00:00:42 Grunt: I hope you don't explain stuff *by accident* 00:00:54 that'd be terrible. 00:01:03 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01:08 Hey, sometimes I actually intend to explain things, too. 00:01:26 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-26-g5a19342 00:01:50 Grunt: see, you should intend it more than SOMETIMES 00:01:54 try for MOST OF THE TIME 00:03:38 "occasionally" 00:04:42 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:05:40 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:32 what is the current hp regen formula 00:08:48 ??regen 00:08:49 regeneration[1/8]: Increases the rate at which you regain HP per turn, at the expense of more nutrition. Different sources stack and vary in effectiveness. The default hunger rate for most races is 3 nutrition per turn. A ring of regeneration takes that to 6 per turn. Regeneration doesn't work when you're {sick}; instead it makes Sickness disappear faster. 00:09:02 the current regen formula is in the thing bloax linked! 00:09:23 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/bloax_ruins_hpregen.txt in case you're wondering 00:09:27 oh 00:09:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1924-gb00719d (34) 00:09:30 it's the bit with the -s in front 00:09:41 also, what's a good term for what an octopode would do at an altar? 00:09:43 they certainly don't kneel 00:09:59 the hp regen formula is maxhp/300 >= 0.2 ? 0.1+maxhp/600 : maxhp/300 hp per turn 00:10:15 PleasingFungus: settle? 00:10:26 hm 00:10:31 I was kind of thinking "curl up" 00:10:32 we could just have generic language of "you prostrate yourself" 00:10:40 instead of all that special casing 00:10:43 whaaa 00:10:53 and remove the SANCTUARY OF SPIKES? 00:11:05 sanctuary of spikes? 00:11:21 !source religion.cc:god_pitch 00:11:22 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/religion.cc;hb=HEAD#l3382 00:11:44 my favorite part is the irc comment 00:12:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:12:26 hahahaha 00:12:34 I mean "you swirl around"? 00:12:52 solid 00:12:56 or well. the opposite of that, I guess 00:12:57 no actually! 00:13:04 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.1-26-g5a19342 (34) 00:13:11 this version is much better, I can eat off the ground 00:14:37 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:57 rchandra: you can do that in trunk! 00:16:02 in current trunk 00:17:09 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:09 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:18:22 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1924-gb00719d (34) 00:18:48 oh, that was fixed? good 00:18:50 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:19:21 a renegade dev reverted the "don't eat off the floor" change. he was immediately banished for his temerity, but his legacy remains 00:19:57 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:20:46 hm apparently felids and octopodes consider the ring amulet slot for ash bondage if they're wearing the finger necklace 00:20:51 but non-felids/octopodes don't 00:21:07 (because of enum ranges, yay) 00:21:25 maybe there should be an EQ_FIRST_OCTOPODE_RING and EQ_LAST_OCTOPODE_RING or something? 00:22:16 YOU PRAY BEFORE THE BLOODY ALTAR OF ARMOK 00:22:30 "LET THERE BE BLOODSHED!" YOUR GOD SAYS 00:23:03 dungeon crawl: slaves of armok 00:23:34 slaves to armok 3: dungeon crawl: stone soup: slaves to armok 3: 00:24:03 -!- tinybat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:25:29 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1925-g802c0e4: Brace :( 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=802c0e439784 00:26:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1926-g4a16ea7: Improve altar-worship messages. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a16ea790461 00:27:55 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 00:29:54 you squeeze the altar tightly 00:30:21 Something smites you! 00:30:25 you kick the altar 00:36:18 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1927-ga475743: Add a missing linebreak 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4757436f95a 00:37:11 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:25 -!- soadzombi 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:42:22 -!- Staged has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:45:37 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:50:45 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:51:17 -!- ishanyx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:52 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:33 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:01:06 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:17 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:07:08 What are these two @crawlcode lines referring to? 07:07:21 @crawlcode · Jul 4 bool one_chance_in(int a_million) 07:07:41 @crawlcode · Jul 5 # Just an US WW2 military project, but that's good enough. 07:08:08 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:11:33 the first is just how the variable is jokingly named (the function returns true with probability 1 / a_million) 07:12:33 but a_million could be anything, including something much less than a million 07:13:42 What in the game would need a one-in-a-million chance though 07:14:55 magicpoints: no, that's why it's a joke; in practice the variable a_million will be reasonable values like 20, 30 etc 07:14:59 it's just the name of the variable 07:15:14 Well okay then 07:15:26 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:32 a play on the phrase 'one in a million' is all really 07:15:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16:16 the second is because the author of the vault goddamned_bats was providing silly justifications for why he was making all these vault define bats 07:16:19 !vault goddamned_bats 07:16:20 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des;hb=HEAD#l534 07:16:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:52 said author was not being serious with these justifications of course 07:17:44 I have to wonder if that was made by 1kb 07:19:29 %git bf6fde59c 07:19:29 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-659-gbf6fde5: Restore goddamned_bats. 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 13 files, 130+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf6fde59c02d 07:19:32 close enough 07:21:35 hm, so #8765 doesn't seem very hard to fix code-wise 07:21:43 !bug 8765 07:21:43 not sure what the messages should be though 07:21:44 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8765 07:22:47 wheals: message for when the monster is already slow? 07:22:54 or the berserk part? 07:23:02 yeah, both 07:23:18 maybe "The monster looks like it will be slow longer" 07:23:22 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:28 I guess just don't print that the monster has slown down, since they haven't 07:23:29 since you get "you feel like you will be slow longer i think" 07:23:33 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:37 gammafunk, it increases the ench though 07:23:51 yeah I guess that is true 07:24:49 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:41 not sure what the messages look like when a monster is mighted + zerked; does the might just fail to set (since it's already set by zerk) 07:28:12 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:53 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:29:58 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:02 i can't get this moth of wrath to berserk wiglaf 07:30:19 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:28 -!- Ero has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:28 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:28 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:41 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:41 -!- whiskers75 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:41 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:45 -!- atomicthumbs has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:59 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:30:59 -!- rax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:00 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:00 -!- Eronarn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:00 -!- tw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:00 -!- unpaidbi1l has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:06 -!- Keskital1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:23 aha, got a dt shaman to haste/might a moth of wrath'd dt 07:31:35 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:49 Here: a deep troll (berserk, fast, unusually strong) 07:32:18 so that's not so great either 07:32:39 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:10 yeah that was my worry about splitting out zerk effects I guess 07:33:21 but those don't stack I assume 07:33:35 so it's really just zerk (I hope) 07:33:52 true 07:34:26 they are seperate durations, so there may be some nastiness there 07:37:09 huh, what is MB_PREP_RESURRECT 07:38:56 and ENCH_ATTACHED 07:39:30 %git 1350563996 07:39:30 07due02 * 0.8.0-a0-2077-g1350563: Implement snail/turtle shells, rename giant snails -> agate snails. 10(3 years, 9 months ago, 22 files, 108+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=135056399614 07:39:49 !learn e wheals[2] s/$/, leeches??/ 07:39:51 wheals[2/5]: todo: fix ghost speed, tunneling worms, leeches?? 07:40:44 wheals: probably shedu related 07:41:35 %git :/[Ss]hedu 07:41:38 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-810-g12223c0: Remove Shedu 10(8 weeks ago, 27 files, 16+ 382-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=12223c06ef92 07:41:42 rip 07:45:25 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:42 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:47:38 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:47:57 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:54:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:54:08 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:55:23 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:23 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:55:23 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 08:20:44 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:26:42 -!- Morik has quit [Client Quit] 08:26:45 -!- whiskers75 is now known as catrpgbot 08:27:43 -!- catrpgbot is now known as whiskers75 08:27:47 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1928-g280b1fd: Remove an unused MB and ENCH. 10(45 minutes ago, 3 files, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=280b1fd7fa4b 08:29:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1929-g069f11c: Clean up some weirdnesses with monster berserk/haste description (#8765). 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=069f11ca41fd 08:29:46 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1930-gb8fc183: Clarify message when hitting a slowed monster with curare (#8765). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8fc1833ca8f 08:30:48 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:33:17 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:24 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:35:52 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45:45 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:53:25 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:25 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:42 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:09:17 why don't transmuters start with arrows on autopickup 09:09:18 minmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:09:30 they used to, no longer because reasons 09:09:36 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:09:43 there is 0 reason not to pick up arrows unless you also want to drop the ones you started with 09:11:52 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:12:11 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:12:34 <|amethyst> how many transmuters actually learn S2S? 09:13:03 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:39 all of them, they should at least 09:15:05 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:59 it's like the best spell in their book 09:16:07 pretty much yeah 09:16:12 not learning it is pretty insane 09:16:38 but sure, let's assume it's completely useless like you seem to think - in that case, shouldn't they not start with arrows at all? 09:16:57 <|amethyst> probably 09:17:37 <|amethyst> isn't it kind of bad that the best transmutation spell for several levels is really summoning? 09:19:41 <|amethyst> Anyway, I removed it because the person who added it said it should be removed 09:19:46 <|amethyst> perhaps SamB could comment 09:20:03 that was most likely back when item weight was a thing, at the very least 09:20:26 I am guessing it was an item weight thing, yes. 09:21:13 <|amethyst> even still, it will expand from one slot to five or so 09:21:18 <|amethyst> as you encounter branded ammo 09:22:10 <|amethyst> (also, what about javelins?) 09:22:44 that's assuming you actually very few arrows of any particular type 09:22:48 + have 09:24:52 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:25:02 well then just remove the spell if you think it is so bad 09:25:15 that by default you should ignore it 09:26:43 do that, it's not like Tm has the second lowest win rate among all current backgrounds, even among @greatplayers 09:27:11 surely they can afford to lose a vital spell 09:27:24 <|amethyst> It sounds like maybe it's Tm that should be removed 09:27:32 <|amethyst> the background and the school both 09:27:59 why not, it's not like it's extremely popular or anything 09:28:08 !lg * recent s=job 09:28:10 800570 games for * (recent): 132784x Fighter, 66307x Berserker, 57581x Monk, 48056x Wizard, 43087x Transmuter, 40506x Conjurer, 36619x Enchanter, 34087x Gladiator, 33459x Fire Elementalist, 32066x Wanderer, 31485x Hunter, 30908x Skald, 26758x Assassin, 25001x Abyssal Knight, 19712x Necromancer, 18863x Earth Elementalist, 18153x Ice Elementalist, 16748x Chaos Knight, 14007x Air Elementalist, 12740x... 09:28:13 oh wait 09:28:26 <|amethyst> Hm, that might not be popular enough to remove 09:30:32 -!- ckyle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:31:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:31 <|amethyst> anyway, I don't object to putting arrows back on autopickup for Tm, but I'm not going to do it myself after the debacle last time I touched S2S 09:39:02 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:29 -!- Isha is now known as ishanyx 09:40:12 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:05 well that debacle was because it made it harder to use instead of easier 09:43:40 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 09:44:24 <|amethyst> Yes, I made the mistake of catering to newbies 09:45:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:48:20 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:48:20 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:20 !bug 8054 09:48:20 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8054 09:55:16 <|amethyst> hm... could track whether you have ever had a given (base type, subtype) pair in your inventory 09:57:08 <|amethyst> or just have it work like wands (staying on autopickup until you explicitly turn it off) 09:58:07 or monsters could just not pick up jewellery 09:58:13 since it was added for one unique 09:58:35 <|amethyst> wasn't this also a problem for Ash? 09:58:39 (due to opposition to giving him a resistance, no less) 10:05:51 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:07:08 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:15 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:11:54 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:12:01 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 10:21:03 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24:56 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:56 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 10:31:06 -!- Farcaster has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 10:40:20 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:41:39 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45:50 -!- shackes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:50:23 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:51:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:54:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1931-g750ad04: Fix messaging for lost souls 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=750ad043500c 11:10:51 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 11:12:06 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 11:13:03 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:16:41 -!- shackes2 is now known as shackes 11:18:48 Tab doesn't avoid webs. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 by Kvaak 11:20:01 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:22:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:22:22 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.1-26-g5a19342 11:22:41 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:24:33 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:25:30 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:27:16 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:46 -!- sanka_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1932-g6e60aee: Brace 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e60aee00662 11:34:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1933-g48b8069: Improve lost soul messaging a little more 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48b8069c387e 11:44:18 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:46:10 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:50:01 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 11:52:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:08 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:03 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.1-26-g5a19342 12:03:38 -!- rohan_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:03:51 -!- rohan__ has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:06:23 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:59 -!- jaumoose has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:49 -!- bedkrab is now known as atomikkrab 12:14:44 -!- rohan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1933-g48b8069 (34) 12:16:06 Hi. The barbs of a manticore can kill. I think it would be good if the game asked for a confirmation if moving with barbs could result in death. 12:16:29 (I just died because I carelessly walked around after a fight without realising that I had barbs.) 12:19:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:52 iirc reaverb was talking about something like that a week or two ago 12:20:08 Additionally, the colouring of message that tells you about the damage is one of importance â€“ but unfortunately some rather unimportant messages ("Kikubaaqudgha accepts your slave's kill 12:20:15 ") share the same colour. 12:21:04 Would I have not been as desensitised to that colour because of its abundance I might also have payed attention. 12:24:46 -!- Sensenmann has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29:05 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:40 -!- whiskers75 has quit [Quit: Connecting to the new sinisalo server, brb] 12:41:23 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:23 -!- rohan_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:46:42 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 12:48:55 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:53:00 are runes no longer being milestones? none seem to have been announced in a while across all servers, or even recorded in sequell 12:53:15 !lm * rune 12:53:16 229952. [2014-07-07 17:52:35] stevee the Sorcerer (L17 DEWz of Vehumet) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 51694. (Spider:5) 12:54:11 hmm some are actually being announced, maybe jsut some servers 12:55:03 !lm * rune x=cv 12:55:04 229952. [2014-07-07 17:52:35] [cv=0.14] stevee the Sorcerer (L17 DEWz of Vehumet) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 51694. (Spider:5) 12:55:12 !lm * rune cv=0.15-a 12:55:13 16731. [2014-07-07 05:12:15] rchandra the Politician (L27 VSHe of Qazlal) found an icy rune of Zot on turn 94164. (Coc:7) 12:55:17 !lm . rune 12:55:18 6. [2014-07-05 16:10:20] perunasaurus the Warrior (L24 HaFi of Ashenzari) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 86619. (Abyss:3) 12:57:56 I've won one char after that and about to win another 12:57:56 hm 12:57:56 that's probably something that I broke 12:57:56 !source move_item_to_inv 12:57:56 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc;hb=HEAD#l1646 12:57:56 ah ha 12:57:56 yep 12:57:56 well, I'll fix that when i get home if no one else has fixed it first 12:57:56 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59:11 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:11 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:59:11 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:59:47 the problem is that the function in question does too many thing... quelle surprise, I guess 13:00:11 time for proofs of correctness 13:00:21 I added const to a bunch of things! 13:00:24 that's what broke this, actually 13:00:43 -!- Sensenmann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:01:17 clearly crawl should switch to a formally verifiable language, like ada. 13:02:26 so why is amethyst considering removing transmutations? 13:02:28 crawl needs to get on with the times 13:02:33 it needs more clickbait 13:02:42 and media hype 13:02:55 and government surveillance 13:03:08 actually, you misread. he was considering removing lightlis. 13:03:16 -!- Trevise has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:26 oh 13:04:40 (but seriously, what's wrong with tm 13:06:27 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:37 dragon form and statue form are a little weak, blade hands might be a little strong, there's a weird mix of "spells that make you better at punching in various ways" and "spells that have a theme of physical change", the latter being very poorly mechanically linked to each other 13:06:46 oh. also necromut is a mess 13:07:12 tm is the only thing making UC tolerable though, would have to remove that too 13:07:26 I have no idea why people are talking about removing tm 13:07:35 that's baffling to me 13:07:46 I was just talking about what should be improved 13:08:25 boulder beetle form should be improved by existing 13:09:03 and beastly appendage is weak as sin 13:09:15 beastly appendage is about as good as a level 1 spell should be 13:09:20 boulder beetle form is a work in progress :( 13:09:23 it's hard tho 13:09:29 beastly appendage is worse than infusion 13:09:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:53 because infusion is dam+2 13:09:57 while beastly appendage is dam+1 13:10:08 oh and infusion triggers on every hit you have mp 13:10:23 and doesn't take up aux slots 13:10:34 and then runs out in two turns because you're a level 1 char with 4 mp 13:10:40 yes 13:10:42 but the monster is dead 13:10:48 I'm the second monster! 13:10:54 also, who cares about aux slots. you won't have aux slots. you're on d:1 13:10:56 then you just run until you get mp 13:11:18 I'm the jackal pack you run into from the other direction 13:11:20 :) 13:11:37 well i'm a god damn vs 13:11:39 i have infinite mp 13:11:40 bite me 13:12:26 * PleasingFungus bites Bloaxor! 13:12:41 * Bloaxor bites PleasingFungus!!! 13:12:48 * Bloaxor drains its power! 13:13:25 but yes if you want beastly appendage to be worth anything 13:13:30 make it add ~more~ appendages than one 13:13:36 since that means they trigger more often 13:13:58 are you saying that you don't use beastly appendage 13:14:11 there's no point in not using it 13:14:19 so.... 13:14:20 but Tm have an awful start 13:14:21 okay. 13:14:58 but it's okay because they have a really short-duration dam+1 ring 13:15:16 it feels a lot stronger than that, at least on d:1 13:15:32 that's because it's a level 2 auxillary 13:15:39 which means that once it triggers it hits pretty good 13:15:52 the problem is that it's far from guaranteed to trigger with d:1 stats 13:16:34 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:16:57 i'm not saying make it give you claws:3 13:17:10 it used to 13:17:19 but giving you a beak, talons:1 and horns:1 is a very small damage buff 13:17:22 but then it got nerfed 13:17:59 except it hits more often that way 13:18:06 <|amethyst> the reason I suggested removing Tm: it's a school where the best spell is really a summon 13:18:21 isn't it an old-school summon 13:18:23 which considering your terrible d:1 Tm skills is a great thing 13:18:27 <|amethyst> yet pretends to be about unarmed combat 13:18:38 sticks to snakes is a great spell, yes 13:18:45 that sounds like a reason to remove or rework the spell, not a reason to remove the school, tbh. 13:18:46 and it's old-school as hell 13:18:56 also since when is it the best spell in the Tm school 13:19:09 what the hell is blade hands doing oneshotting hill giants on d:7 then 13:19:11 <|amethyst> 10:26:43 < Kvaak> do that, it's not like Tm has the second lowest win rate among all current backgrounds, even among @greatplayers 13:19:14 <|amethyst> 10:27:11 < Kvaak> surely they can afford to lose a vital spell 13:19:28 I feel like the problem is that Tm is so fragile innately because of the way their forms work 13:19:41 Tm is so fragile because their accuracy is abysmal. 13:19:41 -!- Keskital1 is now known as Keskitalo 13:19:45 !won * tm recent 13:19:45 that too 13:19:47 * (tm recent) has won 148 times in 43108 games (0.34%): 35xDrTm 19xDsTm 15xMfTm 12xNaTm 8xHETm 7xDgTm 7xTrTm 6xFeTm 5xGrTm 5xOpTm 4xKoTm 3xCeTm 3xLOTm 3xOgTm 3xTeTm 3xVSTm 2xDDTm 2xFoTm 2xHOTm 2xHuTm 1xDETm 1xSpTm 13:19:47 skeletal warrior form 13:19:50 dang 13:19:51 and guess what 13:19:53 that is pretty low, yeah 13:19:59 i'm suggesting making their level 1 spell give you three auxillaries 13:20:02 so that you can hit more often 13:20:13 isn't their accuracy bad the entire game? 13:20:14 I am honestly okay with buffing forms and tweaking or removing sts 13:20:18 um 13:20:22 forms give big accuracy bonuses 13:20:23 because I like the idea of a spellschool with a strong mechanical focus 13:20:24 oh 13:20:35 forms are strong as hell 13:20:36 unarmed is about as accurate as weapons for most of the game 13:20:39 oh 13:20:54 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: feel like passing out] 13:21:08 also, bloax, unless you have something new to say about beastly appendage, please stop talking about it. you are repeating yourself over and over again and it is very tedious. 13:21:08 (it gets an extra 2 accuracy in the first place, so it's on average the same as a weapon with +4 base acc) 13:21:16 oh 13:21:22 beastly appendage is already very strong 13:21:32 i don't see why you would buff it if you're not bloax 13:21:41 I was not talking about buffing appendage 13:21:42 bloax is bloax though, so theres no point talking to him 13:21:44 if we're going to buff forms, could we start by giving spider form back the swiftness effect? 13:21:47 nah 13:21:58 the outlier isn't forms, it's sticks to snakes 13:22:16 it's a level 2 spell that gives you the old super broken version of summoning 13:22:23 that's true, but the argument is that the background/school as a whole is a little weak 13:22:24 with water moccasins 13:22:25 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:43 so just make it give you modern summons 13:22:44 i dont see how tm is weak compared to mo or fi or wr or whatever 13:22:58 [11:19] |amethyst 10:26:43 < Kvaak> do that, it's not like Tm has the second lowest win rate among all current backgrounds, even among @greatplayers 13:23:00 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:23:01 or sk or whatever 13:23:05 winrate is a terrible indicator of power 13:23:17 it's not ideal 13:23:23 if you go by winrate, chei is a better god than ely 13:23:43 that's because you can start with ely & can't start with chei 13:23:45 hm 13:23:53 yes 13:23:58 !lm * god.worship=chei|ely s=god / won 13:23:58 No milestones for * (god.worship=chei|ely). 13:23:58 and factors like that are all over the place 13:24:07 what are you thinking of with backgrounds? 13:24:08 tm gets played a lot by bad players, for example 13:24:15 !lg * s=role / won o=% 13:24:20 19555/3388076 games for *: 376/28473x Healer [1.32%], 2340/260401x Berserker [0.90%], 951/106316x Gladiator [0.89%], 713/80618x Earth Elementalist [0.88%], 28/3307x Jester [0.85%], 476/57433x Venom Mage [0.83%], 284/35721x Arcane Marksman [0.80%], 663/83775x Ice Elementalist [0.79%], 439/55985x Death Knight [0.78%], 763/103011x Hunter [0.74%], 395/53908x Artificer [0.73%], 355/50343x Warper [0.71%... 13:24:26 <|amethyst> !lm @goodplayer s=role / won o=-% 13:24:27 No milestones for @goodplayer. 13:24:32 <|amethyst> !lm @goodplayers s=role / won o=-% 13:24:35 jester, notable powerhouse bg 13:24:39 I hope this doesn't lead you to think Gl is stronger than IE 13:24:51 nets!!!!! 13:24:52 1008821/2774122 milestones for @goodplayers: 7743/29569x Paladin [26.19%], 33548/117962x Transmuter [28.44%], 35480/119578x Enchanter [29.67%], 47052/145345x Monk [32.37%], 42861/132038x Wizard [32.46%], 39249/119582x Ice Elementalist [32.82%], 76361/226313x Fighter [33.74%], 13723/39885x Crusader [34.41%], 93429/267349x Berserker [34.95%], 36524/104381x Necromancer [34.99%], 30263/84965x Chaos Kn... 13:25:32 !lm @goodplayers recent s=role / won o=-% 13:25:45 244732/637698 milestones for @goodplayers (recent): 7339/24381x Enchanter [30.10%], 21457/71230x Fighter [30.12%], 7843/25319x Transmuter [30.98%], 7476/23033x Ice Elementalist [32.46%], 5995/18193x Wizard [32.95%], 4711/13931x Summoner [33.82%], 13066/37498x Monk [34.84%], 11037/30993x Hunter [35.61%], 7068/18499x Earth Elementalist [38.21%], 12817/33080x Fire Elementalist [38.75%], 8131/20847x N... 13:26:09 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140703154127]] 13:26:11 ah, there we go 13:26:13 -!- mamgar_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26:19 but yeah, I see what you mean, minmay 13:26:23 not exactly like en needs to be buffed 13:27:21 I suggested a few weeks ago that tm needs to have a makeover like cj & su did 13:27:31 a spell overhaul 13:27:43 i'd be fine with that 13:27:46 as long as I get to keep blade tentacles 13:28:04 (so how do we make a tm version of battlesphere :v) 13:28:10 any change to crawl that prevents blade tentacles from being a thing is a failure by definition. 13:28:17 Lightli: what, overpowered at release? :) 13:28:19 what about blade paws 13:28:32 blade paws are exclusive to stupid cats, sadly 13:28:42 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:03 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 13:38:27 honestly I don't think any of the current transmutation spells are problematic except s2s, beastly appendage, statue form, and necromutation 13:38:40 Rework layout_gehenna_lava_caves 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 by infiniplex 13:38:41 (the former two for being too good, the latter two for being too garbage) 13:39:20 oh and ice/dragon form melding op rings is WTF but that's not a big issue 13:40:36 |amethyst: I guess having those autopickups treated as if set manually was a bade move, huh? 13:40:41 er. *bad 13:41:38 <|amethyst> I do think the three-level autopickup thing is overly complex 13:41:51 it's three-level now? 13:42:08 or did you mean the tristate for the "manual" settings? 13:42:35 !send SamB trits 13:42:35 Sending trits to SamB. 13:42:38 <|amethyst> I guess maybe four-level 13:43:05 <|amethyst> from lowest to highest priority: autopickup option, autopickup_exceptions <, autopickup_exceptions >, \ menu 13:43:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:43:36 |amethyst: ah 13:43:44 <|amethyst> and I guess ctrl-a but that doesn't really count 13:43:45 so you did mean the kind of levels I thought you meant 13:44:00 <|amethyst> yes 13:44:10 yeah, a global toggle for autopickup period shouldn't add any additional cognitive load 13:44:36 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:39 I mean, not there 13:44:53 <|amethyst> It would be nice if the current starting autopickup settings could be done in terms of a-es, but most cannot 13:45:00 more like "okay is there anything invisible that I'm worried about at the moment?" 13:45:01 <|amethyst> I do wonder about stones and arrows though 13:45:16 <|amethyst> could use a chk_force_autopickup function 13:45:22 <|amethyst> oh, that's another level 13:45:29 clearly, a_es are too weak 13:45:45 <|amethyst> > overriding < makes them too weak 13:46:08 auto-pickup-alist for the win! 13:46:18 <|amethyst> except that you can kind of duplicate the effects by using silly regexps (or negative lookahead) 13:46:47 clearly it must be permitted to use a function symbol instead of a regexp string 13:47:54 <|amethyst> hm 13:47:58 note: I am not really thinking these through, but I do think it *might* be possible to learn something from how emacs does mode-selection here 13:48:06 or something of that nature 13:48:13 <|amethyst> I should try to implement a turing machine using autopickup_exception rules 13:48:37 <|amethyst> I knew my thesis would be useful for something! 13:52:50 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:53:55 <|amethyst> hm hm 13:54:51 <|amethyst> it looks like autopickup_exceptions is actually a weird combination of denial-takes-precedence and first-takes-precedence 13:55:04 -!- Trevise has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55:15 <|amethyst> and autopickup_exceptions overrides ch_force_autopickup and ch_deny_autopickup! 13:55:50 oh. |amethyst, do you want to fix my mess for me, since I don't have source access at the moment? currently rune & orb milestones are broken 13:56:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: do you know which commit broke it? 13:56:15 yes 13:56:28 -!- rbrrk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:56:29 1s 13:56:37 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:55 <|amethyst> so the order is force-autopickup (runtime) > autopickup_exceptions (rc) > ch_force_autopickup (rc + lua) > ch_deny_autopickup (rc + lua) > autopickups (rc, per object class) 13:59:58 %git ff848d38072d0 13:59:58 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1887-gff848d3: Constify 10(2 days ago, 6 files, 61+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff848d38072d 14:00:03 specifically, it's 14:00:32 !source items.cc:1681 14:00:33 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/items.cc;hb=HEAD#l1681 14:01:41 there should probably be something like an "else if (item_is_rune() || _item_is_orb()) _check_note_item()" after that conditional 14:01:57 _check_note_item(it) 14:02:14 also, I think the conditional after that could probably be simplified to the in-bounds check (but that's tangential) 14:02:15 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's too late for that 14:05:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the object is already gone 14:05:59 oh, right, we decr'd it 14:06:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: which makes me wonder how that block ever worked 14:06:19 <|amethyst> the item_is_rune() etc one 14:06:32 <|amethyst> since it came after the decrement before you commit too 14:06:36 <|amethyst> s/you/your/ 14:09:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:11:46 <|amethyst> hm 14:11:57 <|amethyst> it's probably not safe to delay the item's destruction until later 14:12:20 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:12:21 <|amethyst> though I guess the worse that happens is you get two milestones, since multiples of the same rune or orb don't do anything 14:16:37 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:19:03 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:21:55 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:35 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:28:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:07 <|amethyst> hm, yeah, an error from okawaru_arena_lexackson after my commit; let's see if that was there before my commit (probably) and before PF's (also probably) 14:40:19 -!- Sensenmann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:37 -!- soadzombi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:44:11 <|amethyst> yeah, item_pickup triggers were broken by 14:44:15 <|amethyst> %git b98b8932 14:44:16 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1884-gb98b893: Refactor item pickup code 10(3 days ago, 5 files, 233+ 179-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b98b8932dcd4 14:47:28 FR: monsters no longer drop their gray equipment when they die 14:47:33 -!- Guest63345 is now known as Wensley 14:47:50 less dungeon trash 14:47:52 jiyva nerf 14:48:01 everyone but nemelex is happy 14:48:06 makes ogres awful 14:48:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:48:18 also armour wearers 14:48:23 <|amethyst> makes quickblades and other rare weapons harder to get 14:49:46 on the contrary, I think that no longer polluting the dungeon with garbage will make the nice items easier to spot 14:50:32 instead of waiting until the end of a level to ctrl+f "d:5" I can say, hey, that monster dropped a thing, it must actually have something interesting going on 14:51:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:56 huge nerf to ranged characters 14:52:03 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:09 suddenly ammo becomes a problem even if you go trog/oka 14:52:11 <|amethyst> also a nerf to undead animation, though maybe that needs it 14:52:54 <|amethyst> hm... can't do the fire_position_event after the quantity has been decremented 14:53:28 <|amethyst> but the event gives an opportunity to HUP the game and have duplicate items :( 14:53:49 I'm not convinced that ammo is an interesting mechanic, but I'm not about to propose removing it 14:54:05 |amethyst: how precise does the timing need to be 14:54:20 <|amethyst> Wensley: not at all if the position event prints a message 14:54:28 <|amethyst> because then you can force a more 14:55:39 there you go, that solves the ammo problem 14:55:41 just dupe more of it 14:56:35 -!- valtern has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:57:27 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:04:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I have a fix, but it reintroduces an explot that you fixed 15:05:16 <|amethyst> exploit 15:05:22 oh man! 15:05:24 what exploit? 15:05:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I can fix the milestones without reintroducing the exploit, but not the broken item_pickup triggers :( 15:05:39 also, I think the code which you wondered "how did this ever work?" about did not ever work 15:05:46 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: actually, it did 15:05:48 oh! 15:05:50 huh 15:05:54 what did it actually do 15:05:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: was broken by your earlier coomit 15:06:00 <|amethyst> %git b98b893 15:06:00 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1884-gb98b893: Refactor item pickup code 10(3 days ago, 5 files, 233+ 179-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b98b8932dcd4 15:06:07 <|amethyst> item pickup triggers 15:06:16 <|amethyst> I think the only current vault that uses them is 15:06:25 <|amethyst> !vault okawaru_arena_lexackson 15:06:25 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/okawaru_arena.des;hb=HEAD#l81 15:06:27 <|amethyst> the exploit is: 15:06:40 # Allies picking these up causes them to be killed and crash the game. 15:07:08 <|amethyst> 1. arrange so that you get a force_more at every message 15:07:14 <|amethyst> 2. pick up an item 15:07:40 <|amethyst> 3. if that triggered a message from a pickup trigger or whatever, kill -HUP the game 15:07:43 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:57 <|amethyst> now your game is saved with the item both in your inventory and on the floor 15:08:07 <|amethyst> because I have to move the quantity decrement later 15:08:31 <|amethyst> Oh, hey, looks like we fixed the bug in that comment accidentally :) 15:08:39 hooray! 15:09:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1934-gb542816: Fix item_pickup triggers and rune/orb milestones. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5428166a3e1 15:10:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: see the commit message and XXX comment there for more details, though I think I covered it here already 15:11:04 hm 15:11:24 do me a favor? 15:11:37 pick up an artefact repeatedly and check your notes 15:12:45 <|amethyst> hrm 15:13:06 <|amethyst> ah 15:17:05 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1935-g327597e: Fix noted-get flag (PleasingFungus, doh) 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=327597ee70d5 15:19:07 ??|amethyst 15:19:08 |amethyst[1/10]: <|amethyst> doh 15:19:11 -!- 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I'll start it running 15:20:30 <|amethyst> cool 15:20:31 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:02 thanks for sorting that out! 15:22:11 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1935-g327597e (34) 15:24:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: one thought for reducing the exploitability is to fire the position event earlier, then delete the item, then do the _got_item and/or _check_note_item calls 15:24:51 -!- valtern2 has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 15:24:56 <|amethyst> then it's only exploitable for items with a trigger 15:25:22 <|amethyst> I think currently it's exploitable for other items if you have a copy on your shopping list 15:25:29 haha 15:25:30 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:25:51 hm 15:25:54 <|amethyst> _check_note_item would need a temporary on-stack copy of the item if it doesn't go to inventory 15:26:12 <|amethyst> or maybe the _check_note_item could be early, because it doesn't look like it produces any messages 15:26:21 could we do something very stupid, like moving the item off the map before doing the checks, & then deleting it? 15:26:29 ala the magical "shop hack" 15:26:40 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27:05 <|amethyst> would have to make sure to delete such items on unmarshall 15:27:16 <|amethyst> but that might work 15:27:26 <|amethyst> hm 15:27:42 <|amethyst> or add an ISFLAG_DELETION_PENDING 15:27:47 <|amethyst> set that early 15:27:52 <|amethyst> then check for it on unmarshall 15:28:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1935-g327597e (34) 15:28:09 that sounds less bad 15:28:28 <|amethyst> not sure what would happen to the trigger then 15:28:42 <|amethyst> hm 15:29:13 <|amethyst> with the current order you could avoid the trigger (if you manage to get a message or better yet prompt from _got_item) 15:29:30 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1935-g327597e (34) 15:29:43 <|amethyst> Note that this is all purely theoretical 15:29:47 sure 15:29:53 better here in crawl-dev than in play, though 15:30:19 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:32:25 not sure how big a deal item pickup triggers are 15:33:07 <|amethyst> oh, hm 15:33:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: there is currently only one vault that uses them 15:33:28 <|amethyst> this might not be as exploitable as I thought 15:33:36 <|amethyst> a HUP won't do it 15:33:55 <|amethyst> it continues running the function until it gets to a reasonable state 15:33:57 <|amethyst> oh 15:34:04 <|amethyst> but closing the window in tiles... 15:34:09 <|amethyst> does that save? 15:34:58 the real question 15:38:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, I can't manage to make it actually happen here, though I haven't tested on Windows (where I hear closing the window is a lot more abrupt) 15:40:25 -!- Behavioral has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:21 So... we're good? 15:41:27 <|amethyst> I think so 15:41:47 Might want to revise the comment to avoid future confusion, in that case. 15:42:22 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-1935-g327597e (34) 15:42:43 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 15:43:13 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:26 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:47:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1936-gbed3715: Adjust a comment (PleasingFungus) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bed3715938eb 15:50:16 what's been going on with chunkless? 15:50:34 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:52:21 not much. gfunk was talking about doing something with it 15:54:54 I think maybe people have been focusing on doing stuff that'll get into 0.15, and chunkless is clearly outside that scope? 15:54:54 <|amethyst> Grunt: infiniplex posted a save and comment to #8752; it seems that when the layout is itself connected, but the primary vault disconnects it, there isn't a veto? 15:55:35 ??pleasingfungus 15:55:35 pleasingfungus[1/6]: a misleading learndb dev entry ????? 15:55:38 ??beastly_appendage 15:55:39 beastly appendage[1/1]: Turns one of your body parts into the "monstrous" equivalent (horns, talons). Is not powerful enough to meld armour. Level 1 pure Transmutations. Book of Changes. 15:56:08 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:11 Lightli: you want [2, but I haven't been keeping it up to date 15:56:19 oh 15:56:37 what else is planned for .15 (outside of removing lightlis) 15:56:54 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:54 hm. actually, that's still pretty accurate 15:56:57 just need to add one thing 15:57:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:57:17 <|amethyst> ranged balancing 15:57:20