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I don't know this kind of error message, sorry 04:06:53 post in tavern if you need help 04:07:00 tavern? 04:07:36 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewforum.php?f=9 04:07:57 or wait ~8-12 hours so devs are awake in here, your decision 04:08:21 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:09:53 what timezone are the devs on? 04:10:14 almost all are US 04:10:27 ah 04:15:16 -!- PsiRedEye23 has quit [Client Quit] 04:28:57 soulfreshner: it looks like the types you are seeing errors for were deprecated for a while and finally got removed in 10.9 04:29:40 that is what I was suspecting, but I have the same issues on the macbook air running mavericks 04:30:48 soulfreshner: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1682304 04:30:48 …I guess it could have been removed in an update 04:31:04 (i meant osx 10.9, mavericks) 04:31:38 ah 04:32:44 my previous macbook was compiling just fine though, and it was running yosemite 04:32:56 it was stolen last week :( 04:33:08 oh yikes, sorry to heard that :/ 04:33:12 *hear 04:33:38 yosemite is the newest version? or a beta? 04:33:45 beta 04:34:02 it should get fully released this month still 04:34:52 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:37:27 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:37:31 -!- dvdjb7 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:38:07 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:05 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.2/20140917194002]] 04:41:01 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 04:42:35 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:44:19 I’m guessing sdl1.2 is getting a bit old now 04:44:50 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:01 it’s only a matter of time before the mac build breaks completely :( is there someone maintaining the mac build? 04:47:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:48 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:53 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:54:43 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00:19 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:02:00 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:03:35 -!- soulfreshner has left ##crawl-dev 05:07:43 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:12:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:16:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:42 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:38:38 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:42:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:12 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:37 -!- Harkenn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:58:40 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:59:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:31 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:05 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:11:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:13 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:15:10 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:16:10 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:19 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:23:11 hmm 06:23:17 migrating to sdl 2 would probably be a good idea 06:23:29 but I've never done a tiles build, personally 06:24:16 it should probably be less involved than migrating to lua 5.2 though 06:25:11 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:26:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:35:30 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:50 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 06:40:30 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-744-g710136b: Let felids wear two rings again 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=710136ba0e9b 06:50:41 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 06:51:11 -!- Reverie|Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:52:17 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:45 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:37 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:59:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:22 !source dist_range 07:00:23 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/externs.h;hb=HEAD#l100 07:00:49 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-745-g2d68714: Blocking two wizmode crashes with Ru and limiting Sacrifice Arcana 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 157+ 164-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d6871406cf6 07:00:54 !source mon-cast.cc:58988 07:00:55 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l58988 07:00:59 !source mon-cast.cc:5988 07:01:00 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l5988 07:01:24 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 07:01:24 Grunt: any idea what that line means? 07:02:42 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:08 Grunt: oh wow i'm dumb, i see now that it's a do-while 07:06:07 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:19:56 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Client Quit] 07:26:13 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:26:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29:57 !source spell_range 07:29:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l906 07:33:04 -!- mee_ is now known as mee 07:36:27 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:27 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:53 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:19 haha i am dumb twice over 07:39:34 i copied that over to someone else and made it a while without a 'do' 07:39:43 but forgot to remove the semicolon... 07:41:17 do { } while (c++ syntax is easy to fuck up) 07:43:20 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:43:31 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:54:22 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:59:37 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-746-g177158c: Make Legendary Destruction use mons_spell_beam (Cheibriados). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 45+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=177158c937a3 07:59:47 !tell |amethyst a fistful of monster changes: http://sprunge.us/ZgZX 07:59:47 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:02:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:03:17 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:03:25 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:03:33 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:40 Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 40, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 3029 | Sp: major destruction (3d27 / 3d20 / 3d22 / 3d24 / 3d28 / 3d25 / 3d6), spectral weapon, haste | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 08:11:40 <|amethyst> %??asterion 08:11:40 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:11:56 -!- Bollocks has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:11:58 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 133 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 17, 2007(trample) | 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(177), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 3799 | Sp: b.flame (3d38) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 08:11:58 <|amethyst> %??xtahua 08:12:15 lost soul (09*) | Spd: 13 | HD: 10 | HP: 12-37 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 07undead, evil, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 104 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 08:12:15 <|amethyst> %??lost soul 08:12:49 <|amethyst> !tell wheals monster changes pushed and running, thanks! 08:12:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 08:16:16 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:24:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:11 -!- TendaAway is now known as FatShack 08:31:16 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:22 -!- Isabel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:41:07 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:47:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:57:55 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:10:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:12:06 !messages 09:12:06 (1/1) rchandra said (1w 1d 11h 50m 8s ago): thanks - the cursed +3 ring mail "Plog" {rF+ MR+ Dex+1 Slay+5} 09:12:26 I should've gotten all of these :) 09:12:30 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:14:00 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:03 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:22 -!- LexAckson has quit [Client Quit] 09:26:49 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:33:55 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:39:49 Zaba: I've wanted to port to SDL2 for ages; the trick is figuring out exactly how :) 09:40:21 Grunt, it shouldn't be much of a problem if you disregard the android port 09:40:33 (sdl2 is supposed to actually have android support in itself, but I've heard mixed things about it) 09:41:21 Better than our current Android port, at least. 09:41:39 the API changes were mostly straightforward, IIRC, and there's http://wiki.libsdl.org/MigrationGuide 09:42:18 Grunt, it would be interesting to port local tiles to sdl2's render library, which has a software rendering backend (alongside opengl(es) and others) 09:42:25 but -that- would be a big task 09:43:24 I was starting to work on SDL2 at some point, and got something runnable; then neunon(?) chimed in and indicated he was doing the same and pointed out a few things I could be doing better and I kind of stalled. :) 09:43:33 heh 09:44:20 When I get over to my computer I'll check for that work and pass it along if you're interested. 09:44:45 I'm afraid that almost anybody would have more idea about sdl than me 09:45:12 my surface assessment that it's probably not -too- much work is probably out of whack ;p 09:50:29 Lasty_: around? 09:55:22 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:59:59 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:15 dpeg! 10:02:26 !tell Lasty Some simple Ru observations: (1) In the description: "stricken" rather than "striken"? 10:02:26 dpeg: OK, I'll let lasty know. 10:02:29 bhaak!! 10:02:56 what are you doing here in the middle of the day!?! 10:03:17 got some time :) 10:04:09 hey dpeg 10:04:10 I am 10:04:27 cool, so I don't have to !tell the other two 10:04:54 Lasty: (2) For sacrifice descripions (what you get from a!P etc.): there is a sentence common to all. I think it's best to seperate that one (so there are three paragraphs). 10:05:29 Oops, yeah, 1) is a typo 10:05:34 -!- Big_guy has quit [] 10:06:23 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:06:35 Lasty_: (3) in the mutation screen (A), I suggest to make the Ru-made changes colored differently. (If you already discussed and rejected this, ignore of course.) 10:06:51 2): "If you make this sacrifice, your powers granted by Ru will become stronger in proportion to the value of the sacrifice, and you may gain new powers as well." Is that the sentence you had in mind? 10:07:10 yes 10:07:11 dpeg: actually, discussed and accepted that idea, then forgot about it 10:07:16 hehe 10:07:28 !learn add ru_to_do fix typo "striken" 10:07:29 ru to do[2/2]: fix typo "striken" 10:07:47 !learn add ru_to_do break out "If you make this sacrifice, your powers granted by Ru will become stronger in proportion to the value of the sacrifice, and you may gain new powers as well." into new paragraph 10:07:48 ru to do[3/3]: break out "If you make this sacrifice, your powers granted by Ru will become stronger in proportion to the value of the sacrifice, and you may gain new powers as well." into new paragraph 10:08:09 !learn add ru_to_do remember to actually color Ru sacrifices 10:08:09 ru to do[4/4]: remember to actually color Ru sacrifices 10:08:24 Now I'll remember. :p 10:09:25 cool! 10:09:38 Lasty_: I hope I'll have more, less trivial ones in the future 10:09:49 I'm sure you will. :) 10:11:25 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:13:14 !send dpeg time 10:13:14 Sending time to dpeg. 10:13:21 !send dpeg taking it easy 10:13:21 Sending taking it easy to dpeg. 10:14:53 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 10:16:21 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:18:04 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:18:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 10:20:30 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:20:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23:53 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:30:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:43 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:46 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:40 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:04 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:44:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:38 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:07 -!- mopl_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:01:06 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:13 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:05:23 -!- zedzed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:10:45 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 11:23:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:24:53 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:26:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:01 so we're all agreed to totally remove mimics? good to hear 11:27:40 if I react, you have won 11:27:44 accordingly, I will say nothing at all. 11:27:50 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-747-geaeaf20: Don't expire invisible monster position indicators until the monster moves away. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eaeaf20ce881 11:27:57 you lose!!! 11:28:19 wheals: I didn't! 11:30:19 hm. interesting change 11:30:45 probably good 11:30:59 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:32:27 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:36:07 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:36:38 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:50:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51:14 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:41 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:56:07 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET Zero IRC Ver 2.9G] 12:01:21 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:04:49 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:15 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:07 Monkaria (L12 DrFi) ASSERT(in_diamond_int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed. (D:10) 12:10:18 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 12:12:07 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:12:16 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 12:14:48 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:33 How's the crawl-dev going? 12:16:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-747-geaeaf20 (34) 12:16:55 -!- tswett_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:56 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:17:51 -!- tswett__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:42 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:20 -!- tswett__ is now known as tswett 12:21:27 -!- tswett_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:48 Let's build... just as soon as git finishes installing, which is apparently supposed to take ten minutes. 12:29:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:29:52 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:44 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:38:01 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:17 -!- __Jeff has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:46:06 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:05:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:09:24 -!- sgun__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:10:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:15:48 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:16:21 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:30 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32:03 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:38:46 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:39 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:26 wheals: thanks for taking up the PleasingFungus sniping duty, I've been so busy recently 13:57:26 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:58:51 * Grunt wields the +15,+15 heavy crossbow "Sniper". 13:58:58 * Grunt fires a bolt. The bolt hits gammafunk!!!!!!!!!! 13:59:52 * gammafunk chuckles! He is already standing in Death's Doorway! 14:00:40 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00:48 -!- Philonous_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:01:00 gammafunk's time is quickly running out! 14:02:54 Is the option name "tile_player_tile" acceptable? 14:03:08 it's kind of annoying 14:03:45 maybe tile_use_player_tile is better, it's just kind of long 14:06:35 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:43 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:06:50 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 14:07:18 omg 14:07:26 it's 14:07:30 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:31 .gmap 14:07:36 54. Zazen the Impaler (L21 MfGl of Okawaru), blasted by an octopode crusher (iron shot) on Depths:3 (gammafunk_depths_water_palace) on 2014-09-22 06:20:13, with 300321 points after 60604 turns and 12:53:18. 14:07:37 .crushed 14:07:38 47. Zazen the Impaler (L21 MfGl of Okawaru), blasted by an octopode crusher (iron shot) on Depths:3 (gammafunk_depths_water_palace) on 2014-09-22 06:20:13, with 300321 points after 60604 turns and 12:53:18. 14:07:44 A double-kill 14:07:51 Grunt: I always die after your hints :) 14:07:57 * Grunt cackles! 14:08:07 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:08:15 One on a speedrun, grunt told me to exit pan and go visit a stash 14:08:24 *Once 14:08:42 !hs * HE-- -2 14:08:43 181031/181032. PurpleRed the Archmage (L27 HEFE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-12-06 11:45:57, with 29901737 points after 49425 turns and 22:07:26. 14:08:46 !hs * HE-- -3 14:08:47 181030/181032. gammafunk the Genius of the Arcane (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-10-19 22:10:40, with 24084354 points after 61517 turns and 17:44:43. 14:08:52 It was that game I think 14:09:01 !lg gammafunk heie turns=61517 -log 14:09:02 1. gammafunk, XL27 HEIE, T:61517: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20131019-221040.txt 14:09:09 I don't log chat 14:09:14 rip 14:09:32 oh wait 14:09:33 yeah I did 14:09:34 !lg dpeg 14:09:35 2084. dpeg the Digger (L4 FoEE), slain by a gnoll (a +0 spear) on D:2 on 2014-09-22 16:06:02, with 75 points after 1472 turns and 0:03:13. 14:09:36 that was an old game 14:10:19 maybe it was a different game then 14:10:31 !lg dpeg god=ru 14:10:32 1. dpeg the Geomancer (L10 FoEE of Ru), blasted by a gargoyle (stone arrow) on D:13 on 2014-09-22 15:15:05, with 2862 points after 8858 turns and 0:26:25. 14:11:02 !lg devteam 14:11:03 58280. wheals the Fighter (L9 HuAr), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 mace) on D:6 on 2014-09-22 18:57:45, with 1534 points after 7120 turns and 0:14:40. 14:11:10 !lg devteam recent s=name 14:11:11 2742 games for devteam (recent): 960x gammafunk, 816x Neil, 284x wheals, 123x PleasingFungus, 112x dpeg, 96x bh, 87x MarvinPA, 54x SGrunt, 38x ontoclasm, 38x Medar, 31x 78291, 30x elliptic, 29x doy, 18x Napkin, 14x rax, 6x greensnark, 3x Keskitalo, mumra, erisdiscordia, rob 14:11:13 dang 14:11:31 look who all you pinged! 14:11:37 :( 14:11:42 maybe mumra will return :) 14:11:53 ...there are some surprising names on that list 14:11:56 !lg rob x=cv 14:11:57 2250. [cv=0.14] rob the Summoner (L16 CeSu of Ashenzari), demolished by a deep troll on Depths:1 on 2014-04-17 09:10:41, with 153372 points after 71511 turns and 8:51:41. 14:12:06 !lg erisdiscordia x=cv 14:12:07 1771. [cv=0.14] erisdiscordia the Ruffian (L6 TrBe of Trog), mangled by an orc warrior (a +0,+0 scimitar) on D:6 on 2014-08-23 19:37:14, with 801 points after 3887 turns and 0:17:42. 14:12:19 both of those predate me by some time I think? 14:12:26 I recognize rob from high scores I think 14:12:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_lunch 14:12:28 !hs rob 14:12:29 2250. rob the Executioner (L27 MDFi of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2009-01-23 00:24:25, with 33813486 points after 43248 turns and 9:31:56. 14:12:33 yeah of course! 14:12:39 rob had the Fi score for quite a while 14:12:50 that only got beaten in the last 8 mo. or so 14:13:06 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:04 Alright fine, we rewrite those classes to just use procedural logic, so then we can use switch/case more pervasively 14:14:11 good dev chat 14:14:22 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Client Quit] 14:14:23 * Grunt fires a bolt. The bolt hits PleasingFungus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14:14:34 gammafunk: Erik founded DCSS, together with Darshan, the green snark. 14:14:39 oh wow 14:14:54 what's wrong with red snarks, anyway???? 14:14:56 Erik is erisdiscordia I assume? 14:14:59 gammafunk: yes 14:15:06 !seen erisdiscordia 14:15:06 Sorry gammafunk, I haven't seen erisdiscordia. 14:15:10 !lg * map~~erik 14:15:11 19787. Jazar the Hoplite (L9 MiFi of Jiyva), shot by a centaur (arrow of dispersal) on D:8 (erik_lair_dragon) on 2014-09-22 18:20:11, with 3477 points after 8632 turns and 0:28:57. 14:15:12 !lg * map~~erik s=map 14:15:13 19787 games for * (map~~erik): 4711x erik_entry_cave_to_civilisation, 2499x erik_entry_gehennom, 2447x erik_entry_orb_chamber, 1821x erik_entry_blinker_ship, 775x erik_orc_2, 643x erik_orc_3, 632x erik_arrival_cave_to_civilisation, 595x erik_entry_triangle_small, 548x erik_orc_1, 515x erik_orc_4, 468x erik_arrival_orb_chamber, 461x erik_lair_island, 443x erik_arrival_gehennom, 420x erik_lair_drago... 14:15:18 ah, neat 14:15:32 blinker_ship....sounds promising 14:15:33 oh that reminds me 14:15:36 Hey, add me to the devteam nick -- I'll bring some stats up a little 14:15:38 what's the rcfile option for logging chat? 14:15:41 !nick devteam Lasty 14:15:41 !lg devteam / won 14:15:42 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman sage wheals gammafunk reaverb pleasingfungus 78291 lasty 14:15:42 1432/58280 games for devteam: N=1432/58280 (2.46%) 14:15:47 oops 14:15:53 haha, too late 14:15:54 !nick devteam -rm Lasty 14:15:57 !lg devteam / won 14:15:58 1463/58483 games for devteam: N=1463/58483 (2.50%) 14:16:01 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 14:16:02 !nick devteam Lasty 14:16:02 Deleted lasty from devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman sage wheals gammafunk reaverb pleasingfungus 78291 lasty 14:16:03 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman sage wheals gammafunk reaverb pleasingfungus 78291 lasty 14:16:03 Orrrr not 14:16:04 good 14:16:17 ha our winrate went up 14:16:17 can you do this in ##crawl-sequell 14:16:20 !lg Lasty / won 14:16:21 31/203 games for Lasty: N=31/203 (15.27%) 14:16:23 wheals: we're done now <_< 14:16:28 Grunt: Grunt Grunt 14:16:28 how did the winrate go down when I joined? 14:16:38 * Grunt grunts, as Grunt often does. 14:16:45 oh, that's because you're terrible at crawl 14:16:49 we can't all be gammafunk 14:16:52 brutal 14:16:52 Lasty_: it went up from 2.46% to 2.50%! 14:16:57 PleasingFungus: note_chat_messages = true and note_dgl_messages = true 14:16:58 !won gammafunk cv=0.15 14:16:59 gammafunk (cv=0.15) has not won in 462 games. 14:17:02 * Lasty_ hangs his head while Charlie Brown music plays. 14:17:03 hm 14:17:09 I have my own win criterion 14:17:12 Grunt: Oh, I thought that was the other way around 14:17:23 potatolizard: ty! 14:17:30 I should have asked that in ##crawl but I am MEGA lazy 14:17:39 wow, devteam has played fifty-eight thousand games of crawl 14:17:52 !lg devteam !boring / won 14:17:53 1463/52724 games for devteam (!boring): N=1463/52724 (2.77%) 14:18:14 And only six thousand of those were boring. :p 14:18:17 !gamesby devteam 14:18:18 devteam has played 58483 games, between 2006-12-03 22:58:17 and 2014-09-22 18:57:45, won 1463 (2.5%), high score 52436210, total score 4986417727, total turns 580293413, play-time/day 14:58:22, total time 4y+318d+16:03:47. 14:18:24 !lg devteam boring s=name 14:18:25 5759 games for devteam (boring): 1338x KiloByte, 830x Neil, 812x gammafunk, 550x Napkin, 383x wheals, 285x MarvinPA, 231x sorear, 195x bookofjude, 183x bh, 180x dpeg, 144x 78291, 126x rob, 78x ontoclasm, 73x erisdiscordia, 65x evilmike, 59x HangedMan, 57x SamB, 26x haranp, 22x pointless, 17x Sage, 16x greensnark, 15x elliptic, 13x PleasingFungus, 11x rax, 10x evktalo, 7x Lasty, 7x mumra, 5x itsmu,... 14:18:27 amazing, I still have fewer games than wheals 14:18:36 total time, almost 5 years 14:18:48 no wonder we never get anything implemented 14:18:53 doy: pathetic imo 14:18:54 (: 14:18:59 doy: should be at least eight years or so??? 14:21:06 !lg devteam 1 14:21:07 1/58483. rax the Skirmisher (L5 TrBe of Trog), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:4 on 2006-12-05 23:21:06, with 292 points after 1381 turns and 0:20:13. 14:21:07 Grunt: in that case, I'll see you in three years. 14:21:16 that's the first game on the server probably 14:21:22 Lasty_: by then it needs to be at least eleven years!!! 14:21:25 !lg * src=cao 1 14:21:25 well the problem is by then there'll be three more years 14:21:26 1/1559858. Eidolos the Magician (L1 OMWz), slain by a gnoll (a flail of protection) on D:1 on 2006-12-02 23:47:10, with 20 points after 15 turns and 0:00:04. 14:21:30 doy: it's pathetic because the Nethack devteam is counting dev playing time in centuries. And we have no chance of catching except for violent, blind developer subscription! 14:21:31 !lg * 1 14:21:32 oh Eidolos died first 14:21:33 1/3602282. Eidolos the Magician (L1 OMWz), slain by a gnoll (a flail of protection) on D:1 on 2006-12-02 23:47:10, with 20 points after 15 turns and 0:00:04. 14:21:34 that jerk 14:21:39 Then you better recruit a second person to help w/ that. 14:21:41 !lg * 2 14:21:43 2/3602283. Testing the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), got out of the dungeon alive on 2006-12-03 00:27:17, with 256 points after 45 turns and 0:00:16. 14:21:46 !lg * 3 14:21:47 3/3602283. Eidolos the Stinger (L4 HuVM), slain by a gnoll on D:1 on 2006-12-03 01:18:35, with 116 points after 1310 turns and 0:07:07. 14:21:50 heh 14:21:52 mmmmmmm 14:21:57 !lg * 4 14:21:58 4/3602283. duke the Ruffian (L6 TrBe of Trog), shot by a centaur (arrow) on D:8 on 2006-12-03 17:34:10, with 470 points after 1628 turns and 0:24:37. 14:22:08 -!- eoc has quit [Quit: They are in love. Fuck the war.] 14:22:08 rax, you've been outclassed :) 14:22:23 well Testing was me 14:22:25 but point :P 14:24:17 .crushed -tv 14:24:17 47. Zazen, XL21 MfGl, T:60604 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 14:29:21 !lg * start<20070101 s=name 14:29:21 2801 games for * (start<20070101): 359x Maurog, 278x mr0t, 271x silvan, 166x tails, 108x duke, 97x jmr, 91x mercury, 79x b0rsuk, 76x huberth, 75x tapin, 75x sawtooth, 73x ekiM, 68x ekaterin, 62x Azeral, 55x doy, 53x IanKeith, 50x ike, 47x Eidolos, 45x Shiori, 42x haranp, 41x Archibald, 38x cbus, 38x Dust, 37x rax, 33x qbert, 32x greensnark, 32x Stabwound, 26x Xarann, 25x neleai, 22x Own, 18x Aaron... 14:32:40 !lgr devteam s=name 14:32:41 t-r seems to allow a shroom to move when it can see something 14:32:41 62703 games: 10453x KiloByte, 9538x Neil, 6147x 78291, 3393x sorear, 3225x wheals, 2965x MarvinPA, 2236x gammafunk, 2206x rob, 1824x dpeg, 1611x bh, 1398x SamB, 1360x bookofjude, 1358x SGrunt, 1213x hyperbolic, 1179x Napkin, 1020x rax, 911x HangedMan, 910x doy, 893x erisdiscordia, 866x pointless, 584x evilmike, 575x itsmu, 532x greensnark, 486x ontoclasm, 482x elliptic, 448x EatEverythingOfYou, 43... 14:32:49 !cmd !lgr 14:32:49 Command: !lgr => !lg $(recursive_expand_nick (name_fixup ${1:-.}) 2) $* title:"$n games" 14:33:09 who is eateverythingofyou 14:33:18 !nick eat 14:33:18 Mapping eat => eat 14:33:22 -!- Orin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:22 !nick ontoclasm 14:33:22 Mapping ontoclasm => pseudoclasm ontoclasm eat phytoclasm pyroclasm samuelljackson 14:33:30 i think that was erik? 14:33:39 maybe? 14:33:56 !nick erisdiscordia 14:33:56 Mapping erisdiscordia => erisdiscordia horrormuchshow eateverythingofyou sanslutte mojipittan jennysdischothequa 14:33:59 yeah 14:34:19 i think that was when he was trying foodless spriggans 14:34:20 or something 14:34:21 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35:44 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:36:40 doy: yeah, I recall 14:37:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:37:41 -!- DrKe_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:12 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:42:39 hm. nethack team has playtime in centuries? 14:42:43 crawl is anti-nethack 14:42:45 so 14:42:49 clearly devs need to stop playing entirely 14:42:57 I will begin, as follows: 14:43:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140919030202]] 14:43:53 rip Pl 14:43:55 easingFungus 14:43:59 (rip my typing) 14:44:34 Plutonian easingFungus? 14:46:50 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:25 Are you sure? I heard crawl is just a nethack fork 14:47:43 !rip PleasingFungus 14:47:54 PleasingFungus the Slayer (L27 MiNe), worshipper of Makhleb, mangled by a bone dragon on Zot:3, with 729317 points after 84056 turns and 7:34:13. 14:48:08 who slays the slayers? 14:48:41 !cmd !rip 14:48:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:42 Command: !rip => .echo $(name_fixup ${1:-.}) $(let* (char (=rip.char $1 $*) title (=rip.title $1 $*) xl (=rip.xl $1 $*) god (=rip.god $1 $*) vmsg (=rip.vmsg $xl $*) place (=rip.place $xl $*) points (=rip.points $xl $*) turns (=rip.turns $xl $*) time (=rip.time $xl $*)) (ripformat $char $title $xl $god $vmsg $place $points $turns $time)) 14:48:49 oh 14:48:54 !rip !rip 14:49:12 !rip . 14:49:21 don't break the poor bot :D 14:49:34 !rip the Hoplite (L12 NaFi), worshipper of Cheibriados, slain by an orc warrior (a +1,+1 dire flail of protection) (led by an orc warlord) on Orc:3, with 23041 points after 18776 turns and 1:18:03. 14:49:56 -!- DrKe_ is now known as drke 14:49:59 gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu), worshipper of Sif Muna, blasted by Gastronok (the air) on D:11, with 7820 points after 11419 turns and 0:20:50. 14:50:25 wow I don't even remember dying to gastro 14:50:34 it is random 14:50:35 do you know how !rip works 14:50:41 no 14:50:43 what does it do 14:51:00 hell if i know 14:51:06 it just queries all possible death and builds a random one on the basis of your last milestone 14:51:23 Yeah I was confused by d:11 and 11419 turns 14:51:27 also the command was built today 14:51:44 I'm like, how did I not quit this game 14:52:34 !lg . HESu xl=11 max=turn 14:52:34 33. gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by Jorgrun (Lee's Rapid Deconstruction) on Swamp:4 on 2014-07-09 06:01:08, with 14842 points after 9859 turns and 1:23:27. 14:53:04 lair:3 fire crab, cute 14:55:10 -!- drke is now known as DrKe 14:55:25 !rip . 14:55:52 doy the Cleaver (L10 VSBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a yaktaur captain (the +7 long sword "Klujyomo" {slice, Noisy +Blink MR++}) on Abyss:1, with 3042 points after 2603 turns and 0:19:46. 14:56:25 !rip 14:56:36 elliptic the Arsonist (L18 KoWn), worshipper of Ru, demolished by a very large slime creature on Abyss:1, with 218355 points after 62991 turns and 9:11:23. 14:56:56 wow, going out to a slime creature 14:56:57 !lm . x=dur 14:56:58 40641. [2014-09-17 23:34:40] [dur=3:12:11] circular the Arsonist (L18 KoWn of Ru) killed Frances on turn 46785. (Snake:4) 14:57:03 I have 6 hours to go 14:57:11 heh 14:57:18 amazing, it predicts the future! 14:57:21 also it got the name wrong 14:57:23 bug IMO 14:57:45 !rip circular 14:57:56 circular the Arsonist (L18 KoWn), worshipper of Ru, blasted by a merfolk aquamancer (ball of steam) on Shoals:3, with 172433 points after 38729 turns and 2:23:06. 14:59:33 -!- sean_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:59:38 !source mon-grow.cc 14:59:38 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-grow.cc;hb=HEAD 15:00:11 -!- sean_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:35 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 15:01:16 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 15:01:19 is it just a coincidence that i'm not getting messages that my merc looks stronger? or did the changes make it not possible for them to level up? 15:01:26 if so, that would be a bug i think 15:02:37 oh, never mind 15:02:45 just chance 15:03:19 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04:12 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:22 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:45 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:52 -!- amalloy_lunch is now known as amalloy 15:05:14 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:55 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:37 -!- hauzer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:24 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:23 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:48 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:57 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:28 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:21:33 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:21:49 Ladykiller69 (L26 MiFi) ASSERT(is_valid_shaft_level()) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 5948 failed. (Zot:4) 15:22:52 hrm, for option parsing if I'm going to allow something like mons:monster_name in my option 15:23:06 do I need to allow for space before/after the colon in my parsing? 15:24:31 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:29:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:34:21 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:22 -!- Amnekian has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:37:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: doesn't hurt, and split_string strips spaces around the delimiter by default 15:37:16 ah, that's good 15:38:16 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:39:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:25 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:44:47 !tile_player_index 15:44:51 !function tile_player_index 15:44:52 Couldn't find tile_player_index in the Crawl source tree 15:44:53 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:55 hrm 15:44:59 bool result = binary_search( 15:44:59 lc.c_str(), &player_name_pairs[0], num_pairs, &strcmp, idx); 15:45:03 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:36 that's what this function does; I assume idx (which is passed to the calling function through a pointer) gets the second pair item as a value? 15:47:04 -!- titanjones has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:47:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk: how is idx defined here? 15:47:50 it's bool tile_player_index(const char *str, tileidx_t *idx) 15:47:50 so that as a function argument 15:47:59 and str goes into lc, but passed through lower case 15:48:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ah, okay 15:48:16 I'm trying to get the tile enum from the description string 15:48:32 from what I could read of the des code, this seems to be how it's done 15:48:53 but the binary_search c++ reference I'm looking at doesn't cover this more complicated case 15:49:07 <|amethyst> this isn't C++ standard binary search 15:49:16 yeah, would make sense then 15:49:20 <|amethyst> !source binary_search 15:49:22 Couldn't find binary_search in the Crawl source tree 15:49:27 rip 15:49:35 <|amethyst> rltiles/tiledef_defines.h 15:50:05 *result = arr[half].second; 15:50:06 <|amethyst> and, yes, the last argument (which cannot be null) receives the second of the matching pair 15:50:37 smy other question was if there is no match, is the value modified 15:50:43 it seems that the answer is that no it isn't 15:51:11 <|amethyst> seems so 15:51:55 <|amethyst> BTW, if player_name_pairs has the appropriate type, I think you should be able to write bool result = binary_search(lc.c_str(), &...) 15:51:58 <|amethyst> without the <> 15:53:02 <|amethyst> Since it should be able to infer the rest from the type of the pair (though I guess there might be constness issues) 15:53:12 hrm, yeah 15:53:13 well 15:53:23 This file has been automatically generated. 15:53:25 at the top 15:53:33 so I don't know where the actual code is 15:53:55 <|amethyst> rltiles/tool/tile_list_processor.cc 15:54:02 <|amethyst> is what generates it 15:54:37 ...wow, just all encoded in there as a big old string 15:54:42 that's fun 15:54:51 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 15:55:33 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 15:56:55 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:55 !function tile_list_processor::write_data 15:56:56 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:56 Couldn't find tile_list_processor::write_data in the Crawl source tree 15:57:07 -!- axecop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:13 !source rltiles/tool/tile_list_processor.cc:871 15:57:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/tool/tile_list_processor.cc;hb=HEAD#l871 15:58:52 !tell PleasingFungus For your enjoyment, meta-code: !source rltiles/tool/tile_list_processor.cc:1056 15:58:52 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:00:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:47 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:03:49 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 16:03:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:03:52 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:03 !rip warrigal2 16:06:16 Anyway. 16:06:30 warrigal2 the Sneak (L1 NaEn), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0,+0 club) on D:1, with 6 points after 28 turns and 0:01:52. 16:06:44 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:07:42 Sequell: thou paunchy dread-bolted scut. 16:07:57 tswett: Quit, thou tasty snack! 16:08:46 I'm just getting started. 16:09:00 Do I have GCC installed on this machine yet... 16:11:09 "sudo yum install all those things I wish every Linux distribution came with to begin with" 16:11:42 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 16:11:57 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:14:09 -!- Orin is now known as UncertainKitten 16:22:52 !lg * place=d:1 xl>20 16:22:52 12. Undo the Commander (L27 HOCK of Okawaru), blasted by Ykumu the pandemonium lord (Olgreb's Toxic Radiance) on D:1 (lightli_arrival_quake) on 2014-09-14 10:36:36, with 744284 points after 84128 turns and 8:50:03. 16:24:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:34 Ah, I just had a stupid thought. What if instead of having all this package management stuff to deal with, you could just download an installation of an application and apply it to the system like a big patch? 16:24:42 'Course, that's what package management *is*. 16:25:13 doy: 12 of them :) 16:25:50 !lg * place=d:1 xl>20 s=cv 16:25:51 12 games for * (place=d:1 xl>20): 2x 0.14-a, 2x 0.13-a, 2x 0.14, 0.12, 0.12-a, 0.15-a, 0.11, 0.16-a, 0.15 16:26:23 since Pan lords chime in 16:26:37 have pan lords only generated since 0.11? 16:27:49 hm, too long ago, I cannot vouch for it :) 16:30:22 it doesn't help that sequell counts ghosts as pan lords in ckiller 16:30:53 !lg * ckiller=a_pandemonium_lord place=d 16:30:58 46370. Grim the Ruinous (L4 DrCj), blasted by Zurvan's ghost (orb of energy) on D:3 on 2014-09-22 21:27:18, with 100 points after 3414 turns and 0:17:04. 16:32:36 -!- Dharmy has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 16:34:43 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:16 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:52 -!- mee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:37:56 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:38:17 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:38:32 Spriggan in statue form has 1.5mindelay 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8983 by Le_Nerd 16:38:38 -!- Jho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:55 1.5 aut? 16:42:11 oh, heh he meant move delay 16:44:37 is Ru not in sprint maps because nobody has added it yet, or because the piety doesn't work (in which case why is Ash there?) 16:46:54 ... or because I'm playing 0.15 accidentally, that might be another bug 16:48:06 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:13 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:18 !tell johnstein you changed the label on cbro to say Trunk, but the main menu P and S buttons still start you in 0.15 16:48:18 rchandra: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 16:49:52 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52:49 %git :/[sS]haft 16:52:49 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-730-g7c65259: Handle vaults placing shafts in branch ends more gracefully. 10(27 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c65259dd833 16:52:50 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:54:02 hm, qw hit a crash "ASSERT(is_valid_shaft_level()) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 5948 failed" (offline) 16:54:32 when entering swamp:4 16:54:50 !crash 16:54:51 8251. Ladykiller69, XL26 MiFi, T:53046 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Ladykiller69/crash-Ladykiller69-20140922-202147.txt 16:54:58 like that one? 16:55:07 -!- CacoS has quit [] 16:56:34 my stack trace looks a bit different 16:57:38 but yeah 16:59:16 <|amethyst> hm 16:59:20 <|amethyst> what vault? 16:59:37 <|amethyst> some vault that can place on Swamp:4 specifies a shaft trap, and it shouldn't 17:00:17 -!- WilliamSyler has quit [Client Quit] 17:02:01 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:02:28 Vault being placed: wheals_swamp_sinkhole 17:02:41 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 17:02:42 !!! 17:02:44 good wheals adding an ASSERT that hits his own vault 17:03:09 -!- mee is now known as Guest39096 17:04:10 do we have Swamp:$-1 17:04:54 I could write Swamp:1-3 but then it would break when we finally shrink swamp (can we shrink swamp?) 17:04:57 <|amethyst> hm 17:05:15 (so !Swamp:$-1 would be sort of nice) 17:05:33 <|amethyst> I kind of think that check shouldn't apply to known shafts 17:05:42 <|amethyst> since we don't prevent hatches down in similar situations 17:05:45 shrink swamp horizontally not vertically :P 17:05:47 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: man schläft] 17:06:41 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-747-geaeaf20 (34) 17:06:59 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:04 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:09 |amethyst: that sounds reasonable 17:07:24 -!- WilliamSyler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:59 <|amethyst> the vault in the crash doy linked still needs fixed though 17:09:11 <|amethyst> working on both 17:11:48 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:38 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:15:55 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 17:18:23 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20:06 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:11 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:13 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:15 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:32 -!- Whistling_Beard has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:03 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:31:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:26 -!- drke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:02 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:15 -!- drke_ is now known as DrKe 17:37:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-748-g987e253: Unbreak hangedman_spider_trapstep on Zot:4. 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=987e2532205f 17:37:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-749-gf0bc162: Allow placing known shafts on runebranch:$ 10(16 minutes ago, 3 files, 16+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0bc162f3b8e 17:37:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-750-gf0445d7: Remove an unused argument. 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0445d798ce1 17:38:18 dpeg: rip 17:38:48 dpeg, I have a question about general god design goals. It's desirable for gods to have active abilities compared to passive benefits, right? 17:39:31 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 17:39:37 Actually, if any of you are familiar with the design ethos and can answer it, feel free. I just wanted a quick confirmation 17:40:43 |amethyst: thanks for the fixes, i never thought about the branch:$-1 thing 17:41:26 <|amethyst> Brannock__: some gods are deliberately passive 17:41:32 <|amethyst> Brannock__: to make them simple to play 17:41:50 <|amethyst> Brannock__: ashenzari and vehumet for example are mostly passive 17:42:07 Even Ashenzari has scrying and xp transfer, and those are pretty meaty abilities 17:42:11 Memorable 17:42:26 Vehumet, not so much. Though granting you three super nukes at the end is memorable 17:43:04 <|amethyst> and Xom of course :) 17:43:04 I'd actually forgotten about Ashenzari, thanks 17:43:19 Going to change around how I phrase some of this stuff, then 17:43:33 <|amethyst> Beogh is kind of passive too 17:44:00 <|amethyst> (except that recall is something you'd use pretty often) 17:44:26 Grunt: no worries. I hope nobody realised that I was rummaging around in a sea of dangerous V:5 monster in order to ... find that damn golden dragon corpse. (Trove duties!!!) 17:44:40 Brannock__: I wouldn't say it like that, no. 17:45:44 IMO ideally gods have a mix of passive and active abilities 17:45:48 Brannock__: Ashenzari was intended to be a non-intrusive god. Yes, Ash has two active powers, but you play your game without pushing many god buttons. Compare Okawaru, Elyvilon (and any sacrificing god, really). 17:45:56 take okie as an example, though. Heroism is better than Okawaru just "silently" buffing all your skills a bit 17:46:05 is it? 17:46:11 the ash skill boost is passive and works well 17:46:15 I think it is. Ashenzari works too 17:46:20 You have to actively curse yourself to incur the bonuses 17:46:31 well more importantly oka kicks in at 1* with no requirements 17:46:40 ash requires items, scrolls and time 17:46:44 Brannock__: well, ideally active powers would trigger choices. I am not sure if Heroism really succeeds on that front. 17:46:57 it doesn't 17:47:05 <|amethyst> I think heroism isn't a good example, because UI-wise it's pretty bad 17:47:16 Brannock__: yes, with Ash I spent some time to make the god create choices in the absence of active powers. That's where the curse minigame comes from. 17:47:23 since you can use it in every single not-completely-irrelevant fight 17:47:24 <|amethyst> it costs so little you want to have it up for most fights, but you have to do that by hand 17:47:39 I think Ashenzari's an excellent design, so you did a good job 17:47:47 <|amethyst> what potatolizard and dpeg said 17:47:56 |amethyst: yes, I know. It's like the melee version of Sif's channelling we discussed the other day,. 17:47:56 btw, about Ash, the majority of my games with Ash never use either of the two active abilities 17:47:56 Well I guess the reason I'm asking about this is I've been thinking about Sif 17:47:58 hey, speaking of... 17:48:33 Brannock__: *blush* :) [As usual, I didn't do it all alone, although I had to bicker a bit to have the curse stuff go in unharmed.] 17:48:39 I like using exp transfer for weapon swapping, not much else 17:48:48 elliptic: but you could see potential use for them? 17:48:49 scrying is nifty for stuff like not mistaking shoals:5 runevault for ilsuiw 17:49:05 dpeg: the uses are very narrow 17:49:40 (The idea of transfer is not to use it in every game, but to provide strategic flexibility from the outset. With Ash you know that there is no "wrong weapon class" or "wrong spell school" in the early/mid game.) 17:49:46 <|amethyst> what if there were no penalty for transfer? 17:49:50 they certainly exist, and you can try to build your character in such a way that the abilities have some use, but they don't do much 17:49:57 isn't that more a consequence of map layouts rather than the tactical strength of scrying? 17:50:08 the real penalty is dropping from 5* to 3* 17:50:12 the exp loss is negligible 17:50:24 |amethyst: what potatolizard said 17:50:43 Brannock__: anyway, what's your thoughts on Sif? 17:50:56 |amethyst: the thing is that you usually don't have that high a quantity of xp that is suboptimally placed 17:51:04 I've been trying to put my finger on it, but what bothers me about most of the sif proposals I've seen is that they try to make sif make the player an actively *stronger* caster. so they come up with stuff like spellhaste or doublecast 17:51:11 even if you had 12 maces and switch weapon types, it isn't that much xp you gain that way 17:51:20 exp transfer might be a niche ability but I still like it 17:51:22 which seems, to me, to be a mistaken understanding of what sif does as a god 17:51:29 since it allows me to silly things like swap from a great sword to scythe of curses 17:51:36 *to do 17:51:37 sif gives players the tools to succeed at spellcasting, instead of directly making them stronger (a la vehu/kiku) 17:51:48 elliptic: if you have ideas how to improve Transfer, please tell us. I'd like to keep it, I think the basic idea is alright. 17:51:57 potatolizard: it requires gaining a lot of xp to do that though, and ash skill boost already helps with that 17:52:21 <|amethyst> Brannock__: Kiku doesn't directly make you stronger, either 17:52:31 certainly it does 17:52:31 dpeg: I think it might help to change the ratio of exp gained to exp transferred 17:52:34 Brannock__: yes, so how would you do it? (Indirect is often good, btw.) 17:52:54 <|amethyst> or at least doesn't make your spellcasting stronger 17:53:02 but you probably wouldn't get ~20 polearms for scythe of curses when you already have 13-14 long blades on a non-ash char 17:53:02 elliptic: there are no doubt better numbers! If you have them, please change :) 17:53:02 currently if you want to transfer a huge amount of xp for some reason then you have to go gain a huge amount of xp 17:53:02 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:24 (granted that's a rather extreme example) 17:53:38 elliptic: sure. I like to start with VM, so then Ash Transfer comes naturally (the poison magic gambit). 17:53:39 the piety cost is also too high probably 17:53:56 since it is really huge, especially since you want to use the ability multiple times 17:54:22 draining piety gradually instead of gulping it all instantly would help 17:54:30 dpeg: the thing though is that usually when I want to use transfer knowledge it is late game and it is bringing a skill from 10 to 0 17:54:49 dpeg: and I do use it in that situation, but it feels really unexciting 17:54:55 just like finding a potion of experience 17:54:57 elliptic: and you have to do that in many little steps... I was in that position in one of my recent games. 17:54:59 except without the xl 17:55:00 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:35 -!- FShckAway is now known as FatShack 17:55:41 elliptic: I am not sure you can make Transfer exciting. Like I said, I wanted to provide strategic flexibility. 17:55:50 anyway I think the ability could be buffed in several different ways and it will be very hard to make it actually overpowered 17:56:05 so maybe just buff it a lot and see if people do more exciting things with it 17:56:13 so I thought hard, about what would be a suitable active ability for Sif that's punchy and memorable. I've seen suggestions before about sif granting temporary spells, which gave me an idea: what if sif had a 4* or 5* ability, that cost piety, that guaranteed success on the next spell cast? 17:56:14 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:56:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-751-gc852bdd: Remove nicolae_blade_entry_pointy_end (#8981) 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c852bddbddf6 17:56:25 like originally "reskill to tornado" was a thing 17:56:35 I've been writing a tavern proposal on that and am putting my finishing touches on it (with justification and analysis) 17:56:39 to post in the sif thread 17:57:36 <|amethyst> Brannock__: I don't know, being able to cast fire storm at XL9ish sounds like it would be worth an awful lot of piety 17:57:48 <|amethyst> unless it starves you to death in one cast :) 17:57:58 sadly it doesn't 17:58:01 significant piety cost, gated by high Sif piety in the first place 17:58:03 |amethyst: it would probably be low power at least 17:58:04 well one of my TeAErobins actually starved to death 17:58:05 and 17:58:05 yes 17:58:07 low power 17:58:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:39 elliptic: if you'd take the first step, I'll be grateful. 17:58:43 <|amethyst> how about: 17:58:44 you'd have to be lucky enough to find firestorm in the first place, too. 17:58:45 <|amethyst> spells never fail 17:58:56 <|amethyst> you pay an amount of piety that depends on what the fail rate would have been 17:59:13 <|amethyst> with a warning if that would excommunicate you 17:59:19 as a passive ability? 17:59:20 make it like ely life-saving? 17:59:20 that sounds potentially tricky to balance the numbers on 17:59:33 <|amethyst> yeah, passive 17:59:48 <|amethyst> hm 17:59:50 since sif is designed for pure casters and you don't want "normal" casting of 5% fail spells or whatever to hurt your piety much 17:59:59 I'm submitting my post right now, btw, but I find your idea interesting amethyst 18:00:06 |amethyst: miscast protection conflict there 18:00:16 dpeg: well, it would replace that 18:00:20 I see 18:00:21 to be honest miscast protection is enormously unexciting 18:00:26 and she shares variant on it with vehu/kiku 18:00:37 veh doesn't give any miscast protection 18:00:47 oh, right, I'm getting my abilities mixed up 18:00:48 just success rate increase 18:01:15 |amethyst: I do think that sounds better interfacewise than having it be an active ability 18:01:21 What about this: you quiver a book, and |amethyst's idea only applies to spells from that book. Too fiddly? 18:01:27 yes 18:01:41 quivering should never have an effect on gameplay 18:01:54 elliptic: but allows you choose between expensive supported and ordinary, unsupported spells. 18:02:31 (obviously, can also have an abilty that specifies a book etc.) 18:03:20 |amethyst: I guess if the piety cost is proportional to (failure rate)^3 or some such then it wouldn't really be an issue 18:03:42 (maybe also include spell level in the formula) 18:04:28 anyway, I think sif is just missing one ability from being distinct and memorable, just the trick is to find what ability that would be that's also in keeping with her theme 18:05:40 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:09:47 <|amethyst> elliptic: I'm bad with coming up with these numbers, but what about something like: if you roll a failure, you lose failpct * level / 9 piety. So a L5 spell at 5% would be ~3 piety 1/20 of the time, a L5 at 50% would be ~28 piety half the time, an L9 at 100% 100 piety every time 18:09:52 Brannock__: well, I sort of like the "guaranteed spell success" idea in some form - if it is an active ability, though, then I think it should not be "the next spell you cast is guaranteed to succeed" but instead the ability should prompt you for a spell as you use it 18:10:19 That's a better implementation, I agree 18:10:35 (in that case the piety cost could also depend on the spell cast) 18:10:43 |amethyst: that doesn't sound too bad, yeah 18:11:24 so let's say sif gives you a book with a couple powerful spells. you can memorize them, and use sif piety to cast them (at low power, piety cost, and high hunger cost) as almost like "previews" until you're legit strong enough on your own to cast it normally 18:11:31 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: There is no dark side of the moon really. As a matter of fact it's all dark. The only thing that makes it look light is the sun.] 18:11:46 it doesn't directly make the character stronger like vehumet does, but makes them more capable at spellcasting 18:11:58 just like everything else sif does 18:12:17 books: gives you spells to cast. channels: gives you mp to cast. miscast protection: doesn't punish you for screwing up. 18:12:20 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:27 I do think making it automatic as |amethyst suggests is probably better, because you probably aren't going to want to cast these high fail rate spells without the active ability anyway 18:14:00 <|amethyst> re Brannock's suggestion, this could apply only to certain Sif-gifted spells 18:14:41 <|amethyst> the hard part would be conveying the potential piety cost before casting 18:15:01 <|amethyst> and deciding when we want to warn the player (only excommunication? whenever you might lose a star?) 18:15:04 -!- mamgarchan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:15:24 I'm concerned about what automatic fail rate would mean in lategame/postgame where you're casting stuff with 1-4% failure rate regularly but not necessarily training spell skills anymore 18:15:49 er, automatic fail protection with piety cost 18:16:09 spell previews was originally envisioned as a midgame ability for sif, keeping channeling as her main lategame/postgame perk 18:16:15 <|amethyst> Brannock__: my suggestion would lose ~5 piety 20% of the time for a L9 5% spell 18:16:24 <|amethyst> Brannock__: err, ~5 piety 5% of the time 18:16:31 that doesn't seem so bad 18:16:54 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:17:28 <|amethyst> another possibility would be to make the piety lost depend on (the numbers going into) miscast severity 18:18:00 <|amethyst> but I think miscast severity is too coarse for that 18:18:17 yeah, miscast severity is weird 18:18:33 <|amethyst> coarse and flat at the top 18:18:41 <|amethyst> it's not hard to hit worst severity 18:18:51 the other issue I see is that passive fail protection isn't as punchy/memorable as "I activate the ability to cast Fire Storm / Dragonform / Discord / CBlink way before I'm normally able to and it saved my butt" 18:19:05 and part of sif's problem right now is she isn't very memorable compared to like qazlal or fedhas 18:19:09 well, you are still casting fire storm way before you're normally able to 18:19:13 it is just better interface 18:19:30 well, you probably don't want to spend 100 piety on it 18:19:41 passive protection also makes it harder to piety-gate it without screwing over lategame characters 18:19:44 but frankly 100% fail fire storm probably should cost that much :P 18:19:45 I think 18:19:52 someone more familiar with the failure/miscast code can answer that better 18:19:55 <|amethyst> Brannock__: does Sif's channelling seem more memorable that Vehumet's MP on kills? 18:19:57 and numbers can be adjusted of course 18:20:21 frankly neither are exciting, but vehumet's level 8/9 gifts are very meaty-feeling 18:20:28 it's a core draw of the god 18:20:57 Brannock__: giving lategame chars a reason to keep gaining sif piety doesn't seem problematic to me honestly 18:21:02 true 18:21:12 <|amethyst> elliptic: what is sif piety based on? 18:21:47 <|amethyst> elliptic: I mean, how does it scale wrt skill_cost_level? 18:22:05 <|amethyst> elliptic: is it feasible to replace sif piety lategame? 18:22:05 I don't know the details 18:22:23 hard to say given that you basically never have to do it currently :) 18:22:31 <|amethyst> since whenever I've gotten Sif to the late game, my piety was stuck at ****** 18:22:34 <|amethyst> yeah 18:22:35 certainly recovering from faith in midgame is pretty quick 18:23:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:23:02 lategame sif piety gain can always be adjusted if necessary, of course 18:24:13 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24:57 I agree that faster casting is better than double/delayed casting we discussed yesterday. (Also makes Sif more a mirror image of Oki, but that's neither good nor bad.) 18:27:32 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:47 -!- eoc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:16 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:32:38 -!- ShiningEntity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:34:04 What's the latest thinking on sif? 18:34:42 nuffink substantial, I believe, just a hodge-podge of ideas 18:35:02 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:35:05 Well I saw some comments to the effect that Sif shouldn't enable pure casters, which I very strongly disagree with 18:35:43 o boy i got home just in time 18:35:52 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:34 "sif shouldnt enable pure casters" wtf 18:36:58 I really do like that Sif gives you a way to get large amounts of mp through a cost; for all the talk about how can we make hunger relevant, sif channel is one of the more interesting ways where hunger is actually relevant 18:37:15 who is responsible for posting such things in my thread?! 18:37:27 tabstorm: is ##crawl-dev now your thread? 18:37:31 "the thread" 18:37:33 can I be a moderator if so 18:37:40 oh i cant read 18:37:49 i thought you said "i saw some comments in the thread" 18:37:51 I kind of liked the idea of sif giving partial refund on miscasts 18:37:52 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:38:12 (from the thread) 18:38:25 Error calling monster-trunk: 18:38:25 %??human zombie 18:38:27 gammafunk: people don't argue against Sif channel (I think), they just complain about the interface. 18:38:58 i argue for it having a bit better numbers.. dont care about interface 18:39:03 Lasty: I think we explained enough in the zealots thread. :) 18:39:14 !tell |amethyst i think removing line 851 of monster-main.cc will fix the crash on %??zombie 18:39:14 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 18:39:27 tabstorm: well I think you wanted a king of mega-channel piety using ability 18:39:32 yee 18:39:38 there was a "sif's hand" proposal discussed 18:39:40 well just SOMETHING a bit faster than normal channel 18:39:45 dpeg: yeah, fair enough. I sometimes go a little far with trying to make sure people understand. 18:40:13 normal channel is slooow unless you are a summoner 18:40:17 Lasty: I also replied another time, it's not just you :) 18:40:20 unless thats a goal 18:40:25 one idea elliptic had when I talked about how much I'd like to keep active channel, is that it'd be better if it had a small piety cost to prevent aa abuse while resting/out of combot 18:41:00 gammafunk: yes, it can definitely be improved. Hard part is to pick one of the candidates :) 18:41:02 why would i bother to aa out of combat 18:41:06 if im moderately safe 18:41:09 tabstorm: speedrun 18:41:14 well not only speedrun 18:41:14 :) 18:41:23 it's much better than normal mp recovery 18:41:26 eh i can just rig up a macro 18:41:27 tabstorm: people do it, I guess, so it is a concern 18:41:38 i mean i swing bread regularly so i dont mind aa 18:41:42 but yes I do it a lot in a speedrun, I just don't rest afterwards 18:41:46 why not make ab 'Channel Until Disturbed' 18:41:50 (which does what it says on the thin) 18:42:08 well then you could get all HUNGRY 18:42:13 I guess I don't see why it matters 18:42:17 Patashu: we talked about something like that, but elliptic pointed out that it's not necessarily good gameplay in general to give better mp recovery out of combat 18:42:21 btw, does resting or hcanneling use more hunger 18:42:30 to get say 30 mp, with 10 invo 18:42:35 well channeling does of course 18:42:37 i assume it must be channel 18:42:39 but you eat chunks 18:42:39 by lots 18:42:40 -!- Amnekian has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:42:50 yeah heavy sif channel use = you care about food 18:43:19 so i dont see why its a huge worry if people channel outside of combat except when theyre trying to optimize turns because i cant see how it affects win probability really 18:43:32 and if were turn optimizing theres a ton of slightly annoying things you do 18:43:37 such is the price to pay for high scores 18:44:02 "If you don't like it, then don't do it." is generally not the best approach. 18:44:14 right, to fix the interface it's probably best to identify what we really want to fix 18:44:23 like I think the interface is fine while in combat 18:44:33 gammafunk: I agree. 18:44:34 aa is no different from any other thing you'd do then 18:44:52 gammafunk: because turns matter in combat, but it is annoying afterwards. 18:45:04 dpeg: do you like the idea of a small piety cost for channel maybe, to make using outside of combat not optimal compared to resting? 18:45:17 (all resting up has this problem, but at least for Sif channeling we could do something about it) 18:45:17 perhaps that tied to new sif abilities 18:45:20 will you make the #s better on channel if you nerf it by requiring piety 18:45:34 tabstorm: my thinking is that we'd probably just add new abilities 18:45:38 or a new ability 18:45:38 o 18:45:48 somethign that would address concerns like that you point out 18:45:58 about how channel in combat is not really sufficient for many mages 18:46:13 yes 18:46:16 it's good even for them, but there are a lot of advantages veh gives in-combat 18:46:16 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46:18 i dont care what you do about interface 18:46:25 i mean do what you think is best 18:46:38 but my complaints are more about balance 18:46:47 or "wow im using this god and i wish i was using another one" 18:46:56 well it's not what "I do"; we have to have agreement, and we don't really have a solid idea for what these new abilities are at this point 18:47:51 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:51 I've heard: double-casting, some kind of mp-refund on miscast, some kind of active or passive int/wiz bonus 18:48:16 i like passive int we already have wiz existing with vehumet 18:48:59 fast casting was also mentioned, though I think I'm against it 18:49:01 gammafunk: also faster casting 18:49:02 mp refund on miscast, eh, I'm not overly thrilled by "let's miscast this spell over and over until it works" 18:49:09 well the idea we were floating as a replacement for active channel (which I don't want personally, since I'd like to retain active channel) is a duration-based mp restore 18:49:10 btw 18:49:13 "sif's hand" 18:49:17 why do miscasts exist? 18:49:20 but it steps on 1* channel a bit 18:49:22 ive never actually thought about it 18:49:25 tabstorm: no changing the subject!!! 18:49:26 until yesterday 18:49:33 ! 18:49:39 fast casting, meaning? 18:49:52 like "caster's finesse"? 18:49:58 gammafunk: like Oka does for weapons... you already said you don't like it :) 18:50:12 oh no, I didn't comment on that yet :) 18:50:16 so you can just run out of mp faster :) 18:50:23 gammafunk: I think it's better interface than double casting, or delayed spells (a la Fireball), that is why I brought it up again. 18:50:24 i mean sif will give you haste soon enough probably 18:50:55 dpeg: Yeah I'm not sure it's a bad idea; conjurers would certainly like it 18:51:09 gammafunk: summoners too 18:51:10 but yeah it's a bit not great I suppose 18:51:19 ungreatful :) 18:51:22 prepare dcall 18:51:23 :) 18:51:38 actually prepared summons would be pretty nuts 18:51:49 dpeg: well in my experience (which is 100% pure summoners I admit) summoners care about having mp to make more summons 18:51:57 same for conjurers 18:52:11 not that it'd be bad, but not something I'd worry about too much; like TS said haste does come along 18:52:15 if you are playing little to no melee 18:52:21 and you really care about your spells doing their thing 18:52:23 gammafunk: sure, but blowing them out fast is additional defence 18:52:26 your MP bar is like a 2nd lifebar 18:52:42 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 18:52:45 well it dosen't matter how much you blow them out as a summoner really, you are usually protected by meatshields 18:52:50 dpeg: yeah it's definitely significant, but I'm not sure it's necessarilly enough to satisfy the tabstorms of the world 18:53:04 it would be a buff 18:53:13 mostly with prepared L8-9s 18:53:19 What I kind of mean by that is saying: people who usually say "...nah I'll just go veh" 18:53:39 how about instead of just faster casting, instant casting? (with a higher cost of course) 18:53:53 it's a cool perk of delayed fireball that people may not think about 18:54:03 something that would be neat is like 18:54:05 so the spell takes 0 aut? 18:54:08 cast at higher MP for more power 18:54:15 hrm 18:54:17 like 1.5x mp 18:54:18 i would use that 18:54:21 that's kid of cool 18:54:26 *kind 18:54:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:29 then for instance 18:54:36 mabe theres a point to |power 18:54:38 it'd make active channel something you'd need more 18:54:44 wheals: well, that's the extreme version of faster casting. 18:54:45 esp. if you like 18:54:47 relaxed MP caps 18:54:54 relaxed? 18:54:55 so maybe maxmp more meaningful 18:55:01 well its not "50" 18:55:04 oh you mean "the MP cap" 18:55:04 human zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 6 | HP: 38-65 | AC/EV: 1/8 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 42 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 18:55:04 <|amethyst> %??human zombie 18:55:04 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:55:04 ah yes, that was another idea for Sif 18:55:06 yes 18:55:07 you said "caps" 18:55:11 so one can get more use out of 18:55:13 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:13 higher mp apt 18:55:17 with such a thing 18:55:18 |amethyst, ah, ty 18:55:20 * dpeg hands out wizard caps to everyone. 18:55:22 So we remove Fedhas then? 18:55:25 ? 18:55:31 Basil: sorry, we voted without you; you were too late 18:55:37 <|amethyst> wheals: hah, missed your message but I decided on exactly the same fix 18:55:48 epic troll dude almost good as when you convinced me trog was getting nerfed 18:55:54 relaxed mp cap was suggested a while ago and got shot down iirc 18:55:56 imo uncap mp bar... 18:55:59 ...but only for sif worshippers!!! 18:56:05 ! 18:56:20 spectral human (03Z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-47 | AC/EV: 5/8 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 108 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 18:56:20 %0.15?spectral human spells:banishment 18:56:28 then have channeling be f(maxmp) 18:56:29 hehe, and the old behavior was incorrect 18:56:36 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:56:38 since enslaved souls could cast spells just fine 18:56:44 unknown monster: "spectral nikola" 18:56:44 <|amethyst> %??spectral nikola 18:56:50 spectral human (03Z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-47 | AC/EV: 5/8 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 109 | Sp: banishment | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 18:56:50 <|amethyst> %??spectral human spells:banishment 18:56:57 human zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 6 | HP: 38-65 | AC/EV: 1/8 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 94 | Sp: banishment | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 18:56:57 <|amethyst> %??human zombie spells:banishment 18:57:02 <|amethyst> OTOH that is incorrect 18:57:07 I like that idea actually, 18:57:07 * gammafunk puts on the wizard cap dpeg gave him. gammafunk is wearing the hat "Snorg" {-Wiz -9 Int +9 Slay *Rage Curse} 18:57:11 which one 18:57:25 gammafunk: and your robe? 18:57:27 no (or relaxed) MP cap for Sif followers 18:57:29 oh 18:57:33 <|amethyst> oh 18:57:34 what would that look like 18:57:34 gammafunk: cannot go wrong with *Rage 18:57:36 wheals: you mean my troll leather armour!! 18:57:40 <|amethyst> actually, I guess it's not incorrect 18:57:44 if you were say a DE 18:57:50 <|amethyst> human zombie spells:banishment actually can cast 18:57:57 <|amethyst> also, nice animation 18:57:59 hrm, no mp cap for sif 18:58:02 i dont know the MP formula 18:58:13 or how the stepdowns work 18:58:16 yeah, my only problem with it is that it seems to make the * beam thing on your square not show up? 18:58:31 but it always seemed sort of lame that we had these stepdowns so almsot everyone ends up around the same maxmp 18:58:48 !tell doy Shatter animation is gorgeous. Played two pure GrEE in order to enjoy it. Many thanks! 18:58:48 dpeg: OK, I'll let doy know. 18:58:49 -!- William_Syler has quit [Client Quit] 18:58:49 like why even have an mp apt if it just stops doing anything at some point 18:59:02 oh yeah, I think I saw the new abyss animation too, it was neat 18:59:04 !log . tr 18:59:04 11. Basil, XL25 TrTm, T:71057: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Basil/morgue-Basil-20140426-232330.txt 18:59:10 <|amethyst> !tell doy in the banishment animation (nice btw!), it's kind of weird to get the --more-- on the black screen rather than the destination 18:59:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let doy know. 18:59:15 I got really confused for a moment when I abyssed myself in wiz mode 18:59:22 tabstorm: you have more MP earlier. That's crucial, as you have correctly observed a few minutes ago. 18:59:29 27 mp with 7 invo 18:59:33 <|amethyst> !tell doy if only there were some way to fade between the two levels rather than to black 18:59:33 |amethyst: OK, I'll let doy know. 18:59:58 Yes but everyone sort of ends up the same at the end 18:59:59 hrm, like in general, a passive sif thing that gave you more mp? 19:00:07 kind of analogous to how veh gives wiz 19:00:09 i guess its a balance thing 19:00:11 gammafunk: yep 19:00:14 "sif muna opens your mind!" 19:00:18 there is nice symmetry in that idea 19:00:18 !send |amethyst 256 colours 19:00:19 Sending 256 colours to |amethyst. 19:00:26 what is symmetry 19:00:28 as piety increases you get +int, mp caps relax 19:00:47 Perhaps you could say it is "brilliant" 19:00:47 well hold on Bloax, we're not necessarilly doing +int and mp increase 19:00:58 Speaking of, has that mp bug been fixed? 19:01:06 "Sif Muna looks into your brain. It's all dried up. Sif Muna sighs. Sif Muna pulls out a watering pot." 19:01:06 well im thinking like 5 int here.. 19:01:12 yeah I guess 19:01:14 if it's not huge 19:01:16 5-8 19:01:17 like chei levels 19:01:19 no 19:01:19 like that old "turns you into an orc" bad_idea for Beogh, but with deep elves 19:01:23 like 4-8 19:01:25 im talking 19:01:25 where it overflows if you go past I think 127 19:01:38 so it dosent "step on zin" 19:01:50 btw do people use zin with the intent of boosting their int, ever 19:01:57 im quite curious to know since im not interested in using zin 19:02:10 how much is the boost? I should now with all teh zin games I've watched 19:02:13 but I don't know 19:02:15 9 at 27 invo 19:02:21 geeze 19:02:21 i think its linear 19:02:21 that is a lot 19:02:24 yeah but 27 invo 19:02:27 sure 19:02:29 not gonna fit that in without scumming 19:02:33 esp. if you are conjurating 19:02:49 so 4-5 at 13 invo 19:02:55 still significant 19:03:01 I'm sure "zin casters" spam that 19:03:07 probably, it's cheap 19:03:23 there is the whole downside of having to rely on book drops though 19:03:26 4-5 int is just enough of a bonus where it really makes a difference 19:03:45 yea thats why I figure around 4-8 for sif 19:03:48 in that range 19:03:49 basil: crate said it got fixed 19:04:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:04:14 also actually it could be neat to have a 3rd god that is more focused on casting abilities 19:04:20 dpeg: We probably could use maybe a planning page for the sif ideas at this point, and you're probably too busy to make one? 19:04:32 araganzar (L19 GrFE) (Elf:2) 19:04:38 tabstorm: Kiku 19:04:38 araganzar (L19 GrFE) (Elf:2) 19:04:39 gammafunk: I might be biased. 19:04:41 Since I'm like literally the person who cares most about sif in all of dcss, I should probably make it 19:04:50 dpeg: heh, I'm certainly biased :) 19:04:53 araganzar (L19 GrFE) (Elf:2) 19:04:58 well thats not exactly what I have in mind.. 19:05:03 I have empirical proof of my devotion 19:05:10 !lg * recent god=sif s=name 19:05:11 8065 games for * (recent god=sif): 257x gammafunk, 130x kave, 97x BirdoPrey, 88x Avigdore, 77x bairyn, 70x frzndmn, 67x Darmok, 67x Sbamiri, 61x Ekaitz, 53x PolkaDot, 53x Esse, 47x silentsnack, 46x TZer0, 46x tlatlagkaus, 43x aTarkinC, 43x NTRAFF, 39x CustomX, 34x LiLin, 34x letownia, 34x Apollyon, 31x XLukarX, 31x bullock, 31x Bruce, 31x derrpe, 31x Waterpls, 31x whales2, 30x ender2012, 30x nubin... 19:05:14 gammafunk: 19:05:15 exhibit A 19:05:16 !hs * sif 19:05:17 74157. Sapher the Genius of the Arcane (L26 NaWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-10-05 09:05:14, with 65369553 points after 21895 turns and 15:06:14. 19:05:25 chop chop 19:05:28 old summons 19:05:29 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05:50 old summons + sif 19:05:53 !hs Basil 19:05:53 392. Basil the Conqueror (L27 DrTm of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-05-13 05:54:59, with 12752667 points after 124969 turns and 11:59:49. 19:05:56 embarrassing 19:06:00 oh hey so can anyone tell me 19:06:07 why we need to have miscast effects 19:06:13 127k? Were you writing a novel while killing orcs? 19:06:16 is it just so people dont spam haste 19:06:20 at 90% fail? 19:06:28 anyway, Kiku provides protection from necro miscasts and gifts books 19:06:29 tabstorm: think about it for a minute 19:06:36 seems like a castinator god 19:06:38 well, that's definitely a good thng 19:06:38 well for a conjuration i think its worse to not get the effect 19:06:49 for a summon i think its also worse to not get the effect 19:06:50 araganzar (L19 GrFE) (Elf:2) 19:06:56 to not get the effect? 19:06:58 what do you mean 19:07:00 worse than what 19:07:02 spell failing 19:07:02 to cast nothing 19:07:03 c!hs 19:07:06 !hs 19:07:06 for mp 19:07:06 3225. wheals the Grand Master (L27 DrTm of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-09-18 16:35:43, with 13167153 points after 121725 turns and 6:48:29. 19:07:20 same with hexes really 19:07:26 Crashing on game start 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8984 by araganzar 19:07:37 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:38 i can only see charms and necro being worth recasting repeatedly at high fail having a real benefit 19:07:43 and only certain necros 19:07:50 Well I don't understand what you're saying; you're saying miscasting without any miscast effect is worse that miscasting with a miscast effect? 19:08:32 I'm saying if i'm casting like fire storm, not getting fire storm for 9mp because i miscasted it is probably worse than whatever effect i get from miscasting it 19:08:39 unless im on very low HP or something 19:08:51 I've used 10% chain lightning with sif 19:08:51 I don't really pay attention to miscasts ever because I usually use vehumet + conjurations 19:08:53 it was pretty good 19:09:03 yeah miscast effects tend to be more meaningful earlier in the game 19:09:14 though I do remember 19:09:19 when you miscast ice beast and got an executioner 19:09:22 that was quite amusing 19:09:28 well that's precisely earlier in the game 19:09:38 but im not sure what it accomplishes 19:09:38 later on you can withstand the effects 19:09:47 model all school miscasts after tmut 19:09:54 miscast necromut get shroomed 19:09:58 tbh I think they're pretty good for when they're effective at killing you 19:09:59 that was a great tv 19:10:10 i just dont understand why thats like.. a goal 19:10:37 tabstorm: escalating situations can provide opportunities for decision making. 19:10:48 tabstorm: I would put it down to "power" 19:11:09 what I mean is: if you swing that exec axe and miss, yes you wasted a turn and you can get hit, but if that one blow had landed 19:11:18 compare that to the damage you did with one cast of fireball 19:11:30 you get more damage with each cast 19:11:34 huge dmg 19:11:38 compared to a melee weapon/launcher 19:11:40 sure but i have only so many shots of it 19:11:41 heug dmg 19:11:50 yes and the mp cost accounts for that 19:11:53 and if i care about being at a distance, if my MP runs out, I'm having problems. 19:12:07 if i don't care about being at distance well ok im just conjurating to soften things up before I melee 19:12:12 it boils down to bigger costs for failure of things that do more damage 19:12:42 you're right that they don't *need* to exist, but I think the tension you get from decided to use that high-failure, high damage spell 19:12:49 and risking a damaging miscast 19:12:53 is pretty good in the game 19:13:02 see i just dont bother casting spells at high fail rates because im just wasting my mp.. 19:13:09 and we all know about those fail rate numbers 19:13:17 and how they LIE 19:13:31 tabstorm: right, so you don't need to worry about miscasts a large majority of the time 19:13:33 we're past the days of good fail 19:13:36 Sophus Lie? 19:13:39 very good fail 19:13:44 No 19:14:04 choko fail 19:14:55 tabstorm: and when you decide to risk casting that fireball spell in a situation where you think a successful cast will win the fight, you have to accept the increased risk of that vs some other action that wan't harm you 19:15:08 s/wan't/won't/ 19:15:16 Well conjuration miscasts at least usually wont 1hit you 19:15:19 unless your HP is very low 19:15:47 sure; so you can push that use of fireball more if you have high hp 19:15:51 and like you said 19:15:57 well im more concerned with my MP bar.. 19:15:59 it's not optimal to do that a very large majority of the time 19:16:13 right, so you use your L4 or L3 spells instead 19:16:15 and failing fball will leave me with 0 mp which may be troublesome.. 19:16:25 not because of miscast effects but because of 0 mp 19:16:35 tabstorm: that's specifically if you have low mp 19:16:52 well if im at high MP why would i cast a spell at a high fail rate and waste MP 19:17:02 when i can cast a spell that wont fail and will do damage? 19:17:13 i mean its one thing for like.. tornado or dcall 19:17:19 tabstorm: you would do so only when that spell and only that spell will do in your estimation 19:17:25 I think that's the point 19:17:34 Thats when I use teleport lol 19:17:40 e.g. "either I need to fireball these 9 things or run" 19:17:49 tabstorm: well you can try fireball first and then tele, no? 19:17:57 If its high fail rate? 19:17:58 No 19:18:00 I just leave 19:18:21 High fail rate conjurations are just asking for problems imo 19:18:27 in terms of mp bar 19:19:11 Usually for any fight where i care about keeping distance, I have an idea of how much MP I need to kill everything 19:19:38 and if my MP is a bit too low when everything is expected to be dead, or I dont have enough, i just leave 19:19:47 Using high fail spells throws off that estimate 19:20:11 I think miscast effects are *generally* interesting way for adding tension to the game in these kinds of marginal situations where the player wants to invite a bit more risk for a big reward 19:20:13 -!- Sharkman1231_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:20:35 i can see why you have them for like 19:20:43 charms or tmuts 19:20:50 or necro 19:20:54 sort of i guess 19:21:32 but for conjuration or summoning the tension to me is more from "no mp" than from "o no i might get a fireball in the face" 19:21:58 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:22:27 like I don't think any of my conjurers have ever died to a miscast effect or have been concerned about a miscast because im not going to cast conjurations at a high fail rate and expect to get anything out of it.. like a 20% fail rate is basically 100% imo 19:23:20 whatever it's not going anywhere but at least i know why they exist in theory so thanks 19:24:01 try playing MuFe and then you'll be more concerned (and still willing to sometimes risk them) 19:24:21 !tell rchandra oops on the trunk main menu fix. I swear I made the updates and pushed them. not sure what happened. I'll fix it tonight 19:24:21 johnstein: OK, I'll let rchandra know. 19:24:32 tabstorm: but miscasts don't have to kill to be meaningful, 20% vs 100% matters in sight of !brilliance/wizardry, miscasts are used elsewhere... 19:24:33 oh hi 19:24:35 just another example of mummies being horrible at everything 19:24:59 johnstein: hi. the label was fixed they just started games in the wrong version 19:24:59 rchandra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:25:14 like i said i can see where you have them for charms/necro/tmuts where its not a huge deal combat wise if you miscast them 19:25:25 because your character probably dosent care about wasting that turn a whole lot 19:25:36 tabstorm: you are hereby forbidden to use mummies as a counterpoint 19:25:44 I refuse to play Mu anyway 19:25:47 I will not say anything bad about trog as a compromise 19:25:51 i won it once thats more than enough 19:25:59 well after mube 19:26:01 never again 19:27:08 rchandra: yea. I modified the config file first. don't know why that didn't get published with the menu fixes 19:27:10 theyre so bad its just not fun 19:28:09 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:17 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:31:17 casual (L21 TrBe) ASSERT(is_valid_shaft_level()) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 5948 failed. (Elf:2) 19:32:12 I don't really buy the thing that Mu isn't fun 19:32:31 !lg * recent !boring s=species 19:32:34 458293 games for * (recent !boring): 48070x Demonspawn, 36330x Minotaur, 34237x Gargoyle, 33708x Deep Elf, 26538x Octopode, 24399x Vine Stalker, 20622x Formicid, 17498x High Elf, 17485x Spriggan, 16988x Hill Orc, 16729x Draconian, 15867x Merfolk, 14262x Ogre, 14256x Troll, 13481x Tengu, 13377x Mummy, 13127x Vampire, 11836x Human, 10459x Naga, 10417x Kobold, 7755x Felid, 7459x Deep Dwarf, 7398x Cen... 19:32:50 Mu: more popular than Hu, Na, Ko, Fe, DD, Ce... 19:32:57 more fun than vampire!!!!! 19:33:03 well that's no surprise 19:33:19 they are in fact the most popular undead 19:33:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:33:24 naga, kobold, vampire, felid, deep dwarf, centaur are all races not commonly considered "fun" 19:33:32 I don't play my favourite species as often as some others, because it might take me more games to win those 19:33:37 wheals: according to whom? 19:33:47 "everyone" 19:34:20 ofc, lots of people do find them fun 19:34:29 actually, i forgot the point i was making 19:34:32 so i'll be quite now 19:34:33 wheals: why would anyone consider Naga unfun? 19:34:42 wheals: quite! 19:35:58 dpeg: i found naga deaths to just be really frustrating early on, when it does feel like there was very little you could do 19:36:03 * wheals always forgets to poison spit, though 19:36:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:20 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:36:23 navm can autodie to ice beast pretty easily 19:36:32 I'm not really in love with Na but I haven't played very many 19:37:00 i find that there are, on the other hand, people who really love nagas! they certainly are different, which is good 19:37:00 wheals: I found that it helps Naga survival if you (the player) spit on the ground continually... makes it easier to remember your Naga can spit, too. 19:37:17 dpeg: Powerful roleplaying 19:37:20 add that to the wiki imo 19:37:27 I hope you also wear barding irl while playing 19:37:31 sure thing! 19:37:40 and live in a pit 19:38:01 !lg dpeg win Na 19:38:02 2. dpeg the Naga of Death (L26 NaNe of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2007-12-26 01:52:24, with 1066353 points after 186015 turns and 1d+0:03:42. 19:38:05 long time ago :( 19:38:07 !lg . win Na 19:38:07 !lg . na won 19:38:08 1. wheals the Naga of Death (L27 NaNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2014-06-25 16:41:41, with 1904542 points after 102947 turns and 6:13:15. 19:38:08 2. SGrunt the Unseen (L27 NaFi of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-01-09 05:28:54, with 1488875 points after 95859 turns and 5:23:33. 19:38:10 !lg . na won 1 19:38:11 1/2. SGrunt the Alchemist (L26 NaTm of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-07-15 01:02:10, with 1384495 points after 100526 turns and 5:22:57. 19:38:14 dpeg: good title! 19:38:21 some people dont like nagas because you can randomly die when poison spit misses 19:38:27 !lg . na won 19:38:27 1. rchandra the Naga Blade (L27 NaAE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-06-26 01:16:43, with 11503842 points after 143246 turns and 23:19:19. 19:38:28 against say an orc warrior 19:38:35 ...feh, I killed a hill giant on D:6 with that NaFi 19:38:36 or you get a bad player ghost 19:38:51 I recall some people telling me that Na were ridiculously impossible to win 19:39:00 I think those some people were maybe tabstorm 19:39:02 !lg . nafi 19:39:03 1. SGrunt the Unseen (L27 NaFi of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-01-09 05:28:54, with 1488875 points after 95859 turns and 5:23:33. 19:39:04 maybe I'm misremembering 19:39:08 !won . nafi 19:39:09 Grunt (nafi) has won once in 1 games (100.00%): 1xNaFi 19:39:09 this was long ago 19:39:11 Na too string 19:39:12 strong 19:39:13 <3 19:39:21 best way to win na is just take trog or fedhas 19:39:30 so like any other bad combo 19:39:39 just treat any na-- as a bad character 19:39:49 We should make a union god from Trog and Fedhas 19:39:51 would be epic 19:40:00 gammafunk: god sex? 19:40:05 :) 19:40:08 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 15 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 59-110 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 560 | Sp: berserker rage, berserker rage (3d7) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 19:40:08 %??oklob plant perm_ench:berserk 19:40:08 fedhog 19:40:09 I'm not asking for fanfic! 19:40:16 ...yet 19:40:17 <|amethyst> spend jerkies to summon berserking minotaurs 19:40:24 <3 19:40:30 berserker rage (3d7) 19:40:36 * wheals hides 19:40:42 wheals: good monster changes 19:41:00 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 15 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 59-105 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 560 | Sp: berserker rage, berserker rage (3d7) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 19:41:00 %? oklob plant perm_ench:berserk 19:41:03 huh...that 3d7 is interesting 19:41:12 oh i guess it's not my fault, wow 19:41:22 <|amethyst> oh 19:41:32 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 15 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 59-105 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 560 | Sp: berserker rage, berserker rage (3d7) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 19:41:32 %0.15?oklob plant perm_ench:berserk 19:46:41 -!- mamgarchan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:34 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 15 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 59-105 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 560 | Sp: s.acid (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 19:47:34 <|amethyst> %0.15?oklob plant perm_ench:berserk 19:47:41 Snorg (09T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 96 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10doors, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(64) | XP: 1134 | Sp: berserker rage | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 19:47:41 <|amethyst> %0.15?snorg 19:47:51 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 15 | HD: 12 | HP: 110-161 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 30, 19, 1907(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 19:47:51 <|amethyst> %??fire dragon perm_ench:berserk 19:47:59 <|amethyst> fixed for 0.15 and trunk 19:48:57 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 19:48:57 %??fire_dragon 19:50:40 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:51:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:54:32 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 19:54:50 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 19:54:56 Is jiyva another god that needs significant work in 0.16? 19:56:29 i was thinking maybe GOBs shouldn't eat stuff 19:56:58 giant orange brain (04G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 2/4 | 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(106), asphyx, 12drown | Vul: 08holy | XP: 713 | Sp: brain feed, cause fear, shadow creatures, mass confusion, blink, 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:56:58 %??giant_orange_brain 19:57:07 they eat stuff? 19:57:15 all neutral jiyva dudes do afaik 19:57:17 yeah 19:57:22 weir 19:57:23 d 19:57:31 but I was thinking more in terms of major changes 19:57:34 perhaps only Js should (by checking genus so pleasingfungus doesn't come and shout at us) 19:57:38 since we have no item weight, no item dest. 19:58:48 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:03 -!- SomeStupidGirl is now known as SomeStupidGuy 20:03:56 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:22 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:36 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 20:08:08 -!- Guest39096 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:08:56 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14:31 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25:59 |amethyst: it looks like I'm going to have to require that the supplied tile is one of the "MONS_*" tiles both to avoid the awkwardness of players using "a pair of boots" as a tile and because my current code needs to know the monster to avoid code duplication (at least for webtiles) 20:26:34 |amethyst: I'd need to search for the "mons_" prefix and also check for a suffix of "_[0-9]" regexp wise, what are the functions to best do this? 20:27:10 my thinking is to extract the monster name from the tile and use the monster tile lookup function after finding the monster_type 20:27:33 and for _[0-9] tiles I can use that tile but strip off the _[0-9] portion to get the monster name 20:27:51 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:28:25 what's wrong with wanting to be a pair of boots 20:28:28 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:28:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'd use the same thing tile: uses (in mapdef.cc) 20:29:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: tile_player_index 20:29:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: oh, I see what you mean, boots are in the same sheet 20:30:44 <|amethyst> still, I think it makes sense to specify it the same way as a tile:, including the "mons_" 20:31:10 <|amethyst> and being a pair of boots is no more outrageous than being an orb of fire :) 20:31:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 20:31:54 |amethyst: re: boots, yes but I need to use the monster cache lookup 20:31:58 so I need it to be a monster 20:32:06 <|amethyst> hm 20:32:09 this is on the webtiles side 20:32:15 so I can use _send_mcache 20:32:24 otherwise I have to construct my json 20:32:37 by doing basically what _send_mcache does 20:32:50 so I set up a monster_info and then an mcache_entry 20:32:51 etc 20:32:58 <|amethyst> what happens if you give a monster tile:arbalest ? 20:33:16 well my plan is to require the use of a monster tile 20:33:25 so it'd be tile:mons_XXX 20:33:31 I'd not accept any other kind of tile 20:33:37 that way I know I can get a monster 20:34:29 on the tiles side I call the monster_entry methods directly without an instance 20:34:52 since the cell buffer is what I'm interacting with there 20:35:08 so I can just get the offsets and pass them to the cell buffer stuff 20:35:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm 20:35:32 I can show you my patch again, but that's what I'm currently doing 20:35:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: currently if you make a monster with tile:arbalest (etc) it gets the default white figure tile 20:35:44 !tell ontoclasm Hey, could I have an ability icon for "Reject Ru Sacrifices"? The ability will reject your current sacrifice offer and prompt Ru to eventually offer others. 20:35:44 Lasty: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 20:35:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:35:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk: not sure where that is happening though 20:36:14 oh you mean I could make some kind of dummy monster 20:36:28 <|amethyst> if you need the mcache 20:36:33 yeah I guess that's true 20:36:37 <|amethyst> but I know nothing about mcache 20:36:44 <|amethyst> I'd suggest talking to edlothiol 20:37:00 well I think I can probably make that work, since I know that code reasonably well now 20:37:33 Lasty: Sacrifice Current Sacrifices? 20:38:19 Indeed. 20:38:26 +100 piety. 20:38:42 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:56 Sacrifice Rune: you can't pick up runes or the orb 20:39:04 maybe call it Sacrifice Win 20:39:07 Sacrifice Game: ^qyes 20:39:12 Sacrifice Life: rip 20:39:28 Sacrifice Dungeon: you're transported to Void 20:39:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:39:48 Sacrifice Universe: Outside, the world ends. 20:40:07 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:40:09 i don't know, i kind of like how the banish animation fades to black 20:40:09 doy: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:40:22 it's not like it's confusing about what happeend, since the --more-- message is there telling you 20:42:49 sacrifice control: qwqwqw 20:42:49 qw-keys deactivated 20:42:54 >:( 20:42:55 qwqwqw 20:42:56 ha 20:42:56 qw-keys activated 20:44:53 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:13 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:55:17 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:38 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:01:01 rchandra: wheals: console on cbro should be pointing to trunk properly now. I forgot to change it for main_users. I had only changed it for main_admin 21:01:12 ha! 21:03:24 <|amethyst> johnstein: I've done that several times 21:03:28 <|amethyst> johnstein: "works for me" 21:08:02 working now, thanks. shouldn't have checked on my hyper previously, now I need to win a 0.15 ogak sometime :) 21:09:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 21:10:27 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 21:11:02 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:04 -!- nickajeg has quit [] 21:11:51 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:11:52 -!- rast- is now known as rast 21:14:11 doy: It's pretty cool, the abyssing animation 21:14:58 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:54 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:20:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22:12 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:33:07 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:28 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.2/20140917194002]] 21:37:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:45:41 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:42 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:30 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:29 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Client Quit] 21:55:51 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:59:38 -!- Wah has quit [Quit: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT'S BACON!] 22:00:15 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:01 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:05:27 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:06:21 -!- FatShack is now known as FShckAway 22:08:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:49 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:04 -!- eoc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:16:11 -!- Guest39096 is now known as mee 22:17:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:16 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:39 -!- bcode has quit [Quit: :tiuQ] 22:18:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:18:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:20:30 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:37 -!- Brannock__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:21:57 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:36 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:23:37 -!- mee has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:48 -!- rast- is now known as rast 22:26:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:30 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:48:04 -!- DrStalker has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:49:05 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:50:30 !lg * 0.15 killer=hell_knight s=place 22:50:34 9 games for * (0.15 killer=hell_knight): 4x Volcano, D:2, D:10, Depths:1, Vaults:2, Abyss:3 22:50:44 !lg * killer=hell_knight place=D:2 -log 22:50:45 2. isthmus, XL6 HuWn, T:5621: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/isthmus/morgue-isthmus-20140923-032720.txt 22:51:11 victim of OOD? 22:52:42 oops wrong chan 22:52:47 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:21 Lasty_: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/ru_reject_sacrifice.png 22:59:21 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:59:24 !messages 22:59:24 (1/2) Bloax said (1d 7h 55m 19s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/chain_doll1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/chain_doll2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/chain_doll3.png 22:59:28 !messages 22:59:28 (1/1) Lasty said (2h 23m 44s ago): Hey, could I have an ability icon for "Reject Ru Sacrifices"? The ability will reject your current sacrifice offer and prompt Ru to eventually offer others. 23:04:33 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:14 !tell bloax remember to test doll tiles on both genders~ 23:10:14 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let bloax know. 23:10:35 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:11:02 -!- cribo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:13:13 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:11 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:18 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:40 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:22:11 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:29 Bloax, play that again plz 23:26:44 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:26:51 !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -tv:> 23:26:51 68/69. 4tharraofdagon, XL3 OgHu, T:404 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:26:58 i found it 23:28:48 where is it in the learndb? 23:28:51 because if it's not yet 23:28:54 it needs to be added lol 23:29:19 it was in the learndb 23:29:45 !learn add hilarious_quits !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -tv:> 23:29:46 hilarious quits[9/9]: !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -tv:> 23:31:31 -!- DrStalker_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:46 -!- mkbehr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:37:09 !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -tv:> 23:37:10 68/69. 4tharraofdagon, XL3 OgHu, T:404 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:38:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:38:34 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:46 lmfao that curing 23:39:22 !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -tv:> 23:39:23 68/69. 4tharraofdagon, XL3 OgHu, T:404 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:39:29 and then immediately another kobold with a blowgun 23:39:54 also known as Dwarf with a Wand of Death: A Crawl story 23:40:37 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:43:23 !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -tv:> 23:43:24 68/69. 4tharraofdagon, XL3 OgHu, T:404 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:45:15 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 23:45:48 lakren (L22 MiFi) ASSERT(is_valid_shaft_level()) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 5948 failed. (D:15) 23:45:50 -!- Nabalzbhf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:12 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:21 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-752-gf3dc153: Chain mail doll tiles (Bloax) 10(2 minutes ago, 5 files, 39+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3dc153aed41 23:47:06 The new chain mails look so much better than the old ones 23:47:20 i just had to edit the arms a bit since they didn't fit the female body (fr female and male doll tiles don't have different arm positions) 23:48:09 plate looks great too 23:48:41 !crashlog lakren 23:48:42 13. lakren, XL22 MiFi, T:44869 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/lakren/crash-lakren-20140923-044522.txt 23:49:11 !lg 4tharraofdagon OgHu 68 -log 23:49:11 68/69. 4tharraofdagon, XL3 OgHu, T:404: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/4tharraofdagon/morgue-4tharraofdagon-20140505-205636.txt 23:49:15 sadly lost to the ages are the lines "chainmail3 CHAINMAIL" and "chainmail CHAINMAIL2" 23:49:16 404 turns 23:49:34 damn 23:49:37 error 404 curing not found 23:49:37 over half a year ago 23:50:30 I'm so glad I have ditto installed and forgotten. 23:50:32 i'm surprised ring, scale, and chainmails all still exist 23:51:08 well ringmail is borderline light armor 23:51:21 while chainmail is heavy-but-not-entirely 23:52:13 If scale was removed would Fi start with chain 23:53:01 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 23:55:40 * geekosaur learned today that historically chain is better than plate, because it's a better balance between protection and ability to move... 23:56:21 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:56:31 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-753-g1b75789: clua: view.invisible_monster(x,y). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b757893e088 23:57:20 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:57:31 well yeah, almost nobody wore plate on foot; you wore it while on a horse 23:57:53 you can run around in plate but you'll get tired really fast