00:00:15 isn't it already 00:00:25 That's the joke. 00:00:37 yeah that's kind of a funny comparison tbh. hm. 00:00:51 (and subtle critic of having 2 level 3 pure Hexes spells cause confusion) 00:00:57 maybe I'll just move it to level 2 00:01:17 worth a shot 00:01:17 PleasingFungus: or 4 00:01:29 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-11-gf908b15 00:01:33 current confusing touch is probably fine at 4, don't know what changes you've bmade. 00:01:53 Heck, current confusing touch might be ok at 9. 00:02:04 but probably not 00:02:06 heh 00:02:18 Sort of if you're a Felid who's maxed all your other skills. 00:02:25 I removed the ability to increase the duration & made it discharge completely whenever it confuses someone. 00:02:27 *important 00:03:09 PleasingFungus: So now you have to reacst it whenever you hit somebody? That doesn't fun. 00:03:11 I think I might also make all attacks with it do 0 damage. 00:03:26 well, when you hit someone, it's done its job 00:03:28 (confuse them) 00:03:29 so 00:03:34 no sense keeping it on 00:03:46 You don't always fight enemies one by one. 00:03:54 sure 00:04:01 Also, what if you're in a corridor with 2 enemies, and you confuse one. 00:04:04 but I think it's okay for a level 2 spell not to confuse multiple enemies with one cast 00:04:38 you might want to confuse and almost kill one, cast confusing touch, and then hit the almost dead one with a spell or somthing. 00:04:38 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:50 Just so you have confusing touch ready to kill the next one. 00:05:27 okay 00:05:45 What does that okay mean? 00:05:59 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:22 I don't see how that scenario is a problem 00:07:12 I think that's a awkward order of actions. 00:07:25 I guess just push it so we can see what happens. 00:07:31 still coding 00:08:19 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:57 -!- FVG has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:09:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1156-gfd0dc40 (34) 00:10:45 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:47 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 00:12:43 I talked to the creator of the book of burglary about putting ctouch in, and he hates the idea 00:12:46 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14.1-11-gf908b15 (34) 00:14:50 PleasingFungus: Who created the book of burglary? 00:14:56 so... I guess it'll be a one-book spell for now 00:14:57 (I'm not a fan of the idea either) 00:15:07 Yes I don't really mind it being one-book btw which book is that. 00:15:27 nrook 00:15:32 it's... hinderance? I think 00:15:46 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:16:31 * reaverb hopes that it isn't actually in any books and nobody will notice. 00:16:43 :D 00:16:51 That's our reaver! 00:16:57 reaverb 00:17:04 w/e 00:17:09 make some secret spells that only appear in randbooks 00:17:17 Ok PleaseFungus 00:17:19 finally, chokostorm will find its home 00:17:19 Dig 00:17:32 Maxwell's Silver Hammer 00:18:05 Eringya's Surprising Bouquet 00:18:11 chunkless is the time to bring it back! 00:18:14 yes, remake eringya's 00:18:32 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1156-gfd0dc40 (34) 00:18:53 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:11 could be funny if it made a plant 00:20:20 I wonder if that'd actually be a good cantrip 00:20:29 like sputterflies 00:20:31 but a plant 00:20:42 PleasingFungus: No it would not and it would also be the exact opposite of funny. 00:20:49 maybe 00:20:50 maybe 00:20:56 Because you would have the wack through the plants after. 00:20:57 plus it's kind of stepping on fedhas' toes 00:21:02 what if it was a temporary plant 00:21:08 or if it exploded 00:21:11 the plant wilts... 00:21:13 that'd be a hell of a surprise 00:22:04 explodes in pollen, clearly. You begin sneezing uncontrollably! 00:22:20 that's just cruel 00:22:28 what did eringya's do anyways 00:22:44 ??eringya's[3 00:22:44 I don't have a page labeled eringya's[3] in my learndb. 00:22:46 ??eringya[3 00:22:47 I don't have a page labeled eringya[3] in my learndb. 00:22:48 w/e 00:22:57 it turned wooden items into herbivore food 00:23:01 oh 00:23:04 godawful spell design 00:23:05 that seems kind of op 00:23:37 that's why it hasn't existed for ages 00:23:41 PleasingFungus: The only spells which are worse designed I can think of are charms. 00:23:50 which charms 00:23:57 all of them. he hates all charms 00:24:00 oh 00:24:02 that's our reaver! *laughtrack* 00:24:04 All of them except DDoor and a few others. 00:24:05 oops reaverb 00:24:07 fuck 00:24:10 actually meant to get that right 00:24:30 There are ones with meaningful drawbacks (Most forms too) 00:24:41 which are just charms except you can't use multiple at once. 00:25:06 -!- eb_ has quit [] 00:25:16 oh, and Song of Slaying for example. 00:25:50 I think we might agree more than I'd thought. it's just that I want to fix things, and you want ot remove them 00:26:38 PleasingFungus: That's makes sense. 00:27:03 But the problem is that as long as there is a Charms school it will have to be filled with Charms. 00:27:20 And I do not think there 15ish excellent Charms spells waiting to be created. 00:27:42 (at the very least it would take a long time) 00:28:09 It'd take a long time, but I think it's worth doing. 00:28:34 The idea of the skald/crusader is a really interesting & fun one, and deserves to be supported. 00:28:34 I think those buffs could be added in differant places than the Charms school. God abilities, for exampel. 00:28:41 Also opprunity cost. 00:29:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:29:19 A character type that is 'relies on buffs' is something that crawl should allow & encourage. 00:30:13 define "buff" 00:30:52 Hmm, Ok but those buffs must have drawback, even just opprtunity ones like "not using other buffs" (Tm) 00:31:33 'Needing to spend large amounts of XP on Charms' is a drawback. 00:31:54 This is why I like DMsl but not RMsl, for example. 00:32:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:30 PleasingFungus: Add XP costs to Crawl. 00:32:35 done 00:32:39 hit 'm' to see where you have spent your xp 00:32:48 To learn stuff like "you passively repeal missiles around you" 00:33:01 Rather than using a spell-like system. 00:33:17 (This is sort of perma-buffs, but even less player fiddling) 00:33:38 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:11 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:23 so, like, spending xp on upgrades? that would be novel at least 00:35:49 nicolae-: Yes. 00:36:00 the good news is that crawl already has a system for spending xp to learn buffs 00:36:01 That's exactly the system I would use. 00:36:03 to activate it, 00:36:17 first, enter the skills menu 00:36:33 PleasingFungus: The bad news is you have to micromanage it insanely. 00:36:44 xp, or charms? 00:36:50 Is there any reason you thik this system would be bad? 00:36:51 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:04 PleaingFungus: Charms, although XP is too micromanaged too. 00:37:19 well, it's a whole new system strapped on top of the existing game, and competing with existing uses for xp (skills). which seems like a mess 00:37:27 I would prefer XP to just prompt on level up or somthing, so you only deal with it occasionaly. 00:37:42 many charms don't work as is, yes. I agree they need to be fixed. but I think that's something worth doing. 00:38:06 I'm really curious about what you're doing with your xp that requires intense micromanagement 00:38:13 also, what you do with your xp after level 27 00:39:47 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:39:53 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:40:17 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:32 PleasingFungus: Hmm, have I left Fire magic. to long? I better press Z* to check if my miscast rates have changed. For the 50th time this level. Wait here's grinder how do I make sure I distbute the XP properly...spend a minute fiddling with the m screen to avoid overtraining something. etc. 00:41:01 It's not something as bad as item destruction or corrosion but it's there. 00:41:18 Oh, and past 27 you would get prompts at the same times Felids gain lives. 00:43:07 the thing is 00:43:11 if you don't micromanage xp to that extent 00:43:14 the game won't penalize you 00:43:19 Z* to check if miscast rates changed? 00:43:20 you can be pretty sloppy with xp and get away just fine 00:43:23 you're punishing yourself, dude 00:43:24 someone need the I key 00:43:58 -!- conted has quit [Client Quit] 00:44:04 'oh no, I went one skill level too far in fire magic. now my spells are too powerful. the game is ruined' - no one, ever 00:44:18 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:44:19 gammafunk: I could use that yeah. 00:44:30 yeah worrying about distributing a single monster's xp is not worth doing generally 00:44:37 PleasingFungus: I've trained skills 5 levels or so past what I've wanted by accident. 00:44:54 you know it gives you a notification whenever your skills level up, right? 00:44:57 it's colorful 00:45:12 Also it's particualarly bad with spells because they miscast rates jump around at arbitary points like Mexican jumping beans. 00:45:30 PleasingFungus: I sort of tune those kind of messages out sometimes I guess. 00:45:40 someone needs to adjust their rcfile 00:45:41 :P 00:45:45 force_more 00:45:48 sometimes they appear while you're mashing tab 00:45:48 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:55 not everyone knows the rcfile even exists 00:45:59 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:24 well in some cases that just means better defaults, for other things we can't help people who don't learn to use the rc file 00:46:43 Lag means that the stopping on messages doesn't really work for me. 00:46:51 do you just mash enter? 00:46:52 Because Crawl stops at arbitary times to. 00:46:53 yes, the defaults should be as good and newbie friendly as can be chosen 00:46:57 because pros will know to edit it anyway 00:47:32 (for example, imo the default rc should have force_mores for distortion and electrocution and a few other things like that) 00:48:00 well, electrocution isn't that big a deal past the early game, usually 00:48:05 but distortion at least, yes 00:48:14 yeah getting into the habit of mashing space bar to ignore force_more is not a good thing 00:48:30 FR: force_mores that are xl dependent 00:48:38 I need to make some of those myself 00:48:58 it's not hard to do, but to make some in the default would be...well at least contraversial 00:49:10 since that's all kind of special casing 00:49:12 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:49:15 PleasingFungus: Why did you move Shield of resistance to +4 but Gong to +13? 00:49:32 It wouldn't have been overpowered even if it stayed at +27 probably. 00:49:35 gong nerf 00:49:42 it... probably would have been 00:49:44 +27 sh is quite a lot 00:49:44 (because gong was so OP) 00:49:56 Patashu: You can do lua. 00:50:14 shield of resistance should probably have gone down more but I don't feel strongly about it one way or another. might tweak it when I tweak shield enchants a little more in a moment. 00:50:17 It occurse to me Qazlal is very Gong-like, making noise and giving SH 00:50:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1157-g7a813ab: Rework Confusing Touch 10(60 minutes ago, 5 files, 13+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a813ab0ddbd 00:50:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50:39 Yeah. 00:50:43 grunt literally referred to qaz as "the GONGGG conduct" in dev 00:50:47 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50:54 so wait 00:51:01 cantrips now has a spell that's actually useless like the name implies in it 00:51:09 spammals, yes 00:51:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:18 -!- Limulus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:51:27 spammals useless? 00:51:32 yes? 00:51:35 it's no sputterflies 00:51:48 someone doesn't know how to summon 00:51:50 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:52 it's me 00:51:59 you are the summon master. teach me your wisdom 00:52:07 step one 1) cast spammals 00:52:19 step two 2) hit dudes while the spammalls hit dudes 00:52:25 How useful is spammal once you get to the Lair? 00:52:32 not very 00:52:42 you're using canine familiar at best 00:52:43 hence: cantrip problems 00:52:53 it works fine as a starting spell 00:52:54 yeah I mean it's a book of low-level spells 00:52:58 I just objected to useless 00:53:00 haha 00:53:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:10 it almost turned me into the HULK 00:53:19 dang! 00:53:27 I wouldn't like you when you're angry about summoning? 00:53:57 -!- FVG has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:54:33 hulk spell 00:54:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:55:38 nicoale-: You mean Berserker Rage? 00:56:09 bring back crusader, but only for characters named "bruce" 00:58:37 -!- home_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:09 -!- home__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:07:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:09:33 dang, spammals is good 01:11:41 -!- Davens has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:12:15 gammafunk: Did you ever do the math on chunkless, or will that take longer? 01:12:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140524030204]] 01:12:29 or and I even asking way too early :D 01:13:38 reaverb: yeah, I'm just doing some play testing to see if/when I starve first, but don't let me hold things up 01:13:45 are you planning to experimental branch this? 01:13:47 gammafunk: How far are you? 01:13:54 shoals when I saved 01:14:02 gammafunk: I would like to make an experimental but I need a server operator :D 01:14:21 and I don't want to badger |amethyst or johnstein about it. 01:14:24 yeah |amethyst should have time in the next day or two (unless he doesn't) 01:14:42 probably this weekend I'd guess 01:14:45 Yes we need a bettter experimental system etc. etc. 01:15:06 well we do, but giving everyone that level of unix admin rights is dangerous 01:15:16 I can set it up, but I'm sure he would prefer that only he gets root 01:15:59 gammafunk: I'm not sure where you got the admin rights thing from. I would just want to make experimentals code instead of data. 01:16:21 hrms? 01:16:27 Err, data instead of code. 01:16:30 sorry, don't follow you 01:16:58 Just having a "which branch should I make an experimental out of?" text box on the rebuild panel. 01:17:20 oh well sure that would be nice, but the thing is it requires infrastructure change that is not trivial 01:17:25 which I could type "chunkless" in a poof it's online. I guess you could direct it to download malicious code. 01:17:26 doable, but not trivial 01:17:30 gammafunk: Yes. 01:18:02 particularlly you'd likely need to do some work on webserver, and I'm not even sure about dgl 01:19:07 and in this ideal world we wouldn't need to restart sequell or reconfigure it to see those games either 01:19:29 -!- home_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:21:32 At this point of sort of tempted to just rewrite history on the new_nemelex branch to make it chunkless. 01:21:41 And then just rebuild it. :D 01:23:05 -!- home__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:23:35 I think there's no huge rush really 01:23:40 we just landed two big changes 01:23:45 the dust is settling a bit 01:24:01 What, I call that "building momentum" 01:26:32 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:50 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:33:15 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:35:38 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:36:07 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:07 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37:50 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:37:50 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:41:19 03infiniplex02 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1158-ge549de3: Updated all layouts to use new layout type system 10(8 hours ago, 8 files, 107+ 68-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e549de3824fd 01:41:19 03infiniplex02 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1159-g3bf3c23: Gave some layouts more descriptive names 10(7 hours ago, 4 files, 33+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bf3c23cdc6b 01:46:33 chunkless bonus: don't have to worry about wasting food with animate dead 01:46:51 gammafunk: Is that good or bad? :D 01:46:56 it's real nice 01:47:09 Might be good to look at removing corpse sarcraficies too once chunkless hits. 01:47:33 gammafunk: What kind of nice? Nice as a player, nice as a developer, or nice as both? 01:48:25 I guess you're asking me if animate dead is good from a development standpoint 01:48:47 to which I'd say: Z Z Z Z Z Z 01:48:55 If the change is good from a devleopment stand point. 01:49:00 unknown monster: "large_zombie" 01:49:00 %??large_zombie 01:49:05 adder zombie (07Z) | Spd: 4-28 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-52 | AC/EV: 0/6 | Dam: 4 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(2), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 01:49:05 %??zombie 01:49:29 I'm afraid I still don't get it. What do the Zs mean? 01:49:45 see the adder zombie glyph 01:50:00 It's my way of saying: it's nice to not have to make that decision as a player 01:50:13 -!- bones__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:31 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:35 I mean who kows, I could still starve 01:52:56 gammafunk: Hmm, so do you find your food dwindling, increasing or staying stable? Have you made any other decisions differantly? 01:53:05 well it's been weird 01:53:12 I've been spamming channel even more 01:53:21 my spells have just not had high spell hunger 01:53:26 only summon forest 01:53:30 and it's already low hunger 01:53:45 15 gread, 5 pizza, 6 jerky 01:53:56 I should be ok, but I'll need to keep finding food when I get to higher level 01:54:03 (That food is more than you entred the dungeon with :D) 01:54:16 sure but as a channeling mage 01:54:17 Those "big food levels" become more common as you go downward so. 01:54:25 you kind of use that up fast 01:54:36 what happens in trunk: I have maybe more food than that now 01:54:38 and I'm eating corpses 01:54:43 and then I use that permafood up later 01:54:49 before getting say necromut 01:54:53 since I'd be 15-runing with this 01:55:25 Is it more fun? 01:55:31 Besides the Animate dead change. 01:55:39 oh it's more fun not hitting c 24/7 yes 01:55:44 c and e 01:56:26 (On a slightly differant note, would it be bad if I just made Iron Devils and Toenail Golems Spd: 10 now. It does not seem very objectable) 01:56:33 gammafunk: Good. 01:56:49 yeah I think that's pretty sensible; you will never bee allowed to remove toenail golems :) 01:57:05 is the pun on purpose? 01:57:09 iron devils ...hrm well I'd be curious to hear what people say 01:57:15 oh no, haha 01:57:28 iron devil (104) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 28-59 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 324 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:57:28 %??iron devil 01:57:30 it's just a joke monster much loved by dev team in general 01:57:36 unknown monster: "orange devil" 01:57:36 %??orange devil 01:57:41 orange demon (044) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 36-67 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 1005(reach)04(poison, weakness), 8 | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 417 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:57:41 %??orange demon 01:57:43 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:58:08 Basil: I'm making so many Z on chunkless 01:58:13 Does that early iron devil vault still exist? 01:58:21 your plant god can get mulched for all I care! 01:58:52 Basil: Better too dangerous than slow, but I'lll check. 01:59:10 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 01:59:13 That's about the only thing that might need addressing I think 01:59:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:00:40 Basil: So what do you think about removing a bunch of slow melee-only monsters? 02:00:49 Worms, slugs, elephant slugs, iron trolls, iron imps, iron golems, probably goliath beetles and possibly oozes. 02:01:20 Basil: D:8- count as early? 02:01:58 I don't really care outside of maybe iron trolls 02:02:17 Basil: Care for or against? 02:02:22 hmm, I probably don't care about iron trolls either 02:02:24 D:3-11 is one altar. 02:02:58 Yes, that is pretty early for a speed-10 02:03:00 iron devil (104) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 28-59 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 324 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 02:03:00 %??iron devil 02:03:06 Oh wait, it uses lua to not spawn iron devils early. 02:03:15 if�you.absdepth()�<�9 02:03:26 lua nonsense which make sure that doesn't happen. 02:03:45 Oh, err, that's the smoke demon. 02:03:47 Hmm. 02:07:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:04 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:11:11 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:15 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:12:00 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:12:00 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:35 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17:30 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1159-g3bf3c23 (34) 02:25:38 Ok, I cannot believe I missed this but: Apparently layout types are used for vaults, and infiniplex's patch didn't update those. 02:26:50 Hmm, I don't know whether to revert immediatley or try to make an update patch. 02:27:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:28:32 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:59 Hmm, not many names actually changed, I think I'll fix it. 02:31:36 Might as well push my fixed up work on speeding iron devils and toenail golems. 02:31:37 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:32:04 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1160-gd6509c6: Make Iron devils and Toenail Golems speed 10 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6509c67db21 02:32:04 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1161-gb17653d: Edit a vault which could spawn early iron devils (Basil) 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b17653da550c 02:32:27 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:33:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:22 -!- enigmoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:45:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:47:46 -!- zardo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:51:46 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:21 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56:06 -!- CSDCMS has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:56:18 -!- Blomdor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56:33 -!- Oneiromancer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56:38 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56:55 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:57:39 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:57:51 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 02:57:57 -!- somebody has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:57:59 -!- ccasin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:59:25 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:59:38 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:26 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:23 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:54 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:12 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:15 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 03:05:15 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:07:37 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1162-g989babb: Update vault tags for new layout classification system: 10(33 minutes ago, 11 files, 28+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=989babb9030d 03:09:17 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:10:34 -!- Adeon has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 03:10:46 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:23 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:10 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Client Quit] 03:14:47 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:47 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:18:55 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:19:03 -!- morik has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:41 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:23:11 wait, worms are up for removal now? 03:23:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:36 I thought the point of them was to teach newbies that you can run away from enemies if you get in trouble 03:26:32 -!- RZX has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:09 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1163-g7ed7091: Fix Vault documentation for reverting to the layout_caves name 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ed7091d7c52 03:45:47 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48:08 let's face it 03:48:14 worms aren't a good enemy 03:48:14 slugs are also not a good enemy 03:49:18 Patashu_: Is this purposely referancing the earlier discussion on slow melee monsters? 03:49:27 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:49:31 Since I just sent crd email propsing to remove those mosnters and more. 03:49:32 responding to lightli 03:49:37 ??crd 03:49:38 c-r-d[1/2]: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.games.roguelike.crawl.devel 03:49:51 Oh, Didn't even see his messages. :D 03:50:07 -!- morik has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:05 Yes as mentioned the teaching monster thing can be modified. I would recommend a unique melee range statue in the early game. 03:51:09 Maybe giving no XP. 03:52:34 at this rate that worm ending in lair is going to have nothing left but the brain worms and fire dragons 03:52:44 *fire dragon 03:52:47 That is not an undesirable thing. 03:52:56 no 03:52:56 Also it might be good to randomize that dragon. 03:53:06 to fire or ice 03:53:10 or maybe posion. 03:53:23 fire and ice sounds good 03:53:51 ice dragon (16D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 17, 17, 1707(trample) | cold-blooded, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(48), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 986 | Sp: b.cold (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 03:53:51 %??ice dragon 03:53:54 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 03:53:54 %??fire dragon 03:54:29 Wait Ice dragons have lower MR than fire? 03:54:44 swamp dragon (07D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 51-84 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 20, 11, 1107(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(36), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 699 | Sp: poisonous cloud (3d7) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 03:54:44 %??swamp dragon 03:56:32 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:18 swamp dragon is a considerably smaller threat 03:57:34 could have multiple I guess 03:58:13 Just Ice dragon seems fine. 03:58:27 hrm 03:58:30 I think the problem 03:58:33 is the use of trees in that vault 03:58:46 So? 03:58:51 it was intended that they burn 03:59:00 and they don't now? 03:59:01 any other fire breathers in that vault? 03:59:10 not for an ice dragon they don't 03:59:12 Nope, but it's been editted before. 03:59:58 Wow that's some.... odd substitution. 03:59:59 yeah there are fire drakes 04:00:11 Not in wormcave 04:00:21 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:00:33 oh thought you meant yeah 04:00:34 er 04:00:35 guppyfry_lair_end_dragon 04:00:39 Hmm, multiple Lair ends ys. 04:00:40 but yeah you mean the loot one 04:00:48 that's fine for that one; it's just a gold room 04:01:17 but for guppfry ice dragon wouldn't be very ideal 04:01:29 since the ice dragon would be cold vuln and very vuln to forest fires 04:01:48 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02:49 put a fire dragon / shadow dragon / bone dragon / storm dragon in guppfry 04:02:52 players will love it 04:05:00 bone dragon lair ending 04:05:03 please no 04:05:14 too late 04:05:21 one commited, we can't undo it 04:06:36 well 04:06:39 at least I can run away 04:07:15 Well we also added manticores. 04:07:19 And treants. 04:08:16 ??treant 04:08:17 shambling mangrove[1/1]: Slow moving but strong plants. They have a 20% chance of containing a band of yellow or red wasps or ravens (they don't count as summons), which will only be released after the shambling mangrove has taken enough damage. They can also use entangling {roots}. 04:08:36 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1164-g58571b5: Randomize the dragon in the wormcave Lair end 10(70 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=58571b5d5a55 04:08:38 ??roots 04:08:38 roots[1/1]: status caused by shambling mangroves which cancels flying, reduces EV, slows your movement speed (but not action speed) 04:08:38 oh, so I can't run from the bone dragon 04:08:47 Yes, that's the joke. 04:12:05 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:12:42 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:10 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:20 -!- rast- is now known as rast 04:26:00 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 04:32:24 -!- gal_bolle has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:31 I think your trove item algorithm is a bit wonky 04:32:37 it just asked my VS for HW pots 04:32:51 Saptzist_: Yes it's not suppose to do that. 04:33:08 I'm in 14.1 though 04:33:15 so maybe I'm just missing some patches 04:33:28 Oh well yes if it's stable please lead with that. 04:34:11 Since Basically nobody around here focuses on stable. 04:34:15 outside the tourney. 04:34:26 (The VS thing might still happen, I don't know) 04:43:42 isn't this a bug? The cherub shoots a poisoned sling bullet. _The poisoned sling bullet hits you! 04:43:48 why would a good god worshipper be allowed to use poisonous weapons 04:44:29 Patashu_: Hmm, arguably. 04:44:47 But cherub might not been TSO, which I think is the only god which cares. 04:44:53 cherub (12A) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 62-93 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 15, 8 | 08holy, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(96), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 743 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 04:44:53 %??cherub 04:46:08 ely doesn't care? 04:46:43 oh, ely is fine with poison, interesting 04:47:49 Zin is too I think. 04:48:06