00:01:04 nope nevermind its a new bug in trunk 00:01:09 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-24-gbdbe590 00:02:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1511-g546f9a4 (34) 00:03:58 huh. xom can give missiles plusses 00:05:03 -!- Werehuman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:07:39 -!- ChangeAj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:08:26 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:02 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:38 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.1-24-gbdbe590 (34) 00:16:14 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1511-g546f9a4 (34) 00:16:17 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:43 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140606030206]] 00:21:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:20 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:30 -!- Tenda has quit [Read error: Connection 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many crashes this will cause 01:07:46 -!- ebarrett_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:46 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:45 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:56 %git :/inner 01:09:57 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1299-g27d8d3e: Allow inner flaming allies. 10(9 days ago, 3 files, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=27d8d3e4d69f 01:15:33 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:20:48 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:23:13 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1523-gf3f4057: Update the manual 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3f4057e4f42 01:33:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:35 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:36:20 -!- HamsterSaurusMex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:43:33 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:46:08 |amethyst: just curious, what kind of ideas did you have for improving/replacing the current crawl server architecture? 01:47:17 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:50:00 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:57:14 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:07 -!- jbenedet1o has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:01:54 %git :/brand 02:01:54 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1487-g5385ec1: Fix up frost/flame-brand randarts as well. 10(33 hours ago, 1 file, 15+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5385ec194223 02:03:40 PleasingFungus: I'm assuming that manual commit was a sync? 02:03:58 Grunt: yeah, took it from the wiki 02:04:01 * Grunt nods. 02:04:04 Just making sure :) 02:04:06 as grunts often do 02:04:19 You hear a grunt. 02:04:19 I got the funny regex bug again. should probably do something about that 02:04:30 (the one that erased the first r in every line) 02:04:53 (until I edited the relevant regex file) 02:05:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09:52 So 02:09:59 How are you guys feeling about the monpickup change 02:11:13 how are you feeling about mercenaries? 02:11:14 :) 02:11:40 Oh, the change 02:11:44 To where they are durable summons 02:11:50 That can no longer be given stuff with Ctrl-T? 02:11:56 ya 02:11:58 Or did that get reversed when I wasn't looking 02:12:01 na 02:12:08 though they get better starting equipment now!!! 02:12:15 wow / whoa 02:12:23 Ah, then in my studied opinion they are a flat-out waste of gold. 02:12:27 Like 02:12:28 haha 02:12:41 Bring back Ctrl-T and let them pick things up, or remove the Merc card altogether. 02:12:47 Make_good_item is actually 02:12:49 A really nice thing 02:12:50 MarvinPA would support the latter option 02:12:55 or at least reduce the gold cost 02:12:58 If mercs were back to where they were 02:13:04 (todo: mercenary shops???) 02:13:07 Reduced gold cost is still a waste of reduced gold 02:13:14 !send Grunt box_of_mercenary 02:13:15 Sending box_of_mercenary to Grunt. 02:13:16 yeah but you can still get x value out of shitty naga #57 02:13:17 (maybe give Gozag an ability to purchase a mercenary <_< >_> <_< >_>) 02:13:26 >>><<<___ 02:13:40 Make_good_item makes it so the merc generally doesn't start with a cursed weapon 02:13:42 Which is really nice 02:13:49 Because sometimes mercs did start with cursed weapons 02:13:51 Roarke: I forget, have I told you my opinion about mercenaries 02:13:52 And it crippled them 02:14:04 PleasingFungus If you have, I don't remember. Refresh me please. 02:15:42 (1) if mercenaries are in the game, they should get better mechanical support for upgrades, since people seem to really enjoy that. (2) people seem to really enjoy mercenaries, so they should probably be in the game. (3) it's very hard to justify greater mechanical support when mercenaries are hilariously rare and niche. (4) mercenaries should be made more common in some way; possibly... 02:15:44 ...removed from decks & appearing as their own consumable/item, which I compare to the box of beasts for not very strong reasons. 02:15:57 they arent really that rare 02:16:00 just few people draw from decks 02:16:03 Yeah 02:16:05 I've literally never gotten a mercenary 02:16:09 do you draw from decks 02:16:11 I've seen easily 5+ mercs in a given game 02:16:13 when I play nemelex!! 02:16:18 but otherwise no 02:16:23 Yeah, Mercs are not in Nem decks 02:16:29 Nem doesn't increase your chances of finding one at all 02:16:31 o 02:16:40 you have to draw from floor decks 02:16:40 They're in wonders and changes 02:16:46 (5) *t isn't coming back because it was bad; if mercenaries get expanded on, it's going to be with some (a)-screen ui, similar to beogh's 02:16:55 eww, floor decks. don't touch those. they're dirty 02:17:05 More like don't touch Nem; he 02:17:09 he's* dirty 02:17:12 rude. 02:17:18 Nem is nothing if not rude 02:17:26 i am having trouble figuring out what you are being sarcastic about at this point lol 02:17:26 Like 02:17:26 Xom is ruder 02:17:36 But second-best to Xom 02:17:37 -!- Phantom is now known as Guest40885 02:17:40 Is something to take pride in 02:17:41 Anyway 02:17:50 I'm actually fine with MarvinPA axing the Mercenary Card 02:17:58 It's the second-best thing to bringing them back to their old usefulness 02:18:07 s/usefulness/fun 02:18:19 They weren't always strictly useful, but they were almost always fun. 02:18:20 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.1-24-gbdbe590 02:18:30 As a side note, big kobold mercs should be removed 02:18:33 Not even replaced 02:18:34 Just removed 02:18:35 the argument is that they encourage unfun behaviour to try to keep them alive 02:18:45 since they're a permanent killable resource 02:18:52 Unfun? There's very little unfun about it 02:19:01 Give one a polearm and let him kill a few things from behind you 02:19:08 Until he turns into something badass that kills things on its own 02:19:09 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:28 honestly if anything the card was somewhat broken 02:19:32 Yeah 02:19:34 you could get a strong ally for very little investment other than turns 02:19:47 Get two merfolk impalers at your back and watch them butcher orbs of fire 02:19:53 Haste them 02:19:59 If anything the Merc card is stronger than Beogh 02:20:08 Greater naga and tengu reavers make orc warlords look bad 02:20:16 i dont think you can get 50 million points with the merc card 02:20:26 now you can't get that with beogh either :( 02:20:28 rip 02:20:35 you're right about that 02:20:40 Devs Hate Fun imo 02:20:41 although you can probably still do well 02:21:34 By the way 02:21:39 If Ctrl-T really isn't coming back 02:22:06 Then the ?4 command list needs updating 02:22:10 Since it's still listed there 02:22:25 so it is 02:22:41 -!- Guest40885 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:23:04 oh god this is in tex. why 02:23:11 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:37 I don't know what you're dismayed about, but it can't be worse than me finding out Ctrl-T was getting the axe in the first place, so. 02:23:39 so if the devs don't want to remove the card i think the costs should be adjusted 02:23:52 And big kobolds removed 02:24:01 Big kobolds did encourage unfun behavior to keep them alive 02:24:09 i mean wheals did put a bit of work into the card itself 02:24:09 Because they were so awfully weak 02:24:13 Yeah 02:24:19 so i dont feel great about saying it is useless and should be removed 02:24:22 but it is useless and should be removed 02:24:33 it is okay to say that things are bad as long as you are polite (which you are!) 02:24:51 wheals listened to my earlier issues with the card and I feel like that is a good reason to not just throw up my hands and curse about this 02:25:56 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1523-gf3f4057 (34) 02:26:04 it is important to stay calm. the mercenaries need you. they depend on you 02:26:10 About the cost adjustment though I'm still not entirely sure that's relevant. 02:26:20 Like mercs are going to either be a waste of gold or not 02:26:28 One way or another they're pretty affordable as they are. 02:26:29 i would just say that it's better than nothing 02:26:37 I suppose. 02:26:49 nothing in this case being no action being taken 02:26:53 not the nonexistence of the card 02:27:06 Yeah 02:27:32 I am sad to see Merc the way it is now. Removal would be better in an Old Yeller kind of way. 02:27:37 haha 02:28:25 Here: Twyulovo the naga, wielding a runed flail and wearing a runed robe (friendly, durably summoned) 02:28:30 This is something DrKe showed me 02:28:38 It's the first mercenary he found after the change 02:28:44 Let's go through this step-by-step 02:28:52 Twyulovo is a badass name 02:29:02 I could easily see that cleaving its way through Zot alongside DrKe 02:29:05 As a greater naga 02:29:08 It's a worthy name 02:29:22 Runed flail. 02:29:24 Excellent. 02:29:44 Make_good_item is a nice buff because mercs would sometimes start with cursed items (even armor) and that just flat-out sucked. 02:29:54 Runed robe, same as before 02:30:02 Friendly, okay, DrKe paid him and now he's a bro. 02:30:19 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 02:30:20 "durably summoned" I guess this is the required change because of the monpickup thing 02:30:37 Twyulovo can't put on GDA or wield a demon trident and shield 02:30:37 I forget the reasoning but you can probably blame me, I was involved somehow 02:30:54 Which puts DrKe in an awkward position 02:31:08 Like if you thought mercs encouraged unfun behavior to keep them alive before 02:31:16 Imagine what it's like 02:31:30 When you can't equip them with items you're literally never going to pick up anyway 02:31:31 tbh what I'm kind of getting here is "mercenaries used to be hilariously strong secret tech" 02:31:33 Like a randart plate armor 02:31:39 "and now they're not worth more than a few hundred gold" 02:32:36 I wouldn't go so far as to call it hilariously strong 02:32:37 They were hilarious, and strong 02:32:53 You could get mercs that would solo an orb of fire for you 02:32:55 But it wasn't like Beogh 02:33:04 Where they could do literally all the work, offensively. 02:33:22 yeah, they were sort of secret-tech 02:33:49 They were secret-tech in that nobody really cared enough to use them 02:33:57 minqmay and bmfx were certainly aware of the potential 02:34:12 But bmfx abandoned them after getting too many big kobolds, and minqmay is minqmay. 02:34:29 i think he uses the name "duvessa" 02:34:34 (speaking of which BKo really needs to be removed no matter what. Merc is rare enough without the duds). 02:34:48 He does, for reasons unknown to me. 02:34:55 sexyelfdreams 02:35:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1524-g9130b7f: Remove ctrl-t (from the manual) (Roarke) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9130b7f7e69e 02:35:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1525-ge22165b: Remove conservation from the manual 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e22165b40234 02:35:22 Wow 02:35:27 My name is up there 02:35:35 not for the first time 02:35:38 I'm aware 02:35:38 ??black magic 02:35:38 black magic[1/4]: %git HEAD^{/rod}^^{/rod} 02:35:47 ?? 02:35:56 imo something being secret techy is grounds for removal/revamp 02:36:01 %git HEAD^{/Roarke}^^{/Roarke} 02:36:03 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-877-g2926600: Replace spriggan rider mercenaries with base demonspawn (Roarke). 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29266000b18b 02:36:09 neat 02:36:12 Yeah 02:36:18 All of the commits associated with my name 02:36:22 because it basically means it's something that is probably broken if you can bore yourself enough to do it 02:36:27 I thought I credited you with something the other day 02:36:27 Have had to do with the improvement of the Mercenary card 02:36:28 idk 02:36:42 Except this last one 02:36:56 Though it's still related 02:36:57 So I call it good 02:37:38 I really don't see it as boring though 02:37:48 This isn't a case of someone picking up disto items to put on another floor 02:38:16 There will be at most like 5 Merc cards in an average game 02:38:20 Usually much less, like 1 or 2 02:38:32 Circumstances aren't always ripe to use it 02:38:39 You find the card too late, for instance 02:38:53 But it costs nothing to draw out those decks except a minor risk of a bad card 02:39:08 and focus can be beneficial 02:39:13 Sometimes your game is too bad for you to protect the merc until it can fend for itself, and it dies 02:39:21 Sometimes you don't find good items for it 02:39:26 sometimes it's a kobold 02:39:32 ^ Remove BKo 02:39:34 Seriously 02:39:35 Duds 02:39:44 alternately, let them evolve 02:39:46 into bigger kobolds 02:39:49 biggest kobold 02:39:50 into big kobold demonologist 02:39:50 Huge Kobold 02:39:56 MEGA KOBOLD 02:40:13 If the MEGA KOBOLD would speak in all caps like Xtahua 02:40:19 I would find an army of them 02:40:22 ?/WHISKERS 02:40:23 Matching entries (2): mislead[3]: #1590: "The mottled dragon twitches its whiskers." | QUAD_DAMAGE[3]: THE RAT TWITCHES ITS WHISKERS. 02:40:27 ^ 02:40:30 but with kobolds 02:40:33 Since mercs do the whole ally thing 02:40:41 Where they say stuff like "I would die for you" 02:40:46 And "You're my only friend." 02:40:51 I WOULD DIE FOR YOU 02:40:57 YOU'RE MY ONLY FRIEND 02:40:59 yes. this is good 02:41:56 Anyway, Merc is probably a secret tech by some definitions 02:42:05 But someone thought Chei Tornado was a secret tech 02:42:13 And then like 4 people chimed in with 15-rune games 02:42:18 Centered around Te of Chei 02:42:24 Using Tornado to destroy everything 02:42:27 haha 02:42:34 chei people are silly 02:42:46 In all seriousness Chei Tornado is very strong 02:42:51 Tornado makes noise, which attracts things 02:42:56 chei everything is very strong, because you have infinite stats 02:42:58 So you use Temporal Distortion to make them get in range 02:43:04 it's just, you can't run away when things go south 02:43:05 Without using turns 02:43:21 Yeah, the best god in the game until he kills you basically 02:43:22 i used HE 02:43:30 But I do have more wins with him than any other god 02:43:34 Ash being a close second 02:44:44 and those two are half your wins 02:45:11 i'm surprised only half to be honest 02:45:21 when you bypass such respectable necromancer gods like Vehumet 02:45:46 ??book of necromancy 02:45:47 book of necromancy[1/1]: Pain, Animate Skeleton, Lethal Infusion, Vampiric Draining, Regeneration, Animate Dead, Control 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07:49:58 ugh should've gone TSO 07:50:12 23 throwing and I couldn't kill an orc high priest with 10 or so large rocks because they all missed 07:54:18 wow, that's awful 07:54:37 How's your Fighting, since that matters now? 07:54:44 11 07:54:52 (also I didn't know it actually makes a difference, thanks) 07:55:21 orc high priest (09o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 40-69 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(58) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 842 | Sp: pain (d13), sum.demon, smiting (7-17), heal other (2d5), 04esc:minor healing (2d5) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 07:55:21 %?? orc high priest 07:55:39 unknown monster: "merfolk javalineer" 07:55:39 %?? merfolk javalineer 07:55:46 merfolk javelineer (16m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 69-87 | AC/EV: 0/14 | Dam: 17 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer, amphibious | Res: 06magic(69), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1126 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 07:55:46 %?? merfolk javelineer 07:56:01 yeah, with only 12 EV, that seems like a bad streak of luck 07:56:35 dunno, monster EV is weird, the least reason not being the fact it generally drops as the game progresses 07:56:38 especially post-lair 07:57:07 orb guardians have "high" ev yet they have no more than d1 goblins 07:58:11 well, 1 more EV than d1 goblins 07:58:14 but yeah, fair point 07:58:30 spriggan (15i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 16-34 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(65) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 218 | Sz: little | Int: high. 07:58:30 %?? spriggan 07:58:32 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Client Quit] 07:59:23 I guess just increasing monster HP is a more reliable way to make them harder to kill for everyone or something 08:00:59 well, that's true 08:01:16 Monster EV: the mechanic that time forgot 08:02:02 weapon accuracy increases way faster will skill than spell accuracy . . 08:04:07 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:41 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:06:33 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:57 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:14:31 03|amethyst02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1522-gcdce99d: Make =tele grant evoke teleportation (#8688) 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdce99dfdb1e 08:18:57 |amethyst: beat me to it 08:20:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:02 good knife of accuracy buff 08:22:02 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:22:06 !messages 08:22:06 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (10h 21m 3s ago): I forget nothing!!!! 08:22:07 !messages 08:22:08 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (10h 19m 45s ago): (also there is a second half to that patch that I'm still in the middle of fixing up) 08:39:22 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:50 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43:20 uploaded a patch to Mantis to fix the poison damage irritation 08:44:53 Iashol Words/Taste sacrifices trigger on poison damage 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 by Lasty 08:45:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:49:03 i am newbie, which git bash command i have to use for making patch file like "New god: Iashol" 08:49:33 I used git format-patch --stdout origin/master > /d/iashol7.patch 08:49:51 thx 08:50:05 If you have a single commit, you can use git show HEAD > /d/telefix.patch 08:50:23 hm 08:52:57 how to decide whether that patch accepted or not? 08:54:36 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:54 I'm not sure if I understand -- normally the patch you create is posted on Mantis, and then devs look it over when they feel inclined to do so and decide what to do with it 08:55:45 aha... 08:55:55 i got it 08:57:52 i am interested in modifying new equip system of beogh follower orc 08:59:02 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:59:03 but because i am newbie in git, i want get some advice, 08:59:04 Gotcha. I'd start by completing and compiling and at least briefly playtesting your changes, then make those changes into a patch for mantis 08:59:59 m - 42 large rocks (gained 30) 09:00:03 In terms of making that easier, I'd recommend separating your changes into a series of distinct features if possible, and commit each one to your local git with a good commit message 09:00:03 oops wc 09:00:20 title, line break, line break, description of changes 09:00:41 that way it'll be easier to for devs to review and merge later 09:00:42 can i compiling stone soup for window7? 09:01:04 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:01:10 You might also want to first make some Tavern posts to make sure your changes might be accepted if made 09:01:11 yes 09:01:38 siotwarrior: one second, I will find the instructions I used. 09:01:45 thank you a lot of valuable advice 09:02:23 C:\stone_soup-0.14.0\INSTALL.txt > Building on Windows (MinGW) section 09:02:39 DON'T DO THIS ONE: Building on Windows (cygwin) --> it won't work! it's really bad. 09:02:46 Building on Windows (MSVC) --> have not tried this one 09:03:00 every advice are really helpful for me 09:03:04 <|amethyst> building with cygwin doesn't work? 09:03:10 if it works I don't know how to make it work 09:03:13 <|amethyst> I thought that's how MarvinPA did all his builds 09:03:14 I wrangled with it for hours with no luck 09:03:18 it works for me, yeah 09:03:39 Oh hey, |amethyst -- could you apply to Iashol poison de-irritation patch? 09:03:51 Thanks for getting the cszo branch up! 09:03:53 took a bit longer to set up than msysgit since i had to make sure i had all the dependencies manually but it worked fine after that i think 09:03:56 <|amethyst> who only for poison? 09:04:00 <|amethyst> err, why? 09:04:06 marvinpa: yeah, that's probably what I did wrong, bad dependencies 09:04:15 Poison is the only damage-over-time damage type 09:04:21 <|amethyst> sticky flame 09:04:23 <|amethyst> manticore barbs 09:04:29 (manticore barbs isn't really a dot) 09:04:36 <|amethyst> (the latter doesn't happen while resting I guess) 09:04:40 yeah 09:04:52 sticky flame might be needed, but it's much shorter 09:04:55 <|amethyst> and I guess sticky flame is short-duration 09:05:07 poison realy needs it tho 09:05:11 *really 09:06:27 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:06:56 <|amethyst> the problem is that you can't quaff curing to end poison? 09:07:08 <|amethyst> because it seems like there would be a simpler fix to blocking resting 09:07:24 No, it's that the status being applied and removed stops resting 09:07:31 it's just an irritation 09:08:01 with little meaningful effect 09:09:13 though I am surprised it triggers so often on poison. It should only trigger rarely on small fractions of your total hp 09:09:44 <|amethyst> one_chance_in(min(1, you.hp_max - dam*2) 09:09:50 <|amethyst> ) 09:09:55 <|amethyst> that triggers every turn 09:10:05 frack -- max 09:10:05 <|amethyst> err, every time you take damage 09:10:10 oops 09:10:21 that should be max, not min 09:10:38 <|amethyst> Also: Patch format detection failed. 09:11:02 weird -- I used git show HEAD 09:11:11 <|amethyst> yeah, don't use git show to make a patch 09:11:22 Oh, someone told me I should. :p 09:11:24 <|amethyst> git am doesn't know how to apply those 09:11:36 <|amethyst> it was easy enough for me to rewrite though 09:11:57 <|amethyst> change commit to From, Author: to From:, and put the first line in the Subject: 09:12:02 <|amethyst> and remove the indent 09:12:05 What's the recommended way to create a single commit patch? 09:12:11 <|amethyst> git format-patch 09:12:20 <|amethyst> git format-patch HEAD^ 09:12:31 thanks! 09:12:42 <|amethyst> I'll fix up those two mins 09:12:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:23 Thanks, |amethyst 09:14:21 03Lasty02 {|amethyst} 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1523-g9763431: Iashol words/taste poison interaction 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9763431adb11 09:14:21 03|amethyst02 07[iashol] * 0.15-a0-1524-g86dbf44: Don't trigger MUT_NO_{READ,DRINK} on every HP loss. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86dbf4457c52 09:14:42 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:48 <|amethyst> rebuilding on CSZO 09:15:12 Experimental (iashol) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1524-g86dbf44 09:17:22 -!- halv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:43 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:27:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:27:46 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:30:29 -!- xordid has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:32:25 -!- casmith789 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:43 -!- Lasty_ has left ##crawl-dev 09:40:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:39 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 09:40:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:43 -!- Progress has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41:27 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:38 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty_ 09:42:21 -!- jacobscrackers has quit [Quit: I ♥ Elive] 09:45:05 -!- SiotWarrior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:45:46 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:44 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:59 gammafunk: Experimental branch is up!!! 09:54:23 yep 09:54:28 -!- Tenda has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00:47 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:01:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:02:40 -!- moose has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:55 %git 34e562be156b 10:07:55 07by02 * 0.7.0-a0-1946-g34e562b: Use beam_source for miscast beam attribution. 10(4 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34e562be156b 10:11:06 int kindex = /*beam_source_as_target()*/beam_source; 10:11:13 i...what 10:11:28 beam code... :( 10:12:08 !send wheals beem.is_beam 10:12:09 Sending beem.is_beam to wheals. 10:13:17 <|amethyst> %git aaea518 10:13:18 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-1255-gaaea518: Mindexicide: behaviour_event(). 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 32 files, 109+ 116-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaea51835ffd 10:16:07 // beam code might give an index of MHITYOU for the player. 10:16:16 so i guess this is impossible after that kb commit? 10:18:23 <|amethyst> huh? 10:19:14 trying to figure out #2624 10:19:18 %bug 2624 10:19:18 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2624 10:19:42 the comment is in _mummy_curse in mon-death.cc 10:19:56 i thought that had since been fixed, but maybe not 10:20:10 i know hell effects used to make your allies hostile at least but don't any more 10:20:28 it was fixed by the by commit 10:20:34 but i reproduced it in trunk 10:21:03 <|amethyst> it looks like this mummy code explicitly replaces MHITYOU with NON_MONSTER 10:21:16 <|amethyst> but zot traps etc use NON_MONSTER don't they? 10:22:11 -!- jeffro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:22:22 they use the fake monster thing i think? 10:22:43 enum extra_monster_index_type 10:23:05 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:30 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:24:28 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:05 oh looks like zot traps use MHITNOT 10:25:11 s/zot traps/hell effects/ 10:25:40 ...and that's NON_MONSTER 10:26:15 <|amethyst> huh? 10:26:33 <|amethyst> MiscastEffect(&you, ZOT_TRAP_MISCAST, .... 10:26:48 <|amethyst> ohh 10:27:07 <|amethyst> !source spl-miscast.cc:252 10:27:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-miscast.cc;hb=HEAD#l252 10:27:18 yup 10:29:29 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:30:00 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 10:30:19 so probably it never was fixed 10:31:06 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:44 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:22 |amethyst: it looks like the godabil.cc code that handles the SANITY and ESSENCE sacrifices got dropped in the process of getting the new branch set up. Can I send you a patch to re-add them? 10:44:29 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:49:45 ok, i fixed the bug but i'm not sure whether I introduced more at the same time 10:50:44 brb 10:50:51 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:33 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]] 10:54:53 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:05 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty_ 10:57:42 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:59:55 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:58 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 11:01:02 |amethyst: does this look like it would break any cases? http://pastie.org/9292534 11:01:18