00:01:15 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:01:18 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.1-2-g8fbdab7 00:01:19 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 00:02:15 <|amethyst> ... 00:09:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-935-g3f07b6e (34) 00:14:15 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15.1-2-g8fbdab7 (34) 00:20:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:33 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: bye!] 00:25:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:26:37 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:26:53 -!- Amnesthesia is now known as Amnesthesia|Else 00:28:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:30:02 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:33:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-936-g79320fa: Allow building with diagnostics but not mid annotations. 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79320fa50fe5 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-937-gece3f9f: Add a parallel enum/array comment. 10(30 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ece3f9f5ce1a 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-938-ga0cca85: Add a &^Q category for noise messages. 10(25 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0cca85ed351 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-939-ge49cde9: Add a &^Q category for skill training messages. 10(19 minutes ago, 4 files, 29+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e49cde92c523 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-940-g6ac14ff: Put another message under DIAG_COMBAT. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ac14ff65228 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-941-g7a89e45: Put several more messages under DIAG_ABYSS. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a89e45cbe27 00:37:41 03|amethyst02 07* 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[Quit: Page closed] 02:14:57 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19:00 -!- xen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:19:01 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15.1-2-g8fbdab7 02:20:03 -!- GodzillaBlitz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:25:43 -!- Amnesthesia|Else is now known as Amnesthesia 02:28:15 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-942-g1b4356f (34) 02:32:27 -!- matador has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:36:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:39 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:52 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:41:16 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:42:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:45 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:11 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 02:57:19 !tell wheals constants are nice and all, but idk how much sense it makes to guarantee that, e.g., someone knocking down a tree makes the exact same noise a scroll of noise 02:57:19 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 02:57:33 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:47 !tell wheals it feels like a bit of a #DEFINE TWENTY_FIVE 25 situation, tbh 02:57:47 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 03:05:49 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:08:22 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:57 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:29 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET Zero IRC Ver 2.9G] 03:18:01 -!- hart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:25:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-943-g839f286: Changelog through 0.16-a0-942-g1b4356f 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 33+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=839f2861b6c2 03:28:49 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:17 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:57 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 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It would be better if tentacle segments were just skipped for this effect. I don't know how it generalizes (e.g. to other area of effect hexes) 03:40:34 Patashu: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 03:40:46 uh 03:40:46 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:40:46 why me 03:41:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:41:08 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: zzzzzz] 03:41:31 didn't you do some work on tentacles recently? 03:41:39 I can pick another dev at random if you like 03:41:44 no 03:41:50 you're thinking of gammafunk or grunt 03:41:52 %git :/nole 03:41:52 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-659-g9ffe6a5: Show Mnoleg's tentacles as, well, "Mnoleg's tentacle". 10(12 days ago, 2 files, 8+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ffe6a5772a9 03:41:55 ^ 03:41:59 ok, I'll Grunt it 03:42:02 * PleasingFungus grunts. 03:43:16 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:46:39 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:50:34 which file defines unique monsters? 03:50:42 oh iguess the same as all monsters nvm 03:50:55 ya 03:54:47 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-30-september-2014 tossing this in here even though no one's awake 03:55:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-944-g5546740: Add 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tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:03:56 -!- Guest56528 is now known as potatolizard 07:07:40 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:15 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:15:54 misleading/unintuitive that sleeping mons are displayed as having 0 ev - not sure what the right behaviour is there 07:16:55 <|amethyst> ev = m->melee_evasion(0, EV_IGNORE_PHASESHIFT); // dubious 07:17:02 <|amethyst> in mon-info.cc 07:17:06 yes? 07:17:51 <|amethyst> oh, you added that comment 07:18:02 "melee evasion" is a weird function name 07:18:03 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18:07 anyway, I could certainly use EV_IGNORE_HELPLESS, but I feel like that's the wrong behaviour for e.g. webbed enemies... idk 07:18:18 <|amethyst> ? 07:18:29 it feels like webbed enemies *should* be displayed as having 0 ev 07:18:38 source: my gut 07:18:43 also I'm not sure if we should be ignoring phase shift 07:18:44 <|amethyst> but then why wouldn't you want a paralysed enemy to show as having 0 ev? 07:18:58 paralysed enemies should also show as 0 ev, yes 07:19:03 it's specifically sleeping enemies that it feels wrong for 07:19:21 <|amethyst> maybe we should show a two-colour bar 07:19:22 (since enemies will generally? be sleeping when you first encounter them, so you xv them and see 0 ev...) 07:19:28 <|amethyst> current and "normal" evasion 07:19:30 ah, I was considering (+++).... 07:19:49 though that would only cover the 0-ev case 07:20:13 <|amethyst> I guess three colours actually, so you can handle both raised and lowered EV 07:21:26 <|amethyst> hm 07:21:27 three! colours! 07:21:34 also that would be misleading for !agi, I think 07:21:55 since that seems to adjust monster ev directly, rather than modifying it in melee_evasion 07:22:25 <|amethyst> so does phase shift :/ 07:22:41 <|amethyst> melee_evasion subtracts it back out 07:22:44 er 07:22:47 hm 07:24:53 I think I'm going to change it to EV_IGNORE_NONE for now 07:25:36 and think about the Sleep Issue more later 07:26:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-947-ge88a48d: Actually, don't ignore phase shift when displaying mons EV 10(56 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e88a48da7e3d 07:27:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess you can always do ?/mgoblin 07:28:20 yeah but it's the intuitiveness that concerns me 07:28:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: also, found a leak 07:28:38 oh shit 07:28:45 ostringstream stuff? 07:28:52 <|amethyst> not that kind of leak, an info leak 07:28:59 oh. tell me what 07:29:09 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:29:14 <|amethyst> &morc ; robe plus:10 07:29:20 <|amethyst> (unidentified) 07:29:26 ahh 07:29:29 hadn't thought of that 07:29:30 hm 07:29:42 <|amethyst> I mean, you'll figure that out after hitting them a few times I guess 07:29:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:48 no it's still a leak 07:30:00 likewise for monsters wearing un-id'd protect/ev rings 07:30:03 which can happen I think 07:30:04 PleasingFungus: what do you think this is, Bar Crawl Stone Soup? 07:30:04 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:30:07 !messages 07:30:08 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (4h 32m 48s ago): constants are nice and all, but idk how much sense it makes to guarantee that, e.g., someone knocking down a tree makes the exact same noise a scroll of noise 07:30:08 !messages 07:30:08 wheals: yes 07:30:08 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (4h 32m 21s ago): it feels like a bit of a #DEFINE TWENTY_FIVE 25 situation, tbh 07:30:27 *the exact same noise as 07:30:30 PleasingFungus: the commit was originally part of an abortive attempt to standardize volumes a bit more 07:30:43 ah. imho rename the define 07:30:47 VERY_LOUD_NOISE 07:30:53 yeah 07:30:54 also 07:30:59 did you notice, that before that commit 07:31:10 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, you have a "fan" :( http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/2ht8z5/where_did_the_options_go/ 07:31:22 <|amethyst> wheals: "copying and pasting from one file to another instead of having shit just be in ONE FUCKING FILE is pretty damned dumb" 07:31:24 "You hear a loud crashing sound!" was quieter than "You hear a crashing sound." 07:31:27 |amethyst: could just always display mons class ac/ev, I guess, but I really liked having e.g. the effects of corrosion displayed 07:31:32 wheals: !!!! 07:31:53 <|amethyst> wheals: I was tempted to post "your fellow users who can't figure out to remove the # despite the file saying so at the top are also pretty damn dumb, so that's what we're shooting for." 07:31:53 i should change it back so minmay can complain about it on tavern 07:32:53 also, #9000 was everything i could hope it would be 07:32:58 it's really beautiful 07:33:08 I was going to add it to goodmantis and then for some reason I didn't 07:37:07 i wonder what happens with tiamat right now, too 07:37:12 Tiamat (16d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 380 | AC/EV: 39/20 | Dam: 60, 45 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(58), 02cold, 03poison | Vul: 11silver | XP: 9228 | Sp: b.lightning (3d25) / b.quicksilver (3d20) / cold breath (3d28) / fire breath (3d28) / poisonous cloud (3d13) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 07:37:12 %??tiamat 07:37:20 since her cloak pushes her over 40 07:37:32 -!- potatolizard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:57 I think it should display her as having the max number of +s 07:37:57 -!- potatolizard has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:07 I already handled having more than max value for mr-immune enemies 07:38:11 which have 5000 mr 07:38:16 should replace the '+'s with '!'s IMO 07:38:19 in both cases 07:38:21 -!- potatolizard is now known as Guest87929 07:38:35 this also reminds me to stop being lazy and add chris's monster mr patch maybe 07:38:41 I was thinking about it 07:38:53 but I don't feel like I understand mr well enough to know what side-effects it would have 07:39:01 in terms of balance 07:40:15 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:41:03 !learn e wheals[2] s/$/, monster MR 07:41:03 wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, give xtahua red drac breath (and clear out mon-abil as much as possible), ambient noise, make ghost crabs better :(, merge carni & sapro, bring back plague shamblers (sorta), monster MR 07:42:21 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43:02 PleasingFungus: you could further boost the PDP of mimics by having them steal from your inventory one item of the type they were mimicing, THEN cackle and vanish forever :3 07:43:26 nah. 07:43:38 PleasingFungus: where's my geography fact 07:43:43 ha 07:43:55 -!- fridurmus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43:59 until medieval times, a land bridge connected ceylon to the indian mainland 07:44:14 ??geography facts 07:44:14 I don't have a page labeled geography_facts in my learndb. 07:44:34 -!- matador has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44:46 learn add geography_facts 07:45:02 anyway, hm. one solution for the information leak would be to add a include_unknown (exclude_unknown?) param to armour_class & melee_evasion 07:45:19 calc_unid 07:45:22 obv 07:45:22 would require modifying the actor interface, which is a little clunkier 07:45:26 it's not exactly calc_unid. :) 07:45:28 but similar. 07:45:44 idk. gonna go shower and then implement that if I have no better ideas. 07:45:52 actually, how exactly is it different? 07:46:02 well, it'll never cause actual mutation of data 07:46:06 unlike calc_unid 07:46:15 if I understand that correctly? 07:46:54 calc_unid is (was) for stuff like "do you have rf" vs "you got hit by fire, if you have any rf then id it" 07:46:56 no, i think that in general stuff with calc_unid params used separate functions to actually do the identifying 07:46:59 oh 07:47:01 idk then 07:47:02 i can check 07:47:05 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 07:47:09 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:47:13 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:47:13 -!- Smello_ is now known as Smello 07:47:39 calc_unid feels like a bad name if you're right 07:47:54 "TSO’s Divine Shield no longer benefits from Shields skill." <-- is it still possible to train shields just by knowing it? 07:48:07 yeah, you had maybe_id_resists after checks 07:48:16 Wensley: I believe not 07:48:19 it would be a bug if so 07:48:42 wheals: well, I guess we could use that name to be consistent. (calc_unid.) do you want to implement it, or should I? 07:48:58 sounds complicated still, you can do it :P 07:49:01 pfeh 07:49:10 ok, will do it once I get back 07:51:49 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:54:09 !source _death_is_worth_saving 07:54:09 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD#l3940 07:54:16 FR: xom can save you from winning 07:54:35 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:55:24 "I demand an encore!" -suddenly entering Zot:5 without the Orb again- 07:58:58 "A mysterious force momentarily surrounds you" 08:01:55 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:03:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04:28 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:16 thankfully xom is a chaotic god 08:07:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:12 hm okay 08:08:14 so 08:08:21 this is also an information leak for ghost demons 08:08:32 relevantly, player ghosts & pan lords 08:08:37 player ghosts being leaked is I think good 08:08:45 saves time looking them up in sequell 08:08:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:09:06 pan lords I'm ambivalent on. the game already tells you their random resists, so there's already a reason to xv all of them 08:09:34 otoh there's the precedent of it not showing their spells 08:09:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:42 yeah 08:11:04 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:11:18 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:44 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:37 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:15:52 ugh 08:16:48 hm, apparently rebuilding monster and crawl at the same time doesn't work so well 08:17:06 ev being randomly added to in a million places means that I have no idea how to meaningfully plug that leak 08:18:20 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19:28 I think I will leave it be for now, annoying though it is 08:19:37 and come back to it later, with fresh thoughts and ideas 08:19:43 like "remove the ac variable from monster" 08:22:28 huh, I bet the mr display also leaks monsters wearing un-id'd mr+ items 08:22:45 -!- tsohg has quit [] 08:24:14 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:59 huh 08:26:07 it looks like xom never does good stuff if you are over water 08:27:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Client Quit] 08:27:54 oh never mind, ignore_flight i guess handles that 08:28:06 sailors beware 08:28:21 // The nicer stuff. Note: these things are not necessarily nice. 08:28:31 ! 08:31:41 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:59 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45:13 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:47:44 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:53:57 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 08:54:51 |amethyst: a patch to update monster for PleasingFungus's flag changes: http://sprunge.us/CUGj 08:55:13 hm, he's /away 08:55:18 !tell |amethyst a patch to update monster for PleasingFungus's flag changes: http://sprunge.us/CUGj 08:55:18 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:55:22 augh, the pings 08:55:23 PleasingFungus: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:55:26 ...wtf 08:55:33 are they from a deck of cards 08:55:58 no, don't be absurd 08:56:08 cards use /msg, not !tell! 08:58:28 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:58:38 yeah there's some suggestion that a finer resolution is needed - e.g. https://bpaste.net/show/7a71aee00d97 08:58:55 though I'm not very fond of nonlinear scales which appear linear 08:59:09 I guess it's nearly linear 08:59:17 this is re mr display btw 08:59:52 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:03 Debug build -> run gdb yourself. 09:01:08 how cruel :( 09:02:19 +++++! 09:02:35 yeah that one's a little odd 09:02:45 how much mr does +++!?? represent 09:02:49 !?!?! 09:03:03 choko mr 09:03:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-948-g8889bc4: Simplify cleaving 10(11 minutes ago, 3 files, 40+ 37-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8889bc489842 09:04:32 okay, now it is time. 09:04:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:18 good change 09:05:53 ty. I had a nasty argument with |amethyst about it a few months ago but we came to an agreement & I've since come over to his side on a related issue (the 75% damage for secondary cleave targets) 09:05:58 so I think everyone should be reasonably happy 09:08:09 i just like it 'cause it's simpler to figure out what you'll hit (i.e. everything) 09:10:23 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 09:11:05 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 09:11:28 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:11:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:05 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 09:14:27 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:21 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:14 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:34:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:39:07 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39:13 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:40:47 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:41:29 -!- sanka has quit [Client Quit] 09:46:04 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:46:07 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:47:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:48:34 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:30 hydra form update: very fun, in a bloax kind of way 09:50:32 might need a cooldown 09:50:46 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:05 or a hunger cost 09:51:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 09:53:55 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03:33 !tell johnny0 i actually used GDB for the first time today :P (on linux though) 10:03:33 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03:33 wheals: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 10:04:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:54 -!- mopl_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:10 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:52 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:11:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:14 -!- ark is now known as Guest89894 10:24:02 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:31:01 -!- CacoS has quit [] 10:32:42 -!- Guest89894 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:35:16 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:45:05 but is a bloax kind of fun a bad kind of fun 10:45:12 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:46:33 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:05 it's a warning sign, I'll say that. 10:53:14 Isn't hydra form basically blade hands: do crazy damage? 10:53:42 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:03 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:54:47 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:58 veryu convenient disconnect five seconds after i post that 10:55:03 it's more like berserk 10:55:08 or glass cannon form 10:55:15 so, dragon form? 10:55:18 it's a bunch of things 10:55:20 I thought dragon form was glass cannon fo --- 10:55:24 ninja'd 10:55:35 although imo dragon form could use being tankier 10:55:37 dragon form is not really a glass cannon, no 10:55:40 Hydra Form: It's everything you like. 10:55:53 not very glass or very cannon 10:56:01 (i don't mind nerfing its damage) 10:56:10 (at worst it'll still be really high) 10:57:08 fr: a way to get a specific xom effect without having to comment out everything but that in the function 10:58:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:00:05 I would support this 11:00:07 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:19 like, in spirit. I ain't doin' any work 11:00:33 there are even two ways that all xom effects are mapped to words 11:00:39 strings, rather 11:01:42 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:06:30 mmmm 11:11:34 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:39 %git :/atacl 11:13:41 07Lasty02 * 0.16-a0-677-g076ae15: Rename Ru's Cataclysm to Apocalypse and adjust. 10(12 days ago, 9 files, 26+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=076ae153bbbc 11:13:55 !tell lasty you should probably update 'cataclysm' in the changelog 11:13:55 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:16:55 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:18:31 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:19:55 -!- Kashira has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:20:52 <|amethyst> FR: crawl ripoff of Mithras 11:20:52 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:21:05 <|amethyst> just so we can have an ability called "Cattleclysm" 11:21:38 yak god? 11:22:18 fr: yak unique 11:22:48 <|amethyst> rms sings! You die. 11:22:56 <|amethyst> a gnu is like a yak, right? 11:23:37 no, yak is a desktop environment 11:23:44 YAK Ain't KDE 11:23:51 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 4/8 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 956 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:23:51 <|amethyst> %??nessos 11:23:58 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-949-ge98a28f: Give Dragon's Call the empowered colour when in Dragon Form. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e98a28f5822c 11:23:58 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-950-g61391c8: Simplify. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61391c87eb1d 11:23:58 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-951-gee2664d: Experimental Xom effects on hit: Harmless clouds, butterflies. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 46+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee2664d13f98 11:23:58 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-952-g57cc27a: New Xom effects: good scroll of fog (Xom-stlye), bad chaos cloud. 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 61+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57cc27ae3544 11:23:58 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-953-g438b589: Don't crash when doing a Xom debug session. 10(77 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=438b5892e364 11:23:58 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-954-g6daecfe: Allow Xom to repel stairs in the Abyss even with no tension. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6daecfe537d8 11:24:02 satyr (09c) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 44-83 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 25 | 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(48) | XP: 892 | Sp: melee, cause fear, sleep | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:24:02 <|amethyst> %??satyr 11:24:05 <|amethyst> thanks for the patch 11:24:08 np 11:24:31 I did not know there was an empowered colour 11:24:39 it exists for badcharms 11:25:03 wheals: are you very sure about that 'simplify' 11:25:25 else { if (foo) } 11:25:35 oh I'm not questioning that part 11:26:03 OH 11:26:14 i guess it changes the behavior if you're a xommite under penance 11:26:18 yeah I'm not sure that your change actually breaks things 11:26:23 but it is a change in behavior 11:27:07 ...good "xom-stlye" 11:27:08 to a better behavior 11:27:23 oops 11:27:38 _Xom rearranges some letters. 11:31:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 11:34:29 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:57 -!- Guest87929 is now known as potatolizard 11:37:37 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:47:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:41 !tell lasty Is Ru the Awakened or the Insubstantial? The game & changelog apparently disagree 11:50:42 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:50:43 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:52:50 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:14 awakened wisp 11:58:55 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:11 -!- eliotn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:02:41 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:03:23 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:54 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15.1-2-g8fbdab7 12:05:30 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:58 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:47 PleasingFungus: pressing p!!! over an altar gives a "religion" title over the top 12:08:06 PleasingFungus: working on a rewrite of the code, don't fix, i just want to taunt you :P 12:09:10 rip 12:09:10 rip 12:09:14 ty, sequell. 12:10:52 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:28 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 12:12:13 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14:11 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:11 i'm think about removing the special case for xom -- the text given isn't that much longer than ru's 12:14:13 if at all 12:15:16 I was considering adding a special case for ru 12:15:26 they should probably be the same 12:15:52 the current ru setup is kind of an afterthought that I made while rebasing 12:16:48 it seems to me to make more sense to talk about xom's wrath, such as it is, where everyone else's is 12:16:51 PleasingFungus: Ru the Awakened. I thought I already updated that in the changelog. 12:16:54 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 12:16:58 of course this is partly because i'm a lazy coder 12:17:28 mm. maybe I was working off an old version of the changelog 12:17:28 looks like it's right there 12:17:32 I'll poke it in the blog post 12:18:13 poke'd 12:19:23 I don't think I updated "Cataclysm' tho 12:20:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-954-g6daecfe (34) 12:20:33 you did not 12:20:44 which is fair, since it's generally not the practice to update the changelog as things happen 12:20:57 (someone usually pokes it every week or so) 12:25:14 -!- ben__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:25:16 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:27:10 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:28:39 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:04 lasty 12:29:20 can you consider increasing the offering of sacrifices by Ru on zot defense? 12:29:50 offering speed* 12:30:50 !lg * recent zotdefense 12:30:50 No keyword 'zotdefense' 12:30:53 mm 12:30:57 !lg * recent defense 12:30:57 No keyword 'defense' 12:31:16 I give up 12:31:49 -!- derGrimnebulin has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:41 ??zot defense 12:32:41 zot defense[1/4]: http://sites.google.com/site/crawlvariations/ Turns Crawl into a tower defense game; coded by Chapayev. Play at akrasiac and have fun! Now play at develz instead for an updated version! 12:32:47 there you go 12:32:56 that is not, in fact, what I was looking for. 12:33:01 ah 12:33:03 thank you for trying, though. 12:33:05 hm 12:33:07 ??zot defense[$ 12:33:07 zot defense[4/4]: List of themed waves: Hydra, Fire, Cold, Gnoll, Rat, Hound, Abomination, Ugly, Golem, Human, Butterfly, Hell Beast, Frog, Bear, Wraith, Giant, Yak, Insect, Pan. 12:33:18 !hs PleasingFungus zotdef 12:33:19 No games for PleasingFungus (zotdef). 12:33:19 butterfly? 12:33:25 !lg * recent zotdef 12:33:25 2250. BardOfHeart the Ruinous (L1 HECj), got out of the dungeon alive on 2014-09-30 16:15:55, with 0 points after 91 turns and 0:00:06. 12:33:28 aah, i didn't see the "!lg" 12:33:28 !lg * recent 12:33:30 538258. Maelson the Sneak (L2 DsAs), shot by a goblin (stone) on D:2 on 2014-09-30 17:32:56, with 23 points after 915 turns and 0:01:02. 12:33:39 !lg * recent !boring 12:33:41 478586. Maelson the Sneak (L2 DsAs), shot by a goblin (stone) on D:2 on 2014-09-30 17:32:56, with 23 points after 915 turns and 0:01:02. 12:33:44 !lg * recent !boring zotdef 12:33:44 1968. snorfblat the Cudgeler (L3 OgDK of Yredelemnul), slain by a kobold (a +2 dagger of speed) in Zot (Scenario I: Hall of Zot : zotvault) on 2014-09-30 02:51:37, with 23 points after 242 turns and 0:02:19. 12:33:54 yeah hm. 12:34:12 a few months ago, we had a conversation about whether we were going to remove zotdef or maintain it 12:34:14 and then we did neither 12:36:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:37:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:44 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39:13 yeah i remember that 12:39:22 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:39:25 !lg * recent !boring zotdef s=name 12:39:26 1968 games for * (recent !boring zotdef): 53x twillightdoom, 49x runewalsh, 48x crazyfist, 45x ilii, 42x Excalibur, 39x robotjosh2, 36x BluebellGnoll, 35x Xen, 34x nsb, 34x thenidhogg, 34x ClockworkSoul, 32x haldagan, 30x Tiropat, 30x tomasdelima, 27x PolkaDot, 25x WhistlerWCT, 24x TZer0, 24x Graviox, 23x slix, 23x Mukuu, 20x AuraOfTheDawn, 19x tlhonmey, 19x Solitaire, 18x Cerberito, 18x Vozhyg, 1... 12:39:32 !lg * recent !boring zotdef x=count(name) 12:39:32 it's fun, but it's really buggy 12:39:33 1968 games for * (recent !boring zotdef): count(name)=435 12:39:35 No God does not appreciate abandonment, and will call down fearful punishments 12:39:35 on disloyal followers! 12:39:39 !lg * recent !boring x=count(name) 12:39:42 478599 games for * (recent !boring): count(name)=10197 12:39:45 best bug i have ever made 12:39:46 wheals: oh no! 12:39:54 that is extremely Grunt 12:39:56 !tell Grunt No God does not appreciate abandonment, and will call down fearful punishments on disloyal followers! 12:39:57 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:40:02 beat me to it by seconds 12:43:08 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 12:48:25 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-955-g9fdfd62: Display what you can cycle through on the bottom row in the ^ screen. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 69+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fdfd62ed247 12:48:30 ok, feel free to make fun of my silly comments and changes now 12:49:00 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:49:53 that's not exactly what I was saying, but w/e 12:51:14 ty for changing "xom" to "god_name(which_god)". that is virtuous, so that we will be all set for when "xom" is renamed 12:51:28 this may sound like mockery but it is mostly self-mockery 12:51:38 for april fools we can shuffle around all god names 12:51:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:51 maybe even make god_name return a random one 12:52:29 -!- ben__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:52:36 alternatively string god_name(god_type which_god) { return "Xom"; } 12:52:51 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:11 which_god = GOD_XOM 12:53:48 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:01 ??epic bugs 12:54:01 epic bugs[1/19]: if (you.religion = GOD_XOM) 12:55:09 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:43 yep 12:57:13 -!- RedWarrior0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:13 say, is the vampire fang supposed not to vamp every attack 13:03:55 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:17 -!- Cryp71c__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:05:47 all vampirism has only a chance of firing 13:07:00 technically yes, due to the (x_chance_in_y(defender->res_negative_energy(), 3)) before all the other checks 13:08:08 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:36 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:55 but after that check leech skips the "2 times in 5" check 13:09:02 except the vampire tooth doesn't 13:09:13 but instead the vampire tooth always restores as much hp as it hit for 13:09:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:11:03 oh 13:11:05 that is intended I think 13:11:13 also I thought you were talking about actual vp fangs 13:11:17 ??vampire's tooth 13:11:17 vampire's tooth[1/1]: An unrandart +3, +4 vampiric dagger. More {vampiric} than any other weapon, it heals you for the full damage (healing still triggers on 3/5 hits like a regular vampiric weapon). +4 in 0.15. 13:11:23 ^ 13:12:00 well it's just a +4 dagger 13:20:37 yeah I don't really get it 13:20:39 or morg 13:20:43 !tell rockygargoyle seems fair. Probably should apply to all sprints . . . 13:20:44 Lasty_: OK, I'll let rockygargoyle know. 13:20:52 the same could be said! 13:21:02 I have no idea how ru interacts with sprints tbqh 13:21:12 morg is cool IMO 13:21:26 vampire's tooth is pretty lame though 13:21:51 it's pretty cool for a VS 13:22:01 who are also the only ones who can even think of using it offensively 13:22:29 because a +4 dagger is starting to become weak towards d:7 13:22:39 PleasingFungus: I'd guess that you get no sac offers for a long time, then hit max piety after one sacrifices. 13:22:42 *sacrifice 13:22:59 Ru is not well designed for sprint 13:23:26 more like 'ru is not well-designed' amirite 8) 8) 8) 13:23:38 ??morg 13:23:39 morg[1/1]: Many years ago it was the property of a powerful mage called Boris. He got lost in the Dungeon while seeking the Orb. -1,+4 dagger {pain, MR+ Int+5}. +4 in 0.15. 13:23:53 I have never played a character who could use pain effectively 13:24:01 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:24:07 PleasingFungus: that is impossible to believe 13:24:09 You don't use necromancy? 13:24:32 sorry, "who could use pain effectively and also found a usable pain weapon while in the space of the game in which enemies are vulnerable to pain" 13:24:33 you just need ~10 skill for pain to be elec-level strong 13:24:47 PleasingFungus: you mean, non-extended? 13:24:50 ya 13:24:53 weird 13:24:57 that seems improbably 13:24:59 *improbable 13:25:03 that can happen, yeah (but go kiku sometime :P) 13:25:06 also, you don't worship Kiku I take it 13:25:26 !log . kiku won 13:25:29 1. PleasingFungus, XL27 OpEE, T:109203: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/PleasingFungus/morgue-PleasingFungus-20140618-193225.txt 13:25:36 anyway I like morg because it is also a very nice weapon for some chars who aren't meleeing much 13:25:46 I generally end up with an artefact or something 13:25:50 so it appeals to two different types of char (which overlap sometimes) 13:26:07 ...also, wait, what 13:26:10 !greatplayer . 13:26:15 Unwon species for PleasingFungus: Ghoul, Mummy 13:26:29 my op magically emerged from the wastes of chunkless 13:26:34 how did that happen 13:26:44 yeah, experimental branches are all in sequell now I think 13:26:49 neat 13:26:52 well, that makes me happy 13:26:55 !lg pleasingfungus won experimental s=char 13:26:55 2 games for pleasingfungus (won experimental): DsGl, OpEE 13:27:00 !lg pleasingfungus won experimental s=char,explbr 13:27:01 2 games for pleasingfungus (won experimental): OpEE (chunkless), DsGl (gods) 13:27:10 explbrauaghasdfl 13:27:57 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:29:08 say "explbr" three times fast 13:29:56 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15.1-2-g8fbdab7 13:30:12 I didn't choose that name, don't look at me :P 13:33:26 I didn't choose the expblr life... 13:33:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:38:27 oh. I had a dumb/goofy idea 13:38:55 make summonstaffs summon pals on hit (chance based on evoke, creature type based on summ skill, you know the drill) 13:39:33 currently summonstaffs abjure on hit but I have absolutely no idea how useful that is, or if it's useful at all 13:40:58 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:41:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:41:43 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43:27 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 13:48:54 I like that, in that I've never thought abjure on strike was very useful 13:51:38 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:25 also I have no idea what a reasonable scale would be - clearly you would start with spammals-on-hit but I don't know what the top end should be 13:52:32 dragons seem excessive 13:52:59 PleasingFungus: I'm not a big fan of summoning in general but that does sound better than abjuration-on-hit (which afaik is used by nobody) 13:53:20 heh 13:53:25 I will ask the expert 13:53:43 !tell gammafunk: weird idea: make summonstaff summon pals on hit??????? (instead of abjuring probably) 13:53:44 Sorry PleasingFungus, I don't know who gammafunk: is. 13:53:48 .... 13:53:57 !tell gammafunk weird idea: make summonstaff summon pals on hit??????? (instead of abjuring probably) 13:53:57 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 13:54:20 on the other hand I'm aok with conjurestaff and energystaff not having on-hits 13:54:36 maybe powerstaff should have an on-hit, to encourage people using it later on. idk 13:55:17 hit to recover mp for power? 13:56:24 that's the obvious thought, yeah 13:56:30 and/or something involving antimagic 13:56:41 actually antimagic is a very bad idea; scratch that 13:56:44 give the staff a summoning/30 chance of rakashakaflame-summoning the hit monster 13:56:57 what is rakshakaflame 13:57:16 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 47-86 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(146), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 995 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16), phantom mirror, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:57:16 %??rakshasa 13:59:01 no I mean - nvm 13:59:03 anyway 13:59:15 idk that summonstaff is the place for it but I really want some effect that spawns friendly clones of enemies, now 13:59:39 probably a consumable 14:00:08 summon R 14:00:17 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 14:01:46 -!- Cryp71c__ is now known as Cryp71c 14:06:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:08:02 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 14:09:19 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:19:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:22 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:10 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 14:22:56 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:46 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:57 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 14:24:56 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:42 -!- ben__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30:37 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:43 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:48 the summon stuff on hit made me think of brogue conjuration 14:34:49 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:34:52 !messages 14:34:54 (1/2) johnny0 said (1h 46s ago): gdb is incredibly useful when it works as expected (which it generally does on linux and other unix machines). You can do neat stuff with gdbserver too, like run the code on a native system with limited resources (like a PS3, for example) and debug from your beefy development workstation. 14:34:56 !messages 14:35:06 (1/1) johnny0 said (58m 6s ago): btw, i uploaded a more recent GDB build for windows to issue #98 (it can be dropped right alongside crawl.exe so it won't intefere with other things you do in MSYS) and pushed quite a few changes to the win32 crash branch/repo 14:35:17 tell me about brogue conjuration 14:35:33 it summons dancing weapons 14:36:20 but the problem with summoning clones of staff of summoning on hit is that it isn't very good as a melee weapon, and also neither tukima's nor spectral are summoning spells 14:36:49 heh 14:36:52 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:16 clearly time to bring back the staff of enchantments 14:41:43 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:43:12 can phantom mirrored rakshasas cast phantom mirror? 14:44:36 I don't see why not 14:44:59 well. actually I was looking at some code the other day intended to prevent "exponential clone explosions" 14:45:02 so maybe not 14:45:05 which would be tragic 14:45:15 no, that would be very good 14:45:23 * wheals writes down that phrase for the clan for next tourney 14:45:26 they're already overly obnoxious in terms of encouraging gameplay similar to old summoning imo 14:46:35 -!- Zephryn has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:50:15 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:24 ??blue death 14:50:25 blue death[1/1]: Churchmouse the Blademaster (L27 HaWn), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by a smoke demon (divine providence) (summoned by a deep elf sorcerer (summoned by a Blue Death (summoned by a deep elf demonologist (summoned by a Blue Death (summoned by a deep elf demonologist))))) in Zig:21 on 2011-08-02, with 649571 points after 98719 turns and 13:08:27. 14:50:34 <|amethyst> BTW, students love the story of ??epic bugs[1] 14:51:04 <|amethyst> not teaching C++ this semester so I don't have as many opportunities to use it 14:51:31 ??epic_bugs[1] 14:51:31 epic bugs[1/19]: if (you.religion = GOD_XOM) 14:51:36 ??epic_bugs[2] 14:51:36 epic bugs[2/19]: I think I may have just played one of these (like a gnoll castle, but with draconians). Is it supposed to have 200-300 draconians? Or is there an error with the monster generation? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4101 14:53:34 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 14:55:05 man, who *doesn't* love epic_bugs[1]? 14:55:47 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:56 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:18 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:01:29 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: a cautionary tale for the ages 15:01:53 I only hope to someday contribute a bug as good 15:02:11 I just pushed like 60something commits, surely there's something good in there! 15:03:07 also, update on formreform (adding a new form): it's certainly better than the old system, but I wish I'd been able to do something about form AC bonuses, and the duration struct system is a little too inflexible 15:03:07 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:13 aside from that it works pretty well. 15:04:29 why couldn't you do form AC bonuses right? 15:04:33 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:54 !learn e wheals[2] s/ambient noise, / 15:06:54 wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, leeches, give xtahua red drac breath (and clear out mon-abil as much as possible), make ghost crabs better :(, bring back plague shamblers (sorta), monster MR 15:06:55 !source _stoneskin_bonus 15:06:56 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l6300 15:06:59 wheals: ^ 15:07:34 why not just change the bonus to "give a bonus to statueform ac if you have stoneskin"? 15:07:51 i mean, ignoring LO 15:08:04 I can't ignore LO! 15:08:11 I wish I could ignore LO! 15:08:13 Let it gO 15:08:19 I think armour_class() has the very last switch(form) statement, btw 15:09:08 I mean, idk, it's probably not an unsolvable problem 15:09:14 but I haven't had the energy to crack it 15:09:33 i must be missing something, it looks simple enough to me 15:09:37 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:40 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:10:12 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-956-g65bd446: Add some lame sentences to descs of branches with non-0 ambient noise. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65bd446643c0 15:10:14 also don't forget to untangle the weird little block of code right before the switch 15:10:21 with dragonform draconian & gargoyle statueform ac 15:10:55 wheals: imho "travel further" is more accurate 15:11:07 versus, uh, "travel less far"? 15:11:18 anyway I think that'd probably be more helpful for players 15:11:23 "carry," maybe? 15:11:48 eh 15:11:58 so yeah, the function for TRAN_DRAGON would have a if (player_genus(GENPC_DRACONIAN)) += 1000 in it 15:12:02 and so on 15:12:49 also could get rid of the silliness of having "you." in a method of player at the same time 15:12:57 oo, bonus 15:13:07 I accidentally (almost?) added one of those the other day 15:13:18 I forget if I caught it before I pushed it or if I fixed it in the next commit 15:13:41 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:14:59 about the descriptions, if you want to improve them go ahead, i'm just not very good at writing then 15:15:01 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 15:15:04 s/n$/m 15:15:32 this is critical!!!! 15:15:44 THOUSANDS of players are reading those descriptions 15:15:47 as we speak!!!!!!!! 15:15:49 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:44 well, i assume that the player who reads descriptions will see them eventually 15:16:51 and maybe he/she will dislike them! 15:17:45 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/they #3 15:18:21 if i said "they" the joke i was making about us having only one player who reads descriptions would be less clear 15:18:32 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19:17 yeah I mean I'm gonna poke it when I get back 15:19:21 if I don't conk out immediately 15:19:29 (no, because it still refers back to "the player" and we certainly don't see any plural -s on "player" do we now) 15:19:48 wordpress update: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-30-september-2014#comment-1937 15:20:21 Bloaxor: yeah but you can read 'the player' as sort of a rhetorical 'anyplayer' rather than the joke of 'a specific player', and 'they' points the reader further in that direction, I think 15:20:29 imagine a frog, dissected 15:21:07 so like http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/3/0/2/13022.jpg except more frog? 15:21:45 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:36 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:47 I was making a metajoke 15:22:49 and now it is metaruined 15:23:39 more like metalruined imho 15:24:46 mm 15:24:54 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25:48 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 15:25:49 -!- ben__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:25:57 ru altars have yet to be added to sprint maps, right? 15:25:57 rockygargoyle: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:27:42 pretty impressive little demo if you remember that it was done by 15-16 year olds 15:29:01 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: correct 15:29:06 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: patches welcome! 15:29:11 i can't code 15:29:12 =/ 15:29:16 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: though maybe ru doesn't make sense? 15:29:25 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: fortunately you don't have to code to edit maps :) 15:29:40 if i figure out how to do it 15:29:47 i'll do it 15:29:49 i played with ru on zotdef 15:30:08 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: I'd check the piety/gift scaling at least 15:30:15 lasty was talking about that earlier, yeah 15:30:22 yeah 15:30:26 it's too slow atm 15:30:31 he suspected that the sacrifice timing & piety per sacrifice would have to be tweaked (up and down respectively) 15:30:40 that's for sprints, sorry 15:30:40 seems right 15:30:52 <|amethyst> If Lasty didn't deal with it explicitly, I'd imagine the gifts are too slow and piety per sac way too high 15:31:08 <|amethyst> since the piety gain would be multiplied 15:31:13 i can check it 15:31:19 sec 15:31:31 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: you can start by editing one of the maps to replace altar_gozag with altar_ru 15:31:39 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: or wizmode of course :) 15:31:44 ok 15:32:07 |amethyst: that's what I said!!!!! 15:32:22 wasn't there a wizmode command 15:32:22 well, what I said he said 15:32:25 you know 15:32:26 where you could get sacrifices? 15:32:30 &- 15:32:33 when following ru 15:32:42 thanks 15:32:49 <|amethyst> &- in general is "get a god gift" 15:33:05 yeah last time I was testing ru there was a special command 15:33:10 something like ctrl E 15:34:03 piety with sacrifice love went from 40 to 61 15:34:09 in linesprint 15:35:13 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 15:35:43 and from 10 to 38 with sacrifice drink on thunderdome 15:35:49 that doesn't seem right at all 15:36:23 <|amethyst> what would those usually give? 15:36:35 numbers like 15/20/30 iirc 15:37:50 numbers that can be divided by 5 15:37:58 i don't remember the word in english right now 15:38:18 <|amethyst> there isn't one 15:38:26 <|amethyst> "multiples of 5" 15:38:39 ah 15:39:29 so, do you have any idea on why this should happen? 15:40:41 <|amethyst> hm, no Faith? 15:40:48 <|amethyst> the multiplier is 9 so that's not it 15:40:57 sec 15:41:13 sac hand gives exactly 70 piety on a normal game 15:41:18 let me check that on a sprint 15:41:23 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:45 from 38 to 110 15:41:50 when sacrificing a hand 15:42:16 rockygargoyle | i don't remember the word in english right now 15:42:20 what's the word in another language? 15:42:33 probably related to hands... 15:42:43 mltiplo 15:42:47 in portuguese 15:43:02 probably a cognate of multiple 15:43:02 oh, you just meant the multiple part, not the of 5 15:43:45 <|amethyst> ah 15:43:49 -!- Ananias has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:43:54 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:43:56 <|amethyst> that's what I thought when I said "there isn't one" 15:44:12 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:25 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:54 <|amethyst> oh, I see why it doesn't use the multiplier 15:45:22 <|amethyst> It uses set_piety() 15:45:32 <|amethyst> also, it's intentional that the numbers aren't even multiples of 5 15:45:36 <|amethyst> // Randomize piety gain very slightly to prevent counting. 15:45:36 <|amethyst> int new_piety = you.piety + piety_gain + random2(3); 15:45:48 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:48 mm 15:45:49 good 15:46:09 <|amethyst> that was probably added since rockygargoyle last tested 15:46:16 interesting 15:46:21 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 15:46:51 <|amethyst> With most gods you'd have the timer or randomized costs to make up for it 15:47:06 <|amethyst> here you only have gain randomization as an option 15:48:11 actually if you go back a couple centuries you can find "a hand of..." etc. used in English 15:49:13 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:45 <|amethyst> geekosaur: you also have "dozen" for 12, but there's still not a generic word for "multiple of 12" 15:50:16 <|amethyst> a parallel to "even" 15:50:48 ru needs to be added to sprints, right? can I do it? 15:51:02 is it hard? because I never tried to do it 15:51:27 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: mostly it's a matter of finding a character the map doesn't use yet and a spot to put it 15:52:00 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/sprint/fedhas.des 15:52:01 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/fedhas.des;hb=HEAD 15:52:16 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: look at that and you can probably figure out what to do 15:52:43 seems pretty easy 15:53:00 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: in this case make KFEAT: U = altar_ru (T is already used for some trees in that temple) and edit the ASCII art map to place a U while still looking nice 15:53:21 <|amethyst> in some of the maps it's more difficult because you have to try pretty hard to find a free character 15:54:02 Thanks for doing it, rockygargoyle 15:54:02 Lasty_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:54:07 <|amethyst> (something that isn't in the map anywhere: checking KFEAT: isn't enough because most characters have default meanings) 15:54:15 %%git :/[Rr]emove [Mm]islead 15:54:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:54:21 %git :/[Rr]emove [Mm]islead 15:54:21 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3163-g0f74bc2: Remove misleadingly non-functional AT_SHOOT attacks 10(7 months ago, 4 files, 14+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f74bc222cbb 15:54:28 hmm not that one 15:54:37 It's definitely going to need some code support to not be terrible, tho' . . . 15:54:38 <|amethyst> %GIT :/[rR]emove Mislead 15:54:42 <|amethyst> %git :/[rR]emove Mislead 15:54:43 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1506-gf81fc34: Remove Mislead. 10(10 months ago, 36 files, 35+ 331-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f81fc34f7f4f 15:55:02 but do you do it by speeding up sacrifices, giving more piety per sacrifice, or a combination of the two? 15:55:12 wow. just remembered it was capitalized, |amethyst ? 15:55:12 <|amethyst> Remove Mislead 15:55:12 <|amethyst> ing commit messages 15:55:16 I don't think this map is being displayed properly here 15:55:19 -!- infiniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:20 Increasing piety per sacrifice means the benefits really outstrip the costs 15:55:25 Lasty_: pretty clearly the former 15:55:31 yeah, I think so 15:56:12 By default the sacrifice timer is 80. Presumably divide that by a factor similar to the factor by which piety is multiplied for other gods. 15:57:51 On the other hand, with near-infinite piety, all the other gods are super nuts -- maybe Ru should increase piety gain too (2x?) to try to match that increased power leve. 15:57:53 *levle 15:57:55 *level 15:59:09 only you can decide. 15:59:22 if you break sprint's carefully cultivated balance, everyone will be very disappointed in you. 16:00:12 averaged player damage makes high-str gsc ogres feel very punchy, mmm 16:01:10 <|amethyst> Lasty_: probably offering them 9 (or whatever) times as often makes sense 16:01:44 <|amethyst> Lasty_: so you get both piety and mutations more quickly 16:01:58 <|amethyst> but keep the same piety gain as currently 16:02:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:47 well, ru seems pretty strong on sprints and zot def 16:02:56 because many of the sacrifices will be trivial 16:03:27 maybe increasing the offering speed and reducing the sacrifices' piety will be best? 16:03:40 <|amethyst> and there isn't the resting penalty that (most) other gods have 16:03:47 yea 16:04:22 <|amethyst> what do you mean about being trivial? 16:04:26 well 16:05:05 you probably won't find many good evokables on a sprint (and even less on zotdef), so I consider sacrificing evocations on sprints to be trivial 16:05:35 you also won't get many books (at least in zot def before level 25) so, sacrificing arcana is kind of trivial too 16:06:16 also, stealth/sacrifice love is almost useless on sprints 16:06:24 but those are only my opinions 16:06:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:08:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:33 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:11:09 I mean, usually what makes Ru sacrifices so meaningful is that once you sacrifice something you have to deal with it on the whole game, and a sprint game is usually so short it doens't matter much 16:11:22 doesn't* 16:11:55 <|amethyst> hm... otoh it's easier to reskill in sprint because XP gain is 9x as high 16:12:37 <|amethyst> but I guess that point works both ways 16:13:01 <|amethyst> it's more likely you could have used that skill; but it's also easier to get a replacement skill 16:13:22 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13:53 <|amethyst> but I think you do have a point re how long you have to deal with it (and the frequency of some item types, but that could be changed) 16:13:57 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 16:14:28 some wands would be really nice in linesprint 16:14:37 s/some/certain 16:14:58 flame/cold/drain are great on linesprint 16:15:06 flame/cold/drain are great on linesprint 16:15:08 ops 16:15:18 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 16:15:21 i meant fire* 16:15:31 also lightning 16:15:45 because they can hit almost, if not all monsters in sight 16:16:30 this is one case where sacrificing evocations on a sprint would be interesting, and thunderdome can be other example 16:17:22 when felids couldn't use wands, thunderdome was terrible for them (if you didn't start a book background you would have no ranged attacks) 16:18:02 yeah, those were the wands I was thinking 16:18:06 so what do you think of felids in meatsprint 16:19:15 in what sense? 16:20:16 he is suggesting that thunderdome is not the worst sprint for felids 16:20:22 or even the worst arena-themed sprint for felids 16:20:38 I was talking about evocations 16:21:55 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:22:02 in the first levels of thunderdome the wands are really important 16:22:39 and felids couldn't use them, so it was really difficult compared to species that could use them 16:23:07 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:23:39 yes, felids suck, but that isn't my point, my point is that evocations matter more on some levels than on others 16:25:17 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:25:22 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:59 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:55 rockygargoyle, have you played meatsprint? 16:28:27 <|amethyst> actually, that "inside the belly of a whale" thing might make a better sprint than portal vault/branch 16:28:44 <|amethyst> s/whale/transdimensional abomination/ 16:28:59 I did 16:29:02 I won 16:29:03 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:06 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:57 <|amethyst> hm, what does the axe of woe do if you sac a hand? 16:30:04 let me chack 16:30:07 check* 16:30:12 <|amethyst> I imagine it stays 2H-for-your-race so screw you 16:30:27 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:34 there is only one altar on meatsprint 16:30:36 <|amethyst> not that anyone will be saccing anything but corpses in meatsprint 16:30:53 <|amethyst> yeah, it's an idle wizmode curiosity :) 16:31:44 <|amethyst> aha 16:31:59 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:03 <|amethyst> it depends on whether you sac a hand first or second 16:32:09 <|amethyst> you can't wield it in any case 16:32:29 <|amethyst> but if you sac a hand and then the artefact is generated, it will be a broad axe to "try" to fit 16:32:44 <|amethyst> if you sac a hand after it is generated, of course nothing happens 16:33:14 and you drop it on your backpack 16:33:16 <|amethyst> oh 16:33:19 <|amethyst> I guess a troll or ogre 16:33:23 and can't wield it anymore 16:34:47 if i understood it right, on fedhas mad dash there are 2 maps 16:35:05 one for the altars, and other for the rest of the game 16:35:19 so, to add a ru altar, I should edit only the first map? 16:35:45 <|amethyst> only the sprint_temple_map (the second one in the file) 16:35:54 ah 16:36:01 <|amethyst> and it should be the same overall size 16:36:09 <|amethyst> so it fits into the oooooo in the first map 16:36:18 <|amethyst> SUBVAULT: o : temple 16:37:17 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 16:38:06 If i understood this correctly, I should edit my \dat\des\sprint\fedhas.des and upload it when done? 16:39:28 this igni ipthes guy seems to make volcanoes really easy 16:39:52 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:30 !tell bh With mumra effectively gone, there is no one left who knows how hypervaults works. If all LUA was being converted to C++, those would probably be lost. 16:41:31 infiniplex: OK, I'll let bh know. 16:41:33 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 16:41:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:42:31 volcanoes also tend to make volcanoes really easy 16:42:35 also, what on earth is a hypervault 16:42:36 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: better is to make a patch, but you need some dev tools for that so uploading the file would be fine 16:43:00 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:43:27 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle: there's a mantis category for maps and vaults 16:45:02 -!- Orphic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:24 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:25 Hypervaults / hyper is the LUA code that generates the Vaults layouts. mumra wrote it, it is really complex, and I don't understand it, but it works. 16:46:33 is there a "guide" on how to edit maps? 16:46:37 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:47:05 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:maps 16:47:10 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47:25 yes, this is what I was looking for, thanks! 16:48:01 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:50:26 infiniplex: sounds like crawlcode 16:51:24 Fair enough. bh had suggested (probably about half-seriously) converting all LUA to C++ and I wanted to make sure he didn't. 16:52:37 bh suggests a lot of things all the time 16:53:07 So I can forget about it? 16:54:25 I personally would not worry about it 16:54:34 also, 6904: what obsoleted that ticket? 16:54:41 (ctrl-attacking) 16:54:59 -!- derGrimnebulin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:10 http://i.imgur.com/w9I7RIX.png 16:55:45 There was a bunch of discussion (elsewhere) and I thought it was decided to do nothing. I forgot to put anything at the time. 16:56:32 I think the dicusssion wis here (crawl-dev) but I am not sure anymore. 16:56:59 rockygargoyle: that's wonderful 16:58:05 By the way, I made (and posted) a patch for Mantis 8908. If I do that, should I post something here (crawl-dev)? 16:58:15 I didn't know orbs of fire had tiny arms which could be used to hold weapons, you learn something new every day 16:58:40 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:00:51 well, I get an email about it; possibly other devs do too 17:00:57 rockygargoyle: blame gammafunk 17:01:10 !blame gammafunk 17:01:10 I pronounce gammafunk... Guilty! 17:01:35 PleasingFungus: (ctrl-attack): they added a warning. 17:02:20 And thanks for telling me about the emails. I will worry less. 17:02:24 I remember some complaining about that warning, since it vaguely implies that ctrl-attacking next to allies is safe (no) 17:02:49 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 17:03:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:03:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:03:29 If someone wants to complain about that, its a new issue. 17:05:17 Is there a way I can find out how long (game time) a typical player spends in Tartarus? Ideally per level. 17:06:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:13 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:08:37 -!- hart has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:13:43 -!- hart has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:57 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: nachtli] 17:16:29 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:17:39 -!- CacoS has quit [] 17:17:43 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:20:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:41 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 17:24:57 !send wheals the terrible wrath of No God 17:24:58 Sending the terrible wrath of No God to wheals. 17:25:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:16 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-956-g65bd446 (34) 17:27:45 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:27:52 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:12 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:41 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:35:17 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:42 -!- infiniplex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:34 -!- Deviljho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:44 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:40:35 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:54 -!- Amnekian has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:57 Hey guys 17:43:17 Amnekian: who are you again? 17:43:22 <_< 17:43:22 Just wanted to say that this new view regarding monster info kicks a great deal of amounts of ass 17:43:27 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 17:43:34 I'm just a random player 17:43:57 Keep up the good work! 17:44:01 -!- Amnekian has quit [Client Quit] 17:46:58 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:53:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:07 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:29 well, that was kind of him. 17:54:40 gammafunk, I sent you an amazing and brilliant idea which should be implemented immediately. 17:54:54 PleasingFungus: do enlighten the rest of us 17:55:01 or you shall suffer the terrible wrath of No God 17:55:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:27 * Grunt calls down the wrath of NO GOD against NONEXISTENT FOE. 17:55:36 (I wish I could figure out how I produced that message :( ) 17:55:46 there's NO way you can figure it out 17:55:48 ha ha ha ha ha 17:56:11 also the idea was 'bopping dudes with summonstaff produces short-lived summonpals' 17:56:57 which I half want just for the 'pulling quokkas out of hats' vibe you'd get 17:57:14 )Hey Grunt, watch me pull a quokka out of my hat!) 17:57:16 ...again!? 17:57:36 nice parens 17:57:50 what 17:57:51 rip 17:57:51 :( 17:58:15 anyway I have no strong feeling for how strong summonstaff is right now 17:58:29 gammafunk: so how is summonstaff 17:58:34 (as our resident summoner) 17:58:42 oh, it's amazing 17:58:50 just as an enhancer, of course 17:59:25 do you ever use the 'abjure on hit' effect? 17:59:34 summoners tend to have abjure and need to use it at distance, and a good melee-summoner probably just melees the summoner I guess 17:59:43 no 17:59:57 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:00 but I only do pure summoners, which isn't optimal 18:00:20 interesting quandry I guess 18:00:28 who would use |summoning? 18:00:47 Probably more dedicated summoners really, since summonings isn't terribly sensitive to spell power 18:00:59 the enhancment is wonderful on dedicated summoners 18:01:09 so maybe anything though have them a bit more in mind? 18:01:16 it's a weird place for making the staff work in melee 18:01:25 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 18:01:26 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:53 yeah I still don't know how many chars would use it in melee, but it seems like it might be a more fun effect than the current one 18:02:11 re: shadow creatures staff, my concern is that it'd be so dang powerful, because shadow creatures 18:02:20 wait who was talking about shadowcreature staff 18:02:31 well what would it be, then? 18:02:35 a fixed monster set? 18:02:48 yeah probably, scaling from spammals to... something 18:03:01 -!- stump is now known as Guest60289 18:03:20 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:23 well in any case, it'd have to scale up to something nasty 18:03:36 dragons feel excessive 18:03:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140930030202]] 18:03:45 he says, then leaves 18:03:51 He's done with dragons for good! 18:04:35 no need for it to 18:04:37 !glasses 18:04:37 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 18:04:37 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:38 drag on 18:04:43 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:04:55 lastarraofdagon 18:05:10 dang 18:10:23 -!- hart has quit [Client Quit] 18:11:13 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:25 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:17:22 fr: dagonform?? 18:17:37 i guess that's just you.fishtail = true 18:18:49 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:20:41 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:23:08 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:23:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:30:33 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:36 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:30:47 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:31:14 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:12 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:32 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:47 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:34:22 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:34:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:15 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:42 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:01 how ridiculous would it be to put crabs on B 18:37:35 ??B 18:37:36 I don't have a page labeled B in my learndb. Did you mean: ', 6, be, d, q, qb, t, u, v, ©, ☡, 🌽, 🍕. 18:37:49 -!- Guest60289 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:53 ??' 18:37:53 swap slot[1/1]: Press = (equals key), and use it to re-letter two of your weapons to "a" and "b". Then press ' (apostrophe key) to swap between them! This is excellent for secondary things like missile weapons, rods, etc. If either slot is a non-wield item, the toggle will be between the opposing slot and unarmed. If not wielding slot a or b, ' will swap to a. 18:38:00 ??be 18:38:01 berserker[1/1]: A background that starts out worshipping Trog. Starts with a light weapon, animal skin, and enough piety to use Trog's berserk ability. 18:38:15 wheals: so a berserker crab? 18:38:23 also what is it with you and crabs! 18:38:30 give scorpions some love! 18:38:53 * wheals casts Crab Teleport! 18:39:08 did you mean, B the glyph? 18:39:15 yeah 18:39:16 and 18:39:17 anyway, it's for 18:39:21 %bug 534 18:39:21 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=534 18:39:24 !lg wheals s=tiles 18:39:25 3258 games for wheals: 3255x false, 3x true 18:39:37 You aren't allowed to change glyphs if you don't use them! 18:39:37 since crabs being with testudines/crocodilians is weird 18:39:44 ...what 18:39:53 you gammadunked up again 18:40:01 3x true 18:40:23 playing 3 tiles game does not a consoleless player make :P 18:40:33 that tain will never leave you 18:40:36 *taint 18:40:42 !lg gammafunk s=tiles 18:40:42 2285 games for gammafunk: 2092x false, 193x true 18:40:46 not summoners 18:40:48 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 18:40:49 don't count 18:40:57 if it's only on account of bugs does it count 18:40:59 !lg . s=tiles 18:41:01 1399 games for Grunt: 1398x false, true 18:41:09 oh maybe that was fixed??? 18:41:10 sorry, the one-tile rule 18:41:12 !lg . tiles 18:41:13 1. deathgrunt the Ruffian (L2 NaTm), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2013-04-10 17:46:18, with 58 points after 1190 turns and 0:02:34. 18:41:20 heh 18:41:50 !lg . cszo 1 18:41:51 1/848. SGrunt the Cloud Mage (L10 TeAE of Vehumet), slain by a blink frog on Lair:1 on 2012-08-13 16:37:45, with 4258 points after 13428 turns and 0:43:52. 18:41:52 anyway, i have a patch that makes all 'D's and 'k's cold-blooded, but not sure what to do about 't' 18:41:53 !lg . cszo 1 x=tiles 18:41:54 1/848. [tiles=false] SGrunt the Cloud Mage (L10 TeAE of Vehumet), slain by a blink frog on Lair:1 on 2012-08-13 16:37:45, with 4258 points after 13428 turns and 0:43:52. 18:41:56 good <3 18:42:28 maybe should nerf freezing brand effect a bit to go with it 18:43:14 !nerf wheals 18:43:14 * Sequell nerfs wheals!!! 18:43:26 I'm kind of waiting for an acid brand proposal to surface 18:43:29 I can feel it... 18:43:39 give in to your inner bcadren 18:43:45 I thought that was a common proposal :| 18:43:54 No, wheals. You are the bcadren. 18:44:11 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:30 And then wheals was a jotunn. 18:46:55 gammafunk: Tasonir already made one 18:47:38 was there a cheibriados reference at some point? 18:47:40 I hope so 18:48:18 Well, it was Tavern, so I'm sure someone made one 18:53:32 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:36 -!- velleity has quit [Client Quit] 18:57:51 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:26 At this point corrosion does do something interesting to monsters, so an acid brand would be less bad than ever before 18:59:33 my feeling is that giving players much access to acid damage is bad 18:59:55 mainly because the game isn't designed for it; almost nothing resists it, even monsters with rEverything (hell sentinels etc) 19:00:03 right now it's, what, fedhas and cloudord 19:00:06 *cloudrod 19:00:19 yellow dracs!!!!!!!!!! 19:00:24 it wouldn't have to do much (or even any) damage 19:00:39 rod of destruction 19:00:40 oh wait 19:00:50 I honestly expected you to push that weeks ago, wheals 19:01:17 Lasty: corrosion on monsters is also a little weird, since it only affects monsters with armour 19:01:18 I think 19:01:19 eek 19:01:29 If true, then yeah, never mind 19:01:46 I remember, right after newcorrosion was introduced, spending some time in wizmode (with other people) trying to figure out if we could giftdrop a robe for dispater 19:01:56 (no) :( 19:02:12 this was before mons item pickup was 'removed', ofc 19:03:51 spl-clouds.cc: In function ‘spret_type cast_big_c(int, spell_type, const actor*, bolt&, bool)’: 19:03:54 spl-clouds.cc:201:65: warning: ‘cty’ may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized] 19:03:55 Hell Sentinel (071) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 119-165 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny 5) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3263 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), melee, iron shot (3d33) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:03:55 %??hell_sentinel 19:04:03 anyway I worry that I have a bad habit of justifying existing mechanics without considering them sufficiently (e.g. monster distributions in pan, which I strongly suspect predate stone soup). but acid damage not being widely available to players is probably good 19:04:18 cast_big_c is a good function name 19:04:32 gammafunk: rEverything 19:04:49 Dispater (06&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 450 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9455 | Sp: sum.greater demon, crystal spear (3d35), iron shot (3d29), hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:04:49 %??dispater 19:04:49 haha, I didn't know they were magic immune 19:04:55 Ice Fiend (161) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-121 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2512(cold:18-53), 2512(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2892 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), s.torment | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:04:55 %??ice fiend 19:04:58 mm 19:05:02 wouldn't you just use x o? 19:05:06 for giving dispater a robe 19:05:09 no I mean 19:05:17 we were trying to figure out if players could do it 19:05:22 for the world's stupidest trick 19:05:42 (give him a robe and then have oklobs or something halve his ac) 19:06:33 well the fact is we just don't need more brands, but racid on monsters could be adjusted 19:06:38 but yeah we don't need it really 19:07:02 buff reaping brand imo 19:07:08 it's not like we have a lack of variety in weapon characteristics 19:07:17 bring back orc slaying 19:07:27 i cna't find any documentation on this other than looking at random people's rc in hopes of documentation by example, what does tile_player_tile take as input? 19:07:39 all orc slaying weapons are 'glowing' when un-id'd, to be consistent with tolkein's lore 19:07:41 read: input in what sense? 19:07:50 the syntax is tile_player_tile = mons:monster name 19:07:54 if i want to be monster x, where do i fidn the 19:07:56 ah 19:07:57 or tile_player_tile = tile:the_tile_name 19:07:58 okay thank you :) 19:08:20 the tile is only needed if you want to use a monster's variant tile or a non-monster tile 19:08:50 ??gammafunk 19:08:51 oh gammafunk 19:08:51 gammafunk[1/12]: TODO: infiniplex's elf:3 at low weight, mons_glyph player, tile_player_tile can use any tile and set offsets, moon wizlab, depths encompass 19:08:58 good, added that already 19:09:00 Oh so I can be a snozzcumber too, excellent... 19:09:00 !tell wheals spl-clouds.cc:201:65: warning: ‘cty’ may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized] 19:09:01 Grunt: OK, I'll let wheals know. 19:09:01 how does tile_player_tile interact with forms 19:09:09 read: you have always been a snozzcumber. 19:09:10 forms would override, or should 19:09:12 look into your heart. 19:09:16 Woah.. 19:09:22 gammafunk: okay, good, one less thing to worry about 19:09:24 if you look at the function you'll see that it can't be 19:09:30 GCC is not smart enough 19:09:45 not even sure if I've tested it 19:10:08 but whatever 19:10:20 time to use the cang compiler 19:10:20 cang 19:10:27 !send clang gammafunk 19:10:27 Sending gammafunk to clang. 19:10:28 ??clang 19:10:29 clang 19:10:41 cang (04Ω) | Spd: c | HD: i | HP: 666 | AC/EV: e/π | Dam: 999 | Res: sanity | XP: ∞ | Int: god | Sz: !!! 19:10:41 %??cang 19:10:41 cang 19:10:56 fr: ungcc 19:11:00 (it's clang!) 19:11:11 spectral gcc 19:11:16 if the G in gcc stands for GNU 19:11:19 imo zombie gcc 19:11:20 does that mean clang is unix 19:11:21 skeletal gcc 19:11:28 wheals: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 19:11:42 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-957-ge5d9b6b: Shut up the compiler (Grunt). 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5d9b6bc5701 19:11:53 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:56 good wheals 19:12:02 does that imply that Grunt is the compiler? 19:12:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140930030202]] 19:12:21 "Shut up the (Grunt) compiler" imo 19:12:41 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:01 TIL that it's actually grunt parsing those des files at startup 19:13:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:13:36 The compiler was grunting so i had to get it to shut up. 19:14:30 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:14:30 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 19:15:13 -!- codehero has quit [Excess Flood] 19:17:07 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:20:18 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:29 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 19:21:31 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:26:09 !lm . 19:26:10 10307. [2014-09-30 05:14:54] gammafunk the Sneak (L4 HESu of Sif Muna) became a worshipper of Sif Muna on turn 1378. (Temple) 19:27:04 !tell PleasingFungus I did lose an elf because of that spell memorization bug yesterday! My winrate!!! 19:27:05 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:27:52 -!- enigmoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:28:11 gammafunk: dang...... 19:28:57 %git :/memorization 19:28:58 07nagdon02 {doy} * 0.16-a0-181-g2625ad1: Do not display "Spell assigned to 'a'." at game start 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2625ad16af54 19:29:11 %bug 9001 19:29:11 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9001 19:29:41 anyone else get an error from that? 19:30:11 %git a30a7c 19:30:11 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4: Fix the auto-memorizing of starting spells 10(29 hours ago, 3 files, 17+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a30a7c4be053 19:30:30 9001 19:31:47 !lm . x=vlong 19:31:48 10307. [2014-09-30 05:14:54] [vlong=0.16-a0-900-gee12738] gammafunk the Sneak (L4 HESu of Sif Muna) became a worshipper of Sif Muna on turn 1378. (Temple) 19:32:03 !lm . vlong<0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4 19:32:03 10307. [2014-09-30 05:14:54] gammafunk the Sneak (L4 HESu of Sif Muna) became a worshipper of Sif Muna on turn 1378. (Temple) 19:32:04 !lg . vlong<0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4 19:32:05 2285. gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu), quit the game on D:1 (elethiomel_arrival_infinity_welcomes_careful_drivers) on 2014-09-30 05:05:57, with 0 points after 59 turns and 0:00:28. 19:32:10 !lg . vlong<0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4 -2 19:32:11 2284/2285. gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu), slain by an adder on D:2 on 2014-09-30 05:05:26, with 5 points after 385 turns and 0:03:45. 19:32:27 !lg . vlong<0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4 -3 19:32:28 2283/2285. gammafunk the Caller (L4 HESu), quit the game on D:4 on 2014-09-29 18:53:04, with 99 points after 1605 turns and 0:11:52. 19:32:34 !lg . vlong<0.16-a0-915-ga30a7c4 -4 19:32:34 2282/2285. gammafunk the Caller (L4 HESu), blasted by an orc priest (nerve-wracking pain) on D:4 on 2014-09-29 02:59:44, with 121 points after 1102 turns and 0:09:22. 19:33:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:13 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:38:34 gammafunk: imho blame nrook 19:38:53 !blame PleasingFungus 19:38:53 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 19:39:08 I blame all who live in his apartment 19:39:11 |amethyst: are you the person to poke to get trunk back on top of the list of online versions on cszo/cao 19:39:55 I wonder if I could do that myself 19:40:21 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 19:42:28 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:45 no you need access to the webserver config, and it needs a webtiles restart I think 19:45:02 but if you have admin access to cszo/cao, then yeah 19:45:39 webserver/config.py is where the usual configuration lives 19:45:48 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46:48 I wonder if I have access 19:47:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:35 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:48:36 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:55:53 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:58:57 -!- dgu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:59:59 -!- kekekela has quit [Client Quit] 20:01:59 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:43 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:26:04 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:59 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:08 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:58 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:19 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:32 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:37:09 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:20 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42:54 !bug 8477 20:42:55 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 20:44:41 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:55 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:55 any change things that cause you to not get a targetter when you expect one could be added to the default rc as force_more_message ? 20:53:57 such as 20:54:01 ??famous last messages[magical 20:54:01 famous_last_messages[14/20]: A magical barricade bars your way! 20:54:03 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 20:54:05 ??famous last messages[scrolls 20:54:05 famous_last_messages[4/20]: Magic scrolls do not work when you're silenced! 20:54:13 such as that one (for scroll of blinking) 20:56:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:53 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:59:18 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:25 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.3/20140923175406]] 21:03:30 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:05:18 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:32 -!- mp[crawl] is now known as magicpoints 21:10:33 batform always has the minimum possible hunger over time 21:10:48 I don't get it 21:11:13 -!- Mottikins_ is now known as Famott 21:11:30 they hibernate a lot maybe????????????? 21:15:14 mm 21:15:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:15:58 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 21:16:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:24:13 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:26:10 !seen doy 21:26:10 I last saw doy at Tue Sep 30 12:58:58 2014 UTC (13h 27m 12s ago) saying '"A mysterious force momentarily surrounds you"' on ##crawl-dev. 21:26:15 heh 21:29:19 good last message 21:29:53 !send deeper_in_gehennom Grunt 21:29:54 Sending Grunt to deeper_in_gehennom. 21:30:08 !send Astral wheals 21:30:08 Sending wheals to Astral. 21:30:20 !send C-SPLAT Grunt 21:30:20 Sending Grunt to C-SPLAT. 21:30:30 !send demigodhood wheals 21:30:30 Sending wheals to demigodhood. 21:31:05 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:42 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:41 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:48 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 21:34:41 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:36 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:54 -!- vissborg has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:42:10 is there any way I can get access to unannounced milestones, like entering Orc? 21:42:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140911064110]] 21:42:53 !lm * br.enter=orc 21:42:55 175591. [2014-10-01 02:40:31] tkappleton the Arsonist (L12 HuWn of Qazlal) entered the Orcish Mines on turn 30543. (D:11) 21:42:59 like so? 21:43:16 I mean, as they come, for my bot 21:44:00 I guessing there no easy way 21:48:33 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:33 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:53:20 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:13 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:10:43 -!- sobek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:17 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: zzzzzz] 22:23:09 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:24:50 Mgrd level generation error in ziggurat 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9001 by johnnyzero 22:24:59 oh no 22:25:01 our bug count is-- 22:25:03 *shot* 22:25:40 took a long time to hit that one. did you discourage reports? 22:27:05 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 22:27:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:56 that is a lot of !s 22:29:08 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:32:05 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:32:05 i remember seeing a message similar to that when i entered a zig with one on the stack 22:32:05 but nothing funny like that seems to have happened in this game 22:34:07 wheals: it was just preparing for the amount of !s from the lrd later on 22:40:09 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:40:14 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:13 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:32 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:45 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:48:21 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:49 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:49 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:52 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:03:55 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:11:01 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:15:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:19:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:39 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:22:52 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:26:00 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:06 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:07 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:34 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:49 !tell PleasingFungus what's up? 23:44:49 doy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 23:47:19 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:49:13 -!- AnnoyedKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:04 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:53:07 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:55:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:59:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host]