00:03:07 !tell wheals I ran into that issue too with some toolchains. I'll have to further restrict the set of targets that can use those handlers. Also, you want to do a 'make -j3 DEBUG=1' vs 'make -j3 debug', since the debug target disables running gdb jit. Thanks for testing! 00:03:07 johnny0: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:08:18 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3 (34) 00:13:43 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.1/20140911151253]] 00:16:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:59 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3 (34) 00:21:51 anyone have problem with an enum using "class" in its name 00:21:59 enum mutation_permanence_class 00:22:04 isn't great but 00:26:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:30:37 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 00:30:44 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 00:30:48 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:33:26 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:36:13 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:53 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:44:09 -!- nnmap has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:32 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3 00:51:10 -!- endou_____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:20 -!- Lprsti99_____ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:51:25 -!- rphillips has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:52:21 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:12 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:48 bennu (08b) | Spd: 18 | HD: 14 | HP: 59-95 | AC/EV: 6/16 | Dam: 2704(napalm), 1808(holy), 1813(drain) | evil, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(149), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++ | Vul: 12drown, 08holy | XP: 1386 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:54:48 %??bennu 00:54:59 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:56:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:02:42 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:26 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:07:33 -!- azol has quit [Client Quit] 01:08:10 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:09:50 16:24:03 I know PleasingFungus doesn't want to remove it, but I'm not sure what the prevailing opinion on ctele is at this point 01:09:51 er 01:10:26 I don't want to remove *cblink*, which is a different (if related) question 01:10:31 I have no strong feelings on ctele 01:10:44 or, rather, very mixed feelings 01:13:00 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:45 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:14:20 gammafunk: mut_permanence_type? 01:14:32 idk if that's better 01:24:53 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:30:07 -!- geedmat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:31:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:34:53 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:35:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:35:54 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:41 -!- geedmat_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:41:41 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:45:36 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140919030202]] 01:50:09 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:50:13 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:51 -!- schistosoma is now known as schisto 01:57:31 -!- pentax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:57 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:12:47 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:18:19 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3 (34) 02:20:11 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:34 !tell wheals Pushed a fix to the branch. This check works for me under cygwin (where those features also aren't declared). The check isn't perfect though -- I noted potential issues (w.r.t. certain toolchains) in the doxygen block. 02:22:34 johnny0: OK, I'll let wheals know. 02:37:34 FR: make 'Really glaciate your fire vortex?' an unthing 02:37:41 (because no one will ever, ever care) 02:42:30 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:43:07 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:44:36 -!- schisto is now known as schistosomatid 02:47:11 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 02:47:22 -!- schistosomatid is now known as schistosomatic 02:47:37 -!- schistosomatic is now known as schistosoma 02:54:09 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:04:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04:44 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:28 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 03:21:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:24:57 sounds like a euphemism 03:25:37 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 03:30:10 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection 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07:03:56 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:04:21 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:04:55 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:06:52 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 07:10:17 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:10:40 huh. really interesting post in the sa thread about torment & hellfire 07:12:06 had a good suggestion for a new monster mechanic: a player debuff that causes you to take extra damage every time you take damage from anything else. 07:13:18 specifically flat damage (independent of the orig. damage), which makes it distinct from corrosion - suggestion was that it should be rN reduced with a rN- debuff applied alongside the debuff; I have no opinion on that. 07:13:46 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13715 I'm assuming you're talking about this. 07:14:13 If you ask me then torment works just fine as it is now. 07:14:34 the only thing that i really don't like about torment is the fact that flaying does it better 07:16:36 oh, did they post it to tavern? 07:16:38 ah, they did 07:16:53 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:15 also someone wants monster casters to have mana bars 07:18:18 which is like 07:18:22 come on 07:19:15 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 07:19:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:57 -!- aiguu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:21:22 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 07:34:27 ??flaying 07:34:27 I don't have a page labeled flaying in my learndb. Did you mean: flaming, flying, slaying, flay, fly. 07:34:29 ??flay 07:34:30 flayed ghost[1/2]: Flayed ghosts can deal smite-targeted, irresistible, torment-like damage that heals when the ghost is killed or you stay away from it for a while. Flaying won't reduce HP below 25. 07:35:08 -!- TendaAway is now known as Tenda 07:39:27 the important part there is that it's not permanent 07:41:36 was checking whether it was % or flat 07:41:38 wasn't sure 07:41:44 Going into snake without rPois is silly. Walking into Elf without no ticks of MR is asking to get banished. 07:41:54 but... but... I don't find either of those that important :( 07:44:10 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:17 I've found snake pretty unpleasant without rpois. not impossible, but unpleasant. haven't done it in a while, though. 07:44:26 elf without mr is far, far easier than vaults or depths without mr. 07:44:46 I find that newer/weaker players have a banishment bugaboo, and fear it far more than is really justified. 07:45:47 that post has so many things I disagree with 07:46:54 PleasingFungus: part of that fear is because they suck at doing abyss 07:48:49 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: grillatactics] 07:49:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:49:49 I thought about it a while longer and submitted a second, more critical response. 07:50:03 The way they use the term 'lazy' (& synonyms) is really irritating. 07:50:28 Does the mechanic like to go on siesta? 07:50:34 yeah i'll go ahead and go to the payforum 07:51:04 also the abundance of "I think x is y, therefore x is y" 07:51:55 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:52:05 well making torment add AF_TORMENTBADSTUFF to every attack you receive would make characters that aren't rN+++ explode 07:52:20 unless they have a huge hp pool 07:52:51 i wonder what semi-popular race isn't known for having a lot of item slots and a low hp pool 07:53:28 (exploding spriggans) 07:53:35 Te? 07:53:57 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:54:34 Tengu at least have very strong offesive capabilities. 07:54:58 eh? they do that in the tavern thread 07:55:22 re "I'll go to the payforum" 07:55:48 "isn't known for having a lot of item slots"? 07:55:59 oh, equipment slots 07:56:18 I don't mind exploding spriggans. sounds fun, tbh. 07:56:57 well it's all fun and games until you realize that extended is usually many hours into the game 07:57:44 and extended already hates low hp races due to the existence of hellfire 07:57:59 through* dang this is going good 07:59:44 pretty sure all parts of the game hate low-hp races 07:59:50 owing to them having low hp 08:00:26 yeah but at least it's not 3d20 smite kind of hate 08:01:35 -!- _D_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:06:13 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:09:06 !messages 08:09:06 (1/2) Patashu said (13h 42m 2s ago): random ru idea - maybe sacrificing schools of magic should give less piety the more of them you've already sacrificed? 08:09:12 !messages 08:09:12 (1/1) Adder said (7h 42m 29s ago): FR: If you're training shields and sac a hand, it should stop training shields for you automatically 08:09:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:54 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:31:49 -!- chon has quit [Client Quit] 08:32:00 !learn add ru_to_do sac hand's turning off Shields skill isn't working; other skills are. 08:32:00 ru to do[2/2]: sac hand's turning off Shields skill isn't working; other skills are. 08:32:51 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Client Quit] 08:35:13 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 08:37:23 If you have death channel active and fire a bolt spell at a creature, you can have the bolt spell hit the creature and kkill it, enerating a specter in a space further along in the beam, and then hit your specter, turning it against you. 08:37:31 7 08:37:43 oop 08:37:51 sounds like a bug imho 08:39:17 agreed 08:39:35 I just found it in a dangerous vaults:$ run 08:39:55 <|amethyst> Lasty: two separate things about Shields I noticed there 08:40:16 <|amethyst> Lasty: besides not disabling training, it also doesn't zero out the skill 08:40:30 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:40:42 <|amethyst> Lasty: I guess both might be relevant for magical shield effects 08:41:14 specifically tso shield 08:43:37 <|amethyst> condensation shield no longer uses shields skill? 08:43:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:43:52 did it ever? 08:44:04 <|amethyst> ah, maybe not 08:44:05 ??cshield 08:44:06 cshield ~ shield[1/6]: Wearing a shield gives you a chance to block all damage from some attacks, including arrows, melee, and some spells. Shields prevent off-hand attacks, and until you have enough skill they also slow your melee attacks and make it harder to cast spells. They always slow down UC even after the breakpoints. Can't be used with (x)bows in 0.15. 08:44:09 ... 08:44:18 <|amethyst> ??condensation shield 08:44:19 condensation shield[1/2]: Creates a shield that doesn't require a hand to wield (can be used with two-handed weapons, but not with a real shield), with duration based on power and strength based on ice magic. Melts when hit by fire. Stacks with the {helm card} and TSO's divine shield. SH granted is 8 + 3/5 * ice magic skill, 4 + pow*3/40 in 0.15. 08:45:00 !learn e condensation_shield[1 s/, with.*magic[.]/./ 08:45:01 condensation shield[1/2]: Creates a shield that doesn't require a hand to wield (can be used with two-handed weapons, but not with a real shield). Melts when hit by fire. Stacks with the {helm card} and TSO's divine shield. SH granted is 8 + 3/5 * ice magic skill, 4 + pow*3/40 in 0.15. 08:46:37 |amethyst: yeah, that's intentional 08:46:42 for TSO shield basicall 08:46:43 *y 08:46:53 otherwise I could use the ru_kill_skill function that does seem to work 08:47:42 IMO TSO shield using shields skill is a bug that only exists because nobody has come up with a formula to replace it with 08:48:27 <|amethyst> can't you just use Invo in place of Shields? 08:48:34 makes sense to me 08:48:38 it causes a ton of extra complications (like this one) and isn't particularly interesting 08:48:53 Someone push that and then I can push ru_kill_skill on shields :p 08:48:59 <|amethyst> Lasty: there's one more thing 08:49:03 |amethyst: that might be fine, yes, I haven't looked at the formula in a while 08:49:05 <|amethyst> Lasty: I already have a patch 08:49:13 <|amethyst> elliptic: it's exactly the same as real shields 08:49:33 <|amethyst> elliptic: in fact it's if (... && player_wearing_slot(EQ_SHIELD) || you.duration[DUR_DIVINE_SHIELD])) 08:49:48 <|amethyst> err, s/&& /\&\& (/ 08:49:53 well, there is some base SH value that divine shield uses, no? 08:50:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:50:10 and also divine shield stacks with a regular shield 08:50:19 so which skill do you use then 08:50:23 <|amethyst> yeah, you.attribute[ATTR_DIVINE_SHIELD * 150] for the base 08:50:25 <|amethyst> hm 08:50:30 <|amethyst> I guess that's true 08:50:33 the stacking is what I remember as being confusing 08:50:36 <|amethyst> would have to track them separately 08:50:52 <|amethyst> Lasty: IMO the TSO thing isn't a reason to keep shields 08:51:00 right, the base SH value depends on duration remaining (which is fine) 08:51:02 <|amethyst> Lasty: since when does Ru plan for your leaving? :) 08:51:15 |amethyst: fair point! 08:53:23 awright, goodbye shields 08:53:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-711-g0439c1f: Zero out and stop training Shields on sac hand. 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0439c1f39f37 08:53:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-712-g38e0f5d: Formatting. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38e0f5dd1402 08:54:55 oh, you already did it 08:55:24 <|amethyst> Lasty: That's why I said "I already have a patch" :) 08:55:33 ah, i thought you meant a patch for TSO 08:55:42 <|amethyst> aha 08:58:07 Man, Sac Sanity mkes the V:5 intro even harder 08:58:19 add in -potions and -scrolls, and baby, you got a stew going. 09:07:51 looking at player_shield_class() myself now 09:08:32 I hadn't realized that the bonus from shield skill is purely additive 09:08:45 oh, wait, it isn't 09:08:48 -!- aiguu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:09:33 but the effect on divine shield is 09:09:51 well, aside from this max() thing 09:10:27 oh wait 09:10:32 this function is so confusing 09:10:54 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:11:33 can someone confirm that I am right that shield skill doesn't actually affect the bonus you get from divine shield at all if you are wearing a shield? 09:12:07 -!- Tedronai has left ##crawl-dev 09:12:48 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:14:07 since that's what it looks like to me... and if you are using divine shield without wearing a shield, then shield skill just increases it by 0.38*(sk + min(sk, 3)) 09:21:52 my inclination is to just pick a reasonable formula and put it in tso_sh_boost() and add it at the end like with qazlal 09:22:16 the balance won't be exactly the same but TSO divine shield balance is not a major thing anyway 09:23:37 -!- Tedronai_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:33 -!- Tedronai_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:25:25 -!- Tedronai_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:30 -!- Tedronai_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:26:41 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:28:12 -!- Tedronai_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:42 -!- Tedronai_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:29:17 -!- ElanMori1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:16 -!- ElanMori1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:34:19 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:43 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:17 -!- ElanMori1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:14 I'm pretty sure I've asked this before but why do summoned monsters sometimes act after their summoner dies 09:37:32 <|amethyst> potatolizard: they shouldn't act 09:37:41 <|amethyst> potatolizard: they only go away on their own turn though 09:38:12 http://i.imgur.com/o2zKQrt.png 09:38:27 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:32 all that happens after the 'you kill the shadow demon' are shadow creatures' actions 09:38:34 <|amethyst> hm 09:38:47 there's possibly a spectral weapon hit there, it's filtered though 09:38:49 <|amethyst> yeah, that sounds like a bug 09:39:33 oh, shield skill also affects what you.attribute[ATTR_DIVINE_SHIELD] is set to 09:40:43 <|amethyst> potatolizard: hm, was that yellow draconian summonedf? 09:40:50 <|amethyst> potatolizard: because it isn't listed among the poofs 09:40:55 <|amethyst> s/df/d/ 09:41:07 yes, it's just cut off 09:41:08 <|amethyst> OTOH, the tentmons definitely was listed 09:41:25 -!- ElanMori1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:41:33 -!- ElanMori1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:50 !lm . x=gid 09:41:51 10281. [2014-09-20 14:39:03] [game_key=perunasaurus:cdo:20140820121220S] perunasaurus the Warrior (L23 VSEE of Ashenzari) left the Realm of Zot on turn 40366. (Zot:1) 09:41:57 happens somewhere between turns 40200-40300 09:44:37 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:45:00 -!- ElanMori1 has quit [Client Quit] 09:45:08 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:46:49 I've seen this happen before as well although previously I suspected it was cloud weirdness 09:47:04 this time I definitely killed the shadow demon myself though. or the spectral weapon did it. 09:47:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:55 -!- mkbehr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:49:39 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 09:50:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 09:50:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:51:02 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56:20 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 10:00:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:05:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 10:07:59 At times summons hang around for a single action after you've killed the summoner, yeah. 10:08:06 It seems pretty random though. 10:14:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:30 -!- Kolbur has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:43 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest33487 10:16:50 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:45 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:18:21 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:18:50 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:22 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-713-g1efa325: Simplify TSO's Divine Shield. 10(23 minutes ago, 6 files, 16+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1efa3257be06 10:30:22 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-714-ga1afcf4: Clean up player_shield_class(). 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1afcf4b2837 10:30:25 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:25 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:25 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:30:56 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:56 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:30:56 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play the Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup tournament online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions, http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.15/ for the tournament. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 10:36:37 -!- Nuklearni-okurka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:26 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:56 <|amethyst> Bloax: Yeah, that's expected, but they *shouldn't* get an action after their summoner dies 10:43:10 <|amethyst> Bloax: their "action" should be to disappear 10:45:05 <|amethyst> that could be changed, I suppose, if summon expiration were made a fineff 10:46:02 <|amethyst> doing it immediately after killing the summoner is the kind of thing that's likely to cause crashes 10:46:34 how exactly are the summons affected by their summoner getting killed 10:52:01 <|amethyst> Bloax: in _pre_monster_move (for the summon): if I'm summoned and my summoner is dead or nonexistent, remove my ENCH_ABJ 10:52:40 what if they also got paralysed 10:52:41 <|amethyst> Bloax: and removing ENCH_ABJ kills the monster 10:53:06 <|amethyst> Bloax: _pre_monster_move runs for every monster at the beginning of handle_monsters 10:53:49 <|amethyst> it loops over every alive monster, regardless of its ability to do anything (even if it has 0 energy) 10:53:56 <|amethyst> !source handle_monsters 10:53:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc;hb=HEAD#l2728 10:54:00 <|amethyst> !source _pre_monster_move 10:54:01 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc;hb=HEAD#l1711 10:54:18 <|amethyst> !source mon-ench.cc:725 10:54:18 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc;hb=HEAD#l725 10:56:29 <|amethyst> (trivia: a summoned spatial maelstrom whose summoner dies might banish itself before being dismissed for lack of summoner) 10:56:40 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:57:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual 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kroki has quit [Client Quit] 12:57:56 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:06:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:13:47 -!- Miauw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:49 -!- Miauw_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:18 hi 13:16:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:55 -!- minqmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:55 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:18 !tell ontoclasm free messages get yours today 13:17:18 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:17:23 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate_doll1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate_doll2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate_doll3.png 13:18:49 actually 13:18:51 just a second 13:19:27 -!- Miauw_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:24 oh i knew i lost something 13:20:24 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:20:33 can you send me the chainmails again 13:20:52 i crashed and lost all my tabs >.> 13:21:41 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/chainmail.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/chainmail2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/chainmail3.png 13:21:45 bloax: where does hp/mp/xp apt get set? 13:22:14 Lasty: species.cc 13:22:24 (you should see all my notepad++ tabs) 13:22:31 ty 13:22:50 (i have like a third of the crawl files open) 13:23:42 haha, why? 13:23:58 thanks~ 13:24:07 because i edited vampires 13:24:15 they are literally all over the place 13:24:21 If you use something with an filesearch shortcut (eg Sublime Text) it's easy to bring any given file up fast 13:24:44 still think chainmail3 needs... something 13:24:51 Bloax: I'm gonna try -3 apts and +6 XP 13:24:53 ontoclasm: yeah as i said when i gave it to you 13:25:00 i'm no good at tabards 13:25:05 yeah 13:25:08 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate_doll1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate_doll2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate_doll3.png 13:25:09 updated these 13:25:24 (added a little expansion of the very bottom) 13:25:24 dose hips 13:25:36 (also made them 8-bit PNGs instead of 16-bit ones) 13:25:40 (oops) 13:25:45 hah 13:25:58 drawing in 16-bits-per-color is quite good 13:26:10 storing paletted images less so 13:26:13 do the denzi thing and stick to 256 colors 13:26:23 pls no 13:26:31 think of the children 13:26:43 i run optipng and advpng on everything i commit so the palettes get generated automatically 13:26:47 so that's nice 13:27:15 maybe at some point i should make a little script and do it to every tile we have at once 13:27:16 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27:34 it's been done in the past but then a bunch of unoptimized things were committed 13:27:53 well if you have any mass optimization endeavours then it's probably best to make me do it 13:28:13 because i have unusual amounts of experience in that field 13:28:14 hm? 13:28:17 oh 13:28:41 ontoclasm: iirc kilobyte used to say that it may not be worth it if the filesize gain is small because it only decreases the size of the compiled download, but increases the size of the repository 13:28:58 hm 13:29:23 ontoclasm: so it's best to get it right the first time, then only do optimization on lots of files if they actually do get much smaller by doing that 13:29:24 yeah, i guess in most cases you're saving like... a few kb max 13:29:46 so i guess my current policy is probably best 13:30:45 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:31:09 dcss has like 4.12 MB worth of images right now 13:31:13 which is very little 13:31:38 back in 1997 that would've taken me like... hours to download 13:32:10 * geekosaur thinks it's worth noting that several current and past devs have not been from places known for ubiquitous broadband 13:32:36 sure 13:33:04 but even if i ran some crazy hyperoptimization on it i couldn't push it below 2MB or so, i imagine 13:33:32 so overall probably not worth it 13:34:44 also 13:37:16 -!- _D_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:28 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:47:56 -!- name1 is now known as Basil 13:48:49 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 13:49:02 ontoclasm: how's the plates 13:51:30 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51:38 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:45 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:14 they look good 13:58:26 my only suggestions would be 13:58:36 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:44 the randart has red bits in the shape of a smiley face >.> 13:58:54 and it looks kinda strange 13:59:28 the only only thing would be to add some gloss; its metal, it can have a sharp white highlight directly toward the sun 14:00:07 outside of those they're perfect 14:06:57 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:37 Quick question. I keep reading about "animations" in commits, but didn't notice anything in-game. What's the deal with that? 14:08:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:03 ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster oklob plant failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8979 by Daviar 14:10:01 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest32082 14:10:05 MIC132: there aren't many yet (and probably won't be many), and they are disabled for webtiles at the moment due to implementation issues 14:10:20 I'm playing local self-compiled tiles. 14:11:24 right now, the only things that have animations are casting shatter, getting banished, and picking up the orb 14:13:38 -!- Guest33487 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:13:42 -!- Nicolai_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13:42 ontoclasm: well we are in a dungeon 14:13:52 so it's only fair that the highlights aren't completely off the charts 14:15:33 -!- MIC132_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:22 -!- MIC132 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:29 -!- MIC132_ is now known as MIC132 14:17:46 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21:18 -!- DrKe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:38 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:47 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35:17 -!- aiguu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:46:33 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 14:46:42 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:40 Bloax: i didn't mean to make it brighter 14:48:46 i meant thi: http://wiki.blender.org/uploads/thumb/6/6e/Manual-Shaders-Phong.png/320px-Manual-Shaders-Phong.png 14:49:11 metal has the brightness collected into one spot, rather than spread across its surface, if you see what i mean 14:50:24 at this point i'm honestly just nerfing things for the sake of others 14:50:28 because it's already quite contrasted 14:51:05 ? 14:51:08 nerfing? 14:51:43 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: einweichen] 14:51:46 well i'm the guy that can see black and white pixels on a tiled 2x2 checkerboard :^) 14:52:08 well, ok, but i don't see how that affects this 14:52:39 i'm not talking about the brightness or contrast or detail or whatever 14:52:47 it's just the shape of the shading 14:54:44 frances' armour had it the way i'm describing 14:56:50 oh yeah i wanted to look at dowan&duvessa 14:57:24 where were you when dowan became a metalhead 14:58:38 i saw it, i'm good with your version of him 14:58:51 i just want to make sure duv matches since othrwise it'll look weird seeing them together 14:59:48 but have you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTUzPiC6MRE heard it 15:03:41 hm, on the wraith 15:03:47 does he have one red eye? 15:03:58 i'm not sure i'm reading his face right 15:04:36 he is a bloody skeleton 15:04:49 who caught his face on the visor 15:10:38 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:11:18 -!- tcsc has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:15:39 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:18:27 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:23 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:29 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest7675 15:24:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:38 -!- Guest32082 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:30:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:33:07 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:58 -!- rephenryclay has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:35:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 15:36:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140919030202]] 15:39:04 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [] 15:42:21 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:28 heh 15:44:35 !tell elliptic Divine Shield ability: ...However, it is controlled by your willpower, and your skill with Shields will improve it. 15:44:35 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 15:44:40 !source mon-cast.cc:4384 15:44:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l4384 15:44:44 spot the bug 15:45:03 trick question: crawl has no bugs, only surprise features. 15:45:22 and why mnoleg is creating tentacles that are disconnected from him when he shouldn't be making tentacles because he's got no free space adjacent to him 15:45:38 PleasingFungus: this is an easy quizz, I promise! 15:46:14 *quiz 15:46:40 uh. I give up. tell me the secret, and then I will go to bed 15:46:47 in_bounds check 15:46:49 monster_at check 15:46:58 monster_at check is obvious and a good thing to check 15:47:05 in_bounds is (is this position in the map) 15:47:12 which is a thing we do want! 15:47:16 but it's not the only thing we want 15:47:29 where do we check if the squares are actually like 15:47:30 if we're to place a tentacle (or any monster there) 15:47:31 not walls 15:47:34 that 15:47:35 is the question 15:47:38 ahhh 15:47:42 so it was counting them as free squares 15:47:47 and being like, ok I'll place some 15:47:50 and then the monster placement 15:47:55 was like "NOPE, try here" 15:48:05 which ended up being some random spot 15:48:24 heh 15:48:38 I was wondering if that was checked further down. which it was, in a sense 15:48:40 anyway 15:48:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 15:52:38 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:55:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:56:13 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:56:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:34 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-715-g16937c4: Fix ability text for Divine Shield (PleasingFungus). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16937c449bb1 16:04:54 jefkin (L27 TrMo) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster swamp worm failed to pathfind to (54,34) (you) (Zot (ZotDef)) 16:09:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:12:52 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:17:50 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:19:11 ontoclasm: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate.png 16:19:19 you likey? 16:24:48 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:27:08 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:30:40 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:33:43 Bloax: that looks more like cloth than metal to me 16:34:18 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:34:29 wow cloth has gotten shiny lately 16:35:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49:30 -!- mee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53:01 -!- tcsc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:49 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:08 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:03:52 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:05:42 -!- morphix0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:06:24 -!- Mazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:06 well anyhow 17:09:15 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/plate3.png 17:09:15 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 17:09:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:02 oh shit i forgot all about the spikes 17:12:15 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-715-g16937c4 (34) 17:14:17 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:14:59 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:18:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:18:52 -!- CacoS has quit [] 17:20:06 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:20:43 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest44366 17:23:25 -!- Guest7675 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:23:39 -!- moose has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:31 qq: I notice that player dumps have certain things reported that aren't necessarily available in the milestone, or log files after a game is done, like spotting a monster. 17:24:47 How are those events converted into the morgue? Are those events available post-game for processing? 17:28:30 I think there are save fiels 17:28:31 files 17:28:37 that get generated when you start a game 17:28:42 they are updated as you play 17:28:49 and if you crash, it uses those to regenerate the game state 17:28:55 this information may be stored in there. 17:28:57 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:03 that's a guess. 17:29:27 I dont see why it's unreasonable that you ask for more milestones to be reported if you could use them (that's what theyre for) 17:29:32 oops 17:29:35 wrong channel 17:29:37 sorry 17:30:42 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:31:21 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:34:23 still looking for an answer to my original Q if anyone sees it. thanks! 17:37:04 moose: what section do you see in an in-progress character dump that isn't available in the post-completion log file? 17:38:42 As far as I recall, the information available in a log file is a superset of that from an in-progress dump. 17:40:07 Players can configure what sections (from those available) they want in their dumps/logs, so comparing between players you might find some people that get more information than others. 17:41:43 well 17:42:02 i'm working on a tourney scoring script, and was wondering if I could find out when a monster was spotted 17:42:24 so if I wanted to add a bonus for killing a unique on the same level you found it (or within a # of turns) if that would be possible 17:42:30 right now spotting a unique does not generate a milestone 17:42:32 afaik 17:42:43 the "logfile" is just a one-line summary of some game info... 17:42:46 ah, DGL (the online server program) logs an additional milestone file designed for computer consumption 17:42:50 milestones seem to have the meat and potatoes 17:42:57 that's how Sequell and the existing tourney scripts work 17:43:00 ahh 17:43:21 I'm currently querying from here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/config/sources.yml 17:43:24 They're logged in realtime (noting how the announcer bots report fairly quickly on things) 17:43:34 using that file to generate urls to the milestones, and downloading those 17:43:54 -!- Nuklearni-okurka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:11 is there another set of paths I could be using? 17:44:48 I don't remember the specifics of the DGL milestone logs or how the bots access them. 17:44:51 hmmm.... 17:45:26 The bots never seem to report (or have queryable info) that isn't already available in the files i linked above ... 17:45:35 that's true. 17:45:41 but the morgue dumps do 17:45:45 yes 17:45:48 like shops you found, etc 17:45:49 the bots do not read the morgue dumps 17:46:23 say again what information you want? It could be potentially be added to the milestone logs if needed? 17:46:56 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:57 oh, "first seen unique" 17:47:05 ok walker is here 17:47:12 moose: the reason why the bots do not read the morgue dumps is that players control what is actually written there 17:47:12 qoala> say again what information you want? It could be potentially be added to the milestone logs if needed? 17:47:17 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:25 roger that elliptic 17:47:37 moose: for instance, players can have blank dumps if they really want 17:47:40 I'm just noting that the log lines often have information that could be potentially useful. 17:47:51 so, if we wanted more info, we'd need to generate new milestones 17:48:05 qoala: at the moment, i'm just trying to figure out what information can be pulled and stored from the game 17:48:10 or add more fields to milestones 17:48:23 the limitation is that we don't want milestone files to become really huge 17:48:25 right 17:48:49 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:49:06 if I get a piece of data that I think woudl be particularly interesting to add, I'll bring it here? 17:49:15 even the in-game milestone log "?:" can be configured to not note when uniques have been seen, I think? 17:49:37 but that information is still available from somewhere right? or is it just tossed if it's not recorded in the morgue? 17:49:51 I have no idea 17:49:53 WalkerBoh: it is tossed (and morgues aren't reliable) 17:50:08 So we'd need to start tracking it for this kind of award 17:50:11 WalkerBoh: it's in the ttyrecs if it's online, but that's not exactly an easy format to use 17:50:17 lol 17:50:19 right, i understand that we wouldn't want the bots to pull from morgues for sure 17:50:22 okay ttyrecs yes :) 17:50:37 hahaha 17:50:58 hugeterm data mining 17:51:02 basically if you have an idea for adding something to logfiles/morgues and it won't hugely increase sizes then it can probably happen 17:51:11 it could be conceivably interesting to have a challenge goal that says kill X unique within 20 tuens of spotting him 17:51:13 oslt 17:51:17 but you need to figure it out in advance 17:51:27 (that's the type of challenge that prompted me to mention the noticing) 17:51:36 moose: a uniq.found milestone has been discussed before 17:52:46 why is the dump layout customizable anyway 17:52:47 but elliptic, there's no way to only pull that milestone for certain types of games? 17:52:47 it would be useful for various things, I think the only reason why we didn't add it at the time was that it is a sizable number of new milestones and we were right before a release 17:52:47 WalkerBoh: not sure what you mean 17:52:47 doy: there's some optional sections that some people find useful, but most couldn't care less. 17:52:48 has adding complete skill data (probably packed) been discussed? 17:52:48 elliptic: for instance, is it possible to only record certain milestones for games that are marked as "csdc" 17:52:56 there are some data tables that take up a lot of space in the morgue 17:53:01 that aren't enabled by default 17:53:12 you'd have to set up a definition for what constitutes a csdc game, of course 17:53:28 but it would help with the issue of storage space 17:54:01 WalkerBoh: wouldn't that be just games played by a set of users in a timeframe on a specific version? 17:54:10 character/god 17:54:17 gammafunk: essentially, yes 17:54:18 yeah specific character/god 17:54:22 !kw wk1 17:54:23 Keyword: wk1 => char=vssk cv>0.14 god!=qaz|goz start>20140524 end<20140607 17:54:29 !kw wks 17:54:30 Keyword: wks => wk1|wk2|wk3|wk4|wk5|wk6 17:54:31 WalkerBoh: everything is _possible_ of course 17:54:34 that's how i define csdc games ^ 17:54:46 I dont mind doing the dev work, I'd be worried about clutter 17:54:48 elliptic: but currently it is not set up to do that easily then, i take it 17:55:11 but for this I think it might be best to talk with a server admin about setting up a special competition branch on their server 17:55:28 there are 6+ servers though? 17:55:41 It's nice that competition players can use any of them for latency reasons. 17:55:43 I personally do not like the idea of specifying lists of players in the crawl repository and enforcing behavior specific to that list on all the servers 17:56:00 I would agree 17:56:05 elliptic: understandable, i can't say i disagree 17:56:38 well i have to run, thanks all 17:56:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:58 WalkerBoh: another option that might help is something we've talked about before here, which is to have a second, larger milestone-y stats file that get populated in the same way as milestones/logfile but has many more stats 17:57:16 -!- mee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:57:28 that would be interesting ... would the server admins mind the additional disk-space? 17:57:53 well, I think the files would still be small relative to stuff like ttyrecs even if they were 10x the current size 17:57:59 though I don't remember the exact numbers 17:57:59 good point! 17:58:34 but then, why keep it separate? 17:58:42 would the extra milestones just slow down querying for the bots? 17:59:03 so that the bots like sequell or tourney scripts that update very frequently could use the smaller file still 17:59:07 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:59:33 At least for uniq.found, that sounds like it'd be interesting to have queryable in Sequell. 17:59:37 yeah 17:59:39 for my tourney scripts (csdc), I've been only querying over a small subset of the milestone files (everhing after the first milestone with a certain date) 17:59:56 let me check again how many more milestones uniq.found would create (approximately) 17:59:59 !lm * recent 18:00:02 2686912. [2014-09-20 22:59:41] MegaKyle the Shield-Bearer (L9 FoFi) entered an Ossuary on turn 5519. (D:7) 18:00:04 !lm * recent uniq 18:00:07 988916. [2014-09-20 22:59:34] Flimflam the Destroyer (L22 HEFE of Vehumet) killed Margery on turn 77034. (Depths:1) 18:00:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:32 !calc 2686/37 18:00:33 72 18:00:45 !calc 3786/27 18:00:46 140 18:00:54 so like 40% increase 18:01:14 iirc adding all skill info is a similar increase 18:01:20 any idea what percentage of uniq.found would lead to uniq killed in the overall playerbase? 18:01:33 I'm assuming the numbers would be pretty close 18:01:49 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:57 maybe 50% increase max or some such 18:02:01 I forget, is there an "orb run tomb" keyword in Sequell? (since, like "how long between finding and killing uniq" that would also involve checking multiple milestones in one query) 18:02:12 qoala: not a keyword, a very complicated query 18:02:15 a black magician made !orbruntomb 18:02:24 !cmd !orbruntomb 18:02:24 Command: !orbruntomb => =orbruntomb.helper $(name_fixup "${1:-.}") $* 18:02:31 !cmd =orbruntomb.helper 18:02:31 Command: =orbruntomb.helper => .echo $(let (name $1 tomb_array $(orb_run_tombs_array_for $1 $2)) $(let (chars (map $(fn (x) $(nth 3 $x)) $tomb_array)) $(if $(> (length $tomb_array) 0) $(if $(= (length $tomb_array) 1) "$name orb-ran tomb once with a ${chars}! Fantastic!" "$name orb-ran tomb $(length $tomb_array) times (${chars})! Amazing!") "$name hasn't orb-run tomb yet... :("))) 18:02:42 etc 18:02:49 right 18:03:37 anyway adding in uniq.found and skill info to sequell-queryable stuff would be nice and a 2x increase in size might be acceptable 18:04:00 So even if we had a uniq.found milestone getting aggregate statistics on how often players kill each unique, how long they wait, etc. would be painful 18:04:13 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:04:19 how so? 18:04:33 qoala: well, it would require some work to do it inside sequell 18:04:35 For csdc I can gather quite complex data via post-procesing with a shell script 18:04:46 which is how I generate the tourney pages 18:04:48 if you download the milestones/logfiles and do queries locally then it would be fine 18:05:11 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:38 true. But being able to run the queries through Sequell does seem to make validating the effect of changes across versions easier. 18:05:58 this is what I created for last season: http://rob.pecknology.net/csdc/ 18:11:32 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:12:11 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:19:57 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:06 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:33:22 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:34:34 -!- Jho has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:34:50 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [] 18:37:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:34 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:22 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:09 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:52:00 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:52:03 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:46 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:54:01 -!- mamgarchan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:54:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:10:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:11:47 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:47 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:29 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:28 are there wizmode commands for ru? 19:42:22 <|amethyst> &- (get gift) offers you new sacrifices 19:42:31 thanks 19:43:10 -!- __miek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:16 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarch] 19:47:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:55 !tell ontoclasm btw i forgot to fancy up the artifact plate a bit 19:47:56 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 19:48:20 does ru have any overflow altars yet 19:56:57 -!- mee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:03:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:05:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:11 no, not yet 20:05:11 wheals: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:05:14 dang 20:05:19 you're a popular guy! 20:14:31 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:17:33 !learn del ru to do[2 20:17:33 Deleted ru to do[2/2]: sac hand's turning off Shields skill isn't working; other skills are. 20:20:45 !tell johnny0 seems to be working now for me! 20:20:45 wheals: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 20:29:16 -!- eoc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:31:59 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 20:33:34 -!- Delizin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:34:37 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:35:53 wtf 20:36:08 there's a check for sub uselessness added to spl-book.cc in 603939af70ec593653f9cd693764068f71aef34b 20:36:20 i do git log -p spl-book.cc, and it hasn't been removed since 20:36:24 ...but it's not there? 20:36:37 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:36:44 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest21545 20:38:02 is git lying to me? is there something wrong with my clone? 20:39:22 -!- Guest44366 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:51 <|amethyst> wheals: it was removed by the merge commit 682baf4c4 20:40:02 %git 682baf4c4 20:40:02 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-2325-g682baf4: Merge branch 'master' into iashol 10(8 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=682baf4c4e37 20:40:22 merges... 20:40:53 anyway, that's the reason for #8978 20:41:08 not sure why ghouls have no blood, aren't they rotting corpses? 20:41:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:43:23 -!- Guest18353 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44:13 -!- tw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:11 -!- Bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:50:22 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:45 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:12 -!- jarpiain is now known as Guest81445 20:54:21 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:54:42 -!- Tenda is now known as TendaAway 20:55:53 -!- TendaAway is now known as Tenda 21:02:11 ??poison arrow 21:02:11 poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power). 21:05:20 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:07:53 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:17 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:09:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11:03 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-716-gd266e8e: Fix some bugs with tentacle placement. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d266e8e96750 21:11:17 -!- Guest21545 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11:30 !send gammafunk tentacled bugs 21:12:22 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 21:13:38 for some reason my make has been hanging on LINK recently, though perhaps it's just that i switched to make debug 21:13:42 anyone else noticed this? 21:13:54 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:13 !lm * sacrifice 21:15:13 178. [2014-09-21 02:13:01] fibs5 the Cruncher (L9 VSGl of Ru) sacrificed words! (D:8) 21:15:17 !lm * sacrifice s=noun 21:15:18 178 milestones for * (sacrifice): 16x love, 15x essence: disrupted casting (-Wiz), 14x drink, 13x essence: reduced magical capacity (-10% MP), 12x words, 11x stealth, 9x dodging, 9x hand, 7x armour, 6x health: slowed reflexes (EV -3), 5x essence: vulnerability to magic (MR-), 5x evocations, 5x sanity, 4x purity: dopiness (-2 Int), 4x arcana: inability to use Summoning magic, inability to use Necro... 21:15:30 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:52 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:17:08 did that proposal to uncap MP ever get anything beyond consideration? 21:17:23 it was on the tavern a while ago and I believe I saw a couple devs liking the idea 21:17:26 not sure what happened to it 21:17:55 they went the opposite direction and in 0.16 the cap will be lowered to 20mp 21:18:58 extreme tactics, I like it 21:20:00 "this will keep them from proposing things!" one dev was heard to utter, while cackling 21:21:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-717-g39ff3b0: Update Shields skill description. 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39ff3b08feb5 21:21:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-718-g3317211: Add Patashu to CREDITS.txt. 10(43 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3317211e3dfa 21:21:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-719-g46fedb6: Fix a reversed check (nagdon). 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=46fedb65bb13 21:21:15 03Ben Haines02 {wheals} 07* 0.16-a0-720-g8150550: Ru redirect no longer identifies foe 10(18 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=815055011dad 21:21:15 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-721-g3f81eef: Restore some code accidentally merged away (|amethyst, #8978). 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f81eefd883e 21:27:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:27:47 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 21:27:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 21:29:02 !tell nrook could you rebase your nopiety trove stuff? git am failed on it, it looks like lm_trove.lua has been changed slightly since your patch 21:29:02 wheals: OK, I'll let nrook know. 21:29:29 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29:57 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30:13 greensnark: could you make !kw ru a built-in? 21:30:25 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30:39 Oh right 21:30:53 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:31:04 all these new-fangled gods :) 21:31:58 !lg * ds 21:31:59 394863. Delvonshi the Shield-Bearer (L5 DsFi), slain by Grinder on D:3 on 2014-09-21 02:16:22, with 186 points after 2241 turns and 0:08:40. 21:32:04 !lg * ds 1 21:32:05 1/394863. huberth the Skirmisher (L2 DSGl), slain by a snake on D:4 on 2006-12-04 18:21:14, with 99 points after 879 turns and 0:04:02. 21:32:16 !lg * mifi ds 21:32:17 1. meneril the Skirmisher (L1 MiFi), quit the game on D:1 on 2008-10-04 21:07:46, with 20 points after 0 turns and 0:00:02. 21:32:23 any idea what's up with that game? 21:33:22 Bad data in the logs 21:33:22 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:48 I need to run a cleanup script, probably sometime next week 21:34:16 There were a whole bunch of those games, not just one 21:34:30 !lg * race=yak 21:34:30 Also milestones without char abbrevs altogether 21:34:31 2. darkli the Shield-Bearer (L1 MDFi), slain by a worm on D:7 on 2013-06-01 04:25:03, with 27 points after 1117 turns and 0:02:34. 21:34:35 !lm * char= 21:34:40 89. [2007-04-07 17:40:25] rob the Infuser (L11 of Sif Muna) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 16928. (Lair:1) 21:34:42 huh 21:34:50 The new loader filtered out yaks 21:35:03 !lg * mdfi s=race 21:35:03 52978 games for * (mdfi): 52977x Mountain Dwarf, Yak 21:35:13 or did it ;) 21:35:13 With some exceptions apparently :P 21:35:27 Well it doesn't explicitly look for yaks 21:35:43 -!- bowlsicko has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:35:46 But it does insist on a valid name + start time 21:35:56 And most yaks didn't have start time 21:36:20 makes sense, if they're messed up 21:36:24 !lg * race=yak 1 21:36:25 1/2. POSSIBLYLAINIW the Magician (L1 ElFE), quit the game on D:1 (saegor_entry_fortress) on 2013-05-31 17:37:09, with 20 points after 0 turns and 0:00:02. 21:36:30 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36:32 ah, that same bug 21:36:41 in crawl, not in Sequell 21:36:59 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:37:28 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:37:42 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:46:00 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:46:28 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:01 -!- khons has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:59 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 22:06:44 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:06:55 -!- schistosoma has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:08:13 -!- Kramin has quit [Client Quit] 22:12:58 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:40 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:25:54 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:29:11 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 22:30:17 %git :/curse armour 22:30:17 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-2939-ge0b1554: Fix inverted logic for curse armour/jewellery scrolls (Medar) 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b155482b74 22:31:07 are scrolls of curse armour back? 22:31:35 only for ash worshippers, I think 22:33:14 in current trunk. 22:33:18 ^whereis johnstein 22:33:18 johnstein the Changer (L4 FoTm) is currently on D:3 after 2043 turns. 22:33:20 As you read the scroll labeled KLIEBA SEUPH, it crumbles to dust. 22:33:22 Your +0 robe glows black for a moment. It was a scroll of curse armour. 22:33:35 Formicid Transmuter. no god 22:33:36 hm 22:33:55 * geekosaur too tired to recall properly apparently 22:34:40 -!- cribo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:35:30 it prompted me to select a piece of armour 22:35:44 then it cursed it 22:36:13 oh weird 22:36:19 yeah that shouldn't happen to my knowledge 22:36:38 !lm johnstein x=cv 22:36:39 1342. [2014-09-17 08:38:51] [cv=0.15] johnstein the Ducker (L1 FeAK of Lugonu) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (Abyss:1) 22:36:42 my darts are also a ? (no icon) 22:36:53 !lg . x=cv 22:36:53 2236. [cv=0.15] gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), slain by a baby alligator (led by an alligator) on Swamp:3 on 2014-09-20 17:51:00, with 16697 points after 7886 turns and 1:05:57. 22:37:04 !lm johnstein fo-- 22:37:05 4. [2014-09-04 00:46:56] johnstein the Skirmisher (L8 FoAr of Nemelex Xobeh) killed Edmund on turn 8307. (D:6) 22:37:05 !lg johnstein fotm 22:37:05 No games for johnstein (fotm). 22:37:16 !lm johnstein fotm 22:37:16 No milestones for johnstein (fotm). 22:37:27 this is local? 22:37:27 This is Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3 22:37:33 no. cbro trunk 22:37:43 weird that I don't see the starting miletone 22:37:44 not in wiz mode? 22:37:47 milestone 22:37:49 nope 22:37:55 well then that's odd 22:38:04 !lm johnstein 22:38:05 1342. [2014-09-17 08:38:51] johnstein the Ducker (L1 FeAK of Lugonu) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (Abyss:1) 22:38:08 !lm johnstein fotm 22:38:08 No milestones for johnstein (fotm). 22:38:18 somehow the game isn't tracked 22:38:30 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:13 http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/saves/johnstein-crawl-git-5fa01b33c6-140921-0340.tar.bz2 22:40:46 &versions 22:40:50 wait. trunk? darts? 22:40:57 CAO: 0.16-a0-714-ga1afcf4, CBRO: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3, CDO: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3, CKR: 0.16-a0-714-ga1afcf4, CLAN: 0.16-a0-715-g16937c4, CSZO: 0.16-a0-705-g5fa01b3 22:41:23 the game started a while ago 22:41:27 but I always update it 22:41:37 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:44 hm, can you dump (and link to the dump?) 22:41:53 that will show when you transferred 22:42:15 ^dump 22:42:15 http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/morgue/johnstein/johnstein.txt 22:42:28 ROTATELL! 22:42:30 &&dump 22:42:33 &dump 22:42:34 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/johnstein/johnstein.txt 22:43:07 ouch 22:43:11 0.14 22:43:15 good start in 0.14 yes 22:43:26 anyway that explains things 22:43:28 didn't realize the game was that old 22:43:38 I still have an 0.13-trunk parked on cszo, iirc 22:43:45 !locateall duph 22:43:46 Failed to locate duph. 22:43:48 but still, why no milestone? 22:43:57 the game start milestone isn't that old 22:43:58 was that added in 0.13 or 0.14? 22:44:00 maybe it got nuked, probably for the best 22:44:03 !lm * begin 1 x=cv 22:44:08 1/690654. [2014-01-24 22:35:33] [cv=0.14-a] qwqw the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 22:44:15 !locateall 22:44:16 Failed to locate geekosaur. 22:44:18 geekosaur: locateall doesn't work without a milestone 22:44:32 it was XL23, IIRC 22:44:34 must have started this before the begin milestone went in? 22:44:44 geekosaur: oh, also locateall requires recent 22:44:47 !kw recent 22:44:47 Keyword: recent => cv>=0.14 22:44:50 ah 22:45:10 oh, I didn't realize that the beginning game milestone was relatively recent 22:45:21 %locate duph 22:45:28 !locateall . 22:45:32 beh, not worth it 22:45:36 gammafunk: CBRO 0.16-a, L1 HESu of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L1 HEIE of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L1 HEIE of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L1 DEWz of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L1 HuFi of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L5 NaAs of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L19 HESu of Sif Muna | CSZO 0.15-a, L9 HESu of Sif Muna | CSZO 0.15-a, L8 HESu of Sif Muna | CSZO 0.15-a, L7 HESu of No God | CSZO 0.15-a, L8 HESu of Sif Muna | CSZO 0.15-a, L12 ... 22:45:41 ah right 22:45:45 wiz mode messes that up real good 22:46:06 that or I sure have a lot of games going 22:46:43 -!- mamaG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:50 ontoclasm1: I'd like to make it so that the option to show the monster tile for the player could show the wielded weapon, is there a problem with that? 22:51:09 -!- alefury has quit [] 22:51:56 I guess one problem is that not all such tiles can actually show the weapon 22:52:06 !lm johnstein fo 22:52:07 5. [2014-09-21 03:49:47] johnstein the Changer (L5 FoTm) entered the Ecumenical Temple on turn 3080. (D:4) 22:52:14 !lg 22:52:14 186. johnstein the Changer (L5 FoTm), blasted by an orc wizard (puff of flame) in the Temple (cyrus_temple_forest_13) on 2014-09-21 03:50:28, with 100 points after 3084 turns and 0:32:29. 22:55:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:55:34 so now I can try a proper 0.16 game. really want to try Ru 22:56:17 !lg * god=ru won s=name 22:56:17 13 games for * (god=ru won): 2x Basil, 2x joy1999, Sky, Lasty, darkli, bananaken, NeCobalt, wheals, nago, Mandragora, DrKe 22:56:48 !tell Basil So I gues you like Ru, you've won with it twice 22:56:49 gammafunk: OK, I'll let basil know. 22:58:35 sacrifice dodging and charms makes things rather simpler 22:58:35 Basil: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:58:38 !messages 22:58:39 (1/1) gammafunk said (1m 50s ago): So I gues you like Ru, you've won with it twice 22:58:50 ru-de? 22:59:19 they were gh 23:02:27 What does that mean? 23:02:51 Well, I know what it *means* but, how is that an explanation 23:03:31 !lg Basil Gh-- won s=char 23:03:33 17 games for Basil (Gh-- won): 2x GhHu, GhEE, GhAs, GhDK, GhWn, GhCK, GhAr, GhAM, GhWr, GhMo, GhFi, GhSk, GhVM, GhAK, GhCj, GhGl 23:03:42 sacrificing stuff he didn't actually have in any meaningful way anyway? 23:03:43 wow, practically greatergh 23:03:51 gammafunk: 23:04:05 !lg . ru 1 23:04:05 1/2. Basil the Middleweight Champion (L27 GhWn of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-16 23:03:55, with 1709171 points after 69991 turns and 4:05:44. 23:04:11 !lg . ru 2 23:04:11 2. Basil the Middleweight Champion (L27 GhEE of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-17 09:44:26, with 1591485 points after 79315 turns and 4:00:09. 23:04:13 !stats ghee 23:04:14 Starting stats for GhEE: Str 11 Int 10 Dex 9. Stat gain: s/5 23:04:39 !lg . ru 2 x=ac,ev,str,int,dex 23:04:40 2. [ac=52;ev=19;str=25;int=10;dex=9] Basil the Middleweight Champion (L27 GhEE of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-17 09:44:26, with 1591485 points after 79315 turns and 4:00:09. 23:07:10 &rc DrKe 23:07:11 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/DrKe.rc 23:11:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:15:37 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:17:06 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:34 So we're agreed that I should push this rewrite of all monster descriptions that uses the first person extensively? Great 23:20:52 you are a pain in the first person's behind. 23:21:35 PleasingFungus: imo you should extend that to the second person's behind too 23:21:36 !!! 23:21:51 PleasingFungus: aren't you on vacation? What are you doing here???? :b 23:22:06 You see the dark, musky clouds of poison surrounding the Spider Queen. She is the Spider Queen, yes, and her poison is death... 23:22:42 waiting for breakfast 23:22:44 gammafunk: ship it 23:23:35 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 23:23:36 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:29:52 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [] 23:30:28 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:02 gammafunk: yes, please do the monster-tile weapon thing 23:37:10 ok, another thing 23:37:13 the only reason i did not is that i couldn't figure it out 23:37:23 yeah I'm looking at it now, and it seems pretty easy 23:37:27 but what do you think 23:37:37 about letting the player choose whatever monster tile they want? 23:37:43 so I coulde use the DE summoner tile <3 23:37:46 that would be fine too 23:37:53 yesss 23:38:05 the only issue is weapons I guess 23:38:14 well in general 23:38:14 i dunno how you'd do the interface for that 23:38:20 well it'd be an rc thing I think 23:38:25 but if you can figure it out go right ahead 23:38:35 we'd have to let them specify the tile by the enum value or something like that 23:39:16 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:39:45 Brannock_: re max mp, you may be remembering me making an extremely sarcastic comment "in favor" of removing the cap 23:39:51 I don't remember any other devs supporting the idea 23:39:58 s/other // 23:40:52 * doy does not support the idea 23:42:54 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:18 Tiles Randomly Black Out 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8980 by Akamadoushi 23:44:23 well, bloax isn't here, but what do you guys think 23:44:24 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/dandd.png 23:44:57 oh, nice 23:45:12 I swear dowan blinked at me 23:45:44 vis https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8350 for the originals 23:46:01 ...does dowan ever wield anything 23:46:39 yeah 23:46:49 !lg . ikiller=dowan s=kaux 23:46:51 unknown monster: "down" 23:46:51 %??down 23:46:51 3 games for gammafunk (ikiller=dowan): 2x shard of ice, a +0,+0 elven dagger 23:46:54 Dowan (05e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 25 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | XP: 46 | Sp: throw frost (3d5), corona, blink, throw flame (3d5), haste other, 04esc:minor healing (2d1) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:46:54 %??dowan 23:46:58 elven dagger 23:47:08 !lg * ikiller=dowan s=kaux 23:47:09 7637 games for * (ikiller=dowan): 3166x shard of ice, 1490x stone arrow, 582x puff of flame, 458x puff of frost, 290x, 189x wand of frost, 168x wand of magic darts, 152x wand of flame, 76x a +0,+0 elven dagger, 72x a +2,+0 elven dagger, 56x a +1,+0 elven dagger, 39x wand of disintegration, 23x a +0 dagger, 16x a +0,+0 dagger, 12x a +1,+0 elven short sword, 11x a +0,+0 elven short sword, 10x a +2,+... 23:47:57 !killratio dowan . 23:47:59 dowan wins 3.370% of battles against gammafunk. 23:48:06 !killratio dowan * 23:48:08 dowan wins 4.556% of battles. 23:48:45 well... i guess it's okay, it's not like his current tile shows a weapon either 23:51:25 -!- lgft has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51:54 !lg * killer=dowan kaux~~spear 23:51:55 3. Ractero the Sneak (L6 HEAs of Zin), slain by Dowan (a -1,+1 orcish spear) on D:4 on 2013-07-21 13:00:32, with 452 points after 3183 turns and 0:32:04. 23:52:03 this seems like it would be useful information 23:52:07 also scythes, glaives, etc 23:55:10 :/ 23:55:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:51 ??console_reasons 23:55:52 console reasons[1/2]: i converted to console to throw my wife off the trail, now she knows it's a game :( 23:55:58 haha 23:56:01 ??console_reasons[2 23:56:01 console reasons[2/2]: women don't even like tiles players they're like 'ew you play lame video games' but with console it's like, 'wow, so you're good at computers' 23:57:36 &rc DrKe 23:57:37 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/DrKe.rc