00:00:11 like, floors? 00:00:16 im gonna play as a green crystal wall and you can't stop me!!! 00:00:18 man, let players go crazy 00:00:27 it's harmless 00:01:52 anyway. I fully expect hydra form to be balanced & pushed in the morning 00:01:53 except possibly to themselves 00:01:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 00:02:04 rip PleasingFungus 00:03:02 i imagine allowing players to play as green crystal walls could make bug reports more confusing 00:03:07 but that's probably a marginal case 00:03:24 let's see 00:03:45 immobile, reflects various incoming magical attacks, vulnerable to LRD, ??? 00:05:15 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 00:06:11 camoflauge ability 00:06:18 Stlth++ when beside Green Crystal Wall. 00:06:42 occasionally teleported to fill the spot in a vault when a level generates imo 00:06:42 ??hydra form 00:06:43 I don't have a page labeled hydra_form in my learndb. 00:06:53 i think it's a branch 00:07:10 big enough for an experimental build? 00:07:16 vOv 00:07:37 %branch hydraform 00:07:37 Branch hydraform: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/hydraform 00:07:38 I think he's still working on it anyway. 00:07:47 well gui icons? 00:07:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:07:57 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:59 %branch formreform 00:07:59 Branch formreform: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/formreform 00:08:03 If anything mon-spell-slots probably will be the one that needs testing, but I want more people to dig into the code for that first :) 00:08:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045 (34) 00:17:39 | mons:[:weapon:,][:shield:,] 00:17:52 I just know players will understand that syntax documentation in options.txt 00:18:43 really should be their own options....UGGG 00:19:03 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045 (34) 00:19:41 -!- Adventurer_ has quit [] 00:20:05 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:16 -!- mkbehr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:49 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:37 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:48 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:46 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:27 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:47:31 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:48:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045 00:52:47 If hydraform gets cleaving, will monster hydras get cleaving attacks too 01:01:09 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:02:39 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:54 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06:22 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:07:32 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:08:52 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:09:23 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:11:44 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:11:44 -!- Smello_ is now known as Smello 01:11:44 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13:41 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:15:07 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:16:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 01:17:26 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:19:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:21:28 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/arbalest.png 01:21:35 possibly? 01:23:36 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:27:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:28:41 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 01:30:12 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:33:30 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:34:21 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:35:22 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:27 -!- xen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:38:29 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:31 !tell wheals where did you get that idea of FORMER nethack fork dev from? :-] 01:41:31 bhaak: OK, I'll let wheals know. 01:46:09 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:07 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:48:43 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:36 -!- drke has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:24 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:52 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:03 gammafunk: you can just use natural language if that syntax isn't clear enough? 02:05:23 x or y or z 02:05:47 though idk maybe that's against some style guide or consistency concerns or ????? 02:14:17 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:21:33 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045 (34) 02:33:19 I'm just going to split it into separate options, so it's much clearer 02:33:47 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:17 Sadly we won't be able to use non-player tiles, it turns out, since there are other checks in the tiles framework that expect the tile to be a player one 02:34:36 might be able to fix that, but I can look into it later 02:39:49 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:51 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:46:25 -!- vissborg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:47:12 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:50:10 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:37 Hi devs, this is wierd: 02:50:39 Ru asks you to sacrifice your ability to go unnoticed. 02:50:39 This is a significant sacrifice. 02:50:39 Ru asks you to sacrifice your ability to go unnoticed. 02:50:39 This is a modest sacrifice. 02:50:57 it changes around randomly every time I select it? 02:51:18 sometimes modest, sometimes significant? 02:55:31 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-1025-g281755f: Options tile_weapon_offsets and tile_shield_offsets 10(3 hours ago, 7 files, 131+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=281755fa9cc6 02:58:20 !tell pleasingfungus Potential Hydraform devouring issue: anti-cannibalism conducts from Beogh/Ely/TSO (also anti-eating-sentients from Zin but he wouldn't like the spell with or without devouring) 02:58:20 magicpoints: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:59:51 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:57 Do you know if that Ru thing is a bug, magicpoints? 03:01:25 Maybe, you'd do better to ask Lasty, he made Ru 03:01:41 yeah 03:03:48 !source god-abil.cc 03:03:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/god-abil.cc;hb=HEAD 03:03:57 o right 03:03:59 !source godabil.cc 03:04:00 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc;hb=HEAD 03:06:25 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06:30 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:45 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14:30 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:17:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:39 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:20 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:31:45 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:11 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:43:29 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:52 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:53 -!- mp[crawl] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:32 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:36 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58:49 0.16-a0-1001-gc03620c 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9013 by Dootley 04:04:27 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 04:07:09 -!- qoala has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18:25 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:26:22 !seen MakMorn 04:26:23 I last saw MakMorn at Sat Sep 20 10:34:34 2014 UTC (1w 5d 22h 51m 48s ago) joining the channel. 04:27:15 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:27:56 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 04:28:29 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:08 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 04:41:41 -!- dgu_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:49:46 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:01 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:56:21 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:45 %git 1e6cffc8 05:00:45 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-1015-g1e6cffc: Make Note::place use level_id, not packed places. 10(12 hours ago, 2 files, 25+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e6cffc831ac 05:03:41 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-1026-ge901fcf: Fix missing space in br.end and zig milestones (rchandra). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e901fcf8ec02 05:03:53 &versions 05:04:03 thanks elliptic 05:04:04 CAO: 0.16-a0-1001-gc03620c, CBRO: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045, CDO: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045, CKR: 0.16-a0-1003-gc65ad49, CLAN: 0.16-a0-1009-g0339a9e, CSZO: 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045 05:04:15 ??rebuild 05:04:15 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 05:04:27 ooh, nice command too 05:06:17 pushed the rebuild button for CBRO and CSZO to minimize the number of ugly milestones (it isn't a big deal though since the missing space doesn't affect sequell's noun-parsing) 05:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1026-ge901fcf (34) 05:13:10 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:14:19 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1026-ge901fcf (34) 05:19:35 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:29:51 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:36:09 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:29 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:39:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:58:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:02:10 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:32 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03:49 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:57 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 06:05:57 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:08:49 -!- whatislove has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:08:52 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:28 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 06:19:23 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:20:04 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:13 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:03 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:50 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:34:07 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:43:19 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:44:11 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:47:18 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:31 !seen Napkin 06:52:31 I last saw Napkin at Sat Sep 27 20:44:11 2014 UTC (5d 15h 8m 20s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 260 seconds'. 06:52:35 !seen Napkin_ 06:52:35 I last saw Napkin_ at Fri Oct 3 09:27:45 2014 UTC (2h 24m 50s ago) parting ##crawl, saying 'chanpart'. 06:55:17 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:58:45 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:59:02 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:03 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:47 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:36 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:27 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:25:32 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:30:37 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:32:01 MakMorn 07:32:12 you need to use a different email address if possible 07:33:58 see private irc messages 07:40:00 -!- daiy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:43:21 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:47:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:57:16 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:30 -!- myp has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:05:37 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:11:29 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:11:29 -!- Smello_ is now known as Smello 08:11:49 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14:23 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:39 !tell magicpoints Good catch re: conducts! I'll handle it. 08:20:39 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:20:40 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let magicpoints know. 08:21:11 !tell johnstein I don't really think one spell/form is big enough for an experimental branch, sadly... 08:21:11 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 08:23:06 agh, these checks are gonna conflict with dechunk *hard* 08:23:50 mopl (L21 OpFi) ASSERT(eq == EQ_RINGS) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 146 failed. (Vaults:2) 08:26:27 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:29:42 -!- Nstar has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:33:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: maybe re-add ring of vitality under the old enum and make it not generate? 08:34:12 ? 08:34:14 why 08:34:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: or re-add your unequip-on-marshall check but for the ring only 08:34:19 <|amethyst> !crashlog mopl 08:34:20 12. mopl, XL21 OpFi, T:61061 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/mopl/crash-mopl-20141003-132347.txt 08:34:33 <|amethyst> That's from an octopode taking the amulet of vitality off from a ring slot 08:35:03 the former seems simpler, I suppose 08:37:16 hm 08:37:26 the problem is that I'm pretty sure new vit also uses the same enum 08:37:45 so.... hm. 08:37:56 <|amethyst> yeah, it's tricky now 08:38:34 anyway my unequip-on-unmarshall code would only cause the crash faster 08:38:41 since my implementation went through the same codepath 08:39:04 ... also someone's reporting http://i.imgur.com/k8d3jYM.png and I'm not sure how they're getting it (I asked them to dump their save) 08:40:44 PleasingFungus: basically everybody with =regen generated seems to have that 08:41:16 been seeing quite a few mentions in channel and I assume that's it, anyway 08:41:32 but 08:41:38 hm 08:41:51 <|amethyst> I definitely see where the first "buggy" is coming from 08:41:59 I have a local save with =regen, made before the save for specifically this reason 08:42:07 *made before the change 08:42:09 <|amethyst> I'm not sure why it's "buggy jewellery" and not "buggy obsoleteness" 08:42:10 and I can't replicate it with that save 08:42:31 <|amethyst> oh wait 08:42:43 <|amethyst> no, I'm not sure why it's not "ring of obsoleteness" 08:43:38 yeah I need a save from someone with this bug 08:45:21 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 08:46:02 hmm. will a log/lst work? 08:46:55 -!- DKR has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:48:15 a log would be completely unhelpful 08:48:26 I'm not sure what lst files are 08:48:40 lists all items in the game 08:48:57 yeah I don't think that would tell me anything new 08:49:04 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49:14 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:16 then all I can give you is: Bad item: buggy buggy jewellery item #9: base: 6; sub: 24; plus: 0; plus2: 0; special: 26 quant: 1; colour: 7; ident: 0x2000400f; ident_type: 4 08:53:37 <|amethyst> sub 24 is NUM_RINGS 08:53:56 <|amethyst> do you know what it was before? or was it like that when you found it? 08:54:04 scummos pasted it in channel 08:54:34 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 08:54:43 I guess I can try upgrading my ancient games, see if one of them has one 08:56:31 <|amethyst> oh 08:56:36 <|amethyst> it's not on save transfer 08:57:41 <|amethyst> yeah, make a bunch of "any ring" and you'll get one 08:57:45 <|amethyst> I think I see the problem 08:57:47 m - tubular brass ring {tried, not stasis} 08:58:11 good equipped item (game upgraded from very early 0.15) 08:58:18 huh 08:58:21 well, now you know 08:59:38 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:51 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1027-g2f85e2a: Don't generate buggy buggy jewellery. 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f85e2a78419 09:01:36 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:02:38 <|amethyst> though arguably the problem is that NUM_RINGS isn't actually the number of rings anymore 09:02:48 I'm not quite clear on what the commit does 09:02:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: RING_FIRST_RING is 1 09:03:07 ah 09:03:09 ok yeah I see now 09:03:40 -!- Pluie|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:45 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: bbl] 09:04:02 the weird date on the ring -> amulet change is confusing 09:04:50 git has a distinction between when a commit was (initially) authored and when it was actually added to a given branch 09:05:03 <|amethyst> and chei shows the former, not the latter 09:05:13 you can see this with a ton of recent commits, since they were saved up over the feature freeze + tournament 09:05:15 yeah, so does git blame 09:05:43 I am not sure that it's practical to actually see when a commit was added to a branch; that's a concept on which git is rather fuzzy 09:05:47 since branches don't really exist 09:05:59 <|amethyst> you can see when the commit was added to the repository 09:06:21 <|amethyst> (which is not necessarily the same thing, if the commit was merged into the branch) 09:07:15 oh 09:07:19 maybe_identify_base_type is buggy now, I think 09:07:27 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:07:40 (I'm grepping around for uses of NUM_RINGS) 09:08:15 I think that's the only dubious use of NUM_RINGS 09:09:13 <|amethyst> COMPILE_CHECK(NUM_RINGS == TILE_RING_ID_LAST - TILE_RING_ID_FIRST + 1); 09:09:22 <|amethyst> is questionable 09:09:29 <|amethyst> though I haven't checked the tile enums 09:09:50 yeah I saw that but it's not blowing up now 09:09:51 <|amethyst> I guess it's not broken, because I can compile 09:09:52 so I assume it's good 09:09:54 haha 09:09:56 o/ 09:10:04 <|amethyst> h 09:10:05 <|amethyst> oh 09:10:13 <|amethyst> becasue we have a TILE_RING_REGENERATION still 09:10:18 <|amethyst> if that is removed it will break 09:10:31 <|amethyst> s/casu/caus/ 09:10:47 I think I have an # 34 in there somewhere 09:13:10 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:23 03PleasingFungus02 07[hydraform] * 0.16-a0-1033-g816d7bc: Make hydraform respect god conducts (magicpoints) 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 33+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=816d7bc74f41 09:18:03 when's the mystery test branch 09:18:46 I don't think one spell/form needs/wants a branch 09:19:22 probably gonna poke it a bit more, get some opinions, then hopefully merge it in 09:19:40 there will be arguing first tho 09:19:42 as with all good design 09:24:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1028-ga5a51aa: Fix ring ID 10(43 seconds ago, 2 files, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5a51aa86908 09:25:30 So what's hydraform actually do? 09:25:38 stronk unarmed... 09:25:41 WITH CLEAVING 09:25:43 you can swallow guys 09:25:46 AXE HANDS 09:25:50 !!!! 09:25:56 immunity to bladed weapons? 09:26:13 cleaving UC damage that scales strongly with spellpower. starts out doing slightly less damage than blade hands (despite being a level higher & melding all your kit), scales do do absolutely horrifying damage. 09:26:43 shit defenses, huge regen, huge hunger over time to discourage using it as nega-regen and also to make its ultra-short duration more meaningful. 09:26:50 notionally sort of a 'berserk form'. 09:27:13 does it specify how many heads you have 09:27:15 Hmm 09:27:36 yes 09:27:38 oh 09:27:40 shit 09:27:44 I forgot to implement head-chopping 09:27:46 shit! 09:27:54 hah 09:27:54 http://pastebin.com/9XzzjMPf also here's a thing 09:27:56 i.e. immunity to bladed weapons? 09:28:08 <|amethyst> I hope you can lose to having your last head chopped off even at full HP 09:28:13 er. no, just head count changing 09:28:17 and falling out of form if you lose all your heads 09:28:32 <|amethyst> I guess falling out of form is a reasonable substitute for dying 09:28:38 <|amethyst> if you're some kind of player-lover or something 09:28:41 8) 09:28:45 well 09:28:51 oh those are str/dex respectively 09:28:57 sorry, forgot to label my... labels 09:29:06 the alternative is just cancelling the form when your head count is low 09:29:07 and the values are base UC damage 09:29:24 !send Bloax EXECUTIONER STORM 09:29:24 Sending EXECUTIONER STORM to Bloax. 09:29:29 except they aren't flaming 09:29:31 hm 09:29:37 <|amethyst> flexecutioner 09:29:41 blademasters with flaming cutlasses? 09:29:45 uh oh 09:29:50 cerebov cuts heads too 09:29:55 i guess that also counts 09:30:07 -!- stump is now known as Guest53635 09:30:07 PleasingFungus: Given that hydra form is skill-intensive form (e.g. mid-to-late game), and melds all your equipment and has poor defenses (presumably 0 AC!), is hydra-form a good choice for characters to cast? 09:30:07 yeah but I was thinking about situations where you'd lose several heads in a turn 09:30:08 (let's ignore that you're fighting cerebov for a moment) 09:30:09 surprise instakill!!! 09:30:22 fighting a group of efreeti 09:30:23 Lasty_: the defenses aren't nearly as bad as that 09:30:35 ...even spider form has 2 ac 09:30:36 PleasingFungus: Hydra form gives you better AC than a hydra? 09:30:40 yes 09:30:46 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 55-90 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 977 | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 09:30:46 %??hydra 09:30:50 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 09:30:50 %??fire dragon 09:30:57 dragon form also gives you better ac than a dragon 09:30:59 spider (10s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 15-30 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 1008(poison:10-20) | web sense | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 132 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 09:30:59 %??spider 09:31:08 fr buff spider form AC to 3 09:31:08 heh, and spider form gives slightly less than a real spider 09:31:13 ice beast (12Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 512(cold:5-14) | amphibious | Res: 06magic(20), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 130 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 09:31:13 %??ice beast 09:31:19 losing your last head could do something horrific to you when you return to normal form 09:31:24 e.g. paralysis 09:31:26 like, uh 09:31:30 You are wracked with pain! 09:31:34 yes 09:31:39 PleasingFungus: How bad are hydra form defenses? 09:31:42 ontoclasm: remember what bloax said a moment ago about just cancelling form 09:31:45 when you're low on heads 09:31:48 but yeah 09:31:50 (also note that this will never happen anyway!) 09:31:52 that's why i didn't suggest it at first 09:31:56 <|amethyst> your amulet falls off 09:32:01 oh_no 09:32:03 the worst curse of all... 09:32:11 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/arbalest.png 09:32:13 that would actually be pretty funny 09:32:18 and since it would barely ever happen 09:32:19 make it a thing 09:32:36 oh yeah I saw that arbalest. it's cool 09:32:38 <|amethyst> Stand in front of an executioner to let yourself wear more amulets 09:32:42 ontoclasm: it looks cool 09:32:55 |amethyst: stacking 3x warding = secret tech 09:33:00 and that reminds me of something 09:33:05 or hm 09:33:11 do you wanna decorate the scalemail item 09:33:12 Lasty_: currently I have them at, ah... 6 + pow * 5 ac (capping at 16 ac). compare to dragon form fixed 16 ac, statue form 17 + pow * 10 ac 09:33:17 <|amethyst> Lasty_: does it stop sucking when you pile enough of them together? 09:33:22 ? 09:33:30 |amethyst: No :p 09:33:54 -!- Miauw has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:33:56 I was making a joke about how bad amulets are and how useless it would be to wear multiples 09:34:22 <|amethyst> multiple amulets of regen! 09:34:29 well, yeah, that's kinda goodish 09:34:37 I dunno about the explanation, I don't feel the need to painstakingly micromanage when I should wear a regen ring or not mid-combat (nor have I seen anybody do this), I just keep it on or put it on after a fight. It's not tedious.. Moreover, it's precisely with amulets where I tend to do the most swapping, think Zot where you have to switch between Clarity and rMut depending on whether... 09:34:39 ...you're fighting a moth of wrath or OOF... Honestly if the explanation was "nerfing ring of regeneration by forcing it to compete with more important amulet swaps" I'd be much less confused 09:34:43 Which is why I whole-heartedly support moving regen to amulets 09:34:50 <|amethyst> Lasty_: 8 amulets of faith 09:34:50 ontoclasm: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/scale_mail.png 09:34:54 |amethyst: !!!!!!! 09:34:58 |amethyst: Now that would be good. 09:34:58 Quite Powerful 09:35:11 Until the form wears off and suddenly you gets 8x -faith 09:35:16 clearly 09:35:19 gotta be a vine hydra 09:35:23 and eat loads of mp 09:35:29 to recast loads of hydraform 09:35:32 and eat loadsa permafood 09:35:37 to sustain the munchies 09:35:52 ultimately to sustain 09:35:54 your 8x faith 09:35:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:11 !send Bloax 20x faith 09:36:12 Sending 20x faith to Bloax. 09:36:24 I was vaguely thinking about an amulet of transmutations 09:36:24 PleasingFungus: 16 AC isn't godawful, but I assume you have no resists and size penalties to EV at least . . . 09:36:26 but idk what it would do 09:36:39 Armored Hydra Form 09:36:41 Lasty_: the size penalties aren't as bad as I expected, since it turns out hydras are smaller than dragons? 09:36:48 Oh, interesting 09:36:51 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 55-90 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 977 | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 09:36:51 %?? hydra 09:36:52 also it isn't 16 ac in practice, since that requires 200 tmut power 09:36:54 fr: neck ring, counterpart to the finger amulet 09:36:56 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 09:36:56 %?? fire dragon 09:36:57 in practice it's 8-12 09:37:10 hmm 09:37:14 you also have rpois (!!!) and rdrown (!!!) 09:37:16 and horrifying regen 09:37:25 which is the part of the design I'm most nervous about probably 09:37:29 Well, I'm cynical about it being a good choice to be in hydra form, but I suppose I'll have to try it and see 09:37:33 it's post-bloax-tier regen 09:37:46 What kind of regen are we talking about here? 09:38:02 rr += 400 + you.props[TRANSFORM_POW_KEY].get_int() * 3; 09:38:09 Wow 09:38:11 Not bad 09:38:16 combat-relevant regen 09:38:24 wow 09:38:27 oh, I need to fix a comment 09:38:28 postbloaxism 09:38:33 i am impress 09:39:37 oops, accidentally rebased 09:39:43 might as well clean stuff up while I'm at it 09:39:44 also how's the scalemail 09:40:15 Bloax: looks good 09:40:42 do you want to decorate it or should i knock my head at it until it looks good 09:42:02 up to you; my only suggestion would be to mess with the arms, since a) it'll help distiguish it from chain/ring, and b) the doll tile has those distinctive shoulder pads 09:42:26 i think it looks fine without much decoration, like maybe just a belt or something 09:42:58 probably the belt i actually have on the tile 09:43:12 maybe some buckles on the side, since none of the others have those and i imagine you might buckle it on 09:45:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[hydraform] * 0.16-a0-1029-g941fe05: Replace LAST_FORM with NUM_TRANSFORMS 10(3 days ago, 5 files, 12+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=941fe05104e2 09:45:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[hydraform] * 0.16-a0-1030-g159c3a8: Add hydra form 10(3 days ago, 8 files, 123+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=159c3a8b3486 09:45:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[hydraform] * 0.16-a0-1031-gf4beff3: Cleanup cleaving checks 10(13 hours ago, 4 files, 31+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4beff388f7a 09:45:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[hydraform] * 0.16-a0-1032-g96c4285: Add Hydra Form spell 10(3 days ago, 7 files, 40+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=96c42850b537 09:45:20 03PleasingFungus02 07[hydraform] * 0.16-a0-1033-geb9589c: DEVOUR THY FOES 10(10 hours ago, 4 files, 93+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb9589c2d3a2 09:45:31 hooray for force push 09:46:00 wait, you actually can devour your enemies whole? I thought that was a joke. 09:46:05 do I joke 09:46:24 . . . yes? 09:46:25 it's (1) cool (2) a good synergy with megahunger 09:46:29 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:46:37 I'm not against it, I'm just surprised. 09:46:40 (3) encourages people to actually use the cleaving 09:46:49 so they can maximize goblinsgobbled/sec 09:46:54 haha 09:46:59 i look forward to eating an entire squad of orcs at once 09:47:02 er, / turn, I suppose 09:47:17 I might need to tweak the odds; currently it's a coinflip, which might be too common... 09:47:23 Spriggan hydras can't eat peeps? :( 09:47:36 it would be Exploitable I think 09:47:40 tragically 09:47:52 however gozagites currently can 09:47:59 possibly I should also disable that; I'm uncertain 09:48:04 If spriggans start learning hydra form to get extra nutrition . . . well, I'm fine with that. 09:48:16 Heck, they can get Necromutation for only a bit more XP 09:48:17 I'm not! 09:48:19 swallow enemies, gain gold, take damage as the gold appears in stomach 09:48:24 and it's quite a bit more xp :) 09:48:29 well, yes 09:50:50 I vaguely wonder if it would make sense to move the megahunger to attacks instead of turns & move the megaregen into healing on eating instead? the problem is extended, I suppose, where a level 6 spell should probably still be usable... idk 09:50:57 Hmm -- it looks like when you devour a monster, you get full nutrition for its chunks, even if that would take you way past the point where you would stop eating chunks normally 09:51:21 yes 09:51:45 I don't want the form to waste nutrition, since that would be bad. I guess I could not eat at all if it would make you too full, but that would be weird and counterintuitive for players 09:51:57 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:27 well, it's not wasting it... you couldn't eat that stuff normally 09:52:36 sure you could. wait until the fight is over, butcher & eat... 09:52:46 IMO, having hydra form also be gourmand form is fine. The only downside is that we'll get an influx of people insisting that if you can't find a staff of energy you absolutely MUST use hydra form on your blasters. 09:52:47 well, eat a little while later, I suppose 09:52:54 that sounds amazing, lasty 09:53:01 i guess you could wait 09:54:01 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:21 I mean, that's pretty much how people treat Necromutation already 09:54:34 sure but necromut is a pretty different form :) 09:54:52 brb 09:54:54 Right, I meant specifically claiming that it's mandatory for silly reasons 09:54:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 09:56:44 keep the superregen 09:57:31 hydraform sounds like an impractical gourmand 09:59:40 is hydraform worth an experimental branch ? or is it just too small of an impact? 09:59:40 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:00:10 johnstein: well i know one thing that people want a branch for :v 10:01:12 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:41 -!- Redz has left ##crawl-dev 10:03:03 supervamps? 10:03:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:05:45 nay 10:06:01 https://copy.com/RMVYHHYOqxmdvGcr 10:06:12 -!- tlocalhos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:34 minor upping in the hp/mp regen department and a bit of player melee damage averaging 10:06:52 (which actually results in a loss of damage, but who cares about that) 10:11:13 -!- zero_one has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:12:25 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:24 "minor" here meaning "doubled or more" 10:15:37 -!- tlocalhos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:00 doubling a small number still results in a small number :^) 10:16:34 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/scale_mail1.png hm 10:16:52 -!- Nicodemus__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:54 mm, looks good 10:17:51 oh so that's what was off with that pauldron 10:18:16 upd8ed 10:18:19 it wasn't purple enough 10:19:49 yeah, I don't think I want hydra form to be *actual* gourmand, since popping into hydra form to eat chunks up to engorged sounds megadumb 10:19:59 but making it ignore satiation restrictions is probably fine 10:20:18 still undecided re spriggans & gozag 10:20:24 right, eating chunks as a hydra is silly. You want to eat peeps! 10:20:30 chunks are too small 10:20:33 you are HUNGRY 10:20:36 ^ 10:20:48 you're basically a troll^2 10:25:53 Arguably, disallow eating any food other than eating while attacking 10:25:53 gotta eat fast 10:25:53 Hydras aren't scavengers. 10:25:53 sounds like a good way to starve players 10:25:53 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:53 Yeah! 10:25:53 ha 10:25:53 you say that like it's a bad thing 10:25:53 Again, killing players 10:25:53 I mean, you went into hydra form to -not- eat things? Big mistake. 10:25:53 xom can hydraform people 10:25:53 fr xom polymorphs you into a hydra to kill you through starvation 10:25:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:25:53 especially if he's bored 10:25:53 Does Xom do it with nothing edible around? 10:25:53 potentially. it's tension-based 10:25:53 Xom says, "You look hungry." An orc appears out of thin air! 10:25:53 ha 10:25:53 ^^^^ 10:25:53 fr fr 10:25:53 then the coinflip fires and you don't actually devour it :) 10:25:53 "The orc screams and drops its falchion." 10:25:53 Well, it is Xom! 10:25:53 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Client Quit] 10:25:53 You didn't worship Xom because you wanted to live a long and healthy life 10:25:53 -!- Pluie|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:25:53 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:25:53 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:27:09 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:09 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:27:12 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 10:27:17 if you're worried about players starving then just have the form automatically end if you drop to starving 10:27:29 I was literally just starting to type that when I saw you post it 10:28:04 I considered this at some point but it seemed inelegant & also there was another reason 10:28:06 I think 10:28:47 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28:47 Another alternate plan: allow hydrae to eat w/o devouring only when starving 10:30:53 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31:03 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-1029-gdfc7942: Arbalest tiles (and shadow fixes) 10(15 minutes ago, 7 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfc794201638 10:32:08 -!- fr_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32:37 what darkness lies in the hearts of hand crossbows? 10:32:42 the shadow knows... 10:32:53 ...that was bad, sorry. 10:33:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:33:45 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/hydra1.png lol 10:33:59 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 10:34:27 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:46 are htose 10:34:48 *those 10:34:49 tiny armys 10:34:51 *arms 10:34:56 also I'm just gonna give up on typing, now, forever 10:36:00 acually is cut off hedas 10:36:38 o 10:36:39 hm 10:36:43 just kinda looks lumpy 10:36:46 not stumpy 10:37:19 well it's a hydra :v:v;v 10:38:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:38:20 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:38:56 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:40:14 are hydras lumpy? 10:40:25 oh I forgot to mention I like the non-lump parts 10:40:36 it's cool. One Hydra With Attitude 10:41:09 (it's lumpy because they regenerate 2fast2furious) 10:42:21 -!- mp[crawl] is now known as magicpoints 10:44:42 but the whole point is that the wound is cauterized so it doesn't regenerate! 10:45:51 the head is actually under the bulge 10:45:55 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:04 which is why a hydra dies when you cut off its last head 10:46:07 it suffocates 10:46:52 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:34 fascinating 10:48:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:49:01 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:51:13 -!- Noom_afk has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:52:54 Is it just me, or does the yellow colouring from TSO's halo get brighter at higher piety? 10:52:58 uhh it should take Drown damage then??? 10:53:01 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:53:03 virsimilitude???? 10:53:14 it can't drown, it can swim!!! 10:53:22 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53:22 How Swimming Works 10:53:35 good news i've discovered i can't drown 10:53:39 Can hydraform swim 10:54:25 yes 10:55:04 fast as monster hydras, which are as fast as merfolk 10:55:06 quite powerful...... 10:55:18 -!- alefury has quit [] 10:56:41 also, if someone can explain to me *why* hydras are fast in water, I'd appreciate it 10:57:05 the heads spin around like propellers 10:57:27 PleasingFungus: because the hydras use the water to their advantage 10:57:29 to do 2x damage 10:57:45 because oldcrawl :^) 10:58:00 I'm gonna go with magicpoints' version. 11:01:23 so then is speed determined by # of heads 11:01:33 capped at an amount where the propeller becomes less efficent 11:01:33 ???? 11:01:51 im overusing those question marks a little, perhaps. 11:02:07 -!- halv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:21 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:29 no way?????? 11:06:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:10:44 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:16:40 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:41 -!- read has quit [Quit: class] 11:18:05 -!- Noom_afk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:19:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:28:53 -!- tswett_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:10 overusing punctation, is funny, and the best 11:29:22 magicpoints: of course it is 11:29:24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11:29:41 -!- tswett_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:41 !dam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11:29:41 -!- tlocalhos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:42 9437183.0 - 18874367.0 11:29:50 Ouch! That really hurt! 11:30:38 DANG 11:30:38 rip 11:31:12 -!- derGrimnebulin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:31 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: zzzzzz] 11:32:03 Fightsim uses melded weapon skill 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9014 by raskol 11:32:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:18 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:42 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:46:02 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:51 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:48:36 ??pain card 11:48:36 pain card[1/1]: By card power, 0: {agony} 1: {bolt of draining} 2: {symbol of torment} 11:49:27 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:54:37 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:22 Lasty_: sent you a crd reply 11:57:42 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:08 PleasingFungus: imo write a reply to that other crd e-mail >_> <_< 11:58:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:13 wait 11:58:14 you already did 11:58:16 !!!! 11:58:23 haha 11:58:29 yeah sleepwalking is so weird/silly 11:58:41 I am not really sure why it exists 11:59:20 It originally was a bug!! 11:59:24 Then someone decided it wasn't. 12:02:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:45 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:04:22 heh 12:05:03 elliptic: How do you feel about "buffing" ice and dragon forms a bit? Both of those depend a lot on charms to get their defenses better. Do you think giving ice form e.g. more AC is necessary? 12:06:41 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 12:09:01 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:23 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:28 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:11:52 -!- Noom_afk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:55 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:43 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:11 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:46 hide the yarn >.> 12:16:45 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 12:17:14 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1029-gdfc7942 (34) 12:17:17 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:17:39 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:00 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Client Quit] 12:18:53 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:23:15 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:17 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:30:17 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:30:43 PleasingFungus: Those are approximately the critiques I expected to receive. 12:31:33 huh 12:31:52 that's an odd response 12:32:02 I didn't say I had no answer for them. :D 12:32:53 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:14 should've put them in your email, then! 12:33:24 -!- Mandragora is now known as Guest96061 12:35:58 I was hoping to gauge reactions without making the detail level too fiddly. That may have been a miscalculation. I do think there's value to having things play out in a discussion. 12:37:45 well, it *was* already quite a long email 12:37:48 eager to hear your answers 12:37:50 yeah 12:37:50 ! 12:37:55 I'm typing them up now 12:39:21 keyboard cat (06h) | Spd: 10 (move: 80%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 37 | Sp: haste | Sz: little | Int: high. 12:39:21 %??natasha name:keyboard_cat spells:haste 12:39:37 still really bugs me that natasha is on h 12:40:37 i have her on q i think 12:41:10 -!- tls9540 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:42:17 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:58 So you didn't like any of the wagers aside from "kill ogre"? 12:43:16 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:43:38 I thought the decending a level one might be interesting. 12:44:19 I'm a little on the fence about the potion one. I haven't been able to convince myself that it's obviously broken/gameable or that it is. 12:44:23 *or that it isn't 12:45:57 it sounds really goofy 12:46:15 I think crawl has generally been staying away from giving uses for useless potions for good reason 12:46:55 didn't realize the other one was descend a level; read it as change floors, which is obviously uninteresting. descend a level is... also not that impressive, honestly 12:47:04 -!- Guest53635 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:25 Agreed, but this isn't much like the other cases for useless potions -- try to think of 5 potions you could reliably chug before taking damage that wouldn't be a meaningful cost. 12:48:49 The closest I can think of are flight/porridge, and you don't get that many of those, and you already have some incentive to carry them since they're technically useful 12:49:58 wait, how do you shuffle the deck normally 12:50:13 By succeeding at Nemelex's challenges or using its **** ability 12:50:15 poison 12:50:25 Can you drink 5 poison potions without taking damage? 12:50:27 yes 12:50:36 How? 12:50:39 rPois 12:50:44 Oh, touche 12:50:49 Okay, fair enough 12:50:57 bad idea then 12:51:33 and then how do you gain piety, only through the challenges? 12:51:37 yes 12:51:40 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51:54 that seems bad 12:52:18 lasty is a one-ru horse 12:52:19 I'm only going to gain piety depending on how randomly "good" the challenge is 12:52:20 Honestly, the "challenges" idea is a bit shaky. PF may be right that there aren't enough good options. 12:52:42 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:52:45 what if nem gave you piety for exploring -quickly- 12:52:47 I'm not sure of that, certainly I haven't spent much time trying to think of challenges 12:52:57 gammafunk: I was thinking piety would always be offered in * increments 12:52:58 that was just based on the ones you'd suggested 12:53:07 ontoclasm: technically, both he and ash do this 12:53:14 given that piety decay exists 12:53:25 okay, sure, but moreso 12:53:35 like, if you take your time and rest a lot you'll get very little 12:53:51 piety decay can be tweaked, but why do you want it to be? 12:54:07 nem wants you to push forward and take risks etc, mainly just so it's different from ash 12:54:12 similar to oka <-> trog 12:54:29 just a thought 12:54:34 sure. 12:54:51 I'd also be okay with a gold-based piety system, where you give Nemelex gold in exchange for shuffles / new cards, but Gozag exists 12:55:40 Gozag isn't very exciting though 12:55:51 Crazy idea; what about merging Nemelex and Gozag 12:56:22 Crazy idea: merge Na and Op 12:57:07 gozag is really cool, actually 12:57:12 -!- Miauw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:16 kind of confused by people who think otherwise 12:57:30 So what, a slow-moving marilith race? that's be cool 12:57:31 define cool here 12:58:04 yeah I guess it would be kind of cool, I retract my joke idea 12:58:39 I only used G once on a Tr, but I think his abilities got a bunch of tweaks since then 12:58:59 I recall not liking my requested shop showing up in vaults when I didn't have a rune... 12:59:14 wtf, why would you go with g on a tr 12:59:25 what's wrong with that? 12:59:30 hunger? 12:59:32 no 12:59:35 you request potions? 12:59:41 that costs gold? 12:59:46 that you get from.... 12:59:49 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:59:56 You get a lot of gold 13:00:01 but not that much gold! 13:00:03 I made it to shoals:5 no problem 13:00:07 well, yes 13:00:09 you're a troll 13:00:10 I'm not sure which version you're playing! 13:00:20 I was not even remotely close to starving 13:00:23 I'm playing the version where gozag provides an infinite number of gold sinks 13:00:25 of course you weren't 13:00:31 -!- mkbehr has quit [Client Quit] 13:00:36 of course I wasn't, so your point is? 13:00:36 but you were way worse off than you would be on a race that didn't drink all their gold away 13:00:44 brb 13:00:46 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20141001030205]] 13:00:55 way worse off indeed 13:01:12 I was way worse off because I chose Gozag, which would be true of any species 13:01:28 but that's not the point really, the god is meant to provide a different play style 13:01:38 I mean otherwise only Mu really wants to go G 13:03:45 -!- Ahrin has quit [] 13:08:57 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [] 13:09:02 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:07 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:57 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:11 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:21 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20:17 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:22:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:26:31 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:24 the argument is that troll hunger generally isn't that big a deal (beyond motivating you to maybe move a little faster), since it's compensated for by POWERFUL CARNIVOROUSNESS; going with gozag takes that away and turns a near-neutral into a significant drawback 13:27:44 that is, that gozag is worse for trolls than for the average race 13:28:26 yes but you're overestimating the impact of tr hunger; If I wanted an optimal god choice I'd just choose Trog 13:28:34 That was like my 3rd shop that I bought 13:28:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:28:42 the first two were not very good shops 13:28:58 Lasty_: I wasn't trying to assert that you'd never played a deck-building game 13:28:58 it was a sincere question 13:29:36 since you hadn't mentioned anything about deck-building in your proposal, I wasn't sure if you were intentionally doing deck-building, or accidentally re-inventing it 13:29:46 I figured it was sincere, I was just confused -- it seemed like an odd question to me 13:29:58 gammafunk: what was your third shop? 13:30:04 the vaults one? 13:30:05 the one I bought that landed in vaults 13:30:17 <|amethyst> by coincidence I'm playing Dominion right now 13:30:48 again there were G tweaks after that game, which was on the experimental branch 13:30:51 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:31:04 -!- Guest96061 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:06 |amethyst: It's too bad they shut down isometric. :( 13:31:14 <|amethyst> isotropic 13:31:16 er 13:31:17 right 13:31:18 yes 13:31:24 does isotropic still host innovation? 13:31:24 <|amethyst> goko isn't terrible, when it works 13:31:25 that was a fun game 13:31:46 <|amethyst> Yes... haven't played it though 13:31:50 <|amethyst> http://innovation.isotropic.org/ 13:31:52 we should play sometime 13:31:58 I haven't played in ages 13:32:24 I've never played that one, though I've heard good things. 13:33:07 <|amethyst> I guess it's not really "by coincidence" that I was playing dominion 13:33:11 <|amethyst> Record: 2102-1822-54 13:33:25 <|amethyst> "coincidence" implies low-probability 13:33:34 That is a -lot- of Domion 13:33:37 *Dominion 13:33:51 !hs neil 13:33:52 9661. Neil the Faith Healer (L27 HOHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-10-04 20:54:19, with 1318561 points after 99008 turns and 8:11:47. 13:34:03 <|amethyst> !lg * x=sum(dur) 13:34:07 3642879 games for *: sum(dur)=200y+102d+18:24:58 13:34:09 <|amethyst> !lg . x=sum(dur) 13:34:09 9662 games for |amethyst: sum(dur)=62d+16:35:01 13:34:16 We need to consider the entire distribution of |amethyst activities 13:34:17 !lg . x=sum(dur) 13:34:18 1081 games for Bloax: sum(dur)=23d+16:02:19 13:34:24 haha 13:34:51 !gamesby . 13:34:51 PleasingFungus has played 329 games, between 2013-11-22 22:41:11 and 2014-10-02 21:59:25, won 31 (9.4%), high score 23422719, total score 189913489, total turns 6121747, play-time/day 1:45:47, total time 23d+3:24:16. 13:34:52 <|amethyst> 11 hours a week in the classroom, too 13:34:57 huh 13:35:01 just behind bloax 13:35:08 !gamesby . 13:35:09 !gamesby . 13:35:09 Bloax has played 1081 games, between 2012-05-28 08:04:20 and 2014-09-27 19:51:48, won 14 (1.3%), high score 20502640, total score 135828792, total turns 4989173, play-time/day 0:39:57, total time 23d+16:02:19. 13:35:09 gammafunk has played 2285 games, between 2012-04-26 17:48:23 and 2014-09-30 05:05:57, won 17 (0.7%), high score 24084354, total score 125631656, total turns 12912922, play-time/day 2:10:09, total time 80d+6:15:53. 13:35:13 get on my level 13:35:14 you don't need the . 13:35:21 I'm not sure why I put it 13:35:22 we don't care 13:35:23 neither did you! 13:35:30 admittedly 13:35:44 somehow that . is satisfying 13:35:52 interface experts, please comment 13:35:53 <|amethyst> 'Gamesby' sounds like a town in northern England 13:35:56 haha 13:35:57 look at dat total turns 13:36:01 mmmm 13:36:06 !lg gammafunk orb 13:36:07 No keyword 'orb' 13:36:09 hm 13:36:17 I know there's a way to query this, I just always forget 13:36:34 orb is for lm 13:37:03 won 13:37:06 ? 13:37:12 you need lm for orb 13:37:16 since it's a milestone 13:37:20 !kw orb 13:37:21 Built-in: orb => verb=orb 13:37:44 there's no query for game not won where the player had the orb 13:37:56 well no single lm/lg query 13:38:06 <|amethyst> !lm * orb lg:ktyp!=winning 13:38:07 877. [2014-10-01 10:37:30] olowven the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of Ashenzari) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 13:38:12 ah, right 13:38:13 lg: 13:38:14 <|amethyst> !lm * orb lg:ktyp!=winning x=lg:ktyp 13:38:15 877. [2014-10-01 10:37:30] [ktyp=] olowven the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of Ashenzari) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 13:38:26 <|amethyst> !lm * orb lg:ktyp!=winning lg:ktyp!= x=lg:ktyp 13:38:27 877. [2014-10-01 10:37:30] [ktyp=] olowven the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of Ashenzari) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 13:38:29 hrm 13:38:34 <|amethyst> !lm * orb lg:ktyp!=winning !alive x=lg:ktyp 13:38:35 877. [2014-10-01 10:37:30] [ktyp=] olowven the Conqueror (L27 GrFi of Ashenzari) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 13:38:41 well still it's not really what we'd want, I guess 13:38:46 congrats, olowven! 13:38:48 would be nice if there were a special field for that? 13:38:48 <|amethyst> !kw alive 13:38:49 Keyword: alive => recent ktyp= type!=crash 13:38:51 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:39:02 <|amethyst> !lm * orb lg:ktyp!=winning s=lg:ktyp 13:39:07 877 milestones for * (orb lg:ktyp!=winning): 448x beam, 350x mon, 17x disintegration, 9x leaving, 7x quitting, 6x pois, 6x lava, 5x starvation, 4x cloud, 4x water, 4x acid, 3x something, 2x wild magic, 2x stupidity, 2x self aimed, weakness, spines, burning, rotting, targeting, beogh smiting, reflect, petrification 13:39:13 !lg . won x=urune 13:39:14 17. [urune=3] gammafunk the Wrestler (L27 TrWr of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-25 09:32:40, with 1589924 points after 82508 turns and 8:46:42. 13:39:19 yeah, like urune/rune 13:39:40 oh, that was.... 13:39:49 hold on! 13:39:57 <|amethyst> !lg * ktyp=something 13:39:58 1427. Benn the Covered (L7 HuFi of Trog), killed by a distortion unwield on D:5 on 2014-09-26 19:36:45, with 472 points after 1965 turns and 0:38:31. 13:40:04 <|amethyst> !lg * ktyp=something s=kaux 13:40:05 1427 games for * (ktyp=something): 503x a distortion unwield, 465x distortion unwield, 237x a card of wild magic, 190x an indirect mummy death curse, 18x the effects of Hell, 3x a chaos effect from your hand axe of chaos, 2x a chaos effect from your quarterstaff of chaos, 2x reading the book of Annihilations, a chaos effect from your mace of chaos, the Scythe of Curses, the malice of Kikubaaqudgha... 13:40:39 !lg * kaux=an_indirect 13:40:39 No games for * (kaux=an_indirect). 13:40:40 grrr. My chrome does not pull up my player page even when I have gammafunk in the bookmark and in stead pulls up the search result gramma funk!!! 13:40:47 !lg * kaux=an_indirect_mummy_death_curse 13:40:47 221. hanon12 the Tortoise (L19 HOFi of Beogh), killed by an indirect mummy death curse on Tomb:3 (tomb_3) on 2014-09-23 03:11:55, with 281238 points after 20393 turns and 2:50:56. 13:40:54 !lg * kaux=an_indirect_mummy_death_curse s=xl 13:40:54 221 games for * (kaux=an_indirect_mummy_death_curse): 104x 27, 19x 26, 16x 9, 13x 8, 13x 7, 10x 6, 8x 25, 8x 23, 5x 21, 5x 5, 4x 19, 2x 22, 2x 20, 2x 10, 2x 15, 2x 24, 14, 12, 16, 18, 4, 13 13:41:04 How's Gramma Funk doing? 13:41:13 !lg * kaux=an_indirect_mummy_death_curse s=xl xl>=15 13:41:14 158 games for * (kaux=an_indirect_mummy_death_curse xl>=15): 104x 27, 19x 26, 8x 23, 8x 25, 5x 21, 4x 19, 2x 20, 2x 15, 2x 22, 2x 24, 18, 16 13:41:17 wow 13:41:31 death curses suck hard 13:41:39 there must be a way to make chrome more intelligent about that 13:42:01 wow, ok 13:42:03 !lg . won 13:42:03 17. gammafunk the Wrestler (L27 TrWr of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-25 09:32:40, with 1589924 points after 82508 turns and 8:46:42. 13:42:05 !lg . won -2 13:42:06 16/17. gammafunk the Ninja (L26 SpEn of Dithmenos), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2014-05-20 06:10:39, with 2081891 points after 83608 turns and 9:55:40. 13:42:11 so who added those?! 13:42:16 grammadunked again 13:42:18 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:42:19 those are experimental branch wins 13:42:29 !lg . KoHu won 13:42:30 1. gammafunk the Unseen (L27 KoHu of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-09-05 05:34:38, with 2084007 points after 104461 turns and 18:44:59. 13:42:35 wow, even jump-attack 13:43:37 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43:53 is there even a way to see what branch it came from? 13:43:55 !kw nostalgia 13:43:56 Built-in: nostalgia => game=nostalgia 13:44:02 !lg . KoHu won x=game 13:44:03 1. [game=] gammafunk the Unseen (L27 KoHu of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-09-05 05:34:38, with 2084007 points after 104461 turns and 18:44:59. 13:44:26 !lg . won x=game 13:44:26 17. [game=] gammafunk the Wrestler (L27 TrWr of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-25 09:32:40, with 1589924 points after 82508 turns and 8:46:42. 13:45:06 !greatplayer 13:45:12 Unwon species for gammafunk: Centaur, Deep Dwarf, Deep Elf, Formicid, Hill Orc, Human, Merfolk, Minotaur, Mummy, Naga, Tengu, Vine Stalker 13:45:19 !lg gammafunk KoHu won x=explbr 13:45:19 greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:45:20 1. [explbr=] gammafunk the Unseen (L27 KoHu of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-09-05 05:34:38, with 2084007 points after 104461 turns and 18:44:59. 13:45:24 !lg gammafunk KoHu won x=file 13:45:25 1. [file=remote.cszo-logfile-any-jump] gammafunk the Unseen (L27 KoHu of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-09-05 05:34:38, with 2084007 points after 104461 turns and 18:44:59. 13:45:29 heh 13:45:36 greensnark: is this a recent change you made? 13:45:37 !kw experimental 13:45:38 Keyword: experimental => explbr!= explbr!~crawl- || file=~smithgod 13:45:45 well I guess so :) 13:46:04 !kw experimental explbr!= explbr!~crawl- || file=~smithgod || file=~jump 13:46:05 Defined keyword: experimental => explbr!= explbr!~crawl- || file=~smithgod || file=~jump 13:46:11 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:46:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:21 well the problem is that there are a bunch of old ones 13:46:22 Yes, I added all the experimental branches I could find 13:46:35 Sequell's goal is to track all crawl games on all public servers 13:46:39 Experimental or otherwise 13:46:45 ok, neat 13:46:48 thanks for the work on that 13:46:53 * greensnark wants to be able to -tv anything. 13:47:06 Now I can give PleasingFungus on how to properly play a Tr 13:47:17 *give him lessons 13:48:08 !lg . won s=file 13:48:09 17 games for gammafunk (won): 7x remote.cszo-logfile-git, 4x remote.cszo-logfile-0.12, 2x remote.cszo-logfile-0.11, 2x remote.cszo-logfile-any-weightless, remote.cszo-logfile-0.13, remote.cszo-logfile-any-jump 13:48:48 greensnark: one question for you, if we make new experimental branches, do we have to inform you before they'll be tracked? 13:49:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:03 Yes, I need to add them to Sequell's sources 13:49:11 ok, thanks 13:49:16 ??experimental 13:49:17 experimental[1/1]: Experimental branches sometimes created on CSZO to test new features such as chunkless, smithgod, Ru. Games saved in these branches may become broken or get deleted. They are not tracked on CAO pages, nor can they be queried by lg/lm. 13:49:31 I should edit that 13:49:33 Although it would be nice if each server could host a file that says where its crawl logs and milestones are 13:49:35 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 13:49:43 yeah, that would be great 13:49:54 greensnark: cbro has a few experimental branches I think? 13:49:56 ??cbro 13:49:57 cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 13:50:10 maybe they're only the usual ones on the non-dev server 13:50:10 I think I got all of them 13:50:13 ah, ok 13:50:17 !lg * cbro s=file 13:50:17 25417 games for * (cbro): 10815x remote.cbro-logfile-git, 6545x remote.cbro-logfile-0.14, 6439x remote.cbro-logfile-0.15, 638x remote.cbro-logfile-0.13, 630x remote.cbro-logfile-any-gods, 193x remote.cbro-logfile-any-plutonians, 86x remote.cbro-logfile-any-chunkless, 34x remote.cbro-logfile-any-rc, 25x remote.cbro-logfile-any-new-nemelex, 12x remote.cbro-logfile-any-weightless 13:50:27 oh wow, yeah there's plutonians 13:50:53 !gamesby . 13:50:53 gammafunk has played 2285 games, between 2012-04-26 17:48:23 and 2014-09-30 05:05:57, won 17 (0.7%), high score 24084354, total score 125631656, total turns 12912922, play-time/day 2:10:09, total time 80d+6:15:53. 13:51:00 0.7%, massive increase 13:51:20 quite powerful 13:51:28 ??awfulplayer 13:51:29 awfulplayers[1/3]: Membership in the awfulplayers list is strictly voluntary, but only open to those with over 1000 games and a win rate under 1%. 13:51:43 voluntary, the key word 13:51:51 gammafunk, I have a proposal for you :) 13:52:25 rename triple-crossbows to claymore-crossbows now that we have triple-swords again? 13:52:55 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:53:02 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:53:03 sounds like an 13:53:06 awful 13:53:08 idea 13:53:28 ...clearly bastard crossbows 13:53:36 good compromise 13:55:42 !learn set experimental Experimental branches sometimes created on CSZO to test new features such as chunkless, smithgod, Ru. Games saved in these branches may become broken or get deleted. They are not tracked on CAO pages, but ask green.snark to add them to Sequell so they can be queried by lg/lm. 13:55:43 experimental[1/1]: Experimental branches sometimes created on CSZO to test new features such as chunkless, smithgod, Ru. Games saved in these branches may become broken or get deleted. They are not tracked on CAO pages, but ask green.snark to add them to Sequell so they can be queried by lg/lm. 13:56:09 !gamesby 13:56:10 Bloax has played 1081 games, between 2012-05-28 08:04:20 and 2014-09-27 19:51:48, won 14 (1.3%), high score 20502640, total score 135828792, total turns 4989173, play-time/day 0:39:57, total time 23d+16:02:19. 13:56:13 wow 13:56:16 not an awfulplayer yet 13:56:18 surprising 13:56:34 !hs Bloax 13:56:35 1081. Bloaxor the Conqueror (L27 VSMo of Iashol), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-16 23:26:38, with 20502640 points after 74424 turns and 6:36:50. 13:56:44 not a real speedrunner 13:56:57 !lg Bloax won min=turns 13:56:58 14. Bloax the Brawler (L24 VSTm of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-07 00:09:20, with 4946408 points after 13320 turns and 1:50:58. 13:56:59 beat me nerd 13:57:07 3 runes lol get good 13:57:15 mlg pro 13:57:47 #7 turns of all time and #2 webtiles realtime of all time at the same time 13:57:50 imho p. good 13:58:54 well we can all make conditions where we're the best 13:59:05 !hs * recent god=sif 13:59:06 8475. tlatlagkaus the Cryomancer (L27 MuIE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-10 11:44:06, with 20886481 points after 72907 turns and 11:08:22. 13:59:15 ??gammafunk[6] 13:59:15 gammafunk[6/12]: <|amethyst> that's dumb 13:59:22 god I need to edit this 13:59:29 -!- zvx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:40 ??gammafunk[5] 13:59:40 gammafunk[5/12]: 813. [urune=15] gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34. 13:59:50 well i barely play 14:00:40 also, I'm cheating since that game isn't recent, but I did quit a game in 0.15 that had all but hell runes and was like 5k better than that one 14:00:44 And I generally hate going through hell grind. 14:00:58 the hell grind* 14:01:23 !hs 0.12 god=sif 14:01:24 162. gammafunk the Genius of the Arcane (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-10-19 22:10:40, with 24084354 points after 61517 turns and 17:44:43. 14:01:31 !hs * cv=0.12 god=sif 14:01:32 2084. Bart the Devastator (L27 DrCj of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-05-26 20:46:44, with 26268472 points after 56708 turns and 10:56:24. 14:01:45 ah, so it's not really cheating either 14:02:14 !lg Bart 14:02:15 926. bart the Conjurer (L12 DECK of Vehumet), slain by a sixfirhy (created by a Zot trap) on Lair:7 on 2014-08-09 13:06:57, with 22628 points after 13303 turns and 1:21:29. 14:04:16 from crate re: cursed items: honestly if you want to keep sticky curses probably the best way is to make cursed items completely unremovable (maybe an exception for Ash characters) 14:05:00 Kind of a neat idea 14:05:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:05:19 I know he wouldn't like it, but I wonder about only allowing ?holy word to remove the curse of these 14:06:17 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:18 and his follow up regarding these perma-curse items: and cursed items would either have to be good (but not fantastic), or they could be very good but have drawbacks 14:06:35 I do think that sticky curses are pretty bad 14:07:19 also, re new hall of blades 14:07:23 "I encountered this with my last character. I don't know if it was luck or part of the design, but there were four uniques waiting inside (in order of appearance): Nessos, Asterion, Aizul, and Kirke." 14:08:08 That doesn't seem unusual given its size compared to the rest of the floor 14:08:22 i think ive had a 3 unique blade once 14:08:27 yeah, but it's kind of a problem with HoB being so big wrt the level 14:08:30 it's not great tbh 14:09:05 why is that a problem 14:09:26 the vault being enourmous and dwarfing the level 14:09:36 we try to do an encompass when that happens 14:09:43 and integrate whatever it is into the level more fully 14:10:03 you'll notice that the end vaults in e.g. snake are big but they don't generally overwhelm the surrounding level 14:10:36 ah, okay 14:10:45 I think hangedman commented that he doesn't necessarily want the disperse (ha) the weapons through the level, since he'd like it to be a bit more of an optional thing 14:10:45 I thought you were objecting to the uniques 14:10:53 yes 14:11:05 no, as magicpoints says it's just how the level gen will play out with a vault that big 14:11:07 also, I don't get the joke. 14:11:16 !kw dispersal 14:11:16 No keyword 'dispersal' 14:11:22 oh right, I deleted it? 14:11:25 !disperse 14:11:27 !kw disperse 14:11:28 No keyword 'disperse' 14:11:30 hrm 14:11:46 !kw disp 14:11:46 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 14:11:46 No keyword 'disp' 14:11:48 !kw forestdisp 14:11:48 Keyword: forestdisp => cv>=0.14-a start>=20140128 14:11:51 ah tw 14:12:02 PleasingFungus: that, which hanged figured prominently in :) 14:12:23 ahh 14:12:31 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 14:13:02 I've seen the term, just didn't jump to think about it 14:13:17 Well it was only an 8/10 joke, not my usual 10/10 14:13:45 I will have to consult with him re: any change though since I don't like incurring hangedman wrath 14:14:07 worse than the wrath of Grunt imo 14:14:48 why isn't hangedman wrath on ^ 14:15:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:22:34 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:28:11 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:46 !tell wheals in legoman727's game Hell (vestibule) was missing from both G listing as well as portal listing in ctrl-o, I'm told it's all your fault 14:29:46 gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know. 14:30:30 !lm legoman727 14:30:31 3124. [2014-10-03 19:28:01] legoman727 the Ninja (L26 SpEn of Dithmenos) left the Pits of Slime on turn 88341. (Slime:1) 14:30:43 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:31:00 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:29 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:23 !tell bhaak that was about grunt, do you know something about GruntHack we don't? ;) 14:37:23 wheals: OK, I'll let bhaak know. 14:37:56 !tell bhaak of course, he's not former compared to the vanilla nethack devteam, but _brent ross_ isn't a former crawl dev by that standard 14:37:57 wheals: OK, I'll let bhaak know. 14:38:13 someone do the query for the last brent ross commit 14:38:28 or was he pre source control 14:38:36 he was pre-dcss yeah 14:38:59 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:39:29 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40:24 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:42 but i think 4.1 was being made in 2005 14:41:48 which is after the last NH release 14:44:32 !log legoman 14:44:33 No games for legoman. 14:44:41 &dump legoman727 14:44:42 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/legoman727/legoman727.txt 14:45:15 ? 14:45:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:45:41 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:58 wow, jpeg... 14:46:31 Roctavian (L20 HEIE) (Elf:2) 14:46:49 !crashlog roctavian 14:46:50 1. Roctavian, XL20 HEIE, T:55110 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Roctavian/crash-Roctavian-20141003-194628.txt 14:47:51 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:47:56 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:11 i think these crashes are mostly because this is an ancient save 14:48:11 roctavian: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:48:25 yeah, I was kinda surprised by that jpeg email 14:48:39 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:12 !lm * cv=0.16-a crash s=place 14:49:13 108 milestones for * (cv=0.16-a crash): 44x Vaults:1, 19x Elf:2, 4x D:15, 4x Vaults:4, 3x D:10, 3x Zig:24, 3x Vaults:2, 2x D:1, 2x Depths:1, 2x Swamp:5, 2x Zig:5, 2x Crypt:1, D:9, Depths:2, Elf:3, Zot:4, Shoals:5, D:3, Swamp:4, Zig:13, Lair:6, Lair:5, D:4, Zig:3, Tomb:3, D:5, Lair:1, Crypt:2, Snake:5, D:7 14:51:07 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:51:58 vaults bug was funny 14:52:23 in fact i think my crash right now is the same as 8984 14:52:47 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:56:12 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 14:56:54 araganzar: if you cast conjure flames moths should be drawn to it 14:56:59 ^ this is a good fr 14:57:35 !log * hell 14:57:36 380. Jziggy, XL22 MiGl, T:69745: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jziggy/morgue-Jziggy-20140930-032018.txt 14:57:49 Branch 19 (Tartarus) is on Hell 14:57:52 i guess that's my fault 14:57:53 wheals: you fixed my bug report, not his 14:57:53 bhaak: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:58:09 bhaak: that was the previous commit; he then pointed out my fix was problematic 14:58:09 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:24 right after i said we need more bugs found by nethack fork developers IMO 14:58:49 -!- morphix0_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:49 ah 15:01:57 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:02:35 -!- DrKe is now known as drke 15:04:50 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:05:05 the joke, dissected 15:05:08 and yet, no humor found...? 15:07:18 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 15:07:40 ok, i've figured out why hell isn't showing up 15:07:48 haven't figured out how it used to tho 15:08:12 the best kind of bug 15:08:26 'it doesn't work now, but I don't know how it ever worked' 15:13:41 -!- Amnesthedactyl is now known as Amnesthesia|Else 15:15:38 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20:39 sounds like crawl to me... 15:22:44 ok, got it fixed, but still mystified as before :s 15:23:14 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:22 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:07 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:52 -!- Deviljho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:28 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:32:48 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:38:24 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:42:22 For hydraform, is there an indicator of your current number of heads besides the initial transform message? It could be important when fighting an enemy with a blade 15:43:06 yes 15:43:23 magicpoints: have you compiled the branch? 15:43:25 sprite, @, something else I think 15:43:51 Or are you actually sitting somehwere with a whiteboard, charting out hydraform contingencies 15:44:00 which actually sounds kind of fun 15:44:13 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:20 I'm sure that's exactly how PF designs 15:44:53 PleasingFungus: for superior console players, probably indicating heads in a number in parens for the status bar would be good 15:45:05 Hydra(7) etc. 15:45:05 Hydra(9) 15:45:07 ha 15:45:35 sure, I can do that 15:45:52 yeah, as I was listing those places I started to realize it maybe wasn't ideal for consolites 15:46:09 hm. Hydra(20) feels like a pretty large status light 15:46:23 Well it's not exceedingly common 15:46:27 We probably have worse ones 15:46:41 sure 15:46:54 Otherwise I'm not sure how you're going to list it in a convenient way 15:47:07 esp since even the tile doesn't show 20 heads 15:47:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:47:38 Hyd(20) if you wanted it shorter, I guess, but I don't think Hydra(20) is too bad 15:47:42 Dragoncall 15:47:47 yeah 15:48:03 that could be shortened, of course 15:48:08 Dcall 15:48:18 yeah or DrCall 15:48:18 Dragonc 15:48:18 Doctah Call 15:48:28 DGC 15:48:43 just D, for dragon 15:49:01 gammafunk: no I haven't compiled it, things just come to mind sometimes 15:51:15 does forlorn mutation interact with Xom? I know "faith does 15:51:53 wouldn't it make more sense for the wp) line? 15:52:01 I believe it does, yes 15:52:05 wheals: ah 15:52:07 good thought 15:52:09 yeah good point 15:52:12 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:52:14 currently it's "many teeth" 15:52:16 but it could be like 15:52:18 xom being LESS active when you are depressive? 15:52:19 "8 heads" 15:52:21 hm 15:52:24 that's boring 15:52:26 that seems very un-xom-ey 15:52:30 or Bite (x8) 15:53:57 Many teeth (8 heads) 15:54:19 Many teeth (8) 15:54:21 leaning toward wheals' 15:54:26 bite x8 15:54:28 hydras actually only have one tooth per head 15:55:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:45 yeah many teeth (8) sounds like you have 8 teeth 15:55:56 but just what is the hydra per-head tooth count 15:56:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:42 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:02:23 -!- derGrimnebulin has left ##crawl-dev 16:05:18 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:08 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:37 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:25 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:14:21 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:10 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:20:47 !source mon-beh.cc 16:20:47 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-beh.cc;hb=HEAD 16:21:03 hm that's not it 16:25:20 behv 16:25:21 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 16:27:55 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:06 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/Earthmental2.png fite me nerd 16:29:06 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 16:29:08 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:02 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:18 -!- Amnesthesia|Else is now known as Amnesthesia 16:33:04 certainly an improvement 16:33:38 there was a tile I was looking at and really hoping for an improved version, but now I can't remember 16:33:41 -!- grisamentum has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:43 -!- alefury has quit [Client Quit] 16:34:14 Seal (L27 MiFi) (Crypt:1) 16:34:52 You're probably thinking of WORMS. 16:35:35 the leech one would be one 16:36:01 also brain worm, original worm isn't bad 16:37:21 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38:03 http://crawl.chaosforge.org/images/a/a6/Earth_elemental.png wow 16:38:13 oh, right 16:38:16 it was Pearl Dragon 16:38:24 dragons in general look kinda argh 16:38:31 yes 16:38:33 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:36 and have long been on the ToDo list 16:39:04 The golden/iron dragon ones are worse than the fire/ice/storm ones, I think 16:39:31 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40:02 I kinda like the qsdragon sprite 16:40:42 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:41:22 the qs one is the most recent one of them 16:41:27 yeah I like qs as well 16:41:42 because the previous one was a weirdo metal seahorse dragon 16:41:43 the new drakes in general pretty good 16:42:24 the pearl dragon looks like something really weird happened to his head 16:47:15 -!- Stumpsv has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:38 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:53 christ, some people 16:52:25 ackack (L22 DrNe) (Crypt:1) 16:52:45 <|amethyst> hm 16:52:51 <|amethyst> crash in monster::base_armour_class 16:53:09 <|amethyst> define_zombie (mon=0xe29c58, ztype=MONS_CHIMERA, cs=MONS_SKELETON) 16:53:14 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:34 <|amethyst> yeah, &mchimera zombie crashes immediately 16:53:46 I honestly didn't think there could be chimera zombie 16:53:50 s 16:54:10 <|amethyst> maybe there shouldn't be 16:54:23 maybe chimeras shouldn't be ;) 16:54:25 but that's off-topic 16:54:45 -!- grisamentum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:06 imho someone should fix derived undead generation so we don't have spectral elephant slugs and emperor scorpion skeletons 16:55:21 -!- CacoS has quit [] 16:57:16 Bloax, is it just me or does ego qstaff icon look remarkably like a rod at first glance 16:57:53 probably just you 16:58:02 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:58:23 although it does use the color theme of a rod 16:58:27 yeah 16:58:31 the segments 16:58:49 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:58:49 once you look closely at it it's clearly a qstaff, but when I play tiles I'm scanning pretty quickly 16:59:27 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/worm.png well speaking of segments 16:59:58 why 17:00:02 why did you turn the worm into poop 17:00:06 lol 17:00:07 because i can :^) 17:00:08 brown is bad, bloax. 17:00:09 brown is bad. 17:00:16 http://crawl.chaosforge.org/images/5/52/Worm.png 17:00:36 looks more burnt sierra to me 17:01:26 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/poopworm.png 17:01:28 warning:biology! but when I read this I thought of crawl. http://mobile.geek.com/latest/254812-terrifying-giant-red-leech-swallows-much-larger-prey-whole?origref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F 17:01:56 -!- Thorii has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:08 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:50 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/poopworm2.png 17:02:50 there 17:02:51 perfect 17:03:23 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1631 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 17:03:23 %??curse_skull 17:03:28 mm, good url 17:03:31 now it looks like dried poop~ 17:03:32 heh, the torment spam from these now 17:03:34 is pretty amusing 17:03:38 since they have two spells 17:03:41 and are speed 15 17:03:50 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 10 (move: 70%) | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 25/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1257 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 17:03:50 %0.14?curse skull 17:04:00 wait wtf, their ac is *higher* now? 17:04:02 now with 50% more torment! 17:04:08 why. why 17:04:12 %git :/urse 17:04:13 07|amethyst02 * 0.15.1-3-g1b33baa: Don't crash on arena curses against team friendly (#9009) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b33baabc9c5 17:04:16 The hanged man! 17:04:17 %git :/kull 17:04:17 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-656-gd57bacc: Make curse skulls regularly mobile (and fast), give Murray Black Mark 10(2 weeks ago, 9 files, 119+ 107-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d57bacc8c544 17:04:19 he cometh 17:04:34 They get a 1/6 health cut, 35 (from 40) AC 17:04:34 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/worm2.png 17:04:43 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 13 | HP: 66 | AC/EV: 40/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1373 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 17:04:43 %0.15?curse skull 17:04:47 ahh 17:04:51 up and down the skulls go... 17:04:58 bobbing, perhaps 17:05:14 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 66 | AC/EV: 40/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1810 | Sp: summon undead, torment symbol | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 17:05:14 %0.10?curse skull 17:05:19 40 AC was a lot 17:05:23 -!- Thorii has quit [Client Quit] 17:05:25 I want to play some wizmode against the new curse skulls. I never really looked at mon-behv much to see how non-melee monsters treat the user. sounds like torment torment 17:05:38 yeah I was just watching araganzar 17:05:42 get tormented every other turn 17:06:27 he should have just run away-- ern 17:06:29 erm 17:06:46 well he was 17:07:36 when I was talking with the hanged man about these changes, I was vaguely worried about cutting ac/hp, but god I must not have realized he was making them speed 15 17:07:50 yeah maybe just move speed 15? 17:08:10 with only two spells that thign is more dangerous than a greater in a lot of situations 17:08:18 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 183-212 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6223 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.mana viper, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:08:18 %??greater_mummy 17:09:00 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:12 even with 17:09:14 that or maybe just speed 12 17:09:14 summon 17:09:16 emperor 17:09:17 scorpions 17:09:19 ?????? 17:09:35 _o - a buggy buggy jewellery (right hand) found on D:1 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9015 by Kyrris 17:09:35 the thing that really makes those dangerous is the fact that they nuke your hp and then they smite you 17:09:46 * gammafunk casts aura of abjuration and yawns. 17:09:47 gj 17:10:51 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:37 maybe someone should rebuild 17:12:09 %git 17:12:10 07ontoclasm02 * 0.16-a0-1029-gdfc7942: Arbalest tiles (and shadow fixes) 10(7 hours ago, 7 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfc794201638 17:12:15 bug fix? 17:12:17 ya 17:12:18 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:12:24 rebuild sounds like the devil's work 17:12:25 %git :/uggy 17:12:25 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-1027-g2f85e2a: Don't generate buggy buggy jewellery. 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f85e2a78419 17:12:27 ^ 17:12:39 PleasingFungus: you know how, right? 17:12:47 ya but I'm lazy 17:12:49 ??rebuild 17:12:49 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 17:12:59 oh, so it's a question of which of us is lazier 17:13:06 hrm, I'll prepare my arguments 17:13:07 it's you 17:13:08 I'm doing it 17:13:15 but i'm not lazy 17:13:21 \o/ I win 17:13:26 i am merely plagued by apathy 17:13:36 (rip in pieces activity) 17:13:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: thanks for mentioning the skeleton/zombie thing, I think I found it 17:13:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: do you happen to know a mantis number 17:13:48 clan is reporting lock contention 17:13:51 |amethyst: 1s 17:14:46 8457 is one of them 17:15:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1029-gdfc7942 (34) 17:15:22 <|amethyst> #8275 too it looks like 17:16:10 <|amethyst> hm, my change fixes 8275 but not 8457 17:16:36 also I wonder if we should close 7015 17:16:52 I keep running into it when searching for other things 17:17:34 <|amethyst> oh wait 17:17:38 <|amethyst> I bet it does fix it 17:18:02 <|amethyst> I was confused by the mermaid -> siren -> MfAv chain shift 17:18:15 <|amethyst> so now siren isn't no_gen_derived 17:18:19 you think 6070? 17:20:20 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:23 <|amethyst> most of that is already fixed 17:21:06 <|amethyst> and, yeah, it looks like this should fix the remaining part 17:21:36 !learn del gammafunk[$] 17:21:36 Deleted gammafunk[6/6]: You are a horrible, horrible dev Grunt: I do not dispute that one bit 17:21:43 ??gammafunk[$] 17:21:43 gammafunk[5/5]: <|amethyst> that's dumb 17:21:47 oh, ok 17:21:50 it wasn't deleting 17:21:59 (which I found amusing, given the entry) 17:22:15 why would you delete that?? 17:22:18 that is Important Information 17:22:25 It is a fact, but an obvious one 17:22:32 ha 17:22:32 I record only arcane knowledge 17:22:36 hi theTower! 17:22:39 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-1029-gdfc7942 (34) 17:22:49 slots 17:23:02 !source mon-spl.h 17:23:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-spl.h;hb=HEAD 17:23:08 ...two ls? 17:23:10 !source mon-spll.h 17:23:11 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-spll.h;hb=HEAD 17:23:31 ah, nice, yep 17:23:34 only one slot of torment 17:23:54 (line 719) 17:24:24 they could probably take a little more defense hits but I am not greatly concerned and they are quite limited 17:24:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:24:51 theTower: thoughts on... something about hall of blades vault placement 17:24:54 hm 17:25:13 I did basically do a straight port and the vault could be trimmed 17:25:24 yeah it's only certain layouts that the problem is acute 17:25:42 also have at least one more alternate layout in mind 17:27:01 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1631 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 17:27:01 %??curse_skull 17:27:23 it'd be rather nice to have, say, the hall be a level-divider in half (once shrunk) or whatever to make it less oppressive but the vault size limits kick in at that point 17:28:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1030-g631da9c: Don't allow chimera zombies etc. 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=631da9cea2a0 17:28:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1031-g5b9bb91: Ensure random zombies get compatible bases (#6070, #8275, #8457) 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b9bb91dd021 17:28:11 it runs right into your face for you to hit it isn't that nice 17:28:36 yeah and it melees with torment instead of greater mummy melee 17:28:40 they are pretty rare, so 17:29:13 otoh fill tomb:3 with curse skulls for extra fun 17:29:16 !vault the_teleporter 17:29:16 Couldn't find the_teleporter in the Crawl source tree 17:29:30 !source dat/des/branches/vaults.des 17:29:30 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/vaults.des;hb=HEAD 17:30:01 will Grunt's brand new spell frequency branch 17:30:06 we can solve problems like this better 17:30:12 %git :/elepor 17:30:12 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-898-g4a5b4a0: Allow using +Blink while able to teleport, disallow under -Tele. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a5b4a08cda3 17:30:21 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: grillatactics] 17:30:26 <|amethyst> One possible change I noted in my comment on 6070: zombie_picker::veto still checks mons_class_can_leave_corpse always 17:30:40 obviously curse skulls should be part of the corrupter set 17:30:47 you.... 17:31:04 those abjure like other summoners, don't they 17:31:16 <|amethyst> but it probably shouldn't if zombie_kind is MONS_SPECTRAL_THING 17:31:18 correct 17:31:48 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-1029-gdfc7942 (34) 17:32:01 I sent a bunch of X up against a black sun before I brought dcall into my toolkit 17:32:06 I didn't not like that 17:32:11 er 17:32:14 I did not like that 17:32:17 black suns are fun :) 17:32:27 X more like g 17:32:37 they are meant to be between 2 and 1, so 17:32:39 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32:50 would you prefer a fiend every time a black sun placed 17:32:59 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:04 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33:26 well warmongers were very easy, as where chaos champs, but black suns and corrupters were occasional problems 17:33:39 yes, "meant" 17:33:53 warmongers can be vaguely unpleasant for melee chars 17:33:55 I don't think blood saints did too much to me 17:33:57 expect the next batch in november 17:34:04 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:34:08 (sorry) 17:34:08 november, let's see 17:34:14 yeah HeSu for sure by then 17:34:19 :P 17:34:24 we might need to delay november though, for my DeSu 17:34:29 I'll have my people call you 17:34:49 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:34:58 is it not pretty hard to find me at times 17:35:16 this is true! 17:35:50 need to replace my public appearances with fifteen essays and a bot randomly spitting lines out 17:35:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:46 hm 17:38:50 1583 may be my current favorite bug 17:38:58 !bug 1583 17:38:58 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1583 17:39:33 it was a mutated cyclops 17:39:40 what betrayal of the best bug, 901 17:39:42 a diclops 17:39:58 brutal betrayal 17:39:59 haha 17:40:07 that's really good 17:40:25 "Fortunately I was able to take the stairs back down and then up after Death's Door expired" 17:40:35 victory dance? 17:41:00 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 17:41:06 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:10 can't be killed, even by winning 17:41:12 INCREDIBLE power 17:41:16 wow, I guess it generated an entire level 17:41:21 I wander if it spawned monsters 17:41:29 nega-rats 17:42:15 I remember being able to make it to floor zeros with... hmm. something about wizmode in tutorial? 17:42:20 due to overflow, I generates the level according to a megazig chaos floor on zig:27 17:42:38 quite the long while ago, doesn't work now 17:43:26 :( 17:43:49 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:54 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:55 Cheers 17:43:57 rip epicbug 17:43:59 hi 17:44:56 PleasingFungus: I marvel at your energy at preach^H^H^H^H^Htalking to the SA crowd, but I don't think you can convince them of anything :) Let them whine about "regen and ignore them. (Is what I suggest.) 17:45:00 Bloax: Hi! 17:45:23 dpeg: yeah I've about run out of energy 17:45:39 need to take a break and just go heads-down on hydraform 17:45:51 <|amethyst> Please stop reading SA before you quit the devteam :) 17:46:19 PleasingFungus: I just noticed with myself how I felt completelty drained after trying to explain stuff to folks at the forum for so long (generally in vain, of course). 17:46:33 <|amethyst> (if reading SA won't make you quit the devteam, keep at it, but you might want to register as a superhero) 17:46:33 -!- Oxybeles has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:46:54 I think it's completely okay to give motivations once. Afterwards, shrug off and leave them alone. Implement another nerf or so instead :) 17:47:02 |amethyst: +1 +1 +1 17:47:10 * theTower grumbles about the reading of other places 17:47:46 got into an argument in ##crawl and sa at the same time and now I'm ready to 17:47:47 idk 17:47:57 hopefully ready to exercise because I'm going off to do that. 17:48:03 !learn add superdev He who can keep coding stuff while participating at SomethingAwful. 17:48:04 superdev[1/1]: He who can keep coding stuff while participating at SomethingAwful. 17:48:23 hm 17:48:39 PleasingFungus: it is such a minor change, simply not worth the drivel. Players like to whine and bicker, simply because they can. To hell with them! 17:50:44 now if only we had a cogent, supportive, directed devteam to be able to prevent devs from melting down every few versions. 17:50:48 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 17:51:36 theTower makes a good point but: open source, no money, no strict leadership 17:51:37 "regen is actually causing a big argument? such a small change indeed 17:51:52 -!- schistosomatic is now known as schistosoma 17:52:15 D:2 centaurs for everyone, throughout October... should teach them a lesson 17:52:38 I almost never speak in the SA thread to avoid getting mad too, and I'm not even a dev 17:52:39 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:53:01 it's funny the things that do and don't cause complaining 17:53:06 There's also the fact that when you believe people have understand a thing or two, then someone new (occasionally old) will come out of the bushes and ask "but what's so bad about it even if it is tedious? I'd never do it, so why do you have to change it!?" (In the SA thread, BigFactory gladly fills this role for several pages now.) 17:53:26 PleasingFungus: absolutey. Time to remove another species. Or a god perhaps, this time? 17:53:46 I'm stil rooting for DK and He (after giving Mo weapon choice) 17:54:02 bigfactory is a very consistently bad poster and I should probably not reply to him 17:54:11 I have poor posting discipline :( 17:54:23 dpeg: don't encourage gammafunk! 17:54:26 learn from the mistakes of your elders -- don't 17:54:28 PleasingFungus: :) 17:54:31 :p 17:55:07 "Players, we only do this to get your love. Because you don't love us enough, we are sorry to have to remove Okawaru." 17:55:30 but my oscillating fan! 17:55:49 grampa no 17:56:33 when the osculating shit hits the oscillating fan!!! 17:56:40 ewww 17:57:04 oh, cool, I learned a word today 17:57:06 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:57:19 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:23 though, uh, it didn't really make much sense in context... 17:57:36 PleasingFungus: I see you're still posting... don't make me reply in SA -- it'll create a ruckus :) 17:57:47 PleasingFungus: no, but it sounds nice with oscillating 17:58:07 does it sound nice with shit? 17:58:33 you see, as a non-native speaker, these words are probably a lot more amusing to me than they are to you 18:00:37 * geekosaur just avoids those kinds of sites... 18:02:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20141002030202]] 18:03:03 he had enough!!! :) 18:03:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1032-geea055a: Remove a now-unused function. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eea055a8fb1c 18:10:15 oh, that reminds me 18:10:22 !define DJ_MP_RATE 18:10:31 now I know that was one of the source commands 18:10:41 or something like that... 18:10:50 !constant DJ_MP_RATE 18:10:51 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:11:07 <|amethyst> !source DJ_MP_RATE 18:11:09 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/defines.h;hb=HEAD#l237 18:11:41 <|amethyst> probably that should be in player.cc (and definitely inside #if TAG_MAJOR...) 18:11:43 anyhow, that should have a TAG 18:11:44 yeah 18:12:02 I swear, there was a source command for defines 18:12:10 !help !source 18:12:10 !source: Displays lines from the crawl source. The single argument should be either a filename (relative to the source directory) with an optional line range, or a string to search for as part of a function/#define/vault name. Prepend = to the string to force the search to match exactly. 18:12:30 <|amethyst> !cmd !source 18:12:30 Built-in: !source => https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/commands/source.pl 18:12:32 <|amethyst> !cmd !function 18:12:33 Built-in: !function => https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/commands/source.pl 18:12:52 <|amethyst> aha 18:12:57 <|amethyst> !cdefine DJ_MP_RATE 18:12:58 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/defines.h;hb=HEAD#l237 18:13:16 there we go 18:14:00 <|amethyst> Is it sad that I think the existence of this option would be controversial? http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-Add-ungendered-option.patch 18:14:16 <|amethyst> (I'd rather use singular they, but verb agreement is tricky) 18:15:01 it's not sad, it shows you have good knowledge of people 18:15:53 it is sad, but also sadly to be expected considering I've been vaguely following the latest gamasutragate 18:16:07 well while I'd never use that, I don't see how its existance as an option is contraversial 18:16:20 * geekosaur sometimes understands all too well where his midbrain is coming from re: people 18:17:13 when do gendered pronouns get used anyway? other than uniques and specific monsters like siren 18:17:30 <|amethyst> not sirens anymore, but queen bees etc still 18:17:43 <|amethyst> There's an XXX comment in that commit 18:18:03 <|amethyst> suggesting to use ungendered animate pronouns for souled monsters that are currently neuter 18:18:13 <|amethyst> because calling a human "it" is rude 18:18:18 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:18:40 <|amethyst> But I wouldn't want to use Spivak by default 18:18:43 random monster gender would be good 18:18:44 <|amethyst> singular they would be fine I think 18:18:55 we will murder them and devour their corpse, but let's not be rude about it 18:19:05 that's the good god way! 18:19:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:44 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:11 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1033-gb791db0: Fix whitespace. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b791db099221 18:28:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1034-g2d8d7c9: Prepare DJ_MP_RATE for slaughter (gammafunk) 10(77 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d8d7c91863b 18:29:41 <|amethyst> (maybe GRAND_AVATAR_DAMAGE should be in spl-summoning.cc too) 18:30:11 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:31:34 -!- Mazed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:51 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:32:50 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:01 haha, <3 commit message 18:33:53 yeah that define seemed out of place, but then again not exactly sure what's the scope of defines.h 18:34:03 I'd imagine melee_attack.cc uses it? 18:34:11 (the grand avatar define) 18:34:46 I have no idea what it is, actually; it's name sounds very suspicious since that's usually something for mon-data.h 18:36:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:41 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:37:22 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:38:37 ontoclasm: hi 18:38:56 i see you're https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/worm2.png ing your way in 18:39:12 ontoclasm I have a very very serious complaint about one of the new tiles 18:39:16 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it's actually the amount of damage needed to guarantee triggering grand avatar 18:39:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and used only in trigger_grand_avatar 18:39:33 ah, ok 18:40:07 those also have a bug (unrelated) where they follow the player out of los of any monster with the enchant, and hence sit there helpless 18:40:29 <|amethyst> monster AI code yay 18:40:53 I think that will be easy to fix since Grunt has already short-circuited the relevant AI code for their movement 18:40:57 ??gammafunk 18:40:57 gammafunk[1/5]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, mons_glyph player, tile_player_tile can use any tile and set offsets, moon wizlab, depths encompass 18:41:23 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:23 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/$/, grand avatar movement bug/ 18:41:24 gammafunk[1/5]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, mons_glyph player, tile_player_tile can use any tile and set offsets, moon wizlab, depths encompass, grand avatar movement bug 18:42:18 Brannock: huh 18:42:18 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:42:19 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/tile_player[^,]+, // 18:42:19 gammafunk[1/5]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, mons_glyph player, moon wizlab, depths encompass, grand avatar movement bug 18:42:22 !messages 18:42:22 (1/1) Bloax said (2h 13m 16s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/Earthmental2.png fite me nerd 18:42:46 mmm, regexp 18:42:49 ontoclasm, ego quarterstaff icon looks remarkably like a rod until you look closely at it, bloax suggests it's because of the color scheme 18:42:59 new icons look great overall other than that 18:43:02 mm 18:43:32 good point 18:43:44 lemme take aswing at it 18:43:56 tome of destruction uses the regular book tiles, right? 18:44:04 I'm surprised it doesn't have its own tile a la other evokables 18:44:04 yeah, it shouldn't 18:44:13 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/mons_glyph player/make monster color inherit when possible/ 18:44:13 gammafunk[1/5]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, make monster color inherit when possible, moon wizlab, depths encompass, grand avatar movement bug 18:44:25 i've been putting off redoing book tiles (they're all pretty bad) 18:44:37 but when i do i'll be sure to make the tome of destruction unique-looking 18:44:48 ontoclasm: I loved picking up the plaid colored Book of Death or Necronomicon 18:45:05 hah 18:45:19 undead servants are poor evaluators of fashion taste 18:45:20 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:45:20 i love the glorious rainbow metal book 18:45:25 ah, that tile is still in 18:45:43 how does chei get all the @?? info? 18:45:50 the rainbow metal book tile is kind of cool to me, since it's pretty subtle 18:45:52 <|amethyst> ??monster 18:45:52 monsters[1/4]: The most up-to-date code for %?? and %? can be found at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git , or clone from http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git , branch 'bleeding-edge-crawl'. 18:45:56 <|amethyst> johnstein: ^^ 18:46:01 <|amethyst> johnstein: it's linked against crawl 18:46:05 oh awesome 18:46:07 <|amethyst> johnstein: but has plenty of its own hacks 18:46:16 <|amethyst> and the occasional hardcoding 18:46:18 I want to do some data mining thing 18:46:21 things 18:46:34 but it'd be awesome if we had like gnarly books with weird textures, like we do for rings/amulets 18:46:39 instead of just flat colors 18:46:53 <|amethyst> glittering hairy book 18:46:57 I say, being barely able to draw Snoopy 18:47:04 yeah 18:47:17 undulating book 18:47:26 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 16-38 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 119 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:47:26 %?ogre 18:47:29 a version of the hammer ring for books somehow 18:47:35 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 16-38 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 119 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:47:35 %??ogre 18:47:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47:43 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2 18:47:43 <|amethyst> %?-version 18:47:47 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-1004-gfce9e1a 18:47:47 <|amethyst> %??-version 18:47:50 ah ok 18:47:59 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12.3 18:47:59 <|amethyst> %0.12?-version 18:48:09 <|amethyst> (goes back to 0.9) 18:48:10 adder (09S) | Spd: 13 (swim: 60%) | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 1/15 | Dam: 508(poison:4-8) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | XP: 13 | Sz: little | Int: reptile. 18:48:10 %0.15?adder 18:48:14 nice 18:48:16 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1631 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 18:48:16 %??curse skull 18:48:35 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 13 | HP: 66 | AC/EV: 40/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1373 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 18:48:35 %0.15?curse skull 18:48:50 <|amethyst> note that tweaks and bug fixes are not always (or even usually) backported to older versions 18:48:51 awesome 18:48:52 Pit Fiend (071) | Spd: 8 | HD: 19 | HP: 98-145 | AC/EV: 17/5 | Dam: 28, 21, 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(304), 05hellfire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4492 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), melee, torment symbol | Sz: Large | Int: high. 18:48:52 %0.10?pit fiend 18:48:55 <|amethyst> so %0.14?lost soul 18:48:57 ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 611: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) 18:48:57 <|amethyst> %0.14?lost soul 18:49:07 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:49:18 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 18:49:29 Pit Fiend (071) | Speed: 8 | HD: 19 | Health: 99-148 | AC/EV: 17/5 | Damage: 28, 21, 21 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(304), 05hellfire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4470 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), melee, torment symbol. 18:49:29 <|amethyst> %0.9?pit fiend 18:49:34 mmm, pit fiends 18:49:37 <|amethyst> so 0.9 doesn't have size and int for example 18:50:28 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:15 roctavian: are you around? 18:52:32 sorta yes hi 18:52:48 heya 18:52:55 what are your thoughts on 2x/3x swords? 18:52:56 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:53:16 i've been mentally constructing tile ideas 18:53:19 have you considered keeping the blades merged 18:53:20 i gather you were wanting to make at least some of them 18:53:34 i wasn't sure if you were going to do some or what? 18:53:34 so that is is just a colossal multi-layer sword 18:53:39 it is just* 18:53:50 i'll gladly make whichever ones you guys don't want to 18:54:03 instead of the disgusting pitchfork/trident swords they were 18:54:22 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-1035-g82be2f0: Make ego qstaves less rod-like (Brannock) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82be2f0d4ae4 18:54:24 i figured i'd hold off and see what you wanted 18:54:46 yeah that fixes the problem entirely 18:54:47 thanks 18:54:48 Bloax: i'd probably make them vaguely "one thick sword sliced into pieces" 18:54:55 yes 18:55:18 Brannock: thanks for pointing it out 18:55:21 <|amethyst> triple sword unrand:gilette_mach_3 18:55:30 mm 18:55:35 a very close shave 18:56:40 i'll maybe do the randart triple to start with 18:57:23 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds] 18:58:02 Bloax: worm looks disgusting (i.e. great) 18:58:42 what about the flexing muscle elemental 18:59:23 !lg araganzar 18:59:23 2080. araganzar the Executioner (L27 HOGl of Qazlal), slain by a shambling mangrove (kmap: grunt_abyss_rune_twisted_forest) on Abyss:1 on 2014-10-03 23:52:35, with 580738 points after 73568 turns and 6:57:45. 18:59:48 !tell bh I guess you're doing god's work !lg araganzar HOGl place=abyss 18:59:48 gammafunk: OK, I'll let bh know. 19:00:03 !tell grunt I guess you're not doing god's work !lg araganzar HOGl place=abyss 19:00:03 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 19:01:44 Bloax: that looks good too, though i don't really like that elementals look like people since they are explicitly not humanoid in shape 19:02:02 that's why i made the weird snake-with-a-mask ones i gave up on before 19:02:05 well best not have it look like ass until you get to making them not humanoid 19:02:09 true 19:02:21 speaking of which 19:02:27 mite wanna get the scalemail dolls in too 19:02:36 i did i think 19:02:37 (mites look kinda bad too, but whatever) 19:02:53 !! 19:02:56 yes, they're in 19:03:11 completely missed that 19:03:14 i messed with them a bit since they didn't fit certain races 19:03:18 (god damn commitstorms there days) 19:03:24 (these*) 19:03:31 (christ it's late) 19:04:32 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-1036-g124ab71: Fix a shadow 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=124ab71d4ef7 19:05:48 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:58 -!- rockygargoyl has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:33 is there a way to get wrath from a specific god on wiz mode when not worshipping it? 19:08:47 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 19:09:24 rockygargoyl: Yes 19:09:24 reaverb: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:09:31 cntrl-w IIRC 19:09:42 <|amethyst> &W is your god 19:09:48 ctrl w will get the wrath of the god I am worshipping 19:10:01 I want to get the wrath of jiyva while worshipping zin 19:10:06 without having to wait 19:10:11 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:10:28 &cwrath will give me a random god's wrath 19:12:08 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:41 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:49 <|amethyst> rockygargoyl: I guess this is 0.15? 19:14:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:58 0.16 19:16:29 <|amethyst> oh, I was thinking it moved or something 19:16:32 <|amethyst> because you said ctrl-w 19:16:32 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:17:09 reaver probably meant &W 19:18:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:19:25 &W will force the god you're worshipping deal his wrath on you 19:24:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:57 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 19:26:31 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:45 !abyss dpeg 19:26:46 bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:26:46 bh casts a spell. dpeg is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:26:56 once we have combining languages 19:27:02 we can just implement spivak as one of them 19:27:07 and the problem will be solved :) 19:27:10 !lg araganzar HOGl place=abyss 19:27:11 1. araganzar the Executioner (L27 HOGl of Qazlal), slain by a shambling mangrove (kmap: grunt_abyss_rune_twisted_forest) on Abyss:1 on 2014-10-03 23:52:35, with 580738 points after 73568 turns and 6:57:45. 19:27:35 !tell infiniplex What on earth is a hypervault? 19:27:36 bh: OK, I'll let infiniplex know. 19:27:56 !lg araganzar HOGl place=abyss -log 19:27:57 1. araganzar, XL27 HOGl, T:73568: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/araganzar/morgue-araganzar-20141003-235235.txt 19:28:07 he had fairly bad defenses most of the game 19:28:15 but the treant there was pretty funny 19:28:25 gammafunk: why was there a rune vault on Abyss 1? 19:28:37 there wasn't 19:28:45 I forget why he exited and re-entered 19:29:08 guess he was dying on abyss:4 19:29:16 huh. 19:29:18 back later 19:29:19 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 19:31:38 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:09 hm 19:32:16 how do people feel about removing wizardry stacking 19:32:46 I approve, but I'd like to see veh still stack with a ring/staff 19:33:17 vehumet already works completely differently from wizardry 19:33:23 !source _apply_spellcasting_success_boosts 19:33:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l285 19:33:39 that explains why it already stacks better 19:33:42 ya 19:34:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:34:44 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:35:21 PleasingFungus: Depends on what you mean by "wizardy stacking". Best bonus? 19:35:32 er 19:35:47 there's no "best" 19:36:02 wizardry is interchangeable these days, I'm 99% sure 19:36:05 per the function I linked 19:36:12 ring and staff are the same currently, yes 19:36:22 veh is as mentioned quite different 19:36:30 Ah, nevermind then. 19:36:49 right now wizrings & the staff stack, but very very weakly 19:36:53 PleasingFungus: my main reason for not removing stacking of rings/staves when I last touched that code was that it seems weird to have both items exist if they aren't going to stack 19:36:59 PleasingFungus: it isn't that weak honestly 19:37:09 any weirder than rP rings and cloaks? 19:37:09 the numbers are deceptive if you don't know how spell fail code works 19:37:40 rchandra: yes, the main purpose of a cloak is to provide AC 19:37:47 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:38:06 PleasingFungus: anyway I guess I'm saying that I'm fine with removing stacking but I'd like to remove one of the two items in that case 19:38:24 it's not quite as weak as I remembered 19:38:35 you're right 19:38:58 I was reminded by 5291 but obviously that ticket was filed a while ago... 19:39:13 heh, and you have a 2.5-year-old comment there 19:39:20 !bug 5291 19:39:21 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5291 19:39:23 Anyway, on thinking about things further I think that wizardry just shouldn't stack at all. I'd also suggest making it 75% instead of 74% (wizardry is rather strong so it can take the nerf) 19:40:06 one of the reasons I was thinking about this was so that we could add it to the % screen 19:40:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:40:32 PleasingFungus: uh, it is already 75% 19:40:36 that changed a while back 19:40:38 there are a lot of other wizardry-like and wiz- things though 19:40:38 I know 19:40:43 oh 19:40:46 was that a quote 19:40:47 I was quoting you since i thought it was a funny comment 19:40:48 yes 19:40:49 haha 19:41:12 like could you wear 2 rings of wiz along with High Council? 19:41:33 I'm not clear on how high council is implemented 19:41:57 ah 19:42:02 it is implemented completely separately, like wild magic 19:42:05 yes 19:42:07 I just found it 19:42:14 !source spl-cast.cc:379 19:42:14 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l379 19:42:21 shortly before wiz is applied 19:42:55 how bizarre, a flat chance increase 19:43:18 it isn't really a flat chance increase 19:43:19 except that might not be a real chance 19:43:20 and antiwiz mutation is less change than placid/wild/highcouncil 19:43:25 these names are fascinating. 19:43:32 quick question, what do i add to the .rc to get the game to pause on certain creatures coming into view 19:43:38 namely mutators 19:43:46 it's like stop += right? 19:44:07 PleasingFungus: basically everything in spell_fail that claims to be "chance" or "chance2" is lying 19:44:08 force_more +=.*neqoxec.*comes into view. 19:44:10 something like that 19:44:19 elliptic: 1learn add crawlcode 19:44:29 actually 19:44:31 yeah, if we'd like to remove one of |wiz or =wiz if there's no stacking, I'm not sure we should remove that stacking 19:44:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:46 because |wiz is a very nice item, as is =wiz 19:45:17 and the stacking is pretty nice too, tbh 19:45:26 yeah after poking at it I'm not sure anymore either 19:45:40 might close 5291 instead 19:45:46 actually, I'm certainly gonna do that 19:45:51 since it's wrong regardless 19:45:55 !rng close close 19:45:55 The RNG chooses: close. 19:46:02 goodrng 19:46:02 rng decided 19:46:15 all hail rng 19:46:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:24 ugh, I messed up some of my doxygen comments because I was imitating other wrong doxy comments 19:47:25 ugh 19:47:28 anyone have any thoughts about cloak of rcorr, or something like that? 19:47:39 yes please 19:47:45 "something like that" could be nice, but rcorr on its own (still) isn't strong enough 19:47:47 I hear simmarine has been begging for it 19:47:47 I think 19:47:57 have i 19:48:04 I know there have been requests 19:48:44 some sort of new cloak ego would be nice. currently its mostly mr or convenient rpois if you find it 19:48:45 I'd not mind an item that gives a nudge to mp regen rate either, maybe a cloak, but that's...well frankly it's totally unrelated 19:49:00 robe of power 19:49:05 goes over your cloak slot 19:49:11 heh 19:49:21 cloak of rCorr sounds okay to me, certainly not exciting though 19:49:22 there's also darkness cloak, but that just encourages you to play a game you might not be in the mood for 19:49:24 some kind of 80s metal-wizard 19:49:30 with david bowie hair 19:49:38 darkness is very good 19:49:40 in general we could use more cloak/gloves egoes 19:49:43 sure 19:49:45 and boots 19:49:47 yep 19:49:56 we could stand to lose jump boots 19:50:10 time for scroll of brand weapon to become scroll of brand item? 19:50:16 er 19:50:16 egos first 19:50:18 oh, I've fantasized about that 19:50:21 gammafunk: wait, weren't you the one who implemented those? :P 19:50:24 yes 19:50:27 elliptic: no it was PleasingFungus 19:50:34 actually it was 19:50:35 gammafungus 19:50:37 ...bcadren 19:50:40 !!! 19:50:48 this is so confusing 19:50:51 I guess, being on record as being against abilities you always forget to use, I should be against jumpboots 19:50:52 bcadren is also going to implement brand item 19:50:54 anyway +1 for removing jumpboots 19:51:01 idk 19:51:06 I sort of like them anyway 19:51:20 but I guess I wouldn't be completely heartbroken if they vanished 19:51:36 yeah I like what shadowstep is 19:51:39 boots of kicking. lets you kick walls 19:51:52 I guess cats can keep jump or w/e, but tbh they could lose it as well and I'd be fine 19:51:58 noooooo 19:51:58 fur cloak gives rc+ but rf- !! 19:52:00 it is a Cat Thing 19:52:01 shadowstep and ru jump thing both work better I think 19:52:06 (though making it more unique to cats is good!) 19:52:06 right 19:52:12 oh 19:52:14 PleasingFungus: other things can go on cats! 19:52:19 -!- Stumpsv has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:52:19 you were talking about making it not be blocked by large creatures 19:52:23 which I think would be a small & good change 19:52:23 though ru jump is rather OP, or at least it was when I used it last 19:52:45 well, it's supposed to be 19:52:52 it's powered by player suffering and bad decisions 19:52:54 yeah, I know, that is ru's thing :P 19:53:39 would +blink boots be out of the question 19:53:45 my least favourite thing about Ru has been living with one bad sac choice on a character that I otherwise quite like, but that's a feature 19:54:05 +blink boots sound worse than jumpboots 19:54:09 worse how? 19:54:12 both in terms of power & design 19:54:17 +blink boots sound better than jumpboots to me 19:54:22 both in terms of power & design 19:54:24 yeah they kind of do really 19:54:27 feh! 19:54:30 but I still don't like the idea that much 19:54:44 it's pretty boring, +blink, esp sinnce you can already get that 19:54:46 since it makes +blink randarts less exciting 19:54:47 but it's a nice thing to have 19:54:50 and also that 19:54:54 catjump is good, boots are meh 19:55:03 cloak of insulation 19:55:21 rElec? 19:55:21 Well maybe I'll just remove the jump boots, and change the blocked from giant/flying thing for cats 19:55:35 yes 19:55:37 and I can remove it from cats another day when PleasingFungus is sick 19:55:57 you are a devil and a trickster. 19:56:03 possibly a demon, idk. 19:56:09 gammafunk (024) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-52 | AC/EV: 14/10 | Dam: 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 305 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:56:09 %??blue devil name:gammafunk 19:56:11 these things are so inconsistent... 19:56:13 rElec not being given by any non-randart non-SDA equipment is sort of a thing 19:56:20 I don't care about that as much as I used to though 19:56:27 elliptic: |air 19:56:35 okay right but who uses that :P 19:56:41 oh 19:56:43 i have used air and poison for resistances before! 19:56:44 .....me.... 19:56:45 I read that as lair and was very confused 19:56:49 (I have too) 19:56:50 I've used that for disc of storms a few times 19:56:57 PleasingFungus: hide in lair from the titan! 19:56:59 I always forget about | resists 19:56:59 and for air spells/melee all the time :) 19:57:10 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:12 especially good with CBL 19:57:37 hm 19:57:42 anyway I could definitely see cloak of rElec being a thing, especially if it is a fairly rare ego 19:57:45 does anyone want to bikeshed 19:58:10 I'm trying to decide the best way to display "MR (immune)" in monster descriptions 19:58:22 MR(\infinity) 19:58:25 between that, "MR IMMUNE", "MR !!!!!!", and such 19:58:29 MR ***** 19:58:31 axe of woe uses infinity 19:58:31 oo 19:58:35 so you can print that symbol 19:58:40 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1037-g681446f: Allow specifying a default to choose_god. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 19+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=681446f8966d 19:58:40 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1038-g8d4efe8: Prompt for a god with &W(rath). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d4efe886bd5 19:58:42 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:58:42 also oo 19:58:48 this isn't bikeshedding but can we really fix the thing where MR (immune) gives protection from lots of stuff that doesn't normally check MR 19:58:52 PleasingFungus: well I think you'd just use a propper ininfity 19:58:57 <|amethyst> rockygargoyl: there you go 19:59:10 elliptic: I was vaguely thinking about that 19:59:13 i was going to use vuln today but then i remembered you cant do that to mr-immune targets 19:59:14 doing this by making that stuff check MR normally is acceptable 19:59:35 simmarine: well that at least makes sense (since half of infinity is infinity) 19:59:52 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 19:59:55 well you used to be able to vuln some of those monsters a long time ago! 20:00:17 ...why do I need to use three backslashes to grep for a backslash 20:00:32 it's just pretty silly that stuff like confusing touch just checks HD and holiness normally but then doesn't work on MR (immune) stuff 20:01:33 hd-checking stuff is generally really fishy 20:01:49 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 20:02:37 thanks amethyst!! 20:02:43 anyone know the list of such things (aside from confusing touch)? 20:03:00 someone made a list of things that hd affects, in gdd 20:03:06 so presumably this would be a subset 20:03:10 metabolic englaciation, alistairs?, meph 20:03:11 might've been patashu 20:03:14 patashu did this iirc 20:03:17 dazzlespray 20:03:31 I can find that list 20:03:35 if you guys want 20:03:36 oh, please 20:03:55 gimme a min 20:03:55 I was starting to look but it might be tricky to find 20:05:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: grepping how (re backslash) 20:05:32 once for bash, once for grep 20:05:57 ah, thanks, Zannick 20:05:59 <|amethyst> you'd really want four probably 20:05:59 I forgot about bash 20:06:14 <|amethyst> because three might not work right depending on what follows 20:06:22 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:06:23 <|amethyst> (and on how you're quoting) 20:06:38 yeah I made the list 20:06:42 it's in my posts and in GDD 20:06:44 <|amethyst> I usually use single quotes with grep so I only need \\ 20:06:45 so you can do a tavern search 20:06:56 I also forgot about single quotes 20:06:57 single quotes is how to use bash right :P 20:07:13 hm. MR ∞ looks kinda lonely 20:07:14 forgot...about....single quotes....!!! 20:07:19 <|amethyst> Zannick: history expansion inside quotes pisses me off 20:07:20 MR ∞∞∞∞∞∞ looks dumb 20:07:25 haha 20:07:29 it's very grunt 20:07:34 idk, I guess I'll just keep it simple 20:07:40 <|amethyst> Zannick: or rather, that backslashing the ! doesn't work right 20:07:41 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12997&p=181800&hilit=+dazzling+spray#p181800 20:07:43 ...history expansion? 20:07:45 found it 20:07:53 rockygargoyl: thank you! 20:07:57 <|amethyst> $ echo "foo!bar" 20:07:57 <|amethyst> bash: !bar": event not found 20:08:00 no problem 20:08:05 <|amethyst> $ echo "foo\!bar" 20:08:05 <|amethyst> foo\!bar 20:08:32 ...sadly, Patashu seems to have been rather confused about which spells were relevant 20:08:33 <|amethyst> The latter is required by Posix, but the first is disallowed by Posix so IMO that's kind of a specious argument 20:08:50 Ah Well 20:09:20 posix: required by posix, disallowed by posix. posix. 20:09:34 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:10:09 what are you looking for, exactly? 20:10:26 <|amethyst> Zannick: I should probably just shopt it away (that disables ! outside quotes, too; but I tend to use ctrl-r anyway) 20:10:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:12:00 i just use single quotes to avoid surprises 20:12:19 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:37 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1039-gf5c13da: Display monster magic immunity again 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5c13da230e3 20:14:06 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:14:40 huh 20:14:54 look at the variable survey_says in can_ingest (food.cc:1550) 20:14:58 and the places it's used 20:17:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hasn't been actually used since sometime in 0.4 trunk 20:17:27 niiiice 20:17:46 <|amethyst> also 20:17:55 <|amethyst> 673bdae7 trunk/source/food.cc (peterb12 2005-07-21 02:34:44 +0000 1553) bool survey_says = false; 20:18:14 <|amethyst> %git 673bdae7 20:18:21 07peterb1202 * 673bdae75485: Initial revision 10(9 years ago, 183 files, 153322+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=673bdae75485 20:18:25 ha! 20:18:32 niiice 20:18:43 <|amethyst> It's not often that you find a whole line of code that goes back that far without any cross-file moves or anything 20:18:55 tbh I didn't realized food.cc was that old 20:21:04 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:22:39 Given the code quality food.cc I don't find it going back to the initial revision suprising :D 20:22:54 how can you tell it apart from the rest of the codebase...? 20:23:11 tbqh, my least favorite piece of crawl code is in a relatively recent file (though the code itself is old) 20:23:25 !source blink 20:23:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/fineff.cc;hb=HEAD#l63 20:23:57 I've bounced off this damn thing repeatedly, and there are comments in mantis suggesting that kb did the same, years ago 20:24:08 oh, and I know nrook did at some point 20:24:25 <|amethyst> !source spl-transloc.cc:111 20:24:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-transloc.cc;hb=HEAD#l111 20:24:27 <|amethyst> this one? 20:24:32 ugh 20:24:34 yes, sorry 20:24:42 <|amethyst> sequell should be the one apologising 20:24:46 ha 20:24:46 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:25:26 yeah, what's funny, looking at that 20:25:35 it was brought to my attention that there exists a malarious siren and sickly merfolk avatar. so fr switch the adjectives around to fit! 20:25:45 is I can see stuff that's copied in the targetter I copied from for jump 20:25:54 at least I don't think I copied that directly, but maybe I did 20:25:56 augh 20:26:07 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:26:10 yeah that code was I think some of the first crawl code I tried to poke at 20:26:15 when I was making my frogman race 20:26:23 I can't imagine why I kept trying after that 20:26:24 I rember fussing with that block forever to get things right, hated it 20:26:44 fr: summon octopode crusher 20:26:59 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1040-gbd6b26b: Improve sewer merfolk adjectives (simmarine) 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd6b26bf1252 20:27:01 I'm here already 20:27:07 :DDD 20:27:11 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:27:13 |amethyst: you missed a spot :) 20:27:24 though that was chrisoelmueller who pointed it out 20:28:02 so proper credit should go to him :P 20:28:08 |amethyst: thanks, I forgot I do that -- it was suggested a few days ago 20:28:09 oh. you should have said, that, then, so we could have ignored it 20:28:12 :p 20:28:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1041-g50ba60a: Fix a sickly description 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50ba60a47300 20:29:18 seems like the malarious merfolk avatar needs a description too? 20:29:21 idk what's up there 20:29:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's under "sickly siren" 20:30:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (there are two now) 20:30:23 hm 20:30:26 that seems not ideal 20:30:26 PleasingFungus: are my days of watching this tm use STS coming to an end 20:30:51 gammafunk: I am not a big fan of STS's design but its theme is so great 20:31:00 idk 20:31:10 well in practice it works nicely enough, but yeah I guess it could be better 20:31:19 it's power level is good for when it's needed, at least 20:31:21 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:31:29 it's certainly powerful enough, yes! 20:31:36 oldsummoning tends to be that :) 20:31:51 did you know there are still people who are angry about summoning nerfs? 20:32:01 there's a guy who does crawl video LPs, of all things 20:32:04 it's not quite old summoning 20:32:40 |amethyst: do you want to fix the descriptions? I"m a little perplexed 20:32:40 Yeah I'm sure there are people mad about losing brokenly powerful things 20:32:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: sure 20:33:00 ty 20:33:22 PleasingFungus: Are you working on that MR change elliptic was talking about? 20:33:53 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:00 no 20:34:21 sorry, didn't realize I might've implied it 20:35:02 !learn edit gammafunk s/$/, make HD-or-other-checking things sane wrt MR-immune/ 20:35:03 Use: !learn edit gammafunk[NUM] s/// 20:35:13 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/$/, make HD-or-other-checking things sane wrt MR-immune/ 20:35:13 gammafunk[1/5]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, make monster color inherit when possible, moon wizlab, depths encompass, grand avatar movement bug, make HD-or-other-checking things sane wrt MR-immune 20:35:21 -!- tlocalhos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:32 -!- eoc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:36:43 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:33 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:37:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1042-g330784f: Fix a malarious description. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=330784f24532 20:41:16 there's a suggestion that autoexplore should visit stairs, for Correct Anti-Mimic Play. 20:42:49 what is sts? 20:43:00 <|amethyst> rockygargoyl: Sticks to Snakes 20:43:14 ??sts 20:43:14 I don't have a page labeled sts in my learndb. Did you mean: s2s, ss, st, str, tss. 20:43:20 ah 20:43:23 thanks 20:43:24 !learn add sts See {s2s} 20:43:25 sts[1/1]: See {s2s} 20:43:26 ??sts 20:43:26 sticks to snakes[1/2]: Turns wielded arrows and javelins into various snakes. Higher spell power gives nastier snakes. 20:43:43 <|amethyst> ??sts[2] 20:43:43 sticks to snakes[2/2]: Makes you look like Moses. 20:43:47 <|amethyst> oh, nice 20:44:00 <|amethyst> I didn't realise it could pass the [] across two links 20:44:07 I wasn't sure until I tried! 20:46:26 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:43 -!- observer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:36 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 20:51:48 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:24 gifting rods to orcs is something too op to be implemented? 20:56:57 doesn't sound very beogh 20:58:31 well, you can't gift mercenaries and undead anymore 20:58:52 it *would* work, but I think it would be too powerful 20:59:15 what do you think? 20:59:16 it's always possible to get lucky and stumble into an orc who's picked up a rod before being recreited 20:59:19 *recruited 20:59:28 very, very lucky 21:00:03 really? can any non-minotaur creatures be generated with a rod? 21:00:19 <|amethyst> monsters can pick up weapons, including rods, as long as you haven't seen the item 21:00:28 cool 21:00:33 <|amethyst> well, some monsters 21:00:35 <|amethyst> orcs among them 21:00:55 I thought only minotaurs could use them, until I tried that on wizmode 21:01:12 <|amethyst> it's just that minotaurs are particularly likely to have access to them 21:01:36 rods are very rare outside labs, yeah 21:01:40 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:42 another thing that IMO would be interesting, is being able to gift amulets of rage 21:01:52 heh 21:01:54 I kind of like that 21:02:26 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:41 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1043-gfd097b2: Improve a wizmode message and comment. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd097b24136e 21:17:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:49 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:17:49 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:48 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:27 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:58 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:29:24 I was looking over my dump because of the Xom messages and noticed this: 21:29:26 68307 | Depths:4 | XOM: polymorph spriggan air mage -> spriggan air mage 21:29:32 is this intended behavior or did I get lucky with rng? 21:31:24 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:34:15 hm 21:34:19 looks like mon poly can fail 21:34:23 and xom poly doesn't account for that 21:34:48 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:38 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:38:52 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:39:45 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:44:34 -!- hauzer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:44:35 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:57:39 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:39 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 21:57:39 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 21:59:01 -!- Amy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:59:03 is there a definite way to figure out (in numbers) how much damage you deal? 21:59:15 no 21:59:22 Taraiph: There's a fightsim in wizmode. 21:59:43 ??fsim 21:59:43 fsim[1/1]: A fight simulator in wizmode, accessible with &f and &F. 21:59:50 also 21:59:53 !! 21:59:58 yes 22:00:04 Taraiph: if you compile in debug mode, yes :) 22:00:15 or use something to look at the game's memory 22:00:22 !!!! 22:00:24 buh 22:00:43 I would love a way to be able to implement it in not-memory-debug mode 22:00:47 or wiz mode 22:00:47 The exact numbers don't matter too much though. 22:01:02 I find the numbers to be satisfying, but that's me 22:01:22 crawl is not the game for people who like exact numbers 22:01:36 maybe I should make my OWN fork, with damage numbers and decent god gifts 22:01:50 iirc sandman did this 22:02:09 Taraiph: We'd be happy to have a DCSS fork :D 22:02:25 he can see things like gift timeout, exact damage 22:02:47 Too bad I suck at programming and my fork would shit massive bricks all over the DCSS community 22:03:32 Taraiph: Have you seen crawlcode? 22:03:42 being good at programming is no requirement for writing dcss code 22:03:55 arguably it takes a good programmer to be able to comprehend dcss code 22:03:58 ...but, again, that's no requirement 22:04:01 Taraiph: https://twitter.com/crawlcode 22:04:18 what's a good way to injure myself in wizmode 22:04:21 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:27 ctrl-h or something 22:04:30 sets your hp to 1 22:04:37 oh 22:04:38 x and that? 22:04:42 there's a command for it 22:04:44 I did &zsymbol of torment 22:04:49 sure that too 22:04:57 but there's an x command to heal and set hp to 1 22:05:23 x and , 22:05:31 also I tried hydra form and 22:05:35 you can starve 22:05:35 x - point at yourself and then , 22:05:36 to death 22:05:43 hydra form? 22:05:44 I think I'm removing the hugner 22:05:47 *hunger 22:05:55 well I wasn't saying it's too much, but man 22:05:56 also the regen 22:05:57 watch out 22:05:59 ya 22:06:01 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:06 I'm poking at switching it to healing on eating dudes 22:06:11 heh 22:06:30 which feels like more of a moral design choice than turning hydraform into megaregen form 22:06:41 not sure how often I triggered the eating 22:06:44 or that I have yet 22:07:41 what is hydraform? 22:07:48 You're a hydra now! RAWR! 22:07:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:07:54 it's a new exfoliant 22:08:09 ??dragon form 22:08:09 dragon form[1/4]: You're a dragon now! RAAAAWR! Breathe fire! Be tough (+50% hp) and strong! Gives +10 str, flight, rPois+ rFire++ rCold-, 34% GDR, +16 AC, giant size (will nuke your EV). Base unarmed damage = (20 + str*(2/3) + unarmed_skill). 22:09:02 pan lord form when 22:09:19 n o w 22:09:27 imo funk form 22:09:31 uncontrollable summoning 22:09:41 gammafunk: by "bad" I mean "no experience in and would probably annihilate the entire code in minutes" 22:09:45 unable to press 5 22:09:53 Taraiph: you should read about this guy linley 22:09:54 Taraiph: imo do it 22:10:32 -!- mkbehr_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:39 fr: test spawner form 22:10:42 Taraiph: Yeah, Henzell made Crawl and learned C++ as it went along. 22:10:58 He was not the best with pointers 22:11:02 or naming files 22:11:05 he thought that was 22:11:06 !glasses 22:11:07 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:11:08 pointless 22:11:12 hahaha 22:11:17 ??beh[18 22:11:18 I don't have a page labeled beh[18] in my learndb. Did you mean: be, bh, bmh, eh, geh, veh, :beh:, bees. 22:11:21 lol 22:11:26 rip 22:11:31 I guess I could put that as a 90 day challenge 22:11:39 I saw what looked like a beh to nerf grunt's glasses 22:11:48 make myself a fork of DCSS that can show me damage numbers 22:11:52 I'm happy to look over the technical side of any patches I think are a good idea design-wise, although I'm not really super-active right now. 22:11:56 gammafunk: it's real and it's great 22:12:05 but...what does it do 22:12:12 * PleasingFungus collapses into a singularity! 22:12:16 !singularity gammafunk 22:12:16 PleasingFungus mumbles some strange words. The singularity violently warps gammafunk! 22:13:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1044-g4e4684a: Make FULLDEBUG less spammy by default 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e4684a3108f 22:14:09 That's why I recommend debug-lite (tm). Just 27 calories! 22:14:17 ??source[4 22:14:17 27!?!?!? 22:14:18 source[4/4]: Henzell discussing his programming ability: "You see, I gave up on Borland's [C++] manual (which is very good, I'm just lazy) when it started talking about pointers [....] After pointers came structs, enums, pragmas, classes, macros, and a whole lot of other stuff which still means nothing to me." 22:14:19 excessive 22:14:20 !!! 22:14:25 who came up with blink frogs 22:14:34 I want to know who coded them into the game 22:14:52 I think blink frogs are pre-stone soup? 22:14:55 I don't think you can hunt them down, fwiw 22:15:00 "it is a mystery" 22:15:09 I hate Blink Frogs 22:15:18 reaverb is correct. 22:15:24 Blink frogs are pre-DCSS Crawl. 22:15:31 they blink all over the place and take forever to kill with GrBe 22:15:35 And are a Very Good enemy 22:15:39 <3 22:15:40 what is with their blink patterns 22:15:46 and why do they come in packs 22:15:47 they're random, I think 22:15:51 blink frog (09F) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 21-47 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Dam: 2006(blink self) | amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 265 | Sp: blink | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 22:15:51 %??blink frog 22:15:51 <|amethyst> blink frogs were not in 2.72 though 22:15:55 yep 22:16:57 They weren't in 3.0x but they were in 3.2x 22:17:00 and I miss somewhere between 50-75% of my swings at them 22:17:04 (neither were other frogs) 22:17:05 that's BS 22:17:11 so possibly 3.1x?? 22:17:26 Taraiph: clearly unfair. 22:17:31 you should complain to the devs. 22:17:37 yeah 22:17:39 yeah, who would do such a thintg 22:17:41 *thing 22:17:42 !!!!! 22:17:44 <|amethyst> looks like 3.20 22:17:46 !send PleasingFungus thingy 22:17:46 Sending thingy to PleasingFungus. 22:17:50 * Taraiph glowers at Grunt with a Jens Kidman face 22:17:54 <|amethyst> 7d4724f in crawl-ancient 22:17:55 !send Grunt stuff 22:17:56 Sending stuff to Grunt. 22:17:57 !send Taraiph stuff 22:17:57 Sending stuff to Taraiph. 22:18:01 PleasingFungus: dang. 22:18:11 |amethyst: can you link to that in any way? or is it buried and strange 22:18:13 <|amethyst> same commit that added boggarts 22:18:16 hahaha 22:18:18 good commit 22:18:18 <|amethyst> ??crawl-ancient 22:18:18 crawl-ancient[1/1]: git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl-ancient.git contains 2.72, 4.00b26, {4.1}.2alpha, and {crawl alternative} 22:18:24 !send Grunt http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Meshuggah_Kidman2_2008_Prague.jpg 22:18:25 Sending http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Meshuggah_Kidman2_2008_Prague.jpg to Grunt. 22:18:34 cloning 22:18:35 <|amethyst> let's see 22:19:01 <|amethyst> oh 22:19:10 <|amethyst> I'm sure gitorious would say object too large if I tried linking 22:19:29 <|amethyst> ah, but develz mirrors it 22:19:33 Dummy Monster calls on the powers of darkness! Your body is wracked with pain! Dummy Monster convulses! Dummy Monster dies! 22:19:38 what have I done :( 22:20:19 welcome to my world 22:20:19 ooh, also added SoH! 22:20:44 !send PleasingFungus TRAN_SERPENT_OF_HELL 22:20:44 Sending TRAN_SERPENT_OF_HELL to PleasingFungus. 22:20:48 and... Lorocyproca, capitalized like a unique? 22:20:55 !send Grunt quicksilver form 22:20:55 Sending quicksilver form to Grunt. 22:21:00 <|amethyst> http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl-anc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d4724f4 22:21:22 sure, you send this AFTER I get it cloned 22:21:31 hm. that sure is some code 22:21:43 if (you[0].species == 36 && you[0].xl >= 5 && you[0].duration [12] == 0 && you[0].lev == 0) 22:22:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: 3.30 adds enums 22:22:29 <|amethyst> - case 15: // phantom 22:22:29 <|amethyst> - case 140: // wisp 22:22:29 <|amethyst> - case 180: // blink frog 22:22:29 <|amethyst> - case 224: // less demon 22:22:29 <|amethyst> + case MONS_PHANTOM: // phantom 22:22:32 <|amethyst> + case MONS_INSUBSTANTIAL_WISP: // wisp 22:22:34 <|amethyst> + case MONS_BLINK_FROG: // blink frog 22:22:37 <|amethyst> + case MONS_MIDGE: // less demon 22:22:37 mm 22:22:39 <|amethyst> FR: "less demon" 22:22:44 no, more demon! 22:22:51 <|amethyst> subtractor demon 22:22:54 average demon imo 22:22:59 mean demon!!! 22:23:13 that might be kind of 22:23:14 !glasses 22:23:14 <|amethyst> demon mode enabled 22:23:15 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:23:16 demeaning 22:23:16 though 22:24:25 summon_ice_beast_etc(you[0].xl * 4, summon_any_demon(0)); 22:25:31 you[0]? 22:25:39 no gammafunk, you are the demons 22:25:50 was it multiplayer 22:25:51 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:54 <|amethyst> ??source[4] 22:26:55 source[4/4]: Henzell discussing his programming ability: "You see, I gave up on Borland's [C++] manual (which is very good, I'm just lazy) when it started talking about pointers [....] After pointers came structs, enums, pragmas, classes, macros, and a whole lot of other stuff which still means nothing to me." 22:27:18 <|amethyst> I imagine it was some kind of pointer-avoidance mechanism? 22:27:18 mpr("And don't expect to remain undetected."); 22:27:25 holy shit that message is fifteen years old 22:27:35 dang. 22:27:37 wow, the new xv is great 22:27:48 PleasingFungus: "You feel invincible" was around forever before it was changed :) 22:28:09 PleasingFungus: like "Your appeal for an extension has been denied", but that one's still around. 22:28:23 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:34 <|amethyst> A horrible Thing appears! was there in 1.1 22:29:09 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:29:19 rockygargoyl: ty! :) 22:29:28 <|amethyst> // two-headed Ogre (used to be Ettin, but that was boring) 22:29:33 gj 22:29:45 |amethyst: how confusing 22:29:50 where does current ettin date from, then? 22:29:54 hm 22:30:15 oh my god the deck code 22:30:22 in that commit 22:30:27 what, that version had decks? 22:30:37 it wasn't even the first version to have decks 22:30:44 wonders, summoning, tricks and power 22:30:45 Decks were 3.0x, IIRC? 22:30:46 ....UG 22:30:50 ha ha ha 22:30:53 (so was Nemelex) 22:30:56 I think the deck code is still bad-ish? It doesn't get touched often and I vaguely remember disliking it when new_nemelex was being worked on. 22:31:05 reaverb. reaverb. 22:31:07 it is not that bad. 22:31:12 !send beam.cc reaverb 22:31:12 Sending reaverb to beam.cc. 22:31:19 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:31:22 they #define the sizes of all the decks 22:31:32 and then build arrays for the decks 22:31:42 with no connection between the two variables 22:31:57 the rng flavour tho 22:32:00 no enums, ofc 22:32:02 Ha. 22:32:14 <|amethyst> char glag [30]; 22:32:14 <|amethyst> /* 22:32:14 <|amethyst> if (!glag) 22:32:14 <|amethyst> { cprintf("Not enough memory to allocate buffer!"); exit(0); 22:32:14 <|amethyst> }*/ 22:32:22 haha 22:32:23 each card seems to have been a number between 0 and 52 22:32:32 commented out 22:32:33 good 22:32:37 -!- rockygargoyl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:53 !send |amethyst loopy 22:32:54 Sending loopy to |amethyst. 22:32:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, there was a commented out char *glag and malloc above 22:32:56 rip loopy :( 22:33:04 ah, ok 22:33:11 more like 22:33:14 !send loopy |amethyst 22:33:14 Sending |amethyst to loopy. 22:33:18 ...eh 22:33:20 close enough 22:33:22 !send PleasingFungus PleasingFungus 22:33:22 Sending PleasingFungus to PleasingFungus. 22:33:34 !send Sequell Sequell 22:33:35 Sending Sequell to Sequell. 22:33:54 if (you[0].inv_quant [you[0].equip [0]] == 0) // can this be false? 22:34:07 aw, wtf 22:34:11 every single card used to have a description 22:34:19 1learn add crawl_ancient aw, wtf 22:34:27 no I mean that's rad 22:34:51 yeah, you have to look them up now 22:35:02 no gammafunk I don't mean 22:35:04 a useful description 22:35:18 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:19 strcpy(info, "On the card is a picture of a chest brimming over with gold!"); mpr(info); 22:35:35 pfft. "you have drawn Wealth". bor-ing! 22:35:45 It needs more menacing spikes and such imo. 22:35:52 ya 22:35:53 strcpy(info, "On the card is a picture of you, looking more experienced."); 22:36:11 ....tbh I think they swapped these out because they were really really bad at coming up with good descriptions 22:37:23 not many of these cards still around. Feast, Famine, Wild Magic 22:37:43 rules for bridge 22:37:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:00 I think it might just be those three. 22:38:17 strcpy(descpr, "A shapeshifter who has lost control over his, her or its transformations, and is constantly changing form."); 22:38:18 -!- drke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:29 this is MEGA anti bloax 22:38:49 -!- drke has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:39:21 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:39:23 Well 4.1 was hosted on CDO for a long time (and still is?) and that is certainly ultra-hard 22:39:47 I think this commit added random pan lords 22:40:24 I... think the descriptions are essentially unchanged since then 22:42:46 someone changed two of them from "which" to "who", but then I changed them back a few months ago. aside from that, yeah 22:42:48 huh 22:42:56 I guess no one was clamouring to contribute random pan lord descriptions 22:43:07 PleasingFungus: which who is which 22:43:08 ????? 22:43:13 why? 22:43:24 * Grunt listens for chirping crickets. 22:43:26 :( 22:43:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1045-gf0f92e7: Refactor. 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0f92e786e6a 22:43:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1046-g56becf9: Remember hydra headedness for player simulacrum (ChrisOelmueller) 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=56becf95b2b8 22:43:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-1047-g211e83f: Remember hydra heads for monster simulacrum too. 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=211e83f39900 22:43:55 -!- drke_ is now known as drke 22:43:58 ahh 22:43:59 %git 1e0cbefcc 22:43:59 07dolorous02 * 0.12-a0-2681-g1e0cbef: Fix wording. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e0cbefcc1d4 22:44:30 %igt %git 447edd58 22:44:33 %git 447edd58 22:44:33 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1860-g447edd5: Fix a few pan lord descriptions 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=447edd588a81 22:44:38 rip 22:44:49 |amethyst: so does a zero-headed Lerny corpse make yellow snow?? 22:44:58 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:05 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:13 <|amethyst> that reminds me 22:45:30 <|amethyst> this will need to be changed when corpses start storing the actual monster type 22:46:15 <|amethyst> I assume PF was planning on doing that? 22:46:20 not actively 22:46:27 it's not necessary for dechunk 22:46:42 <|amethyst> because your zombie etc change only affects generated zombies but not animated ones 22:46:43 also I may want some help with dechunk at some point; I was getting very odd bugs when I last worked on it, some weeks ago 22:46:46 oh 22:47:09 <|amethyst> it does affect death channel 22:47:09 I wasn't really thinking about that 22:47:12 I suppose it's inconsistent now 22:47:21 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:48:36 dechunk, I like it 22:49:03 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:49:10 better than "meat slurry" 22:49:12 that's for sure 22:49:45 feh 22:50:02 the branch name made sense to me three months ago 22:50:47 heh, lichform gives exactly the same uc buffs now as 15 years ago 22:51:14 it's all chunks become the same type, by ...whatever we call clean/poison/mutagen. 22:51:22 right? 22:51:22 ya 22:51:24 ok 22:51:31 and merge into blood-potion-like stacks 22:51:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:34 which I've got working, actually 22:51:43 the issue is handling god conducts 22:51:49 PleasingFungus: reminds me that at some point I was going to generalise player AF_ 22:51:57 Grunt: ? 22:52:17 PleasingFungus: as in allow players to attack with any AF_ if we could come up with a use for it 22:52:20 !send Grunt vague generalizations 22:52:20 Sending vague generalizations to Grunt. 22:52:21 o 22:52:26 AF_FIREBRAND imo 22:52:30 (this was when I was working on salamanders so they could get an AF_FIRE) 22:52:30 haha 22:52:38 oh man, this commit added 22:52:45 the most important thing in all of crawl history 22:52:50 toenail 22:52:50 strcat(info, " uses the watery terrain to its advantage."); 22:52:57 dang 22:52:59 not even a ! 22:53:02 I am the disappoint 22:53:03 :( 22:53:07 rip 22:53:16 also added "splashes around in the water" 22:53:19 yeah rip 22:53:21 ??oldswamp 22:53:21 oldswamp[1/1]: The swamp worm uses the watery terrain to its advantage. The swamp worm bites you! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * 22:53:23 <3 22:53:28 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:34 mpr("You hear a splashing noise."); 22:53:45 /* Not fair to instakill a monster like this (actually, I can't be bothered implementing it) */ 22:53:49 uh 22:53:50 /* Too long to put in the loop thing */ 22:53:57 when was hellfire added, I wonder 22:54:35 gammafunk: what the hellfire 22:54:45 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:54:53 what is to_dam in the weapon damage equation? 22:55:26 int datalen=30+35+10+69+6+5+25+2+30+5+25+12*52+50*5+50*4+50+50+6*50+50+50+30+30+30+100+50+100; 22:55:44 -!- hauzer1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:46 ._. 22:55:47 PleasingFungus: dang.... 22:55:57 I don't even know what the hell that is 22:55:57 /* Too powerful to give ghosts Torment for Agony? Nah. */ <- this comment is still in ghost.cc 22:56:15 Taraiph: that one is something about saving/loading, I strongly suspect 22:56:18 * Taraiph can't read computer 22:56:28 it's the total size of some data structure 22:56:33 ...hardcoded 22:56:37 in an insane fashion 22:56:40 <3 22:56:43 ._. 22:56:55 And now I question my Comp Sci major 22:57:00 1learn add crawl_ancient ...hardcoded in an insane fashion 22:57:03 /* hp - could be defined below (as could ev, AC etc). Oh well, too late */ 22:57:46 wait, I don't major in comp sci, i minor in comp sci 22:57:53 then what do I major in? 22:58:14 computer science 3 22:58:26 oh man, this added ghouls eating flesh! 22:58:32 it... restored strength? 22:58:33 PleasingFungus: RIP AND TEAR 22:58:41 mpr("You start tearing the corpse apart."); 22:58:50 +if ((item_class_inv == -1 && inv_count > 0) || (item_class_inv != -1 && Inv_class2 [item_class_inv] > 0) || (item_class_inv == 1 && (Inv_class2 [0] > 0 || Inv_class2 [1] > 0)) || (item_class_inv == 0 && (Inv_class2 [0] > 0 || Inv_class2 [11] > 0)) || (item_class_inv == 0 && (Inv_class2 [0] > 0 || Inv_class2 [13] > 0)) || (item_class_inv == 6 && (Inv_class2 [6] > 0 || Inv_class2 [10] >... 22:58:51 ...0)))// || (item_class_inv == 3 && (Inv_class2 [3] > 0 || Inv_class2 [11] > 0))) 22:59:04 I would put that in crawl code but it's several times too long for a tweet 22:59:48 GAH 22:59:49 oh my god this file is 50% comments 22:59:53 like 23:00:02 not actual comments. commented-out code 23:00:19 ...there was a 'gems' item category? 23:00:22 * Taraiph retreats into his shell of ignorance 23:00:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you mean "version control" 23:00:26 :( 23:00:55 agh why 23:00:57 it added 23:00:58 oh I found another instance of my code on crawlcode 23:00:58 ;_; 23:01:01 blurry vision 23:01:03 Grunt: ? 23:01:14 mutate(RANDOM_QAZLAL_MUTATION, god_wrath_name(god), false, false, true, false, false, false, true 23:01:24 oh 23:01:28 well, that's really just any call to mutate 23:01:39 that was the one I happened to be looking at 23:01:48 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:31 * Is obviously possible to get stuck in here. Bad luck if you do (should've come prepared) 23:04:06 dang rip 23:04:37 (a panlord vault that was just a sealed room) 23:04:49 that vault still exists!!!!! 23:04:54 huh, didn't know that 23:05:08 rand_demon_[1-9] are the ancient pan lord vaults :) 23:05:13 I think that's _4 or so? 23:05:16 !vault rand_demon_4 23:05:16 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des;hb=HEAD#l1396 23:05:26 oh it is _5 23:05:35 oh, these are neat muts 23:05:42 +{"You can channel magical energy from Hell.", "", ""}, /* Not worshippers of Vehumet */ 23:05:43 +{"You can drain life in unarmed combat.", "", ""}, 23:05:45 +{"You can throw forth the flames of Gehenna.", "", ""}, /* Not conjurers/worshippers of Makhleb */ 23:05:46 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:05:46 +{"You can throw forth the frost of Cocytus.", "", ""}, 23:05:48 +{"You can invoke the powers of Tartarus to smite your living foes.", "", ""}, 23:06:05 Grunt: ah, yep, that's it! 23:06:07 oh look, an ancient precursor to Black Mark :) 23:06:24 ??black mark 23:06:24 black mark[1/2]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Give melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance of gaining a vampiric effect and applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target. The vampiric effect affects all non-summoned monsters. 23:06:32 huh 23:06:38 neat 23:06:47 I never remember what black mark is, even though people keep mentioning it 23:06:51 maybe i need to play more ds 23:07:04 Well, the mutation is derived from the spell of the same name, amusingly. 23:07:06 ??black mark[2 23:07:06 black mark[2/2]: Also a monster spell, from {black sun}s and {Murray}. Any allies in LOS as well as the caster begin absorbing vital energies, and any melee done will, with no rN check, heal said individuals as well as either drain XP, speed, or mp. (This has an antimagic, slowing, or HD drain effect on other monsters). Not that dangerous without the right ally. 23:07:34 +{"You feel genetically unstable.", "You feel genetically unstable.", "You should not be reading this message. Bug reports to zel@olis.net.au."}, 23:07:50 wanna email that address 23:07:53 <3 23:08:31 if (strcmp(your_nam, "bones") == 0 || strlen(your_nam) == 0) /* this would cause big probs with ghosts */ 23:08:33 I wonder 23:09:01 !send PleasingFungus the Royal Jelly 23:09:01 Sending the Royal Jelly to PleasingFungus. 23:09:04 ha 23:09:14 also, you can name yourself 'bones' now 23:09:16 pity, I was hoping 23:11:09 oh man, this version added death knights AND necromancers AND chaos knights. each with two options! 23:11:12 also 23:11:14 // beam - beam[0].name is a local variable, so can't access it without horrible hacks 23:11:35 beams, considered a place of 'horrible hacks' by 1999 standards 23:12:06 <|amethyst> I take objection to calling beam[0].name a "local variable" but I think that's the joke 23:12:25 I am gonna be totally honest. 23:12:33 I am not convinced these people knew what they were talking about, when it came to code. 23:13:20 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:22 PleasingFungus: 1learn add beam.cc 23:13:23 <|amethyst> the third devteam will say the same of us 23:13:29 ha 23:13:36 I can live with that 23:13:47 |amethyst: aren't we already at about the fifth devteam :) 23:13:52 <|amethyst> I think we were supposed to have 50 years of rule by Satan after the Third Devteam is constructed, though 23:14:06 first there was Linley, then there was the Crawl devteam, then we've had successive groups of DCSS devs.... 23:14:15 hail, etc 23:15:08 augh. that's why devour wasn't triggering 23:15:15 I was trying to eat merfolk impalers 23:15:19 as a merfolk 23:15:21 of beogh 23:15:53 merf-orc 23:16:21 well, at least I know for sure that code works! 23:17:04 -!- odiv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:18:12 " This didn't get mentioned, but Dungeon Crawl became 17 years old yesterday -- having been released to the public on October 2nd 1997. " 23:20:07 <|amethyst> party at my house three years from now 23:20:46 imho 10 years from now 23:21:15 ^ 23:21:20 <|amethyst> heh 23:21:28 hi Brannock_ :) 23:21:47 did you know the wikipedia page on crawl is outrageously outdated 23:22:26 <|amethyst> which one 23:22:27 I am shocked 23:22:28 <|amethyst> there are two 23:22:32 er 23:22:45 Parts of this article (those related to Gameplay) are outdated. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (September 2014) 23:23:17 <|amethyst> "Online play" is also outdated 23:23:32 yes, quite a bit 23:23:43 !lg * tiles cdo 23:23:45 378976. yalue the Chiller (L1 HEIE), slain by a kobold on D:1 on 2013-05-09 13:53:45, with 52 points after 316 turns and 0:03:26. 23:24:07 !lm * tiles cdo 23:24:12 1070488. [2013-05-08 01:20:08] Moanerette the Covert (L15 DgSt) entered the Elven Halls on turn 47400. (Orc:3) 23:24:18 I'm actually pretty surprised that tiles has proven so popular. I remember when online play was exclusively ascii and people were discussing whether or not webtiles was even possible 23:24:40 I wonder how much of it is webtiles chat 23:24:54 weird to say, but 23:24:55 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 23:24:55 <|amethyst> I don't think it's just that 23:25:07 <|amethyst> it's a lot easier to show webtiles to someone and get them interested 23:25:12 oh, also, who should I poke about japanserver? 23:25:14 <|amethyst> than for them to have to download something 23:25:34 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:35 ya, that's true 23:25:38 you want to play crawl online? well, first download this tty client and then type in this list of commands and connect to a server, then you see ... 23:26:07 watch out for the green o and the purple o 23:26:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm... snark for sequell, me for scoring, and somebody should do an announcement if the sysop wants it. And did we ever announce CKR? 23:26:54 I don't think we did? 23:26:54 <|amethyst> http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1895 23:26:57 I could be wrong 23:27:02 maybe have a "servers in Asia" announcment 23:27:16 |amethyst: the funny part about that is that he links to the wiki 23:27:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: of course that depends on whether sd1989 wants to announce it 23:27:34 Secret Server 23:28:20 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Dungeon_crawl_stone_soup.png wooooow that's an ancient build of tiles. do those tiles even exist in the game anymore? 23:28:30 even the gold looks different 23:28:43 <|amethyst> Exp Pool: 22 23:28:50 Level 1 Mummy of Makhleb 23:28:52 mmm old CK 23:28:59 ...wait, that is a MuCK 23:29:01 hahahaha 23:29:05 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:29:20 <|amethyst> !lg * muck s=cv,god 23:29:20 12086 games for * (muck): 1394x 0.10-a (1385x Xom, 7x, Sif Muna, Kikubaaqudgha), 1358x 0.14-a (1335x Xom, 10x, 7x Lugonu, 2x Nemelex Xobeh, 2x Okawaru, Kikubaaqudgha, Makhleb), 1086x 0.11-a (1081x Xom, Ashenzari, , Okawaru, Kikubaaqudgha, Jiyva), 980x 0.12-a (974x Xom, 2x Ashenzari, , Jiyva, Trog, Kikubaaqudgha), 843x 0.5 (651x Makhleb, 119x Lugonu, 69x Xom, 4x), 661x 0.13-a (648x Xom, 8x, Okawaru... 23:29:37 Ring mail, orcish ring mail, dwarven ring mail, elven ring mail 23:29:59 !lg * muck xl=1 s=cv,god 23:30:00 2490 games for * (muck xl=1): 418x 0.14-a (413x Xom, 5x), 283x 0.10-a (280x Xom, 3x), 250x 0.5 (169x Makhleb, 59x Lugonu, 22x Xom), 200x 0.11-a (199x Xom, ), 187x 0.4 (146x Makhleb, 27x Lugonu, 11x Xom, 3x), 163x 0.12-a (162x Xom, ), 141x 0.7 (91x Xom, 34x Makhleb, 14x Lugonu, Cheibriados, ), 115x 0.6 (80x Makhleb, 22x Xom, 11x Lugonu, 2x), 93x 0.13 (93x Xom), 82x 0.8-a (54x Xom, 15x Makhleb, 13x ... 23:31:25 oh god I remember that ring mail tile 23:31:45 our current tiles 23:31:47 !glasses 23:31:47 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 23:31:49 run rings around it 23:31:50 !!! 23:34:28 ??tiles[11 23:34:33 tiles[11/16]: _The iron imp shouts, "Scamper hence, thou jarring miscreant tiler!" 23:37:42 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1048-gb60748f: Tweak Asterion/hydra interactions 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b60748f99d4a 23:38:36 critical changes!!! 23:38:58 dang!!!!!! 23:39:36 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:29 -!- Mazed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:41:22 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:51 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:43:43 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:45:48 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:22 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:15 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:30 I was talking with hangedman about enemies that contaminated you 23:49:44 he suggested purple ugly things 23:49:53 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:26 I wonder if there would be a way to balance it that was relevant but not horrible 23:52:11 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:23 !blame PleasingFungus 23:52:23 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 23:52:28 PleasingFungus: this mantis is your fault! 23:52:29 what? what??? 23:52:31 oh 23:52:35 yeah I'm already looking at it 23:52:36 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:52:43 tbf, only half of it is my fault 23:52:47 !blame PleasingFungus 23:52:47 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 23:52:53 feh! 23:52:58 Add {regen} inscription and describe text to amulets of regen 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9016 by qoala 23:52:58 unforgivable. 23:52:58 inescapable. 23:53:02 complete guilt. 23:54:10 hm 23:54:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:12 %git :/egenr 23:54:13 Could not find commit :/egenr (git returned 128) 23:54:15 %git :/egener 23:54:15 07|amethyst02 * 0.15.0-28-ge8bc79c: Regenerate prebuilt yaccage 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8bc79cbe758 23:54:41 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:48 oh 23:54:50 hm 23:54:51 that's odd 23:55:00 %git 69ea0458d 23:55:00 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1024-g69ea045: Turn rings of regen into amulets 10(3 months ago, 20 files, 59+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=69ea0458ddc8 23:55:06 in artefact.cc, look at what I removed and what I added 23:55:33 you 23:55:34 uh 23:55:39 changed two different functions 23:55:40 :) 23:55:44 yep 23:55:48 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:04 Grunt: it looks like you have a flaming arm with a crossbow on the end 23:56:09 re: hellfire doll tile 23:56:14 Another Grunt Tile 23:56:22 I didn't make that tile!!! 23:56:32 was it onto? 23:56:47 is it good to have that provides? is it bad? I have no idea. 23:56:53 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:06 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:57:08 I think it is... useless but harmless? 23:58:23 <|amethyst> oh, ARTP_REGENERATION doesn't really happen 23:58:35 yeah 23:58:36 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:58:46 <|amethyst> If it is added as a random randart property, that would keep amulets of regen from getting it 23:58:54 <|amethyst> so I'd say it's nice and proactive :) 23:59:07 gammafunk: wow that tile is as old as 23:59:17 %git 62f7040 23:59:18 07Enne02 * 0.4-a0-786-g62f7040: Tiles! 10(7 years ago, 2441 files, 26569+ 109-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62f7040f14b3 23:59:22 03qoala02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-1049-g0a3dd61: Note regen property of artefact amulets of regeneration. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a3dd61365a4 23:59:24 it is one of the original tiles!!!! 23:59:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think the second part of qoala's commit isn't actually pointless 23:59:30 ...dang