00:00:22 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:55 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:06:30 Oh, would I have to formally request/code changing a line of text? 00:06:56 Not really, what's the suggestion? 00:07:49 Replace "You punish the ___ causing intense pain!!!" with something less awkward, or just another crit message 00:08:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1456-gae1bf65 (34) 00:08:15 It's not even grammatically correct 00:10:01 uh 00:10:04 it is, though? 00:10:20 <|amethyst> you'd usually want a comma 00:10:29 At the very least it's ambiguous what the verb is referring to 00:10:38 Er, the second verb 00:10:42 second verb? 00:10:45 causing? 00:10:47 Causing 00:10:49 Yes 00:11:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you punish the ogre that is causing immense pain 00:11:09 a comma would be fine 00:11:18 <|amethyst> comma is hard to do there technically 00:11:35 can you just do ", causing immense pain"? 00:11:36 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:38 <|amethyst> well, not hard, but would need some special casing 00:11:44 in verb_degree 00:11:44 It's still kind of a dumb sounding line, but even that would help... 00:11:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you punish the ogre , causing immense pain 00:11:56 ah, shit, yeah 00:12:08 <|amethyst> actually 00:12:12 <|amethyst> I guess it wouldn't be that hard 00:12:19 <|amethyst> let's see 00:12:48 -!- johlstei__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:05 Causing intense pain sounds weird because it's not directly referring to anything if that makes any sense 00:14:22 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:35 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:17 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:15:34 <|amethyst> I'm willing to take suggestions. 00:15:47 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:48 <|amethyst> the format is You VERB the noun VERB_DEGREE 00:15:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:24 <|amethyst> I am preemptively vetoing "punish like a slave" 00:16:27 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16:45 "flay" is a good word 00:17:10 flay the ____ mercilessly? Or am I not understanding the format 00:17:16 Or brutally or something 00:17:24 Some adverb like that would probably work 00:17:25 You flay the ogre mercileessly! 00:17:31 well, pretend I didn't mispell that 00:17:37 Yeah sure 00:17:38 You flay your spelling mercilessly! 00:17:41 !!!!! 00:17:46 Ouch! That really hurts... 00:17:49 You die... 00:17:49 Save macros? 00:17:56 ty sequell 00:17:58 Lmao 00:21:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1457-g839c364: Improve grammar (TR_Muscateer) 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=839c364f86fc 00:22:03 <|amethyst> This only adds the comma 00:22:17 Still better! 00:30:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:18 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:59 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:36 -!- eb has quit [] 00:43:07 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:46:10 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:13 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 00:51:03 -!- Morik_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:53:03 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:56:07 .gmap 00:56:13 16. twelwe the Conjurer (L13 DsCj of Vehumet), slain by a water moccasin on Lair:6 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2014-06-12 00:30:16, with 43271 points after 24823 turns and 2:15:18. 00:56:16 oops, sorry 00:56:17 oh hey 00:56:21 twelwe 00:59:08 <|amethyst> um 00:59:35 <|amethyst> why is my kobold att:friendly zapping this rod of clouds when I'm the only one around? 01:00:10 <|amethyst> I mean, not that monsters are likely to have rods anymore 01:00:30 wait 01:00:31 shit 01:00:33 did wheals ruin the minotaur 01:00:37 shit! 01:00:48 quick, revert the branch. revert 01:03:10 <|amethyst> ah, no 01:03:21 <|amethyst> non-friendlies can still pick up items you haven't seen 01:03:26 oh thank god. 01:07:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:13:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:21:28 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:23:40 -!- 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see 01:48:52 -!- evablue_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:54:28 -!- johlstei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:19 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1460-g25b44b8: Don't draw shore around mangroves (#8361) 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25b44b8c3dfb 01:56:22 <|amethyst> zxc232: thanks for bringing it up, I had seen the problem before but forgotten about it 02:08:19 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:16 -!- Spatzist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:13:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:15:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:09 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1460-g25b44b8 (34) 02:18:45 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:04 <|amethyst> :q 02:19:09 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:49 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:21:22 -!- Hamstersaurusmex has quit [Quit: 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reason? i have no idea why you would think that is reasonable, also no idea why you would think it has anything to do with completely unrelated interface consistency issues 04:48:10 MarvinPA_: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 04:48:38 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:52:34 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:47 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:56:11 !tell reaverb and if you actually think displaying "you can drink potions again" as a mummy is not a bug somehow, you should perhaps explain that when resolving the report so that others can understand your logic 04:56:12 MarvinPA_: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 05:07:47 "You can drink potions again. - is what any other adventurer would say if they were in your position. A mummy can dream." 05:14:58 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23:35 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:59 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:39:45 -!- ssrat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:41:55 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:42:40 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:51:33 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:51:35 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: negatendo] 05:55:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:10:48 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:12:54 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:10 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:12 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:18 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:23:54 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:38:19 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:44:28 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:58 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:58 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:50 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:30 -!- DKR has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:14:37 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:45 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 07:15:43 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:18:15 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:22:51 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:33 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:51 -!- johlstei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:41 -!- gnuvince- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:35:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 07:37:52 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:44:30 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46:05 -!- TZer0 has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:05 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:55 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:19 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58:13 1010011010 (L15 KoMo) ERROR in 'describe.cc' at line 2009: Bad item class (Orc:3) 08:04:53 -!- negatendo has quit [Quit: negatendo] 08:07:23 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:27 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 08:10:35 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12:41 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:14:06 <|amethyst> !crashlog 1010011010 08:14:07 1. 1010011010, XL15 KoMo, T:35923 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/1010011010/crash-1010011010-20140612-125811.txt 08:15:34 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:17:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:18:56 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:19:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:30 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:22:33 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:31:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:38:32 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:41:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:45:25 -!- Mad_Wack is now known as Mad_Wack_Away 08:53:22 -!- Mad_Wack_Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:54:54 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:25 1010011010 (L16 KoMo) ASSERT(m_item->defined()) in 'stash.cc' at line 2316 failed. (D:14) 09:07:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:55 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11:57 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:28 does the game_state get serialized? 09:18:08 hm, looks like not the whole thing 09:18:25 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:16 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:24:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:23 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:28:15 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:11 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:19 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 09:32:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:32:45 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Client Quit] 09:35:37 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 09:37:57 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:42:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:14 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:51:07 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52:42 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:17 -!- Lostwonned has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:34 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:59:35 -!- tmass has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:02:14 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:03:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:07:18 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1461-g0f8d024: Make BATTLELUST card use _do_weapon_swap(), remove DUR_BUILDING_RAGE. 10(66 minutes ago, 4 files, 18+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f8d0247443b 10:07:18 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1462-gba3409b: New command: show weapons in viewport. 10(10 minutes ago, 8 files, 27+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba3409b66cc0 10:07:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:07:20 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 10:09:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:11:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:01 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:18:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:46 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1463-g717ba34: Fix whitespace. 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=717ba34dfad8 10:20:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:57 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:23:10 -!- Farcaster has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:52 ghwc (L14 MiFi) ERROR in 'describe.cc' at line 2009: Bad item class (Orc:4) 10:24:03 mm, good use of ^t 10:25:44 <|amethyst> wheals: hm, maybe | and ^t should cancel each other? 10:25:46 i think it was the only ctrl-letter left 10:26:01 so it was a good thing i merged mon-pickup first 10:26:03 <|amethyst> well, there's ctrl-d :) 10:26:11 |amethyst: what's the interaction? 10:26:17 didn't think to check... 10:26:35 i guess probably | just overwrites it? 10:27:03 <|amethyst> wheals: | overrides ^T, but then when you turn off | it says "Returning to normal view." but you're still in show-weapons mode 10:27:24 <|amethyst> wheals: also, | prints a message when it switches the view; maybe ctrl-t should as well 10:27:33 i mostly just copied the stuff for ctrl-v, so i'm not sure why it 10:27:36 it's different 10:27:42 <|amethyst> ah 10:27:59 <|amethyst> ctrl-v is a little different I guess because it also affects the monster list 10:28:16 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:19 oh, true 10:28:23 <|amethyst> ctrl-t and ctrl-v look like they interact usefully though 10:28:37 <|amethyst> not only the monster list, but also weaponless monsters 10:30:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:32:33 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 10:33:13 ontoclasm: have you gotten your dose of thrashing yet 10:33:53 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:33:59 !seen ontoclasm 10:33:59 I last saw ontoclasm at Thu Jun 12 15:18:48 2014 UTC (15m 11s ago) joining the channel. 10:34:40 !send Bloax thrashing horrors 10:34:40 Sending thrashing horrors to Bloax. 10:34:59 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:07 !send wheals https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/thrashing_horror2x.png 10:35:07 Sending https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/thrashing_horror2x.png to wheals. 10:36:14 aw, it's adorable 10:37:45 it's kind of cute in its own twisted way 10:37:49 somehow 10:38:00 this was completely unintentional god damn it 10:38:26 hahaha 10:38:28 success! 10:38:41 also it actually looks like something other than "three flesh-coloured balls" 10:40:44 which was mainly why i leaped at it 10:41:08 also if you pay close attention then the outline is exactly the same 10:41:39 pfft, 'paying close attention' 10:41:54 >even looking at how much hp you have 10:42:00 what are you, afraid of dying? 10:42:17 also i like the idea about making +acc give critical hits 10:44:30 ty 10:45:10 idk if it's actually a good idea, but it's an interesting thought to play around with, at least. 10:45:40 interesting that argonaut says he tried this & it didn't really work out. 10:46:09 that thread seems pretty full of people who have never cast sure blade or something 10:46:17 I've cast sure blade 10:46:27 I was never really sure if it was doing anything 10:46:29 so to speak 10:46:33 who have never paid attention to how much damage they do after casting sure blade, then 10:46:44 it's pretty noticeable 10:46:50 it wasn't for me? 10:46:52 oh 10:46:56 when were you casting it 10:47:00 like, where in the game 10:47:25 <|amethyst> I don't like this train of thought: 10:47:26 <|amethyst> A while ago I made a local patch to try and make acc more interesting and did a bunch of fsims. I tried making accuracy reduce the variance, tried it sometimes giving a critical hit, and one or two other effects that I could think of. Eventually I dropped it because it didn't end up doing anything more than an extra +x damage would have. 10:47:29 at levels ranging from 2 to 27 i guess 10:47:55 <|amethyst> If you're only looking at the last column of fsim, of *course* everything is going to look like +dam 10:48:27 ah. I was casting it in zot/hell, and I remember being unimpressed. but I imagine it might be quite a bit more useful earlier on, when acc is lower... 10:48:39 on d:2 or w/e 10:48:50 which is probably an okay place for a level 2 spell to be useful 10:49:44 yes, falling off in zot/hell is not exactly a problem for a level 2 spell (iirc it's still pretty good late though) 10:50:13 I feel happier about that now. 10:50:19 What did you think about merging weapon plusses? 10:50:26 weapon/slaying 10:52:03 no opinion really, haven't really thought about it much 10:53:03 fair enough 10:53:49 certainly i disagree that +acc is never noticeable, but it might still be the case that it's not sufficiently distinct from +dam (and hard to make distinct in a simple way) 10:56:44 -!- Dragon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:57:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 10:58:16 MarvinPA_: you could do something like ragnarok did 10:58:16 ontoclasm: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:58:27 where "accuracy" raises your -minimum- damage 10:58:39 ontoclasm: yeah, someone suggested that in the thread 10:58:42 (i forget what they called the stat in question) 10:58:46 !messages 10:58:46 (1/3) Bloax said (1d 14h 8m 53s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/stone1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/stone2.png hm 10:58:49 !messages 10:58:50 (1/2) Bloax said (1d 12h 44m 40s ago): https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12652 you might find something of interest in here! 10:58:53 !messages 10:58:53 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1d 11h 7m 30s ago): pls opine on fruit http://i.imgur.com/iqt0jne.png http://i.imgur.com/VxxpS9t.png 10:59:25 fruit_opinions.txt 10:59:26 my concern was that it would be something like gdr (which the poster compared it to) - a small, hidden effect that it's best not to base any decisions on 10:59:33 yes please give fruit opinions 11:02:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140606030206]] 11:02:02 PleasingFungus: the one with the choko looks better imo 11:02:22 this would be good for the inventory-screen; i think fruit on the floor is going to have a randomized appearance 11:03:00 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 11:03:42 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:45 did the old fruit tiles get moved to UNUSED? 11:04:52 Bloax: the thrashing horror looks good but i think it looks a lot darker than the old one 11:05:10 Bloax making a tile too dark?! 11:05:15 which is bad in the abyss especially since it's so hard to see stuff there 11:05:16 impossible 11:05:16 holy shit 11:05:27 also it's not particularly dark 11:05:30 what with all the highlights and skin tones 11:05:44 it has more contrast, yes 11:05:56 still, abyss stuff needs to be crazy visible since the abyss is hard as hell to see in 11:06:18 liches say hi 11:06:22 yeah 11:06:34 liches need to be recoloered big time 11:06:39 -e 11:06:48 also i'm not going to butcher a completely reasonably bright sprite 11:07:05 (because unlike the actually dark things this one is very bright) 11:07:09 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 11:07:26 well, i'll try it out 11:09:02 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:43 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:14:18 -!- Bazzie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14:43 do all items have an item.rnd 11:14:51 or do i have to initialize that somewhere 11:16:05 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: it's set by item_colour 11:16:31 what, really? 11:16:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17:05 <|amethyst> yes 11:17:14 <|amethyst> which should be called on all new items 11:17:40 <|amethyst> so I guess unrands don't get item.rnd 11:17:56 <|amethyst> ("like it says on the tin") 11:17:58 <|amethyst> :P 11:18:08 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:49 well, looks like fruit do, so i should be good 11:19:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:41 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:20:05 fr: randunrands 11:20:15 <|amethyst> wheals: we already have one :) 11:20:27 nine, sort of 11:21:02 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:21:03 stealthunrandart 11:21:19 and unlike complete garbage randarts it's actually funny 11:22:29 <|amethyst> oh, I was thinking of faerie DA, not misfortune 11:22:39 <|amethyst> misfortune will get an item.rnd though 11:23:45 ontoclasm: yeah the old fruit sprites are in UNUSED/food; that's where I stole them from for my questionable collage sprites 11:24:32 mm. choko might need a bit of a touch-up on the right leaf 11:26:42 PleasingFungus: maybe 11:27:09 hm 11:27:22 i'm not sure i can figure out how to make it look different in the inventory 11:27:35 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:47 yeah I was going to say 11:27:52 I didn't know that was a thing we could do 11:27:58 it isn't currently 11:29:00 i'll get it randomized and then try and fix that later 11:29:39 the key thing is the snozz tile is brought back 11:29:46 only then will there be peace 11:29:55 haha 11:30:09 bring the snozz tile back as a monster tile 11:30:12 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:23 <|amethyst> Too bad we decided against food effects 11:31:30 <|amethyst> snozzcumber could give a gust of wind 11:32:34 fr potions of might instead become cans of pinach 11:32:43 spinach, bloax - spinach 11:33:05 <|amethyst> hm 11:33:15 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:33:17 <|amethyst> I might be thinking of frobscottle 11:33:19 <|amethyst> it's been a while 11:33:43 popeye 11:33:47 i'm not going to bother trying to make the eating messages match the tiles 11:33:55 doesn't seem worth it to me 11:34:07 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:34:09 if somebody else wants to, be my guest 11:34:11 wikipedia suggests you are, |amethyst. 11:34:16 the collection of all the world's information! 11:35:03 or wait, is that google 11:35:10 ontoclasm: you could make it an implementable! 11:35:30 edlothiol: well, it's not just that it's hard/tedious, it's that having them not match has benefits 11:35:52 specifically, we can have a ton of funny messages without needing to make a tile for every one 11:36:30 also i just realized our lemon tile looks nothing like a lemon 11:36:35 aside from being nominally yellow 11:36:44 aw 11:38:33 do we have a breadfruit tile 11:38:35 okay, i got it so fruit on the ground is randomized; in the inventory it just always looks like whatever fruit you picked up first 11:38:39 which seems fine to me 11:39:03 until/unless we can get PF's collage tile working 11:39:55 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:41:15 http://i.imgur.com/LzSuZ1D.jpg 11:41:30 bloax make the fruit tile. ship the metal fruit 11:41:35 (also god damn these things are good) 11:41:43 an apple all bristlin' with spikes 11:41:46 Blood Bananas 11:42:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:04 Here: a snozzcumber of distortion. 11:43:48 That snozzcumber tasted absolutely putrid! You are cast into the Abyss! ---more--- 11:44:02 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:11 1/1000 chance of a tloc miscast per fruit eaten 11:44:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=0CH8BGxqgAY that snozzcumber had a very heavy taste 11:44:29 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:48:42 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-1464-gb80c815: Diversify our fruit selection. 10(9 minutes ago, 26 files, 18+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b80c8152ad0c 11:48:44 so i just finished implementing overwriting weapon brands with the 2 spells (temporarily) 11:48:44 how would it be best to indicate the temporariness? 11:48:44 indicate to the player? 11:48:44 <|amethyst> I don't know if that's necessary—we don't indicate it currently 11:48:44 ^ 11:48:44 true 11:48:44 <|amethyst> Maybe it makes sense to show the underlying brand in xv 11:48:44 <|amethyst> err 11:48:44 <|amethyst> not xv, i 11:48:44 yeah, makes sense 11:48:58 <|amethyst> wheals: what happens if you use Wounds on a distortion weapon? 11:49:12 i made sure to case that to give a disto effect :) 11:49:19 except for lucy worshippers, of course 11:49:33 <|amethyst> I wonder if that should have a prompt 11:49:49 yeah, with a prompt 11:50:15 <|amethyst> aborting if you say no? 11:50:21 yes 11:50:33 returns SPRET_ABORT 11:50:34 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:37 hrm, what would I call a mode that generates statistics on items and monsters generated 11:52:43 "thinggen" sounds bad 11:52:55 stuffgen 11:52:57 stuffstats 11:52:58 "stuff" 11:52:59 miscgen 11:53:12 well we have "mapgen" for map stats 11:53:25 does that sound like a good idea to reproduce 11:53:27 "objectgen" 11:53:38 yes it does, that's why I'm reproducing it 11:53:41 objectgen 11:53:44 that's pretty good 11:54:16 i thought you were busy making things make sense and not broken 11:54:24 i guess this doesn't extend to names 11:55:03 I will be busy changing my irc ignore settings pretty soon I think 11:55:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:36 aargh why does weapon_brand_name have to have an item argument instead of a brand one 11:57:20 <|amethyst> wheals: vorpal 11:57:21 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:30 ...right 11:57:40 i guess i will change the weapon back and forth 11:57:56 <|amethyst> wheals: or give it an extra parameter to override the brand 11:58:03 <|amethyst> weapon_brand_name that is 11:58:16 could work 11:58:52 <|amethyst> I assume the spells still don't work on artefacts? 11:58:54 wheals: I think what, you mean there's only one of them? 11:59:00 yeah 11:59:07 er, to |amethyst 11:59:19 often there's two functions with the same name, and one takes an item and the other takes an enum or two 11:59:35 true, but not in this case i think 11:59:40 yeah 11:59:58 <|amethyst> yeah, you couldn't get by with just a brand enumerator 12:00:06 <|amethyst> unless you want to fix vorpal :) 12:00:13 obviously if the main switch is in the one that takes item_def, this doesn't do anything like that 12:00:23 <|amethyst> wheals: also note the special case for vampiric 12:00:34 <|amethyst> wheals: and antimagic 12:00:42 I mean, we could have one that takes the weapon type and brand, no? 12:00:42 weird 12:00:55 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:00 so i guess i should handle those elsewhere too 12:01:12 or is there more to it than that? 12:01:29 |amethyst: what does antimagic need the item_def for or should I just go read it? 12:01:36 <|amethyst> SamB: it doesn't 12:01:54 <|amethyst> SamB: just that weapon_brand_name returns "" for those in non-terse mode 12:02:03 oh 12:02:11 <|amethyst> SamB: which has to do with them being vampiric long swords instead of long swords of vampiricism 12:02:13 evil 12:02:21 I mean, I get why 12:03:35 <|amethyst> wheals: I guess ego_type_string is probably what you want instead of weapon_brand_name? 12:03:44 <|amethyst> wheals: assuming you're using terse == false 12:03:52 is that the one that does the paren stuff or what 12:04:39 <|amethyst> it still also handles both terse and non-terse 12:05:05 <|amethyst> I think it's only used by lua right now 12:05:44 <|amethyst> compared to weapon_brand_name, it handles non-weapons, and also handles non-terse vampiricism and antimagic 12:06:03 yeah, that works 12:06:23 <|amethyst> (the terse description is the one used in parentheses) 12:06:35 <|amethyst> s/description/brand name/ 12:06:45 anyway, good luck with that stuff, gettext fans ... 12:08:38 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:09:22 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:10:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:11:11 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:43 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:07 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:25 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1464-gb80c815 (34) 12:16:43 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:20:53 !tell PleasingFungus The accuracy simplification sounds nice without thinking about it too much (and mostly just reading the GDD thread) 12:20:54 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:21:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:09 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:17 !tell PleasingFungus I think crate is correct about making slaying the same as base damage, but as |amethyst pointed out there are issues; we'd have to cap weapon enchant per weapn type more severely and then deal with slaying bonuses in general 12:22:17 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:23:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think it was PleasingFungus, not me, that pointed out those issues 12:23:52 |amethyst: I meant your comment about the +16 dagger :) 12:24:10 <|amethyst> I was mostly snarking at argonaut there 12:24:18 Perhaps you weren't pointing that out explicitely, but that's kind of a fundamental problem 12:24:37 <|amethyst> That players have problems thinking about more than one number at a time? 12:25:41 well, that a dagger with slaying/enchant can become better than a great sword if slaying/enchant are the same as base damage 12:25:52 <|amethyst> but that's already the case 12:26:10 not at high skill levels and reasonable equipment 12:26:23 as in, not for a typical characters 12:26:25 <|amethyst> reasonable equipment like a +0 great sword? 12:27:00 <|amethyst> anyway, +12 is outside the realm of normal equipment anyway 12:27:02 equipment like armour/shields that don't impede your weapon useage 12:27:11 <|amethyst> s/ anyway// 12:27:54 I'm talking about if they were the same; you could probably get enchant on the dagger and rings of slaying that made the dagger much better than even a well enchanted great sword in that system unless we capped slaying more systematically 12:28:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:48 whereas that's not particularly easy to do now 12:28:57 <|amethyst> well-enchanted great sword? 12:29:28 <|amethyst> I don't see how a +9 dagger would do more damage than a +9 great sword under either system 12:29:44 the concern is that with high amounts of slaying, weapon speed would dominate over weapon base damage 12:29:45 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:29:46 with rings of slaying and the min delay of a dagger being lower 12:29:47 <|amethyst> unless you mean "a +9 dagger and several slots worth of +dam, versus a +9 great sword and no other equipment" 12:29:49 yes 12:30:04 <|amethyst> ah, I see 12:30:07 I think he means "+9 dagger & several slots of +dam, vs +9 gs & several slots of +dam" 12:30:20 <|amethyst> that's already the case though 12:30:28 <|amethyst> you just need twice as much +dam to do it 12:30:29 <|amethyst> no? 12:30:31 sure 12:30:33 hence 12:30:34 somewhat 12:30:40 gammafunk: we'd have to cap weapon enchant per weapn type more severely and then deal with slaying bonuses in general 12:30:43 -!- sbarj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:30:45 sorry that was a quote 12:30:58 yeah I mean I'm just theorizing 12:31:10 I'm not sure anyone's actually disagreeing with anyone here 12:32:03 perhaps the min delay is not that much lower 12:32:07 ??great_sword 12:32:07 great sword[1/2]: A sword with a very long, heavy blade and a long handle. (two-handed Long Blade; Dam 16 Acc -3 Delay 16) 12:32:13 ??dagger 12:32:14 dagger[1/1]: A long knife or a very short sword. (small Short Blade; Dam 4 Acc +6 Delay 10) Notable for getting an initially larger Stabbing bonus than any other weapon. 12:32:58 7/5 is 40% more dagger hits per unit time 12:32:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:33:24 ...hm 12:33:26 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:57 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 12:34:15 what is a "small Short Blade" 12:34:31 Shorter Blade 12:34:33 it's a tiny small short blade 12:34:38 that's very ity-bitty 12:35:03 1learn e dagger[1 s/small/kawaii 12:35:07 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:17 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: probably referring to DAMV_STABBING vs DAMV_SLICING 12:35:32 they were maybe going for "it's small and in the Short Blade weapon family"...or maybe that 12:35:32 -!- Dekker3D has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:58 yeah I figured it was an attempt to distinguish from the short sword. kind of a weird way to put it but w/e 12:36:05 <|amethyst> !learn edit dagger[1] s/small // 12:36:06 dagger[1/1]: A long knife or a very short sword. (Short Blade; Dam 4 Acc +6 Delay 10) Notable for getting an initially larger Stabbing bonus than any other weapon. 12:36:15 daggers are essentially just miniatures of sabres, is the thing 12:36:16 <|amethyst> !learn edit dagger[1] s/$/ Doesn't chop hydra heads./ 12:36:16 dagger[1/1]: A long knife or a very short sword. (Short Blade; Dam 4 Acc +6 Delay 10) Notable for getting an initially larger Stabbing bonus than any other weapon. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 12:36:51 !learn e dagger[1] s/initially larger Stabbing/larger stabbing/ 12:36:52 dagger[1/1]: A long knife or a very short sword. (Short Blade; Dam 4 Acc +6 Delay 10) Notable for getting an larger stabbing bonus than any other weapon. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 12:37:00 !learn e dagger[1] s/an/a/ 12:37:00 <|amethyst> ? 12:37:00 dagger[1/1]: A long knife or a very short sword. (Short Blade; Dam 4 Acc +6 Delay 10) Notable for getting a larger stabbing bonus than any other weapon. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 12:37:12 <|amethyst> at high enough skill dagger is no better 12:37:13 the "bonus" is always bigger, right? 12:37:16 <|amethyst> granted, that's rather high skill 12:37:19 <|amethyst> no, there's a cap 12:37:22 oh 12:37:30 well anyway i wanted to decapitalize the Stabbing 12:37:52 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:05 -!- Taxi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:22 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:30 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:42 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:42 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:40:00 <|amethyst> oh, is that logic still around? 12:40:13 <|amethyst> aha, yes, in attack.cc now 12:40:30 <|amethyst> dagger divides the bonus damage in half, but there's a stepdown afterwards that limits the bonus to 30 anyway 12:41:16 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:40 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:49 -!- rast--- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42:43 -!- rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42:52 -!- rast--- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:17 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:55 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:56 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:45:33 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1465-ge561a66: Allow temporary branding to go over a permanent brand. 10(19 minutes ago, 14 files, 116+ 100-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e561a6638b9c 12:47:19 "go over"? 12:47:52 that's how i think of it in my head i guess?? 12:48:03 i think what it means is fairly clear 12:48:06 I'd have used "overwrite", but this is some high-level pedantry 12:48:07 yeha 12:48:17 oh man, I never noticed warp weapon creates "a temporary warp field". some star trek shit going on here 12:48:19 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49:05 april fools next year: rename slime creatures borg, make their melee turn you into one 12:50:52 You feel titanic! 12:52:10 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52:39 <|amethyst> err 12:52:48 <|amethyst> unwielding a temp-branded weapon crashes 12:53:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:23 -!- mumi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:04 <|amethyst> hm, fixed that, but there's still a problem when a temp-branded weapon is animated by Blade card 13:01:26 <|amethyst> _Your +0,+0 bardiche of flaming seems to bend strangely. You have drawn the Blade. You are already wielding that! Your +0,+0 bardiche of flaming dances into the air! Your +0,+0 bardiche of flaming stops flaming. 13:01:31 <|amethyst> ... 13:01:33 <|amethyst> _Your bardiche of distortion falls from the air. 13:01:40 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:07 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:30 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04:25 what was the bardiche originally? 13:04:31 <|amethyst> flaming 13:04:59 <|amethyst> let me push the fix for the crash 13:06:04 !messages 13:06:04 No messages for TZer0. 13:06:51 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:07:02 ah, so it somehow does get permanently changed after all, weird 13:08:18 whatever fix you make should probably also be tested against a self-cast New Tukima's 13:08:57 <|amethyst> also, if you permabrand something while it's temp-branded, the temp brand expiring will also cancel the permabrand 13:09:21 brands are hard 13:09:24 yeah, i came back to fix the thing you just said 13:15:10 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:10 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 13:15:10 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 13:15:10 <|amethyst> %git 13:15:11 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1466-g62da3a1: Don't crash when unwielding a temp-branded weapon. 10(10 minutes ago, 6 files, 15+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62da3a1b50ac 13:18:27 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 13:19:05 -!- BoltVanderhuge has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:19:13 ok, looks like i fixed the tukima's thing 13:20:07 <|amethyst> btw, maybe one of brand_weapon and _brand_weapon should be renamed :) 13:20:21 ppft 13:20:23 *pfft 13:20:38 _brand_thingy and brand_doodad 13:21:45 <|amethyst> wheals: and I think I have a fix for the ?brand-while-dur-branded thing 13:21:52 as do i 13:22:11 mind if i fix them both? 13:22:34 <|amethyst> go ahead 13:22:39 <|amethyst> my fix for the latter btw 13:22:43 <|amethyst> just 13:22:43 <|amethyst> set_item_ego_type(wpn, OBJ_WEAPONS, new_brand); 13:22:43 <|amethyst> + if (you.duration[DUR_WEAPON_BRAND]) 13:22:43 <|amethyst> + you.props["orig brand"] = new_brand; 13:22:46 <|amethyst> convert2bad(wpn); 13:22:46 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:49 <|amethyst> I imagine you did the same thing 13:23:05 <|amethyst> err 13:23:10 no, i realized that i didn't even check that you selected your wielded weapon 13:23:10 <|amethyst> I guess you can do better than that 13:23:24 <|amethyst> ah 13:23:30 <|amethyst> so you'd just end the brand at that point 13:23:40 <|amethyst> that's better I think 13:23:44 yeah, i called end_weapon_brand 13:23:51 before checking for old_brand 13:25:05 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:25:13 (but only if the weapon to rebrand is your wielded one) 13:26:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:43 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, also, temp-branding blessed blades is weird 13:27:06 oh, i'll add a check for that in is_brandable i guess? 13:27:19 or do we want people to be able to use ?bw on blessed blades 13:27:45 <|amethyst> hm 13:28:01 <|amethyst> actually, it looks like item names for blessed weapons is generally broken right now 13:28:06 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:32 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:28:38 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:53 i have to go; i'll just add a check for is_blessed 13:29:54 <|amethyst> this ISFLAG_BLESSED_WEAPON thing makes all blessed longblades say "Blessed Blade" regardless of type or brand 13:30:08 supposedly that's intentional? 13:30:14 at least is what i heard 13:31:12 <|amethyst> well, ?brand is supposed to remove the blessedness, and it does 13:31:26 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:32 <|amethyst> except you now have a "Blessed Scourge" that is red because it's really a demon whip, not a sacred scourge 13:31:33 personally i'd get rid of the whole blessed blade thing; why should long blades be special-cased? 13:31:49 oh, that's a problem too as well 13:31:55 <|amethyst> it also seems weird that you can't tell what kind of weapon you're wielding from the name 13:32:01 <|amethyst> err, the description 13:32:06 <|amethyst> you have to go into xv and check the stats 13:32:11 <|amethyst> err, i 13:32:22 -!- Daedalus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:32:34 -!- Amnesiac has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:38 -!- Amnesiac has left ##crawl-dev 13:36:20 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-1467-g872d5c4: More fixes for temporary brands. 10(14 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=872d5c48c9ab 13:36:21 i pushed the fixes, afraid i have to be off now 13:36:21 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:21 oh, i guess brand weapon needs to do what god rebranding does then? 13:36:21 i know that rebranding a blessed weapon under kiku works properly at least 13:36:21 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:21 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: yeah, rebranding with an evil god's blessing removes it 13:36:21 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:21 ah yeah it just removes the flag 13:36:21 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: ISFLAG_BLESSED_WEAPON I mean 13:36:21 <|amethyst> I guess convert2bad should do that instead 13:36:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:50 <|amethyst> well, I guess that's irrelevant now 13:37:34 <|amethyst> anyway, must be going for a little while 13:37:36 <|amethyst> later 13:38:51 later (i think that commit actually breaks god rebranding now? i will take a proper look i guess) 13:39:31 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:39:43 -!- forgettingtown is now known as BoltVanderhuge 13:42:09 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:09 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:10 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:42:52 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 13:45:50 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:31 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:47:10 -!- alefury has quit [*.net *.split] 13:47:23 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 13:48:35 Because it looks like I'm actually doing this...is everyone alright with me using Nemelex (in name only) and some of the card mechanics...and monsters sleeping until you come into LoS. For a completely different project? 13:48:57 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:40 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:57:03 <|amethyst> I think if you don't use code or images from DCSS it wouldn't be a problem 13:57:28 <|amethyst> (and most of the older images are public domain, but I wouldn't assume that about newer ones) 13:57:50 <|amethyst> If you did use code or images (or large chunks of text, etc), you'd be bound by the license (GPL for most of the code) 13:58:08 Side note; people aware that the game shown at 29 seconds on this exists? Seems like more blatant ripping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6TJL3pOPZc 13:58:50 <|amethyst> I think those are all from the public domain tileset 13:59:01 <|amethyst> https://code.google.com/p/crawl-tiles/ 13:59:07 <|amethyst> (based on rltiles) 14:00:13 CC-0 are public domain aren't exactly the same; but it's close. 14:00:16 <|amethyst> for newer tiles you could ask the person who contributed them 14:02:01 I think I'm doing public beta (which will be Console-Only). Then Public Demo (first 1/6 of the game or so only; but full art). And final version as a premium. (Maybe) That's what I'm thinking about right now. 14:02:30 <|amethyst> so it sounds like definitely no code 14:02:51 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 14:02:51 -!- vede has quit [*.net *.split] 14:02:53 <|amethyst> as for mechanics, no one has patented anything, so... 14:04:47 game mechanics aren't patentable anyway :) 14:05:02 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:05:31 Concept is basically a Roguelike without magic or ranged weapons. Where a variation on drawing cards from decks completely replaces those elements; with added deck management (shuffling, choosing cards to keep in decks, etc.) Nemelex would be used in title and as the final boss entity (similar deadliness to Ereshkigal). 14:05:48 <|amethyst> And for the name... we don't have a trademark but it would probably be good to talk to dpeg and Haran since I think Nemelex was their idea 14:06:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: http://www.google.com/patents/US5662332 14:06:53 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:07:54 <|amethyst> expires next year 14:08:46 Wait Wizards had trademark on...TCG's in general? ...Is that why pokemon went through them instead of self-publishing? ...Maybe? 14:09:18 <|amethyst> patent 14:09:27 yea patent sorry. 14:09:52 <|amethyst> The "Claims" section says exactly what they have a patent on 14:10:03 <|amethyst> of course one or more of those could be invalidated by a court 14:10:39 -!- gnuvince- has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:11:19 <|amethyst> note that claim 1 requires the game to have tapping 14:11:37 <|amethyst> oddly, claim 2 says "tapping" by name 14:12:25 reaverb: for clarification, no, deleting valid bug reports is not fine 14:13:05 <|amethyst> however, claim 3 does not require tapping (subsidiary claims 4-6 do) 14:13:21 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:13:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:13:30 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: that was my fault 14:13:34 MarvinPA: The problem, of course, is defining valid. 14:13:55 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:52 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:53 -!- rast- is now known as rast 14:15:06 valid would include "really obvious bugs like mummies receiving a message saying that they can now drink potions", for example 14:15:16 but a safe general guideline is "don't delete mantis reports" 14:16:32 Yes I'm going with the safe guideline probably. 14:16:58 I don't even think the original report mentioned the message. I might be misremembering though. 14:17:30 need a group of crawl qa engineers to rule mantis with an iron fist 14:18:20 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:19 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:33 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1468-gae6d435: Fix -Potion messaging for potionless characters (#8676) 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae6d43520af7 14:23:33 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-1469-g3c3d021: Allow gods to rebrand blessed weapons again 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c3d02167e7a 14:24:25 oh right that still doesn't actually work 14:24:59 |amethyst: iirc the one case in which someone attempted to enforce a game patent in court was shot down. (in the early 90s?) I might be out of date, though 14:25:05 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hm, I guess darkgrey for lich makes sense 14:26:08 hmm, does this need a separate OSEL_thingy for divine rebranding? not sure if there's a neat way to do this 14:26:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the guy who invented Khet won a $1.6 million verdict a couple of years ago 14:26:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: in the US 14:27:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:27:52 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'm sure people have learned from the case you mentioned, and made the claims tighter :) 14:28:01 i remember hearing about some mtg patent thing quite recently 14:28:10 that'd do it! 14:28:17 -!- Farcaster has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:28:19 MarvinPA: yeah they're suing guys making some online mtg ripoff 14:28:21 let me find it 14:28:46 "HEX: Shards of Fate" 14:29:26 that one's sort of weird because they're suing on copyright, trademark, and patent grounds at the same time (three separate charges, iirc? not sure if that's the right term) 14:29:31 from what i read about it it really is pretty close to an actual clone? but yeah i have no clue on patent law 14:30:07 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:31:05 fr: trading card minigame (in crawl) 14:31:15 cards drop from monsters. assemble a deck and challenge Boris to a duel 14:31:36 can you find the ultra-rare shiny curse toe? 14:32:05 I didn't know you could patent gameplay now? 14:32:06 if nemelex were a TCG that would actually be pretty amazing 14:32:22 That's not really weird; that's how the U.S. legal system works in general. When you file a suit, you throw at the other party every charge you think you can possibly get to stick, and then if it actually goes to trial you work out what things actually have evidence to support them. 14:32:51 BlastHardcheese: yeah 14:33:02 throw everything at 'em and see what you can get to stick 14:33:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:07 BlastHardcheese: well, you don't want to throw out claims that are *too* out there (or you'll get contempt of court or w/e), but yeah basically. was reading a long post by a lawyer talking about the hex thing and which of the charges were likely to be viable 14:33:29 http://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/understanding-the-wizards-v-hex-lawsuit-in-plain-english/ found it 14:33:29 Pleasingfungus: Hmm, could you link me to that post? Sounds interesting. 14:33:31 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:35 though it would be dumb unless you actually had had a patent application provisionally approved 14:33:43 Oh, nice clarvoyance pleasingfungus 14:33:57 haha 14:34:03 I worship ash irl 14:34:32 tl;dr: "I predict that Wizards will win on its patent claims, it has a good shot at winning on copyright claims, and it will lose on its Lanham Act claims." 14:34:51 yeah, it'd be kind of dumb to throw anything that would be an obvious idiocy to people with any level of legal knowledge whatsoever 14:35:11 so you really CAN patent that? 14:35:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:34 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:36 well, we'll see in a few months to a year! 14:35:39 US IP law is really weird with legacy stuff. 14:37:55 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:00 oh yeah, while people are around - there was a discussion a while back about making flight more tactically interesting 14:38:08 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 14:38:23 as opposed to the current situation, which is "don't fly when there's an airstrike enemy nearby, fly at all times otherwise" 14:39:07 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:24 PleasingFungus: Is there a specific proposal? 14:39:55 The U.S. patent system is a total fuckup these days; it's basically a question of who can afford the best lawyers (more so than the rest of the law). 14:39:57 I was wondering if it'd be reasonable to do something like give non-tengu fliers some penalty, maybe -5 EV - make flight something you turn on when you need it 14:40:10 What I would probably do is somehow make monster airstike not mess with player flying, and then just remove temporary flight. 14:40:26 reaverb: have you played through a nem. game yet? Watching tabstorm play, this one deck business seems not great 14:40:32 there are two decks 14:40:39 oh really? 14:40:48 however the deck of escape is probably too rare 14:40:49 ??nemelex 14:40:49 nemelex xobeh[1/4]: The gambling god. In return for sacrificing anything and everything, you get decks of cards, as well as abilities that let you manipulate the decks in your favor. Nemelex abilities use evocations instead of invocations, and can be used while silenced. 14:40:50