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I suppose it's harmless. 00:26:09 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:24 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:46 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:32:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1859-gc20e871: Hint at pan lords knowing spells (Patashu) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c20e871d72b7 00:32:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1860-g447edd5: Fix a few pan lord descriptions 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=447edd588a81 00:32:35 %whereis drke 00:32:35 DrKe the Necromancer (L21 DrNe), a worshipper of Makhleb, saved on Vaults:3 on 2014-07-02 after 33355 turns. 00:32:35 %dump drke 00:32:35 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/DrKe/DrKe.txt 00:34:11 hahaha, |amethyst, I just spotted the note you snuck into eac59a0f5b8 00:34:12 good 00:36:08 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1861-g96bcb33: Export rot 'timer' to a define 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Whales 12:32:48 haha 12:32:50 oops 12:32:52 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36:34 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38:26 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1864-g189c352: Update Lua mutation checks for wizname changes. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=189c352ec58f 12:38:45 doh, forgot to mention #8759 12:38:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:45 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:51:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:36 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:57 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:56 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:07:27 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:08:55 -!- puissantveil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:14:41 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:25:53 -!- ChangeAj has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:16 -!- 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Was that part of food "reform"? 14:29:36 minmay: submit a patch and I'll apply it 14:31:16 |amethyst: does a saved game on the experimental branches automatically get updated to the most recent version when the server revision for that branch is updated? 14:36:05 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:37:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:47 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:26 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41:46 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45:01 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:08 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:34 <|amethyst> Lasty_: yes, it works the same as stable branches 14:47:29 cool, thanks 14:47:37 Someone in the forum was asking 14:48:57 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:54:10 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:08 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02:04 -!- oneeyedjack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:18 -!- Dixlet_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:04:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:05:13 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:59 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1865-g26e817d: Fix whitespace 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26e817d61048 15:06:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:20 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14.1-25-g305bacd: Prompt for weapon choice if preselection was bad (#8577) 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=305bacd0084d 15:07:35 reaverb: you mean "Whitespace fixes" tsk tsk 15:08:47 <|amethyst> "Add whitespace fixes" 15:08:58 -!- rbrrk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09:02 "Run util/checkwhite" 15:09:21 Except in this case it blocked my commits but won't fix it <_< 15:09:41 So I had to track it down with git diff. 15:10:15 <|amethyst> reaverb: you have to run it from the top level 15:10:26 <|amethyst> reaverb: if you run it from source/ it will only look at things in source/ 15:10:46 |amethyst: Oh, yes, Thanks for reminding me of that. 15:13:13 -!- asema has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:14:55 ??c-r-d [2] 15:14:55 c-r-d[2/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 15:15:09 <|amethyst> my alias-like function for git add -u works in the toplevel because of the same problem 15:15:19 <|amethyst> though I think that might be one of the changes in git 2.0 15:15:28 Hmm. 15:15:43 * bh still thinks we should run a gerrit server 15:16:05 <|amethyst> ah, yes, they did change that in add -u and add -A, but not ls-files (so checkwhite etc would still have the issue) 15:16:21 -!- Keanan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:16:33 <|amethyst> though I guess they could have a cd "$(git rev-parse --show-toplevel)" 15:16:43 bh: Setting up code review sounds good, I'm not sure how feasible it would be though. 15:17:03 my code is UNREVIEWABLE 15:17:07 reaverb: I don't care about code review for *us*, but it would be a whole lot easier than "Please put your code on mantis" 15:17:30 bh: Hmm. 15:18:27 can't you submit pull requests to the current gitorious thing? 15:18:32 where they'll sit, forever, ignored 15:18:38 forever alone. 15:18:47 It's merge requests I think? 15:18:54 Pretty sure lava orcs is still on there... 15:18:58 huh. we have outstanding merge requests 15:19:09 yes, i'm not convinced that having yet another additional place to put things would help in that regard 15:20:41 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:21:26 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:54 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/merge_requests/27 -- I'm going to reject this. ok? 15:22:48 It's considerate that he flagged it off, but it's 11 months stale and I don't think add any code to justify that feature is worthwhile 15:23:07 it does seem like a disaster waiting to happen 15:23:17 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:20 <|amethyst> as it it breaks old ghost files anyway 15:23:26 <|amethyst> s/it it/it is it/ 15:23:31 also, much though I want to hear what 420goku69's ghost wants to say... 15:23:44 The other two should also probably be closed. 15:23:53 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/merge_requests/26 -- this I'm OK with, mod style issues 15:24:42 imho should just be "really attack?" 15:24:51 if it's going to be an 'always prompt melee' option 15:25:11 I don't think always_prompt_melee is a sensible option. 15:25:18 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:22 First, you could do it in an rc file if you really wanted. 15:25:32 <|amethyst> I think no_bump_attack makes more sense 15:25:35 <|amethyst> reaverb: how? 15:25:58 <|amethyst> I mean, with weapons it's easy 15:26:04 <|amethyst> but what about unarmed? 15:26:17 <|amethyst> (I also don't think it's a sensible option) 15:26:40 in NetHack 4, I added an option to control what the movement command does 15:26:57 |amethyst: macro all the movement keys to prompt if there's a monster, if you say yes they set a varaible which is unset when you wield something. (Possibly with another macro?) 15:27:01 the most aggressive option is "always attack, even if there's apparently nothing there"; the least aggressive is "if it doesn't look like there's open space there, don't do anything" 15:27:16 In retrospect that is a little complicated. 15:27:17 Should auto-butcher be rejected in light of chunkless? 15:27:20 with various intermediate stages such as "attack only hostile monsters", or "displace friendly monsters but don't interact otherwise" 15:27:23 <|amethyst> reaverb: what about invisible monsters? 15:27:41 ais523_: what's the obnoxious artifact in NH that makes you attack friends? 15:27:47 <|amethyst> bh: stormbringer 15:27:57 bh: I'm still working on chunk improvements, so I wouldn't say it should be rejected for that reason alone 15:28:02 bh: it doesn't do that in NH4 15:28:02 i haven't looked at it enough to say more 15:28:11 PF: k, I'll leave it to you 15:28:20 it's *two years* stale. 15:28:22 because it's an attempt to balance gameplay with an interface drawback, which is something I hate 15:28:24 I've heard auto_butcher is really rotted. 15:28:27 <|amethyst> it's also pretty huge 15:28:33 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:34 it would require massive refactoring, it was written just before a lot of the related stuff was changed 15:28:59 |amethyst: Isn't there a command which means "move in this direction, don't attack even if there's an invisible monster there" 15:29:02 so it was already pretty out of date like a week after it was posted, let alone 2 years 15:29:04 o 15:29:11 <|amethyst> so the patch is rejected (through no fault of the author) but the idea isn't 15:29:15 I've got quite enough refactoring to do as is 15:29:23 it would be a good feature but yes, the patch is not usable 15:29:31 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:41 rip 15:29:56 The author can get it into a mergeable state if he wants. 15:29:59 <|amethyst> reaverb: I don't think so 15:30:26 |amethyst: Hmm. 15:30:54 <|amethyst> reaverb: I guess maybe run does that, but of course moves more than one space 15:31:26 Excuse me, kitten. 15:32:24 oh apparently it's "pardon", not "excuse", now my joke is ruined 15:33:06 <|amethyst> Wasn't that an REM song? 15:33:58 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:34:02 <|amethyst> minmay: btw, were you working on a patch for the arena sprint thing? 15:34:18 <|amethyst> if not, I can do it, but need a good suggestion for the shop name 15:34:22 You move right into the kitten. 15:34:28 <|amethyst> Instead of "Bee Food" 15:34:36 |amethyst: Restoration Station 15:34:48 oh i already did that and forgot to push 15:34:54 * Grunt pushes MarvinPA. 15:34:56 i just added them to the potion shop 15:34:58 I wasn't working on a patch, no 15:35:00 <|amethyst> oh, even better 15:35:04 but I would've thought they would just go in the potion shops yes 15:35:08 Is it fine if I close those two merge requests? 15:35:22 (auto_butcher and always_prompt_melee) 15:35:33 yes 15:35:37 Go ahead. 15:35:53 great. no merge requests! good job, team! 15:36:02 <|amethyst> I suppose we need to have someone watching those 15:36:04 bh: now get to work on all those open Mantis entries 15:36:04 we did it :) 15:36:16 Grunt: is there a bulk-close option on mantis? ;) 15:36:24 I think I may get notified these days if someone makes a pull request? 15:36:27 I'd have to go check. 15:36:33 (or someone would have to make a pull request) 15:36:54 hrm. should we disable force push on gitorious? 15:37:27 if you can do that for master specifically, yes. otherwise, we do sometimes use force push for experimental branches, I think? 15:37:28 We can always reenable it, but it might prevent accidental silliness 15:37:29 I don't think so; it's occasionally useful (usually on branches). 15:37:42 If it were for master specifically, I could get behind that. 15:38:11 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1866-g491fd59: Add potions of restore abilities to arenasprint (minmay) 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=491fd597c2ed 15:38:14 (There is one instance in the past where we did a force push on master thanks to a blunder on my part.) 15:38:14 oh. grunt. did I ever ask you what the situation was with trunk windows builds 15:38:20 PleasingFungus: did they halt again? 15:38:26 the latest one is from the 23rd 15:38:32 last I checked 15:38:45 mm 15:38:56 Ask Nappy about them? 15:39:03 It probably has to do with the cdo server hiccup a few days ago. 15:39:07 yeah probably 15:39:23 Napkin: we're wondering about the state of Windows trunk builds, as you can see :) 15:39:29 people are getting confused because the last 'trunk updates' post I put up mentioned changes more recent than the last build 15:39:30 <|amethyst> I think the builds were actually running on the old server weren't they 15:39:34 |amethyst: they were! 15:39:55 *are 15:40:05 Hi! 15:41:49 our fearless sysadmin! 15:42:42 oh cool, we can add webhooks to gitorious 15:42:51 oo 15:42:57 <|amethyst> hm, remote.fetch only takes one refspec? 15:42:58 I like the sound of that 15:43:23 <|amethyst> I'm trying to figure out how to make git fetch origin get both refs/heads/* and refs/merge-requests/* 15:43:26 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:31 webhooks to gitorious? So like util/checkwhite and util/unbrace? 15:43:43 reaverb: it justs posts commit info on every push 15:43:55 bh: Hmm. 15:44:13 <|amethyst> I think kilobyte had been using that to email him so he could poke chei? 15:44:31 <|amethyst> well, so procmail could poke chei 15:44:42 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45:00 I don't see any active hooks 15:45:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45:17 doesn't chei just poll? 15:45:22 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:26 <|amethyst> bh: chei polls every five minutes 15:45:39 <|amethyst> bh: but can be poked to check sooner 15:45:42 <|amethyst> ??cheipoke 15:45:42 cheipoke[1/1]: http://s-z.org/cgi-bin/cheipoke 15:46:51 <|amethyst> As for my git question: I didn't figure out the answer, so I just set up a separate remote for merge reqs 15:48:01 <|amethyst> will still have to remember to git fetch mr from time to time 15:49:20 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:50:20 <|amethyst> but at least I can see them without looking at gitorious's website 15:50:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:57 is the gitorious website really all that bad? 15:51:27 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:51:53 it's in git, isn't it? 15:52:40 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:23 switched compiler back to i686-pc-mingw32. trunk builds should be coming up and be announced here 15:53:27 g'night o/ 15:53:29 noice! 15:53:36 ty :) 15:53:40 :) 15:53:42 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:54:14 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:54:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: "This object is too large to be viewed in your browser" 15:55:10 <|amethyst> oh, sorry, "This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser" 15:55:16 o 15:55:22 I remember that 15:56:04 <|amethyst> which is why Chei points to its own gitweb 15:56:17 <|amethyst> it used to point to crawl.develz.org but that was annoying when Chei got the commit first 15:56:25 <|amethyst> err, git.develz.org 15:57:18 <|amethyst> still need to move all the stuff from //s-z.org to dobrazupa.org 15:57:33 <|amethyst> except for the mailing list 15:57:57 <|amethyst> all the crawl-related stuff I mean 15:57:58 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:07 <|amethyst> chei would be a lot faster there 15:58:15 <|amethyst> and log searching 15:59:56 <|amethyst> Hm 15:59:57 faster log searching would be cool 16:00:01 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:13 <|amethyst> I should also make chei monitor and report merge requests 16:00:15 <|amethyst> or someone should 16:01:21 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:01:27 <|amethyst> %help 16:01:27 http://s-z.org/neil/git/cheibriados.git http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 16:01:54 <|amethyst> Chei is kind of passive-agressive 16:02:16 <|amethyst> Maybe should add "RTFS" to that response 16:03:10 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:04:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:06:34 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:46 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:31 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1866-g491fd59 16:11:59 -!- puissantveil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:15:08 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:36 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:16:18 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:14 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:46 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:50 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 16:18:46 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:20:09 -!- rohan_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21:08 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:24:21 -!- Galewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:24:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:40:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:44:46 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:23 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:38 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:57:39 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:00:44 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:01:47 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:02:01 -!- wuizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:35 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:02:49 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:03:02 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:44 -!- Makrond has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:42 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-1866-g491fd59 (34) 17:11:07 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15:43 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 17:16:18 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 17:18:07 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 17:19:26 PleasingFungus: scrub 17:19:33 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:54 !send gammafunk a stop to fun 17:22:55 Sending a stop to fun to gammafunk. 17:22:59 .gmap 17:23:05 25. PleasingFungus the Conjurer (L22 DgEn), blasted by a spriggan air mage (the air) on Depths:3 (gammafunk_depths_water_palace) on 2014-07-03 19:00:25, with 465772 points after 85648 turns and 6:31:23. 17:23:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:15 now I just need a kill on gammafunk_crypt_yreds_forest 17:24:20 althought that's pretty unlikely 17:24:34 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:24:44 was the plan to remove the extra airstrike damage to the player when flying at some point? 17:29:40 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:30 Boring Beetle on Dungeon:1 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 by Vinterriket 17:32:15 -!- Goncyn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:33:45 people were talking about it 17:33:56 idk 17:34:03 I kind of like airstrike on wind drakes in shoals 17:34:19 because it's a funny fuck-you to people casting flight (as opposed to evoking it) 17:34:33 it also works pretty well in water palace for similar reasons 17:34:45 it's when it's just a fuck you to people who have permaflight that it's boring 17:35:09 boring beetle (07B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 13/4 | Dam: 35 | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 110 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 17:35:09 %??boring beetle 17:35:09 fr: when using ?/s , you can search by school 17:35:26 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 322 | Sp: pain (d10), paralyse, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 17:35:26 %??grinder 17:35:48 man, I would fucking kill to encounter a boring beetle on d:1 17:35:50 Grinder (07B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 13/4 | Dam: 35 | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 110 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 17:35:50 %??boring beetle name:Grinder n_rpl 17:35:54 look at all that free xp 17:36:17 if you were a venom mage, yes 17:36:26 otherwise you wouldn't be able to pierce the 13 AC 17:36:34 -!- TS__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:04 sure you could 17:37:11 it would just take forever 17:37:25 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:29 !send Bloax --as 17:38:30 Sending --as to Bloax. 17:38:55 8 poison needles would be just about enough to do the trick, I think 17:39:08 coincidentally, that's how many the assassin starts with :) 17:39:22 I was doing some NaAs of Iashol, but that's not a super great start 17:39:35 iashol should let you cut off your tail 17:39:37 That sounds ... questionable ...? 17:39:48 Yeah I'm going to try NaSk maybe 17:39:50 (the start, I mean) 17:39:55 also, we really need a lizardperson race 17:40:02 poison spit AND poison needles????? 17:40:04 op 17:40:06 ontoclasm: do salamanders count? <_< 17:40:09 PleasingFungus: dang 17:40:09 (wait no that's a different race!!!) 17:40:28 Grunt: if you don't implement salamanders, I'm gonna do it first!!! 17:40:30 poison needles and curare are lovely for like the first four levels 17:40:35 PleasingFungus: I already have an implementation!!! 17:40:36 and I'm gonna implement... bcadren's version :evil: 17:40:38 after that thought you're on your own 17:41:02 slamanders don't count, i want skinks :/ 17:41:45 (remove salamanders, replace with skinks) 17:41:51 !send ontoclasm http://i.imgur.com/0zWaiBN.jpg 17:41:52 Sending http://i.imgur.com/0zWaiBN.jpg to ontoclasm. 17:42:04 adorable 17:42:09 I have yet to see a really good salamander proposal 17:42:29 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:42:57 of course anyone doing a fire race has the weight of both Dj and LO on their shoulders 17:43:01 i mean, look at this guy: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4W-hpkhaZIM/TxQ7phzgZnI/AAAAAAAABqw/tEYADZ1MafQ/s1600/IMG_1360.JPG 17:43:03 third time's the charm???? 17:43:08 possibly 17:43:31 actually, now that i think about it 17:43:39 !send gammafunk legendary affinity for fire 17:43:39 Sending legendary affinity for fire to gammafunk. 17:43:47 a race that focuses on gods might be neat 17:43:54 anti-demigods, as it were 17:44:00 !send ontoclasm +3 Invocations 17:44:00 Sending +3 Invocations to ontoclasm. 17:44:04 !send Grunt protests over the Salamander description 17:44:05 Sending protests over the Salamander description to Grunt. 17:44:09 +5 invo, innate faith or something 17:44:18 hill orcs would focus on gods if they weren't also hilariously good in other ways 17:44:57 demonspawn would focus on gods if they didn't have their muts & also if they weren't locked out of some of the invo-heaviest gods (rip) 17:45:05 yes 17:45:06 (crawl racism) 17:45:24 what does focus on gods mean? 17:45:53 they're good with using god powers in the way that deep elves are good with magic and minos are good at whacking stuff 17:46:11 everyone can use magic and whack stuff, of course 17:46:30 but a minotaur does it easily and well, at the expense of some other stuff 17:46:41 well there's only one skill that can said to influence being good with god powers 17:46:49 so that just means "has good invocations"? 17:47:07 well this doesn't have to be their -only- spiel 17:47:19 but even the invocation can have wildly different notions of making abilities better 17:47:24 but "good invo, innate faith" would be a good base 17:47:55 and if that's not enough priestliness then you could have something like... i dunno, innate wrath dilution or something 17:47:55 (have faith in the design?) 17:48:24 !send Grunt forlorn design 17:48:24 Sending forlorn design to Grunt. 17:48:50 !send gammafunk placid magic 17:48:51 Sending placid magic to gammafunk. 17:50:16 i mean, it's just a rnadom sudden thought; presumably there are plenty of other things to give them if i think about it for a bit 17:50:31 oh. grunt. crate is very angry about ranged stabbing 17:50:34 idk if you knew 17:50:36 but now you do 17:52:22 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:52:26 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:00:19 |amethyst: rip 18:00:48 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:49 <|amethyst> I should have clouded the MoW as soon as I saw it 18:00:54 ontoclasm: HO are already pretty much that 18:00:59 oh pleasingfungus said that 18:01:18 anyway yeah a bunch of races have +3 invoc and more than that would probably get kinda silly 18:01:44 -!- Morik has quit [Client Quit] 18:01:53 <|amethyst> could give demonspawn a faith mutation 18:02:14 <|amethyst> L1 rHoly, L2 faith, L3 can worship any god 18:02:22 <|amethyst> or the opposite order 18:03:13 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:30 <|amethyst> s/mutation/facet/ 18:03:37 3rd tier is "safer to do holy pan" 18:03:51 !apt HO 18:03:51 HO: Fighting: 2, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 3!, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: 0, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: 1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -3, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -3, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: -2, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 3!, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 1, MP: 0 18:03:53 MarvinPA: i know HO do that, but HO are also good at everything else and it's sort of strange that they're the best worshippers in addition to everything else 18:04:44 orcs are angry and warlike and hate veryone and thus make by far the best healers 18:04:48 mmm, i guess the thing with invocations is that everyone's already really good at it, basically 18:05:13 the sum of HO's aptitudes are -2 18:05:14 haha 18:06:47 also there's the fact that over half the gods don't use invo 18:06:57 ...maybe slightly under half, i've lost count 18:07:00 dang 18:07:09 and several of the invo users don't need much of it 18:07:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:08:20 imagine a world, in which okawaru, was not boring. 18:08:33 !send PleasingFungus boredom 18:08:34 Sending boredom to PleasingFungus. 18:08:47 !send Grunt EXCITEMENT! 18:08:47 Sending EXCITEMENT! to Grunt. 18:08:48 he's not as exciting as some, but I wouldn't say he's outright boring 18:08:54 !send PleasingFungus POWER NAP!!!!!!!! 18:08:55 Sending POWER NAP!!!!!!!! to PleasingFungus. 18:08:58 rip 18:09:56 gammafunk: he makes your character better, mainly at hitting or shooting things. also, occasionally he gives you trash. in exchange, you have to worship okawaru. 18:10:01 basically I'd be happier if he had a conduct 18:10:33 -!- Zephryn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:34 -!- jaumoose has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:50 he does (not damaging allies) 18:11:04 he "has" a "conduct", yes 18:11:10 it is 'very relevant' 18:11:16 :b 18:11:23 that doesn't sound like a particularly cogent argument for "he is boring", just your subjective opinion 18:11:42 not saying he couldn't be improved, of course 18:12:32 my subjective opinion is that it doesn't feel like he affects the way you play 18:12:33 everything can be improved 18:12:46 he makes you stronger, and you have to hit p a bunch 18:12:51 the difficult part that haunts mankind since forever is "how" 18:13:01 -!- yuastnav has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 18:13:01 how could it possibly be that he does not affect the way you play 18:13:21 or I guess we'd have to define "the way you play" 18:13:32 yeah 18:13:49 dpeg had some ideas on how to improve his gifting, some of which might work 18:13:52 if you're looking for boring 18:13:57 then you're looking at the wrong place 18:14:02 tbh his gifting is the most interesting & thematic part of him 18:14:03 you have a god damn DEMON GOD OF DESTRUCTION 18:14:06 and what does he do 18:14:11 DESTROYS 18:14:11 he blows you up with elec orb 18:14:18 !lg * ikiller~~Makhleb 18:14:19 110. smilodon the Spear-Bearer (L12 DsFi of Qazlal), slain by an Executioner (created by the fury of Makhleb) on Snake:1 on 2014-07-03 09:13:37, with 18909 points after 15778 turns and 2:06:29. 18:14:21 he gives you hp on kills and lets you summon demons a bit 18:14:22 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:22 -!- jbenedet1o has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:22 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:23 makhleb is great because his abilities will fuck you up 18:14:25 !lg * ikiller~~Makhleb ktyp=divine_wrath 18:14:26 2. Anonymoose the Covert (L9 SpAs of Dithmenos), killed by a bolt of fire invoked by the fury of Makhleb on D:10 on 2014-06-15 23:18:07, with 1967 points after 5579 turns and 0:32:25. 18:14:52 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:06 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:09 I mean I was thinking about calling him out as boring, because in terms of sacrifice & conduct he's in the same place as oka, but 18:15:17 -!- Wensley is now known as Guest63345 18:15:20 the actual abilities are so much more interesting 18:15:43 admittedly if you just worship him for the hp on kills and don't use the abilities then he's boring 18:15:45 and you're boring 18:15:50 but you can only blame yourself for that!!! 18:16:05 !send PleasingFungus DD 18:16:05 well hp on kills can give some really great and agressive gameplay 18:16:06 Sending DD to PleasingFungus. 18:16:15 makhleb is the true berserker god 18:16:24 because berserking is actually rather viable with hp on kills 18:16:30 RIP AND TEAR 18:16:30 because to live you gotta keep that killcount up 18:16:41 RIP AND TEAR THE HUGE MEATBAGS 18:16:50 that's what vamp exec axes are for 18:17:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:05 thankfully those grow on trees 18:17:25 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:37 I got a vamp dwhip on my last dd, on lair:1 18:17:39 that was nice 18:18:11 The +∞ Vampiric Axe of Woe (weapon) 18:18:25 rip double infinity 18:18:32 ripip 18:18:50 rip∞ip∞ip∞ip∞ip∞ip∞ip∞ip∞ip∞p∞ 18:18:55 tbh +∞ is more elegant 18:19:16 (shh) 18:20:27 -!- TS__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:30 gonna go all DF and make a ultra-simple God of Bins. Just gives you some bins to put things in 18:21:55 give him makh heal too and you have the perfect zig god 18:21:58 imo that idea can go straight to the bin 18:22:12 Grunt: you can take things out of the bin though 18:22:17 so let's do that 18:22:28 crap, B is taken, abort 18:22:44 imo un-take B???? 18:22:49 Binogh 18:22:52 (or do 26 B gods, amiright) 18:22:52 haha 18:23:16 implement randgods, they all have names starting with B 18:23:39 capped at 26 18:23:54 why, you ask? 18:24:05 because then we have 27 gods that start with B!!!!!11!! 18:24:30 !send 27 Bloax 18:24:31 Sending Bloax to 27. 18:24:50 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 18:25:02 bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb 18:26:11 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:43 -!- nooodl has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:26:45 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 18:26:52 XXXxXXxXXXXXXxXXXxXXxXXxXXx 18:27:00 that's a lot of ugly 18:27:38 You see here a runed club. 18:27:51 !!! 18:28:14 iridescent club 18:28:28 distressingly furry club 18:29:01 PleasingFungus: tune into Nomi's game on cao for a moment 18:29:12 &watch Nomi 18:29:13 !watch Nomi 18:29:13 Watch Nomi at: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-Nomi 18:29:25 you see here: distressingly furry buckler 2x, a thick rod 18:29:27 <|amethyst> what was the message? 18:29:37 {{[string "db_embedded_lua"]:2: bad argument #1 to 'mutation' (No such 18:29:38 mutation: 'herbivorous'.)}} Chicken. 18:29:48 <|amethyst> fixed 18:29:52 <|amethyst> %git 189c352e 18:29:52 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1864-g189c352: Update Lua mutation checks for wizname changes. 10(6 hours ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=189c352ec58f 18:30:00 ah 18:30:17 The Chicken tastes very good. 18:30:27 fire crab!!! 18:30:30 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:37 in MY lair?? 18:31:11 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 18:31:42 It's more likely than you think. 18:31:56 I know, their placement got bumped 18:37:03 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41:33 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:01 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:26 Grunt: oh, I missed it 18:42:39 PleasingFungus: don't worry; it's already been dealt with <_< 18:42:45 PleasingFungus: (it was a description-related Lua error) 18:42:57 o 18:43:08 I saw a bunch of people complaining about the pizza problem earlier 18:43:12 by which I mean like three 18:43:19 and by complaining, I mean mentioning 18:43:25 !send PleasingFungus the fabled pizza problem! 18:43:26 Sending the fabled pizza problem! to PleasingFungus. 18:43:32 I thought you were talking about a torpor crab and/or fire snail 18:43:36 or vice versa 18:43:44 !send PleasingFungus the fabled PleasingFungus Pizza 18:43:45 Sending the fabled PleasingFungus Pizza to PleasingFungus. 18:43:52 mm. mushrooms! 18:43:57 !send Grunt the fabled Pan Pizza 18:43:58 Sending the fabled Pan Pizza to Grunt. 18:44:06 Except not anymore since Pan was removed! 18:44:15 wheals: so you're saying that idea was 18:44:16 *glasses* 18:44:17 panned. 18:44:17 ALL of pan 18:44:52 it's funny to me that shoals was initially designed to come with a signature unique 18:45:02 ? 18:45:03 who'd exemplify the themes of the area, and would be guaranteed on shoals:5 18:45:11 and who was named 18:45:14 polyphemus 18:45:35 heh 18:45:37 tbh throwing large rocks at you exemplifies the themes of the area pretty well 18:45:51 admittedly 18:45:52 man 18:45:55 I was talking with nrook about the kraken 18:45:57 it's a cool monster 18:46:06 but it gets used so poorly 18:46:06 the nrookraken 18:46:11 terrifying!!!! 18:46:19 in particular, the shoals:5 rune vault featuring a kraken is 18:46:20 kind of bad 18:46:42 * wheals mumbles something about a runed kraken. 18:46:44 replace the kraken with an elemental wellspring clearly :v 18:46:56 Well it's been pointed out that krakens are just not terribly effective monsters 18:47:10 I'm not convinced that's necessarily true 18:47:19 in shoals particularly 18:47:21 it's hard to use krakens well since they are completely harmless unless it is impossible to remove them from LOS for a single turn 18:47:26 !lg * ikiller=kraken 18:47:30 254. keeo the Severer (L12 DDBe of Trog), demolished by a tentacle (attached to a kraken) on Shoals:1 on 2014-07-03 16:13:09, with 24446 points after 12559 turns and 1:33:54. 18:47:39