00:00:06 <|amethyst> that vault is from an earlier time when that wasn't the policy 00:00:21 !vault pf_slime_end_temple 00:00:21 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des;hb=HEAD#l3354 00:01:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:01:40 I didn't realize I was the second one to have the idea :) 00:01:44 at least they're both quite rare 00:02:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:03:32 ...in fact, it looks like no one's ever found mine 00:03:36 huh 00:03:41 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-b1-33-g66304f2 00:03:53 WEIGHT: 1 is pretty low 00:03:57 yes 00:04:02 it was originally slightly higher 00:04:10 grunt made some adjustments/improvements iirc 00:05:03 ah well. it's only been around for a few months. someday, someone will find the slimiest temple... 00:05:45 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-48-g63d8d37 (34) 00:09:18 hrm, if we let !resist give rcorr, anyone bothere by it still not granting rn? Seems to me that resists "natural things" is reasonable enough justification, but I also wouldn't much care if it granted rn 00:10:20 <|amethyst> we already have !lig to grant rN :P 00:10:38 |amethyst: is !lig the secret to your crawl success? :) 00:11:22 I had to kill a neil AE ghost with lbolt on like d:4 or d:5 and I had to wonder if it was a deliberately constructed nasty ghost 00:11:34 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:43 <|amethyst> it was a tengu 00:11:47 <|amethyst> mad apts 00:11:52 <|amethyst> unskilled player 00:11:58 <|amethyst> the perfect storm 00:12:07 yeah, and fast moving...or is that not the case for the ghosts? 00:12:22 I didn't xv it (which was silly, since I onlly learned it had lbolt when the lbolt missed me) 00:12:23 <|amethyst> I doubt I was flying anyway 00:13:18 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:29 <|amethyst> oh, but I did have swiftness... is that oldswift as a monster spell? is it a monster spell? 00:14:24 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:16:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:35 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:36 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:17:31 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:07 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:25 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:21:28 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:21:33 -!- rast- is now known as rast 00:25:22 -!- Brannock__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:26:31 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:36 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:59 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:31:47 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:36:12 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:39:40 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45:17 %git 9bd7daac 00:45:18 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-675-g9bd7daa: Add some asserts inside actor->this_player(). 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bd7daac3abd 00:45:29 /* Axe this block soon */ 00:50:51 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:43 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:44 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~this 00:54:46 43. [2014-02-20 21:47:52] rubinko the Tengu Blade (L27 TeFE of Makhleb) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 33 failed on turn 89157. (Pan) 00:54:53 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~actor.h'_at_line_33 00:54:54 5. [2014-02-20 21:47:52] rubinko the Tengu Blade (L27 TeFE of Makhleb) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 33 failed on turn 89157. (Pan) 00:54:57 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~actor.h'_at_line_33 -2 00:54:58 4/5. [2014-02-20 21:45:49] rubinko the Tengu Blade (L27 TeFE of Makhleb) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 33 failed on turn 89136. (Pan) 00:55:00 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~actor.h'_at_line_33 -3 00:55:02 3/5. [2014-02-20 21:42:58] rubinko the Tengu Blade (L27 TeFE of Makhleb) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 33 failed on turn 90119. (Pan) 00:55:03 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~actor.h'_at_line_33 -4 00:55:08 2/5. [2014-02-20 20:45:13] rubinko the Tengu Blade (L27 TeFE of Makhleb) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 33 failed on turn 89141. (Pan) 00:55:09 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~actor.h'_at_line_33 -5 00:55:13 1/5. [2014-02-20 11:59:10] Flure the Axe Maniac (L24 MiBe of Trog) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 33 failed on turn 27248. (Pan) 00:58:39 <|amethyst> %git 960dfbf 00:58:39 07Medar02 * 0.14-a0-2735-g960dfbf: Fix a crash in is_unchivalric_attack. (gammafunk) 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=960dfbfcc3df 00:58:57 -!- VitaminB5 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:59:16 <|amethyst> I think the check for null should stay, but the check for == you (which is what requires that block) is unnecessary 00:59:26 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:04:08 mm 01:04:10 // no NUM_TRANSFORMS due to too many switch statements 01:04:20 I'm a little confused by this comment (enum.h:374) 01:04:34 ...oh, I see, they didn't want to have to handle that case? 01:04:48 <|amethyst> so that you can get compiler warnings about covering all the cases 01:04:54 yes 01:04:55 <|amethyst> s/covering/not covering/ 01:05:04 yeah I got it right after saying I didn't get it 01:05:05 powerful tech 01:05:32 <|amethyst> could make NUM_TRANSFORMS a #define or const int 01:05:37 <|amethyst> outside the enum 01:05:46 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:12 <|amethyst> though I guess LAST_FORM+1 is fine 01:07:46 looks like it only really shows up in transform.cc anyway 01:11:36 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:12:16 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:12:22 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:12:30 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:14:01 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:14:03 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:14:21 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:47 -!- ghoulishh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:28:45 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:52 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:02 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:20 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:56 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:10 I wonder if it might be best to try to unify rcorr and racid after the release? 01:37:22 (and delay the !resistance change until then) 01:38:52 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:12 no opinion on the delay, but the unification seems like a good idea 01:42:22 well, beyond opinions already expressed 01:42:24 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:52 huh 01:42:56 -!- ark is now known as Guest99778 01:42:57 fungus form is tiny 01:43:02 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 313 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 01:43:02 %??wandering mushroom 01:43:10 I always thought they were giant mushrooms 01:43:12 that stealth 01:43:17 dang....... 01:43:59 well resistance protecting you from the corrosion status...of course if we unified that'd be unavoidable anyhow 01:44:44 I think it is not a huge difference - the 50% damage reduction seems more important than the 50% corrosion status reduction 01:44:51 and I think it is good to be consistent 01:45:27 yeah it just means I need to modify the actor method, which is no big deal 01:45:56 res_corr defined in actor, and res_acid in player and monster, since they behave differentaly 01:48:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:35 fungus form is amazingly powerful 02:00:33 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:47 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:03:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140802030201]] 02:05:52 -!- IggyPope has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:06:43 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:11:07 -!- Vorhito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:11:39 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 02:11:57 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:25 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:14:23 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:52 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:27 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-b1-33-g66304f2 02:18:50 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:28 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:38 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 02:20:21 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:22 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26:25 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-48-g63d8d37 (34) 02:26:43 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:45 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:01 Headgear isn't marked useless for shapeshifted formicids. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8854 by Kvaak 02:34:37 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:56 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:03 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:08 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:35 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:53 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:08 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:51:43 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:24 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:20 -!- Skid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:52 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:00 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:56:15 -!- Guest99778 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:57:16 I just saw someone fire Sniper at an anaconda. 02:57:18 it died on the spot 02:57:29 except its corpse was adjacent to him instead of where it died 02:57:31 it was pretty funny 03:04:30 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:06:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:07:22 how does that even happen? 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Has 20 base delay. In 0.15, base type "heavy crossbow" - triple crossbow with 27 base delay. 03:14:00 it shouldn't get to move after it's dead though... 03:15:47 maybe this thing should just fire unmissing projectiles 03:17:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:32 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 03:26:59 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:27:37 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:21 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-b1-33-g66304f2 (34) 03:29:33 well, not stable yet.. 03:32:09 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:22 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:35:33 -!- rast- is now known as rast 03:38:07 |amethyst, greensnark: i deleted milestones-0.14.txt & milestones-spr-0.14.txt by mistake. could you give me a backup? 03:40:54 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:41:01 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:01 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping 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for android" (Documentation) => "Need android devs" (Implementable) 09:11:28 wow tenda 09:11:45 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:12:02 oops 09:12:29 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:33 -!- whiskers75 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:05 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:42 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:17 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:43 -!- roushguy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:55 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:06 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-50-g4841e6f: Shorten memorization help when necessary (#3244) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4841e6f17465 09:24:06 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.15] * 0.15-b1-37-g7f4d24f: Shorten memorization help when necessary (#3244) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f4d24f2aff5 09:30:13 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:26 %git :/8803 09:30:26 07wheals02 * 0.14.0-9-g9c5475a: ID curse scrolls on game start. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c5475a23c76 09:30:35 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:40 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 09:47:07 |amethyst: i think it supports that for subversion already, so it shouldn't be difficult at all 09:47:16 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:48:02 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:48:13 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:31 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 09:52:51 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:23 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:58:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:06:44 -!- allbefore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 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food autopickup thing 10:42:55 it refuses to pick up bread rations for me after I fiddle around with it 10:43:45 I triple-checked I had it enabled and danced on top of a bread ration, it just wouldn't get picked up 10:43:57 was there an enemy in los 10:44:00 oddly enough there's no problem until I mess around with the \ options 10:44:00 no 10:44:15 in fact you can spectate me on CDO right now 10:44:24 I'm dancing on top of a bread ration I didn't drop 10:44:46 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 10:44:51 1s 10:45:07 oh, eh, I haven't the patience to get console spectating set up right now 10:45:58 -!- sanka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:45:59 <|amethyst> oh 10:47:05 <|amethyst> Kvaak: if you turn on royal jelly does it autopickup? 10:47:11 yes 10:50:08 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 10:50:30 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:50 that's nifty except I don't want to pick up royal jellies :( 10:50:51 haha 10:50:52 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:51:20 form trivia: porcupineform & wispform meld amulets. pigform does not 10:53:19 anyway should I report this? 10:53:51 also, fungus form lets you wear a hat, but not a helmet (???) 10:54:41 I've seen plenty of mushrooms with caps but none with helmets 10:55:21 apparently mushrooms are smaller than felids 10:55:25 I think 10:55:29 (mushroomform) 10:55:32 m 10:55:51 much like spiders, yes 10:56:45 however, while in fungusform, you're told you can't wear armour 10:56:49 if you try to W a different hat 10:57:15 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:44 -!- tyrantul has quit [Quit: Virca 1.1.20 rus 2.0 mod rusboy] 10:59:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:00:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:42 oh and fr: monster shields aren't dumb http://i.imgur.com/PSHDJWk.png 11:05:16 nice 11:05:50 -!- Blakmane has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:10:51 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-51-g3cd7026: Make food autopickup match the \ menu (Kvaak) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cd7026de223 11:11:48 nice 11:12:05 guess that's a no 11:12:14 :) 11:14:24 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140802030201]] 11:25:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:11 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:27:58 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:04 "Each unique now has a special title" what file are the titles in! I wanna read em 11:30:15 -!- stickyfingers_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:30:32 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:34:14 ??fruit 11:34:14 food[2/4]: Sultana is 70. Grape is 100. Strawberry is 200. Lychee/choko/rambutan is 600. Apricot/pear/apple is 700. Banana/lemon/orange is 1000. Cheese/sausage is 1200. Beef jerky/pizza/snozzcumber is 1500. Porridge is 6040. In 0.15+, fruit is now condensed into one generic "fruit" item (worth 850 nutrition). 11:34:27 fedhas nerf? 11:34:46 how so? 11:35:13 seems like raising the nutrition to 700 means less overall fruit will be generated to power fedhas abilities 11:35:25 but it's been so long since I've played fedhas, maybe they've changed that too 11:36:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:37:48 I like how willing crawl is to remove bad features like item destruction, but I worry that one day you'll run out of bad featurs to remove 11:37:55 then it will just be a game with only good features 11:38:02 and how boring is that? 11:38:15 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:56 I guess what I'm asking is for people to add new and exciting bad features to the game, so that we can share in rejoicing when they are removed in future versions 11:39:28 there was a guy searching for the latest version with lava orcs today 11:39:34 mission accomplished? 11:40:12 how about a race whose gimmick is victory dancing 11:40:19 we'll call them "mountain dwarves" 11:41:30 hmm, I was OK with victory dancing, although the current implementation is better 11:41:44 fr: key to perform a victory dance 11:42:51 Zannick: hold "s" to do that, I think 11:43:05 you have to hold it for a long time though 11:43:08 it's an easter egg 11:43:41 !source dat/database/montitle.txt 11:43:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/database/montitle.txt;hb=HEAD 11:43:46 Wensley: ^ 11:43:54 PleasingFungus: ty ^_^ 11:43:56 :) 11:44:36 hm. not sure how I feel about current tiamat title 11:44:40 %git :/itle 11:44:40 07doy02 {|amethyst} * 0.15-b1-16-g43fdf26: allow stash titles to wrap if they are too long (1260) 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 80+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43fdf2662957 11:44:46 yiuf needs a random title 11:45:08 perhaps 11:45:14 hm, how does it look when the twins come into sight? 11:45:32 Dowan, brother of Duvessa shouts! Duvessa, sister of Dowan shouts! 11:48:07 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 11:48:21 nope 11:48:32 "Joseph, a Mercenary" 11:48:36 "Wiglaf the dwarf" 11:48:41 joseph's title is the best title in the list 11:49:00 Purgy, a troll 11:49:10 anyway, titles only show up in the message for them appearing onscreen; the 'shouts' message wouldn't include it 11:49:25 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:29 isn't there some way to special case dowan and duvessa coming into sight at the same time 11:49:29 "Finn the human" 11:50:08 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:50:17 is the implication that wiglaf is the only dwarf around? is he the last of the mountain dwarves? 11:50:40 I guess mountain dwarves still exist in the Crawl universe, but they simply aren't going into the dungeon any more 11:50:42 "Wiglaf, Survivor of the Mountain Dwarves" 11:50:49 I think "the last of the mountain dwarves" was at least thrown around on "lets give every unique a title" day 11:51:06 time to check logs 11:51:29 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdBPx_nxzyQ <-- wiglaf, but mentally replace "man" with a scottish voice saying "dorf" 11:52:51 2014-06-01: <@Grunt> I guess we can't do Wiglaf the Last Mountain Dwarf. 11:53:05 <+ontoclasm> a REMOVED_MONS_WIGLAF 11:53:20 at one point, his title described him as being on a mission to avenge the (rest of the) mountain dwarves 11:53:26 s/title/description 11:54:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:57:21 lol good song 11:57:29 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:59:07 LexAckson_ is happy that cleaving at last hits all eight squares 11:59:45 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:11 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:59 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 12:02:17 it didn’t before? 12:03:01 it hit seven 12:03:13 I think because people were upset that the direction you aimed in didn't matter 12:03:22 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:03:44 and the solution to that was to make it matter in only very specific circumstances 12:03:53 i think the direction you aim still does full damage while the others get ~70% 12:03:59 -!- Apachew has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:04:56 but also, it is pretty much doesn't matter most of the time 12:05:25 Stable (0.15) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-b1-37-g7f4d24f 12:06:00 it still matters, because walls can block cleaving 12:06:38 which is to say, it pretty much still doesn't matter most of the time 12:12:33 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-51-g3cd7026 (34) 12:13:02 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16:28 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:18:03 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:47 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:19:50 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:35 i can be pardoned for not realising i had to change stuff in three places to change the autopickup menu, right? 12:23:40 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:23:43 -!- zermako2 is now known as zermako 12:24:40 this doesn't surprise me 12:24:43 ?? ais523 12:24:44 ais523[1/1]: it's amazing how inconsistent Crawl's interface actually is, it's much worse than NetHack's 12:24:53 it was that sort of thing that inspired me to make that comment 12:25:51 i was inspired by you to make the 'e' command better, then people got angry at me :( 12:26:01 at least in crawl you can't get instakilled by eating a corpse, though 12:26:13 I added a confirm to that in NetHack 12:26:21 out of all the things that needed confirms, that was pretty high on the list 12:28:18 it is good to try to make crawl's interface better, but disabling eating off the floor is not that :) 12:28:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:45 also, either you or I or |amethyst managed to cause unpleasantness in the process of that change & its revert 12:29:01 !bug 8849 12:29:02 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 12:29:53 once I finish my current rewrites, I'll have a look at that if it's not already handled 12:34:51 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:35:24 -!- magicpoints has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:36:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:40:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:19 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 12:48:09 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:48:41 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:27 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:03:55 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:28 -!- kait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:11:51 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:27 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:17:43 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:22:30 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:23:19 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:27:20 Have you guys ever worked with Libtcod? 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[Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:26:23 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28:15 -!- Mandragora has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:36 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:36:47 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 16:38:28 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:28 -!- CacoS has quit [] 16:41:37 I wonder if you could add a new pan rune floor themed around/focused on the demonspawn 16:41:46 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42:11 another demonic rune floor, or maybe add a lord and make it cycle with the existing four named lord floors 16:44:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:07 that'd be cool, although i don't know if there's quite enough variety in the current demonspawn for it to really work all that well 16:46:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:46:29 -!- lrvs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:47:07 they need some polishing in any case 16:47:09 I have a list 16:47:11 yeah 16:47:27 the holy pan level works really well, but they have a lot more variety 16:47:35 do they? 16:48:07 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:15 -!- stanzglotza is now known as stanzill 16:48:21 there's... angels, daevas, cherubs, ophan, a pearl dragon. also some apis and a seraph, for decoration. 16:48:32 the seraph was underwhelming 16:48:44 there were silver stars last time i did it 16:48:52 %git :/ilver 16:48:52 07Lasty02 * 0.15-a0-1557-gb9f27a8: Iashol: fix demonspawn/silver issue 10(6 weeks ago, 2 files, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9f27a8583b8 16:48:54 ophans are interesting though 16:49:04 ophan are cool, though I don't think they're very threatening by pan 16:49:06 they're better in abyss 16:49:09 yeah 16:49:18 but none of the demonspawn are threatening at all by pan 16:49:23 %git dc6d6fabca 16:49:23 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-277-gdc6d6fa: Remove silver stars 10(5 months ago, 32 files, 29+ 208-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc6d6fabca04 16:50:04 likewise, shedu & phoenixes are gone, though I can't find the commit 16:50:12 oh really 16:50:19 i liked shedu and phoenixes 16:51:04 I think I fought them once and zero times respectively 16:51:14 can't really comment either way 16:51:34 %git df45d3f7190 16:51:34 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-465-gdf45d3f: Remove phoenixes 10(3 months ago, 15 files, 19+ 223-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df45d3f71900 16:51:37 they were 16:51:38 really awful 16:51:41 harmless 16:51:47 and really annoying 16:51:52 %git 12223c06e 16:51:52 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-810-g12223c0: Remove Shedu 10(3 months ago, 27 files, 16+ 382-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=12223c06ef92 16:52:11 things that don't die when you kill them are the worst 16:52:12 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:21 and this doesn't only count for FPS games 16:52:27 similarly, bloax won't die even if we kill him 16:52:31 v annoying 16:52:37 (unless it is a boss) 16:52:46 PleasingFungus: you can't kill what is already dead 16:52:48 well, i also like lost souls 16:52:54 hopefully those aren't going away too d: 16:52:56 lost souls are pretty good 16:52:58 lost souls are cool 16:53:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:53:12 although death mages are annoying as sin 16:53:22 that's their niche! :) 16:53:29 because they are halfway things that don't die when they are killed 16:53:52 i mean, it's not like it's hard to make phoenixes and shedu stop reviving 16:54:10 it just adds something else to pay attention to 16:54:24 it's boring when you can just move from single monster to single monster all the time 16:54:35 you just kill death mages twice 16:54:35 I suspect that the reasoning on removing phoenixes was flawed - mechanics that are annoying the context of a big zig fight aren't necessarily annoying in the normal game 16:54:37 having distracting things around makes things more intersting 16:54:42 they're squishy elves so it's not particularly difficult 16:54:50 but again, I never fought phoenixes myself 16:55:10 ...that are annoying in* 17:03:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:05:14 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-51-g3cd7026 (34) 17:05:47 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:39 -!- Cannonbait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:07:19 yeah, so i guess holy pan is quite a bit less interesting in 0.16 then 17:07:23 oh well 17:07:49 also reaverb took out holy death curses 17:08:01 so apis are just nothing at all 17:08:09 oh, that's why it wasn't working 17:08:14 it? 17:08:17 i was trying to remember who had the death curse 17:08:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:08:24 and nothing i was killing was doing anything 17:08:35 I don't remember if it was all holies or just apis, angels, & daevas 17:08:43 so yeah, what's even the point of holy stuff anymore 17:08:48 correct 17:09:06 imho the apis death curse thing could be brought back with some small modifications 17:09:26 in my opinion, pretty much all of the stuff that was removed could be brought back with some small modifications 17:09:43 the cleansing flame death curses aren't ideal, though, since it (like all holy damage) just kind of fucks undead players for no reason. I guess it also fucks lichform players, which is good & correct 17:09:54 since that's a choice they're making 17:10:04 playing undead races is also a choice 17:10:35 not a tactical choice 17:10:40 i mean, if playing an undead race feels just like playing a non-undead race, what's even the point 17:10:42 -!- GeorgieFruit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:42 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:43 >an emperor scorpion skeleton 17:10:50 >looks like a small humanoid 17:10:51 Bloax: known bug 17:10:54 t-thanks 17:11:04 doy: there are plenty of ways in which playing undead feels unlike playing living races 17:11:07 ref also: the entire rest of the game 17:11:21 well, ghouls feel different because they have to constantly eat chunks, and vampires' special stuff is hard to miss. 17:11:36 And mummies can't ever drink/ 17:11:37 also, ghouls stats and whole huge set of resistances 17:11:37 <+PleasingFungus> the cleansing flame death curses aren't ideal, though, since it (like all holy damage) just kind of fucks undead players for no reason. 17:11:51 most of the other ways are positive things though, other than mummies who were designed as a challenge race 17:11:55 -!- Danei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:57 Those are all more interesting from taking way more damage from a damage type that never comes up 17:12:05 people who go to extended with undead races probably picked an undead race to go "wooo I can't be fucked over" during it 17:12:13 -!- allbefore has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:12:20 eb_: right 17:12:27 it's true that holy pan is skippable, ofc 17:12:32 I have no opinion on whether pulling the rug from under them sometimes is good or bad 17:12:41 i think it's pretty unambiguously good 17:12:42 mm. I'll concede the argument 17:13:44 of course if you really wanted to be nasty them you'd have holy curses confuse them in a flash of blinding light or something 17:13:48 *to them 17:13:58 -!- yernab has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:58 -!- odiv_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:02 iirc the people supporting removing holy death curses were wheals & reaverb; the next time they come on, someone should probably talk to them about bringing the curses back in 0.16 (probably in a somewhat simpler fashion than before - without the hilariously complex 'shielded by your god' system, perhaps) 17:14:20 Is there a reason why some species taking way more damage from certain rare things better than all species randomly taking double damage from one in one 500 monsters picked arbitrarily? 17:14:22 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:22 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:24 and also with the numbers on apis weakness adjusted to be more meaningful and less tedious 17:14:28 ah, i didn't know there were complicated things about it 17:14:51 Lasty: it helps differentiate the species 17:14:55 Lasty: the discussion of holy damage from holy enemies is totally distinct from the discussion of holy wrath weapons 17:15:14 holy wrath weapons are fuck-yous, at present. holy wrath enemies are distinct tactical threats 17:15:23 s/holy wrath enemies/holy enemies 17:15:33 yeah, holy wrath weapons are more questionable because you can't typically see them coming 17:15:39 which makes it less interesting 17:15:49 we've also been talking about making enemy-held weapon brands ID on sight 17:15:54 If you want to make the above argument more applicable, replace "1 in 500 monsters" with "1 in 40 floors" 17:15:57 that would be a good thing, i think 17:15:59 in general I think there's been support, it's just a matter of implementation 17:16:20 Lasty: the fact that it only affects certain species is kind of the whole point though 17:16:23 every so often you go to a floor where monsters do 2x damage 17:16:49 doy: Where are the floors that deal 2x damage to halflings and minotaurs? 17:17:00 every floor that has torment, probably 17:17:05 Lasty: well, halflings and minotaurs are pretty boring, overall 17:17:06 since undead are immune to torment 17:17:17 but yeah, living vs undead is still relevant 17:17:24 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:17:53 Right, but if they're boring, wouldn't 2x damage floors help make them interesting by differentiating them by your argument re: undead? 17:18:12 Lasty: not everything has to be differentiated in the same way 17:18:31 but why does anything have to be differentiated in this way? 17:18:36 why not? 17:18:37 it doesn't, of course 17:18:39 but it's interesting 17:18:43 most of crawl doesn't have to be 17:18:52 IMO death curses are never intersting 17:19:09 that is an opinion 17:19:13 it is wrong but it is an opinion you are allowed to have 17:19:18 and holy pan is only interesting if you're undead and choose not to skip it 17:19:38 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:46 Ouch. Well, sounds like your mind is made up, so I'll drop it. 17:20:08 imho "death curses are never interesting" is isomorphic to "damage is never interesting" 17:20:35 there are certainly many badly implemented death curse mechanics 17:20:41 basic mummies, guardian mummies, old-apises 17:20:51 that is not an indictment of the basic concept of death curses; just its misuse 17:21:02 isomorphic 17:21:16 nerd 17:21:25 8) 17:21:34 hey that's good 17:21:56 PleasingFungus: The problem with death curses is that they're a punishment for killing things, and incentivizing players not to kill things in Crawl generally doesn't work well. 17:22:24 a "punishment" 17:22:40 here is the punishment for killing a holy: you take damage. if you do not kill the holy, you take damage. 17:22:46 there are quite a lot of things in crawl that try to incentivize players to not kill things, including large parts of the early game 17:22:58 and that's not a bad thing 17:22:59 If you kill a holy, you take damage. If you walk/teleport away from a holy, you don't 17:23:01 that's pretty intentional 17:23:16 yes, in situations in which you can avoid all combat, you will not take any damage 17:23:22 this is not something unique to death curses 17:23:27 (but in that case, why not just go win then) 17:24:22 Right, but usually your choices are 1) escape and try not to take damage or 2) fight and try to minimize damage. With death curses, your options are 1) escape and not take damage and 2) take damage. 17:24:46 uh 17:24:57 actually, both of those things are the same 17:25:07 both of the (1)s and (2)s are exactly the same 17:25:16 it's just that death curse enemies end up doing slightly more damage 17:25:56 Or, if you're undead and we're still talking about holies, significantly more damage. 17:25:59 and really, i'm curious to see how "escape and not take damage" works in places like tomb:3 17:26:08 well, no, since holies do significantly more damage in any case 17:26:15 if you can achieve your goals without fighting, in dungeon crawl, it is generally correct not to fight. this is true with or without death curses. 17:26:23 I'm not convinced you couldn't make something that's just inherenty less problematic than death curses by taking some of the few interesting curse effects and make them happen while the monster is alive instead, but some of the death curses aren't that bad 17:26:23 yeah 17:26:28 In tomb:3 people park mummies to avoid triggering their death curses, because they're much more threatening than live mummies. 17:26:34 guardian mummies are very bad, yes 17:26:47 as designs and as enemies 17:26:52 Lasty: not sure what you mean by "park" 17:26:59 Take them upstairs and then ditch them 17:27:07 Leaving them somewhere harmless 17:27:11 oh, well, stairscumming is a completely separate issue 17:27:21 i think that's really something that needs to be fixed about tomb, actually 17:27:27 I would support replacing guardian mummies in some way; we've had some discussion about that recently 17:27:29 doy: also about that 17:27:35 it has improved snake and vaults quite a bit 17:27:50 there was talk about removing the up- and down-stairs from tomb:3, and placing hatches instead 17:27:54 yeah 17:27:58 hatches that always went down to the current entrance loc 17:27:58 i'd be in favor of that 17:28:02 right 17:28:04 I mean, let's assume that we're talking about death curses on a monster that it isn't preferable to evade for whatever reason. It changes the fight from "if I use good tactics maybe I can avoid taking damage" into "if I use good tactics, I can avoid taking damage until I kill it, and then I take damage" 17:28:15 Lasty: uh 17:28:28 there's no situation in crawl in which case you are guaranteed to avoid taking damage by using "good tactics" 17:28:37 right, I accidentally dropped maybe in the second case 17:29:00 also, starting your next fight in a weakened state is an interesting effect 17:29:01 I really just don't see the distinction you're making at all 17:29:06 Lemme try a different tack: what's the benefit of having a monster deal damage on death rather than during life? 17:29:09 doy: imo that's not something that's going to occur 17:29:11 since 5 exists 17:29:16 I've never heard anyone articulate a good reason why just doing flat, guaranteed damage after killing a monster is a good idea 17:29:51 PleasingFungus: well, i find death curses to be more interesting on levels like tomb:3 and holy pan 17:29:55 gammafunk: since it makes them more dangerous in a distinctive way? it changes the way you have to think about the fight and makes you a little more cautious 17:29:59 on which that is less of a possibility 17:30:11 also, i find death curses that you can't just 5 off to be more interesting 17:30:27 yes the problem isn't that it's distinctive, it's what interesting player tactics are arising from this. 17:30:33 draining, rotting, etc 17:30:45 -!- zuus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30:48 but even just damage can be interesting if it's happening in the middle of a bigger battle 17:30:54 makes you have to plan ahead more 17:31:09 basically, planning ahead more, yes 17:31:25 slow is a fun one too 17:31:52 I have mixed feelings on 'strategic' death curses (drain/rot/ability damage) but that might be mostly because of guardian mummies being so bad; with them out of the picture, they might be acceptable effects 17:31:53 summoning reapers and soul eaters: not very interesting 17:31:55 (: 17:32:05 "Oh, the fight's going badly. I hope my summoned minion doesn't accidentally kill my foe so that I die." 17:32:32 we can really achieve the same thing by like placing another monster, buffing its atttack; I think any "planning" for just additional damage doesn't really justify the annoyance 17:32:44 why is it 'annoyance' 17:33:02 shit, brb 17:33:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140529030207]] 17:34:05 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:34:19 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:35:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:37:09 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:11 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:42:18 wanderscumming (L15 VSWr) (D (Sprint)) 17:53:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:57:46 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 18:01:01 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:01:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:05:17 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:06:32 -!- tyrantul has quit [Quit: Virca 1.1.20 rus 2.0 mod rusboy] 18:08:50 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:16 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:12:09 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:22 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15:35 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:21:24 %git :/urgy 18:21:25 07Keskitalo02 * 0.8.0-a0-5961-g2909761: Small tweaks to sewer_co_purgy_island. 10(3 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2909761981f8 18:22:14 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:25:47 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:31:23 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 18:32:13 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:33:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:47 i wasn't really opposed to holy death curses: i was opposed to them on apises since it made them speed 10 guardian mummies 18:34:02 which is better than speed 8 guardian mummies but that is not a high standard 18:34:22 Death has come for wheals... 18:34:31 also, they might have worked in holy pan, my only experience with them was in forest 18:34:41