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ZZZzzz…] 00:02:48 so I've been thinking about a nerf idea for ozo's armour at the very least 00:03:14 Make it give you rF- while in use 00:03:23 an obvious thought 00:03:26 maybe too obvious???? 00:03:28 it could be a trap 00:03:56 The point is as it is, it's optimal to use ozo's armour against even fire enemies 00:04:06 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:09 Since with enough duration it can even take an orb of fire fireball and keep working 00:06:20 sure 00:08:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1737-g933cb40 (34) 00:09:22 I also was thinking about a nerf to cTele 00:09:24 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:28 (i.e. the spell) 00:09:37 (the nerf would be removing it :v) 00:09:47 that is something many people have suggested 00:09:51 for both spell and ring, actually 00:12:52 are there other sources of it outside of that? 00:13:03 (because I think Nemelex has a card that gives it) 00:14:49 I think the Nemelex CTele card was removed. 00:14:50 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:41 The thing about ozos giving rF- would be that it would just be "Don't use this Charm is situation X" and would rarely be a meaningful decision (Like Song of Slaying or Death's Door) 00:16:08 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:53 oh 00:16:56 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:34 the problem is that without some sort of drawback, if you can cast it (and you're wearing the armor for it to work), there's no reason not to keep it up at all times 00:17:42 I still think it rF- might be better than as-is, I've never used Ozos so I'm not qualified to tell. 00:17:49 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1738-g885142f: Simplify and improve some initialization macros. 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 40+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=885142fd33fe 00:17:49 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1739-g2f7a7cf: Make a sign conversion explicit. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f7a7cfbcbe3 00:17:59 Yes if you want to keep it up at all times rF- would be good. 00:18:25 yeahh 00:18:45 of course, that raises the question of what to do about stoneskin, which has the same problem only without the armor restriction 00:19:30 stoneskin could just become a property of training earth magic 00:19:33 Removal would probably work. 00:19:43 <|amethyst> Patashu: ugh 00:19:54 reaverb: For what 00:19:57 Stoneskin? 00:19:59 Yes. 00:20:03 Or Ozos I guess. 00:20:10 Or both! 00:20:23 Or Lightli. 00:20:32 That too 00:20:33 wait 00:20:49 Or reaverb. 00:20:50 Or Crawl. 00:20:54 Or Grunt. 00:21:01 |amethyst: nice, thanks for the cleanup. 00:21:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: np, thanks 00:21:26 (what would the starting ice book get in exchange for losing ozo's?) 00:21:36 I kind of realized in hindsight that it may have been wiser to expose any necessary bits to lua and do this in lua 00:21:49 I really like ice magic being the school that focuses less on damage and more on buff spells 00:21:54 we actually already had a lua script in scripts that did some of this 00:21:59 without ozo's and cshield, you don't have that 00:22:12 so I'd pretty strongly oppose just removing them 00:22:24 stoneskin I don't care about 00:22:35 I wasn't saying anything about cshield 00:22:45 well, it's the same spell though, basically 00:22:47 design-wise 00:23:03 same problems 00:23:54 yeah, the scope thing should have occurred to me actually 00:24:10 Can you keep Sure Blade up indefinitely? 00:24:24 ??sure blade 00:24:24 sure blade[1/2]: Level 2 Hexes/Charms spell that gives much higher to-hit but only works with short blades. Very useful, provided you're using short blades. Adds 4+1d(duration) to your *final* accuracy, capped at 14. 00:24:49 you probably can, but why bother 00:24:53 yeah 00:24:59 +acc for short blades 00:25:04 The Most Useless Charm 00:25:12 ??sure_balde[2 00:25:13 when it's useful it's really useful though 00:25:13 sure balde ~ sure blade ~ protip[5/27]: For the record, Sure Blade is far from useless both early and late in the game. If anything, the spell is closer to being overpowered than underpowered. --rwbarton 00:25:25 like fighting spriggans 00:25:44 sure bald 00:25:47 fr 00:26:00 would be a nerf to hairy trog though 00:26:03 dang, that was some powerful sequell action 00:26:17 <|amethyst> You headbutt the dragon! The dragon is blinded! 00:26:17 I'd try to remove the spells myself and post the patch but I'm worried I'll mess up 00:26:28 03Nate Rook02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.15-a0-1740-g7553af3: Make it possible for do_ability to target before failing. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 212+ 96-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7553af35b78e 00:26:28 03Nate Rook02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.15-a0-1741-gd3f10a3: Have Imprison fail only after aborted. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3f10a37eb7f 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1742-g0ba0a0b: Partially refactor jump attack 10(69 minutes ago, 1 file, 29+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ba0a0bc981d 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1743-g0816ef1: Make breath weapons not fail before targeting 10(54 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0816ef109522 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1744-g55310b9: Make Yred's Enslave Soul not fail before targeting 10(48 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55310b93fcfe 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1745-gd16265b: Make Makhleb's Destruction not fail before targeting 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d16265b1dca1 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1746-g358e3e3: Partially refactor cast_healing() 10(27 minutes ago, 6 files, 30+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=358e3e32b804 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1747-ge460ca6: Make Lugonu's Banish not fail before targeting 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e460ca6889f4 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1748-g1cb8be5: Make Fedhas Sunlight not fail before targeting 10(15 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cb8be525c62 00:26:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1749-gf75ec48: Make Qazlal's Upheaval not fail before targeting 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f75ec486db36 00:26:30 (If the spells get removed, what should the starting books that contain them get for replacements? 00:26:30 what, ozo's and cshield? 00:26:37 I mean ozo's and stoneskin 00:26:39 Lightli: have you been reading anything that I said 00:26:45 yes 00:26:50 <|amethyst> Lightli: why would you remove ozo's and not cshield? 00:27:00 ...good point 00:27:15 [22:21] PleasingFungus I really like ice magic being the school that focuses less on damage and more on buff spells 00:27:17 [22:21] PleasingFungus without ozo's and cshield, you don't have that 00:27:18 [22:22] PleasingFungus so I'd pretty strongly oppose just removing them 00:27:23 ok 00:27:29 are you really going to make a commit 00:27:32 for every single one of those 00:27:46 well, they're distinct and take a nontrivial amount of time each 00:27:49 see the timestamps 00:27:59 <|amethyst> and it's easier to revert a broken one this way 00:28:05 ^ 00:28:32 PleasingFungus: couldn't come up with two more commits to trigger "and X more commits"? 00:28:32 each is its own beautiful snowflake of weird idiosyncratic code 00:28:35 :( 00:28:39 Grunt: I didn't know the threshold! 00:28:44 next time :) 00:28:44 rip 00:29:08 <|amethyst> wait 00:29:15 <|amethyst> + * @param fail If true, the ability is doomed to fail, and either SPRET_FAIL or 00:29:18 <|amethyst> + * SPRET_ABORT will be returned. Otherwise, the ability will always 00:29:22 <|amethyst> + * succeed. 00:29:31 oh 00:29:31 <|amethyst> so if you passed the success chance, there's no way to abort? 00:29:33 that's not true 00:29:42 is that one of nrook's commits? 00:29:43 let me look 00:29:49 <|amethyst> yes 00:29:59 tbh I didn't really look at the comments 00:30:01 just the actual code 00:30:34 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:46 want me to reword that? 00:32:25 <|amethyst> wouldn't hurt :) 00:32:48 redmage (L10 MiBe) (D:11) 00:32:55 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1750-g2f1a3c0: Fix a comment 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f1a3c071cfd 00:32:59 just wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on your toes :) 00:33:01 <|amethyst> !crashlog redmage 00:33:01 11. redmage, XL10 MiBe, T:3161 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/redmage/crash-redmage-20140627-053248.txt 00:33:38 <|amethyst> hyper_usage.lua 00:33:40 <|amethyst> set_usage 00:33:45 PleasingFungus: The max range of the jump, in squares. that's incorrect; it's a radius 00:33:49 oh 00:33:51 oops 00:34:12 ...what's the distinction? 00:34:31 it's the radius of a crawl circle 00:34:34 like spell ranges 00:35:09 !send gammafunk squarelos 00:35:10 Sending squarelos to gammafunk. 00:35:12 indeed 00:35:18 anyway 00:35:22 but that's after other stuff 00:35:22 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:52 not sure how glaciate will play with squarelos 00:36:07 mm 00:36:12 I was going to remove diamond obelisk 00:36:13 but I can't now 00:36:15 it's targeting area is already dependent on the "angle" anyhow, iirc 00:36:19 someone found a cool use for it 00:36:26 Maybe somebody should try to rebase squarelos :D 00:36:27 so instead I'll just remove the badvault 00:36:32 PleasingFungus: blame Grunt 00:36:36 reaverb: oh, god, no. boulderform was bad enough 00:37:00 reaverb: no, I'm planning to do a squarelos branch at some point but I'd just use that as a reference if anything 00:37:06 Ha. 00:37:13 gammafunk: Oh, really? Hmm. 00:37:22 I don't care either way on the LOS issue really. 00:37:39 Although I guess I've never really seen squarelos in action. 00:38:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1751-gaf64dd7: Fix another comment 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af64dd7e1a7a 00:42:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, I still am unsure about that... there are situations where things might fail even though they passed the chance 00:42:59 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not an ability, but consider conjure flame on an invisible monster 00:43:09 <|amethyst> that should be a failure, not an abort 00:44:00 true 00:44:02 there are cases like that 00:44:25 but the new comment doesn't contradict that? 00:44:49 <|amethyst> oh, you're right 00:44:50 it says that the ability will return SPRET_FAIL if (fail && it doesn't return SPRET_ABORT first), not iff 00:44:51 -!- sativa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:45:35 blinking is another one that can fail if you try to blink onto an invisible monster 00:45:42 (solution: remove invisibility) 00:46:35 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1752-g81106b0: Assert that we did not escape predestination. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=81106b096fb3 00:46:49 good check 00:46:54 also good commit message 00:47:16 I like invisbility but yes it could stand to be less of an interface screw. 00:47:39 is it really an interface screw now? It's certainly much less of one than it used to be. 00:47:41 <|amethyst> Calvinist crawl 00:47:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the big problem is how predictable monsters are 00:48:15 solution: give all invisible monsters blink 00:48:17 :) 00:48:25 nethack invisible monster AI 00:48:29 where they move to the side when you find them and so on 00:48:44 Patashu: How jokey is that? 00:48:55 alterantively how serious is that? 00:49:01 adom does it too iirc 00:49:07 and crawl used to do it? 00:49:23 crawl used to randomize where the 'invisible monster' marker appeared 00:49:31 it would show up near them, but not actually on their position 00:49:40 haha, that's good 00:49:53 that was until 0.14 or 0.15; I forget 00:49:55 it was a recent change 00:50:03 FR: cloaks of displacement (imported from Nethack) 00:50:30 I liked cloaks of displacement when I played nethack, not sure if they're worth the trouble though. 00:50:37 Particularly the oddities with SInv 00:53:25 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:03:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1753-g2e80b94: Remove a puzzle vault 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e80b9460f6b 01:03:37 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:09:36 -!- efrs has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:13:00 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:14:41 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:16:19 -!- breeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:15 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:52 -!- SamB__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:29 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:28:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:30:39 -!- Phalm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:41:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140620030201]] 01:45:33 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:45:51 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:51 !tell wheals mantis should be sending email again. thanks for reporting! 01:52:51 Napkin: You have 18 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:52:52 Napkin: OK, I'll let wheals know. 02:02:02 -!- HamsterSaurusMex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:04:11 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:13:21 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:16:52 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:17:16 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:57 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1753-g2e80b94 (34) 02:19:43 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:22:00 How do y'all handle LoS; I'm about 'this' far from manually writing a 200 boolean checks to run it for this project; because I can't see a simplified way really 02:22:00 Bcadren: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:23:47 http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Line_of_sight http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Category:FOV 02:23:47 Actually I bet I know how crawl does it and I know why I can't use that. (straight lines don't follow the same rules in Hex grids.) 02:23:54 there's a lot of pre-made work, use it 02:24:17 probably can't. 02:26:20 Patashu I'm on a hex grid. Most, if not all of those assume Chebyshev Grid. 02:26:56 https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hex+grid+line+of+sight&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=NxytU4WuN4PH8gePlYCwBw#channel=sb&q=%28hex+OR+hexagonal%29+grid+%28%22line+of+sight%22+OR+%22field+of+view%22+OR+%22field+of+vision%22+OR+raycast+OR+raycaster%29&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official 02:26:58 study up! 02:29:53 that's the grid I'm useing...rotated 30 degrees. >_< 02:30:29 I linked you a google search, so your reply is ambiguous 02:32:42 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:33:06 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:32 first hit wasn't the same grid system, it differed by rotation. 02:34:22 ' first hit wasn't the same grid system, it differed by rotation.' if crawl was rotated 45 degrees no one would have to re-code LoS 02:35:15 -!- Ropye has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:36:12 If it was renumbered to match the conversion would be confusing. 02:36:16 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36:17 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:37 bcadren: you can just number it internally according to what makes the LoS algorithm work, and number it externally according to what makes it the least confusing to viewers 02:37:40 this is a thing you can do 02:38:28 -!- Werehuman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:48:37 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET ¢Æ Zero IRC ¢Æ Ver 2.9G] 02:57:09 -!- joy19999 is now known as joy1999 03:07:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09:09 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:18:25 -!- joy1999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:55 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:01 -!- Cautre has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:29:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:17 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:45:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16:52 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:53 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19:38 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:00 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:17 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:29 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:30 -!- plantmann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:27:09 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:09 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:42 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:48 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:45:08 Hi, anyone here? I have a query 04:45:57 If you are a follower of Qaz and you get hit by elec damage he gives you relec even if you already have it 04:46:14 yeah it's pretty silly 04:46:23 does this do anything, and if not, isn't this a bug 04:46:40 it does exactly nothing since it grants you rElec which you already have 04:47:48 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:47:53 would be nice if he didn't give redundant temporary resistances 04:48:03 it's not a bug, you can only have one resistance from Q at a time so it replaces any previous one you had 04:48:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:26 which is bad because I already have relec 04:48:47 bad for you but not a bug, yes 04:49:43 ok, I just thought gods should be smarter than that, being gods and all 04:49:56 it's a bug if he's supposed to protect you from elements 04:50:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:16 since what he does here is potentially clear a legitimate resistance to replace it with a duplicate binary one 04:51:12 but i guess it's not a bug in the same sense that jumping causing exhaustion without actually jumping isn't a bug 04:51:44 is line-drawing for LoS really that bad? [Isn't that what crawl uses?] ...Also, why do people try to talk me out of every decision I make it's bonkers. 04:51:53 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:52:45 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:45 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:53:20 this is not the dev channel for your game 04:56:11 Isn't it what crawl uses though? it looks like it. o_o; 04:57:51 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .] 05:03:34 -!- Ropye has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:14:19 hmm did someone break the speech database 05:24:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:53 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:26:58 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:27:07 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1754-gbc898ce: Make enchanted cloaks glow 10(32 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc898cedac96 05:27:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1755-g03a20ba: Don't give unclassed draconians cloaks 10(32 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=03a20babedb8 05:27:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1756-gbf89b5e: Fix a Donald speech entry 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf89b5e1fea6 05:51:12 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:59 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:07 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1757-gb18a5d7: Make base demonspawn much less common in Pan 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b18a5d7aff20 05:59:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:02:25 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf89b5e1fea6 06:07:50 oops 06:07:59 @The_monster@ chuckles, "I'd hate to see you lose all those scrolls..." @player_only@ 06:08:11 might want to remove that if item destruction is gone 06:13:23 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1758-g47bdaa5: Remove an obsolete ghost speech line (Kvaak) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47bdaa5c06e7 06:17:24 -!- breeder__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17:42 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:49 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:19:40 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:38 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:29:49 -!- sudarshans has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37:42 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:41:14 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:43 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:37 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:47:07 -!- PsiRedEye22|Away is now known as PsiRedEye22 06:47:28 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 06:48:37 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:51:27 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:02:12 -!- sudarshans has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:05:23 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:13:04 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:51 are monsters supposed to remove slow when berserking? 07:22:07 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:55 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:17 -!- gnuvince has quit [Client Quit] 07:34:50 -!- Philonous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:20 -!- breeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:39:01 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 07:40:41 <|amethyst> oh, that explains the complaints about CAO lags 07:41:01 <|amethyst> there were several dozen copies of the clean-trunks script running 07:42:48 shiit 07:42:54 also nice screenshots http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/screenshots 07:43:40 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1727-g8d4f0ef (34) 07:47:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49:48 -!- Evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:49:48 -!- Evablue_ is now known as Evablue 07:52:39 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:36 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00:16 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 08:04:44 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:05:20 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:17 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:13:01 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 08:14:04 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:17:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:13 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:45 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:19:34 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:20:56 -!- umrain has quit [Client Quit] 08:25:05 !tell MarvinPA how bad an idea is this http://pastie.org/pastes/9328521/text 08:25:05 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:25:06 wheals: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 08:25:14 !messages 08:25:14 (1/2) WalkerBoh said (11h 17m 53s ago): daaaaang! NaNe was slaying all the top dudes, nice win 08:25:14 !messages 08:25:14 (1/1) Napkin said (6h 32m 19s ago): mantis should be sending email again. thanks for reporting! 08:26:33 whoah, jewellery acquirement actually being considerable with a change of getting a stick of fast/healing being a thing 08:26:42 chance of getting* grr 08:27:46 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:30:14 how's that monster berserk removing slow thing? it's weird but I'm not sure if it's weird enough to merit a mantis ticket 08:30:28 is it snorg, or another monster? 08:30:35 any monster that berserks afaik 08:30:38 since snorg has some weird code 08:30:43 snorg and black bears at least worked 08:30:59 I'll try giving an orc a berserk pot or something 08:31:42 ??mantis is down bugs 08:31:42 mantis is down bugs[1/1]: staff melee always does 0 damage 08:32:07 !tell minmay probably report staff melee on mantis unless grunt fixes it first 08:32:07 wheals: OK, I'll let minmay know. 08:32:12 !learn del mantis is down bugs 08:32:13 Deleted mantis is down bugs[1/1]: staff melee always does 0 damage 08:32:20 yeah it seems to work for all sources of berserk 08:32:35 it even gives a message, "The orc shakes off its lethargy." 08:32:46 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:59 so, maybe intentional 08:33:47 yes, definitely intentional, but no comment 08:33:51 gonna try git blaming 08:33:52 apparently. it's weird though. 08:34:11 monster berserk is silly enough as-is 08:34:28 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:34:33 it's also really nice how it's +50% damage, haste and without the steep-as-fuck falloff on moving players have 08:35:59 although the falloff is pretty handy for getting out of berserk when you don't want it 08:36:17 if you don't mind passing out, sure 08:36:28 I think in most situations haste + 50% hp would be preferable 08:36:57 passing out and teleporting is better than spending 15 turns surrounded by monsters 08:38:33 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:39:40 it goes back to 08:39:45 %git 5d21ab53cd4c5c73 08:39:45 07greensnark02 * 0.3-a0-93-g5d21ab5: Moth of wrath angering attack was lost in 0.2, reintroduced. 10(7 years ago, 17 files, 459+ 147-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d21ab53cd4c 08:40:01 which adds monster berserk 08:40:01 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40:48 does monster berserk being broken go back that far 08:41:18 (well broken and "broken", certainly a teeny bit unfair) 08:42:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:59 "A vile undead creation of the most unholy necromancy, these creatures are made 08:44:59 from the decaying corpses of humanoid creatures. They exist to spread disease and decay, and gain power from the decaying corpses of other beings. 08:45:42 does this mean each one is made of decaying corpses, or each one is made from a decaying corpse 08:46:29 !rng corpse corpses 08:46:30 The RNG chooses: corpse. 08:46:30 the latter 08:50:28 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:59:15 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:06:54 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:16:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:08 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18:09 -!- sudarshans has quit [Changing host] 09:18:09 -!- sudarshans has quit [Changing host] 09:19:21 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:49 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:56 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:05 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:28:39 -!- sudarshans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:24 pulsating lumps noooooooooo 09:30:31 thus dies the dream of lumpy terence 09:31:23 aaaaand I'm over it. let's turn him into a jelly instead :) 09:31:39 gelatinous terence! clumsy acolyte of jiyva!! 09:31:43 but then he'd eat his weapon?! 09:31:54 well I said he was clumsy 09:31:59 You must have liked Cigotuvi's degeneration. 09:32:08 which was a pretty creepy spell if you think about it 09:32:56 basically crawl is incomplete as long as there exist human uniques other than sigmund 09:33:13 and edmund, I GUESS 09:33:49 make nikola a quantum mechanic instead of a human! 09:34:05 so what you're saying is that instead of the perfect crawl being a room with the orb of zot 09:34:12 it's actually a room with the orb of zot 09:34:15 and sigmund guarding it 09:34:22 was there ever any doubt? 09:35:13 Sigmund (08X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 65-103 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2765 | Sp: throw flame (3d9), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d5) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 09:35:13 %??orb guardian name:Sigmund n_rpl col:yellow spells:throw_flame;confuse;invisibility;magic_dart;.; 09:36:21 can orb guardians wield scythes 09:37:55 hill giant (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 40-76 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(44), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 658 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 09:37:55 %??Hill giant 09:38:06 I am glad to see beogh improvements 09:38:12 maybe if they spawn with them 09:38:17 wait, no 09:38:36 orc jesus playstyle is just a lot of damn fun without all the micromanagement 09:39:03 unknown monster: "torpor snails" 09:39:03 %??torpor snails 09:39:16 halp 09:40:04 And so Jesus proclaimed "tw! tw! tw!" But the apostles would not equip their armour, nor would they pick up their arms. 09:40:06 torpor snail (03w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 12 | HP: 63-80 | AC/EV: 10/1 | Dam: 30 | amphibious | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 357 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 09:40:06 %??torpor snail 09:40:08 duh 09:40:30 wheals: amazing 09:41:15 ??wensley of israel 09:41:15 I don't have a page labeled wensley_of_israel in my learndb. 09:41:21 :((( 09:42:40 -!- DiazepaN has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:43:55 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:44:13 rip 09:45:27 how do I do that learndb search thing 09:45:37 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46:09 ?/wensley 09:46:10 Matching terms (4): the_wensley_of_israel, wensley, wensley_reasons, wensleydale; entries (35): awfulplayers[2] | catoblepas[4] | cool[2] | devteam[11] | disaster_area[3] | erocrawl[4] | fanfiction[1] | game_design[2] | gflex[1] | literally[1] | optimism[1] | sif_muna_reasons[3] | the_wensley_of_israel[1] | the_wensley_of_israel[2] | wcrawl[11] | wensley[3] | wensley[5] | wensley[6] | wensley[9] |... 09:46:15 ??the wensley of israel 09:46:19 the wensley of israel[1/2]: (1/1) elliott said (about -275y 45w 4d 9h 35m 34s ago): WENSLEYar, O kings; give ear, O rulers! I — to WENSLEY, I will sing, I will sing praise to WENSLEY, the WENSLEY of Israel 09:46:20 oh it's still there 09:47:11 hahaha, oh right, I remember that 09:47:41 ??the wensley of israel[2 09:47:42 the wensley of israel[2/2]: _Boderik chants, "I shall fear no evil, for Wensley is my saviour." 09:48:01 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1759-g8093f27: Improve necrophage description. 10(60 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8093f27bdeaa 09:48:01 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1760-ga4838dc: Inscribe Wyrmbane with "slay drac." 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4838dc9d101 09:48:01 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1761-g7e837e5: Only Dithmenos can prevent forest fires! (#8624) 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e837e586be8 09:48:01 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1762-ga13f14e: Changelog tweaks. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a13f14e4cf0c 09:48:17 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:48:31 wheals says, "Only Dith can prevent forest fires!" 09:49:34 * wheals casts a spell. The great wave of water splashes into Grunt! 09:49:56 * Grunt shrugs off the wave. 09:50:40 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:52:00 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 Grunt: is stormgod giving duplicate relec a Good Feature 09:52:40 does replacing Khufu's summon demon with another smiting sound good 09:52:47 he seemed kind of samey to me 09:53:27 Khufu (04M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8802 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead, 04esc:t.doroklohe | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:53:27 %??Khufu 09:53:29 The "duplication" means you're not getting another resistance of some sort, which is the important part. 09:53:36 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 186-210 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6192 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:53:36 %??Greater mummy 09:53:37 compared to all the greater mummies and mummy priests, though he does have a different distribution if you look at mon-spll.h 09:54:01 The demon summoning bit is something that should be consistent across mummies, IMO, though that might be because I personally think none of them should have it. 09:54:06 revenant (10L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 67-96 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1926 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d23), ghostly flames, dispel undead (3d27), 04esc:blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:54:06 %??Revenant 09:54:38 maybe he should have some ghostly fire spells instead 09:54:43 i thought it would be a nice way to reference his description, which says he's on his way to godhood 09:54:44 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 09:54:50 hence daeva-level smiting 09:55:17 smite, smite, torment, ghostly fireball? 09:55:40 maybe beef him up a bit 09:56:05 (he's just barely beefier than a regular greater right now) 09:56:26 well, would beefing him up make him all that much more different? 09:56:55 very little 09:57:16 exactly 09:57:25 but it would give him more time to attack you though 09:57:46 Khufu (04M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6268 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead, 04esc:t.doroklohe | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:57:46 %??khufu hd:15 09:57:49 especially if his summons are replaced with offense 09:57:53 oh right 09:57:54 (give him haste other - have him haste his gmummy friends) 09:57:56 (muhahahahahaha) 09:58:03 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 199-232 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9435 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:58:03 %??greater mummy hd:18 09:58:06 evil grunt is evil 09:58:21 !learn add grunt evil grunt is evil 09:58:21 grunt[14/14]: evil grunt is evil 09:58:49 1learn add cheating corruption 09:59:10 I can't be bothered to clear/avoid this endvault so I'll just press ad instead 09:59:26 i want him to be more distinguished, but i also don't want him to be Tomb Lamia 09:59:47 !learn add Bloax http://i.imgur.com/pk9DWon.png 09:59:48 Bloax[1/1]: http://i.imgur.com/pk9DWon.png 10:01:03 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:01:34 -!- truemono has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02:22 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:34 Lamia (06M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7433 | Sp: o.destruction (9d16), mesmerise, haste, poison arrow (3d25), 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:02:34 %??khufu name:Lamia n_rpl col:magenta spells:orb_of_destruction;mesmerise;haste;poison_arrow;.;teleport_self 10:02:36 <_< 10:02:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:03:25 Lamia (06N) | Spd: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 18 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 40, 1203(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 04eats corpses, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 3976 | Sp: destruction orb (9d16), mesmerise, haste, poison arrow (3d25), 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: high. 10:03:25 %0.12?lamia 10:03:37 i like how it's almost literally the same 10:03:52 HP, resistances, melee <_< 10:03:53 the difference is just that lamia is a lair-branch unique 10:04:02 while khufu is usually an extended unique 10:04:18 yes there are reasons that lamia is dead 10:05:24 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:06:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:09:00 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:09:02 How tough is Khufu supposed to be, either way? 10:09:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:10:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:27 quite powerful 10:14:00 It's just that it makes me think of a certain someone. 10:14:08 Tiamat (16d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 380 | AC/EV: 39/20 | Dam: 60, 45 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(58), 02cold, 03poison | Vul: 11silver | XP: 9228 | Sp: b.lightning (3d25) / b.quicksilver (3d20) / cold breath (3d28) / fire breath (3d28) / poisonous cloud (3d13) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:14:08 %??Tiamat 10:14:28 a certain rare zot unique 10:18:21 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:09 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:41 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:32:46 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:37:32 !tell wheals uh, pretty bad i think? 50% chance of slaying seems absurd 10:37:32 MarvinPA: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:37:32 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:39:15 haha, I was off by one % 10:40:03 what about 30% slaying 50% randart 20% whatever 10:40:38 uh 10:40:52 jewellery acq is already good, and I already often use it when I've got decent armour 10:41:17 a small boost wouldn't hurt, probably but it doesn't need to be 50% slaying 10:41:21 !tell wheals maybe some weighting based on ring value would work but definitely nothing like that 10:41:22 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:43:55 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:50 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/24jewacq.png 10:45:27 not too bad 10:45:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140620030201]] 10:46:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:46:22 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:47:45 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:47:49 are you sure 10:48:38 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/24wandacq.png 10:49:10 Leda's Liquefaction has a misleading slow description. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 by Kvaak 10:50:25 hasting/healing wands are much better items than any of the jewellery i got 10:50:38 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 10:51:00 and boy are the chances of getting them better than the chances of getting a {clar, rC+} amulet 10:51:40 but if you have a character with a great weapon, good armor and both those wands - then yes, jewellery acquirement is okay 11:01:08 -!- DiazepaN has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:05:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:18 !messages 11:09:18 No messages for TZer0. 11:11:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:59 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 11:17:16 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17:45 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:08 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:25:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:55 -!- SamB__ is now known as SamB 11:29:05 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:42:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:42:49 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1763-g7df3b23: Make charmed range maintainers follow the player normally (and into). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7df3b236cd1e 11:43:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:39 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:45:14 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 11:48:32 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:48:33 -!- ChangeAj has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:27 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:53:29 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:47 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:57:29 -!- ckyle has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:04 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1764-g7a66f18: Fix a reference to Leda's slowing monster action speed (#8743) 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a66f18449dc 12:03:50 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:50 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:56 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 12:04:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:38 join ##crawl 12:05:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:51 ProzacElf: Ha, forgot the / 12:06:02 d'oh 12:06:17 maybe i just wanted to make an announcement =P 12:06:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:56 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:01 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [] 12:10:58 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:41 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1764-g7a66f18 (34) 12:14:50 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:19:56 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:16 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:30 -!- 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timeout: 255 seconds] 13:32:20 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:56 -!- CKyle__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39:27 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:32 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:02 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:50 what happened to cdo's page and the complete lack of links to anywhere 13:46:19 -!- DiazepaN has quit [Quit: DiazepaN] 13:46:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:37 simmarine: Hmm, let me check the Admin page. 13:58:55 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:11 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:00:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:01:55 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:02:40 !learn s pleasingfungus[2 short-term: remove consumables, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? 14:02:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:02:41 pleasingfungus[2/5]: short-term: remove consumables, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? 14:02:56 to choose a few completely at random 14:03:16 PleasingFungus: Is more slugs a joke? 14:03:20 no 14:03:26 oh fuck I forgot 14:03:37 !learn e pleasingfungus[2 s/$/ remove fun. 14:03:38 pleasingfungus[2/5]: short-term: remove consumables, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? remove fun. 14:03:53 idk how practical it is though 14:04:12 mm. actually one more 14:04:28 !learn e pleasingfungus[2 s/remove/no-backtracking god... and remove/ 14:04:29 pleasingfungus[2/5]: short-term: no-backtracking god... and remove consumables, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? remove fun. 14:04:33 fuck 14:04:51 !learn s pleasingfungus[2 short-term: remove consumables, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? no-backtracking god... and remove fun. 14:04:52 pleasingfungus[2/5]: short-term: remove consumables, bring lethal infusion back from the dead. later: moss removal, ORB ghosts, strategic items, new uniques? return of diamond obelisk? more slugs??? no-backtracking god... and remove fun. 14:04:54 there. 14:05:03 that's good for the next month or so. 14:06:12 So what idea would you have for these "new slugs"? 14:06:39 (I can't figure out the mysterious missing links on wordpress btw) 14:06:49 I tried adding a new link, but nothing looks wrong from the admin panel. 14:06:59 It's just the bug on the client side. 14:07:00 unknown monster: "orb slug" 14:07:00 %??orb slug 14:07:00 probably something involving a slime spit? I'd have to figure out a way to make that interesting and not bad, though. 14:07:06 orb beetle (06B) | Spd: 5 | HD: 20 | HP: 177-226 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 30 | !sil, 07vault | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1939 | Sp: o.destruction (9d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 14:07:06 %??orb beetle 14:07:16 add the slugs as a non-sprint monster imo 14:07:23 mm 14:07:28 make them just like orb spiders, but speed 5 14:07:43 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:49 wheals: Just make orb spiders speed 5. 14:07:55 that doesn't actually sound very dangerous 14:07:56 tbh 14:07:58 just run up to them and hit them 14:08:02 but the branch isn't named Slug 14:08:03 since orbs are shit at melee 14:08:10 yes, this is not serious 14:08:20 reaverb: not only are the links broken, the screenshot page is empty and so is the crawl art page 14:08:21 this is also a response to reaverb's orb spider suggestion 14:08:24 which is serious 14:08:28 if you want to improve orb spiders 14:08:28 Bloaxor: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:08:32 edlothiol: Oh, hmm. 14:08:39 how about making their balls dodgeable 14:08:42 !messages 14:08:42 (1/1) Lasty said (1w 3d 6h 29m 18s ago): Yeah, but I think you can overall manage to have fewer sacrifices if you start w/ amulet of faith, and that's not ideal. 14:08:46 Bloaxor: They are. 14:08:48 they are 14:08:55 barely 14:08:59 gonna be honest 14:09:05 my response to people who complain about orb spiders is 14:09:07 'be less bad' 14:09:10 and they still try to home in on you afterwards 14:09:40 try dodging them with chei then 14:09:56 PleasingFungus: I don't like orb spiders as-is because I've found forcing them into a corner to kill them is not very fun. 14:10:04 you can't because they home in on your slowpoke ass 14:10:39 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:10:50 reaverb: killing orb spiders in melee is -awful-, but they go down fast to a blowgun 14:10:50 and yes the chasing game is awful 14:10:59 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 14:11:04 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:11:13 Lasty: Hmm, maybe I should have tried a blowgun. 14:11:28 I only get to Spider like every six months so it isn't really easy for me to test <_< >_> 14:11:43 !lg . br.enter=spider 14:11:44 Unknown field: br.enter 14:11:55 What's that enter field? 14:12:20 !lm . br.enter=spider 14:12:21 17. [2014-06-24 02:10:43] Lasty the Spear-Bearer (L17 HuSu of Okawaru) entered the Spider Nest on turn 51179. (Lair:6) 14:12:31 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:36 1lg doesn't have br.enter 14:12:42 !lm . br.enter=spider 14:12:43 1. [2013-11-09 06:58:41] reaver the Imperceptible (L19 SpEn of Ashenzari) entered the Spider Nest on turn 87921. (Lair:6) 14:12:53 The other one was on smithgod_rebased. 14:13:00 !lm Bloax br.enter=spider 14:13:01 34. [2014-05-24 13:13:31] Bloax the Grappler (L14 VSTm of Cheibriados) entered the Spider Nest on turn 6714. (Lair:5) 14:13:02 A few days ago before a splatted. 14:13:22 reaverb: Is that a reflection of how often you play or how often you choose to skip spider? 14:13:23 Hmm, if the arts page is down than it's probably not a wordpress problem. 14:13:24 -!- Farcaster has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:13:36 Lasty: It's a reflection of me being a bad player. 14:13:40 Oh, haha 14:13:41 !lg . won 14:13:42 1. reaver the Skullcrusher (L27 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-03-21 21:52:11, with 1478612 points after 119962 turns and 12:00:04. 14:13:57 !lg . br.enter=Snake 14:13:58 Unknown field: br.enter 14:14:00 there are no screenshots 14:14:03 !lm . br.enter=Snake 14:14:04 7. [2014-05-25 20:49:37] reaver the Bludgeoner (L16 GrFi of Qazlal) entered the Snake Pit on turn 38228. (Lair:3) 14:14:15 hm 14:14:17 Also I've been randing into Snake a bit much I guess. 14:14:19 !lg Bloax won 14:14:20 12. Bloaxor the Slayer (L27 OgHu of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2014-05-04 00:58:28, with 5952376 points after 31082 turns and 5:43:07. 14:14:24 it's been a while 14:14:37 i had a very long streak of shoals + snake early this year 14:15:02 wheals: Well Swamp is awful so at least you got Shoals :D 14:15:13 !lm reaverb start date > 2014-01-01 14:15:14 No keyword 'start' 14:15:16 well, i kind of wanted to test swamp changes 14:15:24 !lm reaverb began date > 2014-01-01 14:15:25 No keyword '2014-01-01' 14:15:26 wheals: Oh, the new Forest changes? 14:15:32 this being right after the forest migration, yeah 14:15:37 wheals: Ah. 14:16:02 -!- Djedu06 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:03 !tell PleasingFungus What do you mean by "remove consumables"? 14:18:04 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 14:18:07 !lm Bloax br.enter=lair 14:18:11 !lg reaverb start > 2014-01-01 14:18:11 119. [2014-06-19 02:25:18] Bloax the Changer (L8 MfTm of Cheibriados) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 1766. (D:8) 14:18:12 No keyword '2014-01-01' 14:18:17 haha 14:18:19 that game 14:18:37 -!- hurdos has quit [Client Quit] 14:19:06 Lightli: probably compensating for item destruction 14:19:09 Lasty: Don't put spaces around > 14:19:14 greensnark: ty 14:19:25 !lg reaverb start>2014-01-01 14:19:26 78. reaver the Ruinous (L4 DrCj), slain by Terence (a +0 flail) on D:1 on 2014-06-22 15:52:46, with 84 points after 2858 turns and 0:14:40. 14:19:50 oh 14:19:51 Lightli: wheals is correct 14:19:52 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:19:56 ok 14:19:58 Is 78 a lot or a little? 14:19:59 sometimes I phrase myself in a purposefully misleading way 14:20:07 !lg Lasty start>2014-01-01 14:20:08 86. Lasty the Practitioner (L5 KoHe of Elyvilon), blasted by a hobgoblin (wand of cold) on D:3 on 2014-06-22 21:44:15, with 98 points after 3205 turns and 0:14:02. 14:20:14 !lg . start>2014-01-01 14:20:15 200. PleasingFungus the Ruinous (L6 GrAE), mangled by an ogre (a +0,+0 giant club) on D:5 on 2014-06-02 14:38:44, with 307 points after 4215 turns and 0:13:29. 14:20:21 Also I've been player experimental branches a lot. 14:20:22 I was playing quite a lot, though 14:20:54 Lasty: Haven't gotten a Ru character online long enugh to actually see Ru's powers though. :( 14:21:00 !lg grunt start>2014-01-01 14:21:01 109. SGrunt the Fencer (L17 FoFi of Zin), blasted by a purple draconian (bolt of dispelling energy) in WizLab (wizlab_iskenderun) on 2014-06-10 02:51:55, with 136606 points after 36755 turns and 1:45:25. 14:21:04 it's Iashol, not Ru 14:21:16 Unless the name changed when I wasn't looking 14:21:33 Lightli: It was decided the name should be change while you weren't looking <_< 14:21:37 oh 14:21:41 that makes sense then 14:21:50 by consumables does this mean fewer enchant armor/weapon scrolls, or just "don't die" tools like blinking and heal wounds potions 14:21:51 It hasn't actually happened yet. >_> 14:21:57 Just don't die. 14:23:04 mainly tactical tools, I think, yes 14:23:18 Should I !tell Nap kin about the standard crawl site problems? 14:23:29 yes, probably 14:23:36 Err, like the borken links / lost art /etc. 14:24:00 reaverb: man, really? It's pretty hard to die with the version that's currently active on CSZO 14:24:02 also, I guess maybe reply to that blog comment so they know someone could reproduce the issue? 14:24:22 Lasty: Like "Can't even make it long enough to see a Ru altar" 14:24:28 oh, fair enough :D 14:24:55 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:24:57 The Iashol > Ru name swap hasn't actually been performed, but even if it had, you wouldn't see it -- we're behind by about 9 commits right now 14:25:31 !tell Napkin There are some odd problems with http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/ Most of the links on the sidebar are gone, and the art page is blank. 14:25:33 reaverb: OK, I'll let napkin know. 14:25:52 Probaby should have 1told that so people can tell me what I messed up, oh well. 14:26:08 Btw: |amethyst has been busy lately -- is there anyone else who feels inclined to merge in some sacrifice god patches and get the experimental branch on CSZO up to date? :D :D 14:26:11 nah that's fine 14:26:15 ouch 14:26:15 Napkin: You have 19 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:26:19 how did you do that? 14:26:22 Napkin: Ha, hello. 14:26:24 1learn add source <+PleasingFungus> sometimes I phrase myself in a purposefully misleading way 14:27:05 what do you mean 1learn 14:27:07 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27:12 PF should probably get that tattooed on his forehead 14:27:19 dang.... 14:27:40 right under "poor impulse control" 14:27:51 anyway, clearly it's not appropriate for source; I haven't been along for nearly enough time to really make my mark on the codebase! 14:28:22 Lasty: I'll try if you show me the branch, I can't guarenette anything though. >_> 14:28:29 the chances of you making a mark on the codebase are one in a million! 14:28:44 speaking of rotting things 14:28:47 http://sprunge.us/RKgN?diff 14:29:09 *rotten 14:29:12 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:29:29 yeah. with the simulac/sublimation changes, there's literally no reason for that mechanic to stick around 14:29:43 -!- DrKe has quit [] 14:29:44 wheals: Looks good, of course I'll probably have to merge that into chunkless. 14:29:57 I guess an excuse to merge master into chunkless is a good thing. 14:29:58 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:10 Currently there are no conflicts. 14:30:16 i'm surprised chunkless even has corpse_effect_type 14:31:19 wheals: Making sure the gameplay works first is a higher priority right now than cleaning up everything made redundant by the chang. 14:31:20 well, it still has chunks, right? 14:31:23 I forget 14:31:37 * wheals shrugs. 14:31:49 * PleasingFungus counter-shrugs. 14:32:45 now for the most important change: does the learndb entry with the racist restaurateur still exist 14:33:02 reaverb: Thank you! https://gitorious.org/crawl/lastys-crawl/source/d7b1a2afb9ea07fc6a50e61b59c7c1b8235a36df: 14:33:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33:48 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:33:49 reaverb: all the commits since Neil Moore's last commit need to be moved over. 14:33:53 with the what 14:33:54 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:56 wheals: Yes, that's a good canidate for my idea for a funny_jokes_made_outdated_by_trunk_changes entry. 14:34:05 idea. 14:34:16 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:22 ??trunk[2 14:36:22 trunk[2/3]: learndb jargon for "that version that's trunk when I wrote this two years ago, naturally you automatically know which one that is. Duh." 14:37:18 -!- sudarshans has quit [Client Quit] 14:39:37 <|amethyst> even without chunks, you still need corpse_effect_type for a few things 14:39:48 <|amethyst> vampire feeding for one 14:39:51 <|amethyst> and ignite poison 14:39:57 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:11 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:12 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:12 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:13 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:13 -!- ldlework has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:13 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:14 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:14 -!- Makrond has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:14 -!- rubinko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:25 gammafunk, do you think that making all contam corpses clean would have much of an effect? thinking you might have an opinion since HEIE^sif does notice food a bit 14:43:55 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44:54 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:16 it'd be a pretty big change for e.g. deep troll packs (depths, vaults) 14:45:55 yeah, i suppose some places are contam corpse heavy, most notably orc 14:46:01 but at the same time orc has a ton of corpses 14:46:11 and deep troll corpses are big, too 14:46:12 well deep trolls sort of drop a lot of chunks 14:46:28 Even orcs can drop up to 4 14:46:29 i find it hard to imagine it would be noticeable anywhere except maybe orc 14:47:33 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:54 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: poop] 14:48:08 -!- popx has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:48:33 maybe spider more, since spiders are smaller, but there are a lot of dudes in spider too 14:49:22 wheals: looks like D/Depths would have about 50% more nutrition from monsters as a result 14:49:39 interesting, did you apply and run objstat? 14:49:39 Of course all that needs to be done is to maybe nerf the chunk numbers of formerly contaim corpses. 14:49:46 idk. I can actually seeing it being relevant in spider 14:49:54 wheals: yeah just looks at the TotalNormNutr vs TotalGourmNutr 14:49:55 since there aren't that many chunks there, actually 14:49:58 in the spreadsheet 14:50:04 oh, right 14:50:06 and they're nearly all contam 14:50:18 <|amethyst> reaverb: That affects balance of some other things though 14:50:22 There's probably some tool which can automatically change those numbers, no idea what it is. 14:50:35 ofc, even if it's "relevant" that doesn't mean it matters overall 14:50:39 of course, that may not be a problem; it's not like like the other lair branches are short of food 14:50:45 <|amethyst> reaverb: simulacrum and knockback for example 14:50:50 (it may not be a problem for spider to suddenly be more food-ful) 14:50:52 across the entire dungeon, it'd go from 5.63M nutrition to 7.93M 14:51:03 (nutritious) 14:51:11 gammafunk: what's the spider count? 14:51:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that ignores spawns, right? 14:51:46 <|amethyst> gammafunk: (not that including spawns would change the distribution much) 14:51:49 |amethyst: Oh, yes. 14:51:54 |amethyst: yeah 14:53:23 spiders goes from 227k to 393k 14:53:35 nice 14:53:41 how's that compare to the other lair branches? 14:53:42 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:53:44 dang, almost everything is contam i guess 14:53:51 PleasingFungus: check the spreadsheet :) 14:53:53 o 14:53:57 ??food nsa 14:53:57 I don't remember where it is 14:53:57 food NSA[1/1]: total nutrition consumed over the game, breakdown of what nurtition was spent on (spells, abilities, time, etc), rations found, rations consumed 14:54:00 ??objstat 14:54:01 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a full debug build of crawl ("make debug") to generate item/monster statistics by level/branch; see crawl -help for details 14:54:03 ??objstat[2 14:54:03 objstat[2/2]: Latest statistics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10fNR1JApV-AyF6vdv-g3S3FUUzSSIrUu3OTMWMEoaaA/edit#gid=681767829 14:55:00 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:55:42 snake goes from 800k to 800k 14:56:06 anaconda (15S) | Spd: 18 | HD: 11 | HP: 44-77 | AC/EV: 4/16 | Dam: 603(constrict), 20 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(44), 12drown | XP: 925 | Sz: Large | Int: reptile. 14:56:06 %??anaconda 14:56:19 swamp goes from 240k to 350k 14:56:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:57:28 and I don't see the relevant stats for shoals? 14:57:31 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:58:05 shoals aren't done remember? 14:58:13 crypt goes from 21k to 38k! 14:58:23 dang...... 14:58:45 In any case i don't think annoying players less in spider is necessarily a bad thing. >_> <_< 14:59:06 mm. it's more that it seems reasonable to me that there should be a bit less of a nutrition gap between snake & spider 15:00:26 shoals should have a sheet 15:00:29 did I forget to include it 15:00:37 it has a sheet, it just seems to be missing columns 15:00:39 idk 15:00:43 could be a gdocs glitch 15:00:53 oh, are you sure, check that the column isn't just wide 15:00:55 it does that 15:01:15 aha 15:01:29 Anybody see a problem with this page: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/screenshots 15:01:46 ok, yeah, you're right 15:01:55 so shoals goes from 260k to 400k, which is... lower than I'd expect 15:01:59 interesting that snake is so nutritious 15:02:00 yeah, that's the annoying part about including all of these tables in one sheet 15:02:12 yeah, Nagas leave a lot of chunks 15:02:18 since they have large corpses 15:02:19 delicious nagas........ 15:02:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:02:32 and they're even clean chunks if you're rpois 15:02:34 reaverb: looks good? 15:02:48 PleasingFungus, well 260 to 400 is fairly near the max possible 15:02:55 or, i guess not 15:03:07 i guess griffons/hippogriffs/fish are fairly common??? 15:03:12 PleasingFungus: Ok, thanks. 15:03:14 rip fish 15:03:14 rip 15:03:25 oh right, centaurs 15:03:29 that would be part 15:03:35 and cyclopes 15:04:11 nice, shoals:1 has 0.01 stone giants 15:04:21 good 15:04:35 !tell ontoclasm Gonna have to update your Depths screenshot on the wordpress page! 15:04:36 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 15:05:04 Pleasingfungus: for new tiles? 15:05:09 probably also some frost giants 15:05:13 from that one giant vault 15:05:17 reaverb: the new shadow effects 15:05:34 Well, the bigger problem might be the Hall of Blades screenshot... 15:08:24 it's a super secret area, now! 15:08:37 only pro haxx0rz can enter the Hall of Blades 15:08:57 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:09:35 you need to have played enough games to access it 15:09:39 !gamesby logicninja 15:09:40 logicninja has played 8983 games, between 2012-01-23 00:47:53 and 2014-06-27 20:03:16, won 8 (0.1%), high score 10981716, total score 102435647, total turns 39640232, play-time/day 1:55:39, total time 71d+5:42:53. 15:10:13 !lg * s=name ?:>8982 15:10:14 Broken query near '>8982' 15:10:19 !lg * s=name ?:N>8982 15:10:23 238375 games for *: 105328x Sebi, 21894x Meow, 19173x syban, 12372x TGW, 11492x heteroy, 11351x dscm, 10453x KiloByte, 9959x adamzap, 9185x Neil, 9117x pigah, 9068x Xiberia, 8983x LogicNinja 15:10:29 fuckin sebi 15:10:32 !gamesby meow 15:10:33 meow has played 21894 games, between 2007-10-31 06:44:24 and 2014-05-09 12:08:02, won 2 (0.0%), high score 7203896, total score 20495016, total turns 7111405, play-time/day 0:17:59, total time 29d+18:26:12. 15:10:41 looks like |amethyst knows how to enter Blade too! 15:10:42 holy shit 15:11:05 !won meow !boring 15:11:06 meow (!boring) has won twice in 921 games (0.22%): 1xHECr 1xMfWz 15:11:11 ahh. 15:11:22 that is a lot of quits 15:11:34 !lg . boring 15:11:34 376. wheals the Sneak (L3 NaWz), quit the game on D:2 on 2014-05-26 19:38:35, with 23 points after 1484 turns and 0:02:27. 15:11:41 hahaha 15:11:58 Improve 2 related layouts and add in more branches. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 by infiniplex 15:12:00 !lg * boring max=xl 15:12:01 599836. uru the Farming Swordmaster (L27 HEAs of Okawaru), got out of the dungeon with 6 runes on 2008-02-24 21:35:48, with 1322744 points after 232823 turns and 1d+12:04:38. 15:12:10 cratecrawl 15:12:13 !lg * boring max=xl recent 15:12:15 97552. Sedris the Conqueror (L27 DsFi of Trog), quit the game on Abyss:1 on 2013-09-25 20:20:07, with 715624 points after 120029 turns and 18:17:48. 15:13:54 76% of my games end between d:1 and d:7 15:14:02 sounds pretty typical 15:14:09 well 15:14:10 the turncount isn't typical though 15:14:11 better than average 15:14:43 !tv * br=trove 15:14:45 4. HeartlessHidetsugu, XL27 OgBe, T:95108 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 15:14:57 oops 15:16:49 190/590/1120/1420/2250/2920/3530 turns for d:1-7 deaths 15:16:51 on average 15:18:28 340/1440/2420/3340/5540/5800/7190 turns for d:1-7 deaths on average for all games 15:18:43 pretty funny how it stays around 50% the entire time 15:21:38 -!- rbrrk has quit [Changing host] 15:23:22 !lg . ktype=quit 15:23:23 374. gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on Swamp:5 on 2014-06-17 04:44:53, with 24888 points after 11162 turns and 1:46:10. 15:23:28 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:31 nothing like a good quit 15:24:08 That'll show that Swamp rune. You didn't even want it anyway. 15:24:13 !hs * quit 15:24:14 341342. megane the Farming Swordmaster (L27 MDPa of The Shining One), quit the game in Hell on 2007-04-30 18:02:51, with 1821102 points after 221091 turns and 23:02:06. 15:24:22 aw 15:24:30 Lasty: Quitting spooks learny real good 15:24:31 i guess low turncount doesn't help if you don't win 15:24:36 !hs * place=d:1 15:24:37 950553. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34. 15:25:00 !hs * place=zot:5 15:25:01 2692. Jovan the Halberdier (L27 MfGl of The Shining One), mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 on 2007-12-06 20:04:07, with 3029610 points after 192476 turns and 1d+13:25:04. 15:25:04 gammafunk: Hmm, why did you quit that? Were you going to lose? 15:25:14 reaverb: in a sense I was going to lose 15:25:23 !hs * HE-- -2 15:25:24 171561/171562. PurpleRed the Archmage (L27 HEFE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-12-06 11:45:57, with 29901737 points after 49425 turns and 22:07:26. 15:25:26 he lost by a single turn 15:25:31 is what I was trying to beat at the time 15:25:40 !hs * HE 15:25:41 HE is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use HE-- (High Elf) or --HE (Healer) to disambiguate 15:25:45 !hs * HE-- 15:25:45 ewps 15:25:45 171562. PurpleRed the Elven Blade (L27 HESk of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-23 09:48:31, with 37104810 points after 39325 turns and 15:43:48. 15:26:00 dang 15:26:15 quite beatable, although I'll switch to HESu 15:26:16 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:26:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:26:20 when I have time to play crawl again 15:26:27 gamafunk: Still slightly confused, were you just falling to far behind on turncount? 15:26:58 reaverb: I was exactly one turn behind when I quit :) 15:27:30 if you compare that HEFE of purplered and mine 15:27:53 finally acknowledged that HEIE is awful, huh? 15:27:54 it's all the fault of that silly lemmuel vault (and me) 15:28:08 and IE awful? surely you jest 15:30:24 IE is the Gr of backgrounds. No, that's not right -- Be is the Gr of backgrounds. IE is the Sp of backgrounds. 15:30:29 then you should get the HE highscore on HEIE 15:30:48 Is the Labyrinth a cubic maze algorithm? 15:30:52 Be is the Mi of backgrounds. 15:30:54 but yeah, IE is good, this DgWn i'm playing right now is good because of book of frost 15:30:55 -!- archaeo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:21 because minotaurs are stronger than most gargoyles 15:31:27 I mean how it's spawned? 15:31:51 Bloaxor: Is that true? 15:31:59 I generally don't play either one 15:32:01 ??starting stats[ 15:32:02 I don't have a page labeled starting stats[ in my learndb. 15:32:03 ??starting stats[2 15:32:03 starting stats[2/3]: Ce 10,7,4 | DD 11,8,8 | DE 5,12,10 | Dg 11,12,11 | Dr 10,8,6 | Ds 8,9,8 | Fe 4,9,11 | Fo 12,7,6 | Gh 11,3,4 | Gr 11,8,5 | Ha 8,7,9 | HE 7,11,10 | HO 10,8,6 | Hu 8,8,8 | Ko 6,6,11 | Mf 8,7,9 | Mi 12,5,5 | Mu 11,7,7 | Na 10,8,6 | Og 12,7,5 | Op 7,10,7 | Sp 4,9,11 | Te 8,8,9 | Tr 15,4,5 | Vp 7,10,9 | VS 10,8,9 15:32:08 Re is the Dj of backgrounds 15:32:16 MiMo^Chei is an absolute powerhouse. 15:32:19 or maybe the Lo 15:32:20 GrMo^Chei is more splatprone. 15:32:28 !lg * Mi / won 15:32:29 1833/201616 games for * (Mi): N=1833/201616 (0.91%) 15:32:34 does that make reaverb the djinni of people on ##crawl-dev 15:32:34 !lg * Gr / won 15:32:36 874/71311 games for * (Gr): N=874/71311 (1.23%) 15:32:48 gr are more forgiving 15:32:54 but mi are more powerful 15:32:55 HeWz^Chei is the best Chei. 15:33:03 DE* 15:33:03 wheals: The djinnib of people on ##crawl-dev 15:33:10 right 15:33:33 In the end it has to come down to free AC plus some trivial resists versus high HP and slightly better apts. 15:33:42 !apts de 15:33:44 I'm not sure who wins that comparison 15:33:50 !apt de 15:33:50 DE: Fighting: -2*, Short: 0, Long: -1, Axes: -2, Maces: -3*, Polearms: -3*, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 1, Xbows: -1, Throw: 1, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 3, Shields: -2, UC: -2*, Splcast: 3!, Conj: 1, Hexes: 3, Charms: 4!, Summ: 1, Nec: 2!, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 1, Ice: 1, Air: 0, Earth: 1, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 2, Exp: -1, HP: -2, MP: 3! 15:33:53 !apt he 15:33:54 HE: Fighting: 0, Short: 2, Long: 2!, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: -2, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 3!, Xbows: 0, Throw: 1, Armour: -1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 2, Shields: -1, UC: -2*, Splcast: 1, Conj: 1, Hexes: 0, Charms: 2, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 2, Earth: -2, Poison: -2, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: -1, HP: -1, MP: 2 15:34:05 mi have better melee apts and much, much worse spellcasting apts. 15:34:29 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 15:34:52 I'd still go with HE; mostly, good enough non-magic apts. to get use of STR and DEX more. 15:35:10 Well, we're talking about the species equivalent of Be, so that does lean towards Mi 15:35:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:13 PleasingFungus: You don't particularly need spells when you're absolutely destroying the game. 15:38:49 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:11 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:16 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47:02 %git iashol 15:48:21 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1552-gb25dd5c: Don't count Iashol sacrifices for Ds silver damage. 10(8 days ago, 3 files, 26+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b25dd5c88db3 15:48:21 woo 15:48:21 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:48:21 :D 15:48:21 Not quite yet. 15:48:35 But you're working on it. :D 15:48:44 That alone is worth a woo. 15:48:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:50:26 Lasty: Err, commit d2031d94de6e3 appears to check in merge indicators. 15:51:04 !send reaverb >>>> 15:51:05 Sending >>>> to reaverb. 15:51:58 >>>>_>>>> 15:52:29 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:29 -!- sherwoodinc has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:29 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [*.net *.split] 15:52:29 -!- kunwon1 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:54:27 Lasty: Yes, the current version of your branch doesn't compile. <_< 15:54:39 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:26 Hmm, that's for diffferant reasons than the left in merge indicators.... 15:55:36 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:55:41 should program in brainfuck so that the merge indicators are valid syntax 15:56:29 Hmm, actually maybe I missed the merge indicators being removed.. 15:56:58 Yes I did, hmm. 15:58:08 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 15:59:11 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:03 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:15 Lasty: I can't really tell how to resolve these commits... you might want to clean up and rewrite history on your branch. 16:00:46 -!- flueg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:09 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:06:01 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:38 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:21 -!- CSDCS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:11:51 reaverb: hrm, it doesn't compile from checkout? 16:11:52 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:52 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:52 -!- tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:53 -!- tollymain_ is now known as tollymain 16:11:56 -!- Lprsti99___ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:56 -!- Farcaster has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:57 -!- Lprsti99____ is now known as Lprsti99___ 16:12:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:17 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:12:43 gammafunk: Lasty's branch? Yeah. 16:12:50 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:09 There was a missing semicolon from what I can tell 16:13:29 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:14:21 Anyway I'm thinking of cherry-picking a few commits into the Iashol branch. 16:14:36 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:40 hrm, is Lasty not compiling his branch regularly :) 16:15:55 Lasty: Bad Lasty! Bad! 16:16:05 gammafunk: Lasty doesn't appear to be here... 16:16:10 !seen Lasty 16:16:10 I last saw Lasty at Fri Jun 27 20:48:44 2014 UTC (27m 26s ago) saying 'That alone is worth a woo.' on ##crawl-dev. 16:16:16 reaverb: his name is completeing 16:16:34 he's just not paying attention atm 16:16:48 although now that I think of it, I don'tknow the command to just print the channel list 16:17:19 Yes, I know he's connected to the channel but that doesn't mean much if he's not listening >_> 16:17:21 oh well. 16:18:52 reaverb: well I mean, it's not like you can ever know if anyone is ever paying attention at a given moment. Many people have audio pings that activate when their nick is printed 16:19:00 so maybe it would grab his attention! 16:19:12 I'll just say Lasty over and over like an incantation untill he appears 16:19:51 Sent in some Lasty. 16:20:03 gammafunk gammafunk gammafunk 16:20:11 gammafunk: Well we've pinghim like 12 times by now. 16:20:17 * gammafunk casts a spell. PleasingFungus dissappears in a puff of smoke 16:20:17 /nick bloody mary 16:20:24 reaverb: 13th time is the lucky charm 16:20:41 so, did we reach a consensus about contaminated chunks 16:20:49 gammafunk: Also I have audio pings, I remember once I was almost defined because I forgot I had them... 16:21:36 wheals: I would be find if you just pushed it, some people mentioned being concerned about its effects in Spider/Orc, but I'm not sure if they felt that strongly enough to want you to not push that patch. 16:21:56 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:00 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:01 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:15 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:22:18 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 16:22:55 reaverb, well of course YOU'd be ok :P 16:23:12 reaverb is okay with removing a thing??????????? 16:23:32 I think wheals was talking about chunkless. 16:23:47 oh, i actually did mean to master 16:23:52 wheals: honestly I'm fine with it; it does increase nutrition levels in some areas, but in acceptable ways 16:24:41 wheals: Oh, no I mean I thought you were refering to chunkless with "well of course YOU'd be ok :P" 16:24:51 I'm fine with pushing this to master. 16:24:53 we could always end up slightly decreasing the nutrition of non-contaminated chunks, I guess......... that's a bad idea though :( 16:25:08 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:25:38 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Client Quit] 16:25:39 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:55 -!- |amethyst has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:25:59 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 16:26:04 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:12 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:31 -!- greensna1k has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:47 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Client Quit] 16:26:53 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:57 -!- st_ has quit [] 16:29:24 -!- Slowpoke_Man has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:08 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1766-g0ee8742: Decontaminate all chunks. 10(5 hours ago, 7 files, 207+ 288-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ee874285754 16:30:12 !learn e wheals[2] s/s,.*/s 16:30:12 wheals[2/4]: todo: fix ghost speed, tunneling worms 16:30:30 are you bringing back rock worms 16:30:30 minmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:30:44 no 16:30:55 but if you really miss them that much... 16:31:43 -!- Farcaster has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- kunwon1 has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- sherwoodinc has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- Ququman has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- somebody1 has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- ystael has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- dtsund has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:43 -!- Bloaxor has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:44 -!- Hailley has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:44 -!- Goncyn has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:44 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:44 -!- Sonata has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:44 -!- atrodo has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- ccasin has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- tholmes has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- Bodrick has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- cosh has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:45 -!- bd has quit [*.net *.split] 16:31:49 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:58 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 16:33:36 wheals: quantum worms that tunnel 16:34:12 that would just be passwall, really 16:34:21 ...maybe that's what player passwall is! 16:34:30 -!- Bodrick has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:40 attuning to the rock is just fiddling with your quantum gizmo machine 16:34:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:35:20 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:35 !messages 16:35:35 (1/1) wheals said (8h 3m 28s ago): probably report staff melee on mantis unless grunt fixes it first 16:35:41 gammafunk: I am compiling each commit, but admittedly my dev process is a little goofy: I commit in one git branch and then port the patch to the lasty branch . . . 16:36:46 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:07 reaverb: sorry, I was heading home while you were trying to get my attention 16:37:23 reaverb: I'm surprised to hear that it's not working -- lemme look into it and fix it up as needed 16:37:39 Lasty1: that sort of ruins the whole "compile each commit" thing 16:37:43 and also those are different commits 16:38:17 you can't have the same commit with two different histories, or if you do, well, it's time to switch to a new hash 16:38:27 -!- zeia has quit [Client Quit] 16:38:29 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:33 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:15 Right, so the definitive hashes are the ones in the lasty_iashol branch, but the code should be the same so I thought the compile would still be valid, but apparenty something is off 16:41:17 Lasty1: The very first commit where it diverges has conflicts, I think you fixed them when you merged master though. 16:41:38 Lasty1: why are you commiting in one branch and porting to another? 16:42:12 Also ^ 16:42:35 -!- Slowpoke_Man is now known as BlastHardcheese 16:43:20 if you're maintaining a iashol_rebased or something I could understand, but then the direction should be the reverse really 16:43:21 gammafunk: stupid reasons: when I clpned the lasty-crawl repo, I tried to compile master w/o making any changes. I tried several times, but it keeps hanging on images. 16:44:19 gammafunk: Instead of wasting more hours on it, I kept developing on my old branch and then patching the new repo, because there were bugs that needed a quick fix 16:44:38 It seemed like it was working well enough, so I kept on with it 16:44:46 -!- ChangeAj has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:44:51 hrm, well yeah I'd recommend basing your work off of the iashol branch in crawl's repo 16:45:08 since that what your users are play-testing and others here can make commits 16:45:38 Well, now that it's starting to cause problems, I will do that 16:46:16 Hopefully it won't take me too long to figure out why it hangs when trying to compile certain images. :-\ 16:46:37 Lasty1: I can probably cherry-pick some of the commits as-is, like possibly the NO_LOVE & SUMMONING one. 16:46:47 and that doesn't happen on your "special" iashol branch? 16:47:03 nope 16:47:06 althought I'm slightly confused ... Does taking the sarcrifice summoning reduce your piety if you already have love? 16:48:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48:53 Oh, hmm, that's part of sac arcana so I imagine it reduce piety gained from the arcana sac, correct? 16:48:58 reaverb: no; it's one third of a sacrifice that normally gives 25 piety + piety based in the skill you already invested in the three skills; if one is summoning and you have sac love, it subtracts 1/3 of the initial bonus piety, since 1/3 of the sacrifice is no sacrifice 16:49:00 yes 16:49:18 Lasty1: Ah, hmm. 16:50:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:42 the friendly commit has a couple of problem, like missing a ! for !mons->friendly() and being tied up in increasting the deflection chance. 16:52:05 The debugging change revert should be squashed into the first commit <_< >_> 16:52:30 The NO_LOVE daction commit works fine, I'll probably push that too. 16:52:49 -!- Flun has quit [Client Quit] 16:54:11 Oh, just realized the ability fail_check() thing is going to be hard to merge into the two god branches I'm helping maintain.... 16:54:23 uh oh :( 16:54:36 Lasty1: Is there a way to debug sacrifices in wiz mode? 16:55:52 The crude way is to change the piety timer in religion.cc from >= 70 to >= 0. The even cruder way is to start monks until one gets the sacrifice you want as the initial sacrifice. There's no wiz mode command to trigger a sacrifice tho 16:55:52 I should probably add one 16:56:11 if you can set properties in wiz mode, you can set the iashol sac timer property to 70 16:56:19 -!- Kadoba has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:33 Lasty1: I don't think you can set props, Might be a good idea to add such a method though. 16:56:41 oh 16:56:44 reaverb 16:57:27 lobf: Yes I'm here, you only really need to ping me via. one method. 16:59:01 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:16 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05:17 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:47 so funny story: that time trying to compile crashed my computer. 17:06:37 dang...... 17:06:44 sacrifice cpu? 17:07:01 Lasty1: Ha. 17:07:08 Where's my enhanced powers? :p 17:07:52 -!- Werehuman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:57 and to be clear, not compiling Iashol, just compiling Crawl master 17:10:12 Lasty1: are you on windows/msys? 17:10:15 yes 17:10:18 figures 17:10:22 yep 17:11:07 what I don't get is why compilig crawl master from the official repo works fine and from my cloned repo explodes 17:11:24 <|amethyst> same commit hash? 17:11:50 Probably not 17:12:17 It hangs on things like GEN tiledef-floor.h 17:12:23 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:46 maybe I should try w/o tiles 17:13:51 Lasty1: Yes, also console compiles faster. 17:13:59 I use it for testing but not anything else. 17:14:18 normally crawl-ref/source/rltiles doesn't take more than 10-20 min, right? 17:14:53 <|amethyst> ASCII build will generate those anyway 17:14:54 <|amethyst> right 17:15:13 <|amethyst> these two checkouts 17:15:19 <|amethyst> are they under the same directory? 17:15:36 no 17:15:43 <|amethyst> where are they? 17:15:47 except at the very top level 17:16:08 one is d:/crawl and the other is d:/lastys-crawl 17:16:14 <|amethyst> oh, that shouldn't make a difference then 17:16:27 <|amethyst> I was thinking maybe one was being virtualised because of UAC and the other one not 17:16:43 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 17:17:47 What's hte best way to update my crawl copy to the current crawl master? 17:17:51 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-1766-g0ee8742 (34) 17:17:58 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:08 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:12 Lasty1: git pull ? 17:19:57 I need to set the source to crawl first, right? 17:20:38 ah, that looks like its working 17:22:16 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22:30 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:24 -!- somebody2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:28:34 Fresh pull + no tiles is working way, way better 17:30:11 Lasty1: Good. 17:30:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:31:20 Lasty1: (Also I noticed a couple other places where there are oddities with the history.) 17:32:02 (Like where you say you've chaning the beam type of Ru abilities to BEAM_ENERGY, only to miss one and then silently fix it later) 17:32:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:32:12 Really?! 17:32:17 -!- Frankie_001 has quit [Client Quit] 17:32:24 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:39 Yes, 10c56d677e74 and it's parent. 17:32:43 have that problem. 17:33:04 There were a couple times when I accidentally merged two commits and then tried to sort them back out with reset -> add -p, but apparently I did it badly 17:33:15 -!- Galewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:50 Yes, I was going to cherry-pick the beam change but now I would have untangle those two commits... 17:33:55 Ever see this error? icon.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized 17:34:11 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:17 Before I waste any more of your time, let me sort this out . . . Sorry. :( 17:34:24 Lasty1: Sure. 17:34:46 I don't know if I should push the Piety reduction commit. 17:34:51 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:35:03 Since it's means you have the rewrite history more and it's not urgent. 17:35:11 yeah 17:35:12 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:16 maybe give it a miss for now 17:35:40 Ok, I think I'll do that. 17:35:51 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:35:53 Good luck with fixing up the history/code. 17:36:01 thanks 17:36:05 sorry for the errors 17:36:14 It's ok. 17:36:25 Vaults: overflow vaults, tomb subvaults, and other vaults 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8745 by nicolae 17:36:54 Lasty1: Maybe make a new branch when you have 4-5 commits done well and link me to that. 17:37:28 vaultpile.des 17:37:34 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:38:08 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 17:38:12 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:38:35 Ha, yeah. 17:38:39 Those vaults look good. 17:39:28 reaverb: I'm going to try to fix the whole set up before I poke you again 17:40:18 Lasty1: Well, it's better to get feedback more often. 17:40:31 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 17:40:42 If I had looked at those earlier the problems would have been noticed earlier. 17:40:55 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:29 true, but at the same time, I'd rather fix all the problems I know about than give you something that's not complete 17:43:49 Lasty1: One minor thing....this isn't a big issue but you might want to try generalizing some things. 17:44:29 For example, I mentioned 5e60379f3c9 is missing a ! which means that it won't work correctly. 17:44:45 (!) mon->friendly() 17:44:51 yeah 17:45:44 If the (you_worship(GOD_IASHOL) && you.piety >= piety_breakpoint(1) && !mon->friendly()) was wrapped in a function that wouldn't have happened :D 17:46:49 True. 17:46:57 I'll do it! 17:47:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:56 hrm, NSUBST: ' = _ / . 17:49:14 that probably works, but I do not like that syntax one bit 17:50:03 I guess it's ok, since it's just an NSUBST thing 17:50:16 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:45 Does stasis prevent you from using shadow step? 17:51:11 don't think so, no 17:51:27 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:51:32 oh good, tomb subvaults 17:54:05 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:22 need to remove the extra floor padding from some of these 17:58:23 Is there a way to rewind head such that I can rebase -i commits that are already pushed? 17:59:19 Lasty1: you can just rebase -i 17:59:32 are you going to do a force push afterwards? 18:00:28 gammafunk: sweet. Force push is the idea, yeah. 18:02:08 (unless that's bad for some reason) 18:03:31 -!- category has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:03:45 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:46 -!- Kramin has left ##crawl-dev 18:05:09 oh, well it depends on whether others are working on the branch 18:05:24 I'm not sure what's been done with iashol 18:05:29 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:05:40 (if that's the branch specifically you'll be force pushing) 18:06:09 -!- njorth has quit [Client Quit] 18:06:41 AFAIK I'm the only one working on it 18:06:51 and yes, that's the one 18:06:51 Lasty: you aren't just makking commits onto ioashol and saving a rebase until we're ready to try merging into trunk 18:06:51 ? 18:07:34 I guess you could do a force push at this point, but after that it'd be ideal if you didn't force push any more 18:07:38 Not sure what |amethyst thinks about it 18:07:42 I've been doing periodic rebases onto monster, but it's been a while since I last did 18:08:01 Lasty1: yeah, it's better if you just do a simple merge of master 18:08:19 we can rebase the final branch onto master at the end, when it's ready for that, to not have all those merge commits 18:08:30 oh, ok 18:08:35 and also to give you another chance to clean up some commits 18:08:36 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:14 but maybe get an opinion from |amethyst here, since this is a big branch and he has more git experience 18:09:38 I think he'd recommend just merging and rebasing at the end of it all, but maybe not 18:10:11 |amethyst: whatta ya think? 18:11:02 one question is, are you basically just doing normal bug fixing and feature addition here, or is there some compelling reason to rebase *now* 18:12:39 I'm mostly doing normal bug fixing and feature addition 18:12:46 I don't know that there's any compelling reason to rebase now 18:15:00 yeah, what I do is basically develop from a normal branch, merging master periodically, and at some point I make a "X_rebased" branch rebased onto master with a cleaned up history 18:15:06 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:10 gotcha 18:16:47 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:18:17 -!- Lasty1 has left ##crawl-dev 18:23:03 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:07 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:34:20 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:36:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:07 -!- Zooty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:09 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:17 -!- Frankie_001 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:15 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:44:47 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:53 -!- tabstorm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:46 -!- Evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:54:19 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:54:48 -!- Danei is now known as Uboa 18:54:49 -!- Uboa has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 18:57:14 <|amethyst> repeated merges from master is simplest 18:57:26 <|amethyst> then it can be rebased, or not, when it goes into master 18:57:43 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:57:55 -!- Morik has quit [Client Quit] 18:59:29 <|amethyst> If you are going to rebase, you should do it frequently, otherwise it's a real headache 19:00:32 |amethyst: you mean rebase frequently in another branch? 19:00:43 -!- breeder__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:56 <|amethyst> Well 19:01:09 <|amethyst> normally yes you wouldn't rebase on a public branch 19:01:16 <|amethyst> s/on // 19:01:52 yeah, do you just use cherry-pick to get the commits from the not-rebased branch? 19:02:11 I'm not sure of the simplest way to do that 19:03:23 <|amethyst> hm 19:04:07 <|amethyst> I don't think there's any points to keeping two copies of this branch with completely unrelated history 19:04:57 <|amethyst> so if other people are using it and you don't want to interfere with their history, then probably it should be all merges 19:05:08 well, if you want to go ahead and clean up some commits now 19:05:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:36 or maybe you're talking about something other than what I am 19:07:08 <|amethyst> if it's a public branch you don't clean up commits 19:07:53 <|amethyst> the question is, how public is iashol :) 19:08:23 <|amethyst> The main reason it's a branch in the public repo is for the benefit of cszo experimenta 19:08:26 <|amethyst> l 19:08:52 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 19:10:05 Question: are friendly undead supposed to glue themselves to elementals around the Qazlal-altar-vault as if they were TVs? 19:10:56 <|amethyst> TZer0: you see the same pathing behaviour with enemies who see you through glass 19:11:02 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:11:16 fair enough 19:11:37 <|amethyst> it might make sense to change that 19:11:42 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1184173/undeadderp.png 19:11:46 <|amethyst> but maybe that should depend on intelligence 19:11:47 looks hilarious. 19:12:08 <|amethyst> (in which case it wouldn't matter for those undead) 19:12:27 <|amethyst> tf should get them to target you instead I think 19:12:54 <|amethyst> They're just hoping "maybe this wall will open up" :) 19:13:06 yup 19:14:41 so hopeful!!! 19:14:45 adorable <3 19:15:04 |amethyst, gammafunk: so, uh, should I be rebasing,merging, or both? 19:16:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:54 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:53 I think the idea is that you merge master into the iashol experimental branch (drop your old home branch) 19:20:18 and then, in the distant future, rebase the iashol experimental branch to clean it up, and then rebase that onto master. 19:20:22 I could be wrong though!!!! 19:20:33 that'd be what I'd do 19:20:39 clean those dirty, dirty commits 19:21:22 oooh.. is Iashol on the way into master? 19:21:33 well, "on the way" 19:21:41 It's a long way . . . 19:21:42 1.6: version of the iashol 19:21:44 but not getting merged now 19:21:54 I mean of the ru 19:22:00 yup 19:22:01 I mean of the no backtracking god!!!! 19:22:08 Also: I am just awful at rebasing 19:22:09 ha ha ha gonna bump your god from its slot 19:22:16 :( 19:22:18 We might have 3 new gods in 0.16 19:22:23 with my vaguely specified poorly-designed god that I haven't done anything with in a month 19:22:25 !!!! 19:22:25 Lasty1: well, we can help with that 19:22:29 reaverb: wow! NIce! 19:22:41 Lasty1: is the god mostly feature-complete at this point? 19:22:43 If dpeg and dracherebon start working on Igni <_< >_> 19:22:47 gammafunk: No, I mean the rebasing I'm doing right now. I keep accidentally merging commits 19:22:53 gammafunk: yes 19:23:01 that's good, re it being mostly feature complete 19:23:12 yeah rebasing is fairly easy to mess up 19:23:26 gammafunk: Yeah, it just needs some bug fixes and probably a bit of number adjustment 19:24:50 Bleh, wordpress has been getting a lot of spam comments lately... 19:25:41 ah ffs, now I'm not sure how to get back to my pushed version. 19:26:07 reaverb: oh, has it? I've only seen the one - have you been filtering them so aggressively that I don't even see emails about them? 19:26:31 No, I've gotten a few emails for spam comments. 19:27:03 What triggered that comment was that I recieved an email for a spam comment, went to close it to noticed somebody had but a differant spam comment was in the queue... 19:30:47 I think magic mapping should reveal the whole level instead of leaving 1/32 (or whatever) of tiles unrevealed 19:31:06 it's obnoxious when you know exactly what a level looks like but autotravel won't work because it thinks one space that can't possibly be a wall, might be a wall 19:32:50 What tiles does magic mapping not reveal? 19:33:13 isnt that gone by now or is it still a thing 19:33:15 random ones 19:33:19 it's still a thing 19:33:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:27 it just stopped me from selecting a wizlab portal with \ 19:34:40 yeah I agree 19:34:45 <|amethyst> what about DDs? 19:34:50 -!- conted has quit [Changing host] 19:34:52 <|amethyst> make them use radius instead? 19:34:55 -!- category has quit [Changing host] 19:34:55 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Changing host] 19:35:36 very occassionally it will just miss a square containing that dummy branch entrance or a lab entrance, which is about the only time it matters 19:36:09 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:37:38 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:40:57 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:40:59 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:41:43 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:42:01 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:44:43 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:46 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:45:10 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:46:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:28 -!- breeder_ is now known as Xenobreeder 19:53:30 -!- atrodo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:44 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:48 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:16 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:08 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 20:12:16 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13:22 -!- rbrrk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:18:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:18:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:35 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:29:41 -!- ChangeAj has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:02 reaverb: Ok, I finally got the branch history fixed up. 20:35:55 Lasty1: Hmm. 20:37:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:32 Lasty1: heh, google search of lasty crawl gives me "Last pub Crawls" 20:38:40 dd/ash's random mapping is sort of... not helpful 20:38:40 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:38:42 It's probably correcr 20:38:42 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:52 I'c click on it, gammafunk 20:38:58 Lasty1: what's that repo url again? 20:39:25 !messages 20:39:26 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (5h 34m 50s ago): Gonna have to update your Depths screenshot on the wordpress page! 20:39:42 Lasty1: Hmm, this looks a lot better, but d3392615a0 and its parent look odd. 20:39:46 https://gitorious.org/crawl/lastys-crawl/source/b7be523b9c25be35d831f68ff86b419835037282: 20:39:49 thanks 20:39:59 Their messages both discuss changes but they look like they only add linebreaks? 20:40:05 crap 20:40:40 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 20:41:29 you're right. the div_ran_round one seemed to already exist, and I thought I rebased it out 20:42:37 same for the improve skill divisor one 20:42:53 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-1767-gbec7adb: nicolae vaults (#8745). 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 302+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bec7adb4a04f 20:42:56 they're duplicates of earlier commits 20:43:12 !tell nicolae- tomb subvaults \o/ 20:43:13 Grunt: OK, I'll let nicolae- know. 20:43:29 Also, I'm not sure does_iashol_wanna_redirect() should be in godpassive.cc rather than mon-act.cc 20:43:40 Since it's only used in mon-act.cc 20:43:44 !send gammafunk motivation to work on Tomb subvaults 20:43:44 Sending motivation to work on Tomb subvaults to gammafunk. 20:43:50 amd mon-castr 20:43:55 *mon-cast 20:44:23 I thought since it was iashol-specific . . . 20:44:32 I should put it in godpassives 20:44:48 Lasty1: Hmm, if it's used in mon-cast.cc maybe it should be godpassive.cc 20:45:34 Oh, and you never #included godpassive.h in mon-cast.cc 20:45:40 Oops 20:45:47 and I got a compile error... 20:45:47 Oh shit -- I forgot to try compiling 20:45:51 sorry 20:45:53 checking it now 20:46:13 I compiled an earlier version, and forgot to recompile after refactoring :( 20:46:18 I got to mon-cast.cc without getting an error. 20:46:25 Whcih is pretty impressive for coding blind. 20:46:35 Well, it wasn't blind -- it was the rebasing that was blind 20:46:49 Grunt: here's what I have so far: x1111111111111111111x 20:46:53 rebasing/refactoring is still coding :D 20:46:57 yup 20:46:59 true 20:47:01 sorry, that's c11111111111111111c 20:47:52 oh shit 20:48:20 I'm back to the state where I'm freezing on GEN tiledef-player.h. :p 20:49:48 Hmm, minor bug: If you use drawout power with max hp and mp it fails with no message. 20:49:56 !send linetomb gammafunk 20:49:57 Sending gammafunk to linetomb. 20:50:08 oh, yeah, that's not ideal. No one's mentioned it before now. 20:50:42 Anyway, the new power leap seems to work. 20:51:25 woot 20:52:23 Did you add in the missing include and compile it? 20:52:46 Grunt: are you reviewing nicolae's vaults btw? 20:52:52 Lasty1: yes. 20:55:14 infiniplex also has a couple patches I was going to take a look at 20:55:14 gammafunk: Yes, if you could look at those patches that would be nice. 20:55:14 reaverb: great, because it's going to be a little bit before I can get make to terminate :( 20:55:14 in fact I think I need to restart again. brb. 20:55:14 -!- Lasty1 has left ##crawl-dev 20:55:14 Lasty1: Ctrl-Alt-delete can kill make. 20:55:14 ha 20:55:14 I have found the cause of #8735. 20:55:40 !bug 8735 20:55:41 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8735 20:58:17 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:26 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-1768-geba43f1: Don't invalidate monster-aligned foes for frenzied mons (#8735). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eba43f1dda46 21:01:40 Lasty1: Ctrl-Alt-delete can kill make. 21:01:41 btw 21:02:08 reaverb: you'd think so 21:02:34 ctrl-c didn't do it, task manager + kill process didn't do it, systematically rooting out processes didn't kill it . . . 21:02:40 Lasty1: Pretty sure it can....I'm not sure why any sane person would make a process manager whcih can't kill processes. 21:02:44 Lasty1: Oh, hmm. 21:02:48 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:02:49 reaverb: welcome to Windows 21:03:04 Lasty1: have you tried Process Explorer? 21:03:15 (the Sysinternals program) 21:03:26 probably not? it doesn't ring a bell 21:04:28 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx 21:04:29 grab it and try it 21:04:40 it's better than the built in task manager, many more features 21:05:07 hmm 21:05:11 I'll try it out 21:06:44 reaverb: hypothetically, if I merge in (say) 260 commits from master, should I push them? It seems like it'll make it much harder to find the iashol commits. 21:07:14 Lasty1: Yes, it's a little odd to find the Iashol commits but keeping the branches in sync is worth it. 21:07:28 Also there's probably some git command I don't know about which makes it super easy to find them >_> 21:07:33 efrs (L14 CeHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:8) 21:07:43 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:08:26 efrs (L13 CeHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:8) 21:08:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:13:40 Lasty1: Ok, everything appears to work, so I think it's just handling those two weird line breaks commits and this should be fine to push. 21:13:41 wot 21:13:43 er woot 21:14:04 Oh, and one tiny last thing - |amethyst added a Doxygen comment which is removed in 936240150d6b662e 21:14:19 Might be better to just remove the removed argument. 21:14:31 Lasty1: you have to push what you merge, yes 21:14:47 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:14:48 reaverb: so not a full revert of that one? 21:15:00 Lasty1: Yes please, thanks. 21:15:08 you can use git log author=blah and other git log commands to see lists of not-merge commits 21:15:10 ok 21:15:21 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:15:24 gammafunk: Not if you use git rerere!!!! 21:15:31 huh? 21:15:42 we're talking about how you view commits that weren't merge commits 21:16:04 what would rerere have to do with anything 21:16:10 git rerere let you store merges without pushing them. 21:16:20 but...it's a public branch 21:16:24 And then merge later on an updated branch without losing work. 21:16:28 we have to merge master 21:16:41 gammafunk: Yes, the !!! means it's a joke. 21:16:58 sure, good joke 21:18:36 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:10 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:04 -!- kcfos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:20:34 -!- Zathryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:23:53 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 21:24:44 Rebasing (8/268) 21:25:42 almost there 21:26:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:30 Lasty1: You're rebasing? 21:27:17 reaverb: just to remove the two whitespace commits and make the other changes we discussed 21:27:18 rebase -i 21:27:34 Lasty1: Seem weired there are 268 commits. 21:27:50 I would have done git rebase -i origin/iashol , which make it down to 15. 21:27:52 I merged in master before you mentioned those, so . . . 21:28:05 Lasty1: Oh, hmm. 21:28:13 Lasty1: And you handled the fail_check() stuff? 21:28:28 The fail_check() stuff? 21:28:36 I don't think I saw that message 21:28:42 * Lasty1 looks at the logs 21:28:48 You need to add fail_check() to all the Iashol abilties. 21:28:57 It's nrook's refactoring patch. 21:29:07 erg 21:29:08 no 21:29:18 (Being able to place fail_check() means we can not have abilties fail before the player gets to target stuff with them) 21:29:35 I'll have to add that in 21:29:41 probably as a new commit 21:30:16 A new commit would probably be the best way to handle that, yes. 21:31:37 (85/268) . . . oh, and it's empty 21:31:46 oh,r ight, that's my summon swarm changes 21:32:04 Lasty1: Yes, git autohandles things like that. 21:32:24 well, it needed some manual intervention 21:32:44 Oh, hmm. 21:32:54 maybeI need better defaults 21:33:24 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:17 Hey, when you get a "error: unable to create file crawl-ref/source/monster.cc (Permission denied)" message during a commit, is there an easy way to try to create the file again? Using checkout rewinds the changes effectively. 21:37:36 is there a version of the file in a commit that you'd want? 21:38:10 I just want the rebase to apply its changes cleanly, but it got derailed by a temporary permissions conflict 21:38:30 -!- joy199 is now known as joy1999 21:38:37 so right now I have: deleted: monster.cc 21:38:48 I think you'd want to checkout monster.cc from the ref after where you're rebasing 21:38:52 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:07 <|amethyst> is that deletion in the index? 21:39:07 so checkout that version (just monster.cc) 21:39:09 <|amethyst> what does git status say about that? 21:39:23 Is there a way to look up that ref from within git, or do I need to look it up in gitorious or whatever? 21:39:33 git log just displays waht's already been applied 21:39:51 yes you can look up with git log, but also what |amethyst said 21:40:28 |amethyst: I'm not sure how to check on what you're saying 21:40:31 -!- Werehuman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:40:36 he means if you do git status 21:40:37 <|amethyst> git status 21:40:42 <|amethyst> what does it say? 21:40:49 about monsters.cc in particular 21:40:53 *monster.cc 21:41:23 git status says what I said above: it's deleted 21:41:32 <|amethyst> it says more than just that 21:41:33 as an unstaged commit 21:41:39 <|amethyst> ah, unstaged 21:41:44 <|amethyst> that's what I wanted to know 21:41:46 gotcha 21:41:49 <|amethyst> meaning you have it in your index 21:42:41 What should I do in that case? 21:42:47 <|amethyst> git checkout monster.cc should do it 21:43:07 doesn't that just checkout the version of monster.cc in the version prior to the one it's trying to apply 21:43:19 <|amethyst> no, it gets the version from the index 21:43:35 for example, it also shows monster.h as being modified in the index 21:43:50 -!- Varduck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:44:00 it wants to me add the files to rebase and then do git rebase --continue 21:44:18 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:21 <|amethyst> I think maybe you should abort the rebase and try again 21:44:35 <|amethyst> since we don't know what other problems the permissions thing caused 21:44:40 <|amethyst> git rebase --abort 21:45:01 I've had it before, and it's quite consistent: one single file gets affected 21:45:20 But if that's the best way to handle it, so be it 21:45:33 I'll have to pick this up again in the morning . . . 21:45:38 <|amethyst> the issue is that you don't know which version is in the index 21:45:47 <|amethyst> whether that's the one from the commit you're currently working on 21:45:53 <|amethyst> and it sounds like maybe it's not 21:46:06 Lasty1: do you get these permissions problems often? 21:46:24 not sure what would have caused it 21:46:28 <|amethyst> Do you have them open in the editor? 21:46:32 if I'm not careful -- my text editor tends to cause them under certain conditions 21:46:51 Lasty1: Hmm, which editor do you use? 21:47:36 Sublime Text 3 21:48:06 <|amethyst> hm https://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13580 21:48:14 %git df118164fecb6f63ba9eee7a6a750bee6b4b940f 21:48:33 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1601-gdf11816: Don't count augmented innate mutations for silver damage. 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df118164fecb 21:48:33 <|amethyst> says it's the indexer 21:48:48 <|amethyst> "no files were indexed out of the 308 queued, abandoning crawl" 21:48:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:48:58 <|amethyst> that's hardly a reason to give up the game 21:50:13 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:59 so, I found the answer: git checkout -p -- will fix those issues 21:51:16 e.g. permissions conflict issues 21:51:30 In terms of preventing them from happening, I think I just need to leave Sublime closed 21:52:16 Anyway, I need to head out for the evening. Hopefully I'll finish the rebasing process tomorrow morning. 21:52:44 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:52:49 <|amethyst> hm 21:55:40 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:56:00 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:53 -!- Farcaster2 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:02:55 -!- Phalm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:03:11 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:45 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:13 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 22:15:29 Lasty: what platform is that? 22:16:09 SamB: Lasty is gone. 22:16:14 oh darn 22:16:18 nevermind then 22:16:34 (gone = gone for the night btw) 22:16:34 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:55 SamB: yeah, he's not dead, if that's what you were thinking 22:17:12 lol 22:20:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:21:36 %git e676769f64300c5da6daf5afbb1b27347060a5bb 22:21:36 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-182-ge676769: Made trap ammo dependent on T&D. Old: 11 + G(1/3), bounded at 20 (G is the geometric distribution.) New: 10 + random2(T&D skill). 10(7 years ago, 4 files, 14+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e676769f6430 22:21:45 nice 22:21:50 wtf 22:22:04 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:15 PleasingFungus: if you have a problem with the geometric distribution, well we'd better just duke it out right now 22:22:29 wtf 22:22:36 this commit.... 22:22:45 however I fully support the commit 22:22:52 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:07 PleasingFungus: try to imagine yourself as a dev back in the days as 0.3 22:23:13 that was some wild-west shit I bet 22:23:20 *of 0.3 22:23:50 seems to have been pretty damn crazy 22:23:54 Whay commit? 22:23:57 %git 4f77df2e280 22:23:57 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-179-g4f77df2: Made oklob plants lightgreen, i.e., distinguishable from plants. I'm sure this is controversial, so feel free to revert/discuss on c.r.d/discuss in FR 1632448. 10(7 years ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f77df2e2801 22:24:11 Thanks 22:24:14 that wasn't the one 22:24:21 I was talking about e676769f643 22:24:21 but also, good commit title 22:24:22 Ah 22:24:45 What, so that commit (e676769f643) made having high T&D give traps more ammo to shot at you??? 22:24:49 That's pretty odd. 22:25:06 %git e676769f643 22:25:06 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-182-ge676769: Made trap ammo dependent on T&D. Old: 11 + G(1/3), bounded at 20 (G is the geometric distribution.) New: 10 + random2(T&D skill). 10(7 years ago, 4 files, 14+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e676769f6430 22:25:14 I think the idea was that you'd get more ammo for disarming them? 22:25:20 (And yes oklobs being distinguishable from plants was at first controversal, I have no idea why) 22:25:34 PleasingFungus: Yes, that seems like the idea. 22:26:01 pretty sure I like the idea of a random P shooting me with acid death 22:26:07 man....damn! 22:26:15 that would have been a perfect commit for nostalgia 22:26:19 rip 22:26:22 replace oklob tile with plant tile 22:26:34 optimal 22:26:42 also take out the auto-exclude 22:26:45 of course 22:26:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:40 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:29:21 I'm pretty sure i shouldn't be asking this here, but no one on the other channel could help me. When I try to compile crawl using git, it doesn't recognise the "make" command. What should I do to solve it? 22:29:41 are you in crawl/crawl-ref/source 22:29:53 no it says it doesn't recognize make 22:30:00 so sounds like it's not installed 22:30:04 o 22:30:12 How can I install it? 22:30:25 rockygargoyle: have you falled the instructions for compiling on windows? 22:30:28 (and are you on windows) 22:30:38 I don't think so 22:30:55 ...what operatings system do you have 22:30:56 Yes, I am on windows 22:30:59 ah ok 22:31:01 one sec 22:31:42 rockygargoyle: in this document: https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/source/eba43f1dda468e6b6466ec7e6d63d8bbf590355f:crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 22:32:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:03 ok, I'll read it and install, thanks 22:32:12 rockygargoyle: yeah, see the section Building on Windows (MinGW) 22:32:18 basically you need to download the right package 22:32:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:26 it should have make and gcc etc 22:34:52 PleasingFungus: _Being near the torpor snail leaves you feeling lethargic. 22:35:01 yeeees? 22:35:01 ridiculous 22:35:12 yeeeeeeeeeeeeees? 22:35:23 I must download visual studio? 22:35:28 thanks for the sheep chunks 22:35:34 rockygargoyle: no 22:35:35 nom nom! 22:35:40 how many were there? 22:35:57 oh uh 22:35:59 hrm 22:36:06 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:36:16 6 I think 22:36:20 decent 22:37:02 I am having some trouble understanding the manual 22:37:15 English isn't my first language 22:39:19 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:44 what part? 22:40:12 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:41:34 . git submodule update --init 22:41:37 I got until this part 22:41:52 Tried to use make, and it didn't work 22:42:24 ok, what happens when you try make 22:42:28 what's the error 22:42:45 It says it doesn't recognize make 22:43:16 Like it wasn't a valid command 22:43:21 rockygargoyle: you need to download and install msysgit 22:43:32 Msygit? 22:43:41 Can you give me a link? 22:44:05 http://msysgit.github.io/ 22:45:34 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:57 Thanks!!! 22:47:13 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:41 !tell reaverb You could remove the melee-only ; from the swamp water population like you did elsewhere (the swamp worms can stay) 22:47:42 gammafunk: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 22:48:20 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:36 Wait 22:49:00 I'm pretty sure I already have git 22:49:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:17 Is this the same git I used to "git pull"? 22:49:32 rockygargoyle: yes, but this package gives you a full development environment 22:49:35 or at least it should 22:49:44 Ah, okay 22:49:51 Thanks 22:50:42 Since my internet connection is really slow, it'll probably disconnect chat while it downloads the package 22:57:07 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:59:53 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:00:22 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 23:05:55 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:06:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 23:14:34 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:36 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:48 -!- Morik has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:23 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 23:20:35 -!- giantbat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:21 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:22 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:31:07 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:39:04 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: *nonja vanish~!*] 23:39:34 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0a1/20140620030201]] 23:39:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:25 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:38 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:21 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:51:10 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0/20140605174243]] 23:51:31 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:58:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...]