00:01:36 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.0-25-gd84c1e8 00:03:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-343-gabea0e8 (34) 00:05:39 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:11:11 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15.0-25-gd84c1e8 (34) 00:17:17 -!- jefkin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:35 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24:39 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:30 ASSERT(save) in 'tags.h' at line 51 failed. 00:26:30 %??ghost_crab 00:26:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:52 |amethyst: is the monster crash on ghost crab known/expected? 00:29:13 -!- mong has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:31:39 yes 00:31:47 well, maybe not for him i guess! 00:33:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:35:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:42 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:42:25 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:27 !lg PleasingFungus won god=beogh 00:44:27 1. PleasingFungus the Messiah (L27 HOFi of Beogh), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-01-30 05:38:30, with 1524942 points after 82888 turns and 7:30:29. 00:44:41 !lg . beogh 00:44:42 3. PleasingFungus the Warrior (L26 HOFE of Beogh), blasted by a pale draconian knight (bolt of cold) on Zot:2 on 2014-06-30 17:56:29, with 579471 points after 67887 turns and 6:41:24. 00:44:47 that was p funny 00:45:19 hofe of beogh 00:45:24 Good Plan 00:45:41 at one point I put on new plate mail 00:45:50 then forgot about it and repeatedly tried to cast sticky flame 00:46:10 and caused a miscast which hurt all my surrounding allies, pissing off beogh and causing huge penance 00:46:14 it was great 00:46:14 haha 00:46:35 not a bad char other than that, tho 00:46:47 -!- Groot_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:46:55 Orc good magic spells! Orc burn elf with fire! Watch!.....*explodes in a ball of flame* 00:46:56 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:47:14 fr: rcfile option warn on miscast % >x 00:47:21 for a long time there was a dungeon level that I had to be careful of because it was just 00:47:29 filled with perma-summoned hostile orc warlords 00:47:59 also, is anyone familiar with why the reported miscast rates appear to be very wrong at low percentages? 00:48:28 ? 00:48:38 I don't think the actual miscast rates are necessarilly bad, but they are definitely not 10-20% when they're reported as such 00:48:44 there was a huge discussion (read: causative said a thing) on this before and minmay or elliptic asserted that displayed miscast rates are correct 00:48:55 iirc 00:48:58 ya 00:49:01 what makes you think they're wrong, gammafunk? 00:49:10 that's interesting, I'll have to look and try it out myself, because they just some terribly off 00:49:13 *seem 00:49:20 human intuition for probability is really really bad 00:49:41 I mean we just had stealth bug so I'd look like an idiot ruling anything out out of hand 00:49:43 yes that's the claim, but I'm pretty certain they're off; I'll look at it more carefuly 00:49:57 remember yermak's infinite contam bug? one of my favorites 00:50:25 and the fix was really sneaky, a patch contributor found it after |amethyst and I couldn't 00:50:36 I remember the infinite chaos bug 00:50:46 chaos, uh, batform iirc 00:50:58 oh wait no it was invis 00:51:09 yeah this was caused by going invis from chaos clouds 00:51:26 -!- grit has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:51:34 from apoc. crabs in yermak's case 00:51:47 he made it quite far in the endgame with constant contam and contam explosions/mutations 00:51:50 but did die eventually 00:51:59 you'd need to automate casting and recording the result if you want to test miscast empirically, or have a lot of free time... 00:52:03 plutonium dwarf foreshadowing 00:52:08 fr: wizsim 00:52:17 would also be good for testing spell damage 00:52:17 yeah I will probably do something simple to test it out 00:52:21 you can do just some lua for it 00:52:26 oh right, duh 00:52:27 won't be hard 00:53:46 -!- jason44 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:58:10 -!- winsbury has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:34 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:11:37 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:15:47 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 01:17:34 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:18 -!- ciaphas has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:21:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:23:35 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:24:00 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 01:24:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140905030206]] 01:32:20 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 01:37:18 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 01:45:11 -!- jefkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:55:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:34 -!- Yashichi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:03:33 -!- ciaphas has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 02:13:09 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:13:23 -!- tkappleton2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:01 -!- ark is now known as Guest94806 02:16:53 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:19 -!- Guest94806 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:59 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:21:31 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:49 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:24:27 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:30:50 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 02:34:04 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:17 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:39:22 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:49:33 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:57:00 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:57:34 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:39 ASSERT(save) in 'tags.h' at line 51 failed. 02:57:39 %??ghost crab 02:58:24 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 03:18:06 -!- qwer has quit [Client Quit] 03:25:40 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:01 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:33:53 -!- frobop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34:05 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:34:21 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:26 -!- Napkin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42:48 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:43:44 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:42 Ranged attacks don't warn if they are about to hit pacified monsters 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8943 by Zooty 03:45:56 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:47 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:51:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:54:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:15 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 04:01:22 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02:42 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.7.0/20140723063708]] 04:03:52 -!- ark is now known as Guest90362 04:04:45 -!- Guest90362 has quit [Client Quit] 04:04:46 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:09:06 is jiyva supposed to get mad if you attack a jelly/eye shaped shifter 04:09:10 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 04:09:11 (they're still hostile) 04:14:15 you do get warned for what it's worth 04:14:27 -!- croikle has quit [Quit: croikle] 04:15:18 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 04:19:37 -!- dreamaddict has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:26:47 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:42 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:34:06 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:20 <|amethyst> hm 04:39:36 <|amethyst> I guess dobrazupa.org will start throwing https warnings in November 04:43:28 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 04:46:14 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:47:33 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:07 Strangely, many of the most popular websites in the world are still using SHA-1. 04:57:35 <|amethyst> google themselves don't plan to upgrade until later this year 05:04:27 I don't suppose there's a way to simply change the expiration date of Dobrazupa's SSL; IIRC, that seems to be Reddit's plan; their SSL expires just shortly before SHA-1 is deemed obsolete, and so they don't trigger a warning in Chrome. 05:04:42 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:05:22 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:02 If your SSL expires after SHA-1 is deemed obsolete, only then do you trigger the warning. 05:09:05 <|amethyst> xFleury: chrome 41 will start giving the yellow triangle for all certs with an SHA-1 signature in the chain 05:09:21 <|amethyst> xFleury: ones that expire after 1 January 2017 will get the red X 05:09:41 |amethyst: reddit will bare the yellow triangle, but not the red one, according to at least one reddit admin 05:10:12 <|amethyst> xFleury: and even if I do get a new cert, that doesn't do anything about my CA's intermediate CA cert being SHA-1 05:10:54 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:20 -!- Stoats has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 05:13:03 |amethyst: If you want my recommendation about it; find a 20% GoDaddy promotion, and then buy a SSL on a 2-year contract (20% off), for a total of 40%. Nobody on Earth will offer anything near the savings you can get with GoDaddy, and you get not just SHA-2, but up to like 2048 bit encryption. 05:13:45 IIRC, that's twice what even Skype encrypts personal messages that are P2P with. 05:15:00 <|amethyst> xFleury: OU=Go Daddy Class 2 Certification Authority uses SHA-1 05:15:52 <|amethyst> the child of that one, OU=Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority, uses SHA-256, though 05:19:35 Hmm, should Dithmenos dislike Dazzling Spray? 05:19:57 <|amethyst> Keskitalo: I think so, but there were objections 05:20:18 <|amethyst> Keskitalo: "down that path lies madness" 05:20:28 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 05:20:51 I suppose, where to stop? :) 05:21:21 <|amethyst> I think banning Corona but not banning Dazzling Spray is silly, though 05:21:31 It feels inconsistent. 05:21:58 Shadow Creatures spawning OoF a little more inconsistent. :P 05:22:08 <|amethyst> xFleury: are they friendly? 05:22:11 yah 05:22:49 GoDaddy really SHA-1? I never knew that; I'll look into that when my SSL renews in a couple months. 05:23:12 Talk about misleading advertising, they promised me SHA-2 and 2048 bit encryption? 05:23:21 <|amethyst> xFleury: Maybe that's one that's high enough on the chain that it's verified by perfect match rather than signature 05:23:29 But if that doesn't count because it's a child CA, then it doesn't count. 05:24:03 <|amethyst> I was just looking at dropbox's cert chain 05:24:57 GoDaddy seems to take serious complaints serious on BBB, so if you are right, I'll be writing a nasty complaint on it. :P 05:35:57 -!- crate__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36:52 -!- crate_ has quit [Client Quit] 05:38:23 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38:38 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 05:42:17 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:42:31 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:34 |amethyst: from a game I was playing 2 days ago: http://i.imgur.com/Ew7GSkV.png 05:46:52 -!- crate_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:01 -!- raskol_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:46 -!- raskol__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:33 -!- raskol_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:49 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:50:39 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:57:44 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:01:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:15 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:02:16 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 06:02:21 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:03:26 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Client Quit] 06:03:34 -!- SomeStupidGirl is now known as SomeStupidGuy 06:04:05 <|amethyst> xFleury: hm, so it's not clear to me exactly which monsters should hate Dith 06:04:29 <|amethyst> xFleury: for now I'm using _mons_is_fiery but that doesn't include things like sun demons 06:04:44 <|amethyst> (well, mons->is_fiery but that calls the other) 06:06:10 I'm probably the least knowledgeable person to discuss it with. :( 06:06:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-344-gd9f3aeb: Don't accept fiery summons under Dith (xFleury) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9f3aebc6628 06:10:15 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:19 gammafunk: about miscast rate display, I should clarify that there could certainly be a bug, but I'm very skeptical of people who say that there "must be a bug" just because they had a moderately unlikely sequence of miscasts happen to them once :P 06:12:41 gammafunk: actually checking things would of course be great 06:24:27 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:26 -!- raskol__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:29:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:34:02 -!- Azzkikr_ is now known as Azzkikr 06:35:15 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 06:37:45 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:38:58 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:40:56 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:41:32 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:38 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 06:48:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 06:51:06 |amethyst: does %git d9f3aebc make OoF spawn hostile to you, or simply not spawn? IIRC, the Dragons Call spell simply won't summon Golden Dragons or Swamp Dragons if you worship TSO, rather than summoning them hostile. So I think just preventing the spawn of OoF would be more consistent than having them actually spawn hostile. 06:51:22 -!- Pluie|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:24 <|amethyst> xFleury: shadow creatures won't spawn them at all 06:51:34 <|amethyst> xFleury: other summon spells would make them hostile 06:52:41 <|amethyst> elliptic: Evaluates each form in a scope where an unbound name evaluates to the empty string. 06:53:23 -!- syllogism_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:20 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:55:57 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:35 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 06:56:35 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:35 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:36 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:39 -!- gigantic_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:53 -!- Guest43146 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:00:53 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:01:22 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 07:01:22 -!- Pacra has quit [*.net *.split] 07:01:59 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:53 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:08:34 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 07:11:19 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:41 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:29 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:59 03edlothiol02 07* 0.16-a0-345-ge51d076: Webtiles: Don't unnecessarily resend some messages (rwbarton). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e51d0761f194 07:24:01 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:35 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:27:35 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:15 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:35:44 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:33 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:37:47 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:43:23 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:45:23 -!- SomeStupidGirl is now known as SomeStupidGuy 07:50:53 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 07:53:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:02:43 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:08:42 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 08:10:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:16 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:57 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:28:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:44 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 08:42:23 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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10:39:04 fairly certain not 10:39:49 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:39:52 !source _mons_is_fiery 10:39:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l5283 10:40:07 but that's incomplete 10:40:08 hold on 10:40:24 -!- eki has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:40:49 oy 10:40:51 mons_is_fiery 10:40:52 !source mons_is_fiery 10:40:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l5283 10:41:16 !source mon-util.cc:675 10:41:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l675 10:41:23 ^ the list 10:43:58 is is_fiery used for something else then 10:44:19 oh wait 10:44:27 look above that, mons_is_illuminating 10:44:32 which claims it's for dith 10:44:39 ah, nice 10:44:41 so daevas probably are hated then 10:45:07 also, does that mean that tiamat is hated, but only if she is currently in fire form? 10:45:16 probably 10:45:30 that seems odd 10:45:58 should be like /random: dangerous in one way, thus hated 10:46:04 right 10:46:23 yeah I'm not saying that's the correct behaviour, just something that seems like it might plausibly fall out of that code 10:46:26 yeah 10:48:02 anyway, i think "fire, and things that have an actual gameplay effect related to the amount of light" wouldn't be too bad 10:48:12 so corona and halo, but not elec 10:48:59 i mean, flavorwise, halos should certainly be hated by dith, and corona is effectively a single-tile halo 10:49:28 I can accept this 10:50:06 luckily, this is exactly what is currently implemented! 10:50:08 (: 10:50:14 although tiamat should probably be fixed 10:50:34 doy: I really liked it when I got Dith penance for an accidental forest fire 10:50:48 heh 10:50:57 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:59 that was a recurring complaint, because the penance was so huge 10:51:03 iirc it was tweaked a bit back 10:51:30 what caused the fire? 10:51:52 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52:00 doy: Currently ugly things are hated only if they are red 10:52:00 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:19 magicpoints: ah, yeah, good point 10:52:51 (so theoretically you could wait around until they turn red for an extra drop of piety) 10:52:59 also, shifters 10:53:07 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:13 yeah, ugly things should just always be hated 10:53:19 shifters are kind of less clear 10:53:49 -!- Pluie|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53:50 in that it'd be confusing if you kill some random monster without seeing it change, and then you get dith piety for it 10:53:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:54:53 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:54:59 doy: lighting wand 10:55:05 penance was ok, not too much 10:55:17 oh, i didn't realize that could happen 10:55:24 <|amethyst> ... 10:55:33 |amethyst: ? 10:55:45 <|amethyst> I had not realised that we had mons_is_fiery in addition to monster::is_fiery and _mons_is_fiery 10:55:50 hahaha 10:55:51 haha 10:55:59 well, they're overlapping but distinct 10:56:01 <|amethyst> and of course I used the wrong one 10:56:05 i'm kinda curious what mons::is_fiery is used for 10:56:17 <|amethyst> doy: "is made of fire" for water effects I believe 10:56:19 <|amethyst> dousable 10:56:22 ah, okay 10:56:32 also, checks if monsters are immune to lava orcs' heat aura 10:56:58 <|amethyst> so I guess that should be using mons_is_fiery || mons_is_illuminating 10:57:13 <|amethyst> or rather, two 10:57:19 <|amethyst> one for DID_FIRE and one for DID_ILLUMINATE 10:57:39 <|amethyst> also, if we are going with "things that have an actual gameplay effect related to the amount of light", that would include dazzling spray 10:57:50 mm 10:57:52 <|amethyst> fulminant prism isn't clear to me (is it an explosion of light?) 10:57:58 it's just kinda fulminating 10:58:06 also, I'm not sure how i feel about all this anti-hex stuff on a stealth god 10:58:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:58:16 it would be an Interesting Drawback if dith was stronger 10:58:48 <|amethyst> dith just got stronger a few bugfixes ago :) 10:59:38 heh 10:59:56 idk. do we want to discourage hexers (en) from using dith? 11:00:04 if so, ban illumination. if not, only ban fiery stuff. 11:00:30 would it really affect anything other than corona and dazzling spray? 11:00:40 dazzlespray is kind of a big deal 11:01:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:01:08 okay, i've never used it (it wasn't around last time i played enchanters) 11:02:19 -!- Pluie|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-346-g3cf1ba7: Use the correct fiery check for Dith monster anger. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cf1ba7b8b6a 11:03:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-347-ge97bf62: Also anger illuminating monsters under Dith. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e97bf624529e 11:03:49 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:03:49 -!- Pluie|3 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:12 if you want a smooth stabbing ride i can heartily recommend something like VSAs^Chei 11:04:25 <|amethyst> Also, someone rename one of those functions 11:04:46 <|amethyst> actor::is_made_of_fire perhaps 11:05:01 is_fire 11:05:05 :) 11:05:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 35.0a1/20140905030206]] 11:06:27 -!- Pluie|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:06:36 "Makhleb wants to see bloodshed as quickly as possible and will give players the bare minimum of time needed to prove themselves as SPEED DEMONS. Makhleb isn't interested in digging (and has cacodemons for that), so formicids are not eligible for the first tier of this banner. " 11:06:39 who wrote this 11:06:46 -!- schistosomatic is now known as schistosoma 11:07:29 I vote for enjoyablemushroom 11:14:26 "Sif Muna thinks that a LOREKEEPER doesn't need skill, just knowledge of spells." 11:14:33 well that about describes the sif experience 11:15:37 -!- schistosoma is now known as schisto 11:16:04 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:20:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:14 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 11:22:20 -!- hommebarbu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:22:53 A lot of the links between banner and god are tenuous, but they're passable I guess 11:23:13 The important thing is that the tasks are interesting. 11:23:18 <|amethyst> yes 11:23:25 <|amethyst> task first, then assign it wherever it kind of fits 11:23:36 <|amethyst> not: pick a god, and look for a task for that god 11:24:06 <|amethyst> we could rename them for classes or races if we wanted 11:24:08 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:24:10 <|amethyst> or whatever 11:24:13 <|amethyst> branches 11:25:31 -!- Stoats has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:28:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:28:50 they were branches at one point, of course 11:29:22 who wrote it though 11:31:07 Bloaxor: what does it matter? 11:31:16 because it's good 11:33:15 I still don't know :) This time it probably was not elliptic, though some of the descriptions are problably from last years (this should be easy to check). 11:36:39 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:21 I wouldn't be surprised if it was written by two different people 11:37:30 certainly the cacodemon/formicid bit was added later 11:37:39 (the Speed Demon description, sorry) 11:37:54 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:59 it's really funny 11:38:27 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:22 I am happy that the ruleset has improved so much since the beginning. 11:42:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:43 Would anyone object to a guaranteed J altar on Slime:1 or 2? 11:44:19 what would the purpose be? 11:44:31 players can reliably pick up Jiyva before Slime:6 11:45:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:58 dpeg: why is that good? 11:46:20 converting to jiyva on slime:6 is more interesting and more flavorful, IMO 11:46:29 I object to guaranteed J in Temple or at slime entrance, but I'd be fine with one before Slime end. 11:46:33 elliptic: ok 11:46:42 yeah, i agree with elliptic 11:46:46 there's basically no reason to have an altar to jiyva in slime:6 at all if there is going to be a guaranteed altar earlier 11:47:23 I wonder how many players have pulled that off. Kudos to every one of them! 11:47:41 !lm * god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 11:47:42 327. [2014-09-09 11:31:08] irum the Ninja (L17 SpEn of Jiyva) became a worshipper of Jiyva on turn 24384. (Slime:6) 11:47:45 !lm * god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 x=cdist(name) 11:47:46 327 milestones for * (god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6): cdist(name)=197 11:47:54 !lm * god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 s=xl 11:47:54 327 milestones for * (god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6): 103x 27, 29x 23, 27x 21, 22x 24, 19x 25, 19x 26, 17x 22, 17x 18, 16x 20, 13x 15, 11x 16, 9x 19, 8x 17, 6x 14, 6x 12, 5x 13 11:47:55 wow, so many 11:48:05 I see, the demand is definitely there. 11:48:10 !lm * god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 xl<20 x=cdist(name) 11:48:10 75 milestones for * (god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 xl<20): cdist(name)=53 11:48:25 !lm * god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 xl=12 s=name 11:48:25 6 milestones for * (god.worship=jiyva place=slime:6 xl=12): cptwinky, jeanjacques, chris, Kyrris, JulesVerne, hyperbolic 11:48:34 dpeg: if you have haste, getting to slime:6 is probably harder than getting to the altar 11:49:13 and for Slime:$, potions will do, I guess 11:49:32 slimebucks 11:50:49 iirc the majority of the banner descriptions for older banners were written by Wensley, btw, but I've also written some and various other people here have helped too 11:51:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52:20 i'm not sure if jiyva is strong enough for being mostly available in slime:6 11:52:27 but alright 11:53:01 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:59 Bloaxor: you can use some lousy standard god until you finally make the liberating step of switching to the true, slimy one after Lair 11:54:53 Bloax is a big fan of lousy gods, too! 11:55:29 If you aren't full of slime, you won't be a friend of mine! 11:56:03 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:45 I was playing a OpSu recently, intended to go J (these gave maximal tourney points)...and I hit the jackpot with the slimy Temple... only to throw it all away in stupidity. :( 11:57:05 !hs . opsu t 11:57:05 8. wheals the Summoner (L11 OpSu of Sif Muna), engulfed by an ice statue's freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_small_demon) on 2014-09-07 19:26:18, with 10181 points after 14497 turns and 0:38:52. 11:57:38 op is conducive to stupidity, i guess? :P 11:58:24 -!- Pluie|3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58:25 wheals: irl, octopodi are considered to be the most intelligent invertebrae! 11:58:37 (or whatever the proper plural is) 11:58:40 fr buff octopodes 11:58:49 not as cute as cuttlefish, though 11:59:56 http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q156/Dark_Princess_Kaori/Cuttlefish.jpg 12:00:55 <3 12:01:22 d'aww 12:01:40 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:03:11 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15.0-25-gd84c1e8 12:07:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-347-ge97bf62 (34) 12:08:12 doy: did you implement the summon caps back then, or did we just discuss them? In any case, I think they rock :) 12:14:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:15:38 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:16 haha, i put a spire between me and gw's ghost and it starts to flee 12:20:23 Grunt: even in death it keeps its tactics 12:20:57 Apparently the rubble from a stone of tremors can miss. Maybe that item would be better regarded if it couldn't? 12:24:22 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:08 dpeg: the summons cap was one of mumra's last big changes 12:29:18 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:21 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:31:59 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:34:13 All hail the Mumra! 12:34:17 thx, gammafunk 12:34:38 (We did discuss about summon nerfs for a very long time, though. Great to see something happened in the end.) 12:36:03 yeah, I think summons were greatly improved after 78291 and DracoOmega did the spell rework 12:38:41 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 12:42:00 Su is last background in the tourney rooster, with CK :( 12:42:30 !lg Bloax t VSCK 12:42:31 11. Bloax the Cutter (L4 VSCK of Xom), slain by Eustachio (a +0 cutlass) on D:4 on 2014-09-09 16:17:24, with 67 points after 706 turns and 0:07:21. 12:42:33 wow 12:44:05 nope, summon caps weren't me 12:46:48 !lg * t --Su s=name 12:46:49 1570 games for * (t --Su): 313x gammafunk, 147x Esse, 73x silentsnack, 34x DualCategory, 31x agentgt, 27x SirDidymus, 24x talkingcatjazzcat, 24x Dharmy, 22x TheSomberlain, 22x TZer0, 22x magicpoints, 21x perunasaurus, 18x tlatlagkaus, 17x ahorribleplayer, 17x nabalzbhf, 16x SkaryMonk, 15x Delvonshi, 15x sstrickl, 15x yobbo, 15x Vactor, 15x LemonChief, 14x Zubeida, 14x Gravenous, 12x InternetKraken... 12:46:57 dpeg: I'm doing what I can :) 12:47:21 !won gammafunk t 12:47:21 gammafunk (t) has not won in 328 games. 12:47:24 try harder! 12:47:32 ug, our team captain is SO MEAN 12:47:44 !lg * won min=turns 7 12:47:44 7/21354. syban the Farming Annihilator (L27 MuWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2009-11-15 08:13:01, with 1474179 points after 2206900 turns and 2d+8:11:26. 12:47:53 lel 12:48:00 heh 12:48:02 wow 12:48:07 !lg * won min=turns 1 12:48:08 1/21354. Stabwound the Farming Skullcrusher (L27 MuSu of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 111 runes on 2008-03-09 22:42:21, with 9425283 points after 92568259 turns and 5d+8:15:16. 12:48:17 wow wow wow 12:48:36 outside, the world ends....probably because some summoner took too long 12:48:50 !lg * won min=turns -7 12:48:51 21348/21354. Bloax the Brawler (L24 VSTm of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-07 00:09:20, with 4946408 points after 13320 turns and 1:50:58. 12:48:52 !!! 12:49:02 pfff, 3 runes 12:49:05 !hs * -2 12:49:07 3559703/3559704. PurpleRed the Imperceptible (L26 VSBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-07-21 09:27:21, with 65223715 points after 21968 turns and 11:07:28. 12:49:09 get good 12:50:33 well you haven't even won in the tournament yet 12:50:37 so i guess i have :^) 12:50:45 I don't care about the tournament 12:50:52 I care about winning the best summoner, and that's it 12:51:03 yeah, he died in pan with 6 runes already 12:51:06 well the best HE currently, for near term 12:51:07 what kind of loser does that 12:51:13 wheals: I quit with more runes 12:51:26 !lg * pan urune=6 s=name 12:51:27 209 games for * (pan urune=6): 4x 4tharraofdagon, 3x Sanddman, 3x soul, 2x Snack, 2x Sonny, 2x Ragdoll, 2x Implojin, 2x hubris, 2x moose, 2x Plasmo, 2x gowby, 2x Vidiiot, 2x TheNoid, 2x Sar, 2x theclanless, 2x cptwinky, 2x nht, 2x Bruce, 2x HaraKiri, 2x Tolias, 2x LogicNinja, 2x keymashgrqeeg, timbw, drywall, Roshnak, crate, meownced, aleksiL, elbog, yaxamie, TacoSundae, doctordoom, hyperbolic, du... 12:51:37 !lg . t max=urune !won 12:51:37 328. gammafunk the Convoker (L18 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by a Balrug (fireball) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-01 20:51:58, with 328552 points after 24155 turns and 6:55:14. 12:51:50 !lg * pan urune=6 t s=nam 12:51:50 Unknown field: nam 12:51:51 !lg * pan urune=6 t s=name 12:51:51 6 games for * (pan urune=6 t): Acetwo5, Hurkyl, wheals, ELD, stickyfingers, gammafunk 12:51:52 oh actually 12:51:58 !lg . recent max=urune !won 12:51:59 1081. gammafunk the Demonologist (L22 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Vaults:2 (minmay_crypt_entry_simple_sparse) on 2014-08-26 10:34:32, with 661808 points after 36572 turns and 10:28:47. 12:52:06 ah right, that actually was before t 12:52:36 that would have been a 44k 12:53:29 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:29 -!- xFleury has quit [Client Quit] 12:54:05 melee is just a lot easier in general, and really good players like PurpleRed and 4th have already figured out how to speedrun them in general 12:54:17 either as Makky or Chei 12:56:06 imo get the HE-- highscore with the current nchoice 12:56:14 wheals: it is a cute choice 12:56:32 -!- Isabel has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:46 but so far for recent crawl/summons, I have the best results, they're just using a bad species summons, so they're not that great overall 12:56:52 *species for summons 12:57:08 what are good species for summoners, in your opinion? 12:57:32 wheals: well do you mean turncount speedruns, or just in general? 12:57:42 because there are very different answers I'd suspect 12:57:54 a summoner trying to just win won't go pure summons 12:57:55 dos sound likely 12:57:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:58:36 you just need a not terrible apt, and not have awful int and spellcasting 12:58:40 +0 is enough though 12:58:43 so VS I guess? 12:58:55 truth be told 4th was doing some questionable things on melee speedruns 12:59:18 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:59:23 one thing he was exceptionally good at was keeping at hitting his head against the brick wall 12:59:24 for speedruns you need necromute, and I think it's pretty clearly just DE, though Te wouldn't be bad 13:00:04 are you a bad enough dude to beat sapher's de summoning high score 13:00:23 !hs Sapher DE-- 13:00:24 103. Sapher the Demonologist (L25 DEWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-23 13:43:10, with 57282634 points after 25058 turns and 22:29:01. 13:00:38 yeah, I've gotten to swamp:5 in 5k, and think I could get the rune in 4.5k, so from there I think his DeWz would be beatable 13:00:44 >22 hours 29 minutes 13:00:48 jesus christ make the pain stop 13:01:00 hypersnailplayers 13:01:03 sapher is just a very cautious player 13:01:11 !lg Bloax pan 13:01:12 4. Bloax the Brawler (L24 VSMo of Cheibriados), mangled by Cerebov (the +6 Sword of Cerebov {flame}) in Pandemonium (cerebov_grunt) on 2014-08-14 01:27:29, with 583727 points after 17421 turns and 2:46:25. 13:01:15 !lg Bloax pan -2 13:01:15 3/4. Bloax the Imperceptible (L24 VSGl of Cheibriados), slain by a tentacled monstrosity (summoned by Mnoleg) in Pandemonium (mnoleg_st) on 2014-08-06 08:25:56, with 548156 points after 18575 turns and 2:33:50. 13:01:16 he's always checking his inventory, etc 13:01:25 gotta go fast 13:01:26 melee goes faster real time 13:01:31 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:32 since you are bumping things a lot 13:01:35 quite 13:01:42 !hs sapher urune=3 x=dur 13:01:43 6. [dur=6:36:55] Sapher the Faith Healer (L18 DDHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-11-22 12:55:07, with 5534562 points after 11168 turns and 6:36:55. 13:01:56 !hs * urune=3 x=dur 13:01:57 16481. [dur=1:48:56] jeanjacques the Faith Healer (L18 DDHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-07 22:27:03, with 6429763 points after 9468 turns and 1:48:56. 13:01:59 heh 13:02:05 jeanjacques is like elliptic 13:02:16 console goes much faster than webtiles 13:02:22 yeah there is that as well 13:02:25 and as we all know 13:02:28 consolation 13:02:29 i am a diehard webtiles player 13:02:30 That DEWz averages out to 3.23 seconds per turn 13:02:51 !hs * Op-- x=dur 13:02:52 141357. [dur=10:25:53] magicpoints the Petrodigitator (L27 OpAs of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-08-28 07:02:22, with 37179957 points after 39341 turns and 10:25:53. 13:03:17 v. gud 13:03:21 our magicpoints doesn't want to fall into lava any more, and is somewhat cautious 13:03:25 I'm a pretty slow realtime player 13:03:37 I was a cautious and slow player. 13:03:53 but then i somehow set a webtiles realtime record 13:04:03 and it has only gone downhill since then 13:04:14 (the VSTm that was even faster than my old record there?) 13:04:18 (that was a casually paced game) 13:05:15 !lm @devteam rune noun!=slimy noun!=abyssal s=name,dur o=-dur 13:05:15 Bad filter condition: 'dur' (extra: ) 13:05:19 !hs Tolias t 13:05:20 70. Tolias the Executioner (L27 MiFi of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-08-30 02:20:35, with 15550351 points after 100778 turns and 6:08:03. 13:05:26 !lm @devteam rune noun!=slimy noun!=abyssal s=dur,name o=-dur 13:05:29 10394 milestones for @devteam (rune noun!=slimy noun!=abyssal): 0:16:19 (78291), 0:16:23 (78291), 0:19:21 (78291), 0:20:31 (78291), 0:21:34 (78291), 0:22:07 (78291), 0:24:20 (78291), 0:26:39 (78291), 0:27:17 (78291), 0:27:49 (78291), 0:28:13 (78291), 0:30:16 (78291), 0:31:04 (78291), 0:32:09 (78291), 0:32:11 (78291), 0:32:47 (78291), 0:34:04 (78291), 0:34:39 (78291), 0:35:18 (elliptic), 0:36:55 (e... 13:05:34 tolias pls 2 go fast 13:05:59 Well for one when you spend less turns you generally spend less realtime overall 13:06:12 !lm Bloax rune s=dur o=-dur 13:06:13 233 milestones for Bloax (rune): 0:44:40, 0:46:09, 0:49:34, 0:52:06, 0:52:08, 0:52:29, 0:53:26, 0:54:53, 0:55:39, 0:56:02, 0:57:54, 0:58:15, 0:58:40, 1:07:00, 1:07:04, 1:08:22, 1:12:16, 1:14:11, 1:15:18, 1:15:29, 1:15:54, 1:15:55, 1:16:55, 1:16:58, 1:17:44, 1:19:25, 1:21:28, 1:23:34, 2x 1:23:58, 1:24:32, 1:25:25, 1:26:39, 1:28:06, 1:32:17, 1:32:44, 1:34:23, 1:35:47, 1:36:51, 1:37:26, 1:37:44, 1:38... 13:06:30 depends on how much you think about those turns 13:07:42 !lg bloax urune=3 min=dur x=dur 13:07:43 8. [dur=1:50:58] Bloax the Brawler (L24 VSTm of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-07 00:09:20, with 4946408 points after 13320 turns and 1:50:58. 13:07:58 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:59 wanna get a shocking revelation about this VSTm too 13:08:04 i never once pressed o 13:08:39 did you only pick up 14 items ever? 13:08:43 that's still slower than jeanjaques even if you factor in webtiles, although there's possibly network latency as well 13:08:59 why would you press o in a speedrun 13:09:02 bad idea imo 13:09:08 in a turncount speedrun, yeah 13:09:26 i was really surprised at how little time it took though 13:09:40 hrm, probably also realtime, since turns fighting enemies = realtime 13:09:44 i wasn't even going to mess with this tournament 13:10:00 cheibladehands is kinda insane in terms of turncount efficiency 13:10:21 well regardless of that, fewer turns spent fighting enemies the better 13:10:23 2-3 shotting oofs despite being severely underlevelled like it ain't no thang 13:11:13 the only reason i don't do more Tms is due to how aggravating they are to get off the ground 13:12:15 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:27 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:37 Bloaxor: at least it doesn't have the former weirdness of fulsome/evap 13:15:02 I never really got to mess around with the two much. 13:16:06 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15.0-25-gd84c1e8 13:16:36 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:38 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:08 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18:59 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:41 -!- Zermako has quit [] 13:23:45 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 13:24:17 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:24:21 -!- zermako2 is now known as Zermako 13:25:12 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 13:26:41 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:28 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:58 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:35:29 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:56 -!- markgo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:40:42 Bloaxor: S - the +10 scimitar "Bluxox" {elec, rF+ Stlth+} any relation? 13:41:09 sounds like a distant relative of Bluox 13:45:46 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:05 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:48 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:16 -!- Nabalzbhf2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:39 -!- Nabalzbhf2 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:07 darkness is marked as useless for 0* TSO worshippers -- is this right? 13:57:44 seems like that'd be a pretty marginal case 13:57:56 secret tech get tso penance to cast darkness 14:02:05 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 14:02:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:37 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzglotza 14:03:24 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:04:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:51 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 14:08:25 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:43 <|amethyst> wheals: not sure how intentional it is, but it is kind of helpful that it indicates it will become useless even if it's temporarily useful because you don't have enough piety 14:09:10 <|amethyst> (or because you're under penance) 14:09:27 true, but invis isn't so treated 14:09:41 and if you're under penance, it isn't marked as useless! 14:10:05 <|amethyst> oh, hm 14:10:06 Now there's a fair inconsistency 14:10:10 <|amethyst> sounds like a bug then :) 14:10:25 <|amethyst> or a couple of bugs 14:10:26 !source spell_is_useless 14:10:27 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l1066 14:10:34 !source cast_darkness 14:10:35 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-other.cc;hb=HEAD#l479 14:15:08 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:16:47 oh 14:16:56 I rewrote the entirety of spell_is_useless in formreform 14:17:18 of course, changes can be ported over 14:18:17 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:22:20 -!- legoman727 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:38 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:28:53 -!- TendaAway is now known as Tenda 14:28:54 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31:09 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 14:33:08 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:35 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:25 !tell greensnark Sequell incorrectly capitalizes the names of demons that used to be capitalised but aren't anymore (balrugs, green deaths, etc.) 14:37:26 wheals: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:38:35 !tell greensnark and in a simple !lg query, angels/daevas show up right but the killer is "an Angel" 14:38:35 wheals: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:39:53 !tell greensnark actually, daevas have the same problem as green deaths, angels are the only ones that are split like that 14:39:53 wheals: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:40:12 -!- pythonsnake1 is now known as pythonsnake 14:40:14 wheals: he's often in ##crawl-sequell fwiw 14:40:32 doh, forgot about there 14:43:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:45 -!- name1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:05 -!- name1 is now known as Basil 14:44:15 Basil: good name 14:44:36 uh 14:44:41 if an enslaved ally blocks your attack it won't turn hostile 14:44:45 that's kind of weird 14:45:21 wow... 14:51:29 -!- somebody1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:52:25 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:29 -!- stanzglotza has quit [Quit: bbl] 14:54:33 also see not getting penance under TSO if you use poison branded attack on an enemy, it hits, and they don't get poison 14:55:15 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:30 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:52 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:00:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:57 -!- orthose has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:50 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:21:19 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:22:01 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:11 gammafunk: Isn't that basically the same as using rod of clouds and not rolling poison/negative energy? 15:23:18 <|amethyst> Lasty_: it's more like using rod of clouds in Crypt and getting negative energy 15:23:21 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24:07 Hmm, perhaps so. I assume TSO does hate that . . . does it hate using rod of clouds in the Crypt and getting poison? 15:24:24 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:35 <|amethyst> ah, you're right 15:25:42 <|amethyst> I mean 15:25:55 <|amethyst> clouds only cause problems if they hurt someone 15:27:30 Vidiiot: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1410293279641.png 15:27:30 Vidiiot: Look what happened 15:27:30 Vidiiot: And now it's not even in my game anymore 15:27:31 whoah 15:29:01 <|amethyst> %bug 8502 15:29:01 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 15:29:10 <|amethyst> %bug 4606 15:29:10 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4606 15:30:08