00:00:10 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:00:37 <|amethyst> btw, I know we don't like to make tab too smart, but would it make sense to have it be less suboptimal with polearms against (say) centaurs? 00:00:42 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:02 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 00:01:06 imo teaching players not to tab too much is a good thing :) 00:01:16 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.0-18-g9076a4f 00:02:10 The existence of tab is just indicative of design flaws in crawl. 00:03:04 Nonsense. Crawl is flawless and always will be no matter how much it changes. 00:03:22 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-330-gcc2d852 (34) 00:04:35 <|amethyst> Likewise o, but I think those design flaws were baked-in before we started 00:04:36 best. timing. ever 00:04:45 ??cleansing flame 00:04:45 cleansing flame[1/3]: Piety cost 2-3; fires a radius-2 ball of holy energy which does significant damage to undead and demons but does not harm the player or friendly monsters. As of 0.5, it is centered on the player. 00:04:57 o is easier than tab: It indicates that our levels are too large 00:05:35 <|amethyst> layers of autopickup options indicate we have too much junk on the floor 00:06:27 <|amethyst> (tiles indicates that we mollycoddle our half-illiterate playerbase) 00:06:41 <|amethyst> s/tiles/the existence of &/ 00:06:41 ??tiles 00:06:41 tiles[1/14]: Blasphemy! Tiles do not exist! 00:06:42 |amethyst: it isn't necessarily suboptimal to stay a square away from the centaur, though 00:06:52 ??tiles[$ 00:06:52 tiles[14/14]: it had no ? next to it 00:06:54 |amethyst: I think you said something insulting, but I need to read a dictionary before I can sure know right 00:06:56 !learn add tiles <|amethyst> the existence of tiles indicates that we mollycoddle our half-illiterate playerbase 00:06:56 tiles[15/15]: <|amethyst> the existence of tiles indicates that we mollycoddle our half-illiterate playerbase 00:07:06 mmmmm 00:07:17 it isn't necessarily optimal either, but I would rather have the button that is intended to fight things fight things when possible 00:07:32 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm 00:07:37 ??tab[move 00:07:37 tab[3/5]: Hold shift when tabbing to tab without movement allowed. 00:07:43 ?/move away 00:07:44 Matching entries (5): bat[1] | mesmerise[1] | obsidian_axe[2] | patashu_advice[1] | stairs[3] 00:07:51 hmm 00:08:03 <|amethyst> elliptic: I switched to _nomove not long ago and sort of think it should be the default, except stabbers 00:08:34 <|amethyst> s/except stabbers/except that stabbers exist/ 00:08:41 Anywau tab isn't a bad thing I think unless you figure that "bumping into a dude" shouldn't frequently be a good thing 00:08:58 e.g. in Sil I've moved out of a hallway and promptly died because tab doesn't exist 00:09:06 <|amethyst> we could just triple all the damage numbers (and not HP or defense) 00:09:07 |amethyst: doesn't _nomove mean that you have to manually wait for enemies to approach or manually move towards them? 00:09:09 <|amethyst> less tab 00:09:24 |amethyst: I've never actually used it seriously myself 00:09:26 <|amethyst> elliptic: yes 00:09:54 |amethyst: This room seems to be filled with a deadly and chilling silence. All sounds are muffled. 00:09:57 <|amethyst> elliptic: I have been told that walking towards an awake enemy is usually a bad idea 00:10:01 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.] 00:10:10 <|amethyst> elliptic: which is why I decided to try it out 00:10:30 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:10:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10:47 <|amethyst> (somehow it did not increase my winrate to 100%) 00:10:58 this is true (unless some enemy in sight has a ranged attack, which isn't rare at all) 00:11:04 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15.0-18-g9076a4f (34) 00:11:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:11:35 all enemies are yaks 00:11:36 crawl facs 00:11:38 *facts 00:11:44 for some approximation of "all" 00:12:22 <|amethyst> The orb of gnu emits a lurid yakkish light. 00:12:33 anyway I have no objection to trying to popularize _nomove... I sort of doubt most players will take to it, but it certainly does have advantages 00:12:46 neat. got the bot running 00:12:58 kinda pointless since it's just doing the same thing gw is doing 00:13:18 |amethyst: tab solves the 'I know what the optimal action is, but executing it is tedious' problem 00:13:22 "solves" 00:13:39 uh oh, loop http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-jw 00:13:39 mostly prevents fatfingering 00:13:41 the argument is that if the optimal action is so often obvious...... 00:14:23 <|amethyst> bh: it was a joke, but tripling damage numbers *would* help that 00:14:36 <|amethyst> bh: because there would be fewer attacks before the thing dies 00:14:40 LCS for 400 00:14:49 |amethyst: that's what brogue did 00:14:58 brogue wands will blow your face off 00:15:07 wands or staves 00:15:17 <|amethyst> it would also make the game more swingy 00:15:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-330-gcc2d852 (34) 00:17:15 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:20:32 hm 00:20:41 johnstein: press esc or space 00:21:09 <|amethyst> bh: I think the "move to attack" mechanic, more than tedium, is the reason for tab to exist 00:21:53 johnstein: have it play something not DrGl for fun 00:21:55 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:05 |amethyst: here's a nutty idea: when a player dies, we should rewind time one turn and attempt a whole array of actions 00:22:06 grunt: I moved him around a bit and eventually he got in the oklob's range 00:22:19 Grunt: esc and space don't seem to do anything 00:22:21 that way we could classify the sort of one-turn tactical errors that killed players 00:22:45 Grunt: and yea, was going to set it to MiBe for a bit ;p when I figure out how to stop it 00:22:49 <|amethyst> you would have to simulate more than one turn I think 00:23:04 sounds awful to implement 00:23:05 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:23:13 <|amethyst> otherwise you'll find actions that survive one more turn but put you in an even worse position 00:23:26 hard to be worse off than dead 00:23:29 <|amethyst> well 00:23:36 "all the dead know is that it is better to be alive" 00:23:48 PleasingFungus: 50% chance to live vs. live 1 turn and 10% chance to live 00:23:52 <|amethyst> if you're trapped in a corridor between two deadly monsters and are adjacent to one 00:23:54 hypothetically 00:23:56 <|amethyst> what Basil said 00:24:22 clearly you'd have to re-run their last action to see what the odds of death were 00:24:24 "What would qw do?" 00:24:44 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24:44 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 00:24:57 reminds me of this article: http://www.uschess.org/content/view/12677/763 00:25:29 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:31 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:27 one idea that I had earlier was to bring back lethal infusion in the en book, instead of the ne book 00:29:30 (replacing sure blade, probably) 00:29:41 since draining has a neat interaction with hexes 00:29:49 <|amethyst> but the schools? 00:29:58 hexes/necromancy 00:29:59 obv 00:30:12 <|amethyst> what about ex. wounds and w. weapon? 00:30:29 eh. 00:30:40 consistency is the gnoll of tiny minds. 00:30:48 ...or something along those lines. 00:31:10 <|amethyst> my mind has the consistency of tiny gnolls 00:31:26 ew 00:31:35 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:31:38 chaos brand spell 00:31:57 <|amethyst> antimagic brand spell 00:32:04 <|amethyst> level: all your MP 00:32:06 mmm 00:32:39 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-330-gcc2d852 00:32:42 hm 00:33:00 -!- Modest_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33:21 ??corpse rot 00:33:21 corpse rot[1/2]: Level 2 necromancy in {book of Death}. Produces a single square of miasma over any nearby corpses (range is something like 6 away from you), turning the corpses into skeletons. If there are multiple corpses on a square, only one of the corpses will be affected. The miasma lasts approximately 12 turns. See {corpse slap}. 00:33:37 "something like 6 away from you" 00:33:41 squarelos_reasons 00:34:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:41:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:45:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:10 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:50:59 hm 00:51:14 is corpse rot more interesting for having limited range? 00:52:45 <|amethyst> if so, make it more interesting by making it a smite-targeted burst 00:52:56 huh 00:53:00 that sounds Quite Powerful 00:53:08 <|amethyst> ? 00:53:15 bursty miasma? 00:53:20 <|amethyst> I mean 00:53:33 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:53:35 <|amethyst> it affects all corpses within N radius of your target 00:53:40 oh. 00:53:52 <|amethyst> so you don't have a limited-range untargetted spell 00:54:06 <|amethyst> because that's a UI problem (even if there is a flash) 00:54:14 I don't think there's a flash. 00:55:37 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:57:16 <|amethyst> hm, with cloud cone and dazzling spray 00:57:34 <|amethyst> they have these crashes at certain positions on the map because of rounding 00:57:53 <|amethyst> I changed the rounding at one point, but that just made the crashes happen at different positions on the map 00:58:19 <|amethyst> it happens with those two in particular because they set the angle of the beam 00:58:44 <|amethyst> I think maybe if we made them snap each secondary beam endpoint to the grid, that wouldn't happen 00:59:08 <|amethyst> we could also restore chaos bouncing then with the same fix, though maybe we shouldn't 00:59:31 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~diamond 00:59:32 7. [2014-09-05 06:25:57] nabalzbhf the Fetichist (L14 KoWn of Nemelex Xobeh) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 19521. (Lair:7) 00:59:45 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~diamond -log 00:59:46 7. nabalzbhf, XL14 KoWn, T:19521 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/nabalzbhf/crash-nabalzbhf-20140905-062557.txt 01:00:08 Huh, I was wondering what that was. 01:01:36 <|amethyst> I looked over the ray code at one point and it at least makes some kind of sense to me now, but I'm not competent to figure out what kind of accumulated error to expect 01:01:53 <|amethyst> I only passed my numerical analysis prelim on the second attempt 01:01:55 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:51 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~valid 01:02:52 673. [2014-09-03 13:24:13] FishServ the Faith Healer (L15 GrHe of Elyvilon) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1365: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster type 1000 (1000) (Swamp:5) 01:02:56 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~ray 01:02:56 75. [2014-09-05 06:25:57] nabalzbhf the Fetichist (L14 KoWn of Nemelex Xobeh) ASSERT(in non diamond int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed on turn 19521. (Lair:7) 01:02:59 <|amethyst> hm 01:03:15 <|amethyst> I saw another crash with a different message recently 01:03:49 <|amethyst> !lm * crash -10 -log 01:03:49 8171. xnavy, XL25 TrMo, T:72694 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/xnavy/crash-xnavy-20140901-164539.txt 01:04:04 <|amethyst> oh, hm 01:04:09 <|amethyst> that's different 01:04:29 <|amethyst> that was just a javelin (of penetration) hitting a wall 01:04:41 <|amethyst> regress() was unhappy 01:04:54 <|amethyst> oh 01:05:04 <|amethyst> portal projectile 01:06:47 oh 01:06:54 I think we might need to do something about penetration brand 01:07:03 maybe make it always mulch, like curare 01:07:07 it is So Strong 01:07:24 <|amethyst> huh, does curare always mulch? 01:07:30 oh right no it doesn't 01:07:32 hm 01:07:35 like... dispersal...? 01:07:45 or explosion 01:07:50 or chaos 01:07:56 I never understood why the latter was always mulch 01:08:06 <|amethyst> the explosion of exploding explosion fragments expl^H^H^Hngulfs you! 01:08:07 I mean I understand why mechanically, but balance-wise it makes it feel even weaker 01:08:21 ^H? 01:08:30 <|amethyst> backspace 01:08:34 oh 01:09:22 ??curare 01:09:22 curare[1/2]: A type of poison that will slow you, poison you, and do large impact damage (called asphyxiation). To avoid it you can use stealth and eXamine to avoid being in any blowgun wielding creature's line of fire for too long. Poison resistance prevents the poisoning and asphyxiation, as well as the slowing (being undead will too). 01:09:29 ??mulch 01:09:29 mulching[1/3]: The chance of breakage is: 1/6 for curare and darts; 1/8 for sling bullets, stones, arrows, and bolts; 1/12 for non-curare needles; 1/20 for javelins; 1/30 for tomahawks (1/20 in 0.15); and 1/50 for large rocks (1/30 in 0.15). Throwing nets have a chance to be destroyed when struggled against. Thrown non-throwing weapons do not break. 01:09:34 Oh huh 01:09:36 that is interesting 01:09:42 <|amethyst> the weird thing about curare is how it doesn't really depend on throwing skill 01:10:02 well, neither does poison 01:10:06 really 01:10:28 <|amethyst> I think it makes sense with poison 01:10:39 <|amethyst> or at least 01:10:47 Basil: fun fact: flame & frost projectiles mulch twice as often as vanilla brands 01:10:52 <|amethyst> it can't be *too* bad without throwing skill 01:10:58 <|amethyst> since it's the default ammo 01:10:59 (penetration, not so) 01:11:05 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:11:34 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:35 PleasingFungus: I knew that 01:11:44 but I never noticed that curare mulch rate is identical to darts 01:12:12 hmm 01:12:17 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:31 darts? 01:12:33 |amethyst: well, curare is sort of turbopoison 01:12:33 what are those? 01:12:38 dunno 01:13:01 !lg * title~~darts 01:13:03 1. Stabwound the Universal Darts Champion (L27 HaAs of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2007-12-06 18:22:46, with 1131024 points after 151907 turns and 15:46:03. 01:13:14 the eternal champion 01:13:20 fr: bring back darts skill 01:13:32 <|amethyst> you brought back hand crossbows 01:13:50 not for darts! 01:14:05 <|amethyst> details! 01:14:10 feh 01:14:25 <|amethyst> Universal Bolts Champion 01:14:35 not sure it's quite the same ring 01:15:19 Universal Champion 01:15:51 <|amethyst> "Universal Champion" should be the atheist 27 invo title 01:15:58 heh 01:21:29 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:24 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:32 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:25:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:29:35 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:42 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35:40 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:37:20 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:43:12 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:47:12 -!- worak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:53:50 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:54:18 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140902030202]] 02:08:21 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:22 -!- deeehm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:11:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:12:08 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:44 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:21 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15.0-18-g9076a4f 02:18:37 footv playing on secondary channels broke 02:18:39 it's not responding to m,e 02:20:10 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:20:26 it works now 02:20:32 footv was just trippin 02:21:57 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:25:36 03gammafunk02 07* 0.16-a0-331-g39fd2ee: Add octopode crushers to Zig Shoals enemy sets 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39fd2ee547ba 02:26:54 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-330-gcc2d852 (34) 02:30:22 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:32:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:44:40 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:48:15 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:56:29 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:41 My actions log thing is at the top of the screen 02:56:58 how do I make it go back down in the init config file 03:02:27 ??australia 03:02:27 australia[1/1]: messages_at_top = true 03:02:40 set that to false 03:03:44 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 03:03:45 thanks 03:03:55 no problem 03:04:16 Now there's a green clown upside down 03:04:29 <|amethyst> that's Mnoleg 03:04:33 <|amethyst> he's supposed to be that way 03:04:44 why is that a thing anyway 03:04:45 australian 03:05:02 simmarine: because we got a radical startup image to go with it 03:05:17 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:21 yeah 03:05:38 Bacon made it. He was the one who introduced me to crawl lol 03:05:40 -!- wya has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:05:59 Basil: i was trying to remember what you were talking about fora minute 03:06:25 hmm, my messages are still at the top 03:06:34 maybe it has to do with me trying to use ScarletJ's rc file 03:06:40 uhh 03:06:43 that might do things yes 03:06:45 that might do it 03:07:41 <|amethyst> btw, why is cowfuture's felid vs. starcursed mass painting not one of our startup screens? 03:08:00 <|amethyst> too big I guess 03:08:31 ooh, can I see it? 03:08:46 <|amethyst> Last one at http://arts.crawl.develz.org/ 03:09:03 <|amethyst> everything else on the page is bacon's :) 03:09:17 damn 03:09:20 that's pretty good 03:10:10 ??art 03:10:10 I don't have a page labeled art in my learndb. Did you mean: apt, ar, aut, bart, dart, rat. 03:10:23 that's pretty cool 03:12:06 -!- Sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:20:17 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:24:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26:06 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:26:59 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:47 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:57 -!- kryft_ is now known as kryft 03:33:02 <|amethyst> Man, the spambots know I'm not as young as I used to be 03:33:18 <|amethyst> Subject: Do You POOP Enough? 03:34:01 <|amethyst> I'm getting targetted fibre ads 03:41:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52:38 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:15 -!- Nstar|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:54:48 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:00 -!- mumra_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:13 <|amethyst> ??lhc 03:55:13 I don't have a page labeled lhc in my learndb. 03:55:21 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:08 <|amethyst> not sure if that is a misspelling or if calling it Lehudib's Hadron Collider is a thing now? 03:56:49 <|amethyst> same person used it twice, in two different posts 03:57:04 <|amethyst> s/posts/comments/ 03:57:14 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:08 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:10 -!- Lorkhan has quit [Client Quit] 04:08:27 -!- vissborg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12:32 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:26 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:25 -!- Pratfall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:30:12 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:37 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:35:34 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 04:39:02 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:39 |amethyst, I' 04:40:46 m pretty sure the duvessa + dowan one isn't in crawl yet either 04:41:17 I'd love to see them both get added, though (shrunk down I guess) 04:41:57 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:43:57 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:45:19 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:49:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:47 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:00:17 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:07:07 -!- croikle has quit [Quit: croikle] 05:09:06 -!- Atomikkrab has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:09:23 Patashu: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/DowanDuvessa.png 05:09:42 oh it is in cool 05:09:48 maybe it was added after I stopped playing 05:09:58 it's not in 05:10:33 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 05:11:21 ooh 05:11:27 it needs to be fixed then 05:11:46 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:56 technically it would conflict with whatever shit i've done for them if it ever gets in 05:11:59 but whatever 05:22:51 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:25:35 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/DowanDuvessa.png title screens are for wusses 05:25:35 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 05:27:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:37:33 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:42:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:49 Unknown Beogh problem 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8929 by Yermak 05:55:53 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzteflon 06:11:25 -!- Annabella has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:30 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:19:38 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:49 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:24:02 stickyfingers (L19 HOAK) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1978 failed. (Elf:1) 06:24:18 <|amethyst> !crashlog 06:24:18 8181. stickyfingers, XL19 HOAK, T:41565 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.15/stickyfingers/crash-stickyfingers-20140906-112401.txt 06:24:48 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:24:50 <|amethyst> more spectral weapon :( 06:28:21 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:56 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:48 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:32:44 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:07 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:39:28 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:44:20 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0/20140825202822]] 06:50:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:28 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:50 -!- stanzteflon is now known as stanzill 07:04:50 Misleading crosstraining messages 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8930 by FishServ 07:08:53 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:10 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:35:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:35:30 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:54:04 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:16 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:59:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 08:01:41 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:21 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:44 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:57 -!- tollyphone has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:32 -!- worak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:12:38 Hello, I have been playing crawl for some time and I'm also involved in open source; I am currently reading up on the wiki about development plans and such. Are you guys planning in the future to do a 3d version of the game? 08:13:39 I guess what I'm asking is could I help with that? ^^ 08:14:42 I think the closest thing I could see crawl getting involved in with 3D would be noteye integration, if ever 08:17:11 hmm, pretty cool 08:17:11 yeah, adding an isomorphic view of some sort might be a reasonable thing 08:17:20 but as far as i know, there are no plans at the moment 08:18:31 I see, well then I know what I'm doing this semester 08:19:12 Basically what I am thinking now is make a concept, just to see how it works 08:19:30 and make it easy to provide models to monsters and such 08:19:35 yeah 08:19:56 my guess is that it'd be easiest to start with webtiles, since that's already separated out pretty well 08:20:13 although that depends on if you're comfortable with javascript as opposed to c++ 08:20:33 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 08:20:36 well, I do think doing some webgl work could prove nice 08:21:05 I'm just unsure how that would workout since my experience with webgl is next to none 08:21:17 -!- omni5cie1ce is now known as omni5cience 08:22:32 yeah, i have no experience with it either 08:24:31 I will investigate if it is possible to use webgl for a game that has such a big scope (lots of models on the screen, basic lighting) 08:29:48 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:30:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:30:49 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: bis später] 08:32:29 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:39 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 08:36:04 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 08:40:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:52 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Client Quit] 09:01:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:05:48 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:07:26 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:09 -!- frobop_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:09 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:00 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:09 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:16:49 -!- pentax has quit [Quit: ヒーロー見参！] 09:17:15 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:41 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:18:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:20:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:31 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:27:17 -!- flowsnake_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:18 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:34 -!- flowsnake_ is now known as flowsnake 09:28:29 -!- Ipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29:50 -!- nico- has quit [Quit: .] 09:32:12 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:33:47 throwing weapons don't get autoinscribed with {god gift} apparently - is this intentional? 09:37:49 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:40:31 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:41:28 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:01 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:50:10 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:53 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:06:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:16:37 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:23:08 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 10:23:48 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:49 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:29:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:29:20 -!- tollyphone has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:36:06 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:43:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:42 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:54:26 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:09:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:50 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:10:32 -!- Cannonbait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:02 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:16:17 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:18:57 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:53 -!- Stoats has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:20:55 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:22:37 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:22:58 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:24:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:31 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:08 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:32:31 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:22 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 11:34:41 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 11:36:55 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:37 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 11:40:25 -!- xnavy is now known as Guest18722 11:40:25 -!- Guest18722 has quit [Killed (weber.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 11:40:25 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 11:41:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:47:31 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:05 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:28 -!- Tolias has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53:44 I *think* the point of weapons getting inscribed {god gift} is to remind you to actually check to ID them, since in principle they're more likely to be decent than the average weapon. Throwing weapons are auto-IDed, so there's no need for that? 11:53:50 !seen elliptic 11:53:50 I last saw elliptic at Sat Sep 6 16:13:15 2014 UTC (40m 35s ago) saying '!lm * ghost cbro t / noun=gw' on ##crawl. 11:54:04 hi 11:54:13 I was talking with nrook about The Corrosion Problem 11:54:46 he suggested that - now that there's no per-slot corrosion - it doesn't make sense to retain the old complicated per-slot corrosion-chance system 11:55:18 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:34 and that a simpler alternative would be to solely consider whether the player was wearing body armour when deciding whether to corrode them with attacks 11:56:13 I'd rather not look at the player's armour at all 11:56:34 all characters are wearing body armour unless they are Op, Fe, or in a form 11:56:53 or dr! 11:56:55 and I don't feel that those should get special consideration for corrosion 11:56:57 oh right, yes 11:57:12 I'm also fine with that. you'll need to change the message, but we already need to do that 11:57:29 right 11:57:43 changing messages is sometimes the hardest part though :P 11:57:47 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:37 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00:16 pfeh! 12:01:10 -!- Jolly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:02:37 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15.0-18-g9076a4f 12:02:57 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 12:03:26 !lg * t / sk=invocations 12:03:27 744/32460 games for * (t): N=744/32460 (2.29%) 12:03:33 !lg * t0.14 / sk=invocations 12:03:35 1686/62592 games for * (t0.14): N=1686/62592 (2.69%) 12:03:38 hm. 12:05:13 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:05:51 -!- stickyfingers_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:06:21 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-331-g39fd2ee (34) 12:08:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:08:58 -!- jefkin_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:11:11 !lg * t won / sk=invocations 12:11:12 62/476 games for * (t won): N=62/476 (13.03%) 12:11:17 !lg * t0.14 won / sk=invocations 12:11:18 28/743 games for * (t0.14 won): N=28/743 (3.77%) 12:11:42 nice 12:11:44 !lm * t br.enter=lair / sk=invocations 12:11:46 77/3686 milestones for * (t br.enter=lair): N=77/3686 (2.09%) 12:11:49 !lm * t0.14 br.enter=lair / sk=invocations 12:11:53 127/7566 milestones for * (t0.14 br.enter=lair): N=127/7566 (1.68%) 12:12:08 !lg * t won sk=invocations s=title 12:12:09 62 games for * (t won sk=invocations): 11x Bringer of Law, 9x Bringer of Light, 6x Champion of Chaos, 5x End of an Era, 4x Faith Healer, 3x Victor of a Thousand Battles, 3x Force of Nature, 2x Demon Slayer, 2x Immaculate, 2x Genius of the Arcane, Halfling Cataclysm, Pacifier, Apostate, Harbinger of Death, Ticktocktomancer, Centaur Cataclysm, Grim Reaper, Envoy of Void, Corrupter of Planes, Eternal... 12:12:15 !lg * t won sk=invocations s=-title 12:12:16 62 games for * (t won sk=invocations): Orcish Catastrophe, Demolition Octopus, Orcish Cataclysm, Minotaur Catastrophe, Messiah, Eternal Night, Corrupter of Planes, Envoy of Void, Grim Reaper, Centaur Cataclysm, Apostate, Pacifier, Ticktocktomancer, Harbinger of Death, Halfling Cataclysm, 2x Genius of the Arcane, 2x Immaculate, 2x Demon Slayer, 3x Victor of a Thousand Battles, 3x Force of Nature, 4... 12:12:31 oh, huh, we have prophet iiis now 12:12:39 didn't the last time I'd looked 12:13:47 oh, nice, the team competition is closer now 12:13:52 I guess johnny0 got recruited 12:14:50 the old johnny0 recruit trick 12:21:03 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:58 huh. vampires get tiny +acc bonuses with their bite attack when low on blood. 12:28:12 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:28:13 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 12:29:50 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:52 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:31:57 Johnny (L15 DgFE) (Elf:3) 12:33:23 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:15 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:37 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:45:28 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 12:47:20 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:00 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:41 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:00 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:02 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:55 would be telling the player how much a monster is poisoned a good idea 13:03:22 good grammar eb 13:03:36 more like 13:03:39 good grammar, "be" 13:06:11 -!- worak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:06:33 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15.0-18-g9076a4f 13:08:01 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:09:18 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:04 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:55 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:12 !source.transform.cc 13:16:17 !source transform.cc 13:16:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/transform.cc;hb=HEAD 13:16:34 oops 13:17:00 vampires get 13:17:02 a lot of stuff 13:17:08 ya 13:18:17 i remember seeing a directive where someone was including another crawl.rc in their crawl.rc, does that directive support any valid URL? 13:18:32 <|amethyst> no, only files in the same directory 13:18:40 sensible 13:18:59 pleasing 13:18:59 fungus 13:19:04 did you see my reaching thread 13:19:09 if so What Do You Think 13:19:26 I saw the title and then realized I was looking at gdd 13:19:29 and felt extremely tired 13:19:31 and closed the tab 13:19:35 I can read it if you'd like, tho 13:19:43 eh, i can just summarize it: 13:19:56 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:16 remove reaching as a thing, instead add skewer: polearms work like normal weapons in that you can only atk enemies adjacent to you, but when you attack, you also attack the square behind them in the direction of your attack 13:20:29 -!- vfoley- has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:20:34 why 13:20:37 ^ 13:20:58 Because reach makes webtiles lagg and i dont like the reach interface 13:21:02 lol 13:21:03 lol 13:21:04 no offense 13:21:07 That is a terrible reason. 13:21:14 idk interface is a valid complaint 13:21:16 its pretty dang annoying imo 13:21:22 the reach interface does suck, but as commented in that thread that just means you should remove it 13:21:25 reaching does have an interface burden problem but thats acknowledged 13:21:36 I honestly prefer the hoplite solution 13:21:43 i guess you could allow it to reach by swinging at nothing 13:21:43 that we were talking about like a month ago 13:21:48 yes minmay linked that 13:21:50 o 13:22:02 what does that do exactly? 13:22:05 what if theres two invisible monsters and i want to only hit the one in front 13:22:17 oh god he embedded like seven thousand lines of chatlog 13:22:19 yes 13:22:20 yes 13:22:26 i like reading though 13:22:27 skewer doesn't make much sense when combined with ctrl-attacking 13:22:29 I hate it 13:22:29 -!- Miauw has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:32 anyway 13:22:52 well, i figured if you still want the "reach" effect in some way.. 13:22:53 ts, it gives you a free attack when moving directly toward enemies 13:22:56 oh 13:23:05 i mean that also is good i think 13:23:24 the idea there is that it encourages moving towards enemies 13:23:28 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:33 which is something that crawl often discourages 13:23:33 if it means less checking textbox/xv for enemies withpolearms, I am all for it 13:23:34 my solution to the reaching problem is to not use polearms if i'm not an Mf 13:23:37 and also isnt reaching 13:23:41 on the player side 13:24:14 PleasingFungus: what does "directly toward" mean there? 13:24:19 @.. 13:24:19 ..r 13:24:25 can I get a free attack on the r? 13:24:55 the r is safe from your cruel predations 13:24:59 why not just do "when you move adjacent to an enemy"? 13:25:00 that seems awful 13:25:06 much simpler imo 13:25:07 @..r 13:25:08 because then you always want to step left 13:25:09 what happens there? 13:25:10 tabstorm: what if you move next to multiple enemies? 13:25:11 yeah that would encourage . . . right 13:25:15 AI magic 13:25:16 and then the r moves up and left 13:25:18 and then you hit it 13:25:21 so no thanks 13:25:22 ya that's bad 13:25:32 simmarine: obviously you randomize energy until you have the right parity 13:25:42 or 13:25:42 iirc minmay also noted that it would encourage running away for a while, and *then* moving toward it 13:25:44 ackack: haha 13:25:46 attack all of them! 13:25:46 which is again not exciting 13:25:53 ackack: i mean theres always pressing s... but yes i guess you can go that route too 13:26:17 always be moving that's my motto 13:26:18 I just treat polearms as something that occasionally gives me a free hit on a monster 13:26:22 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:56 if not using pets 13:27:01 polearms and axes largely don't exist to me 13:27:07 personally I don't mind player polearm interface because tab tab tab, but I agree that isn't a great solution 13:27:28 well even when using pets I tend to close range since reaching likes to fail if there's something inbetween, even ifi it is friendly 13:27:31 i like axes even thoguh they arent optimal 13:27:38 someone in the thread notes that tab tab tab fucks you over against centaurs/xbow orcs/etc 13:27:43 when using polearms 13:27:43 I think polearm mechanic works well aside from the interface though, better than most other stuff that gets suggested 13:27:48 PleasingFungus: that's not clear 13:27:58 i would be disappointed if whatever is decided hear means that monster polearm reaching went away 13:28:06 because that's something that i think works very well 13:28:07 PleasingFungus: like it isn't stupid to attack a centaur with reaching instead of wasting a turn moving towards it 13:28:12 doy: they can just get skewer instead 13:28:16 i was sort of trying to replicate the reach effect but in a passive way 13:28:20 it might not be correct, but it isn't clearly bad either 13:28:30 and sometimes it is correct 13:28:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:36 mm 13:28:43 ackack: how would that work, there's only one of you 13:28:54 doy: thatsthejoke 13:28:57 d: 13:29:17 admittedly there are some limited situations where it would matter 13:29:43 -!- HDA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:29:45 doy: the issue with monster polearm reaching is that it means that players have to pay more attention to what weapon a monster is carrying 13:29:55 <|amethyst> isn't that also an issue with brands? 13:29:56 I do think this is solvable, though 13:29:59 |amethyst: yes 13:30:12 yea imo its sort of not fun to check monsters for polearms esp. in console 13:30:16 in tiles its easy enough 13:30:22 i will say that being able to quickly visually identify monsters that i need to pay more attention to has always been one of my best arguments for webtiles 13:30:34 the thing is that if a monster is scary with a polearm, it is probably also scary with a runed weapon 13:30:35 same w/ xbows and bows, easy to see 13:30:49 tabstorm: there have been proposals to improve console interface for this 13:30:57 they just haven't been implemented 13:30:57 i was not aware 13:31:09 shrug, that's not really something i've ever had a problem with, there aren't that many cases where it's ambiguous 13:31:17 <|amethyst> I thought it has been implmented 13:31:17 was thinking of just adjusting rc to force-more when an enemy with polearms or bows in view so i dont have to read/xv as much 13:31:19 <|amethyst> press ctrl-t 13:31:20 i guess you have to be paying attention to messages, i guess 13:31:25 but 13:31:52 the only time i really read the message box in webtiles is when im acquiring 13:32:05 for instance 13:32:17 |amethyst: heh, I didn't know about that 13:32:23 oh wow 13:32:25 ^t is neat 13:32:33 turns people into dancing weapons 13:32:45 |amethyst: I still think it would be nice to let people configure things to use different glyphs/accents/whatever for monsters based on their weapon(s), though 13:32:53 <|amethyst> yeah 13:33:39 elliptic: new as of 0.15 13:33:41 wheals added it 13:33:48 ^t also doesn't show runed/glowing/whatever info, just the general type (which is enough for polearms of course) 13:34:11 <|amethyst> elliptic: it does if you set colours for that :) 13:34:48 <|amethyst> item_glyph += ego:lightgreen (but if you do only that you lose the weapon type of course) 13:35:48 the other main proposal I remember for improving the situation is to list the weapon in the monster list - the issue there is when there are 10 orcs in sight, and you don't know which one has the runed dagger 13:36:21 but it would help with D:1 kobolds/hobgoblins, which is honestly probably a large proportion of when I bother to check monster weapons 13:36:28 return mutate(which_mut, reason, false, false, false, false, false, false, true); 13:36:31 thanks, obama 13:37:23 that function's signature & calls belong in @crawlcode 13:37:29 and, in fact, has appeared there 13:37:45 calling mutate() is disgusting yes 13:38:28 oh: that reminds me. qazlal gives -resist temp-muts as part of his wrath. undead can worship, and abandon, qaz 13:38:39 this interacts in a really stupid way 13:38:45 do they rot? 13:38:46 Doesn't he just not do that to undead 13:38:51 hmm, let me check 13:39:08 ??qazlal wrath 13:39:08 qazlal wrath[1/2]: Abandonment: 25 penance. Penance: 33% chance of hostile elementals; 33% chance of flooding the floor around you with lava; 33% chance of getting temporary mutated rF--, rC--, rElec-, or deformed body. 13:39:09 godwrath.cc: if (mutate(RANDOM_QAZLAL_MUTATION, "the adversity of Qazlal", false, 13:39:09 they do & did when I wizmode tested 13:39:10 godwrath.cc- false, true, false, false, false, true)) 13:39:12 mutate(which_mut, reason, false, false, false, false, false, false, true); - reminds me of http://zdoom.org/wiki/A_SpawnItemEx 13:39:15 oh, of course, now I know exactly what happens 13:39:24 nrook: sounds about right 13:39:25 =p 13:39:33 nrook: imagine if those were python-style named args! 13:39:38 it would still be awful 13:39:43 but, I mean, less so 13:39:46