretty reasonable 10:17:42 doy: my sole goal was to create more decisions, especially in the early game, about ?id use. 10:17:47 they don't exactly offset 10:18:01 Players often say, "away with id", I say we can do much better. 10:18:03 and for wands like fire, cold, it is somewhat of a nerf, though not huge 10:18:24 ackack: the "counterintuitive effect of making you want to read ?id on something you've already identified' is an odd complaint to me - I mean, this is not a new use of ?id... 10:18:27 just one that's more important than before 10:18:49 i guess, although i think it's qualitatively different 10:19:10 ?id on wands before was for when you thought there was a decent chance that you had haste/hw/tele etc. 10:19:18 or you did have one and wanted to know how many charges were on it 10:19:29 this sort of thing was typically more relevant when ?id had basically completely lost value anyway 10:19:48 Ah - yeah, it's not actually ?id for information, it's ?id for value. 10:19:49 now the reduced early game consumables makes ?id more important early 10:19:50 I see what you're saying. 10:19:57 Many (perhaps everyone) would ?id /heal/haste/tele, at least the first of each. The change tries to extend that a bit to other wands as well. Ideally, it will depend: on how much you have to rely on /fire/etc, how many ?id you have and what else you really need to id. 10:20:11 yeah i could come around on all that 10:20:19 i found it extremely unclear that the problem was that the wand was unid'd, though 10:20:23 yeah 10:20:29 that is a real concern 10:20:30 so the "new mechanic" was already standard for the top three wands 10:20:37 dpeg: sort of not really 10:20:39 yeah 10:20:45 before you probably wanted to do it 10:20:49 now you are harshly penalized if you don't 10:20:57 you didn't? I always ?id'd them. 10:21:03 oh i did most of the time too 10:21:06 sure, but I wouldn't do it first thing 10:21:08 but as i was saying above 10:21:14 you can put it off typically until you have lots of ?id 10:21:20 and still have the wand be basically usable 10:21:26 it's okay: I want tough decisions! 10:21:37 ackack: I mean there's messenging for (1) examining a not-fully-ID'd wand (but who looks at descriptions?), (2) aiming a wand that'll waste charges, (3) wasting charges 10:21:38 yes, it might be that this all works out well 10:21:41 it sounds like (3) is the problem 10:21:56 i saw a message about wasting charges 10:22:26 mpr("You wasted at least one charge getting the wand working."); 10:22:26 yes 10:22:26 yes 10:22:26 it was not clear to me why 10:22:28 this is only a problem during the transition period 10:22:36 i assumed (and in a roundabout way it is) it was because of low evo 10:22:40 i actually would like that more! 10:22:56 dpeg: and for new players, perhaps? unless we think they're more likely to read descriptions 10:22:57 maybe they are! 10:23:17 what about, when ?id'ing the wand, we print: "You won't waste charges on this wand anymore." ? 10:23:33 mm. a little spammy 10:23:36 or change the charge wasting message to something along the lines of 10:23:52 "You need more information about this wand to use it effectively." 10:24:02 that sounds like a spellpower penalty 10:24:06 fair enough 10:24:08 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24:21 on the basis of that message (and i did not think to check descriptions) 10:24:22 PleasingFungus: if they are pristine players (no access to spoiler sites etc.), then they will read descriptions. And if they do, the mechanic will be completely natural by 0.16. 10:24:30 i just assumed there had been a change such that low evo wand use burned charges 10:24:48 dpeg: Hopefully! 10:24:55 I'm still interested in tweaking messages 10:24:56 anyway thanks for listening 10:24:58 these are all first drafts 10:25:00 sure! 10:25:03 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:25:04 feedback is always appreciated 10:25:12 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:21 dpeg: someone suggested changing mpr("Your skill with magical items lets you calculate the power of this device..."); 10:25:31 given the additional implications of iding charge count now 10:25:46 sounds reasonable to change, yeah 10:26:05 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:26:28 ...lets you resourcefully use the power of this device ? 10:26:53 there was a suggestion 10:26:57 I gotta go but I'll look at it more later 10:27:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20141004030203]] 10:27:02 see you! 10:32:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:51 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:03 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Client Quit] 10:33:28 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:36:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:37:52 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:38:51 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:35 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:10 -!- HonestMoneyLende has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:45:38 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:52:07 -!- raikaria has quit [Client Quit] 10:54:34 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:36 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-1167-g3157814: Double sword tiles 10(3 minutes ago, 8 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31578141575a 11:00:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:30 -!- tonio213 has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:01:48 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:02:23 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:05:07 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:36 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 11:06:42 -!- Fortescue is now known as Forteskeleton 11:13:25 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:20 "Zapping wands that don’t have their charge charge count identifies wastes several charges." 11:21:38 is this implying that when you first zap a wand, you lose 1dN charges and then you instantly know the number of charges? 11:21:56 or is the charge-discovery mechanism the same as before, just with a penalty 11:22:27 "Claymores have been renamed to triple swords; bastard swords have been renamed to double swords." now you're just trolling 11:22:39 FR: megabats 11:23:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:26:03 What trolling? Mind your words! 11:26:31 Wensley: same as before, just with a penalty 11:26:49 !lg pleasingfungus tr 11:26:50 8. PleasingFungus the Wrestler (L25 TrMo of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-25 04:20:49, with 1858595 points after 54368 turns and 3:51:13. 11:27:31 PleasingFungus: was the goal to nerf wands for low evo pcs? 11:27:36 ontoclasm: imo put the old bastard sword tiles in rltiles/UNUSED 11:27:39 Wensley: no. 11:28:07 PleasingFungus: when you "waste" a charge, does it apply multiple effects based on the number of charges used? :3 11:28:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:28:17 That wouldn't really be much of a waste. 11:28:23 no, it would just be awesome 11:28:30 PleasingFungus: at least they're not talking about regen amulets anymore! 11:28:32 sigh 11:28:36 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:28:39 dpeg: I am excited for the comments 11:29:00 real Crawlers can only comment in one way: I QUIT! 11:29:11 remove all hp regen from the game. all health must come from increases to max hp 11:29:29 dpeg: a short-lived community 11:29:36 this is not a bad idea, alas not for this game 11:29:39 better to burn out, than to fade away 11:29:59 PleasingFungus: I think they generally come back. 11:30:33 heh. 11:30:34 perhaps so. 11:30:54 these guys can't even quit for reals :) 11:31:05 (neither can devs, it seems!) 11:31:17 rip 11:31:18 rip 11:31:25 I'm going to fork crawl 0.7, call it wensleycrawl, and the only change will be the removal of all races but mountain dwarves 11:31:35 instantly I will steal your entire fanbase 11:32:06 You can have it, all of 'em! Good luck with the subsequent descent into madness!! 11:32:24 what have I done 11:32:57 !send Wensley the sweet release of death 11:32:57 Sending the sweet release of death to Wensley. 11:34:04 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 11:34:07 -!- debo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:34:22 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:36:33 PleasingFungus: i altered the sbastard sword tiles and used them for gswords 11:36:46 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:55 ("altered" here basically just means they are a bit longer) 11:37:32 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:59 o 11:38:01 I think I knew that 11:38:04 hm 11:38:06 ok. 11:38:15 !death ontoclasm 11:38:15 Death has come for ontoclasm... 11:38:26 pray i do not alter them further 11:38:35 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20141004030203]] 11:40:06 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 11:40:27 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:49:37 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:56 -!- NSSgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:20 -!- mkbehr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:55:56 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:34 -!- Kain_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:59:28 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:17 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:08:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:29 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:12:02 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 12:15:47 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1167-g3157814 (34) 12:19:20 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:42 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:21:44 spells[i].flags |= MON_SPELL_INNATE; // rip 12:21:48 useful comment 12:23:47 ya 12:23:54 v. grunt 12:24:09 what's the branch name, again? 12:24:15 I should really read through it 12:24:16 mon-spell-slots 12:24:22 hm 12:24:56 %git mon-spell-slots 12:24:57 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1028-g73a0d37: Distinguish between wizard/priest/innate spells on xv screen. 10(18 hours ago, 3 files, 55+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73a0d3772b9e 12:26:13 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:43 what exactly are MON_SPELL_WIZARD / MON_SPELL_PRIEST used for? 12:28:58 flagging things spell slots -- see the new mon-spll.h 12:29:02 s/things // 12:29:03 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:51 my instinct is that they should be a separate enum (along with 'innate'), so that they can be exclusive from each other 12:30:26 currently you can specify MON_SPELL_INNATE | MON_SPELL_WIZARD | MON_SPELL_PRIEST, which seems meaningless 12:31:07 so in this scenario mon_spell_slot would be { spell, freq, sourcetype, flags } - something like that 12:31:13 -!- Kain_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:33:33 sounds reasonable, i guess 12:34:51 it would help if I knew exactly where wizard/priest/innate were referenced - you pointed me to where they're set, but not where they're read 12:35:09 I'm not even sure if innate should be in that class - should the third enum be 'other' instead? (and innate still be a spellflag?) 12:35:58 mostly all the changes are in mon-cast.cc 12:36:31 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:36:37 oh, did you see the latest pubbpatch on mantis 12:36:42 innate is bad as a spellflag (just removed it locally), since its point is basically to approximate having these changes 12:36:48 not that it does a super good job 12:36:52 forked tongue? 12:37:02 ya 12:37:29 it seems a little silly 12:37:56 yeah 12:38:06 i don't think i like useless items suddenly becoming useful 12:38:24 yeah 12:38:50 the core idea of rSilence is kind of interesting, but too situational to be a major facet, I think 12:39:23 -!- MgDark_HuIE has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:44:50 clearly needs to come with *silence (activated on tension?) 12:44:50 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:43 probably take out the "no immunity to your own silence" part and give a spell success/power penalty instead 12:46:10 yeah this is mega shaky. theme is good, though 12:47:50 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:10 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:48:35 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 12:53:36 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02:12 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:03:25 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:05:28 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:07:57 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:12:51 -!- HonestMoneyLende has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:13:38 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15:12 I'm trying to decide how I feel about giving cloak of darkness +stealth, so it actually works the way I thought it did. 13:15:16 It would complicate renaming it. 13:15:36 And it would be a complication generally, of course. 13:15:55 On the other hand, it would mean you weren't wasting your time wearing it without evoking the ability, which is good? maybe? 13:16:36 What about boots of stealth? 13:17:07 mm 13:17:15 yeah, i guess that'd be stomping on that niche too much. 13:17:16 okay, scrap it. 13:17:48 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:16 yeah, i assumed that the cloak of darkness gave +stealth for a while 13:19:58 probably should just rename it to cloak of invis, like the thread suggested 13:20:03 yeah 13:20:07 ok. 13:22:02 -!- Beast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:10 +1 13:25:40 * dpeg mutters something about blind men and marks. 13:25:40 imo someone with powerful sed skills should do the needful. 13:27:21 s/sed/vim/ 13:28:23 Triple sword tiles, various other item tiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9031 by roctavian 13:28:51 !tell roctavian ARC BLADE 13:28:52 Grunt: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 13:29:01 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:29:27 !tell grunt SHOCKING 13:29:27 roctavian: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:29:28 roctavian: OK, I'll let grunt know. 13:29:49 ??toon[3 13:29:49 toon[3/3]: 2. arc blade, sword and board, fire and lightning, skeleton - despite skeleton defenses arc blade is a glass cannon, and has an easier time playing as a 2 beam gimp archmage than as a melee toon 13:30:54 where do people hail from on the internet, if they say "toon" 13:31:05 mmos 13:31:06 -!- foophykins has quit [Client Quit] 13:31:09 probably wow 13:31:13 what does that even mean 13:31:16 character 13:31:21 mans 13:31:24 ya 13:31:49 I respecced my toon for cc dps. 13:32:02 I hate the word toon 13:32:05 wow, that randart animal hide is an Experience 13:32:12 magicpoints: it annoys me a little. 13:32:52 it annoys me a lot 13:32:53 roctavian: isn't there a randart robe tile (that you made) that looks a lot like your robe of night? 13:32:54 i think it sounds kinda gross, like when i hear adults use infantile language 13:33:09 it's purple and has silly stars 13:33:12 aight 13:33:14 this one swirls with night 13:33:16 I just got it working in-game yesterday so I half-remembered it 13:33:33 did you know that your randart helmet/robe tiles had been broken for months??? 13:33:50 i thought they weren't showing up, but attributed it to my own perception 13:34:01 besides tournament i haven't played a whole lot recently 13:34:07 That robe of night tile is kind of what I think abyss floor tiles should look like 13:34:16 heh 13:34:23 reminds me of that starcursed mass fanart 13:34:36 you know, when i was going through floor tiles to fix for 8874, i actually realized abyss floors are great 13:34:43 things are really visible out there 13:35:19 I don't think I've ever been annoyed by them 13:35:21 which is good! 13:35:37 i'm really excited to get tomb floors dulled down 13:35:54 i have no other way to affect that branch, at least it'll be easier on the eyes 13:36:06 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:15 haha 13:36:51 that's 8874, not to be confused with 8847, which was also yours and which you just closed 13:37:13 i planned that obv 13:37:16 looks like sordz.etc.png didn't make it to the new ticket? 13:37:41 or spellbinderer2? 13:37:50 those are in, not spellbinderer but i'll upload that one real quick 13:37:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:11 Did you know that Outcold have a song called Crawlspace? 13:38:32 I'd never even heard of Outcold before! 13:40:56 03wheals02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1029-g5058c3b: Simplify slightly. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 592+ 603-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5058c3b1f8b5 13:40:56 03wheals02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1030-gbd79db3: Simplify, based on SPELL_NO_SPELL never being in a monster spell list. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 15+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd79db39cda5 13:40:56 03wheals02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1031-g2aeb07f: Pass slot flags farther, make sure 'priest' and 'wizard' get updated. 10(4 hours ago, 10 files, 96+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2aeb07fcde5f 13:40:56 03wheals02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1032-gef8f20c: Ditch SPFLAG_INNATE. 10(72 minutes ago, 4 files, 17+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef8f20c0968e 13:40:56 03wheals02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1033-gae15b9d: Make M_SPELL_NO_SILENT a slot flag. 10(30 minutes ago, 6 files, 14+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae15b9de7a48 13:40:56 03wheals02 07[mon-spell-slots] * 0.16-a0-1034-gdc1e1a4: Fix a problem with some monster_spell iterators. 10(10 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc1e1a4a2cd2 13:41:42 "simplify slightly ... 592+ 603-" looks a bit weird 13:41:46 heh 13:42:15 wheals: it gives us a clue what'll happen if you write "simplify moderately" some day! 13:42:37 200 files, 0+ 235454- 13:42:38 Well, that's terrifying. 13:42:46 aw, it was funnier before you sent that 13:42:49 yeah 13:43:46 dc1e1a4 is really shady-looking 13:43:51 even though I, too, don't know much c++ 13:43:51 yes 13:44:17 imo ping |amethyst about it next time he's on 13:44:22 i assume there is a standard way to do this, and this is not it 13:45:23 also, did you see the gammadunk 13:46:19 n 13:46:27 !source mon-cast.cc:3112 13:46:27 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l3112 13:47:32 <|amethyst> You wouldn't like my answer :) 13:47:39 uh oh 13:47:53 <|amethyst> (it starts with a "g" and ends with an "oto") 13:47:57 * wheals hides under the floor! 13:47:58 agh! 13:48:11 <|amethyst> Perl has 'redo' 13:48:39 oh, I see the bug. 13:48:47 there's a more elegant way to solve this. let me think for a sec. 13:48:55 I know I've seen this exact thing before... 13:49:10 assuming I have any id scrolls, since the devs removed them all (lol thanks devs) 13:49:15 wheals: yeah I did see that. is that a gammadunk 13:49:23 * PleasingFungus removes gammafunk! 13:49:25 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:49:52 of course it is 13:49:55 at least i assume it is 13:50:03 maybe i should have actually git blamed 13:50:36 goto considered essential 13:50:58 rip that great stab damage goto that went inside a switch case 13:51:27 oh it's actually by qoala 13:51:33 gammafunk is off the hook, this time 13:51:38 what 13:52:07 it was spectral weapon so i assumed it was your fault 13:52:20 yeah the person who actually made spectral is qoala 13:52:21 wow, this code is... fascinating. ideologically, the right solution is not to be modifying things that you're iterating over... 13:52:24 I just fixed some bugs with it 13:52:37 which should be doable, I think? 13:52:45 i GUESS 13:52:53 sounds boring though 13:52:58 8) 13:54:08 probably I would make a local vector and fill it with the (filtered) contents of the input, and then set the monster's spells to that. might not even be less "efficient", not that we care 13:55:54 oh yeah, just making a new vector instead of editing in-place could work 13:56:57 anyway, have to go 13:56:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:36 %git dc1e1a4 13:57:36 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1034-gdc1e1a4: Fix a problem with some monster_spell iterators. 10(26 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc1e1a4a2cd2 13:59:03 hrm, I should backport tile_player_tile to 0.15 14:00:07 should you really? 14:00:14 yeah, I don't see why not 14:00:21 it's a feature that's still buggy? 14:00:32 and we generally don't backport features at all? 14:00:47 we do, depending on *mystery stuff* 14:00:51 mm 14:00:56 we try not to change gameplay though 14:01:15 well, I'm not going to launch into a furious revert-storm if you backport it 14:01:19 I do think it's pretty silly 14:01:28 but that's the story of that entire option, so, 14:01:39 well my view is that it's ok if I'm willing to do the work and I don't break anything 14:02:03 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:02:12 if you guys weren't changing 0.16 so much that I'll have to play 0.15 until trunk stabilizes I wouldn't have this problem! 14:02:25 thanks devs!!! 14:02:26 you what 14:02:47 when mon spell slots lands in trank there will be breakage 14:03:00 and I cannot lose even a single elf.....not even once 14:03:24 remember the starting spell fiasco after all! 14:03:30 imo 14:03:31 instead 14:03:36 sacrifice your elfs to help us find bugs 14:03:41 !lg gammafunk he s=ktyp 14:03:42 he is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use he-- (High Elf) or --he (Healer) to disambiguate 14:03:46 !lg gammafunk he-- s=ktyp 14:03:47 1618 games for gammafunk (he--): 627x quitting, 613x mon, 310x beam, 39x pois, 6x trap, 5x cloud, 4x disintegration, 3x acid, 2x winning, 2x spore, lava, stupidity, targetting, curare, wild magic, leaving, starvation 14:03:53 you have a few to go around, I think 14:04:03 those are already spent though 14:04:07 !lg gammafunk !he-- 14:04:08 675. gammafunk the Caller (L3 DESu), quit the game on D:3 on 2014-09-27 04:14:51, with 53 points after 779 turns and 0:07:04. 14:04:17 haha, are you running low? 14:04:23 !log gammafunk he-- ktyp=lava 14:04:24 1. gammafunk, XL7 HEIE, T:4477: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20130727-195912.txt 14:04:35 likely intentional 14:04:38 but I don't remember that one 14:04:39 ya 14:04:49 but truthfully it's kind of annoying to speedrun with lots of changes going on in trunk; I will def. do a normal run or two there though 14:05:09 just add all kinds of crazy summoner/sif buffs to trunk to win me back 14:05:13 it's on you, devteam 14:05:22 I've been vaguely thinking about what a tmut/summ spell would be 14:05:25 heh 14:05:33 the obvious answer is "royal jelly form" but also that's dumb. 14:05:48 hrm, a form that lets you make summons though 14:05:54 I kind of like how that really does use the two schools 14:05:57 rakashashashashasshahsass 14:06:00 but yeah just not sure what it would be 14:06:15 but it's kind of just a weird idea, who would use it? 14:06:20 read: it is literally impossible to spell that monster's name correctly. 14:06:26 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 47-86 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 995 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16), phantom mirror, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:06:26 %??rakshasa 14:06:31 gammafunk: demon!!!! 14:06:42 demon what? 14:06:43 get thee away from me 14:06:59 oh, well that's not even top 20 difficult crawl names! 14:07:00 4192 | D:7 | Gained mutation: Your mind is acute (Int +1). [potion of gain intelligence] 14:07:05 wow, I didn't remember those were around that recently 14:07:11 %git :/ain int 14:07:12 Could not find commit :/ain int (git returned 128) 14:07:28 potion of "often better than beneficial mutation" 14:07:31