00:01:37 |amethyst: what do i use if not arrival 00:01:55 do i just weight it really high and see if it shows up on d:21 00:01:57 1* 00:02:26 %git :/oly 00:02:26 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2250-g6aa080c: Fix a missing floor tile in Holy Pan 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6aa080c084b3 00:04:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05:16 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:13 hey coding folks, how different are working with c++ and working with c# 00:06:47 very 00:06:50 c# is java 00:06:54 c++ is.... c 00:07:07 <|amethyst> :P 00:07:09 c++ is c with too many extras 00:07:18 imho bring back C With Objects 00:07:40 Objective C objects to your notion 00:08:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2287-g456eec3 (34) 00:08:35 dang 00:08:58 <|amethyst> classy 00:09:49 PleasingFungus: I put a ring of Ice on, but had to recast ozo's armour for it to take affect, is this intended? 00:10:04 yes 00:10:18 we ended up discussing it and decided to make power based on your stats at time of casting 00:10:44 the one way you're encouraged to swap in enhancers, the other you're encouraged to swap in wizardry or power.... 00:10:54 -!- Kramin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:27 <|amethyst> and the current way avoids having to set AC redraw whenever you change equipment or gain skill 00:11:52 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:14 yes 00:12:28 but technical issues are not fundamentally insurmountable - the design argument is stronger, I think 00:13:01 did my message go through? I just disc 00:13:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:24 the last message we got was "PleasingFungus: I put a ring of Ice on, but had to recast ozo's armour for it to take affect, is this intended?" 00:13:29 <|amethyst> 01:10:04 <+PleasingFungus> yes 00:13:30 <|amethyst> 01:10:18 <+PleasingFungus> we ended up discussing it and decided to make power based on your stats at time of casting 00:13:32 yep 00:13:32 <|amethyst> 01:10:44 <+PleasingFungus> the one way you're encouraged to swap in enhancers, the other you're encouraged to swap in wizardry or power.... 00:13:38 augh just tell him to read the logs 00:13:42 don't ping me a thousand times!! 00:13:47 I'll break out in hives 00:13:52 -!- CSDCS has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:13:56 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:06 thanks 00:14:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:43 -!- Kramin_ is now known as Kramin 00:16:30 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:01 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2287-g456eec3 (34) 00:24:47 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:29:15 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:42:07 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:42 yo, reaverb 00:43:50 Hello! 00:43:54 how are you? 00:44:00 good. 00:44:10 That's good :) 00:44:30 I'm thinking again about reverting 8af576bb844. 00:44:45 or at least the non-apis part 00:45:15 Hmm, does anybody else support that? 00:45:47 not gonna discuss it on the merits? 00:45:55 idk if this needs to be a popularity contest... 00:46:02 or a contest at all, ofc 00:46:08 03reaverb02 07[smithgod_rebased] * 0.15-a0-2314-g5b6e44f: Merge branch 'master' into smithgod_rebased 10(12 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b6e44f7a7a5 00:46:13 I was asking what you thought about it, since I don't want to revert war 00:46:37 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2287-g456eec3 00:46:54 ??tso retribution 00:46:54 tso retribution[1/1]: Killing holy monsters may cause TSO to blast you with cleansing flame. Damage is 2d(5+XL*7/12), increased by 50% for undead and demonspawn. The chance of retribution is 0 if you are worshipping a good god, 1/6 for an evil god and 1/8 otherwise. Your current god (unless Xom or in penance) has a piety/400 of blocking it as well. 00:47:06 if you dont revert it, you can delete this entry once 0.15 is released 00:47:08 !!! 00:47:30 on the one hand, I don't like holy damage. on the other hand, I like retribution damage. 00:47:30 Um 00:47:43 (holy damage is not a great mechanic and it is especially bad vs players) 00:47:44 Snake:5, done exploring, all stairs, NO RUNE 00:47:50 again! 00:48:21 why do I keep getting this 00:48:22 -!- rephenryclay has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48:27 curse 00:49:34 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [] 00:49:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:14 eh. I wish holy monsters were well designed 00:51:49 Experimental (smithgod_rebased) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2314-g5b6e44f 00:56:04 reaverb: I retract that for now; I will reconsider it at a later date 00:56:17 PleasingFungus: Thanks. 00:57:36 yo bloax 00:57:41 hi 00:57:47 how's it going 00:57:54 very sleepily 00:57:58 ah 00:58:02 later, then :) 00:58:07 ok 00:58:36 gotta stomp some scrubs in doom duels before bedtime at eight in the morning 00:58:49 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14 br.end=snake 00:58:50 1948. [2014-07-26 21:00:00] guizzmo the Destroyer (L20 GrWz of Vehumet) reached level 5 of the Snake Pit on turn 68681. (Snake:5) 00:58:51 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:55 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14 rune=serpentine 00:58:56 1688. [2014-07-26 18:42:53] 79bit the Warrior (L18 GrFi of Okawaru) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 33492. (Snake:5) 00:59:00 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15 br.end=snake 00:59:00 No milestones for * (0.15 br.end=snake). 00:59:07 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.15-a0 br.end=snake 00:59:07 No milestones for * (0.15-a0 br.end=snake). 00:59:14 <|amethyst> !lm * cv~~0.15 br.end=snake 00:59:15 2964. [2014-07-27 05:36:00] Kramin the Ripper (L15 FeIE of Kikubaaqudgha) reached level 5 of the Snake Pit on turn 57142. (Snake:5) 00:59:20 <|amethyst> !lm * cv~~0.15 rune=serpentine 00:59:21 2578. [2014-07-27 05:06:41] bananaken the Wrestler (L18 TrCK of Xom) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 33714. (Snake:5) 00:59:55 -!- dienosore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:07 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:41 TeshiAlair (L16 VSAs) (Swamp:2) 01:04:50 TeshiAlair (L16 VSAs) (Swamp:2) 01:04:58 <|amethyst> !crashlog TeshiAlair 01:04:58 No milestones for TeshiAlair (crash). 01:05:06 <|amethyst> !crashlog TeshiAlair 01:05:07 2. TeshiAlair, XL16 VSAs, T:33308 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/TeshiAlair/crash-TeshiAlair-20140727-060447.txt 01:05:18 TeshiAlair (L16 VSAs) (Swamp:2) 01:06:05 map generation bug? 01:06:08 <|amethyst> segfault inside dump_char -> ... -> Stash::Write -> userdef_annotate_item -> CLua::callfn -> CLua::pushglobal 01:06:13 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:38 <|amethyst> !crashlog TeshiAlair 1 01:06:39 1. TeshiAlair, XL16 VSAs, T:33308 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/TeshiAlair/crash-TeshiAlair-20140727-060439.txt 01:07:01 the game message log made me wonder 01:07:06 some weird rcfile interaction...? 01:07:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:07:54 &rc TeshiAlair 01:07:56 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/TeshiAlair.rc 01:07:58 ^ standard rc file. 01:08:28 worth checking 01:08:37 idk, lua is not really in my wheelhouse 01:11:08 <|amethyst> everything looks fine down to the lua_getglobal call 01:11:18 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11:34 <|amethyst> let me see about getting lua symbols 01:11:35 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:08 |amethyst: liblua you mean? 01:12:18 <|amethyst> yeah 01:12:36 <|amethyst> luaH_getstr (t=0x373d7b0, key=0x2ee5920) 01:12:40 so you have a core file or you can replicate the crash? 01:12:47 <|amethyst> core file 01:13:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:16:02 <|amethyst> Node *n = hashstr(t, key); in ltable.c. n is 0x20 01:16:22 <|amethyst> err, the actual line of the error is after that, but n = 0x20 would explain the crash 01:16:26 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:17:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:17:24 line numbers are lies anyway in this sort of thing ;-P 01:17:25 -!- DocEon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:01 yeah, that doesn't sound like a very valid memory address 01:18:57 Hi there. I just commented in ##crawl. 01:18:59 PleasingFungus: we do try to avoid it being so, in general ;-) 01:19:06 I don't mean to repeat myself if it's pestering, but I wanted to say that my game crashed! 01:19:10 and, that I have a crash report. 01:19:12 It is an online game. 01:19:19 Playing under that username? 01:19:23 Correct. 01:19:27 !crashlog doceon 01:19:27 No milestones for doceon (crash). 01:19:30 huh 01:19:32 on s-z 01:19:42 !lg docEon 01:19:43 581. DocEon the Shatterer (L17 OgBe of Trog), hit from afar by Polyphemus (large rock) on Shoals:2 on 2014-07-27 01:05:37, with 143290 points after 41594 turns and 1:33:16. 01:19:53 uh. 01:19:54 !lm doceon 01:19:54 4663. [2014-07-27 06:07:33] DocEon the Carver (L14 DsGl of Okawaru) entered the Orcish Mines on turn 25426. (D:11) 01:19:55 DocEon: not as TeshiAlair 01:19:55 now it's working. 01:19:58 oh 01:19:59 that's weird. 01:20:06 It crashed about four times. 01:20:08 DocEon: sometimes it's not synced yet 01:20:12 what do you mean by 'crashed' 01:20:22 It stopped running and booted me to the lobby. 01:20:32 And then when I tried to return to the game, it said 'game crashed' 01:20:36 and gave me a link to a crash log. 01:20:37 Sec. 01:20:59 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/DocEon/crash-DocEon-20140727-060917.txt 01:21:19 and, er, I guess sometimes it fails to emit a milestone? 01:21:20 <|amethyst> same crash as TeshiAlair's 01:23:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:23:19 must be something from today, since these crashes just started showing up after the rebuild 01:23:31 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:24:35 -!- ccasin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24:36 <|amethyst> same thing for me when I enter orc:4 01:25:41 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .] 01:25:52 <|amethyst> oh, maybe not 01:25:55 <|amethyst> Unable to generate level for 'Orc:4' 01:26:52 -!- phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:30:20 <|amethyst> VETO: Orc:4: Failed to connect exits for: grunt_orc_garden (and pretty much every other vault) 01:30:30 <|amethyst> I think grunt's fix didn't handle spotty 01:31:13 spotty? 01:31:20 a layout, presumably 01:31:45 <|amethyst> it's a flag that orc, forest, swamp, and slime has 01:31:48 <|amethyst> s/has/have/ 01:33:05 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:19 -!- DocEon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:37:43 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-2288-ga5df18c: Don't veto every O/S/M/A level with a primary vault. 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5df18ca803b 01:37:50 <|amethyst> not sure how that led to the Lua error, but I will assume that was the cause 01:38:03 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:39:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2288-ga5df18c (34) 01:39:46 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:39:54 rebuild? 01:40:34 <|amethyst> just did rebuild CSZO, and just started CDO 01:41:04 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2288-ga5df18c (34) 01:41:06 <|amethyst> ^version 01:41:07 trunk: 0.15-a0-2254-ga39016e; 0.14: 0.14.1-26-g5a19342; 0.13: 0.13.2 01:41:20 <|amethyst> $version 01:41:21 trunk: 0.15-a0-2265-gb33f7a6; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.4 01:41:35 <|amethyst> !version 01:41:39 trunk: 0.15-a0-2255-g3a38826; 0.14: 0.14.1-26-g5a19342; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 01:41:45 <|amethyst> none of those need rebuilds 01:41:56 <|amethyst> at leas,t they don't have 01:42:07 <|amethyst> %git ed6adb9 01:42:08 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-2276-ged6adb9: Veto a level if the primary vault's exits fail to connect. 10(7 hours ago, 2 files, 14+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed6adb91d215 01:42:14 <|amethyst> s/,t/t,/ 01:42:36 wasn't that one just harmless? 01:42:39 (and useless) 01:43:18 <|amethyst> no, you're thinking of 01:43:20 <|amethyst> %git a0271052 01:43:20 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-2248-ga027105: Connect exits of primary vault to layout after building layout. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 20+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a02710520930 01:43:26 o 01:43:33 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44:35 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:44:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2289-g437b45a: Refactor _print_stats_wp() 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 48+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=437b45a3ff99 01:44:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2290-g7a410f2: Correct a comment 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a410f2d1ae6 01:44:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2291-g2252c12: Make rPois a bit more consistent (for players) 10(15 minutes ago, 4 files, 26+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2252c1227e57 01:53:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140723030202]] 01:57:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:58:05 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:32 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:01 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 02:05:51 hey Grunt, do friendly summons get the accuracy penalties from umbra if you worship dithmenos 02:08:23 also corollary, if they normally do, would shadow creatures be an exception ;V 02:09:07 tolly: That's more of a ##crawl question. 02:09:58 Although the best person to ask that question would probably be Patashu <_< >_> 02:10:05 vOv 02:10:06 why patashu 02:10:15 i thought grunt implemented dithstuff 02:10:24 He delved up a bunch of information on Dith a while back. 02:10:39 Umbras already existed before Dith (Profane Servitors) 02:10:50 Grunt did implement dith. 02:11:55 <|amethyst> in any event, yes: monsters who are neither undead, yred worshippers, nor dith worshippers suffer accuracy penalties when attacking umbraed defenders 02:12:24 <|amethyst> !source attack.cc:307 02:12:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l307 02:12:33 <|amethyst> !source monster::nightvision 02:12:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l6357 02:14:51 <|amethyst> also, it seems kind of weird that player yredites get nightvision at ** but no message about it 02:15:13 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:17 <|amethyst> Can you actually be gifted a servitor at ** ? 02:15:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:30 i think it's *** 02:16:38 ??umbra 02:16:38 umbra[1/1]: An aura which increases stealth, causes accuracy penalties and cancels out haloes. Undead, *+ Dithmenos worshippers, and ***+ Yredelemnul worshippers are immune to the accuracy reduction. Produced by profane servitors, Dithmenos worshippers, and anyone who wears the {ring of shadows}. 02:16:44 <|amethyst> oh 02:17:00 <|amethyst> stupid piety_breakpoint argument 02:17:05 not a huge difference though probably 02:17:22 Hmm, there are other God things which don't give a message on gaining piety (Example: Chei slowing the Abyss) 02:17:30 Although that one does have a message. 02:17:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:40 would summons under dith getting penalty immunity be a good or bad thing 02:19:41 It doesn't matter either way, sounds like a bikeshed issue. 02:20:57 well in that case i'd say good thing just because it opens up options for both summoners and dith worshippers :V 02:21:09 <|amethyst> "opens up options"? 02:21:09 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2291-g2252c12 (34) 02:21:19 <|amethyst> you mean, makes the game very slightly easier? 02:22:21 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 02:22:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:25:44 there's better ways of making the game harder than constraining player options 02:26:06 <|amethyst> What options are being constrained? 02:26:16 %git 8af576bb844 02:26:16 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1473-g8af576b: Remove Holy monsters' death curses 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 3+ 87-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8af576bb8446 02:26:16 <|amethyst> It doesn't prevent you from summoning under Dith 02:26:30 <|amethyst> it doesn't even make summons under Dith useless 02:26:40 <|amethyst> just somewhat weaker 02:26:56 <|amethyst> except not even that 02:27:02 <|amethyst> because they're also harder to hit themselves 02:27:04 shadow creatures are undead, right? 02:27:07 <|amethyst> no 02:27:10 oh 02:27:12 <|amethyst> well, the undead ones are 02:27:15 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:27:16 Kramin: now they're just whatever they are 02:27:28 branch-appropriate monsters 02:29:34 |amethyst: it would be funner if dith were a good option for summoners, and summoning a good option for dith worshippers, is my opinion 02:30:11 -!- januszeal is now known as januszeal` 02:30:36 <|amethyst> We could make dithmenos give your all summons +20% hit points 02:31:16 that's not very thematic though 02:31:52 what about we make Qazlal summoning friendly too while we're at it 02:32:00 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:01 tolly: 02:32:02 nightvision() 02:32:05 err, drat. 02:32:11 !lg * --Su Dith 02:32:11 41. Daolon the Caller (L5 DESu of Dithmenos), slain by Rontapazu's ghost on D:4 on 2014-07-23 04:38:09, with 153 points after 4692 turns and 0:25:06. 02:32:48 Kramin: what does that have to do with anything 02:32:59 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:33:06 <|amethyst> tolly: because Qazlal is actually actively hostile to summons 02:33:15 qazlal is a god of indiscriminate destruction, it makes sense thematically 02:33:30 <|amethyst> unlike the minor (and double-edged) inconvenience with Dith 02:33:41 tolly: gameplay > theme 02:34:06 reaverb: to an extent 02:34:07 <|amethyst> I could see doing what you said with just shadow creatures 02:34:12 <|amethyst> and not just with dith, but in general 02:34:21 <|amethyst> (giving them night vision) 02:34:30 dith is the god of stealth, stealth is best performed alone, there's your flavour 02:34:32 <|amethyst> but I don't know if that's necessary 02:35:39 <|amethyst> IMO a god that improves your summons would be nice; but I guess that overlaps a little with the gods that give you summons 02:36:02 <|amethyst> I don't think it should be grafted onto an existing god though 02:36:26 <|amethyst> (unrip oldveh) 02:37:13 <|amethyst> though *just* "improves your summons" is too narrow 02:37:24 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:38:05 <|amethyst> since s/is/is probably/ 02:38:11 <|amethyst> err 02:38:17 <|amethyst> meta-s/since // 02:38:48 tolly: btw the most signficant effect "Dith worshiper summons don't have nightvision" has and ever will have on the game is that it just tied up 20 minutes of our time when we could be implementing giant frogs jumping or whatever <_< >_> 02:39:17 reaverb: sorry for wasting 20 minutes of your life i guess :V 02:39:34 <|amethyst> reaverb: basically blue devils with different messages? 02:39:53 |amethyst: Not a serious proposal :D 02:40:37 <|amethyst> FR: dance party vault with blue devils, red devils, and whatever else I can't think of at the moment 02:40:45 iron devils 02:40:46 tolly: Actually I guess the other effect "Invest some time so tolly gets better at game design" might be slightly larger, it depends on the future. 02:40:47 -!- ccasin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:41:12 |amethyst: Sounds like the Disco Pan vault. 02:41:22 <|amethyst> reaverb: oh yeah 02:41:49 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:41:56 reaverb: did we really establish that summons being subject to the effects of dith aura is a positive design element though :V 02:42:23 <|amethyst> it's consistent with pretty much every other god 02:42:47 <|amethyst> gods don't give special abilities to your summons unless the god gave you those summons 02:43:37 tso aura helps your summons hit things much as it does for you, regardless of whether or not they're angels 02:44:01 and also makes your summons easier to hit and unable to go invisible. 02:44:32 which creatures can a tso worshipper summon that can go invisible anyway 02:44:49 boggart (06g) | Spd: 12 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-28 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(37) | XP: 117 | Sp: shadow creatures, invisibility, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 02:44:49 <|amethyst> %??boggart 02:44:53 shadow creatues. 02:45:06 also, consider that tso making summons easier to hit doesn't slow the game down 02:45:43 dithmenos making your summons less accurate probably will 02:45:45 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:46:29 I don't see how that argument can't be extended to "Missing things in general should be removed because it slows the game down" 02:46:49 (If I was making a roguelike from scratch it would probably not have attacks missing) 02:46:49 any argument taken to absurd extremes looks bad 02:46:52 you can cast invis on allies, right? 02:47:03 "dithmenos blesses your allies with the ability to see in deeper darkness" 02:47:46 allies are not part of dith's theme, and this would be a buff for summoners vs other classes 02:48:18 currently dith reduces the accuracy of the enemies and allies so it balances out 02:48:32 s/20 minutes/30 minutes/ <_< >_> 02:48:54 heh 02:50:42 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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I pulled the latest build yesterday. I quick search of Mantis and I can't find a similar issue. Should I just post it there? 10:48:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 10:49:02 -!- Krakhan|3 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:49:34 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:49:38 it's known 10:49:47 <|amethyst> RepHenryClay: try pulling a newer build 10:49:48 %git a5df18ca803 10:49:48 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-2288-ga5df18c: Don't veto every O/S/M/A level with a primary vault. 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5df18ca803b 10:49:51 yes, that 10:50:56 Gotcha. I'll do that. Would it be helpful if I still submitted the crash report? 10:51:35 :( 10:51:39 * Grunt feels extremely guilty. 10:51:41 <|amethyst> only for raising our fixed-bugs count 10:52:00 <|amethyst> I guess maybe also useful for others searching for the same problem? 10:52:29 <|amethyst> Grunt: 10:52:32 unknown monster: "epic bugs[$]" 10:52:32 <|amethyst> %??epic bugs[$] 10:52:37 <|amethyst> err 10:52:39 <|amethyst> ??epic bugs[$] 10:52:39 epic bugs[18/18]: You reflect the bolt off your +0 shield of reflection! The bolt hits the centaur warrior!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10:52:51 ...yes, I've seen that >_> 10:53:01 <|amethyst> ??epic bugs[6] 10:53:02 epic bugs[6/18]: Dash275 writes: There's a rather large security problem with the CSZO server. You don't actually need to enter a password to access an account. 10:55:57 Gotcha. Thanks for the response! 10:56:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:59 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:02:37 oh fuck i hope cbro doesn't have pf's rpois nerfs 11:04:00 oh no, it does :( should have cleared spider faster 11:04:03 haha 11:04:05 rip 11:04:07 hi wheals! 11:04:16 I'm like 90% sure I wanted to talk to you about something 11:04:19 I wonder what 11:04:34 oh huh why did you change strong poison 11:04:37 -!- eb_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:42 wasn't piercing rpois its "thing" 11:04:54 or maybe i'm thinking of nasty poison 11:04:56 |amethyst suggested it 11:05:12 the piercing rpois seemed unecessary now that normal poison can do that too; now it's just... HUGE POISON 11:05:23 (also it still pierces monster rpois because SYMMETRY) 11:05:25 (or lack thereof) 11:05:54 well, normal poison has been able to for 7 versions or so now :) but i see the point 11:06:16 it "has" been "able" "to" """ 11:06:23 -!- RepHenryClay has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:33 certainly noticeable in poison lair branches 11:07:06 for making acid more common, how about making death ooze's second attack AF_ACID and replacing crypt ghouls with them? 11:07:34 iirc I had some objection to that last time this came up 11:07:40 death ooze (06J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 11 | HP: 36-61 | AC/EV: 2/4 | Dam: 3204(rot), 32 | 07undead, 04eats items, evil, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(117), 02cold, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1093 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 11:07:40 %??death ooze 11:07:43 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 129-165 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 3004(rot), 30 | 07undead, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 1547 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:07:43 %??ghoul 11:07:53 right, yes. death oozes are made of balsa wood and twine 11:08:33 *rotting* balsa wood 11:08:43 gross 11:08:52 1learn add death_ooze 11:09:58 oh i guess having new torpor snails makes up for these critical skilled dgwn player nerfs 11:10:09 oh right 11:10:12 wheals: DEMIGODWANDERER 11:10:13 !!!! 11:12:26 what's wrong with ghouls 11:12:32 besides them being really strong 11:13:26 they're ghoul yaks 11:13:38 PleasingFungus: you mean 11:13:39 !glasses 11:13:39 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 11:13:41 undeath yaks 11:13:43 !!!!!!!!!! 11:13:44 also the issue with a strategic penalty (rot) caused by a melee attack 11:13:54 *a melee attack on a 10-speed monster 11:17:19 <|amethyst> five gears in the front, two in the back 11:17:37 (five gears good, two gears bad) 11:17:40 (...wait) 11:18:21 -!- odjn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:23 -!- zkyp_ is now known as zkyp 11:30:43 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:27 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:36:45 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:22 does the potion of experience have any more effect if used earlier or later? 11:40:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:42:06 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:44:27 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 11:46:14 this is more of a ##crawl question, I think. it's worth more earlier though 11:46:31 since, relatively, you get less out of the experience later 11:46:58 in around three ways, too 11:56:04 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57:50 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:50 <|amethyst> the skill points scale by XL though, so it's better to use just after levelling than just before 12:01:41 <|amethyst> (that could be adjusted to account for fractional levels) 12:08:40 probably it should be 12:10:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:38 -!- Kazimuth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-2291-g2252c12 (34) 12:17:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:33:40 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:40:11 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:02 -!- nymphicus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:45:51 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:07 edlothiol: did webtiles-changes ever get merged into trunk? 12:46:37 <|amethyst> no 12:47:06 <|amethyst> I never got a chance to test it on CSZO; but johnstein tested it on DBRO 12:47:08 -!- rephenryclay has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:47:11 hmm 12:47:22 <|amethyst> it requires some updates to the server config stuff 12:47:49 I was thinking it would be nice if Crawl servers exported current games over a json api, so you could have a master spectator server which lists all current games on all servers 12:48:21 but, I'm hesitant to contribute to either a soon-obsolete master branch or a will-never-be-merged experimental branch 12:48:49 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:54 <|amethyst> It's not json but http://dobrazupa.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status 12:49:50 <|amethyst> of course that requires some nonexistent metadata to translate a server into a dgl-status URL 12:50:09 <|amethyst> well, not nonexistent, I think Wensley has a list 12:50:42 s/nonexistent/a patch to Crawl's webserver to spectate by visiting /username/watch 12:51:00 malformed s/// 12:51:01 that s/ would have worked better if I hadn't used forward slashes later 12:51:09 in retrospect 12:51:28 <|amethyst> nrook: I guess, you're right, it would be easiest to export that list from webtiles 12:51:49 <|amethyst> the dgl-status list is more complete just after a webtiles restart 12:51:59 <|amethyst> but otherwise webtiles should have the same games 12:52:05 yeah 12:53:04 <|amethyst> I'd say work in the branch 12:53:46 <|amethyst> then I'll feel even more guilty about not working on it yet, and might get around to it before the semester starts :) 12:53:53 %git 204607ad 12:53:54 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.6.0-a0-1871-g204607a: Split up monstuff.cc 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 36 files, 10170+ 9965-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=204607ad3e8a 12:54:07 if it'd help, I can set up an irc bot to !tell you to work on it daily 12:54:42 <|amethyst> tell people to stop adding bugs to crawl :) 12:55:02 is tiles a bug or a feature? 12:55:19 1tell PleasingFungus stop adding bugs to crawl 12:55:46 * PleasingFungus bugs nrook!!! 12:56:18 <|amethyst> rchandra: bugs are in rltiles/mon/animals/ , features in rltiles/dngn/ 12:56:19 you can't bug me... I'm comprehensively tested!! 12:56:42 you're a NERD, that's what you are. 12:57:29 <|amethyst> ??nfm 12:57:37 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:57:37 <|amethyst> oh, right, no sequell 12:57:41 ah, it's both 12:57:45 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 12:58:30 -!- giantbat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:01 nrook: btw I tried to reproduce your net bug & failed 12:59:03 <|amethyst> nrook: what would also be nice is programmatic access server metadata about where morgues, ttyrecs, etc are and how they are organised 12:59:06 I do know I've seen it reported before, though 12:59:40 <|amethyst> nrook: currently gr**nsn*rk maintains one list (for Sequell) and rax and I another (for CAO scoring pages) 12:59:46 oh hey, git actually does the right thing if you do 'git checkout branch-that-exists-on-remote-but-you-dont-have-a-branch-tracking-it' 12:59:47 <|amethyst> oop, r*x obv. 13:00:05 <|amethyst> rwx 13:01:15 it's all good hi :) 13:01:26 <|amethyst> howdy! 13:01:36 <|amethyst> oh, did Grunt ever get ops in ##crawl ? 13:01:38 yes 13:01:42 <|amethyst> ah, good good 13:01:45 I handed them out to a few folks including you 13:01:47 <|amethyst> I don't go there anymore myself :) 13:01:50 <|amethyst> oh :) 13:01:56 nrook@nrook-lvb:~/code/crawl/crawl/crawl-ref/source$ git log webtiles-changes -n 1 | grep Date 13:01:57 <|amethyst> thanks :) 13:01:57 Date: Wed May 28 22:11:03 2014 +0200 13:02:00 hahahahaha so far behind that the new ops are already old ops 13:02:04 ##crawl :) 13:02:06 I am not convinced of the aliveness of this branch >:( 13:02:34 <|amethyst> nrook: fortunately there's not much to conflict since not much has happened in trunk webtiles 13:03:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:03:29 I suppose that is true 13:03:57 |amethyst: but be warned, if this branch never gets merged, my ghost will haunt you!! 13:04:03 <|amethyst> :) 13:04:17 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:32 hi sequell! 13:05:54 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:17 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:29 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:45 sequell doesn't like PF :( 13:09:48 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:04 My snake:5 has a disconnected rune vault, is this a known bug? 13:11:04 -!- dienosore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11:22 <|amethyst> nrook: probably, unless it's very latest trunk 13:12:25 it's 0.15-a0-2291-g2252c12 13:12:31 ...how does that correspond to the git hash? 13:12:38 is the git has a02291g...? 13:12:50 %git 2252c12 13:12:50 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2291-g2252c12: Make rPois a bit more consistent (for players) 10(12 hours ago, 4 files, 26+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2252c1227e57 13:13:08 that's after your last fix, |amethyst 13:13:14 I think 13:13:20 it's possible I generated the level on an earlier commit 13:13:33 I'd suspect that before looking to see if the fix didn't work 13:13:53 yeah, I totally did 13:14:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2292-g13adbc0: Improve torpor snail sprite slighty 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13adbc04b5cd 13:14:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-2293-g46567fe: Refactor ballisto_on_move() 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 51+ 40-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=46567feccad9 13:17:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:17:14 -!- Keskital1 is now known as Keskitalo 13:18:35 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:20:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 34.0a1/20140723030202]] 13:21:38 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:49 !tell edlothiol I was thinking of giving webtiles commands nicer URLs, like /username/watch to spectate. Thoughts? 13:26:49 nrook: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 13:27:37 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:31 <|amethyst> nrook: all I have time for today is this: 13:28:32 -!- jvainio has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:42 03|amethyst02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.15-a0-2341-g660d660: Merge branch 'master' into webtiles-changes 10(3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=660d660333e6 13:28:43 <|amethyst> (wait for chei) 13:28:43 hello 13:28:43 20 minutes later 13:28:43 =p 13:28:43 <|amethyst> heh 13:28:49 nice!!! 13:28:52 i rarely IRC here. been a few years since last visit 13:29:21 I made a species suggestion; https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:propose:proposed_species 13:31:11 and my last suggestion, the plant god, I should really post a looooong post about that 13:31:22 now that I have grinded a few years more that is 13:31:31 which one is your suggestion 13:31:45 the Nexoxec hybrid 13:31:46 <|amethyst> I think "mutate self", even on a single species, is probably too tedious and scummy, even with a cooldown 13:31:51 *Neqosec 13:32:01 <|amethyst> maybe an XP based cooldown.... maybe 13:32:11 ye i was thinking about the cooldown 13:32:13 <|amethyst> ??Alter self 13:32:13 alter self[1/1]: A removed transmutations spell that gave you a random mutation. 13:32:23 <|amethyst> there's a reason that was removed after all 13:32:29 like that it could be up to 10000 turns with +10k every use 13:32:33 so after 3 uses 30000 13:32:36 why not just one mutation per level 13:32:45 hm. good idea, maybe! 13:33:01 maybe that is excess 13:33:08 <|amethyst> also 13:33:08 2-3 levels for a mut? 13:33:14 <|amethyst> most players don't drink !mutation 13:33:20 <|amethyst> so why would they use that ability? 13:33:26 or if every level maybe then 50/50 chance for good/bad 13:33:47 <|amethyst> (unless they have unlimited use so they can just replace what they don't like, which has the other problem) 13:34:21 I'd be worried about overlap with demonspawn and jiyva though 13:34:25 <|amethyst> also, what would "mutate other" do? just the "misshapen" 13:34:27 <|amethyst> ? 13:34:28 <|amethyst> that too 13:34:49 <|amethyst> BTW, tavern is probably a better place for proposals like that 13:34:55 I guess it could be misshapen armor / weapon slot with a small chance of polymorph other? 13:35:05 <|amethyst> well, maybe not "better", but more widely read 13:35:27 I know, if I would like to get this through 13:35:39 it would require lots of spammin or somethin 13:35:41