00:05:34 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2390-ge652697 (34) 00:06:57 SupermanBananaX (L3 DrMo) ERROR in 'options.h' at line 542: ASSERT failed: col of -1 out of range 0 (0) .. MAX_TERM_COLOUR (16) (D:2) 00:06:57 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Quit: soulfreshner] 00:08:45 xnavy (L8 DgFE) ERROR in 'options.h' at line 542: ASSERT failed: col of -1 out of range 0 (0) .. MAX_TERM_COLOUR (16) (D:8) 00:08:51 |amethyst: what have you done!!! 00:09:01 <|amethyst> well, there we go 00:09:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:11 <|amethyst> that was what that commit was supposed to do :) 00:09:20 ? 00:09:25 oh, crash 00:09:27 xnavy (L8 DgFE) ERROR in 'options.h' at line 542: ASSERT failed: col of -1 out of range 0 (0) .. MAX_TERM_COLOUR (16) (D:8) 00:09:34 <|amethyst> !crashlog xnavy 00:09:35 6. xnavy, XL8 DgFE, T:8216 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/xnavy/crash-xnavy-20140802-050842.txt 00:10:44 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:10:46 Haplo13 (L2 DrHu) ERROR in 'options.h' at line 542: ASSERT failed: col of -1 out of range 0 (0) .. MAX_TERM_COLOUR (16) (D:1) 00:12:17 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2391-gd4b779a: Let macro_colour handle -1 (by passing it through) 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4b779af619a 00:13:01 <|amethyst> rebuilding 00:14:08 Haplo13 (L2 DrHu) ERROR in 'options.h' at line 542: ASSERT failed: col of -1 out of range 0 (0) .. MAX_TERM_COLOUR (16) (D:1) 00:17:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2391-gd4b779a (34) 00:17:25 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2390-ge652697 (34) 00:17:42 <|amethyst> hm 00:17:53 ??hm 00:17:53 |amethyst[2/13]: <|amethyst> hm 00:18:37 <|amethyst> I guess CDO uses a console build so doesn't need to be rebuilt 00:18:55 <|amethyst> since this was exclusive to webtiles 00:19:38 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:20:59 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:21:58 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:12 <|amethyst> Patashu: does that fix your colours? 00:22:23 I haven't had the problem 00:22:30 so don't ask me 00:22:30 <|amethyst> oh 00:22:35 <|amethyst> too many people starting with Ps 00:22:46 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: does that fix your colours? 00:23:00 oh, i've not checked 00:23:23 -!- Letchik has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:42 yep, looks like it's fixed 00:23:46 <|amethyst> yay 00:24:14 :) 00:24:47 =D 00:28:21 -!- Kramin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:11 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:31:17 -!- Kramin_ is now known as Kramin 00:32:30 <|amethyst> !tell bh BTW, your 9.7 MiB binary before packing is very cute: -rwxr-xr-x 1 neil neil 111068792 Jul 31 18:15 crawl-prof-web 00:32:31 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 00:32:58 <|amethyst> !tell bh (without profiling: -rwxr-xr-x 2 neil neil 95152660 Aug 2 01:11 crawl-master-web* ) 00:32:58 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 00:35:23 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:28 http://sprunge.us/hheP if someone who knows vaults ( |amethyst, grunt?) could look over this before I commit, I'd greatly appreciate it 00:38:43 I tested everything except the weights changes (since I wasn't really sure how to test those) 00:41:08 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2391-gd4b779a 00:55:44 |amethyst: attempting to run copied versions of optipng/advpng stolen from the app you linked me (imageoptim) doesn't work - crashes with missing library errors 00:55:54 (dyld: Library not loaded: @loader_path/liblibpng.dylib) 00:56:58 just running imageoptim gets an improvement of roughly 3x (1983 -> 605) 00:58:09 03doy02 07* 0.15-a0-2392-g6f6660e: add map view command to find the next explore target 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 30+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f6660eea097 00:58:20 at what looks like a very slight loss of image quality (the image is perceptibly darker/muddier) 00:59:44 imageoptim? 01:00:06 PleasingFungus: well don't do that than! 01:00:25 thanks, samb. 01:00:27 oh a osx thing 01:00:27 thamb. 01:00:31 yes 01:00:40 PleasingFungus: can you run them inplace? 01:00:47 ? 01:01:00 oh, I see what you mean 01:01:02 maybe 01:01:04 "ImageOptim seamlessly integrates best optimisation tools: PNGOUT, Zopfli, Pngcrush, AdvPNG, >extended OptiPNG<," 01:01:17 eek 01:01:20 you mean something like TruePNG? :v 01:01:30 what's TruePNG? 01:01:33 but then again i doubt any of you know what the shit i'm talking about 01:01:59 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:08 http://x128.ho.ua/pngutils.html a modified optipng 01:02:45 pengutils 01:04:57 hm 01:05:17 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:05:18 ok, running optipng/advpng with the recommended settings worked, when running directly from the app folder. good advice, samb 01:05:37 on the minus side, it is both slightly larger (785) and slightly darker/muddier than the imageopt version. 01:05:53 <|amethyst> hm 01:05:59 what image are you using 01:06:08 <|amethyst> it shouldn't change the appearance 01:06:22 <|amethyst> unless it stripped out some colour profile headers maybe? 01:06:24 because i would suspect that the image contains a gamma chunk 01:06:34 <|amethyst> that 01:06:50 <|amethyst> also, I see a doy commit 01:06:53 how would I check that 01:07:03 uh let's see 01:07:08 It did mention 01:07:10 Output IDAT size = 336 bytes (518 bytes decrease) 01:07:35 http://entropymine.com/jason/tweakpng/ there 01:07:44 uh 01:07:49 you know that's useless to me, right 01:07:53 ~ oh right ~ 01:07:59 well upload the image for me then :v 01:08:10 already on it 01:08:38 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4070358/greatsling-raw.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4070358/greatsling-imageopt.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4070358/greatsling-opting.png 01:09:14 hm, I might have hallucinated the image quality diff between imageoptim and optipng/advpng 01:09:27 not between those and the original, though 01:09:32 oh my 01:09:42 <|amethyst> yeah, I definitely see a difference between the original and the optimised 01:09:58 lookie this 01:10:37 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ICC.png 01:10:41 a color profile chunk! 01:10:46 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:10:49 neat 01:11:28 hm. I wonder if that got added midway through by mistake 01:11:57 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:35 <|amethyst> probably they will look the same in Crawl 01:12:38 Bloax: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4070358/tomahawk.greatsling.png what do you get if you run your tool in this? 01:12:39 <|amethyst> they look the same in feh 01:12:44 in feh? 01:12:51 <|amethyst> a simple image viewer 01:12:53 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/greatsling-imageopt.png 01:13:06 this took some resaving 01:13:07 ah 01:13:33 Bloax: that looks the same to me...? 01:13:33 <|amethyst> Bloax: that also looks different from the raw for me in chrome 01:13:34 ^ 01:13:39 (but in firefox) 01:14:08 <|amethyst> oh, right 01:14:26 <|amethyst> I guess "in crawl" would only apply to local tiles 01:14:49 <|amethyst> then again, even in webtiles they will probably look the same in the tilesheet 01:15:34 <|amethyst> since I doubt tilegen preserves colour profiles 01:15:46 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:16:07 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 01:16:40 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:58 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:17:36 uh 01:17:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but that is a nice 180-byte saving over optipng + advpng 01:17:48 <|amethyst> s/ving/vings/ 01:17:48 i can't really say much more than that you're gonna have to deal with it 01:17:53 yeah I'll live 01:17:55 ty for the help! 01:17:56 i can't get rid of it 01:18:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: take the optimised version and brighten it until it visually matches 01:18:10 |amethyst: did you get a chance to glance at my gozag-trunkification? 01:18:21 icc:copyright Copyright 2007 Apple Inc., all rights reserved. 01:18:25 interesting 01:18:45 imagemagick apparently recognizes this as an apple colorspace 01:19:17 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: are you sure you wanted to take the R out of that shuffle? 01:19:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, nvm 01:19:29 yeah 01:19:41 <|amethyst> hm 01:19:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:20:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: doesn't that mean Gozag will always be next to the door in trunk? 01:20:28 yes 01:20:37 I considered that less ugly than leaving a hole in a random place 01:20:56 you could probably fix it with another lua line that performs a different shuffle depending on the gozag-validity check 01:20:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: could conditionalise the shuffle too, but I guess this will do :) 01:21:21 yeah, I do the same thing in a couple of places. not ideal but it'll only be noticeable to trunk players, and it's minor there 01:22:48 either way 01:22:51 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/c.png ha ha 615 bytes 01:23:15 <|amethyst> Bloax: PF's smallest was 605 :P 01:23:46 do you really want me to break out pngslim 01:23:50 absolutely not. 01:24:03 it's 2late 01:24:16 also I bumped the contrast to fix the weird darkening issue 01:24:32 which put the optimized filesize up to 644 01:24:37 a terrible loss.... 01:25:12 <|amethyst> weird, the imageopt version managed to be that small despite being RGBA, not colormap 01:25:24 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/c.png success!!! 01:25:39 575 01:25:41 nice 01:25:58 it took like 50 seconds to finish though 01:26:01 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:07 totally worth it (tm) 01:26:07 dang... 01:26:41 http://www.css-ig.net/pngslim 01:26:50 there's ridiculous as in using chains of png optimizers 01:26:54 then there's bruteforcing 01:26:59 and then there's being completely ridiculous 01:27:15 -!- eb_mobile has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:26 i am very much assuming this falls under the last category 01:27:32 it's you!!!! 01:27:42 because it sure is infamous for it 01:29:02 well -6% is not as silly as the "0 KB saved" screenshot wants people to believe 01:29:08 the real metric to be optimized for is decoding time on client imo 01:29:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2393-g54a05ab: Add greatsling tiles (roctavian) 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54a05abb729b 01:29:49 <|amethyst> Patashu: optimizing the individual tiles won't help with that 01:30:05 <|amethyst> Patashu: since they get stitched together into tilesheets and reoptimised 01:30:38 <|amethyst> (with optipng + advpng, so not as tightly as some of these methods) 01:31:14 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:31:20 <|amethyst> but, hey, the source download becomes very slightly smaller! 01:31:54 wait, if the build runs optipng/advpng 01:31:58 then why did I need to download...? 01:32:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: only if it's present 01:32:21 ahhh 01:32:23 ok 01:32:33 <|amethyst> (so official builds and at least some of the webtiles servers) 01:32:54 stable releases could be run through something heftier 01:33:22 since they are usually rather stable 01:33:33 <|amethyst> most of these heftier tools don't seem to be available outside of Windows and/or OS X 01:34:10 it's funny how of all the things that are so windows-unfriendly 01:34:16 png squishing is a windows sport 01:34:31 <|amethyst> well, the server that does the builds doesn't run Windows 01:34:48 <|amethyst> so unless you want to require manual intervention for stable builds... 01:35:44 <|amethyst> we don't even use Windows to do the Windows builds :P 01:35:56 well obviously 01:36:05 because building on windows is ridiculously slow 01:36:30 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:33 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:36:43 <|amethyst> I should probably crack open my copy of Visual Studio again to see if VS builds actually work still 01:36:44 I am very tired but will push the gozag thing in the morning if it still looks reasonable 01:38:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, trying to decide whether the vault stuff should be separated; would be easier to revert that way; but then again we'd probably want to revert the C++ changes at the same time 01:38:22 yeah I think this whole thing should be reverted en-masse 01:38:23 when the time comes 01:39:15 and when the time comes 01:39:22 there will be an assload of other changes 01:39:24 anyway, after the push, are we good for feature freeze? 01:39:30 so making it work will be likewise a pain 01:39:46 Bloax: eh? not necessarily to anything affected by the commit... 01:40:08 well hopefully it'll be nice and easy 01:40:21 so that gozag won't be the god of development hell 01:40:23 <|amethyst> I imagine this will be reverted as soon as 0.15 is tagged 01:40:49 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:18 that works 01:41:22 <|amethyst> since I don't think we're planning on having Gozag sit out 0.16 too :) 01:41:28 in'shallah 01:41:36 gozag nukem forever 01:41:45 lava gozag 01:41:46 gozag orcs 01:41:58 gold orcs 01:42:17 when would it make sense to start 0.16 planning? 01:42:52 back when 0.10 was a thing 01:43:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I know the meaning, but for some reason that makes me think of "Entil'Zha" 01:43:47 ok just googled that 01:43:49 you may be 01:43:52 the biggest nerd 01:44:08 breaking news...! 01:44:09 http://www3.sympatico.ca/mt0000/bicom/bicom.html wee 01:44:50 <|amethyst> The Z'ha'dum that Came to Sarnath 01:45:34 can you guess what's the fun part about this ppm compressor 01:47:19 "the fun part about this ppm compressor" 01:47:20 <|amethyst> That it was probably covered by patents up until a few years ago? 01:47:21 no 01:47:23 no, I can't guess, actually 01:47:44 the fact that it can decompress any file! 01:47:50 and then compress it back into the original file 01:48:02 (or well, you can also compress it and decompress it back into the original file :v) 01:48:19 <|amethyst> for values of "decompress" that might make it smaller :) 01:48:26 <|amethyst> so you should try it both ways just to be sure 01:49:19 judging by how it can still increase the filesize by compressing despite not leaving any markers that tell it what to do, you'd be right 01:49:48 <|amethyst> You can't have a lossless compression algorithm that doesn't make files bigger sometimes 01:49:55 <|amethyst> except for 'cat' 01:50:15 they have many names 01:50:27 <|amethyst> (also ignoring cheating like storing some of the bits in the filename) 01:50:32 and probably over 80% of their inventors speak garbled english 01:50:53 you know, http://encode.ru/threads/2008-FRIENDLY-OPEN-LETTER-TO-M-MAHONEY-in-same-spirit-as-Bohr-Einstein-s like this guy 01:51:04 |amethyst: imho store it in the path 01:51:13 <|amethyst> yah comp.compression 01:51:20 <|amethyst> s/yah/yay/ 01:51:31 well this isn't comp.compression 01:51:31 I only vaguely remember reading about that challenge but it was pretty funny 01:51:32 fortunately 01:51:48 anyway 01:51:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140727030204]] 01:53:27 it seems strange that people keep trying to think of ways to compress random data 01:53:35 because it implies that you can compress anything 01:53:52 which means that a 0 or 1 bit can mean 0, 1, 2 or 3 01:53:54 and how would that be 01:54:35 <|amethyst> no odder than that people keep trying to build perpetuum mobiles 01:55:12 <|amethyst> perpetua mobilia ? 01:55:55 this guy apparently thinks you can use quantum bits for storing regular bits or something 01:56:10 which you very probably can 01:56:23 and it would take up less "bits"! 01:56:34 except how do you read a quantum bit on an ordinary computer 01:56:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:57:23 except that's apparently not what he's talking about because making sense is for wusses 01:57:43 and either way it's time to crash 01:57:45 g'night 01:57:55 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 01:59:21 -!- ruwin has quit [] 02:00:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:16 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:02 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:07:54 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:09 -!- 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out plants 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65b51e361dd4 03:37:48 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:38:22 -!- soulfreshner has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:38:23 <|amethyst> Nice bugfixes from the elusive doy 03:38:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:39:24 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:40:11 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:45:27 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:47:37 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:23 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:29 -!- Souljazz has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 03:55:48 -!- Philonous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:51 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:06:30 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:07:47 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:10:03 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 04:13:27 -!- 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Grunt evaporates and reforms as a emperor scorpion! 07:02:46 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 07:05:48 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:55 Kvaak: how do you mean? 07:06:07 i thought they already had those 07:06:12 they don't 07:06:27 whether you hit the monster with a 1# magic dart or a 10# crystal spear it's always just ! 07:07:12 ?? epic bugs[$ 07:07:12 epic bugs[18/18]: You reflect the bolt off your +0 shield of reflection! 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Use !messages to read them. 11:36:16 !tell |amethyst "your 9.7 MiB binary before packing is very cute"? 11:36:16 bh: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 11:37:42 The problem we had with Android builds is that only galehar had the signing key we were using, so we can't do an "official" build at this point. 11:38:02 galehar is gone? 11:38:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:03 Well, he's no longer active 11:39:25 But it would surprise me if he was completely and utterly gone 11:39:40 ^ right. Whatever the case, we shouldn't have a single point of failure on a signing key 11:40:56 (The paranoid person in me would like to see the key distributed to the person doing the builds, and then secret shares for reconstructing the key sent to members of the team) 11:40:56 Indeed 11:41:14 Ohhh, nicely paranoid 11:41:43 not that I think anyone is going to try to 0wnz the crawl binary, but because I'd rather not have a copy of the signing key lying around on my harddrive 11:43:09 Either way, the current Android implementation is trash and I'd rather get work done on the SDL2 port to get something properly usable done before we consider making more Android builds. 11:43:57 Grunt: even if it's trash, is 0.15 on a trash android build worse than no build? 11:50:05 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 11:50:26 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:23 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:54 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:32 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:39 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:46 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:57:11 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:04:33 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:14:03 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2399-gcf7884e (34) 12:17:26 -!- Grunt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:17:44 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:29 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:31 !seen galehar 12:21:31 I last saw galehar at Fri May 9 11:56:41 2014 UTC (12w 1d 5h 24m 50s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 276 seconds'. 12:25:54 bh: having attempted to play the current one many times, I think I have to answer yes 12:26:03 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:22 current one is only viable with a bluetooth keyboard and even then has many UI bugs making if effectuively unplayable 12:27:36 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 12:30:14 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:22 Grunt: yay. galehar has the key. He's on vacation, though 12:41:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46:14 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2400-g8064468: Make Gozag trunk-only 10(11 hours ago, 12 files, 46+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=806446854259 12:47:04 <|amethyst> bh: Because it's so small... before stripping etc mine are 90-110 MiB depending on build options and compiler flags 12:47:07 |amethyst: wait... you didn't forget a decimal point? 12:47:13 <|amethyst> bh: nope 12:47:13 OK. As I see it, we are now good for feature freeze. 12:47:16 o_0 12:47:22 <|amethyst> bh: you're using clang or gcc? 12:47:31 gcc 12:47:42 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 12:47:45 The remaining TODOs for 0.15 are tiles and perhaps tweaking a few ranged weapon numbers, neither of which are likely to introduce bugs. 12:48:00 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:00 <|amethyst> bh: they stip down to about 13 MiB 12:48:09 <|amethyst> bh: 32-bit build here, too 12:48:12 <|amethyst> bh: s/stip/strip/ 12:48:32 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:49 <|amethyst> bh: -O0 for most (but the profiled build that is 110 MiB unstripped is optimised) 12:49:03 PleasingFungus: imo update the changelog first :) 12:49:09 I can do that 12:49:14 (not necessarily PleasingFungus, but we should do that in general) 12:49:20 I've been doing it once a week 12:49:23 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49:26 generally right before making a blog post 12:49:29 <|amethyst> Grunt: do you have anything to add to the release process documentation? 12:49:31 since there tends to be significant overlap 12:49:43 |amethyst: I think it's still largely up to date at this point. I'll have a look. 12:50:00 <|amethyst> Grunt: I ask because it hasn't been touched in over a year; but maybe nothing's changed in that time 12:51:14 Grunt: thanks for volunteering to do the android build, btw :) 12:52:16 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:53:35 Hm. Besides the Gozag thing, the only change worth mentioning in the changelog is the ugly thing buff. And I'm not sure about that. 12:53:56 Gonna just touch gozag for now. 12:55:33 -!- Brannock__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55:48 I guess I'll remove him from the changelog, branch, then revert the removal? 12:55:59 hm 12:56:09 -!- Brannock__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:25 gozag: stalin photoshop edition 12:56:30 rip 12:56:52 ??git 12:56:52 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 12:56:55 ??git[2 12:56:55 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 12:57:15 could always just make the removal in the branch, of course 12:58:18 red wasp (05y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 2304(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 544 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 12:58:18 %??Red wasp 13:02:35 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:49 hm 13:02:55 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:02 * PleasingFungus grunts. 13:03:04 I guess I normally use -a for tagging these days and not -s. 13:03:08 ah, okay 13:03:14 that's something that's changed from the release docs, then! 13:04:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:04:29 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 13:04:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:05:33 -!- Mandragora has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:12:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2401-g0f053f1: Don't display disabled gods in the ?/ list 10(10 minutes ago, 3 files, 16+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f053f10eb5b 13:13:53 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:15:03 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:04 -!- sstrickl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:04 -!- sstrickl_ is now known as sstrickl 13:16:09 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:53 "Your ability to use some magical items is also influenced by your intelligence." 13:16:56 What does this refer to? 13:17:13 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:52 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:12 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:28 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you need at least 2 int to use a CBoE 13:19:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: otherwise I don't see anything :) 13:19:39 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:40 oh, last time I looked it was 0 13:19:41 I thought 13:20:04 ah, no, I see, that's <=, not < 13:20:05 you're right 13:20:41 remind me the command to update the manual? 13:20:51 make rest? 13:21:23 <|amethyst> yes 13:22:53 oh, give it a rest 13:22:56 * Grunt flees in terror. 13:23:12 !banish Grunt 13:23:12 PleasingFungus casts a spell. Grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 13:23:18 !rebase PleasingFungus 13:23:18 Grunt rebases PleasingFungus. PleasingFungus is banished to the reflog! 13:24:32 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2402-g61c507c: Update the manual for 0.15 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61c507c1d1b9 13:25:09 okay. 13:25:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:40 I guess it probably makes sense to remove gozag from the changelog for now, and then restore him when we start the 0.16 changelog (to the 0.16 section). 13:25:41 -!- crawlmirrorbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2403-g91670f7: Remove Gozag from the changelog 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91670f780909 13:26:25 %git 0.13-b1 13:26:25 07Grunt02 * 0.13-b1: Touch the 0.13 changelog header with the tentative release date. 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d9921b7878b 13:26:29 %git 0.12-b1 13:26:29 07galehar02 * 0.12-b1: Fix formatting of some russian and german tutorial entries. 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 2 files, 79+ 153-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a295f787a041 13:26:33 %git 0.14-b1 13:26:33 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1: A changelog touch-up to kick off the 0.14 branch. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90d5cc33569b 13:26:37 %git 0.15-a0 13:26:37 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0: A 0.15 changelog header. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dfb4df3e3ea 13:26:41 hm 13:26:47 %git HEAD^{/just-removed} 13:26:48 Could not find commit HEAD^{/just-removed} (git returned 128) 13:26:52 %git HEAD^{/just removed} 13:26:52 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-696-g82f6ad1: Remove decks of dungeons and a number of now-unused cards 10(3 months ago, 24 files, 129+ 387-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82f6ad17de14 13:26:57 %git HEAD^{/Restore some just} 13:26:59 Could not find commit HEAD^{/Restore some just} (git returned 128) 13:27:01 hm 13:27:06 I know I've done this before!!! 13:27:19 rip 13:27:25 I think it is time to branch 13:27:58 time 13:27:59 to 13:28:00 branch out 13:28:01 ??? 13:28:15 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:28:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2404-g7e3910a: oops 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e3910a46e31 13:28:53 perhaps! 13:28:57 !send Grunt potion of lignification 13:28:57 Sending potion of lignification to Grunt. 13:29:27 PleasingFungus: don't forget the most important part 13:29:29 a great tag message 13:29:30 !!!! 13:29:41 (this applies to the 0.16-a0 tag too) 13:29:46 hm 13:30:14 fr potion of paper bag 13:30:14 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:10 oh, the release guide is wrong 13:31:19 what 13:31:22 git branch stone_soup.0.X 13:31:25 should be git branch stone_soup-0.X 13:31:30 dang 13:31:34 ...! 13:31:36 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 13:33:55 New branch created: stone_soup-0.15 (0 commits) 13:34:26 gasp 13:35:02 is .15 close or something? 13:35:13 getting closer! 13:35:38 ! 13:35:47 that means tourney time 13:35:52 in a few weeks, yes 13:36:47 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-b1-1-g2f6d402: Correct the release guide 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f6d4022f193 13:39:16 hm, that's misleading 13:39:18 whoops 13:41:19 Tags are pushed. 13:41:34 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:57 speaking of tourney time, is anyone interested in taking over some of the tournament organization/rulesmaking/coding responsibilities from me? I haven't been very active with crawl recently and I doubt I'll have the time to make any exciting changes to the tournament this time if it is left to me alone 13:44:24 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:19 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 13:45:36 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:24 PleasingFungus: rip the 0.16 season 13:46:35 this is foreshadowing for my planned mimic changes btw 13:47:02 Don't the rules stay the same from season to season mostly? 13:47:27 <|amethyst> TS__: there are usually changes to the banners 13:47:45 <|amethyst> or some percentage of them 13:49:40 <|amethyst> whoever wants to do tourney stuff, send me a pubkey and I'll give you access to the 'tourney' account on CSZO where this stuff lives 13:49:46 yeah, usually there are a few new banners and a couple of other rules changes 13:49:52 Qazlal banner needed 13:49:52 <3 13:50:34 <|amethyst> Tier 3: Get a different crash in each branch of the dungeon 13:50:39 even just someone to come up with a reasonable set of banners/rules changes would be helpful, I can probably manage the actual coding/running of the scripts 13:51:09 oh, yeah 13:51:29 (but if someone else wants to learn how the scripts work, that would be great) 13:51:59 I wonder if WalkerBoh could be convinced to help. He's been running the CSDC tourneys 13:52:20 And he's pretty familiar with that type of script 13:52:44 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:01 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:00 hrm. since we nerfed corrosion, I guess we could make corroding gas clouds. 14:00:32 I was thinking about some kind of asphyxiating rust cloud, for a rust demon 14:00:38 (iron shot, cloud of rust, possibly something else) 14:01:20 There's going to be a rust cloud? 14:01:25 er, rust demon? 14:01:32 it's an idea I've been playing with 14:01:45 cloud of asphyxiating dust 14:02:44 > 14:06:18 <|amethyst> bh: we have acid clouds 14:06:24 <|amethyst> bh: just not very common 14:06:48 |amethyst: yellow dracs? 14:06:53 bh: rod of clouds 14:06:53 <|amethyst> rod of clouds 14:07:03 <|amethyst> Grunt: nice alignment 14:07:06 <3 14:07:08 oh. had no idea they did that 14:07:23 it's high-power 14:07:39 also I sort of wanted to play with a non-acid source of corrosion, mainly for thematic reasons 14:08:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'd rather make rCorr and rAcid less than more distinct 14:08:16 <|amethyst> as in merge them entirely 14:09:05 <|amethyst> which I guess could work by just calling it rCorr always 14:09:07 yes 14:09:18 I think they actually are the same thing right now 14:09:20 for players 14:09:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:50 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: except for wisp form 14:10:10 well 14:10:12 wisp form has rcorr 14:10:14 and racid 14:10:16 and more racid 14:10:28 <|amethyst> oh, I see 14:10:35 ...I am not really clear on why wisp form is acid-immune 14:11:03 because it's a wisp? 14:11:07 yes, and? 14:11:08 Because it's insubstantial 14:11:17 fr: acid wisp form 14:11:17 why would that make it specially immune to acid? 14:11:24 I believe this is also why it's invulnerable to melee attacks 14:11:24 moreso than, say, swords 14:11:28 nrook: o/ 14:12:13 Well, sticky flame falls through insubstantial things. Maybe acid doesn't do damage if it falls through you . . . I'm sure that's not true of wraiths tho :p 14:12:34 afaik acid damages insubstantial enemies 14:12:38 yeah 14:12:48 So, I suppose consistency would be making it damage wisps 14:13:35 would also remove some silly special cases :) 14:14:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-1-gac5757d: Kick off the 0.16 changelog. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac5757d781aa 14:14:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-2-g190ec6e: Revert "Make Gozag trunk-only" 10(6 minutes ago, 14 files, 15+ 58-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=190ec6e66d1b 14:15:00 PleasingFungus: you probably could have left the latter alone 14:15:06 So Gozag is bumped to 0.16? 14:15:08 but whatever 14:15:09 :) 14:15:14 yeah 14:15:17 it is very ugly code and makes me sad 14:15:19 rip gozag for .15 14:15:25 the vault lua 14:15:26 very ugly code 14:15:27 ??? 14:15:29 ... 14:15:33 HD:18 14:15:34 <3 14:15:36 <3 14:15:43 af_bug 14:15:57 * PleasingFungus is devoured by a swarm of apathetic bugs. 14:15:57 hmm, given a 60-card deck with 4 of a given card, what's the probability of getting at least one in a 7-card draw? show your work. 14:16:02 buggy very ugly thing (12u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 76-121 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(72) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1441 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:16:02 %??very ugly thing col:lightblue 14:16:03 absolutely not 14:16:07 there's your AF_BUG 14:16:18 quite powerful...... 14:16:22 SamB: Someone's trying to build a Magic deck 14:17:00 I'm actually realizing how rusty I am at probability in trying to think about the building of magic decks 14:17:04 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:17:19 -!- alefury has quit [] 14:17:43 SamB: How to build a better magic deck: step 1: add 4 goyf 14:17:45 done 14:17:57 Your odds are something like 1 - (56/60 * 55/59 * 54/58 etc) 14:18:49 ~40% 14:19:06 not bad 14:19:16 I always wondered if there was a probabilistic attack against mana weaving in magic 14:19:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:09 i.e., if you assume your opponent has "shuffled" their deck such that lands are less clumpily arranged than a purely random shuffle, is there some way you can reshuffle the deck to make lands clumpier than normal instead 14:20:19 The attack against mana weaving is forcing your opponent to allow you to shuffle their deck before you play 14:20:38 ##crawl-mtg? 14:20:48 good point 14:22:10 nemelex joke 14:22:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:24 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24:26 -!- owl is now known as read 14:25:07 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:32 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:34 -!- BrainTurd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:57 uh oh 14:31:11 i guess i'm runnign short of time to finish the spell icons :X 14:31:20 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:31:46