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A tax is a fine for doing well] 01:09:14 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:05 -!- raskol has quit [Changing host] 01:18:44 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:23:14 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:23:47 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26:00 nabalzbhf (L14 KoWn) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Lair:7) 01:27:27 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:29:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:40 Zot trap blocking only path in/out vaults 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8924 by MorganLeah 01:32:02 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:33:37 PleasingFungus: The joke is probably Haifisch has such good luck, a dev must be giving her items. 01:33:42 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34:08 "joke"? 01:34:10 what is "joke" 01:35:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:40:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:44:28 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:44:52 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:40 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:50:21 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:51:28 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 02:01:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:51 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:57 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:07:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140901091008]] 02:09:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:11:51 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:02 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. 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enemies intentional? 14:45:57 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:41 _You finish putting on the +2 helmet "Sour Lua" {rC+}. 14:46:42 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:47:32 Made by someone who can't code 14:48:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:48:51 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:18 coding with cold hands/head is hard! 14:52:45 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:19 rchandra: Yes, it is 14:53:26 rchandra: it's pretty abusable otherwies 14:53:46 (re: torpor snails) 14:54:19 Unlinked item held by dead monster 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8926 by Badjas 14:54:21 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:03 seems reasonable. just another monster that you don't want from shadow creatures (cf Zot moths of wrath) 14:57:29 -!- ofna01 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:40 It doesn't slow you at least . . . moth of wrath berserks your enemies! 14:58:10 one other: trapdoor spider makes resting broken by spam 14:58:58 ugh, yeah, I hate that 14:59:15 -!- worak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:01:20 yeah, ran into that recently 15:02:09 -!- stanzbrb is now known as stanzill 15:02:14 !hs gw 15:02:14 950. gw the Severer (L15 DDFi of Makhleb), blasted by Asterion (bolt of lightning) on Snake:4 on 2014-09-04 17:37:22, with 105049 points after 26288 turns and 0:21:09. 15:04:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:04:36 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:37 -!- Nabalzbhf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:59 still better than ancient zyme shadow creature 15:11:21 -!- Nabalzbhf2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:13:59 ? 15:15:21 You feel yourself growing ill in the presence of your zyme. 15:16:37 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:58 -!- Tenda is now known as TendaAway 15:19:03 -!- raskol has quit [Ping 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15:35:15 !lg @bot (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) s=name,ckiller,kmap 15:35:15 6 games for @bot ((kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher)): 3x qw (an octopode crusher, a titanic slime creature (gammafunk_enter_depths_forms), Asterion (uniq_asterion)), 2x xw (2x a stone giant zombie (2x gammafunk_enter_depths_grave)), gw (Asterion (uniq_asterion)) 15:39:17 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:10 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:10 It's a dpeg sighting! 15:47:20 improbable 15:48:03 Been playing a GrIE inspired by the tourney.. gotta say, I much appreciate not having to manage my carrying capacity.. eagerly anticipating chunk removal! :) 15:51:44 hi there! 15:51:57 oh yeah I forgot about food refrorm 15:52:00 *form 15:52:10 Keskitalo: not sure what'll happen to chunkless. I will ask if anyone has the power and will to talk about it again. :) 15:52:30 Anyway, wanted to thank everyone who added all these cool Hexes! 15:52:45 !lg . br=Zot 15:52:45 8. dpeg the Sorcerer (L25 SpVM of Ashenzari), blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) (kmap: hall_of_Zot) on Zot:4 on 2014-09-05 13:33:38, with 550167 points after 127226 turns and 9:12:45. 15:58:10 !seen neil 15:58:10 Sorry dpeg, I haven't seen neil. 15:59:02 ah, vm splats :) 15:59:09 !lg . mu 15:59:10 15. wheals the Anemomancer (L27 MuVM of Ashenzari), slain by a torturous black sun (a +0 mace) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-04 22:31:31, with 732638 points after 121994 turns and 5:21:49. 15:59:16 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:59:43 kind of sad that i never used chain lightning before that game; it was the first spell added in DCSS, correct? 16:00:15 wheals: hm, no idea. Too many years ago :) 16:00:30 I used ball lightning and it was a lot of fun! 16:00:40 yeah 16:00:49 !lg PleasingFungus vaults:5 sp 16:00:49 1. PleasingFungus the Sorcerer (L21 SpFE of Ashenzari), killed by an exploding ball lightning (created by wheals' ghost) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2014-05-01 23:34:26, with 380108 points after 64058 turns and 6:59:53. 16:00:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:55 btw, I think there is a bug: the hat of the alchemist and the crown of doroprycoeakghksdf count as helmets, not hats :( 16:01:07 wheals: \o/ devkill!!! 16:01:12 really? did you perhaps get antennae 3? 16:01:17 !log dpeg zot 16:01:18 8. dpeg, XL25 SpVM, T:127226: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.15/dpeg/morgue-dpeg-20140905-133338.txt 16:01:36 they are helmets in ctrl-f because that's the slot name, I think 16:01:45 were they greyed out for you? 16:01:59 yes, they were 16:02:17 my SpVM found both in Elf... they were grey... of course I didn't try them on 16:02:28 don't tell me if they'd have fit, don't wanna know :) 16:03:06 they'd have fit and they also grant immunity to fire damage, recent change 16:03:07 sorry 16:03:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:27 gammafunk: oh, painful... I've been running around with a +2 hat till the end :( 16:03:40 dpeg: It was joke :) 16:03:58 just in light of how you died 16:04:27 gammafunk: phew! :) So I think there is a bug with this. 16:05:07 i can't reproduce it just by being a spriggan and &|, so there's something more complicated going on i guess 16:05:41 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:42 !log dpeg sp 16:05:42 118. dpeg, XL25 SpVM, T:127226: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.15/dpeg/morgue-dpeg-20140905-133338.txt 16:05:46 hrm, unfitting armour, that shouldn't be it of course 16:06:04 unfitting is the spriggan normal mutation 16:06:09 right 16:08:23 oh, this game is evil: I found gold dragon hide on D:1 for my OgHu, so for fun I am going to build my game around it (right now XL 13, AC 23)... when on D:11 a treasure trove asks for a +3 GDA :O 16:09:31 don't do it, man. don't give the armour away. 16:09:46 no, can't, already invested so much 16:09:48 thats pretty good 16:10:01 but think of all the cold resistance rings you can find! 16:10:39 gourmand amulets! piles of stones! 16:11:32 I had treasure troves that were very very rich 16:12:05 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:50 yeah, but are you willing to bet on that? 16:12:52 :) 16:13:41 PleasingFungus: as always: you take a gamble when you're behind, not when you are ahead 16:13:52 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13:53 -!- ofna01 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:54 solid 16:15:32 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:16:11 -!- schistosomatic is now known as stomatopod 16:16:55 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 16:16:55 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:21:21 -!- stomatopod is now known as schistosleep 16:22:29 ??gsc 16:22:29 giant spiked club[1/4]: It looks *really* painful. Damage rating: 22 Accuracy rating: -7 Base attack delay: 18, never generated with a brand unless it's an artefact, god gift, or vault. Can only be wielded by trolls, giants, and ogres. The best twohander in the game. 16:26:34 -!- Badjas has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:29:29 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:21 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30:39 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:39:01 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:12 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:38 -!- eliotn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42:36 <|amethyst> something to do with your second GDA 16:48:32 in case you get 20 enchant armour scrolls 16:48:45 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:49:38 -!- ofna01 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:50 doesn't look like it :) 16:55:29 -!- schistosleep is now known as schistosoma 16:55:44 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:38 -!- schistosoma is now known as schistosomatic 17:02:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:08:35 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:09:56 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-328-gfd822c7 (34) 17:11:39 -!- schistosomatic is now known as schisto 17:14:17 -!- Vidiny has quit [] 17:14:26 -!- bonghit__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:51 -!- schisto has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:36 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [] 17:20:12 -!- fridurmus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:21:12 -!- uglyjohn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:22:12 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:25:42 -!- fridurmus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:28:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:24 !seen elliptic 17:32:24 I last saw elliptic at Fri Sep 5 19:21:39 2014 UTC (3h 10m 45s ago) saying 'so you just ssh once and then just have an expect script start a new game when the old one dies (or at least this is what qw does)' on ##crawl-dev. 17:37:08 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:39:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41:37 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 17:44:11 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:19 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:48 -!- Harkenn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:42 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:44 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:50 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:46 ?/swastika 17:54:46 Matching entries (2): goodmantis[7]: 0006122: Map in the form of a swastika | vault[3]: [Mu_] the most crucial part of making a large map is ensuring that no section of it either looks like a swastika or a smiley face 17:56:27 sa thread is divided on the subject of http://i.imgur.com/Xugckn7.jpg . 17:56:57 on the plus side, it doesn't look like a smiley face. 17:58:34 -!- Harkenn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:26 -!- Harkenn_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:44 random idea: weapon brand spell that's usable only on already-branded weapons 18:03:16 so it isn't a nobrainer, since you have to lose the current brand, and you'd only use it when this specific fight would be improved by it 18:06:08 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:06:42 PleasingFungus: yes, saw that. It could easily come from map randomisation, and I think it's not worth the trouble setting up anti-swastika code (just like how we don't care about what politically incorrect randart names the generator may produce). 18:06:49 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:07:02 We renamed the unique Adolf, gotta be enough of a statement, no? 18:07:42 wheals: hm, only way I could see this be interesting if there's a chance that the original brand disappears. 18:08:26 interesting, a chance of a permanent cost 18:08:40 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:08:48 wheals: yes. Want to avoid completely mindless casting of the spell. 18:08:55 also could help make it less useful late-game; you wouldn't want to lose that elec on your dwhip, would you? 18:09:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:48 could fit with PleasingFungus's idea of tmut as having semi-permanent costs, could be charms/tmut/(maybe something else?) 18:10:13 wheals: nice. I like how Nec tends to have HP costs. 18:11:08 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 18:11:45 gotta go now; will probably think about it more later 18:12:10 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:15:29 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:49 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:41 -!- Harkenn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:30:02 -!- stickyfingers_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:48 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: on y dort] 18:31:20 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:32:43 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:59 -!- fridurmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:26 -!- Harkenn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:42:34 two bazaars in one game, didn't know this was possible 18:42:50 -!- ofna01 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:22 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:33 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 18:52:47 I think it is as long as one is untimed (also maybe both axe and spear bailey is possible?) 18:56:24 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:56:24 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:33 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00:25 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:28 !tell pleasingfungus you do realize there are vaults that actually have "swastika" in their names 19:01:29 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:02:57 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:31 !tell minmay that sounds vaguely familiar 19:05:31 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:05:32 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 19:05:34 rchandra: yes, exactly 19:05:44 I know there have been swastika controversies before 19:05:59 -!- lgft has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:06:11 I think it is a reasonable thing to be wary of, within limits 19:06:18 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:10:21 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140808030201]] 19:11:18 just avoid excessively nazi ones, deleting the symbol from existence is a foul thing to do 19:11:45 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 19:18:08 is there any amount of nazi that's not excessive? 19:18:17 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:22 I just watched ashizen die after his transient mutations (http://i.imgur.com/RBWyyox.png) did not expire after over 1400 turns (between turn 50427 - 52020). Is that intended? See !lg ashizen -tv 19:19:40 hrm, well it expires based on xp gain 19:19:53 so it could last that long if there wasn't sufficient xp gained over that time 19:20:25 Ohhhhh, ok nevermind, if that's how it works, then that would be why his hiding in a corner waiting it off didn't exactly wait anything off. 19:20:37 hahaha, that was his strat 19:21:06 I wonder if anything in the game indicates that it's xp that removes temp mutations 19:23:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:24:22 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:12 that is a pretty miserable set of mutations 19:27:33 I thought the A screen does, but it might not 19:27:38 is that like the max level of every bad mutation? 19:28:15 doesn't seem to have teleport or berserk 19:28:22 oh, formic 19:28:32 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:36 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 19:29:03 Should crosstraining use pre-Ash Skill Boost skill? 19:29:35 (Because it does) 19:31:56 yes 19:32:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:02 (imo) 19:33:09 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:33:19 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:21 read: are you Martin? 19:33:53 (must be a funny question if not... there was a roguelike & crawler Martin Read years ago) 19:33:56 Naw. 19:35:04 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39:27 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:42:45 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:12 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:13 -!- [1]svendre is now known as svendre 19:48:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:49:45 -!- ofna01___ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:28 -!- ofna01_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:51:13 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:48 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 20:01:08 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 20:01:25 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:40 dpeg: Hello! 20:04:28 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:06:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140901091008]] 20:06:49 reaverb: Hi! 20:06:58 I've been wondering if you still had any ideas about smithgod. 20:07:33 (Sorry about sort of jumping right to that, but we haven't both both online at the same time in a while :D) 20:08:07 No problem! There is certainly no shortage of ideas but I don't even know where smithgod is right now :( 20:08:18 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:08:49 reaverb: the effort should definitely not go to waste! You can always get me into details with an email. 20:09:19 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:22 I've sort of stopped maintaining the branch because it isn't really moving forward. 20:09:28 Potions of resistance description outdated 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8927 by Roarke 20:09:28 %git smithgod_rebased 20:09:28 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-2314-g5b6e44f: Merge branch 'master' into smithgod_rebased 10(6 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b6e44f7a7a5 20:09:37 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:09:52 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:44 reaverb: is this still mainly pubby's stuff? 20:10:47 My idea/plan was to take the various aspects of the god (Example: flame fortress) and put them on fixedarts until if/when somebody else was willing to pick it up. 20:10:54 you could just slip it into trunk now and see what happens - it can always sit out like Gozag if not suitable for next release 20:11:15 dpeg: Yes, I was mostly just keeping it up to date. 20:12:13 rchandra: I agree, although one difference is that I will playtest Gozag until I am happy with it and then pester people about it :) 20:12:23 reaverb: that is certainly very reasonable! 20:12:53 and other things are moving around it - for example, making ?enchant always work in Trunk meant it couldn't be Igni's thing anymore. 20:13:05 I have some smallish ideas for 0.16 (along the lines of weightless etc., i.e. rule changes)... gotta ask if anyone feels like carrying a god to the finish for next version. 20:13:17 reaverb: yes 20:13:25 I feel like helping Lasty get Ru in :D 20:14:05 * Lasty does a happy dance. 20:14:10 awesome! 20:15:03 Ru is best god. I must go buy food to celebrate, again. 20:15:18 And that's why rchandra is my favorite. 20:18:29 reaverb: thanks for mentioning this, I will bring it up after the tournament 20:20:38 Ru is best god 20:20:43 that's...interesting 20:21:42 :'( 20:22:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:24:48 dpeg: Sure, it just felt unresolved. 20:24:57 reaverb: yes! 20:25:12 gammafunk: well, it is such a subjective matter, no point bickering about it. What is the best god to you? 20:26:14 it's a trick question. Favorite god is sif, but there is no best of course 20:26:47 wow, sif :) 20:27:04 Out of curiosity, what makes Sif your favorite? 20:28:00 how else will he get the heie high score 20:28:01 both her design (simplicity, effictiveness) and her synergy with some of my favorite playstyles 20:28:22 she's not the most well designed god, but with some tweaks she could be right up there 20:28:49 but of course my opinion is irrelevant, and it also is wrt Ru :) 20:28:56 gammafunk: now you have to tell us! :) 20:29:09 what matters there is that Lasty is putting in the work and is not doing something (totally) insane 20:29:11 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:32 It's funny how with these things, it mostly boils down to "is someone there making the commits" 20:30:04 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:07 Well, I wouldn't disregard your opinion, but I'm hoping that when you get a chance to try Ru out you'll come to like it more. 20:31:43 ??ru 20:31:43 ru[1/5]: The god of renouncing the material world via sacrifice in order to gain knowledge and power. Ru helps adherents who strip away the trappings of their mortal life to see the true nature of reality, thus gaining great power. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. 20:31:56 Well don't worry, even if I don't there are enough good players and devs excited about the god (Bart, rchandra, PF, reaverb) 20:32:04 obviously those two are devs and NOT good players 20:32:04 Bart likes it? 20:32:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:13 yeah, remember his thread? 20:32:21 I asked why, he said, and I quote 20:32:25 "It's interesting" 20:32:38 I don't know if two words constitutes a thread 20:32:49 enigmatic as always, our Bart 20:32:57 No I meant you interacted with him in that tavern thread 20:33:03 Gotcha. 20:33:04 but I asked him in one of his games 20:33:06 and he said that 20:33:16 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:24 I think someone else expressed like for it as well 20:33:27 There's been a lot of commentary in the main Ru thread, and I don't remember entirely who said what 20:33:37 tasonir likes it 20:33:43 yeah, he might not have said he liked it in that thread, but he did to me at least 20:33:55 eb seems to like it pretty well 20:33:56 maybe it was tasonir,although I've rarely seen him in tiles 20:34:00 though with some reservations 20:34:04 oh, if eb likes it you're in 20:34:08 that's instant merge right there 20:34:13 game over 20:34:23 The fabled "eb backdoor" 20:34:24 eb: the player crawl is designed for 20:34:29 heh 20:34:35 gammafunk: and here I thought that meant something else . . . 20:34:50 yeah..not great with my catchphrases 20:35:05 ??gammafunk catchphrases 20:35:05 I don't have a page labeled gammafunk_catchphrases in my learndb. 20:35:07 Since a lot of people seem to be in the channel: I've been thinking a lot about rings. Ex. What exactly is the point of rings? 20:35:15 reaverb: woah 20:35:24 man, that's cosmic 20:35:31 Swappable enhancement from the looks of things 20:35:35 Purely descriptively, they add more flexibility to your build by allowing you two fast-swap slots. 20:35:46 which have a wide range of properties 20:35:51 reaverb: yes, I thought the same. 20:35:59 can you even have a roguelike without jewelery 20:36:01 is it allowed 20:36:20 Yes, but you have to gain a ton of intrensics from eating corpses. 20:36:23 ug 20:36:26 mmm 20:36:27 Here is one proposal that I have: add chirality to rings (so every ring is "left-handed" or "right-handed"). Doesn't answer you question, but would make the interface a little better :) 20:36:30 It pretty much becomes a corpse-eating simulator 20:36:51 dpeg: so you can't simultaneously wear two =rF 20:37:24 I guess we'd just make them into glove things then? 20:37:29 j - a left-handed ring of fire resistance (worn) 20:37:29 k - a right-handed ring of fire resistance (worn) 20:37:32 since "left-handed ring" is a bit weird 20:37:43 Basil: you could, the chirality would be a property of the individual ring. 20:37:52 Of course, reaverb was going for something completely different. 20:37:53 In Basil's world, only lefties wear rf 20:37:59 Lasty: yes! 20:38:00 How many left tentacles do octopodes get? 20:38:15 oh, each has a direction 20:38:16 Lasty: octopodes ignore chirality 20:38:20 How "desirable" is a fast-swap? It seems like they are sometimes "Use rFire when you see a fire monster, use rCold on a cold one, etc." 20:38:22 north tentacle, north-west tentacle 20:38:22 Op buff 20:38:27 careful about that dpeg 20:38:28 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:42 reaverb: yes, but when I wondered about making all swaps slow, then that has immediate problems, too. 20:38:45 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 20:39:11 hmm 20:39:20 Maybe go the IVAN route, make scroll reading slow 20:41:58 In terms of changing equipables, I've been pondering the idea of having charms be equippable items in a new slot, possibly a slot influenced by a Charms skill. You could find a charm of repel missiles, for example . . . but maybe you'd need to have some amount of Charms skill to use it -- 20:42:01 dpeg: Hmm, what immediate problems does all slow swap have? 20:42:18 Lasty: Hehe, I've thoughten about that too. 20:42:20 or maybe you could only equip a certain value of charms based on your Charms skill 20:42:37 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:38 makes rmut even less useful, or more useful - I'm not sure 20:43:03 Haste would probably have to stay a spell (or have the Haste charm stop existing). 20:43:32 -!- slitherrr has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:36 i think fast swap provides for interesting tactical choices 20:43:41 what would be gained by removing it? 20:44:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:44:11 you'd gain strategic choices, but I feel like they'd be more obvious 20:44:11 doy: Interesting strategic choices. 20:44:21 Such as whether rFire or rCold was worth more. 20:44:22 in combat it's not always clear to me when it's worth swapping (using the turn) 20:44:26 -!- Beeme_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:45:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:23 if the monster didn't see me I can swap whether its fast or slow 20:45:31 i don't think those choices would really be as interesting 20:45:40 you can't really do anything about them 20:46:07 rchandra: Can you give a rough % of the time the answer is unclear. 20:46:10 ? 20:46:26 and we already have armour egos and artefacts for the strategic choices 20:47:20 I think doy is right. We have to clamp high-frequency swapping (like the old amulet of gourmand) but otherwise it is okay. 20:47:58 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:11 old amulet of the gourmand was only problematic because its effect was non-combat, so swapping was obvious 20:48:12 I don't know about percentage, but say a fire giant is in the open and I have rF, but I could swap my decent ring of protection or slaying for another rF. or I could use the turns to summon shadow creatures/throw javelins/etc. 20:48:39 maybe using the less effective ring is better. meybe the second rF isn't even better? 20:49:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:20 it gets more interesting if there are monsters besides the fire giant are in view 20:49:24 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:25 hmm 20:50:36 I feel fast swap has some heavy baggage, such as some interface difficulties (which would be helped by ring chirality) or swapping if the monster doesn't notice you. I'm still thinking it's a net gain utility. 20:50:44 !learn edit basil[10] s:$:s/Firestarter/Calris 20:50:45 Basil[10/10]: Twisted Resurrection soon maybe??, quad damage xom effect, s/arga/agra, more zermako-lethal unrandss/Firestarter/Calris 20:50:55 the new =R inscription is great 20:51:03 !learn edit basil[10] s:ss:s, s 20:51:03 Basil[10/10]: Twisted Resurrection soon maybe??, quad damage xom effect, s/arga/agra, more zermako-lethal unrands, s/Firestarter/Calris 20:51:18 yes, im glad =R exists now 20:51:27 rchandra: What number on slaying/protect is decent? 20:51:51 +5 is likely worth using through extended 20:52:36 ??arga 20:52:36 arga[1/1]: +10,+6 mithril broad axe of speed, +2 str, MR+. (The "mithril" is just flavor.) +8 in 0.15. 20:52:48 ??agra 20:52:49 agra[1/2]: He's weilding the mighty Agra unrandart which is about as deadly as that quick blade I had if not deadlier. [...] Seriously look at how good this guy was he had a freaking demon whip and the mighty Agra (which is like the most broken fixedart axe ever speed brand which almost always hits for tons of damage). 20:52:56 ??agra[2 20:52:57 agra[2/2]: Only hat of alchemist and staff of wizardry increases character power related to spells, you still need to train magic skills to get any bonus from books. Compare with vampiric battleaxe, Wrath of Trog or Agra. They are useful instantly and CHANGE gameplay. 20:53:00 reaverb: now you know how I came up with that strange idea :) 20:53:00 Basil: why change the name? 20:54:00 dpeg: Yes, its interesting. 20:54:41 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:58:20 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:59:02 A connected issue: ring balance seems a little...off I guess? A high protection/evasion/slaying ring will normally be the "default" by the end of the game, ring of magic power isn't really used outside early game and fire/ice are kind of niche. 20:59:53 i don't think there's anything wrong with some things being useful in early game and other things being useful in late game 20:59:57 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:01 magical power can be quite useful early on 21:00:06 that is true about fire/ice though 21:00:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:01:38 are protection/evasion rings really endgame-level good these days? 21:01:44 fire / ice are niche but definitely useful by different characters at different times, I've even used them in extended. It might be neat to make them a little generally stronger and replace the rF/rC with them 21:01:47 i haven't been keeping up with how the balance works 21:02:26 if endgame is 3-rune, definitely. in extended you are more likely to have found some multiporpose randart rings, but nothing wrong with using ac/ev 21:02:36 *multiporpoise :) 21:02:52 rchandra: for octopodes 21:02:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:58 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:08:08 doy: I don't think there's anything wrong with something being useful early game early, but I think making =magic power more competitive late game would be a interesting decision for using vs. not using it. 21:08:25 s/early game early/early game only/ 21:08:44 staff of power got a boost, would something like that work (and does anybody use the new one ?) 21:08:50 what ever happened to the removing mp cap discussion on tavern 21:09:49 unless it gives more mp or something, its hard to give up for a say a nice evasion ring though 21:10:26 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:10:37 simmarine: If somebody made a decent patch for removing the mp cap, I think it would be accepted. 21:10:53 rchandra: I'm convinced the new one is a trap almost always 21:11:00 reaverb: I am not convinced... I always felt that the problem is ubiquitious channelling, not the mp cap. 21:11:16 (Would also be a wonderful opprtunity to remove all the horrible, horrible step-downs mp cap uses) 21:11:38 i'm not convinced that removing the mp cap is necessarily a good thing 21:11:52 dpeg: err, convinced on what issue? 21:11:59 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:12:35 reaverb: I think I understand what the mp cap is good for. I might be off here, but casters having to manage their mp pool tactically seems good to me. 21:12:44 yeah, i agree 21:12:59 allowing casters to never have to worry about running out of mp (given the right build) seems less interesting 21:14:06 on the other hand, we've already removed this distinction for hunters, with the removal of weights 21:14:37 but i still don't think that was a universally good thing either, so 21:14:40 shrug 21:14:57 doy: yes, and with my OgHu I sometimes feel bad about it (can fire rocks at will... there is no shortage whatsoever). A crucial difference between caster and hunter: the former has flexibility, the latter is only shooting. 21:14:57 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:24 doy: we contemplated whether there should be special caps, especially for rocks and javelins... 21:15:48 Hmm, I vaguely suspect I'm not informed of the particulariers of the mp cap - is the mp cap a hard cap or soft cap? 21:16:09 reaverb: soft, but very heavy stepdown 21:16:23 reaverb: there are so many stepdowns, I believe, that 50 MP is a pretty hard soft cap, IIUC 21:16:37 Ah, Ok. 21:16:39 It's effectively a hard cap unless you use +mp items, AFAIK 21:16:54 yeah 21:17:09 I wouldn't mind ring/staff of power disregard the cap, for example. But that's something completely different to removing the cap on natural mp. 21:18:03 What about making the cap more soft, making it harder to get to 50 but easier to get past it? 21:18:18 might be possible -- make a proposal :) I got to sleeeeep 21:18:20 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: night!] 21:18:34 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 21:26:51 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:32:06 -!- DrKe is now known as DRKE 21:32:29 -!- DRKE is now known as DrKe 21:34:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:35:36 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:35:36 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:35:53 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:37:22 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:41 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0/20140825202822]] 21:39:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:14 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:19 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:47:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:43 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 21:56:05 !tell gammafunk I'll show you who's NOT a good player!!!!!!!!! 21:56:05 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 21:56:56 !tell gammafunk (it's you.............) 21:56:57 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 21:58:55 d-d-d-dang 21:58:56 Grunt: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:01:34 New and tweaked tiles for several dreadful creatures 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8928 by roctavian 22:01:52 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:54 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0/20140825202822]] 22:02:55 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:03:02 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:59 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:07:44 huh 22:07:54 new hellfire is extremely good 22:08:46 * Grunt gestures. The hellfire explodes! The burst of hellfire engulfs PleasingFungus! 22:09:16 I like the hellion in conjunction with the new hellfire. 22:09:38 it's cute 22:09:45 look how pleased it is with itself! 22:09:49 !send PleasingFungus 16 hellions 22:09:50 Sending 16 hellions to PleasingFungus. 22:10:00 I'd be pleased if I had an island to myself and my family too!!! 22:10:12 <3 22:11:32 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:22 %git :/ellion 22:15:27 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-889-g5f4c38d: Use the most powerful applicable Recitation against enemies. 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 8+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f4c38d67a61 22:17:59 Basil: <3 22:18:44 fwiw, I think that any changes to the mp cap should preserve the current situation of "even extended characters need to worry about running out of mp" 22:18:53 agreed 22:19:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:13 I don't understand why people hate the "mp cap" so much 22:19:41 like, crawl uses stepdowns for lots of other things too 22:19:43 ??mp cap 22:19:43 I don't have a page labeled mp_cap in my learndb. 22:19:45 EV, for instance 22:19:57 (well, EV from dodging) 22:20:18 -!- markgo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:24 ??kiku randbook 22:20:24 kiku randbook[1/2]: First book: One of (Pain, Animate Skeleton); Corpse Rot; Sublimation of Blood (replaced by the other level 1 if you cannot use it); one of (Regeneration, Vampiric Draining); Control Undead. (But you will never get a spell you can't cast due to your species.) 22:20:34 the mp cap is an unusually harsh stepdown. (the ev cap from dodging is also harsh, but people run into it less often.) 22:20:36 ??kiku randbook[2 22:20:37 kiku randbook[2/2]: Second book: One of (Animate Dead, Twisted Resurrection); one of (Agony, Excruciating Wounds); one of (Bolt of Draining, Simulacrum, Death Channel); Dispel Undead; and then one more of these possible spells that you didn't get already. 22:20:53 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:20:54 hmm 22:21:14 PleasingFungus: what does "unusually harsh" mean here? 22:21:30 the important thing should be whether the mp formula plays well anyway, not the details of the formula 22:21:33 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:42 and I've not heard any arguments about that 22:21:44 yes, of course, and that's why I'm very reluctant to endorse change wrt mp cap. 22:23:17 How useful is sublimation in Kiku's randbook? 22:23:19 I do think that some mild changes like removing the "halve after 50" thing for rings of magical power might be reasonable 22:23:43 which I see was mentioned earlier 22:23:53 Basil: should still be good, I think. not as good as before, but good. what do you mean? 22:24:36 I've never felt there to be much internal synergy with it and the rest of the book, but that might just be how I play more than the spell itself 22:24:47 did sublim change aside from not working on chunks? 22:25:10 not that I know, it's just a thought I had for "a while" 22:25:28 one thing about it is that self-sublim is pretty bad early game 22:25:45 both because you have less HP and because it is less efficient because you have lower power 22:25:50 elliptic: not IIRC. removing chunks was the only thing from what I can tell. 22:26:07 and also you might not have regen spell if that wasn't in the book too 22:26:25 Well, if you didn't have vamp drain there'd basically be no reason to sublimate 22:26:41 well, there would be once you get the second book 22:26:44 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:27:00 I'm talking about even once you are in lair, self-sublim isn't great usually 22:27:17 does crawl have an official house style wrt the oxford comma? 22:27:23 sorry, not apropos 22:27:33 I really miss simulacrum and to a lesser extent sublimation with chunks 22:27:50 new simulacrum is rather nicer to play with 22:27:51 Basil: anyway I am basically agreeing with you that sublim in the first kikubook isn't great 22:28:22 it's nice to have access to, and you're not worshipping sif or something, so there's no guarantee you'll have access to it later if you don't get it in that book 22:28:26 but that's not much help early on 22:28:36 kikubooks aren't in great shape in general though given all the spells that have been removed, I'm not sure what to do with them 22:28:41 PleasingFungus: Nemelex descript uses Oxford comma 22:28:43 so would you suggest shunting it to book 2 or drumming up a new and L2 spell to replace it 22:28:44 add more necro spells imho 22:28:48 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:28:53 return of lethal infusion 22:28:55 new spells would be good of course 22:28:59 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 22:29:01 "Later, followers will gain much more powerful abilities to manipulate the 22:29:01 cards, allowing them to choose one of three drawn cards, to gain the effects of 22:29:01 multiple cards at once, and finally to stack decks and re-order their contents." 22:29:10 ??kiku randbook 22:29:10 kiku randbook[1/2]: First book: One of (Pain, Animate Skeleton); Corpse Rot; Sublimation of Blood (replaced by the other level 1 if you cannot use it); one of (Regeneration, Vampiric Draining); Control Undead. (But you will never get a spell you can't cast due to your species.) 22:29:12 ??kiku randbook[2] 22:29:13 kiku randbook[2/2]: Second book: One of (Animate Dead, Twisted Resurrection); one of (Agony, Excruciating Wounds); one of (Bolt of Draining, Simulacrum, Death Channel); Dispel Undead; and then one more of these possible spells that you didn't get already. 22:29:34 !learn edit basil[10] s/$/, new L2 necro spell to replace sublim in kiku randbook 22:29:34 Basil[10/10]: Twisted Resurrection soon maybe??, quad damage xom effect, s/arga/agra, more zermako-lethal unrands, s/Firestarter/Calris, new L2 necro spell to replace sublim in kiku randbook 22:29:38 PleasingFungus: ... and Beogh descript doesn't. 22:29:48 So no house style, I guess? 22:29:49 I guess the second book isn't in awful shape, though I think it lost something at some point? 22:29:50 I tried to bring back lethal infusion 22:30:00 but people complained that necromancer start was already too strong 22:30:04 and by people i mean gammafunk 22:30:04 death to useless commas! 22:30:13 Death, to useless commas. 22:30:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:30:18 PleasingFungus: could bring it back but not give it to Ne book 22:30:24 if that is the only issue 22:30:25 plausible 22:30:32 there are other design issues but that's what made me stop 22:30:33 but that's not really the point with infusion 22:30:35 RELENTLESS NEGATIVITY 22:30:38 so to speak 22:30:50 also could be L3 given that it was very strong at L2 before and newdraining is better than olddraining 22:31:11 tempbrands do have other issues though 22:31:11 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:19 %git 22:31:20 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-328-gfd822c7: Correct a pronoun (#8923) 10(25 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd822c750cfb 22:31:20 gammafunk: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:31:24 yeah, I had specific plans to deal with the tempbrand issue and the charms issue 22:31:38 !tell gammafunk are you really going to take that lying down 22:31:38 Basil: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 22:31:39 elliptic: It also drained you a bit when used, as a drawback. And had some other bonus (effective skill increase I think?) 22:31:53 take what lying down? I just joined the channel 22:31:53 gammafunk: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:32:10 reaverb: are you talking about lethal infusion? 22:32:22 Basil: new lethal infusion, yes. 22:32:22 oh, elliptic, I forget: where did we end up on "draining vs 1 hd creatures"? did we decide to add flat damage there? 22:32:45 I'm sort of confused 22:32:49 The one which PleasingFungus made but was never merged into Trunk. 22:32:56 ah 22:33:04 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 22:33:06 Yeah, that was confusingly phrased. 22:33:09 oh would anyone be miffed if I added op crushers to shoals zig in trunk? 22:33:14 no 22:33:16 It's a small tweak; I guess it can sit 22:33:26 sigh, anyone other than Lightli 22:33:28 Octopode gelids 22:33:31 specifically, it gave a skill boost (murderous spirits guiding your weapon!), and drained you somewhat when it wore off; the latter was (1) to make duration meaningful (2) to discourage constantly casting it in every fight (The Charms Problem); the former was to make it more useful for ne start. 22:33:33 ship it 22:33:40 spells: ice_storm; glaciate; refrig 22:33:49 gammafunk: when are you going to win for our team?? 22:33:54 and also more useful generally 22:34:02 bh: thoughts on a combo? 22:34:03 bh: have you even SEEN what he's playing 22:34:12 PleasingFungus: he's playing quitrobin, isn't he? 22:34:14 PleasingFungus: Ha, just saw torpor snails for the first time. 22:34:14 uncannily ugly putrid octopode gelid 22:34:15 gammafunk: OgAr 22:34:16 ya 22:34:19 reaverb: nice! 22:34:22 Basil: I already won that!!! 22:34:34 !greatrace og gammafunk 22:34:36 Unwon ogres for gammafunk: OgAE, OgAK, OgAM, OgAs, OgBe, OgCj, OgCK, OgDK, OgEE, OgEn, OgFE, OgFi, OgGl, OgHe, OgHu, OgIE, OgMo, OgNe, OgSk, OgSu, OgTm, OgVM, OgWn, OgWr, OgWz 22:34:41 gammafunk: GhWz, worship xom. abandon xom. take no other god. 22:34:51 ... 22:34:52 OgSu sounds up your alley 22:35:20 bh: certain members of our team have...struggled (putting it charitably) with Gh recently 22:35:35 !lg devteam gh !won 22:35:35 848. Medar the Ruffian (L4 GhAK of Lugonu), blasted by Natasha (magic dart) on D:3 on 2014-09-05 20:45:01, with 76 points after 3103 turns and 0:13:22. 22:35:39 !lg devteam gh !won -2 22:35:40 847/848. PleasingFungus the Sneak (L3 GhAs), slain by a gnoll (a +0 spear) on D:2 on 2014-09-05 04:49:21, with 33 points after 729 turns and 0:01:57. 22:35:47 !lg devteam gh !won -3 22:35:48 846/848. PleasingFungus the Ruffian (L5 GhAs), slain by Grinder on D:3 on 2014-09-05 04:47:05, with 214 points after 1917 turns and 0:06:51. 22:35:51 I wonder who 22:36:03 !lg PleasingFungus Gh-- max=xl 22:36:03 13. PleasingFungus the Brawler (L17 GhAs of Makhleb), shot by a naga sharpshooter (bolt) on Snake:5 (snake_pit_salamanders_mu) on 2014-09-05 01:14:41, with 148853 points after 31519 turns and 2:33:33. 22:36:04 !lg . !won god=Lugonu max=xl 22:36:05 180. bh the Fencer (L21 FoAK of Lugonu), blasted by an ice dragon (blast of cold) on Depths:1 (grunt_megastairs_3) on 2014-04-07 02:11:50, with 273024 points after 54361 turns and 4:05:52. 22:36:06 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:36:12 !lg . !won god=Lugonu max=xl -2 22:36:13 179/180. bh the Executioner (L18 LOAK of Lugonu), slain by an orc knight (a +0,+0 orcish scimitar) on Orc:4 (grunt_orc_garden) on 2014-01-19 18:16:14, with 209620 points after 56944 turns and 3:26:04. 22:36:14 !lm . 22:36:14 4875. [2014-09-06 01:04:15] PleasingFungus the Ticktocktomancer (L23 GhAs of Cheibriados) reached level 3 of the Crypt on turn 46660. (Crypt:3) 22:36:21 !lg . ghas 22:36:21 1. Basil the Middleweight Champion (L26 GhAs of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-26 17:44:53, with 1547712 points after 76761 turns and 3:53:09. 22:36:25 bh the executioner...apt 22:36:25 PleasingFungus: very good 22:36:32 they call me 22:36:34 the prophet 22:36:36 oh nice, he has ghas 22:36:38 !glasses 22:36:39 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:36:59 unconventional glasses usage but we'll allow it 22:37:08 So are we splatting today or tomorrow 22:37:10 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:37:57 -!- worak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:38:16 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:28 (browser plugin freaked out) 22:38:43 !send bh a real irc client 22:38:44 Sending a real irc client to bh. 22:38:45 as I was going to say -- if you have max piety with Lugonu, you basically have to be stupid to die 22:39:04 bh: let's start gw with Lugonu max piety and see how it does? 22:39:04 gammafunk: still setting up my laptop. The configuration is slightly complex 22:39:05 :) 22:39:23 Grunt: what's gw's IQ? 22:39:30 Grunt: would it know how to abyss itself? 22:39:31 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:32 gammafunk: bot 22:39:34 bh: yes 22:39:47 bh: gw already knows how to self-abyss; it just has never been in a position to do so :) 22:40:19 does gw stand for anything? 22:40:24 It stands for gw 22:40:27 g for grunt 22:40:30 oh! there's a really broken vault subvault 22:40:32 it is grunt's qw 22:40:33 johnstein: ask him what sgrunt stands for 22:40:44 The s stands for sgrunt. 22:40:46 We've been over this. 22:41:00 it has two chokepoints. If you can kill Vaults monsters one at a time you can read noise or get marked and clean the whole level 22:41:27 hrm, can you !vault it? 22:41:32 elliptic: earlier you said you have to set up some expect script to keep gw going. got an example of that? 22:41:44 johnstein: elliptic doesn't run gw; I do :) 22:41:48 oh 22:41:51 johnstein: as it happens I do have a gw expect script though! 22:41:59 gammafunk: I don't know the name 22:42:13 Grunt: woo! 22:42:13 grunt's expect script is probably better than my expect script so I am curious to see it too 22:42:13 bh: well you can look through the subvaults in the vaults.des file 22:42:22 elliptic: it's really really basic, so probably not! 22:42:23 I don't really 22:42:25 !glasses 22:42:26 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:42:26 gammafunk: will do 22:42:32 expect Grunt's script to be good 22:42:38 !vault vaults_end_classical_cross 22:42:39 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/vaults.des;hb=HEAD#l499 22:42:45 http://sprunge.us/MBbG 22:42:47 Grunt: specifically I think you are able to recover control of gw while it is running without having it save? 22:43:32 bh: is it the one Basil just linked? 22:43:54 gammafunk: yup 22:44:05 yeah I'm not sure why those shouldn't just be open 22:44:09 is gw fully automatic? some if the bots bail out to manual control when they get in trouble, right? 22:44:09 at all points 22:44:25 not only the outer rings, but also the inner ones 22:44:33 maybe LOS? 22:44:37 johnstein: I have to disable gw's logic in the rcfile to take control of it, and it does get stuck in loops sometimes. 22:44:38 hrm 22:44:45 johnstein: take full control, at least 22:44:52 well all the enemies are placed in an outside ring 22:44:57 vaults_end_bad_box 22:45:03 if the open tiles line up all the way to the center you don't have to go in as far before you can see if the rune is there 22:45:06 I can insert commands at any point, but it'll keep doing its thing. 22:45:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:18 so if you can get through that, you have a great position 22:45:23 but I think it is probably too good 22:45:30 Grunt: hm, I remember I wasn't able to set things up to let me insert commands for some reason 22:45:56 gammafunk: can you ctele directly into it or is it too full 22:46:00 grunt: so you run it in a screen or something? and then check in on it occasionally to take full control if needed? 22:46:06 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:08 my script is here btw: http://sprunge.us/cUKX 22:46:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:46:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:46:22 johnstein: I run it in tmux, and yes. 22:46:28 Basil: yeah ctele dead center should work 22:46:32 ^ yup 22:46:38 That's sort of silly 22:46:52 I think just keep all those points open in both shells 22:46:55 you can clear the entire level with basically zero risk with that strategy 22:47:02 it's still good position, and monsters may not even wander over 22:47:09 if you get marked they will 22:47:17 well no I mean 22:47:22 how do you know if it gets in a loop? or is it only by actually checking it? 22:47:27 most players don't want the entire floor converging on them no matter what anyhow 22:47:30 elliptic: the trick, I found, is to expect_background and interact (assuming it's an expect thing) 22:47:33 johnstein: elliptic solved the halting problem 22:47:37 the mark thing is an extreme case that works for some builds 22:47:54 johnstein: I have to see it happen, basically :) 22:48:00 johnstein: and then I update gw's code to not loop it 22:48:00 !lg qw 22:48:00 807. qw the Cleaver (L10 GrBe of Trog), mangled by a killer bee (kmap: david_nohive_1) on D:9 on 2014-09-04 02:09:35, with 5522 points after 9675 turns and 0:06:29. 22:48:08 I mean if you move in there (unmarked), you might still get to fight from just the point you choose, but if they've been opened, at least there's a chance monsters can flank you 22:48:10 gammafunk: sure, my character was lucky. Ds "regen on kill" mut 22:48:22 as opposed to currently, where they'd have to blink in 22:48:35 !lg gw max=dur 22:48:35 984. gw the Cleaver (L10 DDGl of Makhleb), quit the game on D:9 on 2014-09-06 02:39:00, with 5432 points after 13680 turns and 0:40:42. 22:48:48 a quit? I like this bot 22:48:51 ...that one doesn't count! It got stuck in a loop! 22:48:55 (I did the quit manually) 22:48:58 boo 22:49:06 is there a git version of the code? or just the latest rc file? if it's not obvious, I was thinking about putzing around with it 22:49:07 ^qyes, the sign of a good player 22:49:10 I've thought about setting it up to ^qyes :b 22:49:13 johnstein: gw? 22:49:16 unfr manual control, it makes the bot a hybrid :) 22:49:18 johnstein: you don't want to see gw's code 22:49:27 heh 22:49:28 johnstein: it's sanity-shattering 22:49:45 heh 22:49:46 ...but it's all done in gw's 0.15 rcfile for now 22:49:48 Grunt: I'll try out your script sometime, I literally haven't used expect for anything other than qw stuff so I don't know much about it 22:49:56 Grunt: I got a very nice artefact +2 Helmet {rc+} today called "Sour Lua" 22:50:01 elliptic: this is the only thing I have ever used expect for :) 22:50:02 Grunt: You have a brief vision of a great black cyclopean cityscape with towering stygian walls. 22:50:11 !hs qw 22:50:11 807. qw the Executioner (L27 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-22 23:33:04, with 1851235 points after 56797 turns and 0:45:16. 22:50:18 !hs gw 22:50:18 984. gw the Severer (L15 DDFi of Makhleb), blasted by Asterion (bolt of lightning) on Snake:4 on 2014-09-04 17:37:22, with 105049 points after 26288 turns and 0:21:09. 22:50:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:50:41 Basil: please roll sanity. 22:50:45 huh, gw has more games already? 22:50:47 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:51:09 gammafunk: yeah, qw has thousands of offline games though 22:51:21 ah, yeah 22:51:22 Basil: is your vision obscured by outlandish glyphs which seem to writhe squamously and alter their shape? 22:51:28 hm 22:51:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:51:35 I thought I fixed this bug already 22:52:05 !lg qw max=dur 22:52:06 807. qw the Executioner (L27 GrBe of Trog), blasted by a green draconian zealot (divine providence) on Zot:4 (lemuel_draconian_sentries_small) on 2014-08-30 23:05:13, with 604504 points after 61574 turns and 0:56:48. 22:52:08 You feel inexorably dogged by some nameless and implacable gloom. 22:52:22 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-329-gf2d9a00: Clarify !res description (8927) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2d9a00e67fb 22:52:22 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15.0-17-g10a64d4: Clarify !res description (8927) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=10a64d45673d 22:52:24 mm Doom status 22:52:37 are wq and gw totally different codes? 22:52:45 er qw 22:52:56 ??qw 22:52:56 qw[1/3]: A fully automated lua bot written by elliptic, with some code borrowed from parabolic and xw. See "!lg qw won 2" for a completely uninterrupted and unassisted win (from the 0.14 tourney). 22:53:00 ??gw 22:53:00 grunt[8/19]: The pun machine 22:53:11 ..interesting 22:53:18 misdirected entry? 22:53:18 !lg qw won 2 --log 22:53:18 No keyword '--log' 22:53:30 !lg qw won -2 --log 22:53:30 No keyword '--log' 22:53:32 q??gw 22:53:32 gw[1/1]: see {grunt[8]} 22:53:33 !lg qw won -2 -log 22:53:34 4/5. qw, XL27 GrBe, T:62247: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/qw/morgue-qw-20140901-230727.txt 22:53:43 !lg qw won 2 -log 22:53:44 2/5. qw, XL27 GrBe, T:65809: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/qw/morgue-qw-20140422-085752.txt 22:53:47 A better gw entry is welcome! 22:53:51 (I'm not sure who added that redirect) 22:54:00 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54:14 PleasingFungus: about draining on 1 HD creatures, maybe adding a small amount of flat damage (like 1-2 or something) would be good, yeah... also probably the current flat damage (2-4) could be decreased in general (maybe to 1-2 or 1-3) 22:54:21 hm qw is doing pretty well with this migl 22:54:26 er 22:54:26 gw 22:54:30 -!- zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:34 qw-references deactivated 22:54:44 Grunt: I added the redirect to try to get someone to write a real gw entry 22:54:51 so good luck with that 22:55:07 !learn set gw[1] http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/gw.rc 22:55:07 gw[1/1]: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/gw.rc 22:55:19 wow 22:55:20 gw: A hasted ...rune executioner? needs work 22:55:25 I successfully reproduced that link from memory. 22:55:34 &rc gw 0.15 22:55:35 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/gw.rc 22:55:59 ideally I'd want gw's entries to reflect gw-tactics <_< 22:56:00 I really need to change &rc to be smart about version sometime 22:56:03 -!- Stoats has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:56:03 ??xw[2 22:56:04 xw[2/3]: ah, xw is trying to eat a wand of disintegration 22:56:13 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:25 then the entry could just be "do {&rc gw}" 22:56:44 oh this looks great 22:56:55 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:04 heh, I love the monster speed checks 22:57:17 I'm going to do a save backup to id that vault 22:57:24 because it's obviously badly written 22:58:03 doh 22:58:06 I forgot to grab the link. 22:58:07 johnstein: help 22:58:16 Grunt: make gw detect that it's in profane halls and make a cute level annotation imo 22:58:30 Grunt: can't you just wait for gw to die and then look at the morgue 22:58:34 oh 22:58:50 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0/20140825202822]] 22:58:51 It's dead already, so... 22:59:08 Killed from afar by an orc priest (9 damage) 22:59:08 ... with a wand of fire 22:59:24 looks like it's one of the serial_bayou vaults 22:59:27 (fr remove those?) 22:59:27 Grunt: ? 22:59:33 johnstein: never mind :) 22:59:39 !send help grunt 22:59:39 Sending grunt to help. 22:59:44 doh 22:59:45 johnstein: I was going to get you to grab the save backup link for gw's save backup 22:59:49 !vault serial_bayou 22:59:50 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/serial/bayou.des;hb=HEAD#l9 22:59:50 johnstein: but I don't need it any more 22:59:58 ah ok 23:00:04 kind of amazes me how little code there actually is in this bot 23:00:27 ??gw 23:00:27 gw[1/1]: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.15/gw.rc 23:00:44 elliptic: there's a "sorry elliptic" in there somewhere if you look for it 23:01:07 (I think that comment's not completely accurate any more either) 23:01:21 no need to apologize for stealing code from qw :P 23:01:49 * Grunt makes a minor adjustment. 23:02:37 Basically a lot of the support code is variously from qw and xw, but the ~*~*~tactics~*~*~ are mostly my own creation. 23:02:56 ah, those he gleaned from HuAr I'm guessing... 23:02:59 Especially evaluate_squares, fight, move_to_goodpos 23:03:16 (well, move_to_goodpos is not really anything special) 23:04:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04:44 yeah, qw doesn't have much in the way of looking at terrain and choosing places to move to 23:04:46 oh there is a you.breath_timeout 23:04:52 I can do gw-naga!!! 23:04:56 (or gw-draconian more) 23:05:08 the most complicated thing qw has is some anti-glass code I think 23:05:37 I was thinking of trying NaBe on qw at some point 23:08:14 anti-glass 23:08:17 gw could use something like that 23:08:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:20 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:13:08 gw-poisonspit activated 23:13:15 oh wo 23:13:16 w 23:13:19 great poisonwormkiting 23:14:59 wow gw is actually pretty good with this 23:15:19 !lg gw max=sc 23:15:19 993. gw the Severer (L15 DDFi of Makhleb), blasted by Asterion (bolt of lightning) on Snake:4 on 2014-09-04 17:37:22, with 105049 points after 26288 turns and 0:21:09. 23:15:51 Grunt: btw, lua to know monster resists would be useful too in addition to the monster speed thing 23:16:09 elliptic: yes 23:16:18 Grunt: what server is he playing on? 23:16:22 cbro 23:16:42 good bee tactics there 23:16:50 gw-tactics activated 23:17:06 -!- nico- has quit [Quit: .] 23:17:18 what on earth was it doing with those wights? 23:17:25 bh: ~*~*~tactics~*~*~ 23:17:30 kiting them with poison spit 23:17:30 bh: you obviously haven't watched gw before 23:17:37 but then it got tired and killed them 23:17:46 what is happening here 23:17:54 o_o 23:17:56 I don't understand 23:18:01 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 23:18:06 gw can't handle mushrooms, it seems... 23:18:12 how was the wandering mushroom not killing it though 23:18:13 oh 23:18:15 I bet I know 23:18:23 hm? 23:18:23 they lose HD when they hit things 23:18:38 ah, so it's a 1HD mushroom? 23:18:40 and now losing HD affects melee damage too I guess? 23:18:55 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(4), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 23:18:55 %??wandering mushroom hd:1 23:19:03 that dam is incorrect 23:19:07 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 313 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 23:19:07 %??wandering mushroom 23:19:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:30 as I understand it, once HD has been reduced to 1 it has Dam: 2.5 23:19:44 AC: 21 23:19:49 &dump gw 23:19:49 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gw/gw.txt 23:20:02 r - +10 ring mail "Pnerug" {SInv} 23:20:05 maybe I'm wrong but it seems like mushrooms might easily have been accidentally nerfed by the draining stuff? 23:20:13 elliptic: maybe? 23:20:26 I don't have another explanation for how gw survived standing next to a mushroom for like 100 turns 23:20:49 So mushrooms don't die after hitting 7 times now? 23:20:57 wow gw is astonishingly good at this 23:21:33 Grunt: whoa... we should make BOTS PLAY CRAWL where a bunch of bots control a single character 23:21:36 does gw have state? 23:21:54 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:02 In a sense; it has a bunch of booleans that control what behaviour it's following :b 23:22:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:16 yeah, I'm not sure what is going on with mushrooms exactly but I replicated that gw behavior easily by letting a mushroom hit me in wizmode 23:22:16 bool FLEEEEING 23:22:26 why is it using a quaterstaff? 23:22:31 Basil: flee_count is a number in wizmode :) 23:22:34 bh: because I told it to 23:22:55 mmmmm it might get maxpiety 23:23:14 Grunt: I hope it knows to upgrade to lajatang if it gets one from oka 23:23:18 elliptic: it does! 23:23:39 good finesse :) 23:23:41 um 23:23:56 so this is what wizmode tells me about a mushroom that has been hitting me for a while 23:24:05 HD=1/-14 (0) 23:24:08 ...... 23:24:14 yeah that seems bad 23:24:37 wow 23:24:45 how did gw live through that 23:24:54 did I miss something good 23:25:06 I should wait to investigate this gw-bug 23:25:10 It backed into a corner with a pack of yaks and elephants 23:25:16 gw-bugs deactivated? 23:25:28 oh nice, it survived to constriction 23:25:37 (I added wandering mushrooms to a force_fight setting I normally use for ballistomycetes) 23:25:42 gw is clearly better at this than me 23:25:45 (so after this game it should handle mushrooms better) 23:25:52 !learn add gw gw is clearly better at this than me 23:25:53 gw[2/2]: gw is clearly better at this than me 23:26:13 Grunt: I'm surprised you needed anything special for wandering mushrooms, qw has no mushroom-specific code 23:26:32 elliptic: gw relies on feel_safe or whatever the right name for it is which interacts odly with mushrooms 23:26:35 *oddly 23:26:54 oh no 23:27:00 rip 23:27:01 :( 23:27:02 rop 23:27:07 *rip 23:27:21 <|amethyst> elliptic: if (attkmon->get_hit_dice() <= 0) 23:27:25 <|amethyst> elliptic: that can't be true 23:27:45 <|amethyst> elliptic: because the last thing get_hit_dice does is return max(base_hd - drain_ench.degree, 1); 23:27:47 ??shadow form 23:27:48 shadow form[1/3]: Dithmenos' 5* ability - for some skill drain, MP, and piety, you turn invisible for the duration (without glow), gain rTorment, rRot, rN+++, rPois+++, immunity to hostile enchantments, and 50% damage reduction, but you also deal only 50% melee damage and get two spell anti-enhancer levels. 23:28:42 gw is still gw's worst enemy I see 23:29:08 I should teach gw to use poison spit in melee 23:29:25 actually I'll need to do that if ever it ends up doing a mottled draconian 23:29:36 (gw-draconians activated??) 23:29:38 Grunt: can you make it play faster? 23:29:51 bh: I can; I'm just not doing so to spare the server :) 23:29:57 bh: see THROTTLE and THROTTLE_DELAY 23:30:27 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus how is spore self-draining supposed to work? because right now it produces things like HD=1/-14 (it checks get_hit_dice <= 0 but that can never be true) 23:30:27 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 23:31:05 |amethyst: spore or mushroom? 23:31:16 <|amethyst> AF_SPORE I mean 23:31:17 does he not open runed doors? 23:31:24 mm 23:31:33 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus AF_SPORE I mean, on wandering mushrooms 23:31:33 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 23:31:42 Maybe set it to get_hit_dice < 1 ? 23:31:56 <|amethyst> that's the same thing 23:32:09 hmm 23:32:23 <|amethyst> my inclination is to use get_experience_level <= 1 23:32:25 weird 23:32:26 sure 23:32:36 <|amethyst> I *think* PF intended that draining them would make them suicide earlier 23:33:13 <|amethyst> which would probably require a flag to get_hit_dice to say "don't floor this at 1" 23:33:25 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:25 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:29 mumra!!! 23:33:33 hey hey 23:33:38 he lives! 23:33:43 I narrowly missed your last visit! :( 23:33:53 (and it is tournament time and we are all being amused by gw) 23:33:56 haha 23:34:00 oh shit tourney 23:34:20 hi mumra 23:34:26 i can splat literally 20 times in the next hour 23:34:34 am quite durnk 23:34:37 Hellow murma! 23:34:37 mumra: do it! 23:34:45 s/Hellow/Hello/ 23:34:50 mumra: get |amethyst to add you to baddevteam? :) 23:34:58 (The English gent is drunk in the wee hours of Saturday... what a surprise!) 23:35:04 there's still a baddevteam!! 23:35:14 there are two 23:35:23 i think i'm partially responsible for that existing :P 23:35:31 me, gamma, wheals // dpeg, ???, grunt? 23:35:41 I'm not a baddev in that sense!!!! 23:35:41 i'm a very bad dev 23:35:42 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:48 i just got sacked from my job 23:35:48 I am a greaterplayer!!!!! 23:35:52 :( 23:36:16 hm let's see if gw lives long enough to get a breath weapon 23:36:28 nope 23:36:28 rip 23:36:44 uh? he's not dead 23:36:47 1learn add gw let's see if gw lives long enough to nope 23:36:51 !lg baddevteam 23:36:51 No games for baddevteam. 23:36:55 bh: the game I was watching ended already <_< 23:36:55 mm 23:37:00 bh: so it started another one! 23:37:03 bh: He died, is already level 2 again. 23:37:08 3 23:37:10 not 2 23:37:30 http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-gw who am I watching? 23:37:37 Grunt: maybe you should set up your own server 23:37:41 where you can run gw unthrottled 23:37:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:46 Segwell 23:37:47 <3 23:37:48 zoom 23:37:58 PleasingFungus: I'm teaching gw new tricks 23:38:15 NEW TRICKS 23:38:15 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:38:26 gw actually plays fast enough to lag webtiles 23:38:27 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:38:27 interesting 23:38:31 -!- rast- is now known as rast 23:38:41 not hard.... 23:38:45 dang 23:38:49 aw 23:38:49 how strong are player draconian breath weapons at XL27 anyways? 23:38:52 it missed the oss portal 23:39:12 noooooo 23:39:14 so close 23:39:15 and then died 23:39:34 1learn add gw noooooo 23:39:43 AT_SPORE, AF_CONFUSE 23:39:47 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:57 * Grunt explodes! You are confused. 23:40:00 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:40:01 |amethyst: what I'm confused about by this bug is why it doesn't divide by 0 and crash when HD is at exactly 0 23:40:25 good gnoll tactics 23:40:26 since it looks to me like div_rand_round(something, 0) should segfault? 23:40:40 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:49 also, I don't think I had particular plans for the interaction of mushrooms and draining 23:40:56 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:57 oh 23:41:10 sort of 23:41:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:41:35 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:46 ouch 23:42:29 ah, I broke that code when I made other draining changes 23:42:31 hm 23:42:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:17 why is gw using a qstaff 23:43:23 I... might have meant for draining to cause wandering mushrooms to suicide earlier? but idk if that's an especially valuable behavior to get working... 23:43:24 Because I told it to. 23:43:26 anyway now we know that negative HD monsters don't do much damage 23:43:35 1learn add trivia 23:43:39 wait, HD affects monster damage now? 23:43:47 it shouldn't 23:44:03 PleasingFungus: simplest change is certainly to just use get_experience_level() <= 0 instead of get_hit_dice() <= 0 in the AT_SPORE stuff 23:44:07 yes 23:44:22 I am trying to decide if I care enough about the draining thing to get that working 23:44:24 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:44:25 leaning towards no 23:44:31 -!- rast--- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:33 but fedhas 23:44:36 -!- rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:43 draining doesn't even work on mushrooms, right? 23:44:47 um. hm. 23:44:49 good question. 23:44:52 probably not? 23:44:57 -!- vfoley- has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 23:45:03 -!- valrus has quit [Client Quit] 23:45:20 (since they are plants) 23:45:33 ya 23:45:48 wow 23:45:52 oh 23:45:58 it doesn't know how to use lightning breath 23:45:59 gw killing worms by kiting them with stones 23:46:12 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:46:13 does anyone understand why it doesn't currently segfault though? 23:46:17 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:23 for monsters with HD 0 23:46:23 what's the strongest breath for a player drac, lightning? 23:46:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:37 what line do you expect to cause a segfault? 23:46:39 -!- rast--- is now known as rast 23:46:43 Lightli: steam 23:46:57 ??pale draconian 23:46:58 pale draconian[1/1]: A form of draconians that is able to breathe steam. Player character gets +1 aptitude in Air and Fire magic, +1 aptitude in evocations, and steam resistance. 23:47:02 ??steam 23:47:02 steam[1/1]: Does 3-16 damage and (more importantly) obscures LOS. Used by smoke demons, steam dragons and pale draconians, and caused by fire attacks passing over water. Damage is completely negated by rF+, steam dragon armours, or being a pale draconian. 23:47:04 oh 23:47:15 <|amethyst> elliptic: get_hit_dice() can never return 0 23:47:17 I never use fog scrolls ever so yeah 23:47:20 attk_damage = div_rand_round(mon_attk.damage 23:47:20 * attacker->get_hit_dice(), 23:47:20 attacker->get_experience_level()); 23:47:25 <|amethyst> ah 23:47:43 that should be something like div_rand_round(20, 0) 23:47:47 <|amethyst> hm, good question 23:48:13 What does num % 0 give? 23:48:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: because that's in a conditional 23:48:29 <|amethyst> elliptic: if (attacker->get_experience_level() == 0) attk_damage = mon_attk.damage 23:48:42 <|amethyst> elliptic: and the line you quoted is in the else 23:48:48 yeah that caused segfaults a month or two ago, before |amethyst added the conditional 23:48:50 oh right 23:48:58 because sometimes that occurs even without mushrooms (per comment) 23:49:09 does it actually cause segfault for any other monsters? I didn't realize HD 0 was possible 23:49:22 <|amethyst> HD 0 shouldn't be possible for normal monsters 23:49:24 oh attacker might not be a real monster 23:49:29 <|amethyst> I added that for YOU_FAULTLESS 23:49:29 ya 23:49:30 okay makes sense now 23:50:15 I don't know what YOU_FAULTLESS is but the fact that it returns true to is_monster() is a bit disturbing :P 23:50:26 elliptic: you monster! 23:51:37 oh good it can use its lightning breath :) 23:52:12 rip 23:52:18 such a noble death 23:52:26 I'll hang it up for the evening after this last game 23:52:38 gw-SIGINT activated 23:53:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-330-gcc2d852: Fix mushroom suicide (elliptic, |amethyst) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc2d8528ce81 23:53:19 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15.0-18-g9076a4f: Fix mushroom suicide (elliptic, |amethyst) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9076a4f72281 23:54:24 gw-acidtrip activated 23:54:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'm kind of tempted to have set_hit_dice auto-suicide when new_hit_dice is 0 23:54:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not for 0.15 though 23:54:46 probably a decent idea 23:55:05 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:11 that or have it trigger an assert, and make the mushroom code check if hd will be 0 and kill itself before setting hd 23:55:32 <|amethyst> even better 23:55:36 -!- Harkenn has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:58 rip gw 23:57:04 gw-games deactivated (for the evening) 23:57:54 !lg * t rip !mu !vp !gh status!~~lich !d:1 !d:2 !temple s=name 23:57:55 16337 games for * (t rip !mu !vp !gh status!~~lich !d:1 !d:2 !temple): 554x gw, 499x rodofangel, 207x silentsnack, 128x Trashface, 122x Roarke, 116x qw, 103x spelunker, 95x DeeEhm, 83x tlatlagkaus, 82x hurafacha, 82x Kaiser, 79x zercules, 79x raskol, 78x DirkDiggler, 73x cerealjynx, 73x gammafunk, 72x rw, 72x IPCA, 72x perunasaurus, 72x bigpimpin, 71x Nazgul, 69x Sharkman1231, 68x gcw2014, 67x Kom... 23:58:25 Brute Force: leave at least 500 ghosts during the tournament 23:59:08 gw is in second place for most deaths to uniques too 23:59:25 there's someone with more deaths to uniques? 23:59:32 gw's eternal nemesis