00:00:07 great for players generally, bad for elves 00:00:26 (generally) 00:00:49 gammafunk: who's that player 00:01:11 I'd say really most melee, any mage with f/pcloud 00:01:17 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15.0-12-gccce430 00:01:20 there are chambers with doors all along it 00:01:39 but the elves will be happy to line up in that death passage 00:01:51 just think it should be at least two-tile wide or something 00:03:09 -!- Chris7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:03:24 -!- espressodan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:24 well even without the death corridor a lot of people just dig out a killhole just outside the vault entrance 00:03:50 yeah, and unless he's using stone a lot, that'd still be a thing 00:04:25 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-321-g9a421ca (34) 00:04:45 not really sure, we could prevent this on elf:3 in general by using stone 00:04:52 instead of that hateful rainbow rock 00:05:15 gammafunk: what I don't like about elf is that all the monsters are basically identical for three full levels 00:05:56 yeah, the differentiation amongs the low-levels is not terrific 00:06:03 er low-level enemies 00:06:04 the combination of that making it unfun and the fact that most characters who can clear it safely don't need to do so mean that I don't go there much 00:06:17 gammafunk: even the high-level elves are more of the same 00:06:31 well of the high levels, which do you think are good enemies? 00:06:33 just do the ugly thing buff to elf 00:06:42 and give it a rune 00:07:04 gammafunk: blademaster is at least a bit different from the others 00:07:44 all the others are still squishy normal-speed no-resists guys with spells 00:08:06 yeah, esp. sorcerers stand out is jack-of-all-trades wrt spells 00:08:20 sorcerers at least have haste 00:08:45 but anyway I think the whole concept of populating a branch entirely with elves is just flawed 00:08:50 -1 to elf getting a rune 00:09:03 Orc is essentially enough of that? 00:09:09 populating a branch with one species, I mean 00:09:20 yeah, and orc does a better job of it 00:09:26 doy: even if you had to go through as many demonologists as there are summoners right now? anyway it wasn't a completely serious suggestion 00:09:29 I guess the lair branches have a wider set of enemies, perhaps spider is also weak there 00:09:32 not completely unserious either tho 00:09:39 since some of them have good AC and melee, whereas others have spells and low AC 00:10:05 gammafunk: spider at least mixes up resists a bit 00:10:18 demonic crawler, emperor scorpion, etc 00:10:34 clearly give deep elf high priests rhellfire again 00:10:40 emperor scorpion (15s) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 101-137 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 3008(poison:28-56), 15, 15 | Res: 06magic(56), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1627 | Sz: Giant | Int: insect. 00:10:40 %??emperor scorpion 00:10:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:47 by resists I'm including AC, btw 00:11:03 yeah 00:11:31 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:11:50 I guess the other reason why orc works better than elf is that you go there earlier (often substantially earlier), so you have fewer tools at your disposal 00:12:25 whereas for elf you often just choose your anti-elf spell or strategy and just use that 00:12:35 remove elf, replace it with a wizard academy branch with caster variants of lots of different species, and high wizlab generation chance 00:12:55 well that'd kind of be the same problem 00:12:55 doy: that sounds cool 00:13:15 I mean I guess if you mix up the resists/ac a lot, like elliptic was saying 00:13:26 spellcaster-centric still isn't ideal, but it gives you room to mix up defenses more at least, yeah 00:13:53 thematically it's maybe a bit weird to have it in orc, not that this really prevents anything 00:13:59 it could be moved elsewhere 00:14:35 it could take blade's place in V, say (rip blade) 00:14:41 the location of an advanced branch in an easy one makes some neat routing strategies possible 00:14:55 if you have mr for elf currently, you can take on some risk and do it earlier I guess 00:15:13 the importance of MR for elf is way overrated IMO 00:15:29 it's pretty much only necessary for banishment 00:15:38 I'm more afraid of that annihilator or sorcerer hellfire or whatever 00:15:57 -!- Guest6192 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:16 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-321-g9a421ca (34) 00:16:54 sorcerers having hellfire is also kinda weird, and not that great 00:17:05 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER] 00:17:09 well aside from locking up another branch in vaults, a thematic rework with a better enemy set sounds nice; I don't personally feel strongly on the interaction with runelock, but others certainly will 00:19:04 and of course we want to have ontoclasm design tiles for an entire new set of enemies, because he's just not busy enough 00:19:34 i kinda think that hellfire and torment just shouldn't be castable except by demons 00:19:44 it dilutes the interestingness of the mechanic otherwise 00:20:47 hellfametounge, the lesser version of hellfire, for mortal enemies? 00:20:51 *hellflametounge 00:20:59 :C 00:20:59 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:09 and it's often used as a "let's make this enemy harder" tweak that doesn't require much thought 00:21:10 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:21:53 doy: you'd inlclude mummies in that list of things that shouldn't cast torment? 00:22:20 torment could be demon/undead, i suppose 00:22:32 since that's how the resistances currently work too 00:23:06 gammafunk: as long as it's the Platonic Solid Monster 00:23:13 haha 00:23:43 A Magic Sphere comes into view. A Melee Spere comes into view. An Archer Sphere comes into view. 00:24:17 "This monster is a twisting impossiblity of constantly-shifting tears in the fabric of reality, through which shine colors beyond human imagining. Your mind cannot comprehend it so it's represented here by an orange square." 00:24:52 Elf being in orc is definitely more interesting than elf+ being in vaults, irrespective of whether elf+ > elf 00:24:56 wow this tele trap 00:25:39 doy: add a 4 that casts hellfire and have it spawn somewhere in the normal game 00:25:44 oops wrong channel 00:25:46 the orcs mined deep and found the hidden location to the Master School of Magic 00:25:51 maybe orc could just generate additional entrances to random other branches 00:25:54 mini hellion -> minion 00:26:02 add some nontrivial connectivity to the dungeon graph 00:26:22 you see here a one-way portal to Crypt 00:26:23 right now elf is the only one that that would be interesting for, except maybe crypt (but proabbly not) 00:26:42 rchandra: zot~ 00:26:59 you need 3 runes to enter this place! 00:27:29 no no, it's a secret shortcut 00:27:48 that's why both elves and dracs have annihilators 00:28:11 kobolds could use one with stone arrow 00:28:33 :3 kobold annihilator 00:28:49 stone arrow, throw flame, sting 00:29:48 Unknown spell name: 'stone arrow,' in 'stone_arrow,' 00:29:48 %??kobold demonologist spells:stone_arrow, throw_flame, sting 00:30:11 -!- joy199 is now known as joy1999 00:31:07 kobold demonologist (06K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-52 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 371 | Sp: stone arrow (3d12), throw flame (3d6), sting (d8) | Sz: small | Int: high. 00:31:07 %??kobold demonologist spells:stone_arrow;throw_flame;sting 00:31:43 kobold demonologist (06K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-52 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 371 | Sp: sandblast (3d6), throw flame (3d6), sting (d8) | Sz: small | Int: high. 00:31:43 %??kobold demonologist spells:sandblast;throw_flame;sting 00:32:03 new unique imo 00:32:16 Mitsy, the Kobold Annihilator 00:33:26 no uniques begin with Q, Y, or Z 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(+). 10:10:06 Stealth, on the other hand, is increased through skill & stats, which are more discrete... 10:13:39 ?but is it as discrete as a dct? 10:13:43 now there's a good question 10:13:49 ? 10:14:02 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:52 idk, given it's calculatable/non-randomized, it might make sense just to use the wizmode display, "57 (fairly stealthy)" or w/e. 10:15:15 (I'm just messing with you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_cosine_transform ) 10:15:24 whatever happened to that vampire overhaul proposal 10:15:35 bloax was hit by a bus and killed. 10:15:40 ironically, he then rose as a vampire. 10:16:06 <|amethyst> I will quote @crawlcode 10:16:06 <|amethyst> "mprf(MSGCH_GOD, old_god, "You sense decay."); // in the state of Denmark" 10:16:06 but lost all interest in doing anything other than sucking your blood. and he's behind you... right now!!! 10:16:07 i dunno, the number probably isn't too useful 10:16:12 i don't think showing arbitrary numbers like that is that great of an idea 10:16:16 yeah 10:16:18 fortunately i now thrive on the passive decay of insect life force 10:16:20 what doy said 10:16:31 !seen bloax 10:16:31 I last saw Bloax at Mon Sep 1 15:16:18 2014 UTC (13s ago) saying 'fortunately i now thrive on the passive decay of insect life force' on ##crawl-dev. 10:16:35 oh 10:16:37 whew 10:16:53 the reason I'd like it is not that the specific number is useful, but to show players that it does increase steadily over time 10:16:55 probably we should just make sure the words form a sensible and clear without spoilers progression 10:17:04 which is hard to do, admittedly 10:17:05 er, time isn't right. with skills/stats... 10:17:34 the difference between 10 and 11 ev is not significant, but imagine if players were "not at all evasive", "hardly evasive", "fairly evasive"... 10:17:45 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:00 and how misleading that would be re: the benefits of investing in dodging, light armour, ev rings, etc 10:18:08 (since players would only see a difference when they crossed a word boundary) 10:18:12 i think a 10-step bar was suggested 10:18:23 this is I think a fundamental problem with the word/bar strategy 10:18:43 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=184791#p184791 imagine that 10:18:48 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:19:30 Why not just display the word and at the end of it display (Stlth[*x*]) 10:19:35 er 10:19:43 that's a "+" and not a "x" 10:19:55 Bloax: that is the suggestion I began this with :) 10:19:57 that's what happens when you sleep two hours 10:20:18 um 10:20:20 well it would give a more tangible sense to Stlth+ 10:20:20 wait 10:20:27 nvm, you're suggesting word + bar 10:20:30 which seems kind of pointless 10:20:51 You are extremely stealthy. (Stlth++++++) 10:21:24 imho stlth +++++. also indicates that pretty well 10:21:27 without need for a word 10:21:32 but words are fancy 10:21:41 we still have words for mr... 10:21:53 and people have long since been bitching about oversterilization 10:23:43 -!- rkd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:47 I honestly forgot we still had words for mr 10:24:49 also 10:24:52 "oversterilization" 10:25:03 yes, the incredible romance and sexiness of "stealth words" 10:25:24 this is nearly as great a threat to crawl as the loss of grey elves! 10:25:31 or perhaps hill dwarves 10:25:47 every thing is made up of a lot of smaller things 10:26:41 imho 10:27:00 crawl becomes sexier by removing bad/boring flavor 10:27:05 and allowing players to focus on the good stuff 10:27:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140830030204]] 10:28:19 it's like cutting unpretty bits off a steak 10:28:31 it makes the entire beef prettier on average 10:28:34 but there's still less beef 10:29:10 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:29:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:32 Bloax: So is the vampire overhaul dead? 10:29:39 rip vampires 10:29:41 Lightli: not really 10:29:45 oh 10:29:47 it's just on a little hiatus 10:29:50 k 10:29:52 because everyone is a-tourneying 10:31:53 it's still available on DBRO 10:32:09 well it's not updated yet! 10:32:27 which is important to make it less stab/bat oriented 10:36:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:25 -!- Miauw has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:00 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:55 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:08 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:25 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:24 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:05 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:14 -!- Stoats has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:06:50 -!- Miauw_ is now known as Miauw 11:22:42 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:24:31 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:40 -!- serious has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:27:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:31 -!- frogor has quit [Quit: Gone!] 11:31:49 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:51 -!- MrPlanck_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:41:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:45:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:45:43 xnavy (L25 TrMo) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 226 failed. (Vaults:5) 11:47:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:53:17 -!- alchemist_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:55:58 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:02 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren 12:01:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:24 hmmm 12:04:39 why is this randart in an antique shop identified 12:05:19 oh, is it an unrand 12:05:22 maybe that's it 12:05:26 what's the name? 12:05:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-321-g9a421ca (34) 12:05:27 still seems odd though 12:05:36 the +2 hat of the High Council {Archmagi, Wiz- Stlth-} 12:05:38 yep 12:05:40 unrand 12:05:48 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:48 ID'd, just as if you'd found it on the ground 12:06:34 huh, crabs are mindless 12:06:36 it's confusing as to why some things are identified and others aren't though 12:06:45 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:07:02 there's no indication why that would be different from the "distressingly furry hat" also in the same shop 12:07:23 maybe unrands shouldn't generate in antique shops 12:07:26 unless you examine it 12:07:26 there is; it's identified :P 12:07:29 in which case it has a unique description 12:07:44 imho examining things is a good way to clear up confusion 12:07:51 who does that though 12:07:53 d: 12:07:56 no one 12:08:09 seems roughly the same as an identified potion in an antique shop, at least 12:08:22 wheals: not really, you've seen the potion before 12:08:46 maybe they show you pictures of all the unrands in Adventurer School 12:09:36 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:13 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:13:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:14:54 they psychically shout their identity at you 12:15:04 which is also why the singing sword sucks: that's *all* it does :p 12:15:59 -!- foophykins 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ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:31:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:33:30 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:40 -!- espressodan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:08 -!- espressodan has quit [Client Quit] 13:39:12 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:40:33 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:34 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:40:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:16 it seems a bit funny that you can pacify demons and the undead, but not plants 13:42:48 wheals: mindless 13:43:03 thorn hunter (16f) | Spd: 12 (swim: 120%) | HD: 15 | HP: 80-118 | AC/EV: 9/9 | Dam: 27, 23 | 03plant, amphibious, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2122 | Sp: v.thorns (3d18), w.brambles | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 13:43:03 %??thorn hunter 13:43:08 or are there non-mindless plants, hm 13:43:10 this claims animal 13:43:27 obviously pacifying firewood is bad, too :P 13:43:56 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 313 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 13:43:56 %??wandering mushroom 13:44:05 IMO change plants to have "Int: plant" 13:44:20 that would solve this issue :P 13:44:24 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:48 !source is_pacifiable 13:44:49 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-goditem.cc;hb=HEAD#l74 13:45:39 wow, returns 0 for "true" 13:46:07 plant (03P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-70 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 13:46:07 %??plant 13:46:23 dryad (09R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 38-65 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 10 | spellcaster | Res: 06magic(74) | Vul: 04fire | XP: 352 | Sp: awaken vines, awaken forest, 04esc:minor healing (2d4) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:46:23 %??dryad 13:46:35 rip dryads 13:46:39 oh, they're natural 13:46:47 shambling mangrove (04f) | Spd: 8 | HD: 13 | HP: 76-107 | AC/EV: 13/3 | Dam: 41 | 03plant, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 942 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 13:46:47 %??shambling mangrove 13:46:49 (yes I know they're still around from Summon Forest) 13:47:21 and that's intelligent, but it would probably be fine for it to be mindless 13:47:39 "shambling" made me think it was mindless, at least 13:47:53 monster intelligence doesn't really affect much other than pacification 13:47:58 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:35 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:49:33 perunasaurus (L17 VpFE) ASSERT(blood.sub_type == POT_BLOOD_COAGULATED) in 'rot.cc' at line 596 failed. (Elf:3) 13:49:50 damn it 13:50:06 if I splat clearing elf:3 again you owe me on xl17 VpFE 13:54:22 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:58:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:57 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:59:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:59:53 -!- frobop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00:30 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:10 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:26 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:05:41 -!- rkd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:07:32 !crash . 14:07:33 10. perunasaurus, XL17 VpFE, T:52597 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.15/perunasaurus/crash-perunasaurus-20140901-184934.txt 14:08:47 that will teach you to blood acquirement 14:10:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: ProzacElf] 14:10:07 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:10:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:28 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:42 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:15 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:09 I acquire what I want! 14:18:39 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:14 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:48 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:37 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27:47 -!- gutt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27:59 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:48 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:35 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:15 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:03 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:43 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:26 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:50 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:56:44 fr: special messages for song of slaying during berserk 14:57:08 possibly involving electric guitars 14:59:08 ...shredding?... 15:03:57 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:04:22 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:09:37 You rock the orc's world!!! 15:10:40 good one 15:11:19 <|amethyst> Now I shall reign in blood! 15:11:43 <|amethyst> It is song of *slay*ing after all 15:12:43 ...abyss messages all from "Seasons in the Abyss"? 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16:38:07 <|amethyst> rax: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host 16:38:18 huh 16:38:20 no but I'll look 16:38:27 may be somewhat hard to look without SSH 16:38:27 <|amethyst> web etc appear to be fine 16:38:30 <|amethyst> :) 16:38:56 <|amethyst> clearly you just need to find a security hole in apache and use that to get a root shell 16:39:03 I was able to ssh in as me no problem 16:39:06 <|amethyst> hm 16:39:11 <|amethyst> oh 16:39:14 <|amethyst> and now I can too 16:39:16 and as joshua 16:39:35 <|amethyst> mysteries :) 16:40:08 are you 64.201.134.29? 16:40:16 -!- lorinal has quit [] 16:40:20 <|amethyst> no, 96.29.247.235 16:40:24 <|amethyst> wait 16:40:34 <|amethyst> no, not that one 16:40:53 <|amethyst> I also tried from cszo and from a machine in 128.163 16:40:55 ah ssh is hosed because that person is trying to break in 16:41:16 I bet there's an easy way to just IP ban them 16:41:45 blackhole! 16:41:51 <_< 16:42:02 <|amethyst> iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --src 64.201.134.29 -j DROP 16:42:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:12 I had just found that thank you :) 16:42:12 What |amethyst said. :) 16:42:41 need to apt-get install iptables and we should be good 16:42:44 shocked we hadn't needed it before 16:42:58 The fact that that's not part of a default install shocks me. :( 16:43:01 <|amethyst> I've only used it once on cszo 16:43:36 done 16:43:39 that should fix it hopefully 16:44:16 <|amethyst> Grunt: maybe everyone's supposed to use nft these days 16:44:54 rip 16:47:41 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:47:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:03 !send PleasingFungus gw 16:48:03 Sending gw to PleasingFungus. 16:48:31 like watching a baby grunt 16:49:05 <|amethyst> they do that a lot 16:49:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49:38 PleasingFungus: gw doesn't know the subtle art of pun-ishment yet 16:49:38 :( 16:49:53 fr 16:49:58 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:12 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:22 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59:52 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:19 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:02:24 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:21 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:55 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:16 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:37 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:38 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:37 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-321-g9a421ca (34) 17:13:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:14:53 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:25 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:57 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:04 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:05 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:07 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:04 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:19 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:23 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22:32 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:39 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 17:24:43 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:22 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:02 MrPlanck (L24 VpAs) ASSERT(blood.sub_type == POT_BLOOD_COAGULATED) in 'rot.cc' at line 596 failed. 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MrPlanck, XL24 VpAs, T:68353 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/MrPlanck/crash-MrPlanck-20140901-223258.txt 17:44:39 okay maybe I should actually see if I can figure out why blood acq is crashing 17:47:04 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:54:21 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:55:09 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-322-g7f49916: Remove worldbinder out-of-LOS message spam (ontoclasm) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f49916fe3f4 17:55:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15.0-13-gb296d5c: Remove worldbinder out-of-LOS message spam (ontoclasm) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b296d5cdef9c 18:00:26 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02:50 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 18:03:42 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:07:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:08:14 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:08:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:10:28 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:12:45 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:13:22 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:18:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:12 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:16 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:20:06 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten.] 18:22:22 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:23:30 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:34 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:35 -!- foophykins has quit [Client Quit] 18:28:07 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:34:42 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:40:29 ??gw 18:40:29 grunt[8/19]: The pun machine 18:45:42 -!- stanzglotza has quit [Quit: nachtli] 18:52:48 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: ac13] 19:03:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140901091008]] 19:06:41 elliptic, is there a way in clua currently to get a monster's speed (especially in a way that can be related to player speed)? As far as I can tell there isn't, but perhaps you would know :) 19:08:15 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 19:15:22 Grunt: I don't think so, I guess we could let clua know whatever words xv uses 19:15:34 -!- potatolizard has quit [] 19:15:36 elliptic: that sounds reasonable 19:15:57 (exact speed would be an info leak for the monsters with randomized speed) 19:16:21 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:16:41 Yes. 19:16:43 -!- Zooty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17:34 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:05 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:21:23 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.16-a0-323-g9b4185f: Frances edit 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b4185face5e 19:22:44 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:54 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 19:35:42 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:56 i don't think oriflammes creak 19:37:50 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:39:18 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:44:22 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:45:53 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:46:14 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:50:43 -!- asdflkjh has quit [Client Quit] 19:53:19 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:55:34 -!- SperglordFirecoc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:55:37 i have to say, ugly things are noticeably a threat now 19:55:49 !lg doy ikiller=~ugly_thing 19:55:50 No games for doy (ikiller=~ugly_thing). 19:55:53 yes, i like new ugly things 19:55:59 not threatening enough, it seems 19:56:01 they aren't the chaff they were 19:56:01 haven't died yet, but it's been close a few times 19:56:04 !lg ontoclasm ikiller=~ugly_thing 19:56:05 1. pseudoclasm the Ripper (L14 FeMo of Vehumet), mangled by a red ugly thing (kmap: v_rooms_4) on Vaults:1 on 2013-08-16 03:50:01, with 48289 points after 33365 turns and 3:11:36. 19:56:16 !lg . ikiller=~ugly_thing 19:56:17 8. gammafunk the Summoner (L11 DEIE of Sif Muna), slain by a red ugly thing on Vaults:1 on 2013-11-27 02:59:56, with 13339 points after 9018 turns and 1:51:49. 19:56:24 there we go 19:56:38 !lg * ikiller=~ugly_thing s=cv 19:56:39 3362 games for * (ikiller=~ugly_thing): 722x 0.15-a, 458x 0.14-a, 343x 0.14, 286x 0.13-a, 214x 0.10, 155x 0.16-a, 136x 0.9, 126x 0.13, 119x 0.12, 118x 0.7, 105x 0.8, 82x 0.15, 64x 0.6, 61x 0.8-a, 57x 0.12-a, 56x 0.10-a, 45x 0.9-a, 40x 0.11, 38x 0.4, 37x 0.5, 33x 0.11-a, 30x 0.6-a, 18x 0.7-a, 8x 0.3, 5x 0.1, 3x 0.4-a, 2x 0.2, 0.5-a 19:57:05 !lg * t ikiller=~ugly_thing 19:57:06 70. porpoise the Ruinous (L10 DrCj of Vehumet), mangled by a red ugly thing on D:10 (column_ruins_temple_hut) on 2014-09-01 23:40:04, with 7027 points after 14678 turns and 1:24:56. 19:57:12 !lg * t ikiller=~ugly_thing s=ckiller 19:57:13 70 games for * (t ikiller=~ugly_thing): 31x a white ugly thing, 16x a red ugly thing, 10x a cyan ugly thing, 7x a brown ugly thing, 2x a white very ugly thing, a cyan very ugly thing, a green very ugly thing, a green ugly thing, a purple very ugly thing 19:57:41 !lg * t ikiller=~crusher 19:57:41 6. Chakani the Severer (L16 MiBe of Trog), thrown by an octopode crusher (kmap: hangedman_shoal_octodias) on Shoals:1 on 2014-09-01 17:39:43, with 133694 points after 40320 turns and 1:08:19. 19:57:44 whites are much nastier than the others 19:57:57 why is that? 19:58:11 af_cold hits relly hard 19:58:13 really* 19:58:20 I think same as fire? 19:58:22 i dunno if it ignores ac or what but it stings like hell 19:58:24 white ugly thing (15u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1712(cold:12-35) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 02cold | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 557 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:58:24 %??white_ugly_thing 19:58:28 red ugly thing (05u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1704(fire:12-23) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 05fire, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 557 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:58:28 %??red_ugly_thing 19:58:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:32 huh 19:58:35 huh 19:58:41 that seems odd 19:58:55 cyan ugly thing (10u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1711(elec:12-17) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 10elec | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 557 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:58:55 %??cyan_ugly_thing 19:59:15 purple ugly thing (06u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 22 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 557 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:59:15 %??purple ugly thing 19:59:32 <|amethyst> AF_FIRE has base damage HD + random2(HD) 19:59:32 purples should probably hit harder 19:59:34 brown ugly thing (07u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1708(acid:7d3) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 08acid | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 557 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:59:34 %??brown ugly thing 19:59:40 <|amethyst> AF_COLD has HD + random2(2 * HD) 19:59:43 might be nice if purple had some other kind of effect 19:59:46 yep 20:00:04 yep to me or to |amethyst ? 20:00:06 purples could have draining 20:00:07 purple used to have sick 20:00:10 to you, gfunk 20:00:16 <|amethyst> give them antimagic 20:00:22 antimagic might be interesting 20:00:24 <|amethyst> that seems purply 20:00:24 af_mutate imo 20:00:28 the argument is that antimagic is a Very Special Thing right now 20:00:35 af_antimagic is on like two monsters? 20:00:39 or af_klown 20:00:52 A purple very silly thing comes into view. 20:01:05 very ugly purples should eat MP like a ghost moth :getin: 20:01:51 didn't purple have some other hit type at some point? 20:01:59 gammafunk: yeah, sick 20:01:59 [18:00] doy purple used to have sick 20:02:02 ah ok 20:02:20 yeah they could just be retired if need be 20:02:33 not an awful idea 20:02:38 dispelling melee won't work really 20:02:57 yeah, ugly things having colors at all isn't that old 20:04:24 depends on your perspective 20:04:57 * gammafunk rolls his eyes at the young whipper-snapper devs 20:05:03 i think everyone but you in this conversation started playing after they got colours :) 20:05:27 !lg doy min=cv x=cv 20:05:27 945. [cv=0.1] doy the Grave Robber (L2 DrDK), slain by Ijyb (a club) on D:1 on 2006-12-14 17:29:50, with 109 points after 1193 turns and 0:31:04. 20:05:31 ...dang 20:05:37 Grave Robber indeed 20:05:42 heh 20:06:50 Keskit*lo is credited for improvements to crawl 2.60 [01.09.1998] 20:07:18 which kind of startled me when I noticed the name in there 20:07:29 %git 9f751c796fa4ca1c22e66d4f31f293c0ea1955b6 20:07:29 07dolorous02 * 0.6.0-a0-592-g9f751c7: Implement part of [2837033]: Randomize colors, resistances, and attack types/flavors for ugly things. They now use the ghost_demon struct, expanded to account for these characteristics. 10(5 years ago, 14 files, 301+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f751c796fa4 20:07:45 rip yuck :( 20:07:48 ah, ghost_demon struct....tyvm dolorous 20:08:35 i assume ghost_demon is Vintage Linley 20:08:45 I kind of doubt it 20:08:49 well, up until that point, the ghost_demon struct was only used for ghosts and demons 20:08:50 (: 20:08:56 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 20:09:01 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:28 ok, i'm not quite sure how much linley was involved in the 1.1 - 3.whatever phase, if at all 20:09:32 perhaps Vintage Bwr 20:10:04 so I'm not a ghost demon expert 20:10:43 but are they basically 'we don't store enough information in the monster struct, so instead of expanding it, add a separate, parallel, structure to hold the extra data?; 20:11:08 they hold data for monsters that can have multiple different variants 20:11:18 like how ghosts can have different spell sets, or attacks, etc 20:11:22 same with pan lords 20:11:23 sure 20:11:24 etc 20:11:29 isn't that what I said? 20:11:40 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:11:43 well 20:11:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: they're things that very few monsters need in the monster struct 20:11:55 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:11:59 <|amethyst> so yes, but it's good not to expand here 20:12:08 <|amethyst> that said, we could use props these days 20:12:08 it's for holding things that would otherwise be looked up in the generic monster data 20:12:12 yeah was just thinking: props 20:12:15 but yeah 20:12:18 if I were designing this from scratch 20:12:19 tbh 20:12:23 %git 621bd9ce58cc45ce9cfcc3cf1f576882b40a426d 20:12:23 07greensnark02 * 0.2-a0-495-g621bd9c: Cleaned up ghost and Pandemonium demon handling. 10(7 years ago, 21 files, 1202+ 881-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=621bd9ce58cc 20:12:55 "can now have multiple ghosts [...] on a level" 20:13:01 <|amethyst> ghost_demon would inherit from monster probably, adding new fields and overriding some methods 20:13:05