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(Depths:3) 09:05:53 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:53 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:27 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:41 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 09:26:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:04 people are finding new exciting ways of triggering the spectral weapon crash :P 09:27:59 <|amethyst> I think end_spectral_weapon probably needs to be a fineff 09:28:34 also, is it a bug he has a Gozag named item in 0.15?? 09:28:39 <|amethyst> then again, that probably introduces other problems, if it tries to interact with its summoner 09:29:25 i wonder if there's a way to get killed by your own spectral weapon 09:29:39 -!- negatendo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:27 i'm not convinced end_spectral_weapon needs to be called at all for monsters: doesn't the normal summon poofing handle it? 09:32:54 <|amethyst> only on the SW's turn 09:34:32 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38:14 -!- Letchik has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:35 this crash looks like it could be more reproducible than the previous ones at least 09:40:03 -!- dved has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:03 ??unarmed 09:40:03 unarmed combat[1/3]: Fighting without a weapon. Base damage is 3 + UC skill (+2 per claws level (so +6 Tr, +2 Gh), +X for forms); delay 10 - UC/5.4; +2 to hit (+4 Tr/Gh). This delay is increased to max(10, 1d10+2dAEVP) - UC/5.4 if wearing {heavy armour}, plus the usual shield penalty, plus 1d2 - 1 if using a shield. 09:40:18 ??unarmed[2 09:40:18 unarmed combat[2/3]: Base for forms: Normal/Hog 3, Spider 5 (venom), Bat 1, Vampire bat 2 (vamp), Ice beast 12 (ice), Blade hands 8 + (str + dex) / 3, Statue (6 + str / 3), Dragon 12 + str*2/3, Lich 5 (drain). Form base damage scales with skill, just like normal punches. 09:40:38 ??unarmed[3 09:40:39 auxiliary attacks[1/4]: Auxiliary attacks are /extra/ melee attacks using body parts. You can get auxiliary attacks by having hooves, horns, talons, fangs, a beak, or a large muscular tail. Unarmed Combat skill does not affect these. However, if you have Unarmed Combat skill and are not using a shield or two-handed weapon, you do get an offhand punch. 09:42:09 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 09:43:43 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:12 huh 09:44:18 " So apparently if you corrupt wucad mu's wizlab it can lock you in with undiggable walls (maybe corruption shouldn't spawn undiggable walls?) " 09:45:34 i see no reasons for why it should 09:48:14 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.7.0/20140723063708]] 09:50:00 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:50:30 mm 09:50:42 well, in wucad mu's, it'd be kind of weird if it spawned rock 09:50:45 since there's none there normally 09:51:07 it's the abyss 09:51:10 true 09:51:16 mm 09:51:26 <|amethyst> probably it does spawn rock there 09:51:34 <|amethyst> just stone and metal too 09:51:43 <|amethyst> !source _abyss_proto_feature 09:51:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc;hb=HEAD#l115 09:52:03 http://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=434076933 09:52:05 oh 09:52:05 <|amethyst> Anyway, what if you have neither digging nor teleportation and you corrupt some other level? 09:52:06 hold on 09:52:09 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:52:33 <|amethyst> most of us don't have SA accounts 09:52:35 http://i.imgur.com/5bheheY.jpg 09:52:38 sorry yes 09:52:45 I hit copy address -> paste without checking what the address was :) 09:53:17 the attach images feature has been broken for a while, so I got out of the habit of checking to see if people were using it 09:54:54 -!- negatendo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:36 i even have plat and don't remember it 09:55:38 _o - a manual of Fighting {!d} 09:55:46 oops, wrong chat 09:56:24 !send ontoclasm a tacky grenade 09:56:25 Sending a tacky grenade to ontoclasm. 09:56:43 yeah, i don't think avoiding spawning undiggable walls gets to the actual issue 09:56:44 doy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:56:48 !messages 09:56:49 (1/1) wheals said (33m 10s ago): look at the logs for 20140213, for example; it was another type of glass that vault designers usually had to work around. And even if resting does work, what's the gain from showing the monsters if they can't affect you? 09:56:54 ontoclasm: have you seen the spooky spooky skeletons yet 09:57:06 skeletons 09:57:16 (so spooky that they float by the force of their spookiness alone) 09:57:19 i saw the wraiths you made if that's what you mean? 09:57:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:57:32 ah, yeah, they look pretty good 09:57:37 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/demonic_crawler3.png i also have, uh - this 09:57:51 wheals: so why have any kind of transparent features, then? 09:58:02 -!- Evablue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:04 ontoclasm: did you see the spell icons 09:58:05 Bloax: that face 09:58:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 09:58:16 i suppose this mattered more when we had a branch with trees 09:58:22 berserk crawlers 09:58:32 yeah, i'll probably use the tornado one and maybe the glaciate one 09:58:45 the clouds i'm not a big fan of 09:58:45 doy: I think the argument is "why have more than one kind of glass", probably 09:58:51 wheals: swamp is still a branch with trees 09:58:59 PleasingFungus: we already have statues, grates, etc 09:59:00 well 09:59:06 more than five kinds of glass 09:59:09 <|amethyst> doy: swamp trees were changed to be opaque well before other trees 09:59:10 right 09:59:23 -!- negatendo has quit [Client Quit] 09:59:29 the freezy clouds aren't wispy enough, yes 09:59:36 Bloax: actually, for glaciate, i'd like it better if you could see the square outline better 10:00:09 like, it's cool that high-level spells poke out but they should -poke- out, not overwrite the outline completely 10:00:29 maybe just cut the tail part down and lower the thing a few pixels 10:00:39 so you can see the outline around part of it 10:01:42 anyway, i gotta go teach dudes algebra 10:01:52 i'll do stuff when i get back 10:02:38 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/GLACIATEb.png 10:04:27 well, for one thing i need it with a transparent background 10:04:50 but yes, that looks better 10:05:51 <+|amethyst> Anyway, what if you have neither digging nor teleportation and you corrupt some other level? 10:06:26 you're worshipping lugonu, so you enter the abyss, scum for LRD and earth skill, and return, obviously 10:06:48 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:07:15 did you not like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/okawaru.png by the way 10:07:38 tbh i'm kind of surprised i've never heard of this before, i guess i assumed there was some kind of connectivity check 10:08:06 the abyss is too chaotic for connectivity checks! 10:08:07 (: 10:09:30 well, it has morphing so it doesn't need them ---> implement morphing for corrupted levels 10:11:10 heh 10:11:22 that would be a solution to the problem, yes 10:13:47 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:14:08 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:19 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Client Quit] 10:14:28 it looks like there is a check to prevent turning traversable squares untraversable if they have fewer than 4 traversable neighbors, but that didn't help enough in this case 10:15:06 FWIW, it looks like Sequell is down 10:15:17 ??test 10:16:16 -!- markgo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:17:28 -!- yuastnav has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:17:30 Bloax: matbe like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/glac.png 10:17:56 probably determining connectivity is impossible and it should just have a warning like tomb did 10:18:05 maybe 10:18:05 and idk about the oka altar, it's kinda sool that it's severe and unembellished 10:18:06 oka doesn't seem like a gold-plating kinda god 10:18:06 anyway, i'll be back tonight 10:18:06 cheers 10:18:15 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:21 -!- effractur has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:22 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:23 -!- kryft_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:23 test[1/56]: blaargh 10:18:34 Nm, Sequell's back 10:18:38 just very slow 10:18:40 -!- kryft has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:09 -!- tbuck has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:34 huh 10:20:46 this whole time i was afraid ghost crabs were doing nothing 10:20:49 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:50 -!- Ragdoll has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:50 -!- Sorbius has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:50 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:51 -!- moose has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:51 -!- endou has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:52 -!- schistosomatic has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:53 -!- amalloy_ has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:53 -!- NotKintak has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:53 -!- tw__ has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:53 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:55 -!- unpaidbill has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:56 -!- Wensley has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:56 -!- atSign has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:56 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:56 -!- omni5cience has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:56 -!- jefkin has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:57 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:58 -!- vede has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:58 -!- kfjohnson has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:59 -!- Unmovable has quit [*.net *.split] 10:20:59 -!- Goncyn has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:00 it turns out spectral flames just don't set ikiller :) 10:22:38 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:38 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:38 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:38 -!- omni5cience has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:54 huh 10:23:22 !lg * kmod=a_spectral_thing crypt kpath= -log 10:23:29 12. nago, XL23 VSBe, T:46374: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/nago/morgue-nago-20140626-123728.txt 10:24:08 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 10:25:00 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:31 which is strange, since its monster::summoner should be being set 10:26:59 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:28:25 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:35 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:57 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 10:31:56 !locate Wolfram_ 10:32:04 Wolfram_ was last seen on CDO (Tungsten, L11 GrFi of Makhleb). 10:32:10 Btw, what are your opinions on Qaz balance? Right now the god seems very strong to me -- the drawback of making noise and not being able to use summons effectively is fairly trivial compared to the power of Upheaval and sometimes even passive cloud generation. 10:32:39 imo turning into a permafireball drastically changes gameplay 10:32:42 ^ 10:32:51 it seems like i have to do something with the mgen_data it uses 10:33:14 to get the "blame" prop set, which seems like it's probably used often enough a field might be justifiable 10:33:29 potatolizard: It definitely drastically changes gameplay. 10:33:34 even a 0 stealth char that automatically wakes up everything the instant it enters los is nothing like qa 10:33:38 (also note ofc that a god *should* provide significant net benefits over no worship, in most cases - compare to okawaru, or vehumpet) 10:33:40 *qa 10:33:43 *qaz 10:33:44 damn it 10:33:49 :) 10:34:01 qaz is also an invo god 10:34:26 PleasingFungus: I submit as one piece of evidence that a relatively low-level HuNe of mine got banished, and I thought the noise would be a serious threat, but it really wasn't, because of Upheaval. 10:34:40 yeah, the benefits of upheaval are only gonna be great if you invest heavily in invo. which is a cost! 10:34:43 I spent 3000 turns in the Abyss without significant danger. 10:34:45 also, people overestimate the abyss 10:34:51 !lm lasty 10:35:00 right, slow sequell day 10:35:33 My last milestone is the same HuNe entering V:5, which he already mostly cleared with Upheaval and Disaster Area. 10:35:47 else if (mg.summoner != NULL && mg.summoner->alive() && mg.summoner != mon) { ASSERT(mg.summoner->alive()); 10:35:48 that's good and correct 10:35:49 there was significant danger to your piety meter, at least 10:35:51 good assertion there 10:36:05 I've been doing a pretty bad job developing this character, but it hasn't held me back, since I got 20 Invo early. 10:36:06 how much piety does upheaval actually cost 10:36:16 it feels like more than heroism but less than other stuff 10:36:23 wheals: well, what if someone overrode the != operator, so that "mg.summoner != mon" could have side effects? 10:36:24 :) 10:36:40 Lasty_: yeaahhh that's gonna make qaz feel pretty strong 10:36:46 ah, of course!!! 10:36:51 especially compared to the rest of your options 10:37:43 3 + (val + random2((val + 1) / 2 + 1)) 10:37:44 er 10:37:47 3 + random2((val + 1) / 2 + 1) 10:37:54 blerg: 3 + random2((3 + 1) / 2 + 1) 10:38:35 PleasingFungus: Right, but what I mean to say is that getting Invo on this god effectively trumped all my other options and erased all my mistakes and carelessness. 10:38:36 so 3-5? 10:39:02 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:39:04 imho "going heavy invo on an invo-heavy god" should be a valid option 10:39:15 PleasingFungus: But should it be the obvious best option? 10:39:22 i feel like getting 20 invo qaz is saying this is my killdudes skill 10:39:23 I am unconvinced that it is 10:39:28 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:39:31 what DrKe said 10:39:34 you can find that playing gree who gets 20 earth is quite strong 10:39:35 I mean, even Ely's invo at least doesn't kill everything . . . 10:39:46 ely is a terrible god and let's say no more of it 10:40:05 Awright, well, I've made my case, such as it is. :) 10:41:12 i guess i want non_actor_summoner, though that won't actually make it show up as ikiller=revenant|ghost_crab still 10:41:58 <|amethyst> wheals: that's the NULL that's currently being passed 10:42:15 no, that NULL is summoner 10:45:54 -!- fortyCakes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:55 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:55 ??test 10:45:55 test[1/56]: blaargh 10:45:55 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:56 sequell seems a bit slow 10:45:56 3556. [2014-08-27 01:26:19] Lasty the End of an Era (L27 HuNe of Qazlal) reached level 5 of the Vaults on turn 86901. (Vaults:5) 10:45:56 qaz did seem pretty strong, but i've only played him in sprint so far, so not sure how that affects things 10:45:56 but at 27 invo, upheaval does seem to kill pretty much anything 10:46:10 in sprint, qaz doesn't really have disadvantages 10:46:18 since, you know, noise isn't so relevant 10:46:31 and the piety gain rates are huge 10:47:46 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:48:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:50:10 -!- Fortescue_ is now known as Fortescue 10:50:38 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:49 people overestimate the abyss because it used to be more dangerous, i think 10:50:49 it has been kind of disappointing to me how easy it is to find abyss exits these days 10:50:49 <|amethyst> wheals: you would think that occurred because there was stuff in the middle that was later removed, or the check in the condition was added after the assertion 10:50:49 <|amethyst> wheals: you would be wrong 10:50:49 <|amethyst> %git b0fe954d 10:50:49 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.6.0-a1-547-gb0fe954: mon-place.cc: assert if summoner is dead... 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0fe954dbafe 10:50:50 anyway, it's good for new gods to be on the strong side 10:50:50 to get more people to play them 10:51:14 yeah, that's true 10:51:28 looks like he just forgot to finish typing 10:51:36 since he didn't do the second part of the message 10:51:42 heh 10:52:25 btw 10:52:29 !lg * recent s=god o=% urune <=3 / won 10:52:32 3282/911239 games for * (recent urune<=3): 54/1106x Jiyva [4.88%], 97/3303x Fedhas [2.94%], 56/2613x Zin [2.14%], 248/12316x Ashenzari [2.01%], 96/5343x Qazlal [1.80%], 37/2127x Gozag [1.74%], 224/13672x Makhleb [1.64%], 146/10507x Dithmenos [1.39%], 163/12033x Cheibriados [1.35%], 525/45672x Okawaru [1.15%], 79/7108x Kikubaaqudgha [1.11%], 56/5303x Beogh [1.06%], 90/9214x Nemelex Xobeh [0.98%], 6... 10:52:40 numbers are pretty similar for 5-rune and get way thrown off in extended 10:52:42 for obvious reasons 10:53:22 i'll probably just set the mgen_data's summoner and see if that has any undesired side effects 10:53:23 !lg * cv=0.15-a nemelex / won 10:53:24 25/1793 games for * (cv=0.15-a nemelex): N=25/1793 (1.39%) 10:53:33 interesting 10:53:47 PleasingFungus: well, note that generally (may be less true now) trunk players are better than stable ones 10:53:51 sure 10:54:27 oh, before I go. wheals, check this out 10:54:31 http://i.imgur.com/txhuFBZ.png 10:54:42 gonna list "evil and chaotic gods" when I get back 10:54:48 -!- Zerkmund1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:18 perhaps also add a special kpath thing for summoning via ghostly flame like mara has "woven" 10:56:01 looks cool 10:56:40 also leaves more room for book-length descriptions!! :D 10:56:47 heh 10:58:07 -!- hauzer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58:48 yeah, the 'detailed' description of powers & abilities could be expanded now, if we 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need to come up with a better team name pronto. This is very important 15:31:00 !!! 15:31:07 D:1 Quitters 15:31:07 the tournament may need to be delayed 15:31:15 I guess that's mostly just you tho 15:31:16 oh I'd like anything about quitting 15:31:17 hm 15:31:31 yeah it'd be cool to go with the 'ruining' theme, but there are other good ones 15:32:41 some choice bit of bad monster speech perhaps 15:32:48 there is only one choice 15:32:51 come on 15:32:55 hard to work in "...me, the Spider Queen!", my personal favorite 15:33:03 is that what you're thinking of? 15:33:08 ofc 15:33:09 or is there an even better one 15:33:11 ok, good 15:33:25 "Slaves to the Spider Queen" would be pretty weird out of context 15:33:33 perhaps a little too dp*g 15:33:38 right, hard to make a long speech line work 15:33:47 I will ponder this with my hat of pondering 15:33:56 !source dat/database/monspeech.txt 15:33:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeech.txt;hb=HEAD 15:34:01 aw 15:34:11 s/speech/speak 15:34:11 oh you can still get that 15:34:25 oh you did get that, just typo 15:34:39 I was trying to do it from memory 15:34:58 Radula Flailing Wildly 15:35:08 or perhaps radulae (maybe someone should correct the speech line?) 15:35:13 yeah we also have those monster descriptions 15:35:21 you changed so man, so probably remember the terrible parts better than I 15:35:24 *so many 15:35:25 that one is actually a monster speech line! 15:35:39 well, "speech" 15:35:39 haha 15:35:50 tbh sounds like it belongs in some weird adult film 15:35:52 haha 15:36:04 the torpor snail description has something about "ever-grinding radulae" iirc 15:36:10 !source dat/descript/monsters.txt 15:36:11 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt;hb=HEAD 15:36:12 oh that's great 15:36:21 Ever Grinding Radulae 15:36:21 "terrifying, ever-gnashing radulae" 15:36:23 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:36:34 I mean that's practically a clan name right there 15:37:12 Terrifying, ever-gnashing radulae 15:37:18 it's a bit wordy 15:37:25 perhaps cut the terror 15:37:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:42 +1 for ruining 15:37:47 Well Ever-gnashing radulae would be an improvement over 'silverstar ruiners' already 15:37:58 wheals: opinion??? 15:38:13 !summon wheals 15:38:17 opinion: a new name sounds good 15:38:18 tbh silverstar ruiners keeps making me think of silvergun something 15:38:32 radiant silvergun, that's it 15:38:35 yeah it's...not ideal 15:38:42 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:42 it makes us sounds like a bunch of hopeless nerds 15:38:47 yesss 15:38:50 which might be ironic or just very factual 15:38:51 well, that's accurate, to be fair 15:39:01 btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radula#mediaviewer/File:Radula_diagram3.png radulae 15:39:04 the terror!!!! 15:39:11 the horror, the horror 15:39:25 wow that is terrifying 15:40:05 Slaves to the Spider Queen: Ruler of Blood Chapter II 15:40:14 ever-grinding radulae is kind of good since it implies grinding games/code 15:40:15 heh 15:40:19 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:31 but we'd want to use the actual line of course 15:40:31 s/II/15 15:40:33 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:40:34 so nm 15:40:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:40:52 oh, dang, arachne's speech lines were gutted 15:41:00 she's got... four. four lines 15:41:02 Slaves to the Spider Queen: Servant of the Spider Queen of Blood Chapter 15 15:41:05 not that the old ones were good, but... 15:41:08 the double-reference is key with that 15:41:33 -!- Tedronai has quit [Client Quit] 15:41:33 "spider queen of blood" seems a bit much 15:41:51 ok, but it *has* to refer to the spider queen twice 15:41:54 I mean that's obvious right 15:42:52 I'd love to reference that line but it's really hard to do it 15:42:56 in a name 15:42:59 perhaps best not to force it 15:43:16 You can't force art. It has to flow naturally 15:44:08 something something poop joke 15:44:19 also not a bad clan name imo 15:45:17 wheals: can we change it to Ever-gnashing radulae for now, and if some stroke of genius occurs to anyone (including yourself), we can change it later? 15:46:06 or I guess Ever-gnashing Radulae, but what does the Manual of Style say about capitalization of video game tournament team names? 15:46:18 gnashing or flailing? 15:46:30 well it should be what the actual line is 15:47:04 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 15:47:40 yeah it's "ever-gnashing radulae" in the monster descript 15:47:52 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:03 I'd go with "Ever-Gnashing Radulae" personally 15:48:05 i guess, since my crappy ghost crab desc has nothing memorable 15:48:11 aw :( 15:48:21 "A spooky crab. Beware!" 15:48:26 !lg * crypt kmod=spectral_thing ikiller= 15:48:29 No games for * (crypt kmod=spectral_thing ikiller=). 15:48:33 !lg * crypt kmod=a_spectral_thing ikiller= 15:48:36 No games for * (crypt kmod=a_spectral_thing ikiller=). 15:48:45 huh 15:48:46 !lg * crypt kmod~~spectral_thing 15:48:47 17. nago the Bludgeoner (L23 VSBe of Trog), slain by a spectral ettin on Crypt:1 on 2014-06-26 12:37:28, with 371552 points after 46374 turns and 2:20:37. 15:48:51 !lg * crypt kmod~~spectral_thing s=ikiller 15:48:51 17 games for * (crypt kmod~~spectral_thing): 3x a spectral stone giant, 2x Khufu, 2x a spectral titan, 2x a spectral ettin, Frederick the spectral human, Margery the spectral human, a spectral dire elephant, a vampire mage, a curse skull, a spectral sphinx, a spectral seven-headed hydra, a deep elf death mage 15:49:08 the ones with ikiller==killer are summoned by ghostly flames 15:49:17 oh right, kpath= 15:49:25 !lg * crypt kmod=spectral_thing kpath= 15:49:26 No games for * (crypt kmod=spectral_thing kpath=). 15:49:28 !lg * crypt kmod=a_spectral_thing kpath= 15:49:32 12. nago the Bludgeoner (L23 VSBe of Trog), slain by a spectral ettin on Crypt:1 on 2014-06-26 12:37:28, with 371552 points after 46374 turns and 2:20:37. 15:49:51 those are ghost crab kills? 15:50:01 time to look and see which are crabs and which revenants (about to push a fix that will add them as ikiller) 15:50:10 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 15:50:10 yeah some of them might be revenants 15:50:40 does the ghostly flame heal the player character if the player is undead? 15:51:10 it shouldn't, i think 15:51:13 n. ghostly flames don't heal undead, only 15:51:31 n.? 15:51:51 no 15:51:54 ...wow 15:51:59 ghostly fireball & ghostly flames work completely differently 15:52:03 you abbreviated no 15:52:16 habit 15:52:19 or just dropped a key 15:52:33 almost as good as the time you posted a png of your commit log 15:52:49 pls be polite :( 15:52:57 ok, looks like some sort of reversion, since the initial blast (which has BEAM_GHOSTLY_FIREBALL) does heal 15:53:08 it's in your learndb! 15:53:12 but i think it's supposed to do 0 damage 15:53:45 hrm, not sure if the fireball is different from the flame cloud? 15:53:56 er the ghostly fireball and ghostly flame cloud 15:54:01 er, s/IREBALL/LAMES 15:54:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:54:13 or neither 15:55:05 oh, i'm silly, i see the problem 15:57:58 we had this discussion a few months ago 15:58:02 they are confusing but use different code paths 15:58:29 there was a discussion of having them use the same path, but there was concern that undead players could let ghost crabs tag along behind them as portable healing buddies, like djinn and the fire crab (rip) 15:59:34 yes, setup_mons_cast sets the damage to 0d1 properly, then mon-abil sets it back to non-0 so the blast (monster cloud spells have impact damage) heals undead players 15:59:42 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 15:59:49 this should be fixable by removing mon-abil.cc 15:59:55 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:59:55 sounds good to me 16:00:03 but for now i'll just fix this conditional :) 16:00:09 wheals: yeah, I was in necromutation in tomb, and walked through a revanents clouds, and it seemed like I gained hp 16:00:30 the walking through shouldn't be gaining hp at least, just the blasts 16:00:31 couldn't tell if it was from the tla I was wearing for sure 16:00:45 ok, so that was probably just regen 16:00:58 not sure if I got blasted or not 16:01:29 -!- its_jenna has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:01:34 oh, huh 16:01:56 mons_spell_beam sets is_beam to true for SPELL_BANISHMENT, that doesn't make sense 16:02:16 fr: penetrating banishment beam 16:02:21 aoe banishment 16:02:43 ??damnation card 16:02:43 damnation card[1/3]: The Damnation card throws multiple creatures into the Abyss, the number of creatures increasing with power. You are a creature. However, that's not to say you will be thrown into the abyss, just that you might be (and your chance doesn't increase with power). Unless you're the only visible creature, in which case you will be. 16:02:54 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:06 that's not aoe, but just all-los 16:03:13 if we're being technical 16:03:16 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:13 rip the good old days of spamming cards for piety, making sure to stay in los of plants in case you drew damnation 16:04:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:30 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:30 how many times has nemelex been reformed at this point 16:04:53 I hope he'll be removed in his Final Form 16:04:56 I only know of two reforms, in short succession 16:04:59 imho the first one was pretty good 16:05:09 we can pretend he ascended to ultra-godhood 16:05:14 the first one was pretty early 16:05:22 -!- Pluie|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:05:30 I know he used to have a portable altar 16:05:35 but that was way before my time 16:05:35 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:36 he did 16:05:39 that was awesome 16:06:08 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:06:08 -!- halv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:18 https://twitter.com/crawlcode/status/482728458959609856 this is my favorite nemelex-related commit 16:06:30 did the portable altar make it into nostalgia 16:06:33 oh, this is broken for revenants too, huh 16:06:37 not afaik :( 16:06:54 for reference, that was the commit that implemented nemelex item sacrifices 16:07:03 heh 16:07:04 %git c8a0422 16:07:05 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-284-gc8a0422: Removed portable altars. Nemelex prayers will now sacrifice everything on the current square. (This will need some interface improvements to prevent players from 'p'ing away their stash...) Also removed some unused enums and enum values. Breaks savefiles. 10(7 years ago, 12 files, 16+ 164-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8a0422eec77 16:07:28 well technically there were nemelex item sacrifices before with the altar, no? 16:07:28 dang, that was all in the first line. no discipline in those days! 16:07:32 yeah I misremembered 16:07:52 also "breaks savefiles" 16:08:15 oh 16:08:27 hp gain from ghostly flame doesn't depend on damage 16:08:59 and it uses check_your_resists so the code gets called even with 0 damage i guess? 16:09:21 imo just revert nemelex to good nemelex 16:09:33 eb_mobile: which one is good nemelex 16:10:05 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzglotza 16:10:13 the last one before current nemelex that everyone hates 16:11:06 are there nemelexes that not everyone hates 16:11:09 maybe some changes to how piety is gained 16:11:22 I'll think of something I guess 16:11:36 i want to change piety gain at some point, yeah 16:11:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:26 making triple draw the "default" way to use decks could be worked on too I suppose 16:12:36 when one of the god's primary designers admits that the god was a bad design and shouldn't exist, seems a pretty clear course of action to me. If only people didn't form emotional attachments to bad things 16:12:52 when did haranp say that? 16:12:56 dpeg 16:13:09 i liked the item sacrificing mechanic, it just always played as really grindy 16:13:22 haranp might have been the implementer, but I think it was more dpeg's brainshcild 16:13:30 it feels like there would be ways to improve that though 16:13:32 *horrible typing 16:13:53 ok, looks like i got ghost flame clouds to not heal undead players 16:14:01 backport to 0.15? it doesn't seem intended 16:14:09 sure 16:14:11