00:00:49 -!- tls9540 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:01 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-224-g8bcda2f (34) 00:02:07 error help 00:02:19 yes? 00:03:07 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-225-g0df2dad: Don't spam Ash-worshippers holding the Scythe of Curses (8883) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0df2dade16a3 00:03:09 Unfortunately your game ended unexpectedly 00:03:12 pop up this message 00:03:39 tls9540: are you playing offline? console or tiles? 00:03:50 tiles 00:04:14 what operating system do you use? (windows? os x?) 00:04:55 windows 00:05:46 were you leveling up at the time? 00:06:15 ckr 00:06:34 ??sigils 00:06:34 I don't have a page labeled sigils in my learndb. 00:06:37 8/18 00:06:37 ??sigil 00:06:38 I don't have a page labeled sigil in my learndb. 00:06:44 oh, hm 00:06:47 !crashlog tls9540 00:06:47 No milestones for tls9540 (crash). 00:06:59 tls9540: what username do you use on ckr? 00:07:00 ??servers 00:07:00 servers[1/1]: See {cao}, {cszo}, {cbro} (US) or {cdo}, {clan} (EU), or {ckr} (Asia-Pacific). Also http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 00:07:03 !lm tls9540 00:07:03 1598. [2014-08-18 16:50:55] tls9540 the Shield-Bearer (L4 FoFi) killed the ghost of jowce12 the Insei, an average HuMo on turn 871. (D:3) 00:07:08 oh, probably this 00:07:09 h 00:07:11 m 00:07:21 ye 00:07:22 -!- hauzer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:08:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-94-gd7ced18: Don't spam Ash-worshippers holding the Scythe of Curses (8883) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7ced18a6682 00:11:58 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:14:45 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-225-g0df2dad (34) 00:18:12 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:17 -!- mspang_ is now known as mspang 00:32:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-225-g0df2dad 00:33:44 !vault sigmund_army 00:33:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des;hb=HEAD#l1162 00:34:06 %git 6913e2701 00:34:07 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-3156-g6913e27: Stab randomly at random minivaults. 10(5 months ago, 5 files, 818+ 831-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6913e27016db 00:37:01 -!- hauzer1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:38:34 !tell |amethyst opinion on making "being in water" prevent sticky-flame? (per 7200) obv mumra's napalm comments are now moot :) 00:38:34 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 00:44:15 -!- _godzilla has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:44:40 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:17 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:48:00 -!- grit has quit [Client Quit] 00:54:20 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:24 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06:11 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:59 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:09:06 there's... code for continuing to switch weapons if you were interrupted by transforming, in the middle. 01:09:21 is that really necessary? that seems like an incredibly niche case. 01:10:16 -!- AGinsberg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:13 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:17:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:17:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140817030204]] 01:19:55 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:26 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:33 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:23:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:27:49 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:46 -!- sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:40:40 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:45:23 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:46:00 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:56:07 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:05:09 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:41 olXor (L15 DDHe) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1361: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Swamp:5) 02:07:21 olXor (L15 DDHe) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1361: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Swamp:5) 02:10:05 -!- whiskers75 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0-dev] 02:12:26 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 02:17:25 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-94-gd7ced18 02:21:52 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:34 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:33 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-225-g0df2dad (34) 02:31:39 -!- tolly has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:20 -!- louwf has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:33:33 -!- slitherrrr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:44 -!- Potato is now known as Guest80210 02:33:53 -!- Guest80210 has quit [Client Quit] 02:39:01 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:32 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:47:00 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:47:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:12 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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08:52:49 hmm... if i tab fast enough with a polearm i will close the gap instead of reaching 08:52:55 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:02 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:55:06 -!- ultra_ has quit [Client Quit] 08:56:27 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:34 sometimes it sends something along the lines of "r-l" as well (i get prompts to identify something while tabbing, my identify scrolls are 'l') 08:57:13 yeah 08:59:22 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:59:56 johnny0: yeah, known issue (it needs someone to understand the macro code well enough to figure out why stuff gets interrupted sometimes) 09:00:22 gotcha 09:01:24 i'm surprised i haven't noticed this before, but maybe i just end up getting "you can't read that!" messages or something 09:01:29 johnny0: one of the reasons why it is a hard bug to catch is that reproducing it locally seems hard (because lag helps) 09:01:54 (I assume that you are getting it online?) 09:02:08 yeah, cszo ssh 09:02:15 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-226-g097f285: Unbreak trapwalk_safe_hp (qw). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=097f2851e5ec 09:02:15 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-95-gdbd5c0d: Unbreak trapwalk_safe_hp (qw). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbd5c0dc9b9f 09:05:58 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:41 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:09:50 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:09:56 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:55 fr wizmode command to simulate tons of lag 09:20:17 ontoclasm: I'm pretty sure there are offline proxy programs to do exactly that. 09:21:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:39 i've never heard of an offline one; i know you can set up a router's qos to do it 09:21:57 but i can see an offline one existing 09:22:49 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/130354/how-do-i-simulate-a-low-bandwidth-high-latency-environment 09:23:30 -!- Marv-in has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:30 mm, neat 09:24:39 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:42 can anyone point me in the right direction? want to run webtiles and it gets stuck at the loading screen - no errors and i have it in debug mode 09:25:34 tried 14.1 and latest .. python 2.7.8 and tornado 3.2.2 09:26:26 -!- RiotInferno1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:27:32 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28:55 -!- slitherrr has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:17 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:19 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:05 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 09:41:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-227-gf9de332: Make Majin-Bo actually give hunger (Darox) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9de332b3ea7 09:42:53 03PleasingFungus02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-96-ga104039: Make Majin-Bo actually give hunger (Darox) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a104039e1d44 09:43:43 -!- Staplegun is now known as sgn 09:44:43 -!- sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:10 tornado? 09:45:16 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:46:53 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:48:18 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:48:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 09:49:46 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:06 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51:20 Marv-in: there's a patched version of tornado you may need. 09:52:17 Marv-in: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 09:52:36 Marv-in: search for tornado. 09:52:56 this is the guide to set up an official-type server from scratch 09:53:06 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.7.0/20140723063708]] 09:54:45 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:59:32 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03:10 -!- truemonolith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:38 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:58 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:11:17 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:10 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:16:49 johnstein: thanks, great link. that version didnt work, but im on arch so i guess ill try it out on my ubuntu box 10:17:28 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:18:19 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:33 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 10:24:17 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:12 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:28:24 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TZer0 set the page up when setting up CLAN. I revised some of it when setting up CBRO 10:32:43 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:28 !tell elliptic Thanks, fixed the milestone/logfile confusion. 10:35:29 greensnark: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 10:35:44 Ty greensnark 10:39:01 greensnark: thanks! 10:39:01 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:46:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:48:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140817030204]] 10:49:11 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51:31 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:29 -!- Miauw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:22 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:43 Marv-in: you don't need the patched version of tornado, normal tornado 3 should work 10:55:16 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:36 do you get the lobby, or is it stuck before that? are you trying this locally or over internet? do the official servers work, especially when using https? 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11:40:53 Where's the effect switch live? 11:41:07 _equip_weapon_effect 11:41:13 in player-equip.cc 11:41:59 -!- Codrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:40 !source player-equip.cc:_equip_weapon_effect 11:42:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player-equip.cc;hb=HEAD#l407 11:43:01 !you.is_undead looks like the wrong check anyway? 11:43:20 i guess we no longer have non-undead foodless forms/species though 11:43:38 it's the same check as leech uses 11:44:06 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:44:57 also the effect for normal vampiric weapons is already in the effect switch? if I'm reading this right 11:45:43 the thing is, it depends on item.special 11:45:51 which iirc is overloaded in a weird way for artefacts? 11:46:07 I wonder how randart vamp weapons work 11:46:34 the problem here is that _equip_mpr turns show_msgs to false 11:46:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if (artefact) 11:46:43 <|amethyst> { 11:46:43 <|amethyst> special = artefact_wpn_property(item, ARTP_BRAND); 11:47:02 <|amethyst> right after it sets special = item.special 11:47:05 see that the vamp hunger is only called if show_msgs is true (which is wrong, it should always be) 11:47:14 hm 11:47:24 leech actually doesn't use this, since it has no equip message it gets the hunger right 11:47:38 vampire's tooth has a special equip message so it has the majin-bo's hack 11:47:52 in fact, the majin-bo did cause hunger -- but only if you weren't at max mp 11:47:56 <|amethyst> aha 11:48:01 oh, I see, there's the second switch 11:48:08 wheals: that's not that check 11:48:13 that check sees if you have nonzero max mp 11:48:29 oh ok 11:48:43 well if you had zero max mp it would cause hunger 11:48:45 yep 11:48:47 neat 11:49:14 yeah, the vampirism food effect should be in the second switch, like you were saying 11:49:30 i'm working on trying to fix this and do some refactoring 11:49:33 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:49:36 0.15 is fine as is though 11:49:41 :) 11:50:35 my is_undead fix is gonna cause me a rebase conflict tonight 11:50:45 (since i have a branch sitting around that removes is_undead) 11:51:41 my fix should move the conflict from art-func to player-equip! 11:52:02 or maybe not, since art-func would still have vampire's tooth being changed overall 11:52:10 rip 11:52:32 i wonder if we could get rid of some of the branches in the repository 11:52:44 there are quite a lot, and it looks like a good number of them have already been merged 11:54:20 probably, yes 11:54:22 -!- TS__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:39 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:52 Throw flame threatened to bounce. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 by nubinia 12:02:09 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-96-ga104039 12:05:32 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:05:34 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-227-gf9de332 (34) 12:10:32 while I know that antennae are supposed to be weird.. why can't the boots of assassin spot a trapdoor spider hiding unless it is behind a wall? 12:10:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:23 how do you know it's hiding if it's behind a wall??? 12:12:48 wheals: uhh? 12:13:06 well, true 12:13:16 maybe all the spiders come out from their trapdoors and have parties when you're not looking 12:13:27 -!- TendaAway is now known as Tenda 12:14:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:02 ~party spiders~ 12:16:36 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:22 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:29 spiders are cool. 12:18:49 Tarantellas are already party spiders. They make you dance -- or drink. 12:20:29 sadly mummies never get invited to parties 12:21:03 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:21:14 ??minmay[1 12:21:14 minmay[1/15]: http://i.imgur.com/F9rnGzB.png 12:21:43 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 12:22:21 G 12:22:29 wrong window. 12:22:43 lol minmay 12:23:46 hm 12:23:48 looking at learndb 12:23:52 ??monster intelligence[9 12:23:52 monster intelligence[9/10]: Misc stuff: Animal- can't be recalled by other monsters. Animal- except spectral weapons is considered to have 0 skills. Plant can't frenzy or jump. Animal- is immune to intoxication. High gets an accuracy bonus of 10 to throwing weapons. Insect- is immune to starcursed mass screams. Dumb monsters are worse at 'patrolling'. 12:24:04 I wonder if that throwing acc bonus is still around 12:25:37 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:46 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30:26 oh, I ruined necrophilia[2. what a shame 12:30:41 ??necrophilia[2 12:30:41 necrophilia[2/2]: Followers [of Makhleb] are expected to cleanse others by inflicting suffering and death on them in Makhleb's name, and can gain further favour by ravaging the freshly dead. 12:30:49 ??necrophilia[1 12:30:49 necrophilia[1/2]: Psyche says, "Once you're dead we can play together!" 12:30:56 D: 12:31:41 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 12:33:11 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:52 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:27 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-228-g9e5b052: Correct the placement of hunger effect in _equip_weapon_effect. 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 22+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e5b05270759 12:35:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36:02 - // XXX: refactor me! 12:36:03 :) 12:37:08 I wonder if you could do something interesting with a distort-weapon unran 12:43:45 !lg * cv=0.15-a place=~Snake s=ikiller 12:43:45 1002 games for * (cv=0.15-a place=~Snake): 127x Vashnia, 111x a greater naga, 105x a naga sharpshooter, 97x a shock serpent, 53x a naga warrior, 50x an anaconda, 45x a naga ritualist, 38x a black mamba, 38x Aizul, 35x a salamander, 29x a naga mage, 26x a guardian serpent, 22x, 17x a salamander mystic, 17x Jorgrun, 16x Asterion, 14x a mana viper, 13x Mara, 13x Mara (illusionary), 13x Nikola, 11x Sa... 12:43:52 ??lamia[2 12:43:52 lamia[2/2]: !lg * cv=0.12 place=~Snake s=ikiller 222 games for * (cv=0.12 place=~Snake): 64x Lamia, 48x a naga warrior, 37x a greater naga, 10x an anaco.... 12:43:56 this seems 12:43:58 familiar 12:44:17 !blame Grunt 12:44:17 I pronounce Grunt... Guilty! 12:44:26 !tell Grunt !lg * cv=0.15-a place=~Snake s=ikiller 12:44:26 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:44:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:30 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:45:31 strange that mara (illusionary) is an ikiller 12:45:52 hm 12:46:06 I don't actually see why it is a problem if the most popular ikiller in a branch is a unique with a band who is the signature unique of the branch 12:46:08 !lg * ikiller="Mara (illusionary)" 12:46:09 101. Dagoth the Bludgeoner (L17 GhGl of Qazlal), blasted by Mara (illusionary) (bolt of fire) on Snake:4 on 2014-08-19 14:24:30, with 144239 points after 34779 turns and 3:24:20. 12:46:26 yep, no "summoned by" or anything like that 12:46:26 and yeah, illusion ikill chains don't work currently, I noticed that with qw the other day 12:46:48 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:46:58 !lg * cv=0.15-a place=Shoals s=ikiller 12:46:59 828 games for * (cv=0.15-a place=Shoals): 92x a water nymph, 83x a merfolk, 73x a merfolk aquamancer, 65x a merfolk impaler, 59x Polyphemus, 49x a merfolk javelineer, 47x, 39x a satyr, 30x a harpy, 26x a kraken, 25x a sea snake, 22x a snapping turtle, 17x an alligator snapping turtle, 15x a manticore, 13x Jorgrun, 13x Ilsuiw, 12x a wind drake, 12x a water elemental, 9x Aizul, 8x Mara, 7x an octopo... 12:47:10 this might say more about ilsuiw than about vash, ofc 12:48:50 !lg * ikiller~~illusionary s=ikiller 12:48:51 261 games for * (ikiller~~illusionary): 101x Mara (illusionary), 39x a rakshasa (illusionary), 9x a stone giant (illusionary), 7x an ettin (illusionary), 6x an ice dragon (illusionary), 6x a fire dragon (illusionary), 6x a frost giant (illusionary), 4x a fire giant (illusionary), 4x a tentacled starspawn (illusionary), 3x a large abomination (illusionary), 3x a deep troll shaman (illusionary), 3x ... 12:49:02 !lg * ikiller~~illusionary s=ikiller,kmod,kpath 12:49:03 261 games for * (ikiller~~illusionary): 101x Mara (illusionary) (101x (101x)), 39x a rakshasa (illusionary) (39x (39x)), 9x a stone giant (illusionary) (9x (9x)), 7x an ettin (illusionary) (7x (7x)), 6x an ice dragon (illusionary) (6x (6x)), 6x a fire dragon (illusionary) (6x (6x)), 6x a frost giant (illusionary) (6x (6x)), 4x a tentacled starspawn (illusionary) (4x (4x)), 4x a fire giant (illusio... 12:49:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:35 i guess it would be an info leak before you died, of course 12:52:13 haha ; is a very empty-looking glyph right now 12:53:19 perhaps eels could go to t, as the last gasp of glyph reform 12:54:22 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:55:12 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:57:46 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:25 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:03:45 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-b1-96-ga104039 13:13:02 so does dgn_persist.bailey_type do anything now that couldn't be done using changing the WEIGHTs on the bailey maps? 13:13:47 oh i see, it's used to match the entrance and the inside 13:23:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:23:34 !learn del wheals[2 13:23:34 Deleted wheals[2/4]: before release: further fruit review, update 0.14_monster_glyphs, better bailey breaking 13:23:48 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:07 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-229-ga47c112: Update 0.14_monster_glyphs for removed monsters/lightred draconians. 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a47c112e0de7 13:24:07 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-230-g42ccaa2: Limit a few more fruit vaults. 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42ccaa23600b 13:24:07 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-231-g3d5c238: Flags can't be closed (PleasingFungus). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d5c23885df0 13:24:08 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-97-g565d66c: Update 0.14_monster_glyphs for removed monsters/lightred draconians. 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=565d66c3129e 13:24:08 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-98-g6cc7029: Limit a few more fruit vaults. 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc70291fa42 13:24:08 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-99-g32d01a9: Flags can't be closed (PleasingFungus). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32d01a94209c 13:24:52 rawr, I'm a bear 13:25:24 It was PleasingFungus 13:25:31 he his sword withdrew 13:25:36 it was whals, his brother 13:25:39 he to the earth slew 13:26:04 god damn it why can't i write properly 13:26:37 let me quote ancient danish singalongs properly 13:28:04 and a PleasingFungus in a git tree 13:31:26 Well, bears are known for climbing trees. 13:34:05 !send PleasingFungus dropbears 13:34:05 Sending dropbears to PleasingFungus. 13:35:06 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:39:08 aaaaa 13:42:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:19 -!- Von__Balmor has quit [Client Quit] 13:52:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:57 -!- rubinko has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:02:34 -!- tls9540 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:07 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:03 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:13:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:15:37 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:53 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:33:22 -!- murphvienna has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:37:19 -!- markgo` has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:39:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41:52 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:45:36 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:16 -!- Guest54094 is now known as Wensley 14:54:40 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:06 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:57:30 -!- Miauw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59:11 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:08:03 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:10:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:11:39 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 15:18:05 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:11 -!- graffen69 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:18:21 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:09 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:30 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 15:24:00 -!- Reverie|Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I am vaguely in favor but not strong on the relevant technical details 16:06:52 Remove beam is likely to hit you from freezing cloud 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 by lrvs 16:07:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:08:02 indentation is bad but the intent is noble 16:10:53 if anything it would be nice to just run a replace on indents 16:11:08 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:19 wait no 16:11:32 what the fuck am i talking about 16:11:56 sorry, i'm surprisingly all ogre the place today 16:11:56 carry on 16:12:04 your reign of terror is 16:12:05 ogre 16:12:10 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:50 !source beam_is_harmless 16:12:50 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:12:52 Couldn't find beam_is_harmless in the Crawl source tree 16:12:59 !messages 16:12:59 (1/1) gammafunk said (1h 48s ago): I saw place-poulations.lua after objstat was mostly done and wished I had tried building off that to have maybe fewer lines of code, but I'm not sure how much better that would be. In any case that script isn't really necessary now as I doubt I'd try a lua rewrite 16:13:29 !source harmless_to_player 16:13:30 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l3152 16:13:40 if i weren't worried that this joke would go ogre someone's head, i'd be eagle to add to it 16:14:33 oh my god 16:14:34 it's a meta-pun 16:14:37 how horrifying. 16:14:38 i guess that comment should be removed too 16:14:40 <|amethyst> hm 16:14:47 <|amethyst> that should be removed from MUT_ICEMAIL 16:14:52 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:14:53 and that too 16:15:07 just s/ICEMAIL/FREEZING_CLOUD_IMMUNITY/ really 16:15:51 oh. before 0.15's release, should we update the credits? 16:16:00 there have probably been some community patches applied at some point 16:16:11 not sure whether i should --amend the patch since then there wouldn't actually be any code remaining from the author 16:16:30 yeah, but it'd be kind of nice 16:16:51 wheals: well you don't have to use their patch, you can get them credit in the commit line 16:17:06 exactly, not sure which to do 16:17:21 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17:22 I'd say if there's no code of their remaining, that's a good case for just commit line credit 16:17:27 i feel it would be nicer to credit them as author in git but not entirely honest 16:17:38 well that's kind of not the way to reason about it imo 16:17:46 they can make other patches for "full credit" 16:17:52 heh 16:17:56 fair enough 16:17:56 but it's not a big deal either way I guess 16:18:01 -!- RodericNull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:18:02 hm 16:18:12 3170 case BEAM_HOLY: 16:18:13 3171 return is_good_god(you.religion); 16:18:23 is this just a cleansing flame thing, or what? 16:18:39 <|amethyst> yes 16:18:48 that's the only player source of BEAM_HOLY, so yeah 16:18:57 fr: pearl dragon form 16:19:14 somehow sounds very anime 16:19:22 finally, another tmut perfect for extended 16:19:23 that would be so hilariously strong 16:19:25 yes 16:20:07 we could also make it tso holy curse enemies when the player dies with it active 16:20:14 for flavor 16:20:15 haha 16:20:17 ofc 16:20:25 EXTREMELY strong felid tech 16:20:30 actually if xom wrath lichforms you will cleansing flame hurt you 16:20:43 maybe? 16:20:52 imho find out 16:21:09 <|amethyst> yes, it should 16:21:23 <|amethyst> res_holy_energy checks holiness first 16:21:35 i actually think you can do so controllably (somewhat) using metamorph card 16:22:15 -!- Badjas has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:18 <|amethyst> ah, yes 16:22:23 <|amethyst> you will take damage without warning 16:22:37 <|amethyst> and tso doesn't seem to mind metamorphosis -> lich 16:23:17 also should BEAM_MIASMA perhaps have the qaz check? 16:23:21 <|amethyst> any reason for that check not to just use you.res_holy_energy(&you) 16:23:28 so you don't get prompted for corpse rot under you 16:24:05 <|amethyst> hm 16:24:12 |amethyst: what if it identified rHoly items you were wearing??? 16:24:33 hm 16:24:37 <|amethyst> would it make sense to check for cloud spells and qazlal to go at the very top before the switch? 16:24:40 line 3955 of beam.cc makes me very sad 16:24:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: worn unidentified items? 16:24:57 |amethyst: rHoly items? 16:24:59 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:07 imho both are equally possible - and worrisome. 16:25:19 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: maybe we should add a dummy calc_unid param 16:25:51 haha 16:26:12 anyway sure, just using you.res_holy_energy(&you) seems reasonable 16:26:19 useful if you don't know whether the monster is a holy god worshipper.. 16:26:23 !source res_holy_energy 16:26:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l3924 16:26:33 ugh 16:26:38 <|amethyst> wheals: this is just player-on-player check though 16:26:42 !source player::res_holy_energy 16:26:42 !source player.cc:res_holy_energy 16:26:43 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l6889 16:26:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l3924 16:27:27 huh. worshipping evil gods makes you more vulnerable to holy attacks? 16:27:31 hm, i feel like i want to make real hydras look like my hydra statue >.> 16:28:06 !source player.h 16:28:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.h;hb=HEAD 16:28:43 -!- giganticus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:57 would be cool if we had a function for you_worship(GOD_) && !player_under_penance() 16:29:15 imho that would be a pretty easy utility function to make 16:29:23 the hard part is the name 16:29:51 also imposing more rebase conflicts on myself on dg branch 16:29:55 rip 16:32:26 ............"corrupt body" randomizes abomination tiles 16:32:55 the world's most special case 16:33:41 i'll make the extra changes in trunk, and do the s/ICEMAIL/FREEZING_CLOUD_IMMUNITY/ in 0.15 16:34:25 <|amethyst> name suggestion: in_good_standing(god_type g = you.religion) 16:35:36 so with no arguments it would just be the same as player_under_penance()? 16:37:11 oh player_under_penance has an optional parameter too, huh 16:38:00 <|amethyst> it would be !player_under_penance() 16:38:10 oh, yeah 16:38:36 also, player_under_penance includes wrath, didn't think of that 16:39:11 <|amethyst> You suffer the terrible wrath of No God. 16:40:48 <|amethyst> hm 16:41:03 mm, query_da_counter sounds like a good function name 16:41:21 <|amethyst> I wonder how justified the inlineness of player_under_penance and you_worship is 16:42:24 Tomb becomes impossible to explore 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8890 by EugeneJudo 16:43:25 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:54 looks like a sign from GOD_NAMELESS to do rtele tomb 16:46:22 do those statues have veto_disintegration/ 16:46:28 s/\/?/ 16:46:35 <|amethyst> hm 16:46:42 <|amethyst> I think I'm going to add one more parameter to this 16:50:03 any way, if they can be disinted it's not that different from some coc endings needing to pass deep water, right? 16:50:19 !source dat/des/branches/tomb.des 16:50:19 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/tomb.des;hb=HEAD 16:51:14 wheals: afaik they don't? 16:51:41 I know I've blown them up with lrd but that's ofc slightly different 16:53:51 pots of cancel seem really common 16:54:01 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:33 <|amethyst> wheals: are you pushing your icemail/etc fix soon? I ask because I'm touching adjacent code 16:57:53 <|amethyst> I don't mind resolving the conflicts, but that requires you to push first :) 16:57:56 yeah, was just compiling 16:58:00 <|amethyst> cookl 16:58:02 <|amethyst> s/kl/l/ 16:58:15 * wheals is immune to the cool 16:58:39 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:16 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:40 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:51 hm, targetting myself with fcloud gives a prompt but next to me works right 17:01:08 i suspect this is true before my commit though 17:03:06 <|amethyst> wheals: there is an option, don't remember the name, that probably affects that 17:03:32 <|amethyst> allow_self_target 17:03:37 even with that option at the default it shouldn't prompt if it would do no damage and it would also have no affect 17:03:46 <|amethyst> oh 17:03:46 s/no affect/a effect/ 17:03:47 <|amethyst> also 17:03:51 <|amethyst> This option has no effect on area-effect 17:03:51 <|amethyst> spells, such as Mephitic Cloud, where you are always a valid target. 17:04:01 huh 17:04:17 that's what i meant, so i guess a bug has snuck in at some point 17:04:24 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: lol videogames] 17:05:00 of course, even if it would do no damage if it would be a waste (v bolt at yourself as a mummy) it makes sense for it to prompt if it's the default 17:05:24 that's probably too many ifs for anyone else to understand 17:05:55 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-231-g3d5c238 (34) 17:06:49 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-232-g87e2dbb: Improve bolt::harmless_to_player (lrvs, |amethyst). 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87e2dbb697a2 17:09:15 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:31 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-100-g7f93067: Update check in bolt::harmless_to_player (lrvs). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f9306756793 17:10:52 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:11:05 |amethyst: push away :) 17:12:26 well, first, pull 17:12:27 then push 17:12:45 !pull --rebase PleasingFungus 17:12:58 ontoclasm: they're pretty common, yeah. def. more common than old ?vuln. not sure that's a problem, though? 17:13:10 wheals: lol if u don't have that as your default 17:13:21 i do, don't worry 17:13:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:33 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13:40 i've seen enough people stumble... 17:13:52 heh 17:14:15 %git HEAD^^{/origin:} 17:14:16 Could not find commit HEAD^^{/origin:} (git returned 128) 17:15:37 hm, does gitweb hide the commits? 17:16:51 ah, no 17:17:03 %git HEAD^^{/org:crawl} 17:17:03 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-a0-2122-g296c9a1: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(5 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=296c9a1a2ad2 17:17:40 >.> 17:17:54 %git HEAD ^^{/org:crawl} ^^{/org:crawl} 17:17:54 Could not find commit HEAD ^^{/org:crawl} ^^{/org:crawl} (git returned 128) 17:18:05 %git HEAD^^{/org:crawl}^^{/org:crawl} 17:18:05 07ontoclasm02 * 0.15-a0-1975-gd32eec0: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(6 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d32eec0d69ec 17:18:13 T.T 17:18:36 %git HEAD^^{/org:crawl}^^{/org:crawl}^^{/org:crawl}^^{/org:crawl}^^{/org:crawl}^^{/org:crawl} 17:18:36 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-2829-gad0964d: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad0964d1f5cd 17:21:11 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:08 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:28:06 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:37 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 17:32:01 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:18 -!- Codrus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:33 -!- Gene_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:00 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 17:34:29 <|amethyst> 3 ontoclasm 17:34:29 <|amethyst> 2 tenofswords 17:34:29 <|amethyst> 1 Cryp71c 17:34:29 <|amethyst> 1 Grunt 17:34:29 <|amethyst> 1 evilmike 17:34:59 <|amethyst> ^ git shortlog -sn --grep 'org:crawl/crawl' 17:35:14 :C 17:35:21 you're #1! 17:35:23 :) 17:35:23 yes 17:35:39 i am the best 17:35:48 ...at being the worst 17:36:08 my first code contribution caused every blink frog blink to crash the game, and also killed players by causing them to blink onto deep water 17:36:16 we all have our accomplishments 17:36:32 <|amethyst> %git :/crash frog 17:36:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-2377-g92d52c9: Make crash frogs blink frogs again. 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92d52c9cc9ef 17:37:03 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:26 iirc you linked that one at the time, too :) 17:37:28 good commit 17:37:58 i think my first commit was a bunch of snakes 17:38:04 and everyone hated them 17:38:55 ssss 17:39:26 itym SSSS 17:39:34 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:40:18 imagine me shaking my fist at console players 17:41:55 !send PleasingFungus magically-fired crossbow bolts 17:41:56 Sending magically-fired crossbow bolts to PleasingFungus. 17:42:12 heh 17:42:21 you hear a thunk 17:42:31 !send wheals a triplet of thunks 17:42:32 Sending a triplet of thunks to wheals. 17:42:32 PleasingFungus: common expert player opinion seems to be that Vashnia is a pushover with proper tactics, so it goes to show that most players are not good tacticians :) 17:42:41 !killratio Vashnia . 17:42:42 Vashnia wins 0.0% of battles against Grunt. 17:43:04 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:16 I suppose I don't feel especially strongly about it 17:43:16 i wouldn't trust most players to even lead a platoon 17:43:20 thought it was funny, though 17:43:52 1fight Lamia band v Vashnia band 17:44:03 hm. I wonder if vash should get a chance at spawning with a 3xbow? that might be a nerf, with monster math. 17:44:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:44:08 (actually Vashnia band does surprisingly well against a lot of foes) 17:44:11 I hate monster combat math. have I ever said that? 17:44:20 Grunt: highlights? 17:44:23 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:44:24 (Most monsters are not good tacticians either! Go figure.) 17:44:25 hm 17:44:41 oh here's a popular one 17:44:55 !fight Vashnia band v Saint Roka band delay:100 t:3 17:45:20 rip 17:45:23 yeah not surprised at that one 17:45:23 yeah rip 17:45:29 !fight Vashnia band v Mennas delay:100 t:3 17:45:34 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:47 huh 17:45:50 rip 17:45:51 They did unusually poorly there! 17:45:53 dang 17:46:03 mennas too strong 17:46:03 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:03 (usually it's 2-1 or 3-0 for the elite marksnagas) 17:46:03 1fight vashnia band v menna band 17:46:07 !fight Vashnia band v Lom Lobon delay:100 t:3 17:46:15 ahahahahahaha 17:46:18 ahahaha 17:46:20 oh my god 17:46:23 The Perfect Kill 17:46:24 wow 17:46:34 2-1, not bad 17:46:49 (well, 2-1 in lom's favor, but still) 17:47:36 todo: M_SPELL_SPAMMER 17:47:45 todo: make mons spell code not bad??? 17:48:27 tbh I've never really looked at monster spell choice code. maybe it's actually really good 17:49:04 they're actually fairly smart about many things 17:49:17 ...then there are some things they are not smart about 17:49:29 e.g. fireball placement 17:50:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:50:18 !banish ontoclasm 17:50:18 PleasingFungus casts a spell. ontoclasm is devoured by a tear in reality! 17:50:40 whoa, crd mail! 17:52:19 man, looking at my old commits is kind of weird 17:52:44 a lot of the stuff i did in the first few months i am currently in the process of replacing 17:54:07 rip 17:55:03 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:39 also i am still waiting for somebody to make a monster for UNUSED/mon/spirit.png 17:56:00 I am still waiting for someone to generate a bunch of bad zombie tiles :) 17:58:06 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:58:51 !source rltiles/UNUSED/mon/spirit.png 17:58:52 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/UNUSED/mon/spirit.png;hb=HEAD 17:58:57 aw 17:59:01 ...the b in bh stands for badzombie obviously 17:59:12 is there a reason there are four normal-looking books in UNUSED/books? 17:59:14 Grunt: something like that 17:59:36 ontoclasm: we're going to add mundane books to crawl so that players have something to read while adventuring. 17:59:50 ??bh 17:59:50 bh[1/4]: When it comes to stupid ideas, I'm your man. 18:00:04 ontoclasm: they're very boring books. 18:00:17 * Grunt throws the book at PleasingFungus. 18:00:18 ??trivia[spirit 18:00:20 trivia[15/27]: There existed unused monsters called spirits, which are holy undead. Speed 4, tries to flee with blinking takes around 180 to 220 turns since spawned to transform into a random other holy. Unused, doesn't really exist, and would be quite awkward to use. 18:00:23 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/UNUSED/monsters/spirit.png;h=6b5d9d4e1d05d93dbe85fa6a39b98d23ff9b57a2;hb=HEAD 18:00:34 someone did, and someone with more wisdom removed it 18:00:43 a new monster, clearly! 18:00:58 wheals: oh, i know spirits existed 18:01:06 ontoclasm: that's the spirit 18:01:19 oh! that was the thing I was trying to remember! 18:01:19 hm, spirit crabs 18:01:25 we should make an unkillable monster that just gets in the way :) 18:01:34 I was talking with nrook about tmut mechanics 18:01:37 * ontoclasm prays and is filled with the power of NO_GOD! 18:01:40 !send bh test spawners 18:01:40 Sending test spawners to bh. 18:01:46 * Grunt suffers the terrible wrath of No God. 18:02:07 right now it's essentially the UC combat school, with a few other mechanics; it might be good to give it other mechanics that are within its purview 18:02:20 like how necromancy has "permanent allies", "draining", and "healing" as its mechanics 18:02:52 or just rename tm to magical puncher 18:03:06 well, that's what the transmuter background does, yes 18:03:16 but idk that it's what the *school* needs to be restricted to? 18:03:45 specifically the thought was to go off sticks to snakes (which obviously itself needs a little fixing) & also give tmut the "expending permanent resources for effects" mechanic 18:03:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 18:04:03 IMO the "friendly snakes" mechanic 18:04:09 PleasingFungus: please no 18:04:22 the issue with permanent resources is that it leads to players running around hoovering the dungeon 18:04:26 ??wiki 18:04:27 wiki[1/1]: The development wiki (which is open to non-developers!) is located at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=DCSS:start . For more information about the "other" wiki, on Chaosforge, see {badwiki} 18:04:32 make most earth stuff earth/tmut 18:04:35 obv 18:04:38 bh: only if they're resources you don't otherwise want 18:04:51 if you had to burn haste pots you'd have them with you in any case 18:05:07 ontoclasm: yeah, but that narrows us down to stuff like good_pots, good_scrolls and good_wands 18:05:41 well, or stuff like maxhp 18:05:45 tmut had poly other which was arguably ok 18:05:53 I don't really see a "hoovering" objection, now that item weight & item destruction aren't a thing 18:06:05 yeah, poly other seems fine, idk why it got removed 18:06:13 it's just "using up item slots", which is a mechanic I am perfectly happy to play with 18:06:20 probably something with scumming but you can't get hides or anything now 18:06:24 %git :/oly 18:06:24 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2250-g6aa080c: Fix a missing floor tile in Holy Pan 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6aa080c084b3 18:06:26 and you can't poly your allies since they hate you 18:06:41 it was basically never used and duplicated a wand 18:06:55 rip 18:07:02 put it in tm book 18:07:06 confusion, haste, and slow all duplicate wands too 18:07:09 i wonder whether the new degen card (usually lower HD) could work as a fairly high level spell 18:07:10 there, used 18:07:23 eb_mobile: that's not ideal either! 18:07:30 oh sorry 18:07:34 ontoclasm: that's (etc) 18:07:44 all of those but haste are in starting books, though 18:07:53 and haste is whatever 18:08:11 well i mean, it could go in like... the AM book or something 18:08:55 doesn't sound particularly synergistic, tbh? 18:08:58 is that even a word 18:09:30 yeah 18:09:40 yeah, apparently 18:09:47 not a very good one tho 18:09:51 I just know that it was removed almost exactly when I realised/decided it was really good and I was bummed 18:09:54 we don't really have a role that's based around "generically weaken your enemies" 18:09:54 haha 18:10:11 i don't think that it's a very popular/use playstyle though 18:10:59 PleasingFungus: you've heard of the "reverse alchemy" spell idea, right? 18:11:18 n 18:11:27 gozag? 18:11:33 spend gold for... something 18:11:41 o 18:11:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 18:11:51 yred: necro :: gozag : this i guess 18:11:52 that could fit in this mechanic 18:11:53 sublimation of ca$h 18:11:56 haha 18:12:07 random somethings? 18:12:18 no, i think it just depends on the suggestion 18:12:38 simplest would be "damage" i suppose 18:13:09 the thing I was thinking of was turning ignite poison into a "convert badpots into some kind of ranged fire attack (ranged sticky flame?)" effect. The Return Of Stalker. that is probably a bad idea but idk 18:13:34 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:39 I was thinking about it as I was falling asleep last night and i just remembered it so I might as well type it out now 18:13:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:39 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:16:03 wow someone wrote a lot of text on the wiki page for tmut 18:16:09 there's a wiki????? 18:16:22 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:16:25 also a link would be nice 18:16:35 haven't you read the glorious deep elf enchanter of sif muna guide 18:16:38 oh wait do you mean chaosforge or devwiki 18:16:41 I assumed the latter 18:16:58 the DEEn guide was amaing 18:17:00 amazing* 18:17:08 perhaps even.. High Quality 18:17:12 link that too!!! 18:17:18 http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Berder%27s_Deep_Elf_Enchanter_of_Sif_Muna_guide#Dealing_Enough_Damage 18:17:21 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:schools:transmutation 18:17:32 wow, there's a suggestion for a holy form 18:17:38 i am truly a psychic 18:17:45 some kind of past psychic 18:19:34 Shark Maw (Tmut 1, Morph) - replaces your head with a shark-head, giving you a nice secondary unarmed attack. 18:19:37 why isn't this in 18:19:42 what is wrong with you people 18:21:05 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:07 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:23:33 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:02 oh dang it's berder! 18:26:13 potatolizard: it's in, it's called beastly appendage 18:26:18 no it isn't 18:26:26 it doesn't give me a damn shark head 18:26:29 haha 18:26:37 SHARK. HEAD. 18:26:50 also fr shark player species 18:26:51 -!- category has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:59 hm, that's an odd bug 18:27:09 _Your +0 vampiric scimitar {Erica _ 18:27:34 sould continue: {Erica <3} thirsts for whatever! 18:27:40 but it just prints that underscore 18:27:43 hm, stoneskin suggestion is just "lesser statue form" 18:27:56 in that devpage 18:28:26 i assume the < is causing the problem 18:28:38 I would really be fine with just merging statue form & stoneskin into one spell (which is probably the same thing as dropping stoneskin, tbh), if not for vague concerns of hurting the ee start 18:28:44 yes, < in an inscription does weird things 18:28:46 stoneskin is in the ee start, right? 18:28:50 it is 18:29:39 aight 18:29:59 do people actually *cast* it very much in the ee start? 18:30:23 i do sometimes, but it's not that great 18:30:58 it should give you lots of GDR~~ 18:31:30 I cast it when I melee things at xl2 or xl3 18:31:43 except I don't because I want to use my mp on sandblast/stone arrow instead 18:31:48 then I forget it exists 18:31:53 ontoclasm: instead, remove gdr 18:31:56 potatolizard: yeah p much 18:32:10 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: this one should work fine: ♥ 18:32:22 <|amethyst> does < mess up because of tags 18:32:40 <|amethyst> colour tags I mean 18:32:46 i cast stoneskin on 36.27% of my EEs 18:32:48 could be, > works fine 18:32:52 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32:53 <|amethyst> because if so it seems like we could just escape them just before colourizing 18:33:14 <|amethyst> aha 18:33:19 <|amethyst> a - a +0 cutlass 18:33:19 <|amethyst> Inscribe with what? foobarbaz 18:33:19 <|amethyst> _a - a +0 cutlass {foobarbaz} 18:33:31 minmay: seems nontrivial. how are you arriving at that number? 18:33:39 <|amethyst> with "barbaz}" in darkred and "" in lightred 18:34:04 |amethyst: POWERFUL secret inscription tech 18:34:08 <|amethyst> I imagine we don't actually intend to let players put colour tags into their inscriptions 18:34:15 :) 18:34:27 at the very least, we probably don't intend to let them put in malformed tags 18:34:33 brb, inscribing all my equipment with rainbows 18:34:46 potatolizard: quick, before the devs nerf & ruin it! 18:34:56 -!- Cigarettes has quit [Client Quit] 18:34:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:14 <|amethyst> hm, this builds, ship it! 18:35:17 haha 18:35:30 <|amethyst> maybe someone should double-check that I haven't screwed up any logic 18:36:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-233-gd6375ca: Refactor common penance/piety checks (wheals) 10(73 minutes ago, 21 files, 69+ 112-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6375ca080db 18:36:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-234-gd97fa94: Move player_under_penance to religion.h 10(29 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d97fa94ca742 18:36:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-235-ga6b68ce: Unbrace 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6b68cef4ceb 18:36:16 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:36:22 good unbrace commit 18:36:54 reminds me, I need to recreate my darn git hooks, since accidentally deleted my primary git dir 18:37:00 haha 18:37:01 pro 18:37:04 or rather I deleted it for a move thinking I had made a backup 18:37:38 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:04 <|amethyst> gah 18:38:07 <|amethyst> I a word 18:38:25 !send |amethyst DECK 18:38:25 Sending DECK to |amethyst. 18:38:50 ??word 18:38:50 word ~ words[1/4]: dear deck demo desk dram fear foam ghee gram hack haen hear heck hehe hewn hoar hock homo hone husk loam lobe lock lone mien mine muck musk open spam spar spas teak team tear teas teen tram tree trie 18:39:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-236-ga063fed: A word. 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a063fed720a8 18:39:43 wow, I'd thought I had a word win,guess not....oh wait yes 18:39:44 ghee 18:39:58 http://i.imgur.com/Xx2Dolh.png 18:40:00 glorious 18:40:03 !lg . ghee won x=tiles 18:40:04 1. [tiles=false] gammafunk the Petrodigitator (L27 GhEE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2013-07-03 04:08:37, with 2319064 points after 132910 turns and 19:15:35. 18:40:10 sounds like |amethyst will 18:40:11 be 18:40:12 !glasses 18:40:13 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 18:40:13 decked out 18:40:14 ??? 18:40:25 !send Grunt slow claps 18:40:25 Sending slow claps to Grunt. 18:40:40 good news, I think ...I might be a coolplayer 18:40:56 !lg . ghee won -tv 18:40:56 ??coolplayer 18:40:57 1. gammafunk, XL27 GhEE, T:132910 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 18:40:57 coolplayer ~ coolplayers[1/1]: Players who have won at least one combo that makes a word online in 80x24 console using vikeys or arrows+numrow or an external numpad. 18:41:02 hahaha 18:41:11 yessss 18:41:18 it was after I fixed my termsize 18:41:20 good hobgoblin shatter 18:41:33 PleasingFungus: you think I'm gonna let him one-shot me? 18:41:42 +12 clubs man. not even once 18:41:53 !lg . @word won 18:41:53 No games for Grunt (@word won). 18:41:55 !lg . word won 18:41:56 1. SGrunt the Heavyweight Champion (L26 TrAM of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-01-07 19:12:00, with 1420749 points after 101050 turns and 4:40:13. 18:41:57 ^ 18:41:58 I 18:42:01 am a coolplayer 18:42:01 nice 18:42:01 somehow 18:42:05 how do we edit that? 18:42:10 <|amethyst> did you know that "gammafunk" is an anagram of "mm auk fang" ? 18:42:11 exactly 18:42:22 |amethyst: is that vietnamese or something? 18:42:26 ??grammafunk 18:42:26 grammafunk ~ gammafunk[1/11]: TODO: cut monster-in-wall code, vault guards wielding while zerked, ally piety, arte granting sinv + evocable break unseen invis, save the liches, maybe sub death cobs for jiangshi at lower prob., monsters resisting elemental attacks could id their armour? 18:42:31 extremely correct. 18:42:44 !lg @coolplayers 18:42:45 41609. BirdoPrey the Slicer (L10 MuAr of Gozag), slain by an orc (a +0 club) on D:8 on 2014-08-20 19:04:52, with 6706 points after 12930 turns and 0:24:41. 18:42:50 ok, how do we edit those? 18:42:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I see you've never been bitten by a seabird 18:42:57 !nick coolplayers 18:42:58 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris 18:43:11 !lg gammafunk ghee won -tv 18:43:12 1. gammafunk, XL27 GhEE, T:132910 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 18:43:24 so !nick coolplayers gammafunk ? 18:43:26 -!- Jeremiah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:43:40 !nick coolplayers gammafunk 18:43:41 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris gammafunk 18:43:58 theglow, wow good company 18:44:00 so... does anyone want the android signing keys? 18:44:04 I can't relaly do anything with them 18:44:06 ??coolplayers 18:44:06 coolplayers[1/1]: Players who have won at least one combo that makes a word online in 80x24 console using vikeys or arrows+numrow or an external numpad. 18:44:13 bh: I may be able to do something with them! 18:44:43 !learn add coolplayers I am a coolplayer how do we edit that 18:44:43 coolplayers[2/2]: I am a coolplayer how do we edit that 18:44:48 haha 18:44:50 now I get it 18:44:56 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:44:56 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:44:57 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:45:09 !learn edit coolplayers[2] s/how.*/so, how do we edit those?/ 18:45:09 coolplayers[2/2]: I am a coolplayer so, how do we edit those? 18:45:47 http://i.imgur.com/Lr4SKCF.png 18:45:50 hm 18:45:51 I figured out an even better way! 18:47:52 gammafunk, I'm thinking about your spidersack nerf 18:48:03 nerf? 18:48:07 ya 18:48:11 I'd view it as a buff 18:48:13 well 18:48:15 it wasn't 18:48:19 after having played with it for a while 18:48:36 monsters basically don't get webbed now 18:48:41 which is not ideal 18:48:44 it's very dangerous to try to move around surrounded by webs 18:48:54 no my testing didn't show that, nor did my gameplay really 18:49:01 on the other hand, it pretty much guaranteed webbing your enemies 18:49:01 or rather the gameplay I've observed 18:49:03 and then you could stab them 18:49:27 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:49:36 I think giving you safe movement with maybe a couple turns or two of movement is better than repeated webbing 18:49:45 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:56 perhaps for a pure stabber it's better the old way maybe, but even then the issue is just how unsafe it was 18:50:06 potatolizard: 1learn add epic_bugs 18:50:12 and of course in some situations old sack was less unsafe 18:50:24 I'm not sure if this qualifies as epic 18:50:39 I don't even understand the bug 18:50:51 PleasingFungus: color tags work in inscriptions 18:50:54 gammafunk: idk. maybe I'm just in love with the Way Things Were 18:51:04 ontoclasm: oh I wasn't even looking there 18:51:10 fantastic 18:51:11 (i'm okay with this being the case) 18:51:25 (however it doesn't work in some places and it should be consistent) 18:51:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:52:21 certainly many had expressed annoyance (myself included) at the safety tradeoff; it was too dangerous to use far too often 18:52:22 (also probably someone should make sure this doesn't do something horrible if you have malformed tags) 18:52:33 !send Crawl_1.1 18:52:33 Sending to Crawl_1.1. 18:52:44 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:45 er 18:52:47 !send Crawl_1.1 PleasingFungus 18:52:47 Sending PleasingFungus to Crawl_1.1. 18:52:47 :( 18:53:03 !send Grunt summon vampire 18:53:04 Sending summon vampire to Grunt. 18:53:08 I guess that was 1.0 18:53:10 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:53:11 i wonder if somebody has like, the first version of crawl linley released 18:53:23 still the best bug 18:53:23 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:53:40 !send PleasingFungus buggly things 18:53:40 Sending buggly things to PleasingFungus. 18:54:33 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:00 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:28 you know what might be fun 18:55:28 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:55:33 if that sack were like cone-targetted 18:55:42 spewed webs and spiders in direction of the enemy 18:56:00 arachniate 18:56:09 it was the "surrounded by webs in all directions" that people like me had a problem with 18:56:32 as long as you rename it to spider cannon 18:56:33 cone-targeted spidersack would be hilarious 18:56:49 You open the sack, and things fly out! 18:56:54 foosh 18:57:03 not that I didn't like watching roshnak killing himself on v:5 with old scak of spiders shortly after it was created 18:57:19 s/scak/sack/ 18:57:21 !git :/visceral 18:57:22 %git :/visceral 18:57:22 Could not find commit :/visceral (git returned 128) 18:57:32 that was 18:57:34 interesting 18:57:40 !git :/{visceral} 18:57:40 %git :/{visceral} 18:57:40 Could not find commit :/{visceral} (git returned 128) 18:57:43 ugh 18:57:51 i hate syntax 18:58:04 %git :/visc 18:58:04 07elliptic02 * 0.13-a0-332-g152d603: Bring back politicians. 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=152d6030a893 18:59:16 !lg roshnak place=v:5 18:59:17 8. Roshnak the Executioner (L20 MiBe of Trog), blasted by an ancient lich (bolt of negative energy) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2014-03-31 23:16:18, with 324804 points after 27535 turns and 2:40:11. 18:59:24 !lg roshnak place=v:5 -tv 18:59:24 8. Roshnak, XL20 MiBe, T:27535 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 19:00:12 eh, not the right game 19:00:46 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:09 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:02:16 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:21 -!- Meriados has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:03:17 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:07:14 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:16 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:33 I suppose this is an idea with zero support -- could we remove zigs? 19:18:04 yes please 19:18:43 or make having the orb an entry requirement :) 19:19:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:43 when you pick up the orb, a zig portal appears nearby 19:22:17 and that's the only zig portal generated, except that Zig:27 always has another 19:22:18 Why in particular do you want to remove zigs? 19:22:52 they're silly loot towers 19:23:07 I sort of wish that zigs were rare treats rather than guaranteed things 19:23:56 do you mean just remove the one guaranteed one 19:23:59 well, requiring the rb would place them solidly outside of the actual game 19:24:02 orb* 19:24:04 well, scumming for them in pan isn't good 19:24:25 like, there'd be no dipping in to grab loot 19:24:39 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 19:24:48 I don't think that dipping in to grab loot is a big problem 19:24:58 i think zigs have the interesting thing going for them where they balance risk and reward w/r/t going deeper 19:25:08 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:23 yes 19:25:26 bh best dev 19:25:29 remove zigs 2014 19:25:38 remove zigsprint with it too for good measure 19:25:41 I just wish that zigs were more like portal vaults I guess - cool things that don't show up every game 19:26:28 i don't see why they need to be removed, lots of people love doing them in super-post-game 19:26:54 at which point the loot is irrelevant, it's just for kicks 19:27:18 I am not a super big zig fan myself, but some people like them & I don't think they do any harm 19:27:28 !bug 8889 19:27:28 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 19:27:31 I think that is the worst "use" of zigs - some glorified victory lap for chars that were obviously made from the beginning to stomp zigs - but I can see a place in the game for that so w/e 19:27:33 i was planning to work on the one zig per game with zig evokable at bottom idea over tourney 19:28:07 zig evokable? 19:28:17 you evoke it for a zig 19:28:20 oh 19:28:30 eb_: on the other hand sometimes they die and it's glorious 19:28:39 heh 19:28:41 wheals: sounds like the horn 19:28:41 I don't really see why we need to give players infinite zigs just so that they can have fun stomping them over and over 19:29:03 because some people apparently like that (???), and it doesn't really do any harm for the rest of us? 19:29:05 sure, some people enjoy it, but "some people enjoy it" is not sufficient justification to have something in the game 19:29:24 alternate proposal: make Zigs go down forever 19:29:44 there is only one ziggurat, ever, but it never ends 19:29:46 I think we really need to ask what the purpose of zigs is 19:29:50 my problem with zigs is that it creates an extremely arbitrary measure of "efficiency" or whatever that lies outside of the actual game 19:30:12 people who think zigs matter are dumb, though 19:30:14 people will always think dumb things 19:30:17 since zigs have zero subtlety 19:30:31 PleasingFungus: we encourage people to think that zigs matter by placing one in D every game though 19:30:45 yeah I have no strong feeling on keeping the depths zig around 19:30:56 it's kind of nice that non-extended players get a chance at a zig 19:30:58 they are one of very few guaranteed features in the main dungeon 19:30:59 i think the depths zig serves to tempt the player into taking risk 19:31:10 since non-extended zigs are a hell of a lot more interesting than victory-lap zigs 19:31:10 placing it as post-orb doesn't really make it look like it matters less tbh 19:31:19 PleasingFungus: yeah, I certainly don't like the pan zig situation 19:31:27 since people already think extended matters more than the regular game since it happens "after" it 19:31:31 i think it's nice to have zigs but they should be clearly outside the 3-rune, and maybe even the 15-rune game 19:31:33 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:31:40 so putting zigs as post-orb will make them look even more valuable 19:31:45 I think it might be okay to make the depths zig non-guaranteed 19:31:55 like other portal vaults 19:32:23 what was the original reasoning on making them guaranteed? 19:32:23 if you're going to put them outside the 15 rune game 19:32:32 PleasingFungus: to save people from having to scum pan 19:32:37 personally I would like to see the depths zig be non-guaranteed and make zigs not appear elsewhere, but I know other people disagree 19:32:39 you're kind of removing the one interesting thing they have 19:32:57 i mean, currently a pan zig is "guaranteed" in the sense that you will -eventually- find one 19:33:11 it just might take 300 floors 19:33:21 yeah, pan zig scumming is the worst thing 19:33:40 how about make zigs guaranteed but close after you have fulfilled some condition 19:33:41 depths zig seems like a bad bandaid for that though 19:33:44 well, I have established opinions about pans 19:33:46 that happens before the end of a regular game 19:33:47 *pan length 19:33:47 the only reason why pan zigs still exist is for the people who want to scum infinite zigs 19:33:51 and pan generally 19:33:57 and I'm not sure this is a good reason 19:34:15 (I say this as someone who has done a ton of zig-scumming in the past) 19:34:15 elliptic: that's why i suggested one infinite zig 19:34:28 eventually you'll hit a point where you can't continue, and that's it, you're done 19:34:35 (or you die of course) 19:34:59 if you made pan 4 floors (no intermediate exits), you'd solve both the zig problem, the pan problem, and the "hell effects aren't dangerous enough" problem in one stroke! 19:35:00 infinite zigsprint 19:35:01 :) 19:35:26 ontoclasm: there is a certain satisfaction to "finishing" a zig, perhaps? 19:35:47 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:36:00 well, put a fancy "I'M A WINNER" button on Zig:27 19:36:49 they can put it on and consider themselves extra special! 19:37:09 exclusive hat 19:37:15 yes 19:37:44 the +0 Fedora of Zot 19:38:37 i mean, i doubt even zigscummers enjoy the part where they find the next zig and then mash tab from Zig:1 to Zig:17 or whatever 19:38:52 they want the big dangerous crazy floors at the bottom 19:39:16 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:39:23 so why not give them what they want (and thus lead them to death by Extreme Hubris)? 19:40:46 that could work 19:41:21 one issue is that we can't make the zig *really* be infinite, of course 19:41:55 well, yeah 19:41:58 (we can however have a level with 200 pan lords taking up every empty square) 19:42:04 yet if it's not infinite someone will clear it anyway! 19:42:13 Zig:32767 contains the +1 Fedora of Zot!!! 19:42:43 <|amethyst> {rHubris--} 19:48:05 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:50:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:51:00 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:59 -!- hauzer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:51 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:00:10 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:00:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-237-g1944588: Remove some dead code 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1944588a81d5 20:02:43 DEAD CODE claws you but does no damage. 20:02:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:00 ouch! 20:04:05 hm, kinda wish I wrote down the location of elliptic's tournament page repo 20:04:39 ??t[5 20:04:39 tournament[5/5]: Tourney scoring scripts: http://github.com/elliptic/dcss_tourney . 20:04:48 that looks plausible 20:04:51 https://github.com/elliptic/dcss_tourney/commits/master 20:04:54 oh, beaten to it 20:05:01 ty both! 20:13:22 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:27 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:19:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-238-g990132c: Make you.zigs_completed available to dlua. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=990132cf261b 20:20:13 ominous... 20:24:34 dang 20:26:50 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:28:52 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:29:55 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:29:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:18 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:29 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 20:33:01 what did we decide on for the new version of speed demon 3? 3 hours? 20:33:39 !lg * won dur<=10800 s=dur o=-dur 20:33:39 209 games for * (won dur<=10800): 0:31:58, 0:41:19, 2x 0:45:16, 0:50:18, 0:53:35, 1:05:11, 1:07:32, 1:08:12, 1:08:43, 1:11:35, 1:11:51, 1:12:33, 1:14:27, 1:14:41, 1:16:06, 1:19:26, 1:20:40, 1:25:04, 1:25:36, 1:26:10, 1:28:55, 1:29:32, 1:33:21, 1:35:00, 1:37:10, 1:37:14, 1:39:28, 1:39:33, 1:39:38, 1:40:17, 1:40:38, 1:40:55, 1:41:47, 1:42:21, 1:45:04, 1:45:58, 1:48:01, 1:48:18, 1:48:42, 1:48:54, 1:4... 20:33:49 trying to remember 20:34:41 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:40:03 what do you think about this: portals don't time out but they close if you leave the level 20:40:32 so no more hot and cold game but you still have to decide if you can take the portal on 20:40:44 nah 20:40:53 nah? 20:40:55 I really like the "rush for the portal" gameplay 20:40:57 t b h 20:41:00 i did support something like that at one point but i decided what pf said 20:41:17 the main thing I'd like is to improve the wording of the silly hot/cold messages 20:42:12 * wheals closes PleasingFungus's flag. 20:42:33 gross 20:42:58 * Grunt flags down PleasingFungus. 20:43:19 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43:29 * PleasingFungus runs away! 20:43:37 * Grunt trips PleasingFungus. 20:43:53 Ouch! That really hurt... 20:44:40 PleasingFungus: what about when hear the message it gives a direction too? 20:44:59 north/east/south/west 20:44:59 -!- markgo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:09 no strong opinion 20:45:30 make it easier to find the portal without mmap, but you still have to rush there 20:46:26 it's just annoying when you don't have mmap 20:47:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:12 I don't really find it annoying 20:47:20 lower the distance range for each message and add more messages to fill the gaps 20:47:27 also: elliptic, you probably don't need to keep tourney-awards.txt around 20:47:43 yeah, that would suffice probably, read 20:49:52 i think _destroy_tentacle and _destroy_tentacles should not use KILL_MISC, but rather _RESET or _DISMISSED 20:50:04 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 20:50:14 since KILL_MISC gets recorded in the logfile and dumpfile, which seems bad, for example: 20:50:26 !lg * urune=3 max=kills x=kills 20:50:27 15762. [kills=18306] rubinko the Acrobat (L25 FeTm of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-08-20 07:11:50, with 1215507 points after 148424 turns and 11:51:14. 20:50:47 ^^mostly from the eldritch tentacle in golubria 20:50:58 i'm not sure what other consequences the change would have 20:51:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:52:15 PleasingFungus: do you want to delete MOOSE AND SQUIRREL AWARD ;_; 20:52:23 ??t 20:52:23 tournament[1/5]: The 0.15 tournament will start on August 29. 20:52:54 moose and squirrel award will live on forever in our hearts. 20:53:21 meese and squirrels 20:53:56 Should mummies be eligible for the "no using consumables" banners? 20:54:26 and our git repos 20:54:26 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:54:36 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:52 getting a mummy to lair without scrolls is probably harder than getting most races to lair without scrolls + potions 20:54:58 true 20:55:18 I'm just guessing though because mummies are stupid and horrible so I don't play them 20:55:34 haha 20:55:36 !hs . mu 20:55:36 No games for PleasingFungus (mu). 20:55:52 <|amethyst> !hs mu mu 20:55:53 35. itsmu the Eclecticist (L27 MuFE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-12-18 12:18:17, with 1275336 points after 133717 turns and 8:21:28. 20:55:59 it's mu! 20:56:24 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:43 <|amethyst> He's justified and he's ancient, and he likes to roam the land 20:57:51 !hs eb mu 20:57:51 16. ebarrett the Fetichist (L27 MuNe of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-09-04 05:11:05, with 1465498 points after 96914 turns and 10:57:48. 20:58:08 insufficiently dedicated your ideals, expect immediate termination 20:58:13 rip 20:58:14 rip 20:58:19 PleasingFungus: mummy doing that banner is fine 20:58:31 PleasingFungus: also yeah, there's a lot of old junk in the repo :P 20:58:39 I like the TODOs 20:58:43 hm 20:59:12 we never settled on a good set of tiers for the no-consumables banner 20:59:22 temple/lair end/rune 20:59:23 you weren't happy with the temple as the first banner 20:59:24 yes 20:59:26 it's okay 20:59:28 aight 20:59:34 then I won't have to rewrite all this :) 21:00:20 I'm not ecstatic about it but couldn't come up with anything better 21:00:42 rip 21:01:31 so how do I actually test this thing? the readme mentions sql - is there something simpler I could do to just test the page generation? 21:01:38 I really don't want to fuck around with mysql 21:01:49 also yeah, I think what was decided for speed demon was D:15 in 27 minutes, rune in 81 minutes, win in 3 hours 21:01:59 yeah I checked the logs and that seems to have been it 21:02:03 PleasingFungus: you can just run python update_index.py 21:02:08 and fo banned only for first? 21:02:12 wheals: yep 21:02:15 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:48 thinking about THE PROPHET's tiers. "reaching with an invo title" seems somehow too gameable, even for this banner. "reaching level 9 with an invo title" seems like it might be better? 21:05:59 what are the tiers currently? 21:06:29 level 9 is too low to expect an invo title IMO, that is pretty restrictive on character 21:06:45 I: level with invo title. II: win with invo title: III: over the course of the tournament, win with 3 different invo titles. 21:07:37 so the problem is that "level with invo title" isn't trackable 21:07:47 ah, okay. I was wondering about that 21:07:50 because reaching a given xl doesn't create a milestone 21:07:57 I noticed there was a "reach level 9 with a nemelex choice's char" 21:08:05 but I guess that's just checked on death? 21:08:05 right, but that can be checked at game end 21:08:07 yeah 21:08:08 right 21:08:12 h m. 21:08:26 maybe your first rune? 21:08:36 or just "get a rune with an invocations title"? 21:09:31 that could work, though getting a rune alone puts it among the least accessible tier I banners 21:09:38 true 21:09:47 I'd say "enter lair with invo title" is fine 21:10:02 if people really want to delay lair until later (maybe for another banner), more power to them :) 21:10:05 it's so gameable :( but so's everything else so w/e 21:10:11 I Will Survive 21:10:16 <|amethyst> the tournament is a game after all 21:10:22 the important thing is that they get a cool title IMO 21:10:23 a game....!?!? 21:10:34 elliptic: v true 21:10:57 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11:26 <|amethyst> and three different invo titles, or three different gods' invo titles? 21:12:01 |amethyst: they're both gameable with roughly equal ease 21:12:03 that might be better actually 21:12:06 PleasingFungus: not really 21:12:14 well okay you can convert on orbrun 21:12:16 sure they are. just abandon & convert on the orb run 21:12:17 <|amethyst> well, three different means you could play the same game three times 21:12:18 yes 21:12:19 <|amethyst> ah 21:12:21 <|amethyst> I see 21:12:21 but that is at least slightly dangerous 21:12:27 *slightly* 21:12:32 eh. I can do that 21:12:50 I suppose there's no real advantage to encourage people to get different titles from the same god 21:13:10 and if people want to cheese it in that way, it would at least add a tiny element of challenge 21:13:15 I guess getting 3 nemelex invo titles is sort of cool 21:13:31 either way is fine I think 21:13:48 well, the way you'd do that is by hitting 5 a few times until your piety goes down 21:14:25 we aren't requiring the 6* invo title in any case, nor even particularly encouraging it, so people can always get funny titles (or penance titles!) 21:14:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:35 -!- MgDark is now known as MgDark_HuIE 21:14:38 imho we should also support atheist invo titles 21:14:42 GOD_NO_GOD is the only god for me 21:15:38 on a different topic, does anyone who is comfortable with the travel code want to think about http://bpaste.net/show/eef659f59957 ? It fixes #7643 but I'm not familiar enough with this code to be sure it doesn't break anything else 21:15:47 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 21:16:00 PleasingFungus: yeah, I just meant that some people might really love nemelex titles or something 21:16:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:14 and yes, certainly atheist titles should be supported either way 21:16:19 !title invocations nemelex 21:16:23 invocations nemelex: Hand of Fortune, Pannier, Soothsayer, Jester, Cardsharp, Fortune-Teller, Magus 21:16:28 not too bad 21:17:06 I just realized - that'd doing a sequell query, isn't it? 21:17:11 (that's 21:17:19 yep 21:17:30 and sequell only knows from actual games that have been played 21:17:43 hence all those "shapeless foo" results 21:17:49 and all the other race variants 21:18:01 !rng different_gods same_gods xom 21:18:02 The RNG chooses: xom. 21:18:03 !rng different_gods same_gods 21:18:03 The RNG chooses: same_gods. 21:18:09 yeah, !title is one of the hackier commands 21:18:17 hm. what was I actually thinking when I put those options into rng 21:18:28 oh right 21:18:34 -!- sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:18:47 whether to allow titles from the same god? 21:18:55 and apparently the answer is "yes" 21:19:00 yes and yes 21:19:09 I was trying to remember which option corresponded to which 21:19:13 (waiting around is inefficient and slightly risky on orbrun, you want to put on and remove repeatedly a "faith) 21:19:18 hahaha 21:19:24 that's how i got shrek 21:19:30 ...how you what 21:19:35 !lg . og 21:19:36 58. wheals the Green Ogre (L27 OgAs of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-28 12:31:02, with 1430503 points after 96052 turns and 3:37:43. 21:19:39 niiice 21:19:50 green being the lowest tier for fedhas 21:19:52 oh. we should fix "walking fertilizer" before the tournament if we're doing the invo title thing 21:19:55 I guess 21:20:01 it's a critical bug now!! 21:20:05 <|amethyst> elliptic: re that patch, I don't see any correctness problems, but I'd profile autoexploring 21:20:06 by we I mean I 21:21:05 for verbs, you may wish to look at the list for plane or the list for move prompts 21:21:08 Do we want any of these to be worth tournament points? New-Speed-Demon-III or New-Ruthless-Efficiency-III? 21:21:16 wheals: yeah probably 21:21:22 speed demon is already worth points 21:21:36 because you get points for your personal fastest win 21:21:37 ruthless efficiency iii sounds points-worthy 21:21:43 ah, okay 21:21:54 <|amethyst> The fertilisers are walking! 21:21:55 ruthless efficiency iii could be a small number of points if you want 21:22:31 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:22:40 -!- HoneyLocust has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:01 +25, like Vow of Courage III? I think that's the smallest denomination currently given out 21:23:29 sounds fine to me 21:23:38 the crawlers are fertilising! 21:24:11 ha 21:24:28 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:24:28 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:10 !banish wheals 21:25:10 PleasingFungus miscasts Banishment. PleasingFungus is cast into the Abyss! 21:25:13 ...welp 21:26:43 * wheals zaps a wand. wheals's connection looks more stable. 21:26:43 |amethyst: what sort of profiling? I've done some lazy profiling already, by which I mean that it doesn't have a noticeable effect on qw speed :P 21:26:48 (i hope) 21:26:57 elliptic: &O perhaps? 21:27:19 <|amethyst> elliptic: ah, mostly that, assuming qw uses autoexplore 21:27:35 <|amethyst> maybe timing &O, yeah 21:27:36 oh, a bug i noticed: wheals' ghost, IMO it should be wheals's 21:28:09 yeah, all of qw's movement is autoexplore or ctrl-Fing for corpses (which also passes through the same code) 21:28:09 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:18 rip wheals 21:28:28 elliptic: update_index.py, line 1: import MySQLdb 21:28:31 also haha rip wheals 21:28:40 PleasingFungus: comment it out 21:28:55 <|amethyst> there isn't a clear rule, though, becuase "Jesus'" and "Socrates'" 21:28:59 at least I can't imagine why it would be needed, let me see :P 21:29:00 cunning 21:29:04 it's in loaddb 21:29:06 apparently 21:29:08 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:11 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:44 yeah idk this all seems pretty linked together 21:29:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:07 the wheals are connecting! 21:30:44 dang 21:31:03 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:32:03 ??tournament[2 21:32:04 tournament[2/5]: The 0.14 tournament ran from 20:00 UTC Apr 11 to 20:00 UTC Apr 27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.14/ Leaderboard (with nchoice list): http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.14/overview.html 21:32:14 my internet connection itself is fine, it's just the wifi this tablet is getting is poor 21:34:49 dang 21:35:20 hm. should the "no scrolls/pots" award be a one-off, or granted repeatedly? (like HERETIC, or like VOW OF COURAGE?) I'm leaning toward the latter... 21:36:04 Does that matter without a torney point bonus? 21:36:22 we agreed it'd give a 25-point bonus 21:37:05 Then I would check Lord of Darkness? 21:37:20 !time 21:37:20 Time: Aug 21, 2014, 02:37:20 AM, UTC. 21:37:21 maybe we can wait to see if anyone manages (or is willing) to do it twice 21:37:25 ??tournament 21:37:25 tournament[1/5]: The 0.15 tournament will start on August 29. 21:37:43 lord of dorkness is a one-off 21:38:22 not sure there are any particular criteria for which falls in which category? 21:38:33 I guess it's "which would be fun to do more than once" 21:38:46 probably one-off is safer, in case it turns out to be super easy to get a rune with no consumables. 21:39:05 ^ 21:39:23 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:39:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:26 oh, would there be points even for a rune? 21:40:47 that's the current tier III of the banner 21:41:06 ok, thought it was winning :P 21:41:11 that was an earlier idea 21:41:14 but idk how fun that'd be? 21:42:11 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 21:42:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:41 we need quantitative measures of how fun these things are 21:42:55 game design.txt 21:43:15 3. 21:43:16 <|amethyst> We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty! 21:43:18 they would be 3 fun. 21:43:24 possibly, at the very most, 4. 21:43:27 "3 monkey barrels" 21:43:34 no it's unitless 21:43:51 minmay has suggested removing consumables before IIRC :D 21:44:56 (Also how does this interact with remove curse etc, just assuming that if slimerobin has wins the current situation is fine?) 21:45:21 you probably want to be very careful about wielding things 21:45:26 and don't want to fight any mummies 21:45:28 that was one reason only going to a rune was decided on i think 21:45:37 alternately: play a transmuter :) 21:45:39 or a felid! 21:45:41 solution: remove MONS_MUMMY 21:45:48 mons_mummy's death curses are 21:45:50 not very good 21:45:59 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:22 fr: death vernacular 21:47:18 the mummy swears loudly as it dies, as mummies often do. 21:47:31 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:48:17 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:48:38 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:36 http://sprunge.us/CXjQ here's a thing (doesn't include grunt's banner images so probably some stuff will be broken) 21:53:40 oh sorry 21:53:46 elliptic: http://sprunge.us/CXjQ here's a thing (doesn't include grunt's banner images so probably some stuff will be broken) 21:56:14 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:56:31 -!- MgDark_HuIE is now known as MgDark 21:56:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:54 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 22:01:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 22:03:58 PleasingFungus: thanks, will look at it tomorrow or friday 22:04:25 ty :) 22:04:29 sorry I couldn't test it 22:05:03 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 22:05:26 PleasingFungus: btw, ruthless efficiency should definitely give points each time you do it, for consistency with other stuff (including lord of darkness) 22:05:37 yeah, I forgot it included loaddb.py 22:05:56 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 22:05:58 I think working around that is doable but probably not worth the effort 22:06:36 well, some other things only give points the first time? apparently? idk 22:06:40 I do not feel strongly 22:06:44 what things? 22:09:06 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 22:10:07 lemme pull it up again' 22:10:23 50 bonus points for a win without visiting Temple, Lair, Orc, or the Vaults (LORD OF DARKNESS banner III). 22:10:25 25 bonus points for a win in which nine non-good gods are abandoned before XL 14 and never rejoined (HERETIC banner III). 22:10:51 I could swear something said they were one-off explicitly? 22:12:20 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:31 probably the rules page should be clearer about those being repeatable 22:14:04 just s/a win/each win/ is sufficient I guess 22:14:39 -!- agentgt has quit [Client Quit] 22:14:42 that sounds viable 22:17:28 also, if anyone has any non-banner rules changes to propose that aren't too difficult to implement then they should speak up :) 22:18:28 or FOREVER hold their pieces!!! 22:18:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:46 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20:25 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:21:30 -!- InvalidUser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:22:11 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:26 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27:34 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:46 * wheals chops PleasingFungus into pieces!!! 22:29:46 * Sequell also chops PleasingFungus into pieces!!! 22:29:54 dang 22:30:17 now you have to hold them 22:33:24 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:41 gross 22:34:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:09 hm. what's a better name for likes_water? doesn't_die_in_water? 22:37:31 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:43 water_habitable 22:37:51 PleasingFungus: ^^, somethinglike that maybe 22:38:11 I was thinking water_ok. both are a little awkward, though 22:38:23 ok seems a bit vague, yeah 22:38:34 I wonder if it makes sense to change this without changing all the other likes_water and likes_lava 22:38:39 might be better to change them en masse 22:38:57 yeah, and likes isn't too bad really, since it's not really ambigious wrt features 22:39:12 imho it's actually really bad 22:39:19 "likes" means nothing 22:39:28 it sounds like you're getting some benefit from water 22:39:28 but ok means something? 22:39:31 ok is also bad 22:39:35 as discussed :) 22:39:36 I mean the only way you'll improve that is to be explicite 22:39:39 yes 22:39:56 water_lover 22:40:00 heh 22:40:09 uncannily_water 22:40:15 almost_entirely_water 22:40:26 not_very_water 22:40:31 or w/e 22:40:47 feat_is_water and feat_is_watery 22:41:12 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:38 for t rules, it might be good to have some "official" stuff on bots 22:41:54 if only to say they won't show up on the fastest wins board 22:42:04 not unreasonable 22:42:12 hm. statue form has a really weird special case 22:42:30 in drowning? 22:42:34 it's the only form that prevents "swimming" but not surviving in water 22:42:47 (if you were a race that could swim - mf or op) 22:43:17 huh 22:43:43 imo maybe statue mf/op should be the same as normal form 22:43:57 swimming verry slowwly 22:44:13 hrm 22:44:23 would be a little weird if mf lose their tails (in statue form) but can still swim 22:44:38 is ice form the only one left that really gives you additional mobility that's not flight 22:44:53 probably 22:45:07 -!- Kramin is now known as theRNG 22:45:13 rip cling 22:45:16 wispform gives blink!!! 22:45:38 wasn't even thinking about badforms, but I guess it's still true 22:45:45 fr: giant spore form 22:45:47 -!- theRNG is now known as Kramin 22:45:50 hogform gives spd>10 22:46:03 well that's a badform at least 22:46:40 You explode! You die... 22:47:08 how about you start as a spore and have an ability to blow up, then you turn into fungusform with half hp 22:47:10 ... killed by an exploding you 22:47:45 I was halfheartedly thinking about a spacial vortex form 22:47:53 burrows through walls, spawns little buddies 22:48:02 s/vortex/maelstrom/ 22:48:06 yeah that one 22:48:13 s/spacial/spatial/ 22:48:14 also, spatial? 22:48:15 >_> 22:48:16 yes 22:48:18 well, 0/2 ain't bad 22:48:28 it'd be cool to have op goodforms that were hard to get 22:48:31 oof form 22:48:45 Powerful New Gameplay 22:48:46 no items sounds bad 22:48:46 new high-level tmut book 22:48:50 pearl dragon form 22:48:53 uh 22:48:55 ye$$$$ 22:48:57 panlord form 22:49:02 randomized every time 22:49:05 cereb- 22:49:06 MOTHERFUCKING SHARK HEAD FORM 22:49:09 yesssss 22:49:15 with a laser? 22:49:19 don't be absurd. 22:49:22 sorry 22:49:28 I forgive you. 22:50:29 * geekosaur thinks that was worth airing just for the sudden vision of Z. playing it 22:50:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:55:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:56:46 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:59:18 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:00:00 -!- Cigarettes has quit [Quit: ZZZZ] 23:00:14 you know what'd be useful 23:00:26 a key to press on the X map that adds exclusions to all closed doors 23:00:51 hm 23:00:57 maybe on the x map? 23:01:00 not sure about X 23:01:12 maybe an in-game toggle for travel_open_doors? 23:01:13 what's the difference 23:01:22 <|amethyst> x is targetting 23:01:26 i mean 23:01:27 <|amethyst> so only LOS 23:01:42 no, i want it on the whole level 23:01:46 i guess i'm not sure i'd find this all that useful 23:01:54 maybe just because i'm playing a bunch of sprint recently 23:01:55 yeah idk about that one 23:02:04 oh, sprint is different 23:02:17 huh. fun form facts: shadow form is not unbreathing 23:02:20 <|amethyst> I think toggling travel_open_doors might be better 23:02:23 which feels wrong 23:02:27 |amethyst: yeah, that'd be fine too 23:02:38 <|amethyst> doy: you can do that now with lua 23:02:53 oh really 23:03:00 <|amethyst> crawl.setopt("travel_open_doors = false") 23:03:01 travel_open_doors does have slightly funky behaviour, though 23:03:43 <|amethyst> doy: and there's a non-wizmode (c)lua console 23:03:57 oh really 23:04:02 <|amethyst> doy: CMD_LUA_CONSOLE (not bound by default) 23:04:08 interesting 23:04:09 <|amethyst> it's the same thing as &^U 23:04:16 <|amethyst> but doesn't require & 23:07:07 <|amethyst> (I kind of think one of ^D or ~ should be bound to that) 23:07:48 <|amethyst> ~ would be more friendly for quake users :P 23:07:59 <|amethyst> ??doom 23:07:59 doom ~ doome[1/1]: the lorde doome. addicted to sprint 23:08:47 less friendly to ssh users 23:09:15 <|amethyst> ssh requires ~ doesn't it? 23:09:20 yes 23:09:34 and how many times do you hit Enter in a game? 23:09:40 yeah, but you press at various points during play 23:09:58 <|amethyst> well, it's already assigned to macro 23:09:59 (^qyes probably does not count :p ) 23:10:18 which is what makes it actually annoying, because it's context sensitive to a context that doesn't really make sense 23:10:38 <|amethyst> could tell people to use -e none 23:10:41 and yeah, i get irritated every time i try to assign a macro, but it's just not that big of a deal because i do that rarely enough 23:11:00 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:11:29 why can't ssh accept ~ directly? 23:11:46 wheals: ~ is the ssh escape key 23:11:49 ssh using ~~ s abackward compatibility with rsh thing 23:11:57 so ~ is how you send commands to ssh directly 23:12:03 but only if it's at the start of a "line" 23:12:11 er. that mangled. (this machine needs to finish what it's doing so I can reboot...) 23:12:28 -!- giganticus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:29 so for instance, ~. will disconnect your ssh session 23:12:31 <|amethyst> geekosaur: not just compatibility, since it's kind of hard to suspend ssh without it 23:12:56 interesting 23:12:58 |amethyst, the number of people playing crawl who would suspend ssh is two. you and e :) 23:13:00 *me 23:14:39 <|amethyst> !learn add doom_checklist http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e473d029e917 23:14:40 doom checklist[1/1]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e473d029e917 23:14:54 <|amethyst> !learn add doom see {doom checklist} 23:14:54 doom[1/1]: see {doom checklist} 23:15:08 in these days of window systems, many linux/*bsd/os x users don't even know about suspend, I've found 23:15:18 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:24 %git 43440df 23:15:25 07MarvinPA02 * 0.10-a0-1355-g43440df: Rename imps to crimson imps 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 22 files, 45+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43440dfe3f50 23:15:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:29 heh 23:15:43 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:15:51 <|amethyst> geekosaur: well, they're the people who wouldn't have been using a Unix at all 10-15 years ago :) 23:15:52 "demons" are clearly hell beasts 23:15:53 come on 23:15:57 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:16:00 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:16:45 anyway there are very few users whowould be impacted by -e none, and those that would would know what to do about it 23:18:44 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:17 of course, the people who are even playing by ssh is a minority anyway 23:20:18 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:10 !lg * recent s=tiles, cdist(name) 23:21:11 ERROR: aggregates not allowed in GROUP BY clause 23:21:17 !lg * recent s=tiles x=cdist(name) 23:21:18 899589 games for * (recent): 730078x true [13648], 169511x false [2608] 23:23:07 also how many of those are using e.g. putty 23:23:22 or telnet! 23:24:16 !send wheals IAC WONT CRYPT 23:24:16 Sending IAC WONT CRYPT to wheals. 23:26:52 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:30:41 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:36 -!- tolly has quit [] 23:35:12 huh, felids don't have elbows 23:35:14 that seems odd 23:35:41 http://pets.thenest.com/cats-elbows-10383.html argues they should (??) 23:36:53 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:33 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45:58 hm. bats & pigs should probably be able to wear put rings on when wearing the macabre amulet. 23:46:13 -!- Gene_ has quit [Client Quit] 23:46:16 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:47:30 "wear put" 23:48:00 -!- markgo` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:48:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 23:53:49 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:57:58 wonder if electricity brand is something dithmenos should hate 23:58:11 "shower of sparks" sounds like something that creates light 23:59:12 noooo 23:59:20 don't go down that road, man. 23:59:24 (: 23:59:24 that way lies darkness. 23:59:26 ironically. 23:59:46 there are a Lot of things in crawl that probably produce some form of light 23:59:53 e.g. "all lightning spells" 23:59:53 yeah, true